Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
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Great, every week I watch it I get see Ferguson and Kidd on the pitch in 1993 during the opening credits. Tossers.
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& Delph in a villa kit. Odd.
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Great, every week I watch it I get see Ferguson and Kidd on the pitch in 1993 during the opening credits. Tossers.
I'm sick to death of seeing that on Sky on that crappy advert with Henry.
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Not having Sky, at least i'm spared that.
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Not having Sky, at least i'm spared that.
I saw it on Channel 5 earlier, whilst I was watching their coverage of the Football League. Speaking of which...WTF!
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If Villa win the Double this year ( place your bets now ! )
The opening credits next year would be that scrote john terry blowing snot or scratching his marley bag.
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If Villa win the Double this year ( place your bets now ! )
The opening credits next year would be that scrote john terry blowing snot or scratching his marley bag.
More likely slipping on a Villa shirt to try to "help" with the trophy presentations.
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Would this game have been last but one if Bournemouth had won?
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Did anyone see the fan go arse over tit during the Gestedt goal celebrations?
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Got to say Tim impresses me more and more
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Did anyone see the fan go arse over tit during the Gestedt goal celebrations?
Yes bloke poll axed on deck
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Got to say Tim impresses me more and more
I said similar on another thread. We knew he had charisma but his work ethic and intelligence is in excess of anything I had anticipated.
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Fergie with his Brian Clough face.
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Work ethic like earning £100k per week and keeping them in until 3pm work ethic?
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So what did the panel say about us tonight?
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Great, every week I watch it I get see Ferguson and Kidd on the pitch in 1993 during the opening credits. Tossers.
I'm sick to death of seeing that on Sky on that crappy advert with Henry.
Me too.
I've been driving my mrs mad with that. Every time it is on, I have to launch an outburst in the direction of the telly.
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Pretty sure that's of note because most clubs (especially at PL level) don't run morning AND afternoon sessions. It's still ridiculous, but it is what it is.
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Would this game have been last but one if Bournemouth had won?
No. A team that's never been in the top-flight beating a team that pretty much always has been, and indeed was the founder of the league system, in its first ever game in the top-flight in front of a CAPACITY 11.5k crowd would have been more of a story. What's the problem with that?
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Thought they were pretty on the ball with the game.
First half was Bournemouth, we clawed back into it.
Gestede had a great impact and Richards was very impressive throughout.
TS interview with Lineker was spot on, seems pundits are taking a liking to us, due to Tims likeability.
Was great that he actually see's what us fans see, his tactics although did not work initially, we much improved the second half, with great use of subs.
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If anyone can post the BBC highlights it would be appreciated
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Thought they were pretty on the ball with the game.
First half was Bournemouth, we clawed back into it.
Gestede had a great impact and Richards was very impressive throughout.
TS interview with Lineker was spot on, seems pundits are taking a liking to us, due to Tims likeability.
Was great that he actually see's what us fans see, his tactics although did not work initially, we much improved the second half, with great use of subs.
The subs were spot on today. A minor wrong from last season sorted that no subs scored for us last season.
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Would this game have been last but one if Bournemouth had won?
Oh god this thread is going to be full of conspiracies isn't it?
There were two games yday which involved only one goal. They were last and penultimate last night. That's generally the way it works. There's an easy way for villa to get earlier in the running order and that's be more exciting
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Jose Mourinho is a twat. He makes himself look more of a ****** as each interview passes.
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Pretty sure that's of note because most clubs (especially at PL level) don't run morning AND afternoon sessions. It's still ridiculous, but it is what it is.
There was a really good article about the techniques that Swansea use in the guardian a couple of weeks back. They run a morning and afternoon session for their players and provide them with a "pod" to sleep/rest in in between!
It's hard to believe that they didn't even their own training ground until very recently and trained at a local sports centre.
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Talking of adverts, the BT Sport advert irritates me, the playboy type lifestyle of footballers one.
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Tim impresses me more and more also. Before anybody mentions it, yes we know it is PR and he is very aware of his career needs to project a good image but he is very good at PR and it really is good for the club. At Forest some little Forest fans kids wanted a photgraph with him and he let them come on the touchline to be photraphed by their moms and dads. He laughed and said "be quick, I have to watch the game". Refreshingly charming and fan aware.
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Man Utd on last. Has that happened before?
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Talking of adverts, the BT Sport advert irritates me, the playboy type lifestyle of footballers one.
Me as well Liz and while we are at it I watched the new Channel Five coverage of yesterdays
Football League games.The whole show was dreadful.The BBC did it so much better.
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Tim last season was very much heart on sleeve, I thought his interview on motd , he was more measured, and yes his subs worked, nice to see.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
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Bianca Westwood on Sky is okay.
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So what did the panel say about us tonight?
They picked out Micah Richards and showed examples of his excellent positioning and tackles.
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I hope you've got a sufficiently deep cave you can retreat back into CBBB. I think you might be needing it.
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Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Somehow Jamie Rednapp got through the net.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Or - 3) not look like a horse?
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Agreed, you know some twat will say were sexiest, but its not if their any good wouldn't mind.
on talkshite, with micky Quinn that woman knows FA, she either states the obvious or makes no sense at all.
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Man Utd on last. Has that happened before?
Not sure , but they almost went as far as apologizing for putting them on last .
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I was about to say, I think Kelly Cates is pretty good. Or at least she always seemed to know her stuff on 606, but then again thats easy when your co-presenter is Ian Wright
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Not a MOTD moment but Owen surpassed himself yesterday by his "Alderweireld was a regular at Tottenham last season now let's see if he can transfer that form to Spurs" comment!
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I don't rate Bianca Westwood on Sky Soccer Saturday or Georgie Bingham on TalkSport but Kelly Cates was good on 606 and pretty much all of the SSN female presenters are very good.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
You're not Donald Trump are you? ::)
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL.
Presumably the stupid woman who only knows Man Utd et cetera is Blackburn Rovers fan Kelly Cates?
Still, that's women for you.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Agreed, you know some twat will say were sexiest, but its not if their any good wouldn't mind.
on talkshite, with micky Quinn that woman knows FA, she either states the obvious or makes no sense at all.
Whereas Micky Quinn talks a lot of sense
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Agreed, you know some twat will say were sexiest, but its not if their any good wouldn't mind.
on talkshite, with micky Quinn that woman knows FA, she either states the obvious or makes no sense at all.
Whereas Micky Quinn talks a lot of sense
You stole my thunder. Tony, you've probably picked the worst example possible there to make your point.
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Fully expecting Lineker to parade in full D'Artagnan regalia any week now.
Or Dogtanian more like.
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Agreed, you know some twat will say were sexiest....
Don't worry, Tony, I would never say that you're the sexiest.
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There's a guardian writer who often appears on their podcast. She is very good and certainly knowledgeable (if slightly biased to arsenal).
Amy Lawrence possibly?
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Bianca Westwood is pretty tasty without any kit on
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There's a guardian writer who often appears on their podcast. She is very good and certainly knowledgeable (if slightly biased to arsenal).
Amy Lawrence possibly?
Her or Louise Taylor. Both pretty good, aside from the time one of the two tipped Jozy Altidore to be Sunderland's best player.
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Great, every week I watch it I get see Ferguson and Kidd on the pitch in 1993 during the opening credits. Tossers.
I'm sick to death of seeing that on Sky on that crappy advert with Henry.
I quite like Thierry Henry so don't mind that advert, except for the bit when Martin Tyler screams "Aguerrrro!!". That makes me shout at the TV every time. Pillock.
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Bianca Westwood is pretty tasty without any kit on
Any evidence? Or on Kate Abdo?
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There's a guardian writer who often appears on their podcast. She is very good and certainly knowledgeable (if slightly biased to arsenal).
Amy Lawrence possibly?
Her or Louise Taylor. Both pretty good, aside from the time one of the two tipped Jozy Altidore to be Sunderland's best player.
Amy Lawrence is one of the best football journalists out there.
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Bianca Westwood is pretty tasty without any kit on
Links?!
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Agreed, you know some twat will say were sexiest....
Don't worry, Tony, I would never say that you're the sexiest.
What's wrong with being sexy?
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I think we need to get off this topic of discussing female presenters obvious quality and get on with celebrating Michael Owen's insightful, astute and deeply intellectual punditry.
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I think we need to get off this topic of discussing female presenters obvious quality and get on with celebrating Michael Owen's insightful, astute and deeply intellectual punditry.
He's a pretty energising and enthusiastic tour guide too:
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There's lots of pictures of Bianca in varying stages of undress, lovely figure.
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Agreed, you know some twat will say were sexiest....
Don't worry, Tony, I would never say that you're the sexiest.
What's wrong with being sexy?
Nothing, I can appreciate hot, male or female. It's wrong to judge someone just on their posts*, but I don't think that Tone would press my buttons.
*it isn't
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I thought the Football League show was bad, but it wasn't as shit as that Channel 5 abomination I watched last night.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Wow.
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I thought the Football League show was bad, but it wasn't as shit as that Channel 5 abomination I watched last night.
I agree.
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I thought the Football League show was bad, but it wasn't as shit as that Channel 5 abomination I watched last night.
I agree.
As i said earlier. The whole thing was totally unprofessional and in the main unwatchable l I lasted about 40mins before switching off. Tripe!
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Kelly Cates (who others have mentioned)
Jaquie Oatley
Alison Mitchell
Gabby Logan
Clare Balding
To name just five off the top of my head, might want to join us in the 21st century pal.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Kelly Cates (who others have mentioned)
Jaquie Oatley
Alison Mitchell
Gabby Logan
Clare Balding
To name just five off the top of my head, might want to join us in the 21st century pal.
Early runner for most ignorant post of the season there, after all what could the daughter of Kenny Dalglish possibly know about football? I seem to recall you telling us all we were deluded if we thought Villa could beat the might of Liverpool at Wembley.
The highlights programme is abysmal but it has nothing to do with the presenters.
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Rebecca Lowe who does NBC sports coverage of the PL is excellent. She was on Setanta before I think.
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Jonathon Pearce, Danny Mills, Robbie Savage, most of the talksport lot but especially Mickey Quinn, Mark Lawrenson, Alan Green, two of the blokes that do BBC Breakfast bulletins, Michael Owen, Niall Quinn, Ian Wright, John Motson, Clive Tyldesley, Andy Townsend, Peter Drury, Phil Neville, Martin Keown, Chris Waddle and Mark Bright are all off the top of my head abysmal male presenters/summarisers/commentators and that's without any comment on what any of them look like.
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Rebecca Lowe who does NBC sports coverage of the PL is excellent. She was on Setanta before I think.
She was. Remember her from the McGregor statue unveiling.
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Back on MOTD for a moment. Tim should get a slightly easier time from Shearer as an ex-teammate.
Not that will count for much as he is clueless as a pundit, i.e. offers little or no insight and is barely able to express himself.
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Kelly Cates is great.
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Kelly Cates is great.
She is. I also think Shearer has improved massively in the last year or so.
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I thought the Football League show was bad, but it wasn't as shit as that Channel 5 abomination I watched last night.
I agree.
As i said earlier. The whole thing was totally unprofessional and in the main unwatchable l I lasted about 40mins before switching off. Tripe!
My brother in law supports a recently relegated Championship team and was suicidal this morning that getting relegated has coincided with the dreadful taking over by C5 of the highlights rights. I didn't see it, but he said it was phenomenally bad, bad enough to make you miss Steve Claridge.
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Although Bianca does have a bad side.
Bianca Westwood | Twitter
Twitter › beewestwood
2 hours ago
Well whaddaya know??!! Day made #COYI
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I thought the Football League show was bad, but it wasn't as shit as that Channel 5 abomination I watched last night.
I agree.
As i said earlier. The whole thing was totally unprofessional and in the main unwatchable l I lasted about 40mins before switching off. Tripe!
My brother in law supports a recently relegated Championship team and was suicidal this morning that getting relegated has coincided with the dreadful taking over by C5 of the highlights rights. I didn't see it, but he said it was phenomenally bad, bad enough to make you miss Steve Claridge.
I watched far more of the Football League show last season than MOTD (for reasons I don't need to explain on this board), and generally enjoyed it.
Simple, stripped down, a bit of brief chat and tons of football. The only thing that was poor was when they sent that over chummy tosspot 'Clem' anywhere
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The format of the programme was appalling, no need for the live audience and I didn't understand why they said the result or winners of most of the matches before showing incredibly brief highlights.
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Although Bianca does have a bad side.
Bianca Westwood | Twitter
Twitter › beewestwood
2 hours ago
Well whaddaya know??!! Day made #COYI
At least she isn't a plastic Manc or some such. Not everyone can support Villa.
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I thought the Football League show was bad, but it wasn't as shit as that Channel 5 abomination I watched last night.
I agree.
As i said earlier. The whole thing was totally unprofessional and in the main unwatchable l I lasted about 40mins before switching off. Tripe!
My brother in law supports a recently relegated Championship team and was suicidal this morning that getting relegated has coincided with the dreadful taking over by C5 of the highlights rights. I didn't see it, but he said it was phenomenally bad, bad enough to make you miss Steve Claridge.
I watched far more of the Football League show last season than MOTD (for reasons I don't need to explain on this board), and generally enjoyed it.
Simple, stripped down, a bit of brief chat and tons of football. The only thing that was poor was when they sent that over chummy tosspot 'Clem' anywhere
I agree.
One thing I liked about it was that it seemed to go on for AGES.
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I used to really like the football league show - watch it on the iplayer sunday morning, long enough to ease you through the worst of a hangover, no time for messing about, just goals goals goals
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Maniche always wore such crisply ironed shirts too.
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Maniche always wore such crisply ironed shirts too.
My Mam who is in her 70' s is a big fan of Maniche. She thinks he is a fine looking man. I'm both suprised and delighted I'm not having to watch the football lg show this season. Thanks Tim.
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I work quite a lot with the lad who was 'Clem's' cameraman. It earned him a good chunk of his annual income and he was still glad when the BBC lost the contract.
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His name is Manish. A very good presenter in my opinion.
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Maniche always wore such crisply ironed shirts too.
My Mam who is in her 70' s is a big fan of Maniche. She thinks he is a fine looking man. I'm both suprised and delighted I'm not having to watch the football lg show this season. Thanks Tim.
Is it the Portuguese player from 10-15 years ago?
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I look forward to Manish. 8)
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Or maybe he's a Mannish Boy.
(Probably sails straight over the heads of anyone under 45-50.)
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I work quite a lot with the lad who was 'Clem's' cameraman. It earned him a good chunk of his annual income and he was still glad when the BBC lost the contract.
I met him briefly a couple of years ago and got the impression he rather fancies himself. 'Clem' that is, not your mate.
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It must be really tiresome, having a 'big personality' and having to live up to it everywhere you go. Look at Jimmy Savile.
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Kelly Cates is great.
She is. I also think Shearer has improved massively in the last year or so.
I would have to disagree on Shearer - I find him completely wooden and incapable of offering insight. They have started to add some graphics to his 'analysis' (to mimic Sky) so he can identify what space on a pitch looks like. He still trots out the same clichés as the like of Gobby Cabbage.
The better pundits - and there are not many - are able to take it back a step or two and identify how intelligent movement moves players out of position to create that space. Danny Murphy is one of the better ones that is a regular on the BBC.
When there is an international tournament the former (foreign) players are typical more interesting to listen to and usually more eloquent.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Kelly Cates (who others have mentioned)
Jaquie Oatley
Alison Mitchell
Gabby Logan
Clare Balding
To name just five off the top of my head, might want to join us in the 21st century pal.
Kelly Cates is awful (I'm thinking she's the one who did the horrendously-embarrassing-to-listen-to-606 on a Sunday - is that right?). I'll give you the others, just went off on a rant without properly thinking about it.
By 21st century you mean accepting shit presenters. I couldn't care less if they're female or male, so long as they have a fucking clue.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Kelly Cates (who others have mentioned)
Jaquie Oatley
Alison Mitchell
Gabby Logan
Clare Balding
To name just five off the top of my head, might want to join us in the 21st century pal.
Early runner for most ignorant post of the season there, after all what could the daughter of Kenny Dalglish possibly know about football? I seem to recall you telling us all we were deluded if we thought Villa could beat the might of Liverpool at Wembley.
The highlights programme is abysmal but it has nothing to do with the presenters.
So the daughter of any footballer who's ever lived knows everything about football. That makes sense.
I did think you were deluded to think we'd beat Liverpool, I was clearly wrong, as people are.
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Don't get me wrong about Shearer, I'm not saying he's good but he's better than terrible which is what he was!
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Danny Murphy is quite good.
And so is Jenas, weirdly.
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Pat Nevin seems to be quite good whenever I've heard him.
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I don't think anyone is saying they'd know everything, purely that they'd know quite a bit. Not that this would necessarily make them a good TV presenter, but to say they would know nothing is wide of the mark. It strikes me that a poor woman presenter is frequently called a poor woman presenter, with the underlying emphasis that women can't do sport, but a poor male presenter is just crap at his job.
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So the daughter of any footballer who's ever lived knows everything about football. That makes sense.
I did think you were deluded to think we'd beat Liverpool, I was clearly wrong, as people are.
I dare say being a football journalist and supporter means that Kelly Cates does know quite a lot about football, even if she is just a woman. I'm fairly certain you were well aware of the name of 'that stupid woman' but chose to call her that as another example of your ignorance.
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Don't get me wrong about Shearer, I'm not saying he's good but he's better than terrible which is what he was!
I think somebody has told him to be more 'passionate' or 'engaged' or something. If I was Lineker I would just spend the whole time trolling him about his stupid clothes and shiny bald head. To see how much of it he would swallow
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Don't get me wrong about Shearer, I'm not saying he's good but he's better than terrible which is what he was!
I think somebody has told him to be more 'passionate' or 'engaged' or something. If I was Lineker I would just spend the whole time trolling him about his stupid clothes and shiny bald head. To see how much of it he would swallow
I'd call him Heinz because he looks like a baked bean. Or 57. I'd be a great lad to have around the dressing room.
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I'd go with 'Primark helmet' because he looks like a badly-dressed glans
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So where is Hepburn-Murphy?
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I'd go with 'Primark helmet' because he looks like a badly-dressed glans
I'm going with Heinzy, easier to shout when I stick one up to the back post for him.
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So the daughter of any footballer who's ever lived knows everything about football. That makes sense.
I did think you were deluded to think we'd beat Liverpool, I was clearly wrong, as people are.
I dare say being a football journalist and supporter means that Kelly Cates does know quite a lot about football, even if she is just a woman. I'm fairly certain you were well aware of the name of 'that stupid woman' but chose to call her that as another example of your ignorance.
What a bizarre thing to do. Why would I make something up? If I don't know the name, I don't know the name. Very odd.
And anyway, some of my best friends are female. In fact, I was talking to one just the other day.
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By 21st century you mean accepting shit presenters. I couldn't care less if they're female or male, so long as they have a fucking clue.
You can see why people might think otherwise. You know, when you say things like:
Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue.
Reading it back, I'm sure that you can see why it looks like your issue is with women rather than pundits in general.
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Or maybe he's a Mannish Boy.
(Probably sails straight over the heads of anyone under 45-50.)
Treading in Muddy waters there!
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Shearer went straight through the batwing doors of the Last Chance Saloon and out the back wih the empies when he did those toe curlers for Barclays. With his wooden stereo Geordie relations in orgiasic footage of St James Park then ringing on the doorbell of selected family friendly targets to give them free footie tickets. All this while his erstwhile club was in turmoil and dropping like a stone. Shearer only survives as a pundi and a supposed football figure of significance because so much sport broadcasting, football in particular is in the hands of incompetents who do not see why sport should not be regarded as show business.
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Pat Nevin seems to be quite good whenever I've heard him.
I like Pat Nevin too. You check out the interview with him on the guardian podcast thing? Good stuff.
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Pat Nevin good? The most whinest voice ever.
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Shearer went straight through the batwing doors of the Last Chance Saloon and out the back wih the empies when he did those toe curlers for Barclays. With his wooden stereo Geordie relations in orgiasic footage of St James Park then ringing on the doorbell of selected family friendly targets to give them free footie tickets. All this while his erstwhile club was in turmoil and dropping like a stone. Shearer only survives as a pundi and a supposed football figure of significance because so much sport broadcasting, football in particular is in the hands of incompetents who do not see why sport should not be regarded as show business.
It could be down to clueless people involved in (sports) broadcasting.
I think a big part of it is that he is a 'legend'. Now that term gets over-used but his achievements were very special, however, I do not believe that makes him (or most of the others) either interesting to listen to or capable of offering insight or at least an interesting perspective.
Though a big part of it is that they are asked to give a decent and concise review of a game based on 5-10 minutes of edited highlights (unless it is the major game featured) and that is not possible whoever they are, hence they resort to clichés and praise someone for a goal or dissect a refereeing decision.
I would rather each game have an analyst - someone good at the job regardless of whether they ever achieved 'legend' status and they offered a view based on watching the whole game and some (sensible) use of the tools available now like pitch maps etc. That would give a greater feel for the game.
Endlessly re-running incidents related to refereeing decisions is very lazy in my view. Guess what, they get some right and get some wrong and it is not going to change.
p.s. I do like Pat Nevin on 5 Live whilst Steve Claridge is a buffoon who trots out football phrases and mentions systems like he is calling 'cliché bingo' and along with Gobby Cabbage is most likely to resort to the ex-pro line of "when you have played at this level you understand ..."
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Pat Nevin seems to be quite good whenever I've heard him.
I like Pat Nevin too. You check out the interview with him on the guardian podcast thing? Good stuff.
It was - did you listen to the Dean Windass one? That was very interesting listening.
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In the final analysis it boils down to the ability of a pundit to use language well and to express views which are his/hers not to seek audience approval. One who impresses me in both these regards is Owen Hargreaves while his BT colleague Michael Owen is an archetypal star-turned-critic whose broadcasting demeanour is the same as that on the field that we are so lucky to have him gracing our presence.
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So the daughter of any footballer who's ever lived knows everything about football. That makes sense.
I did think you were deluded to think we'd beat Liverpool, I was clearly wrong, as people are.
I dare say being a football journalist and supporter means that Kelly Cates does know quite a lot about football, even if she is just a woman. I'm fairly certain you were well aware of the name of 'that stupid woman' but chose to call her that as another example of your ignorance.
What a bizarre thing to do. Why would I make something up? If I don't know the name, I don't know the name. Very odd.
I've no idea, why would you tell fellow Villa supporters they were deluded for thinking their team could win a football match against another team? Why infer that being a woman makes you less likely to be able to comment on or understand football? Kelly Cates has been presenting and commenting for a number of years and with google and what have you I just find it strange you don't know her name.
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For me Hazel Irvine is the best sports presenter on TV. She would be my pick to present Match of the Day. Claire Balding is good too but just seems to cover all the sports that I'm not interested in.
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For me Hazel Irvine is the best sports presenter on TV. She would be my pick to present Match of the Day. Claire Balding is good too but just seems to cover all the sports that I'm not interested in.
I get the feeling it wouldn't take too much effort for Claire Balding to be a good MOTD presenter. Her skills in gaining knowledge in other sports, especially several recent Olympics would probably put the 'names' to shame.
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Don't get me wrong about Shearer, I'm not saying he's good but he's better than terrible which is what he was!
I think somebody has told him to be more 'passionate' or 'engaged' or something. If I was Lineker I would just spend the whole time trolling him about his stupid clothes and shiny bald head. To see how much of it he would swallow
Although Lineker can't really do much as Shearer just has to throw back "Can you tell what it is yet?" in his face.
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I must own up to a spectacular own goal on Bianca Westwood looking good without her kit on. All I can say is that there is someone on Redtube that looks just like her from behind.
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Pat Nevin seems to be quite good whenever I've heard him.
I like Pat Nevin too. You check out the interview with him on the guardian podcast thing? Good stuff.
It was - did you listen to the Dean Windass one? That was very interesting listening.
I generally like Nevin as he is thoughtful and pretty eloquent. It was interesting hearing his theory about Lampard and Gerrard not gelling together for England being due to playing Beckham on the right. He thought that they would have worked if there was pace on the right to stretch opposing defences more. Sadly I didn't hear what he would have done with Scholes.
My only beef with Nevin is that he has become an apologist for Mourinho and avoids a direct answer to any question that is critical of him (eg "why did Mourinho flounce off and not shake Wenger's hand after the charity shield last week?")
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Gabby Logan is an excellent presenter and seemingly very knowledgable about whatever she is presenting. The documentary she presented on the Bradford fire was brilliant and very harrowing.
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Sarah Jones on Foxtel is pretty handy.
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Rebecca Lowe who does NBC sports coverage of the PL is excellent. She was on Setanta before I think.
Same cliches every week......blah blah blah...Manchess United.....Mancher City.....blah blah blah Robbie....blah blah blah Robbie.....
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For me Hazel Irvine is the best sports presenter on TV. She would be my pick to present Match of the Day. Claire Balding is good too but just seems to cover all the sports that I'm not interested in.
Oh no, no, no. Claire Balding is solely interested in promoting herself. She ruined the Winter Olympics for me by making it the Claire Balding show in which we saw more of her and the other presenters (who don't seem to be able to say anything but 'amazing') than we did of any of the sport. She'd make it into a chat show in which all you would see are the goals and her.
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Although Bianca does have a bad side.
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I read somewhere she supported Millwall?!
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Danny Murphy is quite good.
And so is Jenas, weirdly.
Murphy is good, just has a boring delivery.
Think Jenas states the obvious too much.
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Carragher was very good on Sky tonight. Absolutely tore Van Aanholt(?) a new one for his 'performance' for Sunderland on Saturday. And rightly so judging by the clips he showed.
Raved about Gestede a bit too.
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The stupid woman on the Football League show does my head in. Why is it that the majority of women on TV to present/discuss sport, haven't got a fucking clue. All they know is Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea and the EPL. Not a fucking clue and irritating. The dopey mare on BBC breakfast (the one who looks like a horse), is also a fucking idiot.
There's a lot of shit male presenters, but the good to bad ratio is better than the women's. Eleanor Oldroyd is about the only decent female sports presenter I can currently think of.
I blame Sky Sports.
Surely the only requirements should be is, 1) not be annoying and 2) have a clue what you're talking about.
Well at least some of that could be seen as being sexist, careful...
I actually think Kelly Cate is a really good presenter. She has a good sense of humour, lets the chat flow, but also knows when to step in, and has a decent level of knowledge. Not seen the C5 show yet, but sorry to hear if it wasn't great, the BEEB should hang their heads for letting those rights slip.
MOTD just gets worse every season. I like Danny Murphy as a pundit, oddly Shearer has improved, but not enough for me, and Lineker is beyond cruise control. For awhile his cheesy jokes were his main appeal, but even those have gone down hill.
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Rebecca Lowe who does NBC sports coverage of the PL is excellent. She was on Setanta before I think.
Same cliches every week......blah blah blah...Manchess United.....Mancher City.....blah blah blah Robbie....blah blah blah Robbie.....
And that's different to any other top 4 loving media outlet how exactly? They concentrate on the clubs at the top and especially so given her audience is North American which narrows down the variety even further.
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Hilarious defending by Lovren.
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That's a harsh red for Noble.
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Yes I think Ref went for balance!
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Viewpoint from a neutral who attended her first ever football match today whilst watching the coverage on MOTD...
"They only tried to score about 2 times during the whole game and we were always in their half of the pitch trying to score, so why are they showing it to make it look as if they were the better team. I don't get it. It's discrimination".
Bless her.
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Gullit is rather lazy with his punditry and analysis. He also shows some of his aloof attitude and really has a laid back attitude . He's entertaining in the way he knows his football beliefs and tells the rest of the panel. And will completely go away from the schedule/script asking questions and making statements (linekar trying to do a link) " Gary is Theo a striker? " and " you must go to the player that did the foul like martin keown on Ruud van nistleroy- I like this, this is what you must do"
He ll also give one or only a few words when lineaker asks a question on the lesser clubs . This is funny coz its awfully bad. He's Ruud gullit he doesn't care.
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His answer to Liverpool's "not quite there'ness" was a bit left field to say the least. Change tactics, personnel or manager? No, move to a new stadium apparently, and then all will be well.
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Hilarious defending by Lovren.
Southampton saw Liverpool coming with that deal
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That's a harsh red for Noble.
Absolute joke that was, Laughably bad
how many decisions have Liverpool had so far this season, they didn't get away with it yesterday but the ref tried his best
Benteke's offside goal, Arsenals on side goal, Noble's sending off,
they are just jammy fuckers
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His answer to Liverpool's "not quite there'ness" was a bit left field to say the least. Change tactics, personnel or manager? No, move to a new stadium apparently, and then all will be well.
Oh yes forgot that absolutely nonsensical classic!
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His answer to Liverpool's "not quite there'ness" was a bit left field to say the least. Change tactics, personnel or manager? No, move to a new stadium apparently, and then all will be well.
Oh yes forgot that absolutely nonsensical classic!
What was he on about? That was all a bit odd.
Keown is a crap pundit too, I got the impression he has no idea at all how our summer ins and outs have gone. At least Lineker seemed to realise after our opener how changed we are.
I like Danny Murphy, he's a good un.
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Unfortunately some lazy pundits still haven't caught on or have blindly ignored the fact that since selling Benteke and Delph, we've actually gone about our business professionally, quietly and signed some quality players this summer that actually improve our squad as a whole.
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Unfortunately some lazy pundits still haven't caught on or have blindly ignored the fact that since selling Benteke and Delph, we've actually gone about our business professionally, quietly and signed some quality players this summer that actually improve our squad as a whole.
They won't until we start winning. And frankly I don't think we deserve plaudits until they are earned. We can see this side is coming together but it will take a few wins for others to take note.
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His answer to Liverpool's "not quite there'ness" was a bit left field to say the least. Change tactics, personnel or manager? No, move to a new stadium apparently, and then all will be well.
That was either truly bizarre or mind blowingly brilliant.
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Unfortunately some lazy pundits still haven't caught on or have blindly ignored the fact that since selling Benteke and Delph, we've actually gone about our business professionally, quietly and signed some quality players this summer that actually improve our squad as a whole.
They won't until we start winning. And frankly I don't think we deserve plaudits until they are earned. We can see this side is coming together but it will take a few wins for others to take note.
I agree TV. Friends have been asking me what Villa will do this season and my answer is that I genuinely don't know. So many new players, with no / little Premier league experience means it is hard to predict.
My feeling is we have a better squad now but our first team hasn't gelled yet. A mate told me today that we have had 7 shots on target in our 2 home games - "same Villa as last season" was his comment, but it doesn't feel like that to me. Too early for plaudits though, as you say.
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Hilarious defending by Lovren.
Southampton saw Liverpool coming with that deal
They have quite possibly out downing'ed us on that one .
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Unfortunately some lazy pundits still haven't caught on or have blindly ignored the fact that since selling Benteke and Delph, we've actually gone about our business professionally, quietly and signed some quality players this summer that actually improve our squad as a whole.
They won't until we start winning. And frankly I don't think we deserve plaudits until they are earned. We can see this side is coming together but it will take a few wins for others to take note.
I agree TV. Friends have been asking me what Villa will do this season and my answer is that I genuinely don't know. So many new players, with no / little Premier league experience means it is hard to predict.
My feeling is we have a better squad now but our first team hasn't gelled yet. A mate told me today that we have had 7 shots on target in our 2 home games - "same Villa as last season" was his comment, but it doesn't feel like that to me. Too early for plaudits though, as you say.
What's he on about? 7 on target in 2? That's Barcelona-esque compared to last season!
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I'd always build the team and then the squad. I'm a bit concerned we've done vice versa
We don't need more than four centre forwards for example. But we do need better ones. Or at least one of them.
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I'd always build the team and then the squad. I'm a bit concerned we've done vice versa
We don't need more than four centre forwards for example. But we do need better ones. Or at least one of them.
We don't have 4 centre forwards, though, do we? I regard Gestede and Kozak as centre forwards.
Unless I'm missing the point you're making ...
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Plus gabby and ayew - they both want to play centrally too.
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So we only have 2 centre forwards then.
/baddum-tish
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Putting it here because......
The BBC are doing a documentary on Wayne Rooney, and also doing a live commentary about the documentary on the BBC sport website. WTF. I didn't know he had single handedly won the World Cup or something.
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Catching up watching wrighty on motd his analysis is tinged with enthusiastic and simple comments make it somewhat endearing . He passes it to him goes past him its frightening and scores boom look at that. I'm para phasing.
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I'd be more inclined to describe it as moronic.
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I'd be more inclined to describe it as moronic.
Theres a lot of it about.
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I'd be more inclined to describe it as moronic.
If he wasn't famous he'd be roundly ignored
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I'd be more inclined to describe it as moronic.
If he wasn't famous he'd be roundly ignored
Wrighty now saying Tim is surly. That's a good obdervation use
And speaks footballers sense
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/
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Wrighty is famous as u put it as he was a footballer. That's the key point though he is often very simple in his radio and tv stuff he's enthusiastic and has character. From having seen his goalscoring record and checked out his premier league play he seems to know where the goal is!
I think they should have a strikers corner analysis section and he and shearer can dovetail and talk about the goal scorers and the positional play, runs and things . I'm not sure when he talks about any other play he's so knowledgeable
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I'd be more inclined to describe it as moronic.
If he wasn't famous he'd be roundly ignored
Wrighty now saying Tim is surly. That's a good obdervation use
And speaks footballers sense
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/
Brilliant Analysis. What next - there are lots of canals in Amsterdam? It's autumn so leaves are falling from trees.
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I think they should have a strikers corner analysis section and he and shearer can dovetail and talk about the goal scorers and the positional play, runs and things . I'm not sure when he talks about any other play he's so knowledgeable
I think they should perhaps give thought to getting people who are capable of stringing a sentence together to talk about 'stuff', Ian Wright makes Shearer sound eloquent.
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Wright should be binned just for all that "gaffer" bollocks.
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Before today's Chelsea game, oldwoman 'Lawro' on football focus today telling the world that the club in the predicament it's in purely because we sold Benteke and Delph.
Nothing to do with the manager.
Jenas telling the world the reason we are in the state we are because we just can't score goals.
We have scored as many as mid table Liverpool you fucking crock.
Football punditry?
It's just a license to spout lazy, fucking, shite!!
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Ian Wright is the worst ever football pundit. I thought the British media had come to their senses a few years back when they all seemed to bin him but he seems to have made a Lazarus style comeback lately and he's on everything now. Talk about dumbing down!
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Before today's Chelsea game, oldwoman 'Lawro' on football focus today telling the world that the club in the predicament it's in purely because we sold Benteke and Delph.
Nothing to do with the manager.
Jenas telling the world the reason we are in the state we are because we just can't score goals.
We have scored as many as mid table Liverpool you fucking crock.
Football punditry?
It's just a license to spout lazy, fucking, shite!!
From listening to them, neither has watched us play. Simplistic bollocks. But hey-ho, moaninho's got a book to sell.
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Before today's Chelsea game, oldwoman 'Lawro' on football focus today telling the world that the club in the predicament it's in purely because we sold Benteke and Delph.
Nothing to do with the manager.
Jenas telling the world the reason we are in the state we are because we just can't score goals.
We have scored as many as mid table Liverpool you fucking crock.
Football punditry?
It's just a license to spout lazy, fucking, shite!!
From listening to them, neither has watched us play. Simplistic bollocks. But hey-ho, moaninho's got a book to sell.
I gave up on FF a good while ago. Lazy fuppers.
I think it was a time when they interviewed Rooney sycophantic drivel asking him powder puff questions and then the pundits told us how great Rooney was at interviews nowadays. Self congratulatory crap. Oh and he isn't. Rooney is a fine footballer, certainly the best English player over the last decade but he is an appalling manifestations when placed behind a microphone
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Couple of years ago I had the misfortune to speak to Danny Mills. I asked the arrogant cock if he'd seen much of Villa and he said "I only do the important games at the top or the bottom". We were fourth from bottom, nice to know he did his research before he tells the world what's wrong/right about teams.
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You lot sound surprised nobody watches or has any knowledge of Villa on the TV. Why would they?
Unless you're a Villa fan, why the fuck would you bother with us? Pure dull shite. We only watch it because it's Villa. Certainly not because it's fun.
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You lot sound surprised nobody watches or has any knowledge of Villa on the TV. Why would they?
Unless you're a Villa fan, why the fuck would you bother with us? Pure dull shite. We only watch it because it's Villa. Certainly not because it's fun.
They get paid money for it, simple. They can watch on all sorts of time delay devices.
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You lot sound surprised nobody watches or has any knowledge of Villa on the TV. Why would they?
Unless you're a Villa fan, why the fuck would you bother with us? Pure dull shite. We only watch it because it's Villa. Certainly not because it's fun.
They get paid money for it, simple. They can watch on all sorts of time delay devices.
They get paid to talk about the teams the majority of the audience want to hear about. Aston Villa don't interest anyone other than Villa fans, and we have considerably less than the top teams.
We're not the only ones at all. All teams but the obvious have mundane shite talked about them.
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Enjoy this thread while you can. It won't be around much longer.
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I was thinking today that the lack of watching MOTD was like when we were last in Div 2. I didn't watch MOTD then either. I didn't know new managers players and how teams set themselves up. Its the same now.
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Hmmm, the wording of the poll on the BBC live thread leaves something to be desired.
What is your reaction to Aston Villa choosing Remi Garde as their new manager?
Choose : Remi who?
Choose : He’s highly rated in France – he’ll keep them up, no problem
Choose : That’s Villa in the Championship next season then
Choose : They should have gone for David Moyes
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