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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: wozwebs on July 27, 2015, 11:00:40 PM
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ANOTHER JORDAN!! French press repointrting done deal. Midfielder at Nantes
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A bit early for its own thread. Pascal Praud has just become a name I didn't think I would be googling! He seems to be a local Nantes journalist that has also held positions at the club, so may know from the inside, but he is reporting it as done.
Very interesting, if it is true as the player seems to be the type that we may have thought above us at the end of last season.
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Is he attacking or defensive player?
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Would appear he can play anywhere in the central midfield, holding or behind the forward. Started to add goals last 18 months or so, and 7-8 assists last season from the looks of it.
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Metro reported yesterday an 'unnamed Premier League club' had made a bid.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/26/liverpool-take-lead-in-jordan-veretout-transfer-race-because-tottenham-have-too-many-midfielders-5313285/
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As I'd never heard of him and my font of knowledge has gone to bed I did some research. All google shows is that Liverpool are thought to be in pole position ahead of Spurs for him.
I want us to sign him now and I'll be very disappointed if we don't.
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Yep, he's saying done, but most other reports saying Liverpool in for him. Lets hope he's right.
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As I'd never heard of him and my font of knowledge has gone to bed I did some research. All google shows is that Liverpool are thought to be in pole position ahead of Spurs for him.
I want us to sign him now and I'll be very disappointed if we don't.
From the write ups of him in France, he seems to be a but special. The type that don't usually end up in the midfield down the Villa.
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Another one that looks quick and full of energy. I can see a considerable increase in tempo for next season, which weve lacked for many years.
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I know this could end up being bollocks and I will slag the club off no end of it is, how low we have sunk? etc, but am I allowed to get a little excited, moderate pant movement if this is even a little bit true?
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I am pretty sure it is not true. 1. he seems too highly rated for a club who finished 17th to get him, and 2. I reckon it is a rumour to force the Spurs or Liverpool hand.
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I am pretty sure it is not true. 1. he seems too highly rated for a club who finished 17th to get him, and 2. I reckon it is a rumour to force the Spurs or Liverpool hand.
With the odd exception Newcastle have been eterrnally gash yet they have managed to sign a number of very talented players, especially from France over recent seasons. If we offer a player a compelling argument, finances and a chance to play at a higher level then I don't see why we shouldn't be linked with or signing these players. As long the story of Anelka joining Bolton exists anything in football is possible.
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His Wiki page shows him as a Villa player now so it must be true
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It is breaking that he is joining 3-4 clubs tonight. I reckon the agent is up to funny business and we are an easy and plausible link at the moment.
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I am pretty sure it is not true. 1. he seems too highly rated for a club who finished 17th to get him, and 2. I reckon it is a rumour to force the Spurs or Liverpool hand.
I think Sherwood's shopping list has been hacked and they have mistaken Mangetout from Netto for Veretout from Nantes.
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He's a level or two above us surely?
Nzogbia does seem to have removed all villa references from his profile though suggesting he's off. One rumour was that he was going to Nantes as part of the deal. Swap deals are actually quite rare though.
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His Wiki page shows him as a Villa player now so it must be true
I just checked and it says he's joined Plymouth Argyle...
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According to wiki, he is the 13th Duke of Wybourne.
All hail the Duke!
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He's a level or two above us surely?
Nzogbia does seem to have removed all villa references from his profile though suggesting he's off. One rumour was that he was going to Nantes as part of the deal. Swap deals are actually quite rare though.
Someone tweeted a pic of himself with N'Zogbia this morning, saying he'd been into his place of work.
Place of work looked like a high end bathroom / floor tiles outlet - that Spanish company, the one that has a branch where the Dallas Exchange used to be on the Stratford Road in Shirley maybe, can't remember the name now.
If he was leaving WHY WOULD HE BE SORTED A NEW KITCHEN OR BATHROOM OUT?
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PS: Porcelanosa!
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According to wiki, he is the 13th Duke of Wybourne.
All hail the Duke!
Moi? Le treizième Duc de Wynbourne? En Aston Villa? Avec ma réputation?
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Does that mean he's now farting in our general direction?
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http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/06/14/scout-report-jordan-veretout-nantes/
A Balanced read, includes this:
"What does the future hold?
With a relatively low release clause, it would be no surprise to see Veretout moving on this summer. The player has stated a preference for Spain and its focus on technique, with Atletico Madrid a rumored destination. One could easily imagine Veretout as a long-term replacement for Gabi, adding depth alongside Saul Niguez if not figuring in the starting XI immediately. Arsenal, Inter Milan, and Newcastle have also been mentioned as potential destinations. Wherever the player’s future lies, he has stated that were he to leave Nantes, it would only be for a club with European football on the table, limiting his options domestically. For this writer, however, another season in Nantes would probably suit Veretout best, as despite his superb start to the season, he still hasn’t, for me, demonstrated the particular level of aptitude necessary to succeed at a club that is demonstrably bigger than Nantes, be it abroad or within the confines of Ligue 1."
Who knows...
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I can't cope with all these Jordans, t'int right.
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ANOTHER JORDAN!! French press reporting done deal. Midfielder at Nantes
I'm struggling to find any French outlet reporting this story.. he seems pretty talented though.
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
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Still. Even if it's all nonsense, I enjoyed the similar (better!) write up one we already have
http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/04/28/scout-report-jordan-amavi-nice-full-back/
(I'm presuming this made it to his thread?)
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ANOTHER JORDAN!! French press reporting done deal. Midfielder at Nantes
I'm struggling to find any French outlet reporting this story.. he seems pretty talented though.
http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-le-nantais-jordan-veretout-en-route-vers-aston-villa-27-07-2015-4973813.php
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What is his line in hats? I'm reserving judgment until I know.
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His Wiki page shows him as a Villa player now so it must be true
I just checked and it says he's joined Plymouth Argyle...
Pesky pilgrims. Perenially poised to pounce and prevent prospective player promises.
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Imagine waking up to find we've signed Veretout and gave them Nzog as part of the deal.
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N'Zogbia is being a bit vocal and odd on twitter.
Has tweeted two one word tweets this evening (normally never tweets).
One was "Politics", the other was "Blessed".
The second one triggered some amusing responses from Villa fans, one of which was, "why? Have you just changed your name to Jordan?" which actually made me spit wine over the cat and a bit of the sofa.
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Imagine waking up to find we've signed Veretout and gave them Nzog as part of the deal gone.
Just that alone would make it a glorious day.
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Perhaps he is watching Flash Gordon.
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http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/06/14/scout-report-jordan-veretout-nantes/
A Balanced read, includes this:
"What does the future hold?
With a relatively low release clause, it would be no surprise to see Veretout moving on this summer. The player has stated a preference for Spain and its focus on technique, with Atletico Madrid a rumored destination. One could easily imagine Veretout as a long-term replacement for Gabi, adding depth alongside Saul Niguez if not figuring in the starting XI immediately. Arsenal, Inter Milan, and Newcastle have also been mentioned as potential destinations. Wherever the player’s future lies, he has stated that were he to leave Nantes, it would only be for a club with a newly jetwashed stand or European football on the table, limiting his options domestically. For this writer, however, another season in Nantes would probably suit Veretout best, as despite his superb start to the season, he still hasn’t, for me, demonstrated the particular level of aptitude necessary to succeed at a club that is demonstrably bigger than Nantes, be it abroad or within the confines of Ligue 1."
Who knows...
Can't see much wrong with that.
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Proof, if proof be need be:-
(http://www.bugdozer.vispa.com/images/JordanVeretout.jpg)
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http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/06/14/scout-report-jordan-veretout-nantes/
A Balanced read, includes this:
"What does the future hold?
With a relatively low release clause, it would be no surprise to see Veretout moving on this summer. The player has stated a preference for Spain and its focus on technique, with Atletico Madrid a rumored destination. One could easily imagine Veretout as a long-term replacement for Gabi, adding depth alongside Saul Niguez if not figuring in the starting XI immediately. Arsenal, Inter Milan, and Newcastle have also been mentioned as potential destinations. Wherever the player’s future lies, he has stated that were he to leave Nantes, it would only be for a club with a newly jetwashed stand or European football on the table, limiting his options domestically. For this writer, however, another season in Nantes would probably suit Veretout best, as despite his superb start to the season, he still hasn’t, for me, demonstrated the particular level of aptitude necessary to succeed at a club that is demonstrably bigger than Nantes, be it abroad or within the confines of Ligue 1."
Who knows...
Can't see much wrong with that.
Ha ha, excellent stuff.
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Proof, if proof be need be:-
(http://www.bugdozer.vispa.com/images/JordanVeretout.jpg)
Not really...
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Surely Liverpool must have done all their spending by now?
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So Mercato is running that cheesy picture of a fan in last years home kit claiming that it actually is Veretout.. doesn't look like him to me.
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French article, claiming deal done
http://www.ouest-france.fr/fc-nantes-jordan-veretout-choisi-aston-villa-3588087
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
My God ! Julian & Sandy ? You must be as old as me.....😀
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Well here is a player I have actually heard of and rate, I doubt we will get him though he is a much admired player in France, Physically able to complete, aggressive and skilful, I do hope this is true a move for him would be very exciting,
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French article, claiming deal done
http://www.ouest-france.fr/fc-nantes-jordan-veretout-choisi-aston-villa-3588087
Does that also say we've signed Mendy??!
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French article, claiming deal done
http://www.ouest-france.fr/fc-nantes-jordan-veretout-choisi-aston-villa-3588087
Does that also say we've signed Mendy??!
From what I can make out on that article, they'd be referring to Nampalys Mendy also of Nice, who's been linked with a 10 million euro move to Leicester.
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The fact that article seems to be suggesting that mendy has already joined the premier league suggests we shouldn't get too carried away yet.
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French article, claiming deal done
http://www.ouest-france.fr/fc-nantes-jordan-veretout-choisi-aston-villa-3588087
Well spotted. Didn't see that.
Does that also say we've signed Mendy??!
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Something a bit more substantial from L'Équipe (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Jordan-veretout-nantes-proche-d-aston-villa/577397)
Il y a quelques jours, Waldemar Kita, le président Nantais, confirmait que son milieu de terrain, Jordan Veretout (22 ans, sous contrat jusqu’en 2017), avait des envies d’ailleurs. Des clubs anglais, dont Tottenham, Liverpool ou encore Southampton, s’étaient penchés sur le dossier Veretout.
Le joueur formé à Nantes pourrait finalement atterrir à Aston Villa, qui poursuivrait ainsi son recrutement très «made in» Ligue 1, étant donné que le club anglais a déjà enrôlé Jordan Amavi (Nice), Idrissa Gueye (Lille) et Jordan Ayew (Lorient). «On est presque d’accord sur tout. Je suis obligé de m’incliner. Il a 22 ans, il est plein d’avenir et il va jouer dans un grand club anglais», a réagi Kita dans L’Équipe de ce mardi, sans dévoiler le nom de la formation pour laquelle devrait s’engager Veretout. Un accord pourrait être trouvé dès ce mardi pour le transfert de Veretout.
The important bit being the Nantes President saying "everything is more or less agreed. I have to give in, he has a great future and he is going to play for a great English club".
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Yeah but which club?
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Yeah but which club?
he said 'great' that rules out everyone else.
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Yeah but which club?
It's in an article titled "Jordan Vertout of Nantes close to joining Aston Villa", so L'Équipe think that it's us. Although they do say that he didn't tell them the name of the club he was joining.
The last line says that the deal could be agreed today.
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If it hasn't been already mentioned, there's someone tweeting under the name of @whispers_listen who seems to be very clued up about all these deals before they break.
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
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If it hasn't been already mentioned, there's someone tweeting under the name of @whispers_listen who seems to be very clued up about all these deals before they break.
Sounds like our Tim is going above and beyond normal managerial duties though
@whispers_listen: sherwood make love to clark and of course clark love avfc. both happy with likely 3 years extended, also 1.8 times salary rough 30k a week.
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Imagine going to bed nice and early on transfer deadline day not giving a tinkers cuss because we are all sorted. Lovely.
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I'm not sure this French geezer is cut out for the rigours of the PL. Doesn't Veretout mean 'all glass' in that there French? Or Something?
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If it hasn't been already mentioned, there's someone tweeting under the name of @whispers_listen who seems to be very clued up about all these deals before they break.
It does look to be a well-informed source - or getting things right presently at least, even if the wording is sometimes a little unusual. I like what is being said about Charles N'Zog being moved on too.
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Targeting young U21 and full internationals from foreign leagues with less financial clout seems a very sensible strategy.
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
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Haven't you heard? We should already be panicking about doing our business so late! (So says someone else)
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
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Haven't you heard? We should already be panicking about doing our business so late! (So says someone else)
Don't tell me is it the 'Brazil of the Midlands' loving WM by any chance? "out of all the Villa new signings how many would get into the Albion side" etc etc etc
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To be honest, Jordan Amavi is highly rated and I was surprised we got him, so you never know. i think creating a little group of these players all coming over at the same time might be attractive to them, and useful for us.
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
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I have seen a suggestion that Almsadt has had an influence in these comings and goings as Arsenal were looking at some of these players.
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I must admit I really hope we get this one, only looked on you tube but he looks like a seriously 'all action' midfielder. Considering our midfield has been pretty much 'no action' for 4 years even with Delph in there, it would make a pleasant change.
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
Trying to explain to MON the concept of buying players from the French league must be like trying to explain the Internet to a Victorian.
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
Trying to explain to MON the concept of buying players from the French league must be like trying to explain the Internet to a Victorian.
This is so true. I'm not as anti MON as some, but bloody hell he was so unimaginative with transfers it was ridiculous.
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
Trying to explain to MON the concept of buying players from the French league must be like trying to explain the Internet to a Victorian.
Remind me, where did MON sign John Carew from?
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Not a particular impressive or stand out Youtube compilation
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
Trying to explain to MON the concept of buying players from the French league must be like trying to explain the Internet to a Victorian.
Remind me, where did MON sign John Carew from?
It was an exchange deal with Lyon where we managed to offload Baros. I thought at the time it was more about getting rid of Baros!
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
Trying to explain to MON the concept of buying players from the French league must be like trying to explain the Internet to a Victorian.
Remind me, where did MON sign John Carew from?
MON wanted rid of Baros & Houllier wanted Baros and rid of Carew.
There was nothing about that deal that suggested MON actively went looking for Carew.
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
Trying to explain to MON the concept of buying players from the French league must be like trying to explain the Internet to a Victorian.
Remind me, where did MON sign John Carew from?
MON wanted rid of Baros & Houllier wanted Baros and rid of Carew.
There was nothing about that deal that suggested MON actively went looking for Carew.
Indeed. Lyon offered us him as part of a move for Baros.
MON signed, what, about 40 players, and how many of them weren't playing in the UK already?
Guzan, Carew ..... Who else?
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I'm panicking here, I haven't heard anything about this for approximately three-quarters of an hour! I'd really like this one to happen.
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I know this is going to sound ultra miserablist but whilst I am all for getting young players in, and we do seem to be paying bigger fees for them, we seem to shop in one aisle of the supermarche, this window the lower bit of the French league, in previous years the Football League.
I'd be happier to see our targets spread a little wider, a more balanced diet if you will.
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Not a particular impressive or stand out Youtube compilation
How could the scouts be so careless not to check this first?
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I have seen a suggestion that Almsadt has had an influence in these comings and goings as Arsenal were looking at some of these players.
I was thinking the same thing. We seem to be after a fair few Afro-French players, which is very much a Wenger trait.
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I know this is going to sound ultra miserablist but whilst I am all for getting young players in, and we do seem to be paying bigger fees for them, we seem to shop in one aisle of the supermarche, this window the lower bit of the French league, in previous years the Football League.
I'd be happier to see our targets spread a little wider, a more balanced diet if you will.
Three out of six is hardly bulk buying.
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I know this is going to sound ultra miserablist but whilst I am all for getting young players in, and we do seem to be paying bigger fees for them, we seem to shop in one aisle of the supermarche, this window the lower bit of the French league, in previous years the Football League.
I'd be happier to see our targets spread a little wider, a more balanced diet if you will.
In fairness we've also bought from Man City and Norwich this window.
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ANOTHER JORDAN!! French press reporting done deal. Midfielder at Nantes
Hmmm The Jordanaires were a quartet right? One more needed still after this one? Will we get an Elvis for them to back up?
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We will be signing Arsene Wenger next to further add to Monsieur Sherwood's back up team!
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Can we get Bowery back?
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I have seen a suggestion that Almsadt has had an influence in these comings and goings as Arsenal were looking at some of these players.
I would sincerely hope he is having an input and would be surprised if he was not to be honest. Perhaps not the first choice Arsenal ones but certainly the close seconds. So following the Arsenal model of recruiting French players and not the Newcastle one.
With Fox and Almstadt on the admin side and TS with RW on the playing side I am moving from "glass half empty towards glass half full". Looking for a significant improvement with what appears to be a plan coming together.
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I know this is going to sound ultra miserablist but whilst I am all for getting young players in, and we do seem to be paying bigger fees for them, we seem to shop in one aisle of the supermarche, this window the lower bit of the French league, in previous years the Football League.
I'd be happier to see our targets spread a little wider, a more balanced diet if you will.
Three out of six is hardly bulk buying.
3/5 isn't it and this was posted on a thread where we are talking about making it 4/6
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Looking at his Youtube video, this guy looks like just the sort of player we've needed for ages. Attacking midfielder, runs at players and takes good set pieces. More excited about this one than Ayew.
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I'm panicking here, I haven't heard anything about this for approximately three-quarters of an hour! I'd really like this one to happen.
Wikipedia thinks we've already signed him:
Jordan Veretout (born 1 March 1993 in Ancenis) is a French footballer who plays for English club Aston Villa FC in Premier League. He plays as a midfielder. Veretout made his professional debut on 13 May 2011 in a league match against Sedan.[1] He made his first start the following season in the team's opening match of the campaign; a 1–0 extra time win over Reims in the Coupe de la Ligue.[2] Veretout is a France youth international having represented his nation at under-18 and under-19 level. Veretout joined English Club Aston Villa in July 2015 for an initial fee of £12m potentially rising to £16m.
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I know this is going to sound ultra miserablist but whilst I am all for getting young players in, and we do seem to be paying bigger fees for them, we seem to shop in one aisle of the supermarche, this window the lower bit of the French league, in previous years the Football League.
I'd be happier to see our targets spread a little wider, a more balanced diet if you will.
Three out of six is hardly bulk buying.
3/5 isn't it and this was posted on a thread where we are talking about making it 4/6
No, it's six (Sinclair, Richards and Bunn are the others) and we've more chance of signing Crespo than Veretout .
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
My God ! Julian & Sandy ? You must be as old as me.....😀
Round the Horne, and Beyond our Ken. Brilliant radio comedy shows. Can you get these programmes on CD, or whatever the latest techie thing is?
Yes, I am older than most on here, but thankfully still on the green side of the grass.
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He'd only be our second French player of the window anyway, plus what team they come from isn't a measure of how good a young player is.
By that measurement Liverpool can't have signed a brilliant centre forward because Benteke has never finished higher than 15th.
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I know this is going to sound ultra miserablist but whilst I am all for getting young players in, and we do seem to be paying bigger fees for them, we seem to shop in one aisle of the supermarche, this window the lower bit of the French league, in previous years the Football League.
I'd be happier to see our targets spread a little wider, a more balanced diet if you will.
Three out of six is hardly bulk buying.
3/5 isn't it and this was posted on a thread where we are talking about making it 4/6
No, it's six (Sinclair, Richards and Bunn are the others) and we've more chance of signing Crespo than Veretout .
Don't you think it's happening Dave?
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I know this is going to sound ultra miserablist but whilst I am all for getting young players in, and we do seem to be paying bigger fees for them, we seem to shop in one aisle of the supermarche, this window the lower bit of the French league, in previous years the Football League.
I'd be happier to see our targets spread a little wider, a more balanced diet if you will.
Three out of six is hardly bulk buying.
3/5 isn't it and this was posted on a thread where we are talking about making it 4/6
No, it's six (Sinclair, Richards and Bunn are the others) and we've more chance of signing Crespo than Veretout .
Don't you think it's happening Dave?
No ideea, but Crespo seems more likely.
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If this one comes off I'm gonna be seriously impressed. I don't know any of these players but they've all got very good reps.
Still lots of risk involved but it's shaping up to be the most enticing window since Brian little bought draper, milosevic and Southgate
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Can't we just wait till the last day of the window to do our business? I'm fed up with all this transfer nonsense so early.
That Pete Colley bloke is going to a bit bored outside Bodymore come late August.
MON must be appalled at these unseemly goings on!
Trying to explain to MON the concept of buying players from the French league must be like trying to explain the Internet to a Victorian.
Remind me, where did MON sign John Carew from?
MON wanted rid of Baros & Houllier wanted Baros and rid of Carew.
There was nothing about that deal that suggested MON actively went looking for Carew.
Indeed. Lyon offered us him as part of a move for Baros.
MON signed, what, about 40 players, and how many of them weren't playing in the UK already?
Guzan, Carew ..... Who else?
Wasn't Guzan bought because we had a pre-season game in the US where MON saw him.
Even domestic players, there were stories of him paying £8m for NRC and then after the first training session saying that he was crap.
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I don't think anyone needs to prove MON's preference for buying from the domestic leagues. It's incontrovertible
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
My God ! Julian & Sandy ? You must be as old as me.....😀
Round the Horne, and Beyond our Ken. Brilliant radio comedy shows. Can you get these programmes on CD, or whatever the latest techie thing is?
Yes, I am older than most on here, but thankfully still on the green side of the grass.
Don't know if they are on CD or other hard copies but if you go to Youtube you can download them to your hearts content. Round The Horne (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=round+the+horne+)
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So the smartest shirt to buy is with "Jordan" on the back and a big ? As the number.
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Our team will sound like a bunch of clones at this rate - Jordan 1, Jordan 2 and (hopefully) Jordan 3.
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I like the fact that we've targeted the French League, as it smacks of a deliberate policy rather than just casting round for any old shite like Lambert. It also might make these deals easier if the players look and see other players they're familiar with making the move. The inference at the moment is that we have a young French project going on (even if they're not all actually French) and that seems to be paying dividends if we can get ahead of other teams for players like Veretout.
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He seems to be definitely leaving Nantes. President says he's off to a great English club (which is obviously us, as there is only one great English club) and isn't training with them today.
Hopefully Sherwood gave him the Brian Adams treatment again to nab him.
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I like the fact that we've targeted the French League, as it smacks of a deliberate policy rather than just casting round for any old shite like Lambert. It also might make these deals easier if the players look and see other players they're familiar with making the move. The inference at the moment is that we have a young French project going on (even if they're not all actually French) and that seems to be paying dividends if we can get ahead of other teams for players like Veretout.
The approach for Veretout seems very deliberate i.e. not going after him until we've already got a couple of players from the French league so that players in France are aware that we have ambition. It does feel like our Sporting Director may have previously had several dialogues with his agent and know that he's not out of our reach.
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Forgive my ignorance of the French league, but would Veretout be seen as any more of a transfer coup than Amavi? Similar fees and ages, plus both expected to break through to the full French side. If so, I'd think Delph leaving might have been the trigger for going after him now as opposed to a gradual approach of proving our ambition with lesser French players first.
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Our team will sound like a bunch of clones at this rate - Jordan 1, Jordan 2 and (hopefully) Jordan 3.
just Katie Price now
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I like the fact that we've targeted the French League, as it smacks of a deliberate policy rather than just casting round for any old shite like Lambert. It also might make these deals easier if the players look and see other players they're familiar with making the move. The inference at the moment is that we have a young French project going on (even if they're not all actually French) and that seems to be paying dividends if we can get ahead of other teams for players like Veretout.
Yes it seems (whisper it) almost strategic in some way.
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If we can pick up Jordan mark III and Crespo, I would be very happy and optimistic for the coming season after our 2 big departures.
I would definitely now take the big man on loan from spuds with what we already have, old head, can bang em in when he is up for it.
I would also try and follow up with Tom carol fron spuds.
That would be it I feel, hopefully see a change in mentality at the way players see the Villa, and bag a prolific new centre forward this time next year, if Ade can have the season of his life. UTV.
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A bit early for its own thread. Pascal Praud has just become a name I didn't think I would be googling! He seems to be a local Nantes journalist that has also held positions at the club, so may know from the inside, but he is reporting it as done.
He is also a nationally-known sports journo who was on TF1 (main commercial channel in France) for 20-odd years. Not that we give a fuck any more!
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A bit early for its own thread. Pascal Praud has just become a name I didn't think I would be googling! He seems to be a local Nantes journalist that has also held positions at the club, so may know from the inside, but he is reporting it as done.
He is also a nationally-known sports journo who was on TF1 (main commercial channel in France) for 20-odd years. Not that we give a fuck any more!
So we could expect it to be pedigree reporting about the deal then?
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This guys name as with many french words are beautiful so will b enjoying the pronunciations by comms this season. Collymore will anglosie it but im already saying ayew plays a one two with vair tooo on to agbonlahoooor crosses to adabayeoooooor. goal !
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This guys name as with many french words are beautiful so will b enjoying the pronunciations by comms this season. Collymore will anglosie it but im already saying ayew plays a one two with vair tooo on to agbonlahoooor crosses to adabayeoooooor. goal !
Nurse, he's out of bed again!
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
My God ! Julian & Sandy ? You must be as old as me.....😀
Round the Horne, and Beyond our Ken. Brilliant radio comedy shows. Can you get these programmes on CD, or whatever the latest techie thing is?
Yes, I am older than most on here, but thankfully still on the green side of the grass.
Don't know if they are on CD or other hard copies but if you go to Youtube you can download them to your hearts content. Round The Horne (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=round+the+horne+)
I've got a couple of old cassettes of episodes as issued by the BBC. Wonderful listening, and yes, I still have a device for playing them.
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I suspect that there is the cold clean air of shrewdness blowing through the corridors of Villa Park at long last. The French league is being skewed financially by PSG. The most lucrative contracts are being offered in England. Add to that the Greek financial meltdown has forced the value of the Euro to record lows and the end result is that there are very good value deals to be done in France. I like to think also that our new team have been astute enough to realize that a club with a nucleus of France based players will attract more from the same source. I cannot remember being this happy with the off field team at Villa Park for years.
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None of you has mentioned that Kenneth Horne was a regular at VP when he was Managing Director of Triplex.
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A bit early for its own thread. Pascal Praud has just become a name I didn't think I would be googling! He seems to be a local Nantes journalist that has also held positions at the club, so may know from the inside, but he is reporting it as done.
He is also a nationally-known sports journo who was on TF1 (main commercial channel in France) for 20-odd years. Not that we give a fuck any more!
So we could expect it to be pedigree reporting about the deal then?
I would think so, chum.
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I agree Brian. There is reason for cautious optimism the way the club approaching this transfer window. The fact that we have signed a couple of sought-after promising players from France with hopefully another to follow; certainly gives us more hope than anything since Snake Mk 1 walked out.
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A bit early for its own thread. Pascal Praud has just become a name I didn't think I would be googling! He seems to be a local Nantes journalist that has also held positions at the club, so may know from the inside, but he is reporting it as done.
He is also a nationally-known sports journo who was on TF1 (main commercial channel in France) for 20-odd years. Not that we give a fuck any more!
So we could expect it to be pedigree reporting about the deal then?
I would think so, chum.
Hopefully this new bloke can make us win a lot.
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You are such a Wagg
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If we can pick up Jordan mark III and Crespo, I would be very happy and optimistic for the coming season after our 2 big departures.
I would definitely now take the big man on loan from spuds with what we already have, old head, can bang em in when he is up for it.
I would also try and follow up with Tom carol fron spuds.
That would be it I feel, hopefully see a change in mentality at the way players see the Villa, and bag a prolific new centre forward this time next year, if Ade can have the season of his life. UTV.
I agree apart from I'd rather us bring in Cambiasso rather than Tom Carroll!
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*Cesar joke*
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MON signed, what, about 40 players, and how many of them weren't playing in the UK already?
Guzan, Carew ..... Who else?
The Togolese Zidane.
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the potential new geezer looks as fit as a butcher's pup
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A bit early for its own thread. Pascal Praud has just become a name I didn't think I would be googling! He seems to be a local Nantes journalist that has also held positions at the club, so may know from the inside, but he is reporting it as done.
He is also a nationally-known sports journo who was on TF1 (main commercial channel in France) for 20-odd years. Not that we give a fuck any more!
So we could expect it to be pedigree reporting about the deal then?
I would think so, chum.
Hopefully this new bloke can make us win a lot.
This transfer window is filling me with a lot of pride, the only bone of contention being that lying hound Delph.
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A bit early for its own thread. Pascal Praud has just become a name I didn't think I would be googling! He seems to be a local Nantes journalist that has also held positions at the club, so may know from the inside, but he is reporting it as done.
He is also a nationally-known sports journo who was on TF1 (main commercial channel in France) for 20-odd years. Not that we give a fuck any more!
So we could expect it to be pedigree reporting about the deal then?
I would think so, chum.
Thanks pal.
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Is this what Collymore meant when a few weeks.ago he said "exciting times ahead"? Rather than anything to do with the takeover?
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Is this what Collymore meant when a few weeks.ago he said "exciting times ahead"? Rather than anything to do with the takeover?
yep, I think he was throwing us a bonio
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
My God ! Julian & Sandy ? You must be as old as me.....😀
Round the Horne, and Beyond our Ken. Brilliant radio comedy shows. Can you get these programmes on CD, or whatever the latest techie thing is?
Yes, I am older than most on here, but thankfully still on the green side of the grass.
Don't know if they are on CD or other hard copies but if you go to Youtube you can download them to your hearts content. Round The Horne (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=round+the+horne+)
Thanks
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I hope we're not being sold a pup otherwise this could turn into a right old dogs dinner.
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I hope we're not being sold a pup otherwise this could turn into a right old dogs dinner.
No chance. He's the puppies plums.
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Impressive window it will be if we do get him.
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This bloke could have Salifou's song.
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And a pane if we don't;-)
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Is this what Collymore meant when a few weeks.ago he said "exciting times ahead"? Rather than anything to do with the takeover?
He did say that Fox had said the summer was more about bring people in than changing infrastructure (I think Collymore had asked about the North Stand rebuild).
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I'm slightly concerned that we might be throwing a few French League players up a wall and seeing how many will stick. I'm still pleased though, particularly if we sign Veretout. They key will be the balance between the Non French players and the French ones.
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I hope we're not being sold a pup otherwise this could turn into a right old dogs dinner.
No chance. He's the puppies plums.
Let's hope he doesn't get neutered.
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Impressive window it will be if we do get him.
I really admire your knowledge of the French football scene as I haven't got a clue who or how good, bad, average or shit any of these players we have bought or being linked with are. The very fact that you see it as an 'impressive window if we get him' makes me feel very slightly optimistic and only so because others seem impressed by this particular Jordan.
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Not a thing on SSN about this.
Not saying everything on there is gospel but they broke our previous signings pretty early on.
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Impressive window it will be if we do get him.
Another striker is now the number one priority. If we get one along with this lad then it will have been a good window.
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If this goes through I may end up getting a new flag the start of the season. This one seems quite appropriate.
(http://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/1835587/preview/stock-footage-jordan-flag.jpg)
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Is this what Collymore meant when a few weeks.ago he said "exciting times ahead"? Rather than anything to do with the takeover?
He did say that Fox had said the summer was more about bring people in than changing infrastructure (I think Collymore had asked about the North Stand rebuild).
Well it was Karcher'd. Who needs a new stand. :-)
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
My God ! Julian & Sandy ? You must be as old as me.....😀
Round the Horne, and Beyond our Ken. Brilliant radio comedy shows. Can you get these programmes on CD, or whatever the latest techie thing is?
Yes, I am older than most on here, but thankfully still on the green side of the grass.
Don't know if they are on CD or other hard copies but if you go to Youtube you can download them to your hearts content. Round The Horne (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=round+the+horne+)
I've got a couple of old cassettes of episodes as issued by the BBC. Wonderful listening, and yes, I still have a device for playing them.
I've got series 2 on CD, I guess other series are available too. Still funny 50 years on.
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Not a thing on SSN about this.
Not saying everything on there is gospel but they broke our previous signings pretty early on.
Sky just picking this up now. Quoting the Birmingham Mail
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May be the new TS tactic is to confuse the ref when it comes to bookings and sendings off in the style of Monty Python...
"I'm Jordan"
"No, I'm Jordan"
"He's an imposter...I'm Jordan"
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfer-rumour-mill-9740601
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I like how Veretout is being described as an all action midfielder. Could he be our new James Milner?*
*picks at scab
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
Fantastic.
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Daily Star and TalkSport have both reported that Veretout is joining us, although they're both (along with the others) just quoting the same source and assuming it's us. Doesn't seem to be any contradictory reports though of a move to Liverpool or Spurs..
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http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Jordan-veretout-nantes-proche-d-aston-villa/577397
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
I wonder what's in those boxes ? shooting boots ? ;)
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The Doc
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It's being reported in enough places in France that one hopes there is some truth to this. What a good signing this would be, given his age, potential and the clubs that were linked with him very recently. Paddy deserves a gold star for his efforts so far this window if this one does come off.
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
I wonder what's in those boxes ? shooting boots ? ;)
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The Doc
Yes, for everyone at Aston Villa
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
I wonder what's in those boxes ? shooting boots ? ;)
UTV
The Doc
Yes, for everyone at Aston Villa
give Tonev a pair or two Jordan...
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The Doc
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
Wow, that's a LOT of printer paper.
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Jordan Veretout's Characteristics
+ Strengths
Taking set-pieces
Very Strong
Key passes
Strong
Through balls
Strong
Finishing
Strong
- Weaknesses
Aerial Duels
Weak
Tackling
Weak
Concentration
Weak
Jordan Veretout's Style of Play
Does not dive into tackles
© WhoScored.com
The French Paul Scholes?
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
Wow, that's a LOT of printer paper.
Hope someone told him not to bother packing any t-shirts
*points at SHIT "summer" weather*
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
Wow, that's a LOT of printer paper.
Hope someone told him not to bother packing any t-shirts
*points at SHIT "summer" weather*
he'll need some sort of headwear....a Fedora I suspect..or a Balaclava...:)
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The Doc
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Jordan Veretout's Characteristics
+ Strengths
Taking set-pieces
Very Strong
Key passes
Strong
Through balls
Strong
Finishing
Strong
- Weaknesses
Aerial Duels
Weak
Tackling
Weak
Concentration
Weak
Jordan Veretout's Style of Play
Does not dive into tackles
© WhoScored.com
The French Paul Scholes?
I dont think not being willing to dive in was something Scholes was bothered by.
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PS: Porcelanosa!
I've always thought that name sounds like Polari. That's what Julian and Sandy would have called the toilet.
My God ! Julian & Sandy ? You must be as old as me.....😀
Round the Horne, and Beyond our Ken. Brilliant radio comedy shows. Can you get these programmes on CD, or whatever the latest techie thing is?
Yes, I am older than most on here, but thankfully still on the green side of the grass.
But not older than me I suspect. Now then, do you have a radio/cd player that also says MP3 on it. If so you are laughing. If you have a personal MP3 player you are also laughing. Look on ebay and you will find Round The Horne MP3 discs for under £2. I have just looked at mine it has 70 episodes on it! You can get most of the shows from the sixties dead cheap or conversely download them for nothing off the internet. Round The Horne was brilliant as was Im Sorry I'll Read That Again.
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I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence Ron. Unbelievably funny. I used to go around to my mates house on Sunday afternoon to listen to it. It was always something to look forward to.
Something else I used to find funny was, The News Huddlines with, obviously Roy Hudd. I used to listen to it whilst in the car on the way to refereeing matches o some Saturday afternoons.
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for some reason your conversation's inspired me to re-listen to some Derek and Clive on Deezer. Still extraordinarily crude and laugh out loud funny.
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https://twitter.com/GFN_France/status/625983903069798400
Wow, that's a LOT of printer paper.
Hope someone told him not to bother packing any t-shirts
*points at SHIT "summer" weather*
34C and sunny here today. In fact it should be that way for a few days to come before it settles back to being a chilly 24-26C and sunny over the coming weeks.
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That's it, go on, rub it in! Pissing rain here.
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Jordan Veretout's Characteristics
+ Strengths
Taking set-pieces
Very Strong
Key passes
Strong
Through balls
Strong
Finishing
Strong
At long last. Who was the last midfielder in our team that that could do that?
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Jordan Veretout's Characteristics
+ Strengths
Taking set-pieces
Very Strong
Key passes
Strong
Through balls
Strong
Finishing
Strong
At long last. Who was the last midfielder in our team that that could do that?
I already picked the scab and mentioned his name...
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When you look back over the last few years you have to go back to Pubehead and that season where we only seemed to score from set pieces to recall anybody other than Benteke scoring from a corner. We've been so crap with the delivery, games where we've been in double figures with corners and done nothing with them, you ended up disappointed when we got a corner.
Veretout really looks like he knows how to whip a ball in and now with Richards to aim at, we'll finally have our first centre half since Martin Laursen to actually score a few goals. I really hope we can get this lad, he looks a cracking, powerful player both from set and open play.
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Is Veretout in the UK - any news on a medical??
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This bloke could have Salifou's song.
Salifou fou fou, push pineapple shake the tree!!!
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Worryingly a lot of the links seem to have disappeared?
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French media still seem to think it's on but always the possibility of a slip between the cup and the mouth, just to get Trollopian about it
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Worryingly a lot of the links seem to have disappeared?
How much more can be written about the same thing? The French media have it as a done deal, but we won't know for sure until he actually shows up in England. If you keep refreshing Newsnow you'll go mental though I realize it is massively tempting :)
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someone has tweeted in the last hour or so it's done and due to be announced tomorrow; but I can't remember who the tweeter was. Maybe the monkeyman
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I can't remember who the tweeter was. Maybe the monkeyman
Hope he's not made a howler
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I can't remember who the tweeter was. Maybe the monkeyman
Hope he's not made a howler
I'll go ape if we sign him.
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someone has tweeted in the last hour or so it's done and due to be announced tomorrow; but I can't remember who the tweeter was. Maybe the monkeyman
Its was Jonathan Johnson on twitter (ligue 1 journo) he was spot on with all ligue 1 Villa related stuff to date
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If - and I emphasise the word "if" - we've signed this bloke, I suspect we may have pulled off a coup of Bentekian proportions, judging by the interest he's getting online. Fingers crossed.
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If this one and Adabeyor comes off we'll be just about finished as regards buying players won't we?
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I can't be arsed to think of a pun but signing this chap looks like very exciting business.
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If - and I emphasise the word "if" - we've signed this bloke, I suspect we may have pulled off a coup of Bentekian proportions, judging by the interest he's getting online. Fingers crossed.
Couldn't agree more. From what I'm reading, the kid can play and we've made a major coup in signing him. If we've signed him.
Been refreshing H&V all day waiting to see this thread turn to "SIGNED". Fingers crossed.
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On his way. allegedly. I really hope we sign this guy......................Godzvilla!
" Presse Ocean report that Veretout is on his way to Birmingham to finalise a deal with Aston Villa, becoming Tim Sherwood's latest signing - and a possible replacement for Fabian Delph" .
see :http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/28/french-press-jordan-veretout-still-poised-for-aston-villa-deal-d/?
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Leicester have outbid us for him according to the same journo's.
Not sure how that works since our offer has already been accepted!?
Either way, I would be shocked if he choose Leicester over us and our new French contingent signings
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as ever money will talk on fee and salary but hopefully he'll see our vision for the future is better than theirs
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If this one and Adabeyor comes off we'll be just about finished as regards buying players won't we?
There ought to be money for money. Without counting I doubt we've spent the Benteke/Delph/Weimann/Lowton money yet. There ought to be a reasonable amount on top of that in the coffers.
Then again it may be worth leaving a bit in the piggy bank for January. If the new signings (mostly) play to their reputations we should be well and truly comfortable. If a couple flop we could be back in the sticky stuff.
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Very excited if this comes off .From the depths to a player of the Pogba class.
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Leicester have had a bid accepted.
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Even as a rough estimate we have only spent £30m with at least £45m coming in. With Benteke's, Delph's, Given's, Bent's and Wiemann's wages at least £350k a week we should have a lot to play with, so there might be a few more yet.
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Leicester have had a bid accepted.
Doesn't make sense. Why would they bid higher than a bid that's already been accepted?
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At this point I'm wondering if we put in a bid for Jordan Spieth.
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Fucking Leicester? Fuck off, he's as good as signed.
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Leicester have had a bid accepted.
The only news source I can find is that Leicester have bid more than us, from 1 guy on twitter, nothing about a bid being accepted, where's the link?
EDIT: http://www.first4lcfc.co.uk/blog/leicester-city-make-bid-for-aston-villa-and-liverpool-target-jordan-veretout/?
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At this point I'm wondering if we put in a bid for Jordan Spieth.
Nah, he's shit.
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Leicester, fucking LOL
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At this point I'm wondering if we put in a bid for Jordan Spieth.
Nah, he's shit.
Michael Jordan then?
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Leicester have had a bid accepted.
Doesn't make sense. Why would they bid higher than a bid that's already been accepted?
If he's not got a release clause in his contract, then it turns into a "biding war" © SKY as the selling club can then say he can only negotiate terms with the club that's bid highest.
If Leicester have bid more, but he doesn't fancy eating crisps for 4 years Nantes are laughing if they don't want to sell, unless he does a Benteke (at Genk) / Ayew to force the issue.
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester. Success 30 years ago means nothing.
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Ranieri will be known to him.
If he signs for them we've become a laughing stock etc
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester. Success 30 years ago means nothing.
But most people in Football are clued up that we've finished in the top 6 quite a few times in the last decade, and made a few Cup finals. Leicester have yo-yo'd a bit and generally done fuck all. Even with tinted spectacles we trump Leicester on everything imaginable.
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Jordan Graham will be wishing he'd stayed
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester. Success 30 years ago means nothing.
But most people in Football are clued up that we've finished in the top 6 quite a few times in the last decade, and made a few Cup finals. Leicester have yo-yo'd a bit and generally done fuck all. Even with tinted spectacles we trump Leicester on everything imaginable.
Who finished in the top 6 in France over the last decade? Without looking at it? I doubt Veretout cares a shite for Villa, leicester, or where we are/were compared to them over the past decade.
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Well, so far, considering this could be 'hot' transfer news, there's still only two articles on it, and one of those is from 7500 to the Holte.
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Once he finds out those two twats from Kasabian are Les-tah supporters he's ours.
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester.
I disagree. I think he would have at least heard of Aston Villa.
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You see that's more likely.
If the deal is as far down the line as has been seemingly suggested then I'd be surprised if Leicester have bid and had it accepted. Clubs don't try and gazump clubs and selling clubs tend to honour clubs they are selling a player to. More than one can have a bid accepted, but usually if one has had a bid accepted, the player has travelled or looking to travel, any 11th hour attempts from another club is usually rebuffed.
IF Leicester have made a hgiher bid then it makes me wonder if they are trying to flick Vs at us. Maybe Cambiasso was going to sign for them until we stepped in?
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester. Success 30 years ago means nothing.
But surely he would have heard about us winning the peace cup not so many years ago.
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If it was all about name then Aguero and Toure would play for Yanited. It's mostly about money, let's be honest here.
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester.
I disagree. I think he would have at least heard of Aston Villa.
The French football public know Villa as we have been in the top flight for 27 years now, and we have been in a few finals too. We also have a recognisable name, though no longer a top team. Leicester will be unknown and mispronounced.
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Leicester will be unknown and mispronounced.
And, bottom of the table
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Sherwood v Ranieri...
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No one even knows if we're in for him. All I've seen today is a quote from their president stating a PL club have bid for him. Everyone has jumped to conclusions and assumed it was Villa, perhaps it never was.
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Le Icester
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester.
I disagree. I think he would have at least heard of Aston Villa.
Depends on the sort of wages Leicester would offer. Chances are they could offer better money now given Lerners fixation with controlling the wage bill.
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It's a bit sneaky bidding for him while we're away playing in some uncivilised badlands where they probably don't have running water, let alone decent phone coverage.
Hopefully we'll just sign him tomorrow.
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Quite liked the idea of signing him, despite us having nothing concrete that we'd even actually put a bin in. Be a shame if we don't get him now, I feel.
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I'm panicking here, I haven't heard anything about this for approximately three-quarters of an hour! I'd really like this one to happen.
Wikipedia thinks we've already signed him:
Jordan Veretout (born 1 March 1993 in Ancenis) is a French footballer who plays for English club Aston Villa FC in Premier League. He plays as a midfielder. Veretout made his professional debut on 13 May 2011 in a league match against Sedan.[1] He made his first start the following season in the team's opening match of the campaign; a 1–0 extra time win over Reims in the Coupe de la Ligue.[2] Veretout is a France youth international having represented his nation at under-18 and under-19 level. Veretout joined English Club Aston Villa in July 2015 for an initial fee of £12m potentially rising to £16m.
Wikipedia have now changed their mind:
Jordan Veretout (born 1 March 1993 in Ancenis) is a French footballer who plays for French club Nantes in Ligue 1. He plays as a midfielder. Veretout made his professional debut on 13 May 2011 in a league match against Sedan.[1] He made his first start the following season in the team's opening match of the campaign; a 1–0 extra time win over Reims in the Coupe de la Ligue.[2] Veretout is a France youth international having represented his nation at under-18 and under-19 level.
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Considering that until about 6 am today I'd never heard of this bloke I shall now be irrationally hacked off if he goes to Leicester.
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester.
I disagree. I think he would have at least heard of Aston Villa.
Depends on the sort of wages Leicester would offer. Chances are they could offer better money now given Lerners fixation with controlling the wage bill.
The wages will still be bound by the respective turnovers of the clubs. I'd guess that ours is still considerably more than Leicester's.
In fairness all Randy is doing now is running the club how he should have done in the first place.
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It seems that Leicester also had a late bid for James Chester after Smethwick had made an offer.
Maybe their plan is... don't bother with scouts, just wait for a fellow relegation-battling side from last year to bid for a player then gazump them with a higher offer, using the money they saved from not bothering paying scouts.
Pretty cunning, I have to say.
Let's pretend we've made a £14 million offer for N'Zogbia.... it might just work!
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It seems that Leicester also had a late bid for James Chester after Smethwick had made an offer.
Maybe their plan is... don't bother with scouts, just wait for a fellow relegation-battling side from last year to bid for a player then gazump them with a higher offer, using the money they saved from not bothering paying scouts.
Pretty cunning, I have to say.
Let's pretend we've made a £14 million offer for N'Zogbia.... it might just work!
Or Doug is now chairman of Leicester.
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I can't think of many examples of genuine gazzumpings in football transfer world. First mover advantage seems to count for a lot.
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Why offer more?
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Maybe they've found out about a release clause and they're trying to start a bidding war?
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To a young french kid Villa are no bigger than Leicester. Success 30 years ago means nothing.
Utter rubbish.......Anyway IF we are after him then I think that the fact that we have signed three players from the same league will stand us in good stead.
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Wikipedia have now changed their mind:
Jordan Veretout (born 1 March 1993 in Ancenis) is a French footballer who plays for French club Nantes in Ligue 1. He plays as a midfielder. Veretout made his professional debut on 13 May 2011 in a league match against Sedan.[1] He made his first start the following season in the team's opening match of the campaign; a 1–0 extra time win over Reims in the Coupe de la Ligue.[2] Veretout is a France youth international having represented his nation at under-18 and under-19 level.
I really wouldn't take what somebody has edited Wikipedia to say particularly seriously Frank.
Jordan Veretout (born 1 March 1993 in Ancenis) is a French footballer whose head is shaped like a large purple balloon. He plays as a midfielder. Veretout made his professional debut on 13 May 2011 in a league match against Sedan.[1] He made his first start the following season in the team's opening match of the campaign; a 1–0 extra time win over Reims in the Coupe de la Ligue.[2] Veretout is a France youth international having represented his nation at under-18 and under-19 level.
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If he comes, great. If he chooses to go to a shithouse club like Leicester we'll know he's got no ambition. We only want players who want to be here after all.
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I can't think of many examples of genuine gazzumpings in football transfer world. First mover advantage seems to count for a lot.
Marlon Harewood.
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El Presidente said he was coming to a big English club. There's no way on this fucking earth that it's Leicester.
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Considering that until about 6 am today I'd never heard of this bloke I shall now be irrationally hacked off if he goes to Leicester.
Me too.
I don't know anything about any of these players - except Adebayor.
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I hope this doesn't make me sound bigoted, but I've gone off him a bit since I heard about his alleged large purple balloon-shaped head.
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Whispers on twitter said he'll sign before Forest game
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Looking at the Leicester boards they think he's nailed on for us so... they could have a Gabby if they wanted..?
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We have got our man according to LeParisien (http://m.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-aston-villa-et-le-fc-nantes-d-accord-pour-le-transfert-de-veretout-28-07-2015-4975585.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2F13637-jordan-veretout%2Fpage-26).
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It seems that Leicester also had a late bid for James Chester after Smethwick had made an offer.
Maybe their plan is... don't bother with scouts, just wait for a fellow relegation-battling side from last year to bid for a player then gazump them with a higher offer, using the money they saved from not bothering paying scouts.
Pretty cunning, I have to say.
Let's pretend we've made a £14 million offer for N'Zogbia.... it might just work!
Apparently they're also trying to outbid Chelsea for a Chilean winger...I think someone has a large wooden spoon.
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We have got our man according to LeParisien (http://m.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-aston-villa-et-le-fc-nantes-d-accord-pour-le-transfert-de-veretout-28-07-2015-4975585.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2F13637-jordan-veretout%2Fpage-26).
I like this bit "Leicester tried to outbid, but in vain."
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We have got our man according to LeParisien (http://m.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-aston-villa-et-le-fc-nantes-d-accord-pour-le-transfert-de-veretout-28-07-2015-4975585.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2F13637-jordan-veretout%2Fpage-26).
I always look to Le Parisien these days for my most up to date Villa bulletins.
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I think it says £10m Euro's that's about £7m quid isn't it? If it happens, to quote Harry, top top player.
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I have never seen him to play but I am confident that he can be any good as he comes from Nantes that boasts one of the best Academies of France.
Probably he and Gueyè are our best signigns.
Is Veretout an attacking midfielder?
Where do you think he could play in the next formation, then? Winger in 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, in the hole in 4-2-3-1 or in which other position?
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It says he must sign a 5 year contract ha ha
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We have got our man according to LeParisien (http://m.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-aston-villa-et-le-fc-nantes-d-accord-pour-le-transfert-de-veretout-28-07-2015-4975585.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2F13637-jordan-veretout%2Fpage-26).
I like this bit "Leicester tried to outbid, but in vain."
That needs to be said in black and white,while portentous music plays in the background.
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I hope this doesn't make me sound bigoted, but I've gone off him a bit since I heard about his alleged large purple balloon-shaped head.
Yeh, the Ribena twat.
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I hope this doesn't make me sound bigoted, but I've gone off him a bit since I heard about his alleged large purple balloon-shaped head.
Yeh, the Ribena twat.
Yes. I don't mind him being purple, and I don't mind him being balloon-shaped. But it's got to be one of those long balloons that are a right bastard to blow up or he can fuck off to Leicester.
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We have got our man according to LeParisien (http://m.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-aston-villa-et-le-fc-nantes-d-accord-pour-le-transfert-de-veretout-28-07-2015-4975585.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2F13637-jordan-veretout%2Fpage-26).
FFS, don't these Frenchies know what the language of the bleedin' internet is!
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I have never seen him to play but I am confident that he can be any good as he comes from Nantes that boasts one of the best Academies of France.
Probably he and Gueyè are our best signigns.
Is Veretout an attacking midfielder?
Where do you think he could play in the next formation, then? Winger in 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, in the hole in 4-2-3-1 or in which other position?
I think he can play deeper than that, style wise he seems similar to Delph in that he's got loads of drive, can skip away from tackles and will work hard for the team, the difference is that Veretout seems to have added the goals and assists that Delph never quite managed. I suspect we'll either see him as 1 of a 2 or 3 in the middle or sometimes as a 10. I say all this based on a few youtube videos though. I'm waiting to hear back from my friend over in France who has got me super excited about Amavi (and who thinks Gueye and Ayew should be good for what we need now but are maybe not top 6 class if that becomes a requirement).
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We have got our man according to LeParisien (http://m.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-aston-villa-et-le-fc-nantes-d-accord-pour-le-transfert-de-veretout-28-07-2015-4975585.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2F13637-jordan-veretout%2Fpage-26).
FFS, don't these Frenchies know what the language of the bleedin' internet is!
Chrome automatically translates it for you!
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looks a lot like the sort of player a lot of people here still have a lot of time for.....JM?
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We have got our man according to LeParisien (http://m.leparisien.fr/sports/football/mercato-aston-villa-et-le-fc-nantes-d-accord-pour-le-transfert-de-veretout-28-07-2015-4975585.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2F13637-jordan-veretout%2Fpage-26).
FFS, don't these Frenchies know what the language of the bleedin' internet is!
Chrome automatically translates it for you!
What if you haven't got a scooter?
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That is who he reminded me of watching his clips. I do hope we get him in, it is as important a signing as any forward we make.
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we went backwards after Milner left us, even more so when Ireland came in his place..
fingers crossed
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Ranieiri apparently refused to talk about Veretout but denied interest in Chester after the Burton Leicester game tonight, so they are taking that as them still being in with a good chance of getting him.
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Ranieri will be his coach for about three matches!
All French press saying he's joining us so that's good enough for me.
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Ranieiri apparently refused to talk about Veretout but denied interest in Chester after the Burton Leicester game tonight, so they are taking that as them still being in with a good chance of getting him.
But he did say they were close to signing a midfielder.
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Looking at the Leicester boards they think he's nailed on for us so... they could have a Gabby if they wanted..?
They need Gabby and N'Zog for around £20'Million.
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Ranieiri apparently refused to talk about Veretout but denied interest in Chester after the Burton Leicester game tonight, so they are taking that as them still being in with a good chance of getting him.
But he did say they were close to signing a midfielder.
Hopefully it's that Chilean bloke.
I quite like the idea of us getting Veretout now.
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Veretout is the one addition that will be essential for this seasons campaign. We must pull out all the stops to get him.To lose him to a club like Leicester would be a disaster in my view.
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It was Southampton who apparently came in for Gueye at the last minute wasn't it? If it comes down to who offers the best contract I see no reason it wouldn't be us.
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this time yesterday I'd never heard of the geezer. Now, with the awful Adebayor and Berbaglacier shit, I'd be hugely disappointed if he doesn't come. Don't no why, but I would.
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I hope this doesn't make me sound bigoted, but I've gone off him a bit since I heard about his alleged large purple balloon-shaped head.
Yeh, the Ribena twat.
Yes. I don't mind him being purple, and I don't mind him being balloon-shaped. But it's got to be one of those long balloons that are a right bastard to blow up or he can fuck off to Leicester.
Balloonists!
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this time yesterday I'd never heard of the geezer. Now, with the awful Adebayor and Berbaglacier shit, I'd be hugely disappointed if he doesn't come. Don't no why, but I would.
That's exactly my thought too. I tested the water last night and signed him on the ever dependable, football Manager. Played him as a deep lying playmaker and a box to box midfielder. He was excellent.
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don't raise my hopes even further Holte! fingers crossed this one comes off, everyone who knows French football seem to rate him
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French media still reporting today it's on to us and that Nante will honour our offer
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French media still reporting today it's on to us and that Nante will honour our offer
This will be done today is we really are trying to sign him. Hoping this comes off as would be a great signing.
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
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There is a Nantes facebook account that's reporting that we've signed him. 5 year contract. 10m Euro.
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
whaaaaattttttt ????? :o :-\ :'(
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About the only time everybody on here seems to be in agreement
We all want him to sign for Aston Villa!
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Really? I thought they both ran simultaneously. Thanks for clearing that up.
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Yeah, real life is rubbish.
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@GFN_France: Nantes President Waldemar Kita confirms that he plans to sell Jordan Veretout to Aston Villa instead of Leicester City. More to follow.
Nantes President confirms he’s set to sell Veretout to Villa
Nantes President Waldemar Kita has confirmed to L’Équipe that while Leicester City have made a better offer for central midfielder Jordan Veretout, he plans to sell the player to Aston Villa.
He had the following to say:
“He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction. They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision. I’m set to lose €5m (by taking Villa’s deal and not Leicester’s). I am a pillock. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk.”
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@GFN_France: Nantes President Waldemar Kita confirms that he plans to sell Jordan Veretout to Aston Villa instead of Leicester City. More to follow.
Nantes President confirms he’s set to sell Veretout to Villa
Nantes President Waldemar Kita has confirmed to L’Équipe that while Leicester City have made a better offer for central midfielder Jordan Veretout, he plans to sell the player to Aston Villa.
He had the following to say:
“He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction. They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision. I’m set to lose €5m (by taking Villa’s deal and not Leicester’s). I am a pillock. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk.”
We better not fuck this up now. Total opposite to Lorient. Fair play to Nantes, massive respect.
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@GFN_France: Nantes President Waldemar Kita confirms that he plans to sell Jordan Veretout to Aston Villa instead of Leicester City. More to follow.
Nantes President confirms he’s set to sell Veretout to Villa
Nantes President Waldemar Kita has confirmed to L’Équipe that while Leicester City have made a better offer for central midfielder Jordan Veretout, he plans to sell the player to Aston Villa.
He had the following to say:
“He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction. @GFN_France: Nantes President Waldemar Kita confirms that he plans to sell Jordan Veretout to Aston Villa instead of Leicester City. More to follow.
Nantes President confirms he’s set to sell Veretout to Villa
Nantes President Waldemar Kita has confirmed to L’Équipe that while Leicester City have made a better offer for central midfielder Jordan Veretout, he plans to sell the player to Aston Villa.
He had the following to say:
“He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction. They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision. I’m set to lose €5m (by taking Villa’s deal and not Leicester’s). I am a pillock. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk.”
. They have until this evening to take a decision. I’m set to lose €5m (by taking Villa’s deal and not Leicester’s). I am a pillock. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk.”
Finally after nine years, it's clear what Doug's does in his role as President Emeritus.
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@GFN_France: Nantes President Waldemar Kita confirms that he plans to sell Jordan Veretout to Aston Villa instead of Leicester City. More to follow.
Nantes President confirms he’s set to sell Veretout to Villa
Nantes President Waldemar Kita has confirmed to L’Équipe that while Leicester City have made a better offer for central midfielder Jordan Veretout, he plans to sell the player to Aston Villa.
He had the following to say:
“He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction. They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision. I’m set to lose €5m (by taking Villa’s deal and not Leicester’s). I am a pillock. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk.”
We better not fuck this up now. Total opposite to Lorient. Fair play to Nantes, massive respect.
Can he be our President ?? :D
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Interesting comment at the bottom of this article:
Pres. Nantes: 'Veretout-Aston Villa, è quasi fatta' ('Veretout-Aston Villa, it's nearly done') (http://www.calciomercato.com/news/pres-nantes-veretout-aston-villa-e-quasi-fatta-576077) (calciomercato.com)
Gran bel giocatore: con Kondogbia e Pogba ha costituito il centrocampo della Francia campione del mondo under 20, vero punto di forza della compagine transalpina. Peccato che in Italia non se lo sia filato nessuno.
Which roughly translates as:
Really fine player: along with Kondogbia and Pogba he made up the midfield in in the French Under-20 World Cup-winning team. Real point of strength in the trans-Alpine team. Shame that no-one in Italy has taken him.
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For that €5m difference we could give them Nzogbia?
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For that €5m difference we could give them Nzogbia?
and an extra £5m ?
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For that €5m difference we could give them Nzogbia?
and an extra £5m ?
and Gabby!
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Sounds like we are haggling over payment method then. Get the deal done Villa boys.
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BACS or CHAPS. We need to hold firm on this.
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BACS or CHAPS. We need to hold firm on this.
Post dated cheque I believe
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I have to go out for a few hours, I hope it's sorted by the time I get back. I can't understand why I'm so keen for this one to happen seeing as how I know absolutely nothing about him.
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Someone should tell my mate because he comes in and tells us how he's got teams from the conference into the championship, he's in his 30's
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I have to go out for a few hours, I hope it's sorted by the time I get back. I can't understand why I'm so keen for this one to happen seeing as how I know absolutely nothing about him.
because you want a team full of Jordans ?
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Am I alone in wondering what the French for "pillock" might be?
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LE pillock?
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Pilloq
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Someone should tell my mate because he comes in and tells us how he's got teams from the conference into the championship, he's in his 30's
Does he still live at home? Just a wild guess.
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Hopefully there will be a French pre-season tour next year then...
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BACS or CHAPS. We need to hold firm on this.
Telegraphic Transfer for international payments.
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Am I alone in wondering what the French for "pillock" might be?
Was just going to post exactly this.
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Am I alone in wondering what the French for "pillock" might be?
Le Lambert?
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
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Not really a direct translation but something like imbécile.
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BACS or CHAPS. We need to hold firm on this.
Faster payment Service. We don't want to be stung on the £25.00 Fee for making a CHAPS.
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It's SWIFT for international payments.
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Someone should tell my mate because he comes in and tells us how he's got teams from the conference into the championship, he's in his 30's
Does he still live at home? Just a wild guess.
As a mate of mine pointed out years ago to an older mate who had his own house and was being patronising to those of us who then still 'lived at home', technically by it's very definition everybody lives at home.
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Am I alone in wondering what the French for "pillock" might be?
Le Coq Sportif?
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Leicester have offered €5m more than we have? Slightly sceptical about that.
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I think we would be all be mightily peeved if we lose him due to haggling over payments.
Especially if he ended up at Leicester, sort it boys.
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Someone should tell my mate because he comes in and tells us how he's got teams from the conference into the championship, he's in his 30's
Does he still live at home? Just a wild guess.
As a mate of mine pointed out years ago to an older mate who had his own house and was being patronising to those of us who then still 'lived at home', technically by it's very definition everybody lives at home.
Bloody hell! With his parents then!
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Someone should tell my mate because he comes in and tells us how he's got teams from the conference into the championship, he's in his 30's
Does he still live at home? Just a wild guess.
As a mate of mine pointed out years ago to an older mate who had his own house and was being patronising to those of us who then still 'lived at home', technically by it's very definition everybody lives at home.
Shitting heck, does he also happen to be the world's foremost expert on the art of pedantry?
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
Personally I'd say honourable....
This is worrying '"He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction," Kita told the French newspaper. "They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision.
"I'm set to lose €5m. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk."
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If someone offered £3m more for benteke id want us to take it
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If someone offered £3m more for benteke id want us to take it
Too right, he's not our player any longer.
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If genuine, this transfer has being kept relatively quiet so lets hope any minor negotiations can be resolved amicably without risking losing out on this deal.
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
Personally I'd say honourable
Would you still consider it honourable if it were the other way round and we were losing the player to a lower offer?
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
Personally I'd say honourable
Would you still consider it honourable if it were the other way round and we were losing the player to a lower offer?
Depends on the circumstances of the player.
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Leicester have offered €5m more than we have? Slightly sceptical about that.
My guess it is the timing of receiving the €5m rather than the total transfer fee they would receive.
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If someone offered £3m more for benteke id want us to take it
I'm still surprised that nobody bid more than Liverpool...
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If someone offered £3m more for benteke id want us to take it
I'm still surprised that nobody bid more than Liverpool...
Yes, it's a real mystery.
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If someone offered £3m more for benteke id want us to take it
I'm still surprised that nobody bid more than Liverpool...
Yes, it's a real mystery.
Has anyone thought that Benteke may not "work" at another club and instead of him being the best it was us that brought the best out of him. Seemingly other than the usual lip service from Spurzzzzz not another serious sniff from anyone home or abroad
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If someone offered £3m more for benteke id want us to take it
I'm still surprised that nobody bid more than Liverpool...
Yes, it's a real mystery.
Has anyone thought that Benteke may not "work" at another club and instead of him being the best it was us that brought the best out of him. Seemingly other than the usual lip service from Spurzzzzz not another serious sniff from anyone home or abroad
Nah. Liverpool may not be a perfect match but if he stays fit I'd be surprised if he doesn't smash at least 20 goals this year.
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Transferwise always works for me
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The noise from Leicester City is getting louder.
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
Personally I'd say honourable
Would you still consider it honourable if it were the other way round and we were losing the player to a lower offer?
Depends on the circumstances of the player.
We did in a sense for Delph.
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The noise from Leicester City is getting louder.
Makes a change, normally it's the smell that's getting stronger.
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
Personally I'd say honourable....
This is worrying '"He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction," Kita told the French newspaper. "They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision.
"I'm set to lose €5m. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk."
It would appear the player wants to come to B6 and the chairman is respecting the player's decision even though apparently losing €5m in the process because Veretout played with commitment for the club until the end of season.
Perhaps there are some honourable people still in football. Just hope Villa don't dally too long and Leicester creep back in.
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
Personally I'd say honourable....
This is worrying '"He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction," Kita told the French newspaper. "They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision.
"I'm set to lose €5m. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk."
It would appear the player wants to come to B6 and the chairman is respecting the player's decision even though apparently losing €5m in the process because Veretout played with commitment for the club until the end of season.
Perhaps there are some honourable people still in football. Just hope Villa don't dally too long and Leicester creep back in.
We can play them in a couple of friendlies when we are in the CL. That will make up for it.
I imagine there might be a sell on percentage thrown in there, or some other performance based clause if they really have been honourable.
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Someone should tell my mate because he comes in and tells us how he's got teams from the conference into the championship, he's in his 30's
Does he still live at home? Just a wild guess.
As a mate of mine pointed out years ago to an older mate who had his own house and was being patronising to those of us who then still 'lived at home', technically by it's very definition everybody lives at home.
Bloody hell! With his parents then!
No he's Married ha ha
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There's a bit of a difference between FM and real life.
Someone should tell my mate because he comes in and tells us how he's got teams from the conference into the championship, he's in his 30's
Does he still live at home? Just a wild guess.
As a mate of mine pointed out years ago to an older mate who had his own house and was being patronising to those of us who then still 'lived at home', technically by it's very definition everybody lives at home.
Bloody hell! With his parents then!
No he's Married ha ha
awkward
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Apparently he used the word "couillon". Pillock is a nice way of putting it. Personally, I'd have said "stupid twat".
Personally I'd say honourable....
This is worrying '"He has made his choice, and I am going to go in his direction," Kita told the French newspaper. "They (Aston Villa) are haggling on certain details. They need to be careful because if they continue to haggle they might lose the player from right under their noses. They have until this evening to take a decision.
"I'm set to lose €5m. I would have never thought I would have done anything other than try to raise the price, but I am not going to go against the boy. He is a boy who has never done us wrong, who played the game right until the end, contrary to others, who did not sulk."
It would appear the player wants to come to B6 and the chairman is respecting the player's decision even though apparently losing €5m in the process because Veretout played with commitment for the club until the end of season.
Perhaps there are some honourable people still in football. Just hope Villa don't dally too long and Leicester creep back in.
Need to get this one done (even though I know nothing about him)
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The noise from Leicester City is getting louder.
The Club who the president of nantes has said he doesn't want to join? It's the players decision at the end of the day.
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The player wants to join us by all accounts and I'd be more concerned if Arsenal or Man U had made a late approach. Not Leicester.
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I've taken to the brilliant tactic of refreshing Twitter to see if any fresh news emerges. I can tell you the Nantes chairman has issued a warning to Villa about haggling. In fact I could tell you that many times over.
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The player wants to join us by all accounts and I'd be more concerned if Arsenal or Man U had made a late approach. Not Leicester.
If he's as good as touted I'm surprised there's not teams higher up the food-chain than us and Leicester taking an interest.
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Stop it Eamonn!
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But you could say that about any prospect , Why was there no "big club" after Benteke before we snapped him up ? :-\
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The player wants to join us by all accounts and I'd be more concerned if Arsenal or Man U had made a late approach. Not Leicester.
If he's as good as touted I'm surprised there's not teams higher up the food-chain than us and Leicester taking an interest.
we all know good Benteke is but why didn't other teams see what we saw and make that investment? Maybe he's a just an excellent prospect but not ready to be playing consistently at a higher level.
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The player wants to join us by all accounts and I'd be more concerned if Arsenal or Man U had made a late approach. Not Leicester.
If he's as good as touted I'm surprised there's not teams higher up the food-chain than us and Leicester taking an interest.
Maybe you should ring up Man City or Chelsea and have a word?
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The player wants to join us by all accounts and I'd be more concerned if Arsenal or Man U had made a late approach. Not Leicester.
If he's as good as touted I'm surprised there's not teams higher up the food-chain than us and Leicester taking an interest.
we all know good Benteke is but why didn't other teams see what we saw and make that investment? Maybe he's a just an excellent prospect but not ready to be playing consistently at a higher level.
The sad truth is they have the luxury of letting us give him a go, then paying a £20-30m premium to take him off our hands in a few years if he's as good as we hope.
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In effect, every good player on the planet is merely on loan from the moneybags Champions League clubs.
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He's probably better suited to waiting a couple of yrs before leaving France but we have to take the risk because ready made won't come
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Whispers on twitter says not done yet, he says Ade is stretching the shirt as we speak
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Come on. Sign him up.
He was bloody good in most of those Nantes' games I attended last season.
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"while two clubs of a championship nature desire bennett, sherwood's head to be scratched as lusts after him for amavi reserve. avfc"
You heard it here first.
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That sounds like it was produced by a football ITK algorithm.
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The absence of capital letters gives the game away.
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Pics of him at airport on twitter, definitely him but can't be sure where he's going
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Come on villa! Why haven't we signed him up yet???
Getting anxious here!!!
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
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Come on villa! Why haven't we signed him up yet???
Getting anxious here!!!
Picking up his duty free at Schiphol, apparently.
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I think we will hear something before 8pm.
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
Yeah I've got one. No idea how to upload on to here though.
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I think we will hear something before 8pm.
Doubt we'll hear anything today unless it was taken this am
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
Yeah I've got one. No idea how to upload on to here though.
How to... (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49988.0)
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
Yeah I've got one. No idea how to upload on to here though.
How to... (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49988.0)
Cheers. What about from a mobile?
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
Yet his information is gold dust.
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sorry chaps. Heard he came into Leicester airport in a Cessna.
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
Yeah I've got one. No idea how to upload on to here though.
(http://i.imgur.com/SdSSXXCl.jpg)
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
Yet his information is gold dust.
Do we know who he is?
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
Yeah I've got one. No idea how to upload on to here though.
How to... (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49988.0)
Cheers. What about from a mobile?
imgur.com
Download the image from Twitter or save it or whatever, then upload to there and copy the image URL and paste that into the image tags.
Not sure how to do it direct from Twitter.
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As Hop don't fly into Birmingham airport, so maybe it is true about him going via AMS?
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AMS?
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Amsterdam.
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
Yeah I've got one. No idea how to upload on to here though.
How to... (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49988.0)
Cheers. What about from a mobile?
Same, I think. I use PhotoBucket or FB.
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
Yet his information is gold dust.
Do we know who he is?
He's tweets crack me up
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
Yet his information is gold dust.
Do we know who he is?
He's tweets crack me up
He sounds like he's pretending to be foreign to me, like a character fro Allo Allo.
Certainly seems to know stuff though.
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
Yet his information is gold dust.
Do we know who he is?
He's tweets crack me up
His latest one has Veretout having "direct facials" with Sherwood tomorrow.
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Not a single signing all day - this isn't good enough.
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Sack the board. Bring back Lambert.
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
Yet his information is gold dust.
Do we know who he is?
He's tweets crack me up
His latest one has Veretout having "direct facials" with Sherwood tomorrow.
Saw that pissed myself, also about Sherwood lusting after Bennett
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@whispers_listen veretout 5 year avfc deal offering. interest from club, not in leicester.
His English is shocking!
Yet his information is gold dust.
Do we know who he is?
He's tweets crack me up
His latest one has Veretout having "direct facials" with Sherwood tomorrow.
(https://sisikman1.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/fs.jpg)
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An aside, but I've always thought it was irritatingly difficult to post photos on this site... particularly from a phone. I'd hope that, next time there's an update, it will be made easier, without the need to use a third-party website such as Imgur or Photobucket. If ever I was trying to post a spontaneous picture via a mobile, by the time I'd mastered the the particular Enigma variation to get a photo on H&V, the moment would've gone.
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aren't there pictures of him en route to Birmingham?
Yeah I've got one. No idea how to upload on to here though.
How to... (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49988.0)
Cheers. What about from a mobile?
imgur.com
Download the image from Twitter or save it or whatever, then upload to there and copy the image URL and paste that into the image tags.
Not sure how to do it direct from Twitter.
Right click mouse on twitter image.
Open image in new tab.
Get url from opened image. (https://pbs.twimg......etc)
Pop it in here.
You know the rest ;)
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An aside, but I've always thought it was irritatingly difficult to post photos on this site... particularly from a phone. I'd hope that, next time there's an update, it will be made easier, without the need to use a third-party website such as Imgur or Photobucket. If ever I was trying to post a spontaneous picture via a mobile, by the time I'd mastered the the particular Enigma variation to get a photo on H&V, the moment would've gone.
You'll find all message boards are like that.
When people post photos here, we don't host them, we just hold links to them. That also means that we're not coughing up money to pay for the bandwidth that gets hoovered up from photos, either.
Mind you, it's really not that difficult. Is there, say, a young child you can ask to help you work it out?
;-)
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Yeah but I'm posting from a Nexus 6 so I can't right click on Twitter pics. Not via the app anyway.
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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this is the photo posted on twitter.
(http://i.imgur.com/lfjmcGX.jpg)
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Nice hat.
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Jaunty.
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Fake, no way are those shoes real.
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shouldn't it be a beret? And his shirt should be blue and white stripes with onions around his neck? Maybe wearing an apron?
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Chic.
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Please sign.
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Dapper.
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If he is going via Amsterdam, no wonder it's taken all day. Schipol is fucking massive.
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An aside, but I've always thought it was irritatingly difficult to post photos on this site... particularly from a phone. I'd hope that, next time there's an update, it will be made easier, without the need to use a third-party website such as Imgur or Photobucket. If ever I was trying to post a spontaneous picture via a mobile, by the time I'd mastered the the particular Enigma variation to get a photo on H&V, the moment would've gone.
You'll find all message boards are like that.
When people post photos here, we don't host them, we just hold links to them. That also means that we're not coughing up money to pay for the bandwidth that gets hoovered up from photos, either.
Mind you, it's really not that difficult. Is there, say, a young child you can ask to help you work it out?
;-)
I'm not trusting a small child with my phone. I live in Yardley, they'd steal it. Then happy-slap me. Then set fire to it. Then set fire to me.
It's much easier to post photos on other forums. One I use has an option just to pick a photo from your phone memory or to actually take a photo then post it to the site pretty much instantly.
I'm aware that I probably could post a photo from my phone to H&V if I could really be arsed, but it should be possible to do so with a degree of spontaneity. Especially as I have a Three phone and can therefore only expect to receive signal for one out of every twenty minutes.
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If he is going via Amsterdam, no wonder it's taken all day. Schipol is fucking massive.
Good toilets. On my way back from Hamburg all those years ago I must have occupied then for about an hour until last call and full on clenching on the plane. I was sick as a dig for a week after that trip.
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Ive dashed across there many a time trying to get a connection on last call.
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An aside, but I've always thought it was irritatingly difficult to post photos on this site... particularly from a phone. I'd hope that, next time there's an update, it will be made easier, without the need to use a third-party website such as Imgur or Photobucket. If ever I was trying to post a spontaneous picture via a mobile, by the time I'd mastered the the particular Enigma variation to get a photo on H&V, the moment would've gone.
You'll find all message boards are like that.
When people post photos here, we don't host them, we just hold links to them. That also means that we're not coughing up money to pay for the bandwidth that gets hoovered up from photos, either.
Mind you, it's really not that difficult. Is there, say, a young child you can ask to help you work it out?
;-)
I'm not trusting a small child with my phone. I live in Yardley, they'd steal it. Then happy-slap me. Then set fire to it. Then set fire to me.
It's much easier to post photos on other forums. One I use has an option just to pick a photo from your phone memory or to actually take a photo then post it to the site pretty much instantly.
I'm aware that I probably could post a photo from my phone to H&V if I could really be arsed, but it should be possible to do so with a degree of spontaneity. Especially as I have a Three phone and can therefore only expect to receive signal for one out of every twenty minutes.
there are a few of us Yardley mate
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If he is going via Amsterdam, no wonder it's taken all day. Schipol is fucking massive.
Good toilets. On my way back from Hamburg all those years ago I must have occupied then for about an hour until last call and full on clenching on the plane. I was sick as a dig for a week after that trip.
I was busy with an enormous shit at Lubeck airport when travelling back from Hamburg when DBTW from here started a conversation through the locked door.
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If he is going via Amsterdam, no wonder it's taken all day. Schipol is fucking massive.
Good toilets. On my way back from Hamburg all those years ago I must have occupied then for about an hour until last call and full on clenching on the plane. I was sick as a dig for a week after that trip.
I was busy with an enormous shit at Lubeck airport when travelling back from Hamburg when DBTW from here started a conversation through the locked door.
What a delightful image of rural life that is.
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Another classic H&V tangent. From French midfielders to airport toilets
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So he should be arriving at Birmingham International tonight then?
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Leicester's version of danlanza (http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/101661-jordan-veretout/page-16)has got to the bottom of it...
Managed to come up with a conspiracy theory that makes sense (pretty 'desperate' one aswell)
We identify targets that aren't quite good enough and leak our interest in them. Villa (who I know had a poor scouting network under lambert) think he must be worth it if we are interested. We allow them to make the deal and come back in when too late just to make sure that they get it over the line.
can't find another explanation that allows me to look forward to a week on Saturday and what follows. I can't do another season like last. My hair fell out ages ago and my nails went with it.
Although to be fair it does seem that he's not being completely serious.
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Unless he is sick or needs a dump.
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I hate people who start conversations with you when you're in the shitter - or at the urinal.
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I hate people who start conversations with you when you're in the shitter - or at the urinal.
I would imagine it could be a bit awkward when you're 35,000 feet over the Atlantic and you can't remember if you switched the autopilot on. :)
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On youtube there are a set of rules about toilet etiquette. They should be followed at all times.
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I hate people who start conversations with you when you're in the shitter - or at the urinal.
You must move in different circles to me Chris!
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In case anyone hasn't seen it, this is the photo posted on twitter.
(http://i.imgur.com/lfjmcGX.jpg)
Its like a footy version of Trainspotting....Do people go to airports hoping to cross players of their twitter feed? These people must have Football Manager type knowledge to recognise every footballer. Id never heard of him before this week?
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain excreting.
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Should be on the 21.02 KLM arrival at BHX I reckon, if anyone happens to be in the vicinity. Should be some Villa people there to meet him and his agent.
and his red hat!
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i'll keep my eye open for the red hat
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I'm gutted that hat's not real
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There is the old saying Red Hat No Drawers. It is the ultimate omen of Timmy's intention to go for all three points every game.
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Seems to be a set piece taker
absolutely cracking free kick
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Are we sure that's amsterdam though? I've been there loads of times and the gates for the flights to Birmingham are nothing like that.
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There is the old saying Red Hat No Drawers. It is the ultimate omen of Timmy's intention to go for all three points every game.
Well he is going to meet with Sherwood for a facial so maybe it's to save some time?
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Can no one get to the airport in the next 20 minutes?
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The photo is at a French airport. The hand luggage size checker has HOP! (French airline) on it. If he was flying out of Nantes on HOP!, he was not flying to Amsterdam as I do not think they fly there. If he was connecting and flying to BHX, I would have thought that he would go through Paris.
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Seems to be a set piece taker
absolutely cracking free kick
I've scored a very similar free-kick before on the same computer game with Joe Bennett before.
I wouldn't say that it's necessarily a reason that we should sign him!
(or play Joe Bennett because of it)
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The photo is at a French airport. The hand luggage size checker has HOP! (French airline) on it. If he was flying out of Nantes on HOP!, he was not flying to Amsterdam as I do not think they fly there. If he was connecting and flying to BHX, I would have thought that he would go through Paris.
Not sure if the bold bit matters, if that's the budget airline that is based at the airport you get loads of those measures with their branding on, even if you're flying with someone else. That said I did think it was French because I've only seen that brand at Paris CDG and I've been through most of the major european airports in the last 18months or so.
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The photo was posted by a Nantes supporter who said he was flying to Amsterdam.
There's really not much reason to disbelieve him.
As others said, you get airline branding all over airports, not just at their check in areas, so he possibly wasn't flying with them.
We'll find out soon enough anyway.
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Do any other clubs fans have the same level of plane spotting Intel as Villa? Every summer there is plane related drama.
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Do any other clubs fans have the same level of plane spotting Intel as Villa? Every summer there is plane related drama.
I'm trying to Chip in with a witty comment but I'm having trouble processing any at the moment. Must be a memory problem.
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Do any other clubs fans have the same level of plane spotting Intel as Villa? Every summer there is plane related drama.
I'm trying to Chip in with a witty comment but I'm having trouble processing any at the moment. Must be a memory problem.
This is the issue posting from a tablet that is powered by an intel chip!
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There is the old saying Red Hat No Drawers. It is the ultimate omen of Timmy's intention to go for all three points every game.
Well he is going to meet with Sherwood for a facial so maybe it's to save some time?
Getting the Bryan Adams treatment then.
"You can't tell me we're not worth playing for..."
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He's meeting Sherwood for a facial?
They've obviously upped the "sing a song" initiation ceremony.
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He's meeting Sherwood for a facial?
They've obviously upped the "sing a song" initiation ceremony.
All Adebayor gets is a salute.
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If he is going via Amsterdam, no wonder it's taken all day. Schipol is fucking massive.
Good toilets. On my way back from Hamburg all those years ago I must have occupied then for about an hour until last call and full on clenching on the plane. I was sick as a dig for a week after that trip.
I was busy with an enormous shit at Lubeck airport when travelling back from Hamburg when DBTW from here started a conversation through the locked door.
Last time I saw the aforementioned DBTW he was stood on top of an old style red telephone box.
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He's meeting Sherwood for a facial?
They've obviously upped the "sing a song" initiation ceremony.
All Adebayor gets is a salute.
Very good
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He's meeting Sherwood for a facial?
They've obviously upped the "sing a song" initiation ceremony.
All Adebayor gets is a salute.
When Gazza was informed that he would be pulled off at half time by Terry Venables in his forst game for Spurs, he said "Blimey, we only got a piece of orange at Newcastle".
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He's meeting Sherwood for a facial?
They've obviously upped the "sing a song" initiation ceremony.
And people go on about rugby players!
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Is he still on to sign for us? Mail suggested that Leicester have nipped in?
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Is he still on to sign for us? Mail suggested that Leicester have nipped in?
Ha ha.
Have you been asleep for the last 24 hours?
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Is he still on to sign for us? Mail suggested that Leicester have nipped in?
Ha ha.
Have you been asleep for the last 24 hours?
Something like that! What's happened?
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Is he still on to sign for us? Mail suggested that Leicester have nipped in?
give it some time. They'll have the Albion making a bid before long.
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He's meeting Sherwood for a facial?
They've obviously upped the "sing a song" initiation ceremony.
All Adebayor gets is a salute.
When Gazza was informed that he would be pulled off at half time by Terry Venables in his forst game for Spurs, he said "Blimey, we only got a piece of orange at Newcastle".
That was Rodney Marsh to Don Revie when he made his debut for Inglund I think.
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He's meeting Sherwood for a facial?
They've obviously upped the "sing a song" initiation ceremony.
All Adebayor gets is a salute.
When Gazza was informed that he would be pulled off at half time by Terry Venables in his forst game for Spurs, he said "Blimey, we only got a piece of orange at Newcastle".
That was Rodney Marsh to Don Revie when he made his debut for Inglund I think.
Or Steve Bull at Wolves.
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
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Twitter now reporting Leics have beaten Leverkusen to a Sth American midfielder for 15m, never heard of this guy either.
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
It would be the best Villa incident since that time we hacked Liverpool's bank account and added a a couple of zeros to the transfer fee they thought they had paid for Downing.
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
There's far fetched and then there is this
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
There's far fetched and then there is this
Probably but it's worth making the rumour spread and hope that Nantes fans hear about it and get excited at the prospect amd they make it happen.
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Twitter now reporting Leics have beaten Leverkusen to a Sth American midfielder for 15m, never heard of this guy either.
Lets nip in there and take him an'all.
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
There's far fetched and then there is this
Probably but it's worth making the rumour spread and hope that Nantes fans hear about it and get excited at the prospect amd they make it happen.
N'Zogbia has been acting very, very strangely on twitter the last couple of days.
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
If it is, we should commission a bronze statue to whoever made this magic happen. And rename the newly jet washed North Stand after him too.
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I'd keep N'Zogbia. 1 year left on his contract? This is historically his territory.
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Twitter now reporting Leics have beaten Leverkusen to a Sth American midfielder for 15m, never heard of this guy either.
Aranguiz? One of the Chile players from this years Copa America. Supposed to be pretty decent.
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I'd keep N'Zogbia. 1 year left on his contract? This is historically his territory.
Interesting theory and one that would not amaze me if true . I suspect CNZ sees another big contract to close his career down
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I'd keep N'Zogbia. 1 year left on his contract? This is historically his territory.
Interesting theory and one that would not amaze me if true . I suspect CNZ sees another big contract to close his career down
The only problem with that is that you have to be half decent to get a big contract.
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
There's far fetched and then there is this
Probably but it's worth making the rumour spread and hope that Nantes fans hear about it and get excited at the prospect amd they make it happen.
Or keeping it quiet because we don't need the Nantes fans coming on here reading how good he is.
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Some speculation that N'Zogbia is part of the Veretout deal. Surely that would be too good to be true?
There's far fetched and then there is this
Probably but it's worth making the rumour spread and hope that Nantes fans hear about it and get excited at the prospect amd they make it happen.
Or keeping it quiet because we don't need the Nantes fans coming on here reading how good he is.
He could become there very own Stephen Ireland. What a man, what a player, what a ******.
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He could even have his own TV show "The Man Who Wears Wallpaper Pattern Clothes". I would watch it.
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Has he got off that fucking plane yet?
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with their tax regime it's bollocks though isn't it. Charles is not going anyway that swallows up 75% of his coin.
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This one feels like it's going cold. I know, I know it's only been a couple of days but lots of weird stuff in the press.
Also strange about Adebayor, he was clearly at BMH, seemed to be wrapped up then no announcement - maybe we're still haggling over the fee or waiting on other options.
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you might be right, it doesn't quite stack up at the moment but I hope I'm wrong
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Didn't the papers say yesterday he was due for talks in the next 48 hours? Then he was seen in an airport quite late last night, so no real reason anything should have happened early this morning.
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Well if he got the plane last night he probably checked into a hotel which would mean he'll get a facial from Tim today?
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If he gets a pedicure from Tom Fox, I don't think Leicester will be able to top that somehow.
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Rumours circulating that Leicester are back in with the offer of a shiatsu plus happy finish.
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Well if he got the plane last night he probably checked into a hotel which would mean he'll get a facial from Tim today?
And nobody likes to check out of a hotel early so no movement until after 11 probably.
I wonder if Tim is lusting after any other players in the meantime?
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If he gets a pedicure from Tom Fox, I don't think Leicester will be able to top that somehow.
So that's a facial from Sherwood and a foot job from Fox. It's still better than paying 75% tax I suppose.
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Rumours circulating that Leicester are back in with the offer of a shiatsu plus happy finish.
They had their happy finish last season. Then another one on their end of season tour.
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If he gets a pedicure from Tom Fox, I don't think Leicester will be able to top that somehow.
So that's a facial from Sherwood and a foot job from Fox. It's still better than paying 75% tax I suppose.
Well it's only 75% tax on earnings over whatever the threshold is, as that's how tax bands work. Plus I would be very surprised if footballers didn't use shell companies or other such methods to get paid through like contractors do, which would mean different tax rules.
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Well if he got the plane last night he probably checked into a hotel which would mean he'll get a facial from Tim today?
And nobody likes to check out of a hotel early so no movement until after 11 probably.
I wonder if Tim is lusting after any other players in the meantime?
well Di Maria has apparently gone missing as van Gaal doesn't even know where their nearly £60 million player is....;)
UTV
The Doc
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Rumours circulating that Leicester are back in with the offer of a shiatsu plus happy finish.
This is how far we have fallen. Uncle Doug would have given him a rough-house rim job and had the whole thing wrapped up by now.
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It's the offer of the pet dog that has clinched it for them.
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If he gets a pedicure from Tom Fox, I don't think Leicester will be able to top that somehow.
So that's a facial from Sherwood and a foot job from Fox. It's still better than paying 75% tax I suppose.
Well it's only 75% tax on earnings over whatever the threshold is, as that's how tax bands work. Plus I would be very surprised if footballers didn't use shell companies or other such methods to get paid through like contractors do, which would mean different tax rules.
I would imagine nearly all of a Ligue 1 footballer's wages are over that threshold
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But you're right, the main attraction would be the facial from Tim.
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If he gets a pedicure from Tom Fox, I don't think Leicester will be able to top that somehow.
So that's a facial from Sherwood and a foot job from Fox. It's still better than paying 75% tax I suppose.
Well it's only 75% tax on earnings over whatever the threshold is, as that's how tax bands work. Plus I would be very surprised if footballers didn't use shell companies or other such methods to get paid through like contractors do, which would mean different tax rules.
I don't know much about French tax (other than it's ridiculously high) but I'd be surprised if they were able to use companies to provide their services. You can't in the UK, and if they use companies it will only be for image rights, which have been clamped down on hard by HMRC.
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Plus I would be very surprised if footballers didn't use shell companies or other such methods to get paid through like contractors do, which would mean different tax rules.
In the UK at least the various leaked payslips that have appeared online over the years suggest not.
Other stuff like endorsements and image rights I would fully expect to tax-avoided to the max, but the normal salary that the club pays them would be taxed and NIed like any other PAYE employee.
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Rumours circulating that Leicester are back in with the offer of a shiatsu plus happy finish.
This is how far we have fallen. Uncle Doug would have given him a rough-house rim job and had the whole thing wrapped up by now.
I'm not sure you'd want his face anywhere near your ass hole.
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Glasgow Rangers got a heavy fine for off shoring player payments I recall
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Plus I would be very surprised if footballers didn't use shell companies or other such methods to get paid through like contractors do, which would mean different tax rules.
In the UK at least the various leaked payslips that have appeared online over the years suggest not.
Other stuff like endorsements and image rights I would fully expect to tax-avoided to the max, but the normal salary that the club pays them would be taxed and NIed like any other PAYE employee.
Fair enough I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
Still I think people assume a 75% tax rate is more severe than it actually is. I have often heard people expressing the opinion that they'd rather be paid 1 pound under the 50% threshold than just over it, for example, not realising that that would only avoid a tiny amount being taxed.
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Well if he got the plane last night he probably checked into a hotel which would mean he'll get a facial from Tim today?
And nobody likes to check out of a hotel early so no movement until after 11 probably.
I wonder if Tim is lusting after any other players in the meantime?
Right now he's probably going for one more refill at the coffee machine and filling his overnight bag with mini pastries and variety pack boxes of frosties, just to get his money's worth.
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Well if he got the plane last night he probably checked into a hotel which would mean he'll get a facial from Tim today?
And nobody likes to check out of a hotel early so no movement until after 11 probably.
I wonder if Tim is lusting after any other players in the meantime?
Right now he's probably going for one more refill at the coffee machine and filling his overnight bag with mini pastries and variety pack boxes of frosties, just to get his money's worth.
Don't forget the shower cap.
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I think it's really important we bolster the midfield, so hope this comes off.
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Plus I would be very surprised if footballers didn't use shell companies or other such methods to get paid through like contractors do, which would mean different tax rules.
In the UK at least the various leaked payslips that have appeared online over the years suggest not.
Other stuff like endorsements and image rights I would fully expect to tax-avoided to the max, but the normal salary that the club pays them would be taxed and NIed like any other PAYE employee.
Fair enough I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
Still I think people assume a 75% tax rate is more severe than it actually is. I have often heard people expressing the opinion that they'd rather be paid 1 pound under the 50% threshold than just over it, for example, not realising that that would only avoid a tiny amount being taxed.
Surely that's dependent on how much they're earning, and where the threshold is set?
FWIW the French 75% tax has been abolished now.
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I'd keep N'Zogbia. 1 year left on his contract? This is historically his territory.
This is quite a good point. We might get some decent performances out of him if he is playing for a new deal elsewhere. He is a half decent player when he can be arsed.
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I was actually quoting the Nantes president's own figures on 75% tax but apologise if I got it wrong. Anyway I think the delay here is that Jordan can't get out of those skinny jeans, and the other Jordan can't get in. Hence no facial job yet.
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I'd keep N'Zogbia. 1 year left on his contract? This is historically his territory.
This is quite a good point. We might get some decent performances out of him if he is playing for a new deal elsewhere. He is a half decent player when he can be arsed.
You've got a bloody good memory.
It's funny how in the past we got excited about a N'Zogbia performance not because he was good but because he wasn't as shit as he normally is.
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I'd keep N'Zogbia. 1 year left on his contract? This is historically his territory.
This is quite a good point. We might get some decent performances out of him if he is playing for a new deal elsewhere. He is a half decent player when he can be arsed.
You've got a bloody good memory.
It's funny how in the past we got excited about a N'Zogbia performance not because he was good but because he wasn't as shit as he normally is.
I cannot see us getting more than a couple of mil for him, so maybe it is worth keeping him for his final year of his contract. He might respond to half the team being French based.
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someone's just tweeted he is at BMH now
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Taxable income (Euros) Tax Rate %
Up to 9,690 0
9,690 to 26,764 14.0
26,764 to 71,754 30.0
71,754 to 151,956 41.0
151,956 + 45.0
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someone's just tweeted he is at BMH now
All I see is people saying Nantes want more cash now.
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I'd keep N'Zogbia. 1 year left on his contract? This is historically his territory.
This is quite a good point. We might get some decent performances out of him if he is playing for a new deal elsewhere. He is a half decent player when he can be arsed.
You've got a bloody good memory.
It's funny how in the past we got excited about a N'Zogbia performance not because he was good but because he wasn't as shit as he normally is.
I cannot see us getting more than a couple of mil for him, so maybe it is worth keeping him for his final year of his contract. He might respond to half the team being French based.
If he can't respond to being paid £45k a week for 5 years I'm doubting having a few mates around to speak French to will make a whole deal of difference. In the four years he's been with us I think I've seen him smile once. There's something very strange going on inside his head and as Paulie pointed out yesterday, his tweets are now very, very strange.
I think a change will be good for both. We should take whatever money we can get and run.
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Currently at BMH according to Aston Villa The Informer.
We shall see
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someone's just tweeted he is at BMH now
All I see is people saying Nantes want more cash now.
That doesn't sound right - Nantes President said he was taking less money than Leicester's offer as he's granting the wishes of the player......you've got no deal if the player says no to a club.
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Currently at BMH according to Aston Villa The Informer.
According to what?
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Here (https://www.facebook.com/AstonVillaTheInformer?fref=ts)
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Thanks Leeg
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Got that song by Snow in my head now. Better than that fucking Ka*ser Ch*efs song though.
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£27.63m for Benteke? Is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
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£27.63m for Benteke? Is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
15% to Genk?
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£27.63m for Benteke? Is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
15% to Genk?
Well the maths would work @ 15%. Can't remember what the rumours of the sell-on clause % were.
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£27.63m for Benteke? Is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
15% to Genk?
That makes sense.
Anyway the net spend is pathetic. Let's get 6 more in. Pull you finger out Lerner/Sherwood.
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£27.63m for Benteke? I, is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
No odder that £19.57m , that got all odd numbers in
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£27.63m for Benteke? I, is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
No odder that £19.57m , that got all odd numbers in
Yes but it's still as even as it ends in a '0' as well.
Jeez.
Sorry I've been aboard the pendantry warship.
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£27.63m for Benteke? Is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
15% to Genk?
yeh maybe.
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£27.63m for Benteke? I, is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
No odder that £19.57m , that got all odd numbers in
It has odd digits. £19,570,000 is an even number.
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A teacher and an accountant arguing semantics. This could last until the end of time.
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According to Aston Villa - The Informer on faceache... Veretout is on the pitch as wee speak at B6.
Waiting for confirmation obviously
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Looks like someone who looks remarkably similar to Veretout is at VP.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLK4jAGWwAEMpry.jpg)
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FFS didn't he believe we play on real grass?
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£27.63m for Benteke? I, is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
No odder that £19.57m , that got all odd numbers in
It has odd digits. £19,570,000 is an even number.
It may be £19,573,159.71!
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Ha! Well, if that photo is legit then I suppose we count another one in!
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£27.63m for Benteke? I, is that the initial payment and then the balance due in instalments? Seems an odd number.
No odder that £19.57m , that got all odd numbers in
It has odd digits. £19,570,000 is an even number.
It may be £19,573,159.71!
Not if it is rounded to the nearest whole £...
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Picture of him stretching the shirt in the middle of the pitch by the looks of things.
One good thing Twitter is for, a total invasion of privacy!
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No jaunty red hat. Nothing to see here.
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Yeah but who's taking the pictures?
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Looks like Not In The Shirt But On The Pitch to me, which is unusual situation.
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OTPHTSNTFT
On the pitch holding the shirt next to Father Ted.
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Looks like Not In The Shirt But On The Pitch to me, which is unusual situation.
Expecting the condemnation of the BBC
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Don't know if it has been mentioned but isn't that red hat lifted out of The Mask?
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OTPHTSNTFT
On the pitch holding the shirt next to Father Ted.
Is he very small or just far, far away?
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I hope that's him. More excited over this signing than the others currently. Though they're all great, this one would be a real coup I think.
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I hope that's him. More excited over this signing than the others currently. Though they're all great, this one would be a real coup I think.
I feel exactly the same. Mad innit?
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I hope that's him. More excited over this signing than the others currently. Though they're all great, this one would be a real coup I think.
I feel exactly the same. Mad innit?
I'd never heard of the guy a week ago but now I'm refreshing twitter and websites every 3 minutes to see if it's official! After reading about him, I think he could be the key to the team this year. Or I could be very wrong and got sucked into the internet....not like that's ever happened before.
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Looks like someone who looks remarkably similar to Veretout is at VP.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLK4jAGWwAEMpry.jpg)
It looks to me that there are two people holding a shirt together, neither of them are Adebayor that's for certain.
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It could be a private photo op with his agent? Certainly two people doing some shirt stretching.
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It could be a private photo op with his agent? Certainly two people doing some shirt stretching.
If the one in the left of the photo as we look at it is Veretout, could the one to his left be Gestede?
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It could be a private photo op with his agent? Certainly two people doing some shirt stretching.
If the one in the left of the photo as we look at it is Veretout, could the one to his left be Gestede?
What, the grey haired white bloke?
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It could be a private photo op with his agent? Certainly two people doing some shirt stretching.
If the one in the left of the photo as we look at it is Veretout, could the one to his left be Gestede?
What, the grey haired white bloke?
Doesn't look white to me, certainly darker skin than the person to his right.
Here is a photo of Rudy, no idea how recent...
(http://i.imgur.com/RXDos7s.jpg)
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Could it be a cap he's wearing ???
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Do you think the delay in the announcement is due to the fact Tim is watching England tear the Aussies apart at Edgbaston??
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I'm sold, it's Gestede! That's another two in. MOAR!
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I want to get some sleep but I can't keep hitting refresh on H&V and the Ashes coverage! Exciting times!
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I want to get some sleep but I can't keep hitting refresh on H&V and the Ashes coverage! Exciting times!
You've got no chance
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I think its safe too say thats Veretout and Gestede..... Good stuff.
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They look to be quite similar heights on the photo but Gestede is a fair bit taller. Makes sense if it is both of them though.
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If it's both of 'em, I'm bloody ecstatic.
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it's his dad, father veretout
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I think its Adrian Chiles
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OTPHTSNTFT
On the pitch holding the shirt next to Father Ted.
Father Ted is dead.
This thread is in really bad taste please close it mods thanks
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On Foxes talk they've called us''gloating bellend Villa supporters'' I'm rather flattered....
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Get fucking in, signing decent players again feels so good. I literally can't wait for games against shit pot clubs like Leicester and West Brom again so we can restore the natural order and twat them.
How's that for gloating ya crisp wankers.
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Get fucking in, signing decent players again feels so good. I literally can't wait for games against shit pot clubs like Leicester and West Brom again so we can restore the natural order and twat them.
How's that for gloating ya crisp wankers.
You six fingered crisp wankers please
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Get fucking in, signing decent players again feels so good. I literally can't wait for games against shit pot clubs like Leicester and West Brom again so we can restore the natural order and twat them.
How's that for gloating ya crisp wankers.
You took the words out of my mouth. I was going to say the exact same thing.
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It's an old bloke with someone on the pitch. Probably his papa
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Looks more like Faulkner that vertoot
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Looks more like Faulkner that vertoot
Quite, William Faulkner.
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Looks more like Faulkner that vertoot
Quite, William Faulkner.
Absalom absalom.
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In future, can people taking photographs of prospective purchases at Villa Park, please use a powerful zoom lens to take pity on an old man with poor eyesight like me?
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Years of decay now the futures looking bright. I have now upped my estimate of 10 points from the first 10 games to 27 points...come on you fuckin lions.
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This is quite funny:
https://twitter.com/BruceRioch4/status/626789024666095616 (https://twitter.com/BruceRioch4/status/626789024666095616)
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On Foxes talk they've called us''gloating bellend Villa supporters'' I'm rather flattered....
10 days and 22 pages celebrating how much they all rate him and how he'll fit into their side, take all their corners, free kicks, where he'll live, which restaurants he'll eat in, how it demonstrates they're now an established PL club (I'd forgotten they were in the PL), how Ranieri will attract the best players to Leicester, etc..
Most sensible post was:
Let's close this thread now some ridiculously embarrassing comments on here.
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little leicester , but what it does go to show,
IS HOW FUCKIN MASSIVE WE ARE all these shit pot clubs who all together have Won Nothing. like the team from B6
JUST MAYBE,
Thank you Randy.
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I guess this spending spree does in the theory that Randy was going to just pocket all the Benteke/Delph money which he could have done I suppose. Even if we stop after this latest set of deals and essentially break even or a few million above we appear so much better off than we started the summer.
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Would anyone have preferred not to make these signings now and have kept Benteke? Just wondering.
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Would anyone have preferred not to make these signings now and have kept Benteke? Just wondering.
No, I think we needed a full overhaul and change of style and direction. Another year of worrying when Benteke would leave isn't healthy for the club. We've cashed in healthily on a player who wanted to leave.
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Would anyone have preferred not to make these signings now and have kept Benteke? Just wondering.
As good as he was for us, and as good as he is gonna get, we desperately need a complete over haul of the squad. Reminds me of when we sold Platt, he scored the goals to keep us up, then bought half a dozen players that went straight into the first team and improved it 100%. Hopefully that'll happen next season.
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Would anyone have preferred not to make these signings now and have kept Benteke? Just wondering.
No. I still believe Liverpool have taken a big risk with Benteke, he needs direct football, and they just don't play it. Lets not forget he was dropped before Sherwood came when the style didn't suit him.
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Yep, completely agree with you guys, selling him has given the club a new life (or so it seems)
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Would anyone have preferred not to make these signings now and have kept Benteke? Just wondering.
Lets see them all play first, but its bloody exciting
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Think Benteke leaving is the best thing what could of happened to us. Now we can have one of 7-8 players scoring regularly. Rather than 42% of our goals coming from from one player. And all have massive "sell on" value .....
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Would anyone have preferred not to make these signings now and have kept Benteke? Just wondering.
Lets see them all play first, but its bloody exciting
You're right, but the quality we're buying is so much better than the 1-2 million pound buys from the Championship and Skandanavian leagues under Lambert.
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First season i've looked forward to since the spoilt brat left. Bring it on!
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We can buy Benteke back next summer for £10m when we are in the CL and Liverpool aren't.
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little leicester , but what it does go to show,
IS HOW FUCKIN MASSIVE WE ARE all these shit pot clubs who all together have Won Nothing. like the team from B6
JUST MAYBE,
Thank you Randy.
Erm.... we're the team from B6.
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little leicester , but what it does go to show,
IS HOW FUCKIN MASSIVE WE ARE all these shit pot clubs who all together have Won Nothing. like the team from B6
JUST MAYBE,
Thank you Randy.
Erm.... we're the team from B6.
It would make sense if that full stop after "Nothing" wasn't there.
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little leicester , but what it does go to show,
IS HOW FUCKIN MASSIVE WE ARE all these shit pot clubs who all together have Won Nothing. like the team from B6
JUST MAYBE,
Thank you Randy.
Erm.... we're the team from B6.
It would make sense if that full stop after "Nothing" wasn't there.
I think you're being charitable there.
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It would be better if he'd said UNlike instead of like.
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And there is definitely a G missing
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Some quality Villa hijacking on that Foxes Talk Veretout thread. Talk about bizarre.
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Is he in or what?
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The problem with having a player like Benteke is that so many see him as defining the whole club/team. The meedja laud Benteke big time and the population that knows sweet FA does the same, so he IS Aston Villa to them. As if the other 10 players on the pitch were just making up the numbers.
It also leads to many of our own supporters thinking "we've got to replace Benteke".
We haven't.
We need to develop a style/s of playing that will test other teams in a variety of ways, not just one, have a sense of shared responsibility for success, not just "let's get it to the big man and he'll make things happen".
TS seems to be bringing in better quality players across the board to improve the quality of play across the board...with a little patience and room for the new boys to bed in, we should be looking at a much stronger team all round.
I hope so. I dread another season of hoping and hanging on.
And I think 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are continuing to throw money at "big" players to appease the fans...Benteke doesn't seem to fit their bill imho - I may be wrong - but he just doesn't seem to fit in at all...we'll soon see.
Aston Villa will be a very different team in 2015/16, no doubt about that!
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Lest-toh cry baby ranted
WE FINISHED ABOVE VILLA FFS HOW IS WINNING THE TITLE IN THE 19TH CENTURY STILL RELEVANT
Chortle
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Lest-toh cry baby ranted
WE FINISHED ABOVE VILLA FFS HOW IS WINNING THE TITLE IN THE 19TH CENTURY STILL RELEVANT
Chortle
But winning the errr...errrmmm....errr...things they've won in errrmmm....errr century is obviously so much better!
Fu*k the Fu*kin' Fu*kers!
UTV! :D
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But Leicester finished above us last season. ABOVE US. Surely that means they are now a bigger dream move for anyone. You know, the same way that any player will always pick Man City over Man U or, heaven forbid, someone like Liverpool over Tottenham.
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At this point of time 21.02 we have neither signed young Mr Veretout or Rudy Gestede as far as I can tell. If we don't after all this excitement it will be a disappointment of cataclysmic proportions. I think Tim Sherwood had better stop at these two and give us a rest.
We now appear to have a range of top class attacking options that we have never had before. The question remains,however.
Where is Gabby going to fit in?
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At this point of time 21.02 we have neither signed young Mr Veretout or Rudy Gestede as far as I can tell. If we don't after all this excitement it will be a disappointment of cataclysmic proportions. I think Tim Sherwood had better stop at these two and give us a rest.
We now appear to have a range of top class attacking options that we have never had before. The question remains,however.
Where is Gabby going to fit in?
He'll end up where he deserves to. I'm more curious if any of these newcomers can compete and perform at this level. I know what I'm getting with Gabby.
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I was really hoping to see some pics of the new boys signed up and in the shirts today! Come on Tim, make sure we get Veretout and Gestede in asap. I can't refresh pages any more. Until tomorrow I guess......
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At this point of time 21.02 we have neither signed young Mr Veretout or Rudy Gestede as far as I can tell. If we don't after all this excitement it will be a disappointment of cataclysmic proportions. I think Tim Sherwood had better stop at these two and give us a rest.
We now appear to have a range of top class attacking options that we have never had before. The question remains,however.
Where is Gabby going to fit in?
He will still score the winner against Blues if and when we ever play them again
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I think gabby will be lucky to find a place on the bench this season! As much as I like him. Running around as fast as u can and scoring the odd league cup goal now and then just isn't good enough anymore I'm afraid! And he is one of the main reasons we been fighting relegation for the last few years.
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This thread reminds me of the one we had when we were signing N'zog
Loads of us we're desperate to get him, and even them which knew nothing much about him, like me, started to believe he was going to be the new superstar
Then we were taking the piss out of Sunderland fans because they were trying to hi jack the deal,
We wish now they had
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Just had a look on that Foxes Talk and this made me smile. Oh, and which one of you is it?
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Youth Team
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Do not worry! You may have missed out on Jordy V, but I shall join you.
I can pass, tackle badly, and I used to play for Nantes. Five year deal? Yeah?
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Going onto other clubs' forums is all a bit Stripey.
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Call me fat, bald, call me early in the morning but, never call me Stripey. Them's fightin' words!
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Sky Sports News HQ @SkySportsNewsHQ 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING NEWS: Sky Sources - Nantes midfielder Jordan Veretout to have medical at Aston Villa tomorrow #SSNHQ
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SSN now reporting he's having a medical with us now.
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Good stuff
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This thread reminds me of the one we had when we were signing N'zog
Loads of us we're desperate to get him, and even them which knew nothing much about him, like me, started to believe he was going to be the new superstar
He'd been playing over here for seven years before we signed him so I doubt there were many who didn't know much about him.
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SSN now reporting he's having a medical with us now.
At 10 o clock in the evening??!! Oh I forgot he's French. He'll be going out for coffee at midnight.
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SSN now reporting he's having a medical with us now.
At 10 o clock in the evening??!! Oh I forgot he's French. He'll be going out for coffee at midnight.
Hope not, his heart will be racing when the stethoscope comes out.
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This thread reminds me of the one we had when we were signing N'zog
Loads of us we're desperate to get him, and even them which knew nothing much about him, like me, started to believe he was going to be the new superstar
He'd been playing over here for seven years before we signed him so I doubt there were many who didn't know much about him.
If only we didn't know what we know about him now and knew instead what we thought we knew about him back then.
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This thread reminds me of the one we had when we were signing N'zog
Loads of us we're desperate to get him, and even them which knew nothing much about him, like me, started to believe he was going to be the new superstar
He'd been playing over here for seven years before we signed him so I doubt there were many who didn't know much about him.
If only we didn't know what we know about him now and knew instead what we thought we knew about him back then.
There are known unknowns and unknown unknowns - then there is the Zog - and nobody knows why...
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Today is going to be a good day!!
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Today is going to be a good day!!
UTV
The Doc
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At this point of time 21.02 we have neither signed young Mr Veretout or Rudy Gestede as far as I can tell. If we don't after all this excitement it will be a disappointment of cataclysmic proportions. I think Tim Sherwood had better stop at these two and give us a rest.
We now appear to have a range of top class attacking options that we have never had before. The question remains,however.
Where is Gabby going to fit in?
Fucking hell it's like a nervous tick.
Maybe he'll be as good as he was the last time we were a good team. And if we carry on being shit maybe he'll just comtinue to score us some vital goals that keep us up or win us big games. Either way, he'll remain our top Premier League goalscorer for a good few years yet, won't come out with any Delphesque bullshit, will be willing to play through injuries in any position the manager asks him too without making a fuss and maybe even take another pay cut to stay at his one and only club. He certainly won't get any credit from his obsessed detractors.
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This thread reminds me of the one we had when we were signing N'zog
Loads of us we're desperate to get him, and even them which knew nothing much about him, like me, started to believe he was going to be the new superstar
He'd been playing over here for seven years before we signed him so I doubt there were many who didn't know much about him.
If only we didn't know what we know about him now and knew instead what we thought we knew about him back then.
There are known unknowns and unknown unknowns - then there is the Zog - and nobody knows why...
I knew he was excellent at Wigan and was excited about signing him. He's been an enormous disappointment.
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Dare I say it, he seems to have a touch of the Delph about him? A driving player, not always looking totally in control of the ball but lots of energy taking the team forward.
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Instead of 'confirmed', could we use the term 'shirt stretched' when he does finally commit? Thank you.
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Instead of 'confirmed', could we use the term 'shirt stretched' when he does finally commit? Thank you.
Tricky, though, as he's already done the shirt stretching, as per the Villa Park photo yesterday, but as yet, no confirmation.
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Dare I say it, he seems to have a touch of the Delph about him? A driving player, not always looking totally in control of the ball but lots of energy taking the team forward.
Please don't say that. I want a midfielder who can retain possession and look comfortable on the ball, I'm feed up of this running players in the middle of the park giving the ball away.
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Could we settle on "confirmed shirt stretching"?
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Dare I say it, he seems to have a touch of the Delph about him? A driving player, not always looking totally in control of the ball but lots of energy taking the team forward.
Please don't say that. I want a midfielder who can retain possession and look comfortable on the ball, I'm feed up of this running players in the middle of the park giving the ball away.
Yep Delph was an odd one for me. His technique and first touch was often that of a park player and for the first season or two with us I thought he was atrocious but then when he does drive forward it was so effective. Ungainly but effective enough to be a starter for England and a move to Moneybags. Veretout seems to have the added bonus at being a really good set piece taker too.
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Dare I say it, he seems to have a touch of the Delph about him? A driving player, not always looking totally in control of the ball but lots of energy taking the team forward.
Please don't say that. I want a midfielder who can retain possession and look comfortable on the ball, I'm feed up of this running players in the middle of the park giving the ball away.
Yep Delph was an odd one for me. His technique and first touch was often that of a park player and for the first season or two with us I thought he was atrocious but then when he does drive forward it was so effective. Ungainly but effective enough to be a starter for England and a move to Moneybags. Veretout seems to have the added bonus at being a really good set piece taker too.
I think the difference may well be that Veretout is able to 'slow down' as well. With Delph everything was a rush, which is good but it meant his final ball wasn't as good as it should've been, but when he did slow down he couldn't get going. Veretout looks capable of being energetic but keeping cool and picking and timing passes.
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Lets hope he can take a corner too, sick of watching Westwoods floaters ;)
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Lets hope he can take a corner too, sick of watching Westwoods floaters ;)
Seeing Grealish put proper corners in made us realise how poor our corners had been for 2 years!
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Dare I say it, he seems to have a touch of the Delph about him? A driving player, not always looking totally in control of the ball but lots of energy taking the team forward.
Please don't say that. I want a midfielder who can retain possession and look comfortable on the ball, I'm feed up of this running players in the middle of the park giving the ball away.
Yep Delph was an odd one for me. His technique and first touch was often that of a park player and for the first season or two with us I thought he was atrocious but then when he does drive forward it was so effective. Ungainly but effective enough to be a starter for England and a move to Moneybags. Veretout seems to have the added bonus at being a really good set piece taker too.
I think the difference may well be that Veretout is able to 'slow down' as well. With Delph everything was a rush, which is good but it meant his final ball wasn't as good as it should've been, but when he did slow down he couldn't get going. Veretout looks capable of being energetic but keeping cool and picking and timing passes.
He's actually like cleverly too but better technics
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Lets hope he can take a corner too, sick of watching Westwoods floaters ;)
Seeing Grealish put proper corners in made us realise how poor our corners had been for 2 years!
It would be lovely to see us score from corners at one end and, defend them at ours. For a few years now, our approach to corners has been arse about face.
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Lets hope he can take a corner too, sick of watching Westwoods floaters ;)
Seeing Grealish put proper corners in made us realise how poor our corners had been for 2 years!
I thought that someone here found out that it was Tekkers that requested the floaty corners.
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Dare I say it, he seems to have a touch of the Delph about him? A driving player, not always looking totally in control of the ball but lots of energy taking the team forward.
Please don't say that. I want a midfielder who can retain possession and look comfortable on the ball, I'm feed up of this running players in the middle of the park giving the ball away.
Yep Delph was an odd one for me. His technique and first touch was often that of a park player and for the first season or two with us I thought he was atrocious but then when he does drive forward it was so effective. Ungainly but effective enough to be a starter for England and a move to Moneybags. Veretout seems to have the added bonus at being a really good set piece taker too.
I think the difference may well be that Veretout is able to 'slow down' as well. With Delph everything was a rush, which is good but it meant his final ball wasn't as good as it should've been, but when he did slow down he couldn't get going. Veretout looks capable of being energetic but keeping cool and picking and timing passes.
Sounds great!
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Veretout confirmed via Villa twitter account!
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He's here officially :)
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4901219,00.html
UTV
The Doc
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Nice ;D
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Brilliant.
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Nice ;D
No, Nantes.
I'll get my coat.
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(http://i.imgur.com/ddN9jNzl.jpg)
Must have been waiting for Bell to get his half
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Yessssssssssssssss!
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Great day so far!! Two exciting signings confirmed and about to go 2-1 up in the ashes.
Weather's great so i'm going for a game of golf in a bit too!
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brilliant news
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Welcome Jordan 3!
It's exciting!
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Great day so far!! Two exciting signings confirmed and about to go 2-1 up in the ashes.
Weather's great so i'm going for a game of golf in a bit too!
All you need now is a BJ and it would be a perfect day! :)
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Gestede not confirmed on the OS yet
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Really happy with this one, looks like a fantastic player.
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Great stuff. I hope.
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Welcome aboard Jordan.
How many more Jordan's can we bring in before the window closes?
Time to bring back Bowery!
Anyway, Veretout looks a good player. I look forward to seeing him in action.
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change the name of this thread to "Jordan Veretout - CONFIRMED" please :)
I had been refreshing for days hoping to see that.
As we've all said over the past few days, we'd never heard of this guy before Monday. But after reading about him and seeing his highlights, we needed him at B6. To me, this shows our club are moving forward and we are now in a better position than when we had Benteke and the snake. Great signing and great job by all involved. Getting really excited for the start of the season now! UTV!
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Wonderful signings today both of them.
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Great day so far!! Two exciting signings confirmed and about to go 2-1 up in the ashes.
Weather's great so i'm going for a game of golf in a bit too!
All you need now is a BJ and it would be a perfect day! :)
nice offer but you're a bit far away
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Welcome to the famous Aston Villa, Jordan. Play with pride and give everything you've got and we will love you for ever.
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Being a Villa fan is suddenly very exciting!
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change the name of this thread to "Jordan Veretout - CONFIRMED" please :)
Done three minutes before you asked.
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Welcome Jordan.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/4q0ed.gif)
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get in there!
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
Probably because he has been standing there since yesterday
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The Jordan revolution continues!
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He's got a big face, hasn't he?
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There's a river of Jordans running through Villa at the moment, and none of them is Bowery. I see no downside so far.
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How much did we pay for him?
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More great work Villa. Looks like a great signing. Gestede and a centre back next please.
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With Jordan Bowery back, we would be unstoppable.
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Does anyone else mentally read the word "CONFIRMED" in the voice of Zen from Blake's 7 or is it just me? Anyway, good to see another signing and I am increasingly in danger of being optimistic about the season.
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Tim speaking about his other options and getting it over the line, sort of suggests it took a bit of doing. In which case well done us.
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
One of the worst shirt stretchers I have ever seen. He is going to need to work hard to win me over after such an inauspicious start.
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Does anyone else mentally read the word "CONFIRMED" in the voice of Zen from Blake's 7 or is it just me? Anyway, good to see another signing and I am increasingly in danger of being optimistic about the season.
It's just you Joe. The rest of us do it in French. 😉
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
One of the worst shirt stretchers I have ever seen. He is going to need to work hard to win me over after such an inauspicious start.
I already have his card marked as a lazy git. He is near the changing rooms but can't be arsed to put the shirt on. He'll be gone by Christmas.
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Jordy V
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Welcome aboard Jordan, Have yourself a great season with us and then none of us will stand in your way when you get your big money move too a forward thinking club like Leicester.
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
One of the worst shirt stretchers I have ever seen. He is going to need to work hard to win me over after such an inauspicious start.
I already have his card marked as a lazy git. He is near the changing rooms but can't be arsed to put the shirt on. He'll be gone by Christmas.
couldn't even be bothered walking onto the pitch - ITSOTS (on the stairs)
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there's loads of him on the pitch in the official gallery
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Looks happier here
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/35/c1/0,,10265~13877557,00.jpg)
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change the name of this thread to "Jordan Veretout - CONFIRMED" please :)
Done three minutes before you asked.
Thank you! You guys are on top things!
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Craig Gardner's Gallic cousin.
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Bloody hell. I could get used to this :)
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I'm dissapointed Fox talk have closed their thread. I was enjoying that.
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Craig Gardner's Gallic cousin.
Trying to think of who he looked like... Thank you!!
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Very happy with this - going on what people have been saying about him, could be a real engine in our midfield.
Proof will be in the pudding but feels like the best window we have had in a generation.
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Craig Gardner's Gallic cousin.
He does a bit but I would like to think there is a certain resemblance to James Milner in body shape. Remember him?
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The new Milner...
*pegs it
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Craig Gardner's Gallic cousin.
Thats very good
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in their bitterness at not having signed the fella,some twat on foxes talk has now described VP as old fashioned and a bit derelict. What a tosspot. I'm assuming he was trying to articulate the feeling one has on entering Leicester
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Craig Gardner's Gallic cousin.
Gardinier?
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Welcome to Villa Jordan.
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This is the one everyone seems excited about. Welcome Jordan number 3.
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Welcome to the famous Aston Villa Jordan
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Welcome to Jordan, Aston!
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
One of the worst shirt stretchers I have ever seen. He is going to need to work hard to win me over after such an inauspicious start.
I already have his card marked as a lazy git. He is near the changing rooms but can't be arsed to put the shirt on. He'll be gone by Christmas.
couldn't even be bothered walking onto the pitch - ITSOTS (on the stairs)
I'd say he looks more nervous than unhappy.
Absolutely delighted with this signing, probably more than any other. The lad looks like he's a real box to box, full 90 minutes (did you read that Delph), total blood, guts and flair midfielder. If he can live up to his potential we may be cashing in big time in a few years time.
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"Jordan, Jordan, Jordan......give us three waves"
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in their bitterness at not having signed the fella,some twat on foxes talk has now described VP as old fashioned and a bit derelict. What a tosspot. I'm assuming he was trying to articulate the feeling one has on entering Leicester
derelict? , there is no game on and it is called heritage as oppose to legoland kit stadium
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
One of the worst shirt stretchers I have ever seen. He is going to need to work hard to win me over after such an inauspicious start.
I already have his card marked as a lazy git. He is near the changing rooms but can't be arsed to put the shirt on. He'll be gone by Christmas.
couldn't even be bothered walking onto the pitch - ITSOTS (on the stairs)
I'd say he looks more nervous than unhappy.
Absolutely delighted with this signing, probably more than any other. The lad looks like he's a real box to box, full 90 minutes (did you read that Delph), total blood, guts and flair midfielder. If he can live up to his potential we may be cashing in big time in a few years time.
Not everyone's comfortable in front of a camera.
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
Me too. I'm just a bit worried that a player might be tempted by the Paris of the East Midlands. Never mind Manchester getting ideas above their station, surely Leicester should rightfully be considered the UK's second city.
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
I was with a Leicester fan friend at Edgbaston today and he thought they were deluded in thinking he might choose them instead of AV. He also thinks Cambiasso will join us as well.
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
Until I see him in the shirt, shorts and socks and on the pitch I'm not convinced we've signed him. Even then I won't be happy until he's played against Leicester so I know they haven't signed him and then loaned him to us.
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A midfielder who can score and assist too.. such a change after Delph. ;)
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He could look a bit happier though ;)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2rqylhj.jpg)
One of the worst shirt stretchers I have ever seen. He is going to need to work hard to win me over after such an inauspicious start.
I already have his card marked as a lazy git. He is near the changing rooms but can't be arsed to put the shirt on. He'll be gone by Christmas.
couldn't even be bothered walking onto the pitch - ITSOTS (on the stairs)
I'd say he looks more nervous than unhappy.
Absolutely delighted with this signing, probably more than any other. The lad looks like he's a real box to box, full 90 minutes (did you read that Delph), total blood, guts and flair midfielder. If he can live up to his potential we may be cashing in big time in a few years time.
Or stay with us for 3 years and get us into Europe.
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"Jordan, Jordan, Jordan......give us three waves"
its very economical for us fans, we shout Jordan give us a wave and the three do for the price of one
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Hail Jordan 111 (3rd)
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in their bitterness at not having signed the fella,some twat on foxes talk has now described VP as old fashioned and a bit derelict. What a tosspot. I'm assuming he was trying to articulate the feeling one has on entering Leicester
derelict? , there is no game on and it is called heritage as oppose to legoland kit stadium
Derelict my balls.
Here is what my Nantes supporting mate thinks of all of this so far...
You guys bought the best player of Nantes the last 2 years. He is playing well but it's not a superstar. He doesn't manage his effort on a court and like you says in England, he is a box to box player. You also got Jordan ayew, a no-brain player. Gueye is not bad and amavi, I don't know very much this player
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
I was with a Leicester fan friend at Edgbaston today and he thought they were deluded in thinking he might choose them instead of AV. He also thinks Cambiasso will join us as well.
Living in South Leicester as an exiled brummie, although there are more Villa over here than you would think, the Leicester lot are pretty grounded and a decent realistic lot. The problem with forums/message boards is they tend to attract the more extreme Knobs. I'm sure lcfc piss themselves at stuff posted on TBAR.
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Hail Jordan 111 (3rd)
As long as he doesn't turn out to be Jordan the Turd!
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
I was with a Leicester fan friend at Edgbaston today and he thought they were deluded in thinking he might choose them instead of AV. He also thinks Cambiasso will join us as well.
Living in South Leicester as an exiled brummie, although there are more Villa over here than you would think, the Leicester lot are pretty grounded and a decent realistic lot. The problem with forums/message boards is they tend to attract the more extreme Knobs. I'm sure lcfc piss themselves at stuff posted on TBAR.
Haven't you shot yourself in the foot with your penultimate sentence
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Does buying the fanzine off you count? Although, as an Erdington lad living in Leicester, I'd like to think I was normal?
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
I was with a Leicester fan friend at Edgbaston today and he thought they were deluded in thinking he might choose them instead of AV. He also thinks Cambiasso will join us as well.
Living in South Leicester as an exiled brummie, although there are more Villa over here than you would think, the Leicester lot are pretty grounded and a decent realistic lot. The problem with forums/message boards is they tend to attract the more extreme Knobs. I'm sure lcfc piss themselves at stuff posted on TBAR.
Haven't you shot yourself in the foot with your penultimate sentence
Ha ha but doesn't H&V have a certain class and rationality that is normally absent?
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
I was with a Leicester fan friend at Edgbaston today and he thought they were deluded in thinking he might choose them instead of AV. He also thinks Cambiasso will join us as well.
Living in South Leicester as an exiled brummie, although there are more Villa over here than you would think, the Leicester lot are pretty grounded and a decent realistic lot. The problem with forums/message boards is they tend to attract the more extreme Knobs. I'm sure lcfc piss themselves at stuff posted on TBAR.
Haven't you shot yourself in the foot with your penultimate sentence
Ha ha but doesn't H&V have a certain class and rationality that is normally absent?
Predisposed to a charming pomposity is how I like to think of the place.
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Welcome to Aston Jordan Villa Mr.Veretout
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Just watched his interview on AVTV. He comes across as France's version of Gary Gardner.
What's the French for "buzzin"?
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
Until I see him in the shirt, shorts and socks and on the pitch I'm not convinced we've signed him. Even then I won't be happy until he's played against Leicester so I know they haven't signed him and then loaned him to us.
Rather than stretching a shirt, I want to see the next Villa signee holding up a pair of claret and blue socks
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The team photo should be interesting whenever they do it. The names will have to be made clear.
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
I was with a Leicester fan friend at Edgbaston today and he thought they were deluded in thinking he might choose them instead of AV. He also thinks Cambiasso will join us as well.
Living in South Leicester as an exiled brummie, although there are more Villa over here than you would think, the Leicester lot are pretty grounded and a decent realistic lot. The problem with forums/message boards is they tend to attract the more extreme Knobs. I'm sure lcfc piss themselves at stuff posted on TBAR.
Haven't you shot yourself in the foot with your penultimate sentence
Ha ha but doesn't H&V have a certain class and rationality that is normally absent?
Predisposed to a charming pomposity is how I like to think of the place.
Full of egotistical tossers is what I'd say.
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
I was with a Leicester fan friend at Edgbaston today and he thought they were deluded in thinking he might choose them instead of AV. He also thinks Cambiasso will join us as well.
Living in South Leicester as an exiled brummie, although there are more Villa over here than you would think, the Leicester lot are pretty grounded and a decent realistic lot. The problem with forums/message boards is they tend to attract the more extreme Knobs. I'm sure lcfc piss themselves at stuff posted on TBAR.
Haven't you shot yourself in the foot with your penultimate sentence
Ha ha but doesn't H&V have a certain class and rationality that is normally absent?
Predisposed to a charming pomposity is how I like to think of the place.
Full of egotistical tossers is what I'd say.
You're not that bad.
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Just watched his interview on AVTV. He comes across as France's version of Gary Gardner.
What's the French for "buzzin"?
Avec tous les nouveu joueuers Francais nous devons souffrir Jack Woodward parle en Francais.
Zut Alors
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Ver-e-tout, baby
Ver-e-tout, baby
Ver-e-tout
Ver-e-tout
(To the tune of It Takes Two)
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Just need one more midfield signing
I have no sense of doubt that a Veretout Sneijder partnership would work
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How is his name pronounced ? Is it like - very two ?
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Verehtoo I would think. BE?
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Anytime I think of Leicester my mind instantly goes too that fat middle aged bloke wobbling onto the pitch too have a go at Ian Walker when we put 5 past them in around 15 minutes and him getting his arse handed too him, that incident kind of sums the place up rather well.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Anytime I think of Leicester my mind instantly goes too that fat middle aged bloke wobbling onto the pitch too have a go at Ian Walker when we put 5 past them in around 15 minutes and him getting his arse handed too him, that incident kind of sums the place up rather well.
The other thing about the city is that apart from football, you hardly ever meet anyone who lives there or who goes there. Derby and Nottingham, yes, but never Leicester.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Anytime I think of Leicester my mind instantly goes too that fat middle aged bloke wobbling onto the pitch too have a go at Ian Walker when we put 5 past them in around 15 minutes and him getting his arse handed too him, that incident kind of sums the place up rather well.
The other thing about the city is that apart from football, you hardly ever meet anyone who lives there or who goes there. Derby and Nottingham, yes, but never Leicester.
My sister moved there and met a right nutter named Bod. In the end my old
Man had to go and rescue her from her Nightmare and bring her home.
Bod stalked her for about a year before he got bored.
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They have a nasty tendency to bury kings under car parks.
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Great....... Now I've got the Bod theme tune going thro my head
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Anytime I think of Leicester my mind instantly goes too that fat middle aged bloke wobbling onto the pitch too have a go at Ian Walker when we put 5 past them in around 15 minutes and him getting his arse handed too him, that incident kind of sums the place up rather well.
The other thing about the city is that apart from football, you hardly ever meet anyone who lives there or who goes there. Derby and Nottingham, yes, but never Leicester.
My sister moved there and met a right nutter named Bod. In the end my old
Man had to go and rescue her from her Nightmare and bring her home.
Bod stalked her for about a year before he got bored.
Mine did the same with a guy called Nigel. He didn't stalk her afterwards though because that would have meant going further south than Leicester.
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Great....... Now I've got the Bod theme tune going thro my head
How did it go again? gonna have to YouTube be it now.
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I haven't heard it for 30 odd years and yet this is exactly what was going thro my head
http://youtu.be/lk9lMSVawYc
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I lived in a village about 8 miles from the city in the mid 90s. The city itself was a bit of a vacuum - nobody used to go there (except to attend hospital appointments or me to take my lad to a few games at the Tigers ) and Villa went through a lean time against LCFC at the time.
The regulars in the local pub used to give me almighty stick, but not one of them went to the games.
I loved living in the village - lovely people - but always a bit weird.
(I think they thought themselves as Leicestershire people, but definitely NOT Leicester people, which were something completely different, distant and dissolute)
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The thing I find odd about Leicester is the way the local accent is so camp.
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How could I forget that theme tune!
My wife's aunt lives in a small village called Bradnich, I think, nearly Hinckly. It's actually alright there. We went last year for her wedding. It was very pretty actually. Her fella is from there.
Mind you he's a bit odd and his mates were a strange bunch too.
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Verehtoo I would think. BE?
Vair ( think back to Allo Allo and " listen vairy carefully I shall say this only once" ) and toow. 2 syllables only.
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There don't seem to be any accents anywhere so, knowing the French fear of pronouncing the last letter in words, it should be pronounced Vair-2.
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Welcome Jordan.
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Still a bit concerned Leicester might outbid us.
*snigger*
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Do you remember that long-haired bloke who used to be with us at away games in the eighties? He was always worried about getting home. His catch-phrase was 'See you next week - if I'm still alive'. I think we used to call him Worzel Gummidge. He was definitely odd.
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was he from Leicester too?
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I lived in Leicester for 6 months around the time of Sir Brian's last season with us as manager. It was a deeply depressing experience. Their accent started to grate in no time at all, and the entire city was horrible.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Do you remember that long-haired bloke who used to be with us at away games in the eighties? He was always worried about getting home. His catch-phrase was 'See you next week - if I'm still alive'. I think we used to call him Worzel Gummidge. He was definitely odd.
Did he have a beard?
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Leicester fans certainly have a thing about us. Remember when Little came here as manager, bringing half of Leicester with him.
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Leicester fans certainly have a thing about us. Remember when Little came here as manager, bringing half of Leicester with him.
When they beat us at the start of that horrible season which started with 4 losses under Sir Brian, you'd have thought they'd won the World Cup. There was a pub near where I lived full of inbred crisp munchers, and when a coach full of Villa fans drove past, they were all lobbing glasses and bottles at the coach. Twats.
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I remember meeting a bird from Leicester on holiday in the 90s, whe worked in one of the bars and used to wear knee high boots.
*stares whistfully into the distance*
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Kasabian are from Leicester. Enough said.
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I went university in Leicester in 1991 and 1993 with my second year on an exchange program to Dublin. It's an odd city. Saturday night in the city isn't really a time to go out, and certainly as a bloke of Indian descent. Stick around the student bars etc, it's generally fine, but the indigenous population didn't leave me with particularly friendly memories. They seem to be a very insecure bunch, a smaller city with more relevant cities around and not far away. Went to a few games at Filbert Street, but generally used to pop home for our games or up to wherever it was we were playing.
Not a place I'm ever likely to head back to.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Do you remember that long-haired bloke who used to be with us at away games in the eighties? He was always worried about getting home. His catch-phrase was 'See you next week - if I'm still alive'. I think we used to call him Worzel Gummidge. He was definitely odd.
Did he have a beard?
He did, and I remember him. He was so odd even Eddie Shepherd picked on him.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Do you remember that long-haired bloke who used to be with us at away games in the eighties? He was always worried about getting home. His catch-phrase was 'See you next week - if I'm still alive'. I think we used to call him Worzel Gummidge. He was definitely odd.
Did he have a beard?
He did, and I remember him. He was so odd even Eddie Shepherd picked on him.
In a perfect world omvf would now post 'actually, that was me'.
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I lived in Leicester for 6 months around the time of Sir Brian's last season with us as manager. It was a deeply depressing experience. Their accent started to grate in no time at all, and the entire city was horrible.
I did a six month contract in Melton Mowbray in Leicestershire.
Supremely depressing. All facial tattoos and devil dogs.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Do you remember that long-haired bloke who used to be with us at away games in the eighties? He was always worried about getting home. His catch-phrase was 'See you next week - if I'm still alive'. I think we used to call him Worzel Gummidge. He was definitely odd.
Did he have a beard?
He did, and I remember him. He was so odd even Eddie Shepherd picked on him.
In a perfect world omvf would now post 'actually, that was me'.
Unfortunately not, Chris.
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I lived in Leicester for 6 months around the time of Sir Brian's last season with us as manager. It was a deeply depressing experience. Their accent started to grate in no time at all, and the entire city was horrible.
I did a six month contract in Melton Mowbray in Leicestershire.
Supremely depressing. All facial tattoos and devil dogs.
Admit it, you loved the pies.
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I lived in Leicester for 6 months around the time of Sir Brian's last season with us as manager. It was a deeply depressing experience. Their accent started to grate in no time at all, and the entire city was horrible.
I did a six month contract in Melton Mowbray in Leicestershire.
Supremely depressing. All facial tattoos and devil dogs.
Admit it, you loved the pies.
Crisps... if you don't mind...
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Melton Mowbray crisps?
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Our most exciting signing since Ashley Young. Really looking forward to seeing this guy play.
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was he from Leicester too?
Yes.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Do you remember that long-haired bloke who used to be with us at away games in the eighties? He was always worried about getting home. His catch-phrase was 'See you next week - if I'm still alive'. I think we used to call him Worzel Gummidge. He was definitely odd.
Did he have a beard?
Not sure. Maybe a whispy one.
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I can honestly say that in all my years on this earth I've never met anyone from Leicester that wasn't a bit odd.
Do you remember that long-haired bloke who used to be with us at away games in the eighties? He was always worried about getting home. His catch-phrase was 'See you next week - if I'm still alive'. I think we used to call him Worzel Gummidge. He was definitely odd.
Did he have a beard?
He did, and I remember him. He was so odd even Eddie Shepherd picked on him.
I think we were at Leeds when a bloke on their side of the fence, instead of threatening him with the old cut-throat gesture, motioned that he would pluck his eyes out if he saw him afterwards.
At least it was original I suppose.
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http://thesetpieces.com/first-look/first-look-jordan-veretout/
Very good read.
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How did he do on Saturday?
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How did he do on Saturday?
He did ok. Nothing special but then again he was really just thrown in having signed hours before. Once he gets used to things I think he'll do just fine. We are going to have much better set piece delivery this season from him and Amavi for a rampaging Gestede to bury. Bring it On!
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He didn't really stand out that much but it's early days like TV said.
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Cheers, That cross from the left back Jordan was a beauty
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He appears to be a quicker, young version of Barry. With all the issues that come with that development.
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He appears to be a quicker, young version of Barry. With all the issues that come with that development.
Are you saying he needs size XXL shorts?
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He appears to be a quicker, young version of Barry. With all the issues that come with that development.
I doubt he'll ever want to move to Portsmouth.
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He appears to be a quicker, young version of Barry. With all the issues that come with that development.
You make it sound like Barry was shit.
I thought Veretout looked decent at Forest. Came on the pitch and started to spray a few passes around then sat back a bit when Cole came on. I think we've got a player in this one.
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He appears to be a quicker, young version of Barry. With all the issues that come with that development.
I doubt he'll ever want to move to Portsmouth.
Most of his goals last season came from the spot so I hope we're not still asking five years hence why he didn't take the feckin' penalty.
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What I was getting at was that he isn't easily knocked off the ball and has a talent for finding a quick pass in the direction of the opponents goal.
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His song should be to the tune of Milli Vanilli, Girl you know it's true. It writes itself.
Jordan Veretout, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
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In true Milli Vanilli style, we could all just mime it.
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He was crap last night wasn't he? That kicking their bloke and pretending he'd been kicked wasn't great either. Still very early days but room for improvement.
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He was crap last night wasn't he? That kicking their bloke and pretending he'd been kicked wasn't great either. Still very early days but room for improvement.
Yeah, that was embarrassing, don't want to see Villa players doing that sort of thing
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Can say with certainty that Veretout is not suited to being on the right of a midfield four. Luke Shaw won't have many easier nights
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Jordan Veretout is a very talented acquisition for the club. About the only one of the overseas boys I had seen previously or heard of previously. He has quite a bit of Barry and Milner in his artillery. Granted he did very little last night and needs a run to get used to this league
but he will be an essential player for us this season along with Amavi and Gueye.
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He was crap last night wasn't he? That kicking their bloke and pretending he'd been kicked wasn't great either. Still very early days but room for improvement.
He certainly wasn't crap last night!
He needs time to settle but there's a very decent player in there, I think.
I agree, the tantrum was very silly.
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I have very high hopes for Jordan Veretout. Maybe it's those double training sessions the players have been doing, maybe it was nerves, but it was clear the guy was shot after half time. I saw enough little flashes against Bournemouth to make me feel we have a quality player here, though, and, as if we the others, we are going to have to show patience until these players fully bed in. The same will apply to Traore.
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people writing players off after two games need their bumps feeling. Madness; let's half a half term report at least.
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actually make that a full term; very silly to judge players new to the league, country and colleagues before Christmas
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I thought he looked out of position last night but there is clearly a player in him. Give him 2-3 months and he will start performing. Especially down the middle.
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He doesn't look match fit to me. There's definitely a player in there.
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He doesn't look match fit to me. There's definitely a player in there.
That's how I saw it too then you can also throw in the adjustment that a lot of players from different leagues often need.
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I thought there was something classy about him. You can see he is clearly not match fit, this will come. We need to give players like him time
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He'll be good once he's fit. He had one passing exchange down our right flank that was class.
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He needs to quickly cut out the play acting though and also he could've got got sent off if the referee had spotted his kick out at someone.
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Definitely will look better in the middle, second half completely passed him by until he was subbed
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Definitely will look better in the middle, second half completely passed him by until he was subbed
Second half he looked like he had used all there was in the tank. Sanchez should have been on 10 minutes earlier.
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Timmay was at fault yesterday for not taking Jordan III off earlier. He was clearly knackered
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He was responsible for one of the funnier points in the match for me over here.
About half way through the first half when he ran onto a ball along the edge of the penalty area, but didn't quite get there in time to cross first time before being closed down, Jan "Micky Quinn was my fitness coach" Mølby comes out with.
"He's too slow over the ground there. You can't be a top player without a decent turn of pace"
Fucking hell fella. Take a look in the mirror (if you can find one big enough).
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He's being mentioned in a few other threads so I thought I'd bump his thread.
One of the things that I think make me confident he'll do OK here is that in his first few performances he has shown a real 'bite' in his play, along with some good passes and energy. He's no shrinking violet, and has enough about him to be a real nuisance in our midfield. I can see how there has been a split over where he is most suited to play; he has the nastiness to be defensive, destroying type, but also has shown a few touches to show he has the guile to be useful further up the pitch.
That's a combination of qualities that could be really fucking useful.
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I think he looks classy. Given time, he will become an important player. He may also have got Westwood playing better: the latter was very good on Saturday, and Sanchez looked the part too (apart from not stopping the start-up play of Blunderland's second goal).
With Veretout, Gana, Sanchez and Westwood competing for the CMF slots, this is encouraging.
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Take it from Uncle Ron, Veretout may well prove to be Tim Sherwood's best acquisition. He is very talented player who will influence games when he is fully fit and gets used to the extra pace of the Premier League.
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The french-based players are all living up pretty exactly to the billing they were given
I think veretout had the best rep of all but is probably the one we went for a year earlier than he would have normally left France, because we otherwise wouldn't get him.
Definitely prepared to give him time to settle. We've got players performing in midfield so it's massively less urgent than the striker position
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With Veretout, Gana, Sanchez and Westwood competing for the CMF slots, this is encouraging.
I agree. I think across the midfield (both central and wide) we are absolutely set for the next few years.
Behind them and ahead of them are the bits that are going to still need tinkering with.
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My understanding is that veretout is equally adapt at a number 10 as he as a defensive mid fielder. His versatile range of positional play aswell as his passing is beneficial to the team if not his development. What I'm suggesting here he's bordering precocious talent wise. A position needs to be made his own over his time at villa. I truly think he will be the best signing of the summer long term up there with tarore. He will probably be used as a central midfielder and I'm hoping we re all see his eye for a pass as well as his quality ball winning . Veretout once up to speed will show he's actually pacey with or withouth the ball and has a superb engine on him. Limited so far in what he's shown the boy is really finding his feet which when he does will be explosive ! I'm not kidding he's more Steven Gerrard than Frank lampard coz he can win the ball but he's quicker than both.
If I was comparing him to premier league players I would suggest Ramsey for his technique and versatility or Henderson for his set plays and passing range but again quicker and a better tackler than both.
If I was comparing him to a french player then a more energetic yohan cabaye .
Hope this helps but honestly we have a real start in the making and he's under the radar but hopefully Wilkins cowans and Tim can encourage and nurture the boys talents.
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I'm hoping we see a bit more of Veretout now. He clearly wasn't fit in the first couple of games, but I saw enough glimpses of quality in him to want him in the side now.
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I know it was only Notts County but he looked a lot fitter and more up for it in that cup game.
Easy in hindsight (???) but, as many have said, he was the obvious bit of midfield grit we could have done with yesterday when Gil went off.
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I wasn't surprised to see that he wasn't in the starting lineup given that Gueye was out injured but turned a blind eye before the game when I saw how attacking the lineup was...I was even more surprised when TS brought on Ayew and Gestede instead of Veretout. I still can't work it out.
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Given his age and the fact he's still adapting to a new league and lifestyle, I thought he played really well last night - showing a lot more promise and potential class than Westwood. He seems fitter too, considering his heavy legged home debut. I think he's going to be a player.
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Looked promising last night and you can tell there's a lot more to come.
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His passing was OK but he still looks really slow and unfit to me. He was gash the first half, but better after the break, in common with most of them.
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Was impressed last night, not sure he's fully fit yet. Looks a bit slow.
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I thought he was one of the less shit in the first half, and one of the best of the second.
He played a marvellous slide rule pass through to Bacuna in the second half.
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I thought he looked decent last night.
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I thought he was one of the less shit in the first half, and one of the best of the second.
He played a marvellous slide rule pass through to Bacuna in the second half.
That pass was fantastic, 2-3 of those a game and he is the player we hoped we were getting.
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I thought he was one of the less shit in the first half, and one of the best of the second.
He played a marvellous slide rule pass through to Bacuna in the second half.
That pass was fantastic, 2-3 of those a game and he is the player we hoped we were getting.
Yes I agree a smashing pass
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We see this "he's not match-fit yet" comment on most of our new signings.
I don't understand - what were they doing before Villa signed them? Working in a pub?
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It's often said how fast the English game is compared to other leagues. A player like Veretout may initially feel he needs to go all out physically to try and adapt to the speed of the game and play his part, at the expense of his usual playing style - he certainly was a bit like a headless chicken at times against Blues in the first half, charging towards players who just then passed it by him.
So hopefully, once he's come to terms with the pace of the games here, he can then learn how to adapt and play it his way.
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We see this "he's not match-fit yet" comment on most of our new signings.
I don't understand - what were they doing before Villa signed them? Working in a pub?
Training in France revolves around smoking Camel cigarettes and contemplating modern art, so there's a bit of adaptation needed.
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We see this "he's not match-fit yet" comment on most of our new signings.
I don't understand - what were they doing before Villa signed them? Working in a pub?
Training in France revolves around smoking Camel cigarettes and contemplating modern art, so there's a bit of adaptation needed.
Clappy thingy - excellent
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Training in France revolves around smoking Camel cigarettes and contemplating modern art, so there's a bit of adaptation needed.
So like Leeds under Don Revie - with "being a thug" substituted for modern art.
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I don't think they were hooked on Camel seither, more like Capstan Full Strength
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We see this "he's not match-fit yet" comment on most of our new signings.
I don't understand - what were they doing before Villa signed them? Working in a pub?
Training in France revolves around smoking Camel cigarettes and contemplating modern art, so there's a bit of adaptation needed.
Gitanes cigarettes surely
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Gallouisses Blonds
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Give him a pint of Ricard before the match
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Vincent Van Gogh was no fool; nothing like quaffing a few Absinthes to get your head in the zone
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Vincent Van Gogh was no fool; nothing like quaffing a few Absinthes to get your head in the zone
Even easier to get your head in the zone when you have one ear missing
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true but he had years of practice before that row with Paul
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Interesting piece from Kevin Macdonald on Veretout. Sounds promising for the future if he can clear up the niggles.
d has hailed Jordan Veretout's glorious vision on the football - but urged the summer recruit to start imposing himself more.
MacDonald revealed that Veretout's impact has been somewhat subdued in claret and blue so far because of "little niggles" which have hampered his progress.
But the caretaker boss has been heartened by the 22-year-old's performances in training this past week.
MacDonald has backed the midfielder to come good and thinks it's only a matter of time before supporters start seeing the best of him.
He said: "Jordan is a wonderful passer of the ball.
"But he keeps picking up little niggles. It's not bad enough he can't play or train but I think that might be affecting him a bit.
"He also has a young family - his wife has just had a baby.
"He started off wonderfully and had a little dip but watching him in training these last few days I think he is coming back again.
"He will get better. And he is looking to impose himself in training games.
"Now he has to do that over a period of time. If he does that, he will be a very, very good player."
MacDonald believes Veretout can be an artist in the middle of the park for Villa in the coming years.
He wants the Frenchman to have the same impact in games as Tottenham legend Glenn Hoddle.
He added: "I want to see him creating more chances with his passing.
"It's not necessarily about being further up the pitch. Glenn Hoddle didn't have to run up and down the pitch. But he was the most wonderful passer this country had in a long, long time.
"It's not about being a holding midfielder or an attacking midfielder - Jordan needs to be a midfielder who gets on the ball more than anybody else in the team."
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Nice to see comments from Kevin Mac about the qualities of a player in a positive way, of all our signings Verretout gives the impression that he could be the player we've been missing in midfield.
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I think people have already pointed this out, and there's a bit of hindsight talking, but it really has been a poor decision for us to have kept playing Westwood all this time (who is what he is - squad player, handy in some situations, out of his depth in others) instead of letting Veretout, who has much more upside, learn on the job. If fitness is a problem, you can always take him off after 60 or 70. Yet we've hit November and he's barely played.
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I'd love to see him in the pocket just ahead of Sanchez and Gueye. No major defensive responsibilities and three willing runners ahead of him.
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Good to hear.
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I'd love to see him in the pocket just ahead of Sanchez and Gueye. No major defensive responsibilities and three willing runners ahead of him.
Exactly the place I would play him also
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Me too. The real alternative to hoofball. Pinpoint passing to forward runners.
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Add me into that. The only thing in my view that hampers where he plays is the lack of positional discipline from Grealish in my opinion. If we are going to play the 3 in midfield and let Vertout be in that pocket then we either have to go narrow with 2 strikers, in a diamond, or in the 4-2-3-1 Grealish has to play and stay out on the left or the right to give us some tactical integrity. The only time he has really stuck in a position well was Leicester, when he and Gil hurt them all the time. He is a wonderful talent but I think he needs to learn to play a role for the team that would allow others to flourish too, such as Vertout.
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I'd love to see him in the pocket just ahead of Sanchez and Gueye. No major defensive responsibilities and three willing runners ahead of him.
Exactly the place I would play him also
and me as well. But this is Aston Villa and the obvious never happens.
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Hard one to resolve ozz because when Grealish is on song he is very unpredictable. He can and does go anywhere.
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Hard one to resolve ozz because when Grealish is on song he is very unpredictable. He can and does go anywhere.
I'm not too worried by that. If we have a three of Gueye, Sanchez and Vertout then Grealish and Ayew should have a fair amount of freedom to find the holes to hurt teams. Beside I think a lot of Grealish's best stuff happens when starting from the left, giving Vertout the opportunity to push forward centrally when we have possession.
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I think the team just has to be Veretout in midfield with Gana and Sanchez supporting an attacking three of Gil, Grealish and Ayew. There's surely no other way.
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From Kevin Mac
"He wants the Frenchman to have the same impact in games as Tottenham legend Glenn Hoddle.
He added: "I want to see him creating more chances with his passing.
"It's not necessarily about being further up the pitch. Glenn Hoddle didn't have to run up and down the pitch. But he was the most wonderful passer this country had in a long, long time.
"It's not about being a holding midfielder or an attacking midfielder - Jordan needs to be a midfielder who gets on the ball more than anybody else in the team."
Surely we would prefer him to be as good as our own legend Sid Cowans, who is this Hoddle character he speaks of?
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I think the team just has to be Veretout in midfield with Gana and Sanchez supporting an attacking three of Gil, Grealish and Ayew. There's surely no other way.
I think that would be the way forward or maybe the same midfield three with just Grealish in the floating role and Ayew and possibly Kozak as the front two?
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I think the team just has to be Veretout in midfield with Gana and Sanchez supporting an attacking three of Gil, Grealish and Ayew. There's surely no other way.
I think it'd also be worth considering a Veretout-Gueye midfield and another attacking player (Sinclair or Adama?), if you're willing to take a risk on that being less defensively solid.
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I think the team just has to be Veretout in midfield with Gana and Sanchez supporting an attacking three of Gil, Grealish and Ayew. There's surely no other way.
I think that would be the way forward or maybe the same midfield three with just Grealish in the floating role and Ayew and possibly Kozak as the front two?
Grealish or Gil in that role, in the 4-3-1-2 (which Garde did play a fair bit at Lyon). I think it's worth trying anything to get Veretout, Gil and Grealish in the same team, because they're the ones looking most sharp and promising in situations demanding a bit of creativity. Kozak could also be the striker in the 4-3-3, but Ayew might be better in that team because of his pace (Gil's not slouchy, but Grealish and Veretout are not exactly racing-car speed).
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It's incredible that we are in November and still not seen anything like the front 6 starting that we all would like to
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You have a good point there Mont. The flashes of brilliance we have seen from Veretout (the three I have seen anyway) have been passes inside the defending full back. The recipient of the pass has to have the pace to latch on to it.
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I'd love to see him in the pocket just ahead of Sanchez and Gueye. No major defensive responsibilities and three willing runners ahead of him.
Exactly the place I would play him also
Agreed - football doesn't always have to be complicated.
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I think the team just has to be Veretout in midfield with Gana and Sanchez supporting an attacking three of Gil, Grealish and Ayew. There's surely no other way.
I think that would be the way forward or maybe the same midfield three with just Grealish in the floating role and Ayew and possibly Kozak as the front two?
Grealish or Gil in that role, in the 4-3-1-2 (which Garde did play a fair bit at Lyon). I think it's worth trying anything to get Veretout, Gil and Grealish in the same team, because they're the ones looking most sharp and promising in situations demanding a bit of creativity. Kozak could also be the striker in the 4-3-3, but Ayew might be better in that team because of his pace (Gil's not slouchy, but Grealish and Veretout are not exactly racing-car speed).
I don't see Ayew playing through the middle though. I think he's better cutting in from the wing but it's worth a try.
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I agree, it's a concern because he doesn't seem to like getting the ball with his back to goal - he prefers to face-up a defender and run, which he can do more on the wing. On the other hand, he would be better at pressing defenders and winning the ball back high up the pitch, so who knows.
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Which brings us back full circle to the exploitation of width. Not all the front men have to be lightning quick but if they are not, the ones with speed have to get behind the defence then cut the ball back to a rushing forward. It is my opinion that Libor Kozak would bury them all day long. Even Gestede if they had a bit of elevation.
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Kevin Mac talking him up will be more effective than Sherwood and his 'I didn't want these players' routine
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I think Grealish is more effective out wide at the moment where he can isolate a defender, whereas Gil tends to show a bit more movement behind the front man.
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Kevin Mac talking him up will be more effective than Sherwood and his 'I didn't want these players' routine
publicly admitting he didn't want to sign certain players was just stupid. Even if that is the case why never admit it? What value can that possibly bring? Add that to the bomb squad and Randy's mysterious appearances at the club as yet another bizarre entry in our recent history.
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A 4-3-3 with Gil and Grealish wide of a striker would be a relatively narrow one - neither of them are chalk-booted winger types - but the three in the middle of the pitch would allow the full-backs to get forward more safely as one midfielder will always be able to nip across and cover.
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I think the team just has to be Veretout in midfield with Gana and Sanchez supporting an attacking three of Gil, Grealish and Ayew. There's surely no other way.
I think that would be the way forward or maybe the same midfield three with just Grealish in the floating role and Ayew and possibly Kozak as the front two?
Grealish or Gil in that role, in the 4-3-1-2 (which Garde did play a fair bit at Lyon). I think it's worth trying anything to get Veretout, Gil and Grealish in the same team, because they're the ones looking most sharp and promising in situations demanding a bit of creativity. Kozak could also be the striker in the 4-3-3, but Ayew might be better in that team because of his pace (Gil's not slouchy, but Grealish and Veretout are not exactly racing-car speed).
Veretout looks pretty quick to me, he has that deceptive action that Seedorf had where he drifts across the ground quite effortlessly but seems to always find half a yard on people, it wouldn't surprise me if he's one of the top 3-4 in the squad over 20-25 yards (Amavi is the quickest and Richards is right up there).
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A 4-3-3 with Gil and Grealish wide of a striker would be a relatively narrow one - neither of them are chalk-booted winger types - but the three in the middle of the pitch would allow the full-backs to get forward more safely as one midfielder will always be able to nip across and cover.
Personally I think Gil and Grealish should compete for one spot - both are cunning and have Silva like tendencies. Similarly Ayew and Traore should compete for the other support role - the pacy options.
Who the third player is, the striker, is anyone's guess. Hopefully Remi will have a player in mind for January.
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A 4-3-3 with Gil and Grealish wide of a striker would be a relatively narrow one - neither of them are chalk-booted winger types - but the three in the middle of the pitch would allow the full-backs to get forward more safely as one midfielder will always be able to nip across and cover.
Personally I think Gil and Grealish should compete for one spot - both are cunning and have Silva like tendencies. Similarly Ayew and Traore should compete for the other support role - the pacy options.
Who the third player is, the striker, is anyone's guess. Hopefully Remi will have a player in mind for January.
I disagree - the only times we've looked really effective this season have involved Gil and Grealish linking up. Leicester is the case in point: the two of them were constantly menacing and made each other play better. If you only pick one, whoever that one is has too much responsibility and tends to look isolated.
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I'm with Monty, I'd like to see us trying to start Grealish, Gil and Veretout together more often than not, especially at home, they all have good movement and vision and can take defenders out of position. A striker who can make the most of the space that they create (be that Ayew or Kozak) and we should look much more of a threat up front.
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The one thing about Garde from what we can tell is that he likes to use different formations and systems. That's going to be useful because for the last two managers they gave up on that kind of approach and simply ended doing the same thing over and over again. There's no reason to think we can't use Gestede in certain situations or both Grealish and Traore. I want us to be flexible and versatile so that opposition can't easily prepare for us. I am hoping Garde brings that element of thought, strategy and surprise to the club.
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Kevin Mac talking him up will be more effective than Sherwood and his 'I didn't want these players' routine
publicly admitting he didn't want to sign certain players was just stupid. Even if that is the case why never admit it? What value can that possibly bring? Add that to the bomb squad and Randy's mysterious appearances at the club as yet another bizarre entry in our recent history.
Because he's an egotistical cock socket that knew he was going to get the boot and wanted to start getting his retaliation in first would be my guess.
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The one thing about Garde from what we can tell is that he likes to use different formations and systems. That's going to be useful because for the last two managers they gave up on that kind of approach and simply ended doing the same thing over and over again. There's no reason to think we can't use Gestede in certain situations or both Grealish and Traore. I want us to be flexible and versatile so that opposition can't easily prepare for us. I am hoping Garde brings that element of thought, strategy and surprise to the club.
he does but the constant is that he likes to have someone sat in front of the back 4 so I think Sanchez and/or a more defensive Gana are going to be very important. That should mean that Veretout gets more freedom to control the game.
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The one thing about Garde from what we can tell is that he likes to use different formations and systems. That's going to be useful because for the last two managers they gave up on that kind of approach and simply ended doing the same thing over and over again. There's no reason to think we can't use Gestede in certain situations or both Grealish and Traore. I want us to be flexible and versatile so that opposition can't easily prepare for us. I am hoping Garde brings that element of thought, strategy and surprise to the club.
he does but the constant is that he likes to have someone sat in front of the back 4 so I think Sanchez and/or a more defensive Gana are going to be very important. That should mean that Veretout gets more freedom to control the game.
I think Veretout has looked more comfortable in a deeper role and I think he would be OK in a midfield two with Sanchez or Gana. I thought he had his game yet against Stoke, but then hasn't featured since.
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I read somewhere that he created or scored 43% of his team's goals last season. That suggests number ten to me.
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I'd push Veretout forward and use Gana deep.
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Veretout - not sure he's quick enough to play a proper no 10 role?
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Veretout - not sure he's quick enough to play a proper no 10 role?
But he can play as a creative in a midfield three, freeing up Gana to break forward occasionally.
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As I said above, watch his videos, he doesn't break into a sprint all that often but when he chooses to he's plenty quick enough, especially over 5-10yards. I'm surprised people are questioning his pace. He's been caught on his heels a few times but that's common for people coming to the league so nothing to worry about and against Stoke he showed that he'd started to adapt to it.
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I'd play him in a 3 behind a striker personally with Gil and Grealish. Full backs providing the width (as they will cut in) and the two deeper midfielders covering when needed.
--------------------Bunn-------------------
Richards--Okore---Clark-----Amavi
------------Sanchez-------Gueye----------
----Gil------------Veretout----------Grealish
-----------------Kozak/Ayew---------------
That's what I'd rock up with. Possibly too open though. Drop Guzan, I have no idea how good Bunn is but there needs to be a change there. Would like Kozak to be given a crack as he's always made intelligent runs when I've seen him play.
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I like the look of that edgy - swashbuckling.
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I'd play him in a 3 behind a striker personally with Gil and Grealish. Full backs providing the width (as they will cut in) and the two deeper midfielders covering when needed.
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Richards--Okore---Clark-----Amavi
------------Sanchez-------Gueye----------
----Gil------------Veretout----------Grealish
-----------------Kozak/Ayew---------------
That's what I'd rock up with. Possibly too open though. Drop Guzan, I have no idea how good Bunn is but there needs to be a change there. Would like Kozak to be given a crack as he's always made intelligent runs when I've seen him play.
I like it also apart from don't think we can have Grealish and Gil together - its one of the other with the other place being either Ayew or Gabby and 3rd choice Sinclair
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I'd play him in a 3 behind a striker personally with Gil and Grealish. Full backs providing the width (as they will cut in) and the two deeper midfielders covering when needed.
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Richards--Okore---Clark-----Amavi
------------Sanchez-------Gueye----------
----Gil------------Veretout----------Grealish
-----------------Kozak/Ayew---------------
That's what I'd rock up with. Possibly too open though. Drop Guzan, I have no idea how good Bunn is but there needs to be a change there. Would like Kozak to be given a crack as he's always made intelligent runs when I've seen him play.
I like it also apart from don't think we can have Grealish and Gil together - its one of the other with the other place being either Ayew or Gabby and 3rd choice Sinclair
So that's Ayew then 😄.
Can I change Clark...
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I'd play him in a 3 behind a striker personally with Gil and Grealish. Full backs providing the width (as they will cut in) and the two deeper midfielders covering when needed.
That's what I'd rock up with. Possibly too open though. Drop Guzan, I have no idea how good Bunn is but there needs to be a change there. Would like Kozak to be given a crack as he's always made intelligent runs when I've seen him play.
I like that team. It can easily add more solidity without the need for subs which is no bad thing, although I'm not sure the players are savvy enough to recognise when a change is required.
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Richards--Okore---Clark-----Amavi
------Sanchez----Vertout-----Gueye----------
----Gil-----------------------------Grealish
-----------------Kozak/Ayew---------------
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I would have Richards and Okore at centre half with Hutton at right back. Hutton has done very little wrong and Clark/ Lescott have been awful and made too many goal costing errors to stay in.
I would also play Sinclair left, Gil right and Ayew up top and have Grealish as an impact player.
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I think Jordan will like the new manager......very much indeed.
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I'd play him in a 3 behind a striker personally with Gil and Grealish. Full backs providing the width (as they will cut in) and the two deeper midfielders covering when needed.
That's what I'd rock up with. Possibly too open though. Drop Guzan, I have no idea how good Bunn is but there needs to be a change there. Would like Kozak to be given a crack as he's always made intelligent runs when I've seen him play.
I like that team. It can easily add more solidity without the need for subs which is no bad thing, although I'm not sure the players are savvy enough to recognise when a change is required.
--------------------Bunn-------------------
Richards--Okore---Clark-----Amavi
------Sanchez----Vertout-----Gueye----------
----Gil-----------------------------Grealish
-----------------Kozak/Ayew---------------
Exactly Dante. Veretout also has a really good engine on him which gets over looked. I really think (and hope) we'll see completely different line ups with Remi coming in.
Thank fuck.
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I'd play him in a 3 behind a striker personally with Gil and Grealish. Full backs providing the width (as they will cut in) and the two deeper midfielders covering when needed.
That's what I'd rock up with. Possibly too open though. Drop Guzan, I have no idea how good Bunn is but there needs to be a change there. Would like Kozak to be given a crack as he's always made intelligent runs when I've seen him play.
I like that team. It can easily add more solidity without the need for subs which is no bad thing, although I'm not sure the players are savvy enough to recognise when a change is required.
--------------------Bunn-------------------
Richards--Okore---Clark-----Amavi
------Sanchez----Vertout-----Gueye----------
----Gil-----------------------------Grealish
-----------------Kozak/Ayew---------------
Exactly Dante. Veretout also has a really good engine on him which gets over looked. I really think (and hope) we'll see completely different line ups with Remi coming in.
Thank fuck.
Now let me start this by saying that I want Veretout in the team, because I've seen glimpses of real class in his play. However I haven't seen anyone with less of an engine than Veretout at the moment. I'm assuming that it's because he's barely played and I hope that once he's up to speed his fitness will be a lot better.
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Now that Remi is on board I think we will see the best out of the Jordans.
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I think they will be given a proper opportunity. That's as much as should be expected. The rest is up to them. And if they are good as we hope they are it will be fun watching them.
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Jordan is definitely a potentially excellent player. Once he gets more minutes under his belt he'll be running things.
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Il etait bon aujord-hui.
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Still slow on the ball when opponents press quickly.
That said I've been calling for Sanchez-Gana-Veretout as the three for a while so it should be preserved with until January. Westwood has had his chances.
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I think he's slow on the ball sometimes purely down to lack of game time.
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what has he played 3 games? give him another 6 and we will have a top player.
wetwood aint going to get a sniff
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Veretout has great vision, you can see it in his play. Once his match fitness catches up he'll be great.
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Needs match time - he looked somewhat static and needs to acclimate to the faster pace of the British game. But he clearly has the right basics so lets hope Remi can really help him flourish in this league
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Can't make my mind up about him, he gave the ball away an awful lot today but occasionally he made a decent pass that makes you think, "okay there maybe a decent player in there somewhere".
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I thought he did well for the majority of todays game. He faded as it went on.
There is no doubt in my mind that he is a much, much better player than Westwood
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All the three midfield players playing today have the ability to tackle and beat an opposition player. Westwood cannot.
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His instinct seems to be "go forward". Get him up to match speed, and I think/hope we've got us a bit of a player.
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Can't make my mind up about him, he gave the ball away an awful lot today but occasionally he made a decent pass that makes you think, "okay there maybe a decent player in there somewhere".
More accurate passes than any other midfielder on the pitch today. Encouraging display.
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Looked a little sluggish and out of shape today. I think it's match fitness.
Give him a few more games and he'll be an asset
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I see traces of James Milner in him, there is certainly something to work with.
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He reminds me of Barry more than Milner. Considering the occasion and the opposition I thought he did bloody well today.
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Can't make my mind up about him, he gave the ball away an awful lot today but occasionally he made a decent pass that makes you think, "okay there maybe a decent player in there somewhere".
I'm in the meh camp so far on him too, thought he went missing for a good while in the second half.
Good player running with the ball but does need to get a lot fitter to be a true box to box midfielder in this league.
We will be playing with three in midfield for the rest of the season, so that should help Veretout and Gueye develop more.
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He reminds me of Barry more than Milner. Considering the occasion and the opposition I thought he did bloody well today.
Yes he has Barry's subtlety and hopefully can combine that with Milner's energy and we will have perfect player.
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Thought he was flaggging in the second half then got a second wind.
Decent player no doubt and should have been playing a lot more.
Will get better with games.
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I thought he looked very good, actually. A couple of very good passes, good movement off the ball, worked his arse off till the end even though he was obviously hurting and knackered, and had a made a few really nice touches and turns to beat players. You can't do those if you're just average.
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I thought he had a very good game against Man City. The same applies to the players as applies to the manager you need a brain or two in the team. Veretout is an intelligent player and a technically very good one. I don't know how true the reports are that he is a cigarette smoker but that would account for his wind problems in the closing stages of games. Intelligence and cigarette smoking are mutually exclusive for a huge raft of reasons.
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One thing I like about him is that he is capable of receiving the ball when under a bit of pressure and playing himself out of it with a little turn or a well-timed burst of pace. The last midfielder we had who was able to do that consistently was Petrov.
He gave the ball away a few times, but on each occasion he was trying the right pass. There's no problem with his vision. Like Sanchez, I think his distribution will improve when he gets up to speed with the game and starts releasing the ball just a second or two earlier.
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Whips in a decent corner. Makes a nice change.
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I think Veretout is going to be very influential given time - didn't his old Chairman say he probably came to the PL a year too early?
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One thing I like about him is that he is capable of receiving the ball when under a bit of pressure and playing himself out of it with a little turn or a well-timed burst of pace. The last midfielder we had who was able to do that consistently was Petrov.
He gave the ball away a few times, but on each occasion he was trying the right pass. There's no problem with his vision. Like Sanchez, I think his distribution will improve when he gets up to speed with the game and starts releasing the ball just a second or two earlier.
This is what I was trying to get at a couple of pages back when I was saying I thought he surprise people with his pace, he does seem to have just enough to burst away from a defender and for a central midfielder I think that is much more valuable than Gabby style pace that you never really use because you're always on your heels.
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Another thing about Veretout that I thought really stood out yesterday (and I think it has in his previous appearances too) is that his movement off the ball is miles better than Westwood. You can see him look about him and then move quickly into a new space ready to receive the ball. As someone mentioned above, that he is willing to do that and receive the ball in tight spots already bodes well I think.
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Where are the reports that he is a smoker?
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Another thing about Veretout that I thought really stood out yesterday (and I think it has in his previous appearances too) is that his movement off the ball is miles better than Westwood. You can see him look about him and then move quickly into a new space ready to receive the ball. As someone mentioned above, that he is willing to do that and receive the ball in tight spots already bodes well I think.
He's intelligent and plays on his toes, he's always looking for gaps, either to pass into or move into. Even in his stop-start career with us so far I've seen enough to know that he can become a great player if he works hard for it, his natural instincts are superb (like Amavi who I think will be genuinely world class). I think we have 4-5 proper footballers in the squad now (add Gil, Grealish and possibly Ilori, who I really want to see play a few games before long) who have all the natural understanding of the game you want.
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Where are the reports that he is a smoker?
I doubt there are any.
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He's a potential star. In addition to all the plaudits already mentioned above, he is also feisty. I like his attitude. With a decent run in the team, he may also score a few - particularly the opportunity to exploit set pieces, an area of our game that has been abject over the last 6 years or so.
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Once his fitness improves he'll be very useful indeed.
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Out of all our signings Veretout is the one that excites me the most. I think he is going to be a very good player for Villa.
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Sanchez would have been my MOTM Sunday and he lasted the whole game. I find that interesting considering the change of manager, opposition and his midfield partners.
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Sanchez would have been my MOTM Sunday and he lasted the whole game. I find that interesting considering the change of manager, opposition and his midfield partners.
Amazing what a balanced midfield that means that there's not 1 doing the work of 2 or 2 doing the work of 3 can do.
Also noticeable was how much better on the ball Sanchez looked, both with his passing and his confidence to take on players to get out of trouble.
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Both were great on Sunday. Looking forward to them getting better and better.
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Where are the reports that he is a smoker?
I doubt there are any.
I thought he was getting mud off his studs but maybe he was tapping his pipe out
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Sanchez would have been my MOTM Sunday and he lasted the whole game. I find that interesting considering the change of manager, opposition and his midfield partners.
Amazing what a balanced midfield that means that there's not 1 doing the work of 2 or 2 doing the work of 3 can do.
Also noticeable was how much better on the ball Sanchez looked, both with his passing and his confidence to take on players to get out of trouble.
Considering he's a defensive midfielder known as "The Rock" he's a really gifted player...complements Gana and Veretout incredibly well.
Hope they all stay fit and form a solid midfield for us for the rest of the season.
Have the three of them gone away on international duty? I always fear for any of our lot coming back injured.
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Where are the reports that he is a smoker?
I doubt there are any.
I thought he was getting mud off his studs but maybe he was tapping his pipe out
didnt Cantona smoke ?
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Where are the reports that he is a smoker?
I doubt there are any.
I thought he was getting mud off his studs but maybe he was tapping his pipe out
didnt Cantona smoke ?
*shruggs, purses lips*
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Where are the reports that he is a smoker?
I doubt there are any.
I thought he was getting mud off his studs but maybe he was tapping his pipe out
didnt Cantona smoke ?
Are all French people just assumed to be smokers?
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They all smoke when they are on fire. Eric Bartholomew circa 1959.
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If it isn't the law that all French people are beholden to smoke, read small hardback books outside cafes and drink a bottle of red wine with lunch at midday then it fucking well ought to be.
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A perfect description of BE down to the parking ticket as a bookmark.
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I gave up the Camels in 2007!
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I still think he has certain technical flaws which mean he always tends to go backwards when receiving the ball. The one thing I do like about him though is that he seems to be able to really drive with the ball and go past players.
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what do we reckon on JV now?
My United following mate was very impressed with him at Newcastle.
A head up player, superb at set pieces, getting fitter and stronger on the ball and good to run with it.
Unlike Gueye seems to pick the right option always.
I know Ayew is getting the (limited) limelight but Veretout looks our most talented player.
Think our biggest challenge will be trying to get Veretout and Grealish into the same team.
Discuss?
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I agree Bronte. Useful player and could be freed up a little more if we had better defensive cover behind him. I would like to see him get in to the box more and add to the goal tally but Like Ayew, looks a good player. I hope we can get Toulalan or Inler to play behind him, or next to him.
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I think he needs to work on his upper body a little over the summer too to help with the physicality here. He has a nice burst of pace when he gets the ball, good heads up passer, I think there's a few goals in him. Like him a lot. I remember someone who knew a bit about French football saying he was the best player we've bought from over there but we wont see the best of him until next season. Unfortantely it will be in the Championship but I see him bossing midfields down there, could be a very very good player when we bounce back.
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If we get relegated I'd be amazed if he wasn't bought by a top flight club.
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If we get relegated I'd be amazed if he wasn't bought by a top flight club.
I have a good feeling about him, unless we are selling he won't kick a fuss and ask to leave, he will give us a season. Gueye I think the opposite of and I think he will want out, he's looked off mentally for the past few months. Ayew, who knows. Just my opinion not really based on anything other than gut.
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Why are people talking as if we're already down when it hasn't happened yet?
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Why are people taking as if we're already down when it hasn't happened yet?
I said if.
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Why are people taking as if we're already down when it hasn't happened yet?
The same way as some people are talking about the cold snap that we are going to have at some point soon. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't and statistically it is very likely. So likely that you could talk about it as if it's already happened because it definitely going to happen.
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Why are people taking as if we're already down when it hasn't happened yet?
The same way as some people are talking about the cold snap that we are going to have at some point soon. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't and statistically it is very likely. So likely that you could talk about it as if it's already happened because it definitely going to happen.
Or we could have a mild winter?
Relegation is not 'definitely' going to happen. It might, it well could, but it also might not. Simple as that really.
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Why are people taking as if we're already down when it hasn't happened yet?
The same way as some people are talking about the cold snap that we are going to have at some point soon. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't and statistically it is very likely. So likely that you could talk about it as if it's already happened because it definitely going to happen.
Or we could have a mild winter?
Relegation is not 'definitely' going to happen. It might, it well could, but it also might not. Simple as that really.
No, like us having a cold snap sometime soon it is going to happen. Definitely.
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what we haven't done yet is put any kind of pressure on those above us. Our first win will do that, especially if other results go in our favour. Reduce the gap to 7 points and it is a bit more manageable, then to 4 or 5, and onwards. Right now it is a huge gap both in actuality and mentally. But so much of sports is played in the mind and we have to come out of this stretch of 4-5 games not only having won games and closed the points difference, but critically psychologically added pressure to other relegation threatened sides around us.
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Veretout is a quality player and he's getting better with every game.
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I think it was the Stoke game when he was looking to make things happen and more importantly he looked like he gave a toss.
I see him as our number 10
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I hope I am not breaking any confidences with this post but, at the meeting with Fox, he pretty much suggested it was Veretout and Ayew who were holding the squad together on the playing side.
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I think he needs to work on his upper body a little over the summer too to help with the physicality here. He has a nice burst of pace when he gets the ball, good heads up passer, I think there's a few goals in him. Like him a lot. I remember someone who knew a bit about French football saying he was the best player we've bought from over there but we wont see the best of him until next season. Unfortantely it will be in the Championship but I see him bossing midfields down there, could be a very very good player when we bounce back.
aj2k77,
It may have been me as my French mates were giving me the lowdown in the summer. They reckoned Gana was the best suited to English football (how we laugh), Amavi was ok going forward but suspect defensively (spot on), Ayew was up and down and Veretout was generally who? Their summation was that buying players from middling French team wasn't going to set the world alight.
Amavi impressed me early on but you can tell he was originally an attacking midfielder. Ayew has been the best of the bunch of late, while Veretout has started to show flashes of what we need. I think he is best played up the field but I am told he has never really been a goalscorer.
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He must be gutted that he chose us over Leicester. Mind you he wouldn't get into the Leicester side to be honest.
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I hope I am not breaking any confidences with this post but, at the meeting with Fox, he pretty much suggested it was Veretout and Ayew who were holding the squad together on the playing side.
Did he? Pretty blunt revelation, more to the point pretty worrying.
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I think he needs to work on his upper body a little over the summer too to help with the physicality here. He has a nice burst of pace when he gets the ball, good heads up passer, I think there's a few goals in him. Like him a lot. I remember someone who knew a bit about French football saying he was the best player we've bought from over there but we wont see the best of him until next season. Unfortantely it will be in the Championship but I see him bossing midfields down there, could be a very very good player when we bounce back.
aj2k77,
It may have been me as my French mates were giving me the lowdown in the summer. They reckoned Gana was the best suited to English football (how we laugh), Amavi was ok going forward but suspect defensively (spot on), Ayew was up and down and Veretout was generally who? Their summation was that buying players from middling French team wasn't going to set the world alight.
Amavi impressed me early on but you can tell he was originally an attacking midfielder. Ayew has been the best of the bunch of late, while Veretout has started to show flashes of what we need. I think he is best played up the field but I am told he has never really been a goalscorer.
I thought he played well in a more advanced role against Newcastle, but am still not sure whether he would be suited to a deeper role in the long run. He looks the sort who is neat and tidy in possession and has a good long range shot on him, but maybe not the most dynamic and creative. I would still like to see Grealish or Gil playing in attacking midfield role, but I think their unwillingness to work back might be going against them.
As for Gana, I think he is in a bit of a rough patch at the moment, but think he definitely has ability and could come good.
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He must be gutted that he chose us over Leicester. Mind you he wouldn't get into the Leicester side to be honest.
He would be in their side I think, as they only signed Kante a few days later after missing out on Veretout. Don't suppose they are too disappointed with how that worked out mind, Kante's been excellent, he's everything Gana should be.
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I thought he was excellent again yesterday.
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He's really becoming an excellent player.
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I like JV.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/aston-villa-star-blasts-tim-sherwood-says-he-didn-t-speak-to-him
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Me too. Also some people in the media are saying that the results under Garde have vindicated Sherwood, which I don't agree with at all. I think Sherwood completely screwed us this season by not trying to bed the likes of Veretout and Ayew in earlier. If he'd done his job properly we'd probably still be in the bottom 3, but I reckon we'd be in with much more of a chance.
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He is a good player. Unlucky to not have 2-3 goals in the last few games too. I would be working overtime if I was Garde to convince him to lead the way next season. I think there are goals and creativity in him.
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Me too. Also some people in the media are saying that the results under Garde have vindicated Sherwood, which I don't agree with at all. I think Sherwood completely screwed us this season by not trying to bed the likes of Veretout and Ayew in earlier. If he'd done his job properly we'd probably still be in the bottom 3, but I reckon we'd be in with much more of a chance.
All the games since have made 'two short planks' Kmac's farewell team selection look even more ridiculous.
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He is a good player. Unlucky to not have 2-3 goals in the last few games too. I would be working overtime if I was Garde to convince him to lead the way next season. I think there are goals and creativity in him.
Still not sure if he is suited to a more attacking or a more deeper role. He definitely seems to be improving though.
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He is a good player. Unlucky to not have 2-3 goals in the last few games too. I would be working overtime if I was Garde to convince him to lead the way next season. I think there are goals and creativity in him.
Still not sure if he is suited to a more attacking or a more deeper role. He definitely seems to be improving though.
That kind of description is usually the preserve of 2 kinds of player.
1. Shit at everything.
2. Genuine class.
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in my humble opinion, neither of which could fairly describe him. Time will tell.
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Can we talk about this lad for a second. I think along with Ayew he has been absolutely superb of late. Works himself into the ground, technically very good, but you can't fault his desire. He's looking a lot fitter now and I thought he was excellent again last night.
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I agree. He's been quietly improving for a while now.
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I like this lad. He will develop into a very good attacking midfielder in couple of years.
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Sadly I don't think we'll be able to hang onto Ayew if (when) we go down but hopefully we can keep this lad. Do a good sell job on another young and promising creative central midfielder, plus Grealish/Gil/Adama and that really should be a good enough supply line to get out of the Championship. Obviously we'd still need a striker but if Sinclair and Gestede can both score something close to 20 in a season down there, surely the standard can't be that high.
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He's a quality player.
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His commitment to get to the ball first a few times last night was all joy but he played 2 wonderful passes one first half one second that were inch perfect to set up good opportunities down the flanks.
Becoming my favourite player. I love Ayew but really enjoy watching Veretout at times. Shame it will likely be short lived.
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He was excellent last night. It may just be me, but his face has a serial killer look about it.
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needs a goal, player with his ability should be scoring a decent number
I know Garde likes the side to be compact but its Veretout we should be encouraging to get beyond the strikers
four assists so far including last night, all set pieces I think Lescott x 2, Richards v Watford, think the Ayew goal at Newcastle was due to one of his deliveries that was recovered
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four assists so far including last night, all set pieces I think Lescott x 2, Richards v Watford, think the Ayew goal at Newcastle was due to one of his deliveries that was recovered
Needs to put some practice in to turn his fast, accurate, dangerous corners into our traditional, pointless, floaty ones.
It doesn't feel like a proper Villa side without them.
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Too true. None of this menacing ball across the box lark.
He reminds me a bit of Barry in his younger days. Agree about goals. He was unlucky at Sunderland and home against West Ham.. 2 very decent efforts saved. Proves he can shoot.
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It was in the second half yesterday when he spanked an absolute killer pass inch perfectly the width of the pitch. A sign of confidence and what he's capable of.
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4 assists so far this season in a team struggling to score, not a bad return at all. His confidence has rocketed under Remi. I really like him, if we go down we must keep him and Ayew.
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Said it before
He will become the French Dennis Mortimer
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Said it before
He will become the French Dennis Mortimer
I just misread that as French Prime Minister
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Said it before
He will become the French Dennis Mortimer
Like.
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I like him as well, he's got a great touch and he's very quick over 5-10yards which really helps. On top of that he's clearly got an eye for a pass, having a forward who can move will help him a lot as well.
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Said it before
He will become the French Dennis Mortimer
I just misread that as French Prime Minister
Dennis Mortimer is going to be French Prime Minister? Cool!
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Said it before
He will become the French Dennis Mortimer
I just misread that as French Prime Minister
Ditch your pride and get those reading specs on. It comes to all of us😊
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No way should the French prime minister be on the right side of midfield he should be in the middle driving us forward raining shots on goal.
P.s. The French prime minister is piss poor at taking corners
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No way should the French prime minister be on the right side of midfield he should be in the middle driving us forward raining shots on goal.
P.s. The French prime minister is piss poor at taking corners
I agree, on both counts.
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Did you know? The current French PM is 5'8" tall and was born in Barcelona. He speaks Catalan and French and will thus annoy Micah and Flabby.
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Anyone know where he is or has gone?
Eric Black seems to think Westwood, Richardson and Bacuna are better players than him, has he been kidnapped?
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Anyone know where he is or has gone?
Eric Black seems to think Westwood, Richardson and Bacuna are better players than him, has he been kidnapped?
Fell down the same hole at Bodymoor Heath as Okore I think.
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No Vertout, Traore or Okore. Incredible.
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No Vertout, Traore or Okore. Incredible.
Unless they're injured, there's obviously an 'issue' with Veretout and Okore. If it's an attitude issue, I can't imagine how bad their attitudes must be considering who is playing ahead of them.
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No Vertout, Traore or Okore. Incredible.
Unless they're injured, there's obviously an 'issue' with Veretout and Okore. If it's an attitude issue, I can't imagine how bad their attitudes must be considering who is playing ahead of them.
I can only see it being one of two things:
1 - As you said, they're kicking up behind the scenes and want out. So Black has left them completely out.
2. They are two that will be staying next year and he wants to keep them out the bad atmosphere around the first team to protect them.
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Perhaps Okore and Veretout have kicked up about specific other players in the team and on the bench - Lescott? Guzan? Bacuna?
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It's a worry that the players who could be our future are nowhere near the first team and the c$%ts who got Villa here in the first place are still being picked.
I do hope it is to protect them and let the a-holes get the dogs abuse. If it is the Black has done a better job than I give him credit for and commend him. If not then he is as bad as the c"$ty players who shouldn't be playing for us next year.
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JD I don't think Eric Black has the intelligence to protect potentially important future players and I don't think he has the courage to make the malingerers face their comeuppance. He is doing what our last caretaker manager KMac did at Spurs with the difference that KMac did it from malice Eric Black is doing it from stupidity.
As a respected friend on the Holte said as we walked out after Chelsea, team selection seems to be the throwing of a pile of shirts on the dressing room floor and letting the ones who feel like a game pick one up.
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2. They are two that will be staying next year and he wants to keep them out the bad atmosphere around the first team to protect them.
I can't imagine that could be a reason. How would he know whether they are staying or not? If somebody bids enough for any of our players then we'll be selling them.
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But he's already intimated that he wants to be here next season. If he is just being petty and vindictive then he's unlikely to be welcomed by the new manager and the players left behind would just be resentful. For that reason alone I think there's some purpose behind or towards his selections.
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Anybody seen the Mail's Villa player season ratings? Only Gabby's 2/10 is worse than Veretout's 3/10. Bacuna is the only one to get less than a 4. That's obviously ridiculous but I do struggle to see the fuss about Veretout. He looked promise for 5 or 6 games and his set piece deliveries are decent but he has been anonymous the rest of the season and has had some absolute stinkers. He's been a huge disappointment.
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Veretout is pretty shit but if he's not better than Westwood then I'm blind, know fuck all about football and he needs to retire.
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I think he has been ok. 2-3 really decent games, but I don't think we have ever found a system or style of play that suits him to be honest, and never really tried to either.
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One of the few i'd be sorry to see leave. I think he coud be great for us net season.
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He may not be worse than Westwood, but he isn't good enough. If you let players like delph and cleverley go who frankly weren't world beaters but competent within their limitations, and replace them with the likes of veretout and westwood then there's your problem. Arguing who's slightly shitter than the other is pointless, because as the managers have found out it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the result on the pitch
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I have seen some good things from him. He is still very young and will hopefully be more settled next season. We do need to settle on style and formation though because he doesn't seem to have a particular role.
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He's been dire, but still not as bad as Westwood or Richardson.
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When Richardson gets a game we've either just sacked a manger or off the back of a hammering.
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I think he has been afflicted by the Villa disease. Excellent when they first arrive then progressively worse the longer they stay with us. It has happened so many times it can only be a result of a combination of bad management, bad team selections, bad coaching, non existent team spirit, no leadership and the rock bottom morale consistent with five seasons of swirling round the relegation plughole.
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I think he has been afflicted by the Villa disease. Excellent when they first arrive then progressively worse the longer they stay with us. It has happened so many times it can only be a result of a combination of bad management, bad team selections, bad coaching, non existent team spirit, no leadership and the rock bottom morale consistent with five seasons of swirling round the relegation plughole.
I think there is something really foul in Bodymore - not only to promising new players go backwards, but promising youngsters don't appear to ever go forwards with us. And I would suggest this phenomenon goes on longer than the last 5 years too.
Does anyone know what they do in training, not in a facetious way, but does anyone know what they literally do? How much honing basic skills, how much tactics, how much game management? Or they just play 1sts vs 2nds matches the whole time? Because managers have come and gone, assistants have come and gone, first team coaches have come and gone etc but the end result is the same. We're always less than the sum of our parts and players mainly regress with us and don't progress.
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I think he's rubbish. What a waste of money.
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I think he is ok - it would be very rare for a young player coming from a foreign league and to tear up a league. He has been let down by his more experienced team mates.
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I think he is ok - it would be very rare for a young player coming from a foreign league and to tear up a league. He has been let down by his more experienced team mates.
He's contributed his fair share of dismal performances though.
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He has some promise. That's all. You can't stay in the PL with a lot of players who COULD be good in 3 years time. which rather sums up our summer transfers. Even Ayew who's probably been the best of the lot i wouldn't shed a tear over him leaving. Someone who could knock in 20+ goals for a premiership side in 2018 when you need them now is no better than a fat hasbeen like Gabby going through the motions. They really fucked up big time bringing these players in
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I think he is ok - it would be very rare for a young player coming from a foreign league and to tear up a league. He has been let down by his more experienced team mates.
He's contributed his fair share of dismal performances though.
I am prepared to cut him a lot more slack than others though. I also forgot to add in the obviously awful dressing room environment which is hardly going to aid a young player.
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if he had gone Leicester , would have been interesting.
has a lot to do with our club i think . Id like to see him with a new manager etc for a season .
I think Ayew, Aamavi , Gana and Adamaa if we can keep are all worth another season. With Okore and grealish . The other can go .
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I think he will grow in to a major player if we have right manager and better team and tactics. I wouldn't write him off, but if we get the offer to get money back i would take it.
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I have seen some good things from him. He is still very young and will hopefully be more settled next season. We do need to settle on style and formation though because he doesn't seem to have a particular role.
I don't consider at 23 "he is still very young" I saw him in France and thought he looked very good. Sometimes footballers take a season to settle in. Give him up to christmas and if it still isnt working send him back to France. We have seen flashes that suggest it could though.
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Ive just shared his photo on Facebook appealing for anyone who's seen him to inform the police immediately.
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Plus what a predicament he has to live with himself that he chose us over Leicester, of course only hindsight has shown this to be the wrong decision.
As a human that has to be hard to take, so if he's gonna stay next year, which I do hope because he does have the quality, then we need to show him some real love as Villa fans.
If he fails then bomb him, but I think if we show him the support we are capable off he is a guy that will play for us back with, dare I say it, passion
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I think if he stays, with a decent manager behind us he could be our best player. I really, really hope he stays.
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Plus what a predicament he has to live with himself that he chose us over Leicester, of course only hindsight has shown this to be the wrong decision.
As a human that has to be hard to take, so if he's gonna stay next year, which I do hope because he does have the quality, then we need to show him some real love as Villa fans.
If he fails then bomb him, but I think if we show him the support we are capable off he is a guy that will play for us back with, dare I say it, passion
If he's not good enough to get into a midfield of Westwood, Bacuna and Richardson, I'm struggling to see which of Leicester's midfielders he'd have got in ahead of.
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Plus what a predicament he has to live with himself that he chose us over Leicester, of course only hindsight has shown this to be the wrong decision.
As a human that has to be hard to take, so if he's gonna stay next year, which I do hope because he does have the quality, then we need to show him some real love as Villa fans.
If he fails then bomb him, but I think if we show him the support we are capable off he is a guy that will play for us back with, dare I say it, passion
If he's not good enough to get into a midfield of Westwood, Bacuna and Richardson, I'm struggling to see which of Leicester's midfielders he'd have got in ahead of.
He's better than all 3 of those put together, Leicester is a totally different atmosphere which hopefully we will have next season then we can see if he's any good
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I think he will grow in to a major player if we have right manager and better team and tactics. I wouldn't write him off, but if we get the offer to get money back i would take it.
It's deciding on the type of midfielder he is going to be that is the issue. I think he could be quite similar to Stan Petrov - came as an attacking midfielder but more suited to a deeper role in English football.
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Plus what a predicament he has to live with himself that he chose us over Leicester, of course only hindsight has shown this to be the wrong decision.
As a human that has to be hard to take, so if he's gonna stay next year, which I do hope because he does have the quality, then we need to show him some real love as Villa fans.
If he fails then bomb him, but I think if we show him the support we are capable off he is a guy that will play for us back with, dare I say it, passion
If he's not good enough to get into a midfield of Westwood, Bacuna and Richardson, I'm struggling to see which of Leicester's midfielders he'd have got in ahead of.
He's plenty good enough. As is Traore to be in the side ahead of Bacuna, Grealish to be in the side ahead of Richardson, as is Okore to be in the side ahead of Clark, especially on the right hand side of the CB pairing. Black is a fucking tool if he thought Westwood, Bacuna or Richardson could have added anything at all when he created that line up.
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I think he will grow in to a major player if we have right manager and better team and tactics. I wouldn't write him off, but if we get the offer to get money back i would take it.
It's deciding on the type of midfielder he is going to be that is the issue. I think he could be quite similar to Stan Petrov - came as an attacking midfielder but more suited to a deeper role in English football.
Absolutely agree, in fact I think him and gana have shown that they should 'swap' roles. We all thought Gana would be the more defensive one but his pace and drive make him more valuable further up the pitch (in a box-to-box role) and veretout has a little more elegance which is better suited to being a bit deeper where he has more space.
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He reminds me of Tommy Hitz. Good on the ball when he gets it, but struggles to get enough of it to impose himself on the game. Doesn't have the shot though.
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He's got to leave us to develop into anything resembling a complete footballer.
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Clearly a talented footballer but not sure which midfield position he really fits. Another one that threw in the towel some weeks ago but definitely has the ability to play at a decent level. Whether he has the heart or commitment to actually do it remains to be seen.
A bit one paced and needs a serious summer in the gym and working on his stamina to play in the centre of the park. Slower paced league might suit him better tho
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The right manager would get something out of him. He's got some ability. Has he got it in him to scrap in the championship? Probably not. He'll be looking for a move and we'll probably be looking to cash in on him given he's done the square root of shit all. Plus we'll have takers in France. He's one of the only sellable assets we have.
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No Vertout, Traore or Okore. Incredible.
Okore's agent was playing up the other week so can only think the club have decided to sell. Think that would be a big error, Okore would be a good player down there with his pace and power even if he couldn't play every game.
Traore god knows, can only hope the club are keeping him under wraps so he dosen't get others interested and he can be another key player.
On Veretout I agree with Olof's Beard. He had some decent games over xmas in which he started to look a decent player but has done little since. Lightweight, drifts in and out of games. Like Gil I' m not sure how much impact he'd have so would cut my losses.
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It would depend on the fee for me. If we got 6-7m back on him then fair enough, but if it was 3-4m I would keep him and see how he gets on with a different set up. Players take time, and Veretout has created more goals than Gil from his delivery both in open play and dead balls. Gil is too lightweight for the Championship.
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It would depend on the fee for me. If we got 6-7m back on him then fair enough, but if it was 3-4m I would keep him and see how he gets on with a different set up. Players take time, and Veretout has created more goals than Gil from his delivery both in open play and dead balls. Gil is too lightweight for the Championship.
We should not be selling any of the players we bought in from France last summer for less than what we paid for them. As you say, why sell Veretout for £3-4m as it would probably cost us at least this amount to replace him. I have seen enough of him this year to see that he has talent. His confidence needs building up and he needs to play in a team where he feels wanted.
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It would depend on the fee for me. If we got 6-7m back on him then fair enough, but if it was 3-4m I would keep him and see how he gets on ...
Doesn't this all depend on the arrangements we have with him - and the other last-summer arrivals - regarding relegation clauses?
If the club deems the salaries too high, they may want to cut their losses and offlaoad anyway.
In the case of the three French Jordans, I'd hope that the club can hang on to all of them and introduce some better quality around them.
I agree with an earlier poster that Veretout might be better suited to the Petrov role.
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It would depend on the fee for me. If we got 6-7m back on him then fair enough, but if it was 3-4m I would keep him and see how he gets on with a different set up. Players take time, and Veretout has created more goals than Gil from his delivery both in open play and dead balls. Gil is too lightweight for the Championship.
Absolutely agree that Gil is too lightweight: I'd offload him if possible.
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Unless any of these players have release clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave for a reduced price then we don't have to sell. And quite frankly we shouldn't be taking a hit on them either. Newcastle came straight back up because they kept the majority of their squad intact and they walked the Championship. They looked every bit as uselss as us when they went down. Clearly there are some players that need to leave but we cannot strip everything bare and start again because we will back to where we were at the start of this season. We need to get in a manager who can use the resources at hand because while players will come and go, some of this years group will be at the club and we need them to be.
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He could be a decent player but he hasn't really shown it. He picked it up a bit after Sherwood left but then has done little since the New Year. I know Gil is lightweight and not the answer either, but at least he got me out out my seat twice this season - goals at Leicester and Sunderland.
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Unless any of these players have release clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave for a reduced price then we don't have to sell. And quite frankly we shouldn't be taking a hit on them either. Newcastle came straight back up because they kept the majority of their squad intact and they walked the Championship. They looked every bit as uselss as us when they went down. Clearly there are some players that need to leave but we cannot strip everything bare and start again because we will back to where we were at the start of this season. We need to get in a manager who can use the resources at hand because while players will come and go, some of this years group will be at the club and we need them to be.
Newcastle had some players who were genuinely very good though, and who tore up that league, like Nolan and Carroll. It's possible I suppose that Gestede might repeat his one good Blackburn season, but he could just as easily not. We need almost an entire new team, because I just can't see how there's a defence, midfield or forward line in the rabble we have that's capable of promotion.
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Unless any of these players have release clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave for a reduced price then we don't have to sell. And quite frankly we shouldn't be taking a hit on them either. Newcastle came straight back up because they kept the majority of their squad intact and they walked the Championship. They looked every bit as uselss as us when they went down. Clearly there are some players that need to leave but we cannot strip everything bare and start again because we will back to where we were at the start of this season. We need to get in a manager who can use the resources at hand because while players will come and go, some of this years group will be at the club and we need them to be.
Newcastle had some players who were genuinely very good though, and who tore up that league, like Nolan and Carroll. It's possible I suppose that Gestede might repeat his one good Blackburn season, but he could just as easily not. We need almost an entire new team, because I just can't see how there's a defence, midfield or forward line in the rabble we have that's capable of promotion.
I think we discussed this before but the thought that Newcastle had genuinely good players wasn't at all what their fans felt at the time of relegation. In fact they all thought exactly as we did that they had a bunch of wankers on their books and that most if not all needed to be sold. This is just my opinion, but our club has been completely derailed by a few very bad individuals and more than anything at all they need to go. I think that once that is done, a new manager with a strong character can get the best out of the rest of the group. Together along with some new players which every manager needs, we will see markedly improved performances from some players we have all given up on.
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Unless any of these players have release clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave for a reduced price then we don't have to sell. And quite frankly we shouldn't be taking a hit on them either. Newcastle came straight back up because they kept the majority of their squad intact and they walked the Championship. They looked every bit as uselss as us when they went down. Clearly there are some players that need to leave but we cannot strip everything bare and start again because we will back to where we were at the start of this season. We need to get in a manager who can use the resources at hand because while players will come and go, some of this years group will be at the club and we need them to be.
Newcastle had some players who were genuinely very good though, and who tore up that league, like Nolan and Carroll. It's possible I suppose that Gestede might repeat his one good Blackburn season, but he could just as easily not. We need almost an entire new team, because I just can't see how there's a defence, midfield or forward line in the rabble we have that's capable of promotion.
I think we discussed this before but the thought that Newcastle had genuinely good players wasn't at all what their fans felt at the time of relegation. In fact they all thought exactly as we did that they had a bunch of wankers on their books and that most if not all needed to be sold. This is just my opinion, but our club has been completely derailed by a few very bad individuals and more than anything at all they need to go. I think that once that is done, a new manager with a strong character can get the best out of the rest of the group. Together along with some new players which every manager needs, we will see markedly improved performances from some players we have all given up on.
The season Newcastle went down, they were hit really hard with injuries. Carroll started 5 games, Kevin Nolan 10. Their forwards for the season were effectively Obafemi Martins and Michael Owen. Only two players played more than 30 games. When they came back up, they had a settled, strong defence including Danny Simpson and Gutierrez.
The only defender who has any quality about him at all is Amavi, and we don't know how strong he'll be when he gets back. After a season out, it's going to be a while before he's back to match fitness, and he'll have the phyicality of the Championship to deal with. Other than that, they're crap to a man. We need a new keeper, and an entire new back 4. Clark and Okore MIGHT prove to be adequate if we get somebody decent next to them, but they've had long enough to prove their quality and been found wanting.
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The majority of teams in the Championship won't have the all round quality of sides in the PL. All of them have PL quality players in one area or another but not collectively. They can all raise their game on occasion, but generally speaking they cannot sustain it over an entire campaign. I think that's what happened with Newcastle. Their players weren't as bad as everyone thought especially at that level. They had a manager that pulled everyone together. That once certain players got healthy and played a series of games they developed chemistry. And that even a bad PL side is better than most Championship sides. The fact that since coming up Newcastle have pretty much gone back to what they were just before they went down suggests that an excellent Championship side isn't a good PL side because of all of the other significant issues plaguing the club.
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Newcastle were shite when they went down, but they had twice has many points as we've got this season.
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Unless any of these players have release clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave for a reduced price then we don't have to sell. And quite frankly we shouldn't be taking a hit on them either. Newcastle came straight back up because they kept the majority of their squad intact and they walked the Championship. They looked every bit as uselss as us when they went down. Clearly there are some players that need to leave but we cannot strip everything bare and start again because we will back to where we were at the start of this season. We need to get in a manager who can use the resources at hand because while players will come and go, some of this years group will be at the club and we need them to be.
Newcastle had some players who were genuinely very good though, and who tore up that league, like Nolan and Carroll. It's possible I suppose that Gestede might repeat his one good Blackburn season, but he could just as easily not. We need almost an entire new team, because I just can't see how there's a defence, midfield or forward line in the rabble we have that's capable of promotion.
I think we discussed this before but the thought that Newcastle had genuinely good players wasn't at all what their fans felt at the time of relegation. In fact they all thought exactly as we did that they had a bunch of wankers on their books and that most if not all needed to be sold. This is just my opinion, but our club has been completely derailed by a few very bad individuals and more than anything at all they need to go. I think that once that is done, a new manager with a strong character can get the best out of the rest of the group. Together along with some new players which every manager needs, we will see markedly improved performances from some players we have all given up on.
The season Newcastle went down, they were hit really hard with injuries. Carroll started 5 games, Kevin Nolan 10. Their forwards for the season were effectively Obafemi Martins and Michael Owen. Only two players played more than 30 games. When they came back up, they had a settled, strong defence including Danny Simpson and Gutierrez
It wasn't really injuries that restricted Carroll the year that Newcastle went down - he didn't really play much because he was 19 and their various managers that season thought that Owen and Martins were better options.
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Not sure if this is covered elsewhere; but he apparently doesn't fancy staying, although there's no direct comment from him.
The reaction from some French fans is varied, but there's certainly no overwhelming support. I don't think he'd be missed, but that's just my opinion.
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Jordan-veretout-aston-villa-sur-le-depart/693726 (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Jordan-veretout-aston-villa-sur-le-depart/693726)
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Not sure if this is covered elsewhere; but he apparently doesn't fancy staying, although there's no direct comment from him.
The reaction from some French fans is varied, but there's certainly no overwhelming support. I don't think he'd be missed, but that's just my opinion.
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Jordan-veretout-aston-villa-sur-le-depart/693726 (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Jordan-veretout-aston-villa-sur-le-depart/693726)
Another one who won't be missed. Good riddance.
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I'm not sure really, he was surrounded by shit and he looked a bit lightweight, Also he was out the team for long periods, he did show a bit of class when he set up gabby last year against Norwich
I'd say give it till Jan that is if he's in RDM plans
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He looks like one of these players who needs a season to settle into a new league. Can't blame him too much if he wants to leave though, he came over here to play in the top flight after all.
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maybe he fancies a shot to join Leicester a season too late.
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He will be one we will talk about in a few years time, and why we let him go.
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He will be one we will talk about in a few years time, and why we let him go.
As we do about Cahill, although I thought he went because he wanted more first team football guaranteed and MON couldn't/wouldn't give it, so we let him go.
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He will be one we will talk about in a few years time, and why we let him go.
I really don't agree, can't see that he has anything special about him at all.
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He will be one we will talk about in a few years time, and why we let him go.
As we do about Cahill, although I thought he went because he wanted more first team football guaranteed and MON couldn't/wouldn't give it, so we let him go.
A blind man could have seen that Cahill was going to be top class so god knows what O'Neill was playing at by letting him go. Veretout on the other hand has produced precious little in a Villa shirt and I've never understood the praise from some of the Villa support. He just seems massively overrated to me.
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He led the team in both chances created and assists - not much of an achievement obviously, but decent enough when you consider that it took ages for him to break into the team, was moved around the place and didn't exactly have anyone who he could play incisivie passes to.
Fine if we get our money back on him from a buyer, but selling him on the cheap because he had the growing pains we suspected he might have when buying him is stupidly short-sighted.
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He led the team in both chances created and assists - not much of an achievement obviously, but decent enough when you consider that it took ages for him to break into the team, was moved around the place and didn't exactly have anyone who he could play incisivie passes to.
Fine if we get our money back on him from a buyer, but selling him on the cheap because he had the growing pains we suspected he might have when buying him is stupidly short-sighted.
Exactly, pretty much every report from anyone who'd seen him said it might take him a while to a settle and then he's in a club with a toxic anti-french core, had 4 managers and never got a run in a position and people want to write him off despite him, as you say, creating more chances than anyone else in the squad, many of whom played a lot more than he did.
I think there's a very good player in there and we'd be stupid to let him leave unless he's dead set on going.
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He led the team in both chances created and assists - not much of an achievement obviously, but decent enough when you consider that it took ages for him to break into the team, was moved around the place and didn't exactly have anyone who he could play incisivie passes to.
Fine if we get our money back on him from a buyer, but selling him on the cheap because he had the growing pains we suspected he might have when buying him is stupidly short-sighted.
Exactly, pretty much every report from anyone who'd seen him said it might take him a while to a settle and then he's in a club with a toxic anti-french core, had 4 managers and never got a run in a position and people want to write him off despite him, as you say, creating more chances than anyone else in the squad, many of whom played a lot more than he did.
I think there's a very good player in there and we'd be stupid to let him leave unless he's dead set on going.
Yep. according to reports RDM is going to assess them all anyway, and you'd hope he could spot a decent midfielder!!
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I know as much about Vertout's ability and playing style as the day we signed him.
Good luck to him, whatever he decides.
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He will be one we will talk about in a few years time, and why we let him go.
As we do about Cahill, although I thought he went because he wanted more first team football guaranteed and MON couldn't/wouldn't give it, so we let him go.
A blind man could have seen that Cahill was going to be top class so god knows what O'Neill was playing at by letting him go. Veretout on the other hand has produced precious little in a Villa shirt and I've never understood the praise from some of the Villa support. He just seems massively overrated to me.
100% this.
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I know as much about Vertout's ability and playing style as the day we signed him.
Good luck to him, whatever he decides.
Mathieu Berson but with slightly more game time
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He is one of those players that seemed to get better the less he played
I would however like to see him under a decent coaching set up and with a Manager who had a clue before we off load him or anyone else to be honest (Not you though Gabby - feck off)
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He is one of the few who gave 100% when he played last season, I don't blame him not wanting to play lower down so good luck to him.
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He is one of the few who gave 100% when he played last season, I don't blame him not wanting to play lower down so good luck to him.
He couldn't displace Westwood or Bacuna in midfield so good luck to him getting a bigger team.
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He is one of the few who gave 100% when he played last season, I don't blame him not wanting to play lower down so good luck to him.
To be honest, I watched a lot of the goals conceded played back and let's just put it this way, he didn't bust a gut to get back in position.
Not saying he's a bad player or a piss taker but I'd certainly expect a midfielder of his value to be able to do more than jog back.
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He is one of the few who gave 100% when he played last season, I don't blame him not wanting to play lower down so good luck to him.
He couldn't displace Westwood or Bacuna in midfield so good luck to him getting a bigger team.
Look at who was making the decisions though. I think he's got potential but who can be sure of anything after that shambles of a season?
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He is one of the few who gave 100% when he played last season, I don't blame him not wanting to play lower down so good luck to him.
He couldn't displace Westwood or Bacuna in midfield so good luck to him getting a bigger team.
Gary Cahill couldn't displace Zat Knight or Curtis Davies. Sometimes managers just make stupid decisions.
As Chris says, I'd be pretty reluctant to base my opinion of a lot of our players based on what our four managers this season did with them.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Well, one of the four played him a lot. So I would say that on that one issue three of the four were wrong.
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Given that were were a shambles front to back last season, with (yet again) no established pattern, I'd like to see the likes of Veretout and Gueye in a team that was well organised at the back and with movement up front. Being a midfielder for us last year, with a hapless defence and no attack, can't have been easy.
Not excusing them, but we can't realistically replace everyone this summer.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
All four picked Bacuna.
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true enough, one of the all time managerial mysteries
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
All four picked Bacuna.
Eric Black was the shittiest!
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I think Veretout is potentially a very good player. It was impossible to thrive in that environment. If we can keep him we should.
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He's got some ability but he makes Westwood look like a double hard bastard. I don't think he's got it in him to scrap in the championship. He'll be desperate for a move. I could see him doing okay at a club like Swansea, but he'll probably end up back in France or in Italy.
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I'd cash in, he does show signs of promise and suffered from a lack of leadership in the team, but if he wants out i'd get someone in who can handle life in the Championship.
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I think he'd have no problem handling life in the Championship, it depends on whether he wants to.
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I wouldn't. From what I have seen of his time in France, a fit and firing Veretout would be a huge asset in Division 2.
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I wouldn't. From what I have seen of his time in France, a fit and firing Veretout would be a huge asset in Division 2.
Great, division in 2 in France looks about his level.
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He's got some ability but he makes Westwood look like a double hard bastard. I don't think he's got it in him to scrap in the championship.
Odd how the "lose a fight to a piece of wet tissue paper" likes of Bannan and Whittingham have thrived in the Championship.
It's almost as if it's not a MMA brawl, and just another set of football matches.
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Are we back to the myth that the championship is full of cloggers looking to kick everyone and the only chance to escape is to buy a couple of your own, has this not been done to death in the last month or so?
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I think he'd have no problem handling life in the Championship, it depends on whether he wants to.
I agree. I think there is huge potential in there and hopefully it will surface next season.
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If he's willing to stay then I would like to see him fulfil his potential here than elsewhere, if he's made his mind he can play at a higher standard we need to cash in and replace.
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He'd get a 'yes' from me, in terms of staying. I'd like to see him in a decent Villa team.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
Well all four got one thing right. How to be rather crap.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
Sherwood, MacDonald, Garde and Black are the four horsemen in question.
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Are we back to the myth that the championship is full of cloggers looking to kick everyone and the only chance to escape is to buy a couple of your own, has this not been done to death in the last month or so?
Maybe but it's still a tough physical league.
Veretout to me was certainly very lightweight at prem level where you get a bit more time on the ball and more protection from refs. Same as Gil.
I wouldn't hang my hat on those two inspiring us to promotion next season.
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Are we back to the myth that the championship is full of cloggers looking to kick everyone and the only chance to escape is to buy a couple of your own, has this not been done to death in the last month or so?
Maybe but it's still a tough physical league.
Veretout to me was certainly very lightweight at prem level where you get a bit more time on the ball and more protection from refs. Same as Gil.
I wouldn't hang my hat on those two inspiring us to promotion next season.
The premier league is far far tougher than the championship and is comfortably the most physical league in world football.
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I have no proof, other than that I could see a footballer being in him at times. In a good team, he would thrive in my opinion.
Let this come back to haunt me, or let me gloat about knowing better ;)
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
Sherwood, MacDonald, Garde and Black are the four horsemen in question.
Even if you take Garde out there is still a hell of a lot of experience there.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
Sherwood, MacDonald, Garde and Black are the four horsemen in question.
Even if you take Garde out there is still a hell of a lot of experience there.
Black on his own has over 35 years in the game I believe.
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I am not really concerned whether he has potential or not. If anyone doesn't want to play for us, especially after being a part of the shambolic last season, then they should be shown the door.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
Sherwood, MacDonald, Garde and Black are the four horsemen in question.
Even if you take Garde out there is still a hell of a lot of experience there.
Black on his own has over 35 years in the game I believe.
K Mac must have 40 odd and Sherwood 20 odd. You'd think between all of them they might know their arse from their elbow.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
However, I have to say that apart from the odd game, Veretout was awful whenever I saw him play, and did nothing to suggest that he was a star in the making.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
However, I have to say that apart from the odd game, Veretout was awful whenever I saw him play, and did nothing to suggest that he was a star in the making.
Same here. Every time I've seen him play he's never impressed and I just don't see what all the fuss is about him.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
However, I have to say that apart from the odd game, Veretout was awful whenever I saw him play, and did nothing to suggest that he was a star in the making.
I'd say that along with Gana he was probably the best of a very bad bunch.
If we accept that we're not going to buy an entire new first team squad (and we're not), surely the ones that were better than the others last year are the ones we want to keep? Even if they themselves weren't complete successes.
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conversely, can all four be wrong?
Could Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Black all be wrong?
After careful consideration I'd say that there's a good chance the answer is yes judging on how fucking awful we have been under their combined management.
However, I have to say that apart from the odd game, Veretout was awful whenever I saw him play, and did nothing to suggest that he was a star in the making.
I'd say that along with Gana he was probably the best of a very bad bunch.
If we accept that we're not going to buy an entire new first team squad (and we're not), surely the ones that were better than the others last year are the ones we want to keep? Even if they themselves weren't complete successes.
That makes perfect sense, although in Veretout's case I don't really think it applies. I also don't think he wants to be here, so we're probably best taking the hit and getting back what we can for him.
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I will leave it to Di Matteo and Clarke to decide if we should keep or sell.
Just get rid of Guzan, Lescott, Richards, Branca and Agbonlahor.
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I will leave it to Di Matteo and Clark to decide.
And so it begins...
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I will leave it to Di Matteo and Clark to decide.
And so it begins...
And this time we will know soon enough.
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Ciaran been promoted?
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He has got decent delivery into the box and took some decent set pieces, and in the game against West Ham and Palace at home worked his nads off and looked like there is a decent player in there. I think the trouble with him is that the first 6 months the pace was a shock to the system, and then once he was finding his feet and we started to get 3-4 results, Ayew got suspended and we hit a tough fixture list, followed by Black going. He needs movement in front of him and to be on the ball a lot more than he was last season to be effective. I actually reckon he would be a success long term, but if he goes this summer for what we paid fair enough and I wish him well. Hopefully though, some of the players will be feeling a bit like Okore clearly is from the comments by his agent, that the new management team is exciting and it might be worth sticking around next season.
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He has got decent delivery into the box and took some decent set pieces, and in the game against West Ham and Palace at home worked his nads off and looked like there is a decent player in there. I think the trouble with him is that the first 6 months the pace was a shock to the system, and then once he was finding his feet and we started to get 3-4 results, Ayew got suspended and we hit a tough fixture list, followed by Black going. He needs movement in front of him and to be on the ball a lot more than he was last season to be effective. I actually reckon he would be a success long term, but if he goes this summer for what we paid fair enough and I wish him well. Hopefully though, some of the players will be feeling a bit like Okore clearly is from the comments by his agent, that the new management team is exciting and it might be worth sticking around next season.
I broadly agree with this analysis, and I would add the home game against Arsenal to his credit column.
It will be interesting to see how RDM rates the player.
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He was superb in the away game at Newcastle as well.
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A while ago someone likened him to Petrov when he first came over. I would agree with that. Hopefully he's adjusted to the pace of the game now and get some good quality around him and he can be a really good player for us and can probably control games.
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what i saw of him at vp he didnt look fit enough and i thought he should be playing further forward
i would give him the benefit of the doubt, work with the new fitness coach and see how he goes
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His best form came over xmas. West Ham at home he was MOTM and had some good games in weeks after that.
I just view him as one of those luxury midfield players tbh. He'll have some good games in the championship I'm sure as he does have ability but other games we just won't see him on the pitch (probably away from home).
Just like we saw from him in the prem.
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Wasn't it his through ball to Flabby against Norwich that was really excellent
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His best form came over xmas. West Ham at home he was MOTM and had some good games in weeks after that.
I just view him as one of those luxury midfield players tbh. He'll have some good games in the championship I'm sure as he does have ability but other games we just won't see him on the pitch (probably away from home).
Just like we saw from him in the prem.
It's fine, and the same I'd say applies to the likes of Gil and Gestede - that's why you have a squad, and not just a XI who you run into the ground week after week MON-style. Just need to make sure we do our homework and do buy at least one commanding midfielder capable of being infuential in every game, and then rotate our midfielders around him.
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His best form came over xmas. West Ham at home he was MOTM and had some good games in weeks after that.
I just view him as one of those luxury midfield players tbh. He'll have some good games in the championship I'm sure as he does have ability but other games we just won't see him on the pitch (probably away from home).
Just like we saw from him in the prem.
It's fine, and the same I'd say applies to the likes of Gil and Gestede - that's why you have a squad, and not just a XI who you run into the ground week after week MON-style. Just need to make sure we do our homework and do buy at least one commanding midfielder capable of being infuential in every game, and then rotate our midfielders around him.
We can and will use the loan market down there I'm sure. Even the promotion teams use that to plug gaps throughout the season although I hear they're changing that?
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FIFA have scrapped the emergency loan system so I assume you can only get players in on loan up to the end of August and then again in the January window.
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Marseille have resigned Thauvin on loan from Newcastle.
Wonder if that has any impact on whether Veretout goes there or not.
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its gone quiet on Veretout . Still think he is worth a go at championship level , Id prefer him then Ronaldo Bacuna
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RDM doesn't seem to rate him, he has not been playing and has been regularly linked with loan moves abroad. I am guessing he is one that RDM wants off the wage bill.
A shame, as he looked ok at times. The new Berson, turned up, looked OK, left without much fanfare.
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its gone quiet on Veretout . Still think he is worth a go at championship level , Id prefer him then Ronaldo Bacuna
RDM spoke of his confidence being shattered and needing to re-build it. I wonder whether a season back in France might be beneficial then coming back next summer. I like him though, think he had potential if played a bit deeper too.
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I think he found out he's not good enough for the Premier League & I don't think the Championship will be any more forgiving. Would be best all round if he was able to more on & free up some wages towards someone who will contribute. We can't carry any passengers this season.
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RDM doesn't seem to rate him, he has not been playing and has been regularly linked with loan moves abroad. I am guessing he is one that RDM wants off the wage bill.
A shame, as he looked ok at times. The new Berson, turned up, looked OK, left without much fanfare.
I was more impressed by Berson than Veretout.
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I think the problem with Vertout and Gana is that they are decent but neither good enough to be "the man" in midfield.
If they were lining up along side A fit Petrov say.
They would have had pretty decent impact on the team.
But instead they had Westwood and Bacuna.
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I think he found out he's not good enough for the Premier League & I don't think the Championship will be any more forgiving. Would be best all round if he was able to more on & free up some wages towards someone who will contribute. We can't carry any passengers this season.
How can we spend £8milllion on somebody who is not good enough for top 2 divisions !? really dont want to write him off yet
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I remember hearing a french expert on radio who said Veretout was never played in his proper position for villa , whatever that was .
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I remember hearing a french expert on radio who said Veretout was never played in his proper position for villa , whatever that was .
My French mates last year thought that Gana was best suited of our French league acquisitions to adapt to the Premier league. None of them really ahd a strong opinion on Veretout, in a couple of cases it was "who is he / oh, right him"
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I remember hearing a french expert on radio who said Veretout was never played in his proper position for villa , whatever that was .
Reserve team bench.
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I think he found out he's not good enough for the Premier League & I don't think the Championship will be any more forgiving. Would be best all round if he was able to more on & free up some wages towards someone who will contribute. We can't carry any passengers this season.
Harsh. In that squad and with the management we had it is hardly surprising that a young guy from a different league might have struggled.
He showed glimpses of real talent and the rush to judgement by some is breathtaking. I hope that we have the chance to see whether he can cut it - at least within a more promising regime.
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Veretout seems the be one who has been dismissed very quickly, I wonder if that is to do with ability or attitude?
We knew when he arrived that it would take a while to settle as he had no English but perhaps with everything going on at the club last year he never did settle?
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RDM doesn't seem to rate him, he has not been playing and has been regularly linked with loan moves abroad. I am guessing he is one that RDM wants off the wage bill.
A shame, as he looked ok at times. The new Berson, turned up, looked OK, left without much fanfare.
I was more impressed by Berson than Veretout.
I was more impressed by Fabio Ferrarasi
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RDM doesn't seem to rate him, he has not been playing and has been regularly linked with loan moves abroad. I am guessing he is one that RDM wants off the wage bill.
A shame, as he looked ok at times. The new Berson, turned up, looked OK, left without much fanfare.
I was more impressed by Berson than Veretout.
I was more impressed by Fabio Ferrarasi
Gustavo Bartelt got my vote.
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I preferred Michael Boulding
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I preferred Michael Boulding
i think i saw his debut and final game
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He's no Vaclav Drobny.
Edit: I have just read that he died skiing into a tree 😞
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Veretout seems the be one who has been dismissed very quickly, I wonder if that is to do with ability or attitude?
We knew when he arrived that it would take a while to settle as he had no English but perhaps with everything going on at the club last year he never did settle?
He seemed absolutely thrilled to be here in an interview he did the day (or day after) he signed for us. Reminded me of the massive beaming smile NZogbia gave in his shirt stretching photos.
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I like Veretout. He showed flashes of real class. Badly treated by Sherwood and never settled. I wish him well and will always remember his pass for Sinclair's second against Forest.
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I like Veretout. He showed flashes of real class. Badly treated by Sherwood and never settled. I wish him well and will always remember his pass for Sinclair's second against Forest.
I think there's a good player in there too. He still might have an impact for us in the future.
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He really does remind me of Berson in that he's a neat and tidy footballer without the real drive, ability and enthusiasm to make it in the Premier League. Even if you put it down to the fact that Sherwood, Garde and Black all mostly avoided picking him because they're terrible managers, then surely RDM working under a new owner will have been free to make his own mind up?
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I think he has Riss. In the Pending tray.
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The length of a loan might be important. a 3 month/half season loan means he's firmly in their minds but needs to get some confidence in another environment. A year loan is probably more about getting his value up for a sale.
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After the West Ham game I posted he could be the French Dennis Mortimer
Think he was the right player but just came to the club at the wrong time
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He really does remind me of Berson in that he's a neat and tidy footballer without the real drive, ability and enthusiasm to make it in the Premier League. Even if you put it down to the fact that Sherwood, Garde and Black all mostly avoided picking him because they're terrible managers, then surely RDM working under a new owner will have been free to make his own mind up?
Who's Berson?
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Paul with a bad cold.
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The length of a loan might be important. a 3 month/half season loan means he's firmly in their minds but needs to get some confidence in another environment. A year loan is probably more about getting his value up for a sale.
Agreed. Add to that him getting some regular football. If he does go out on loan, I'd prefer it was only until December.
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Paul with a bad cold.
You're no help Brian. I did a little digging and found a picture of Berson at his unveiling after a long chase by the club to secure his signature
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/images/film/memoirs-of-an-invisible-man/w856/memoirs-of-an-invisible-man.jpg)
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Paul with a bad cold.
You're no help Brian. I did a little digging and found a picture of Berson at his unveiling after a long chase by the club to secure his signature
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/images/film/memoirs-of-an-invisible-man/w856/memoirs-of-an-invisible-man.jpg)
Didn't he play in goal for us last season?
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/24/veretout-joins-saint-etienne
He's gone out on loan... hopefully he'll come back a better chap...
Good scarf stretching... well done Jordan
https://twitter.com/ASSEofficiel/status/768404907162558464/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
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blimey, me thinks you protest too much.
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Monsieur Veretout scored today for St Etienne.
Good for him. I think his confidence was destroyed by our troubles.
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he really couldnt wait to fuck off could he
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he really couldnt wait to fuck off could he
Do you blame him? Shit managers, shit owner, shit coaches.... I could go on.
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he really couldnt wait to fuck off could he
Do you blame him? Shit managers, shit owner, shit coaches.... I could go on.
Doesn't excuse his application in a lot of games. Whatever excuses can be used for him to hide behind and their are legitimate reasons why he never found good form here but watch back a lot of goals we conceded and you will see Veretout jogging back, out of position and making little effort to follow runners. I don't think mentally he is right for us, ever.
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he really couldnt wait to fuck off could he
Do you blame him? Shit managers, shit owner, shit coaches.... I could go on.
like ayew did?
fuck me the bloke was hardly stand out was he, he was breathing out his arse most games
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Annoyingly I think he'd complement our squad well at the moment playing in a continuity role in a midfield 2/3. But yeah based on his attitude last season he can go spin, the one paced bottler.
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o.f. we don't know what was going on inside the club. For example what sort of conversation were going on. Ayew may well have had number of assurances from club officials whereas Veretout probably heard nothing. With no warm words or any other direction I am not sure what else he should have done when an offer came along?
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he really couldnt wait to fuck off could he
Do you blame him? Shit managers, shit owner, shit coaches.... I could go on.
like ayew did?
fuck me the bloke was hardly stand out was he, he was breathing out his arse most games
Probably all the Krispy Kreme doughnuts he eats.
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he really couldnt wait to fuck off could he
Do you blame him? Shit managers, shit owner, shit coaches.... I could go on.
Doesn't excuse his application in a lot of games. Whatever excuses can be used for him to hide behind and their are legitimate reasons why he never found good form here but watch back a lot of goals we conceded and you will see Veretout jogging back, out of position and making little effort to follow runners. I don't think mentally he is right for us, ever.
You could turn it around the other way and look at the few bright moments last season usually had Veretout involved.
No doubt he struggled last season and completely lost confidence. Moving away on loan was a good way for him to rebuild his confidence.
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he really couldnt wait to fuck off could he
Do you blame him? Shit managers, shit owner, shit coaches.... I could go on.
Doesn't excuse his application in a lot of games. Whatever excuses can be used for him to hide behind and their are legitimate reasons why he never found good form here but watch back a lot of goals we conceded and you will see Veretout jogging back, out of position and making little effort to follow runners. I don't think mentally he is right for us, ever.
That was Gana wasn't it?
I actually thought Veretout's industry was fine in games...he covered plenty of ground but as soon as the tackles from the opposition started flying in he disappeared.
Like Gil decent technical player but far too lightweight.
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I think the biggest problem for Veretout is that he needed to be surrounded by people who wanted the ball. Last year too many of our players were happy to hide.
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Anybody think this was true? Would explain his disappearance at the end of the season and Eric Blacks bizarre team choices
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/11/01/jordan-veretout-claims-aston-villa-stopped-playing-him-to-avoid/
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Well nothing will surprise me about last season.
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He probably wasn't picked because he was just as bad as the other players who we wouldn't have had to pay more money for.
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That money would've probably gone to Adama as a loyalty payment.....
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That money would've probably gone to Adama as a loyalty payment.....
Before we know it there'll be a story about all 7 of our subs not being able to start or come on due to some bonus or other. May explain why Kieran Richardson kept getting picked towards the end.
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What is this "last season" that he talks about?
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I think the biggest problem for Veretout is that he needed to be surrounded by people who wanted the ball. Last year too many of our players were happy to hide.
I think his biggest problem is lack of pace, which goes for Gil as well. It's why you could tell the Gueye was suited to the Premier League, but those two weren't.
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I think the biggest problem for Veretout is that he needed to be surrounded by people who wanted the ball. Last year too many of our players were happy to hide.
I think his biggest problem is lack of pace, which goes for Gil as well. It's why you could tell the Gueye was suited to the Premier League, but those two weren't.
Speed of thought can more than compensate for that. Barry wouldn't have won any 100 meter sprints, but had enough upstairs to be our best player since McGrath.
Frustrating thing with Veretout is that you could see what he was trying to do, he had a good eye for a pass. But he lacked the fitness or sharpness to pull it off more often than not.
Coming into a better side or a more settled club might have helped him. Gueye even with his superior fitness still looked dismal for us.
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Why do we keep going on about Gill, Veretout et al?
They were absolute garbage at Premier League standard and they're no better than we've currently got.
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Why do we keep going on about Gill, Veretout et al?
They were absolute garbage at Premier League standard and they're no better than we've currently got.
We keep going on about them (i.e. talking about them every now and then on threads with their name in the title) because they still belong to the club.
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Why do we keep going on about Gill, Veretout et al?
They were absolute garbage at Premier League standard and they're no better than we've currently got.
We keep going on about them (i.e. talking about them every now and then on threads with their name in the title) because they still belong to the club.
Veretout is a bit more relevant then the others though, as he plays in a position in which we are currently lacking options.
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Why do we keep going on about Gill, Veretout et al?
They were absolute garbage at Premier League standard and they're no better than we've currently got.
We keep going on about them (i.e. talking about them every now and then on threads with their name in the title) because they still belong to the club.
Veretout is a bit more relevant then the others though, as he plays in a position in which we are currently lacking options.
Indeed, I thought in flashes he looked a real player but he got lost in the maelstrom of last season. I think its very difficult to write any player off given its unlikely we've had a worst season in our entire history.
Gana took a huge amount of stick for a lack of fight and commitment but he has been Everton's best player this season, so Koeman certainly saw enough in him.
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I think the biggest problem for Veretout is that he needed to be surrounded by people who wanted the ball. Last year too many of our players were happy to hide.
I think his biggest problem is lack of pace, which goes for Gil as well. It's why you could tell the Gueye was suited to the Premier League, but those two weren't.
Speed of thought can more than compensate for that. Barry wouldn't have won any 100 meter sprints, but had enough upstairs to be our best player since McGrath.
He had enough upstairs to be Dwight Yorke?
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I'm not a fan of paying players Bonuses anyway, they get paid well enough, get a bonus at the end of the season IF you deserve it. Last year i'd have taken money off most
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How's he doing at St. Etienne? I know he scored a goal recently, but can any Ligue Uuuun watchers elaborate?
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Don't know how he got on loan, but I think Steve should consider bringing back to improve midfield as long he get his fitness up to standards and we got rid of our poisonous astrosphere in changing room
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He is still the closest thing we have on the books to a continuity type midfielder, which is exactly what we lack, and for that reason I'd be loath to discard him with the rest of the cast offs.
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Yes Gardner / Westwood or Vertoute / Sanchez...I know who I would persevere with...
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Yes Gardner / Westwood or Vertoute / Sanchez...I know who I would persevere with...
Truth be told there's not much between all 4 and we need additions in January, but Veretout, when playing to his ability, is easily the most comfortable in possession with the best range of passing.
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I'm not a fan of paying players Bonuses anyway, they get paid well enough, get a bonus at the end of the season IF you deserve it. Last year i'd have taken money off most
I'm guessing the bonus would have been due to the club we bought him off, not the player.
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There is a good player in there with Veretout, certainly be interesting to see what he could do with the club being a lot different now. I'd certainly prefer him over Westwood.
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Apparently.. might be off to Juventus?!
The kid can't cut it in the English second division but is worthy of the Italian champions?
WTF
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media bollocks initiated by agents high on Christmas cheer I would imagine. For what it's worth I would keep him unless a ridiculous offer came in ; he's better than GG or AW
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I don't think anyone can really tell how good Veretout could be going from last seasons showings. He was poor, but they all was really.
Loaning him out was the best option. If we get a decent bid in for him we should sell and forget we ever saw the bloke.
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The French lads at Majestic Wine at Cocquelles in Calais are keen football fans. We talk football with them on booze cruises. They say Veretout is playing well.
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I always thought it looked like there is a decent player in him, I don't think last season did anyone any favours when it come to new players settling in, and as I think with Westwood at times, the other players don't make the best of runs to gives options for good passes
If possible I would fetch back to give a chance in the better atmosphere at the club now, you never know it could save a few quid to spend in other places
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I dont believe the juve link
he could definitely do a job in our midfield as things stand at the moment as would sanchez but i doubt we have a recall on them
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I bet we have if they start playing crap or do their cruciate ligaments.
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As much chance of me playing for Juve as Veretout, he'll be off back to France in the summer.
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Myself and kids met him not long before he left while we were all getting our haircut in a barbers that lots of the players use ... no wonder he found it difficult over here. He spoke not one word of english, had to keep pointing to his head with cutting motions.... he also kept disappearing outside and coming back in stinking of smoke. He was that scruffy it took a few minutes to actually believe it was him.
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Niclas Bendtner played for Juventus, so I wouldn't rule it out.
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These Juve scouts that have watched him....I'm assuming their seats were actually facing the pitch?
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Of all the hype surrounding the signings in "the summer of Sherwood", he's been far the most disappointing. And that's going some.
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I think if he had stayed and played, he would have been another that the PL clubs would have been watching and offering a decent mark up on what he cost. There is a very good player in there somewhere.
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Myself and kids met him not long before he left while we were all getting our haircut in a barbers that lots of the players use ... no wonder he found it difficult over here. He spoke not one word of english, had to keep pointing to his head with cutting motions.... he also kept disappearing outside and coming back in stinking of smoke. He was that scruffy it took a few minutes to actually believe it was him.
Sounds like a Bloser.
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Apparently SB is off to ManUre tonight to have a butcher's at Veretout.
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Apparently SB is off to ManUre tonight to have a butcher's at Veretout.
Can't he just watch BT Sport?
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Maybe he wants to watch the player not just where the camera roams?
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Or maybe he wants to schmooze with his old buddies
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I think SB is just doing his job - a player on our books is playing at a level of football we can only dream of at the moment - got to be worth looking at.
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And one that has made it unequivocally clear he's never playing for us again
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Or maybe he wants to schooze with his old buddies
I take it you don't like him? If so I can think of better things to have a pop at him about rather than a trip up the road to see a live game of football.
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Or maybe he wants to schooze with his old buddies
I take it you don't like him? If so I can think of better things to have a pop at him about rather than a trip up the road to see a live game of football.
Jeez
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And one that has made it unequivocally clear he's never playing for us again
He has gone blonde though, a la Draper.......but he doesn't seem to be interested in convincing SB he's worth trying to keep. And he isn't IMO
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Looks a decent player, could be our player of the season.
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Looks a decent player, could be our player of the season.
gets my vote
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And one that has made it unequivocally clear he's never playing for us again
I would be interested to know why. There seem to be a few players that see it as a relief to get away from the Club.
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And one that has made it unequivocally clear he's never playing for us again
I would be interested to know why. There seem to be a few players that see it as a relief to get away from the Club.
Maybe it's that tea lady. She might have an acid tongue, and we're too scared to get rid of her. Yeah that's it...lets blame the tea lady. She might have been a gypsy before and placed a curse on the whole club.
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It was not the tea lady who pissed off Jordan Veretout, it was the bus chucker from Borehamwood.
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And one that has made it unequivocally clear he's never playing for us again
I would be interested to know why. There seem to be a few players that see it as a relief to get away from the Club.
A club that sacked two managers during the season, were relegated with barely a whimper yet he still couldn't hold down a regular starting place. I would be equally keen to get away in his position.
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Didn't watch the match last night. Out of curiosity, how did Veretout play. Always thought there was a decent player there but maybe one that never managed to get up to speed with English football; down to dreadful management and poor integration or just one of those who would never get up to speed?
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nothing has changed except for going blonde on blonde
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I liked Veretout as a player. Not a world beater by any means but massively better than Gardner and Westwood and easily as good as Jedinak. He's another one who never got a fair chance at VillaAlways other serial underperformers got more than they merited. It's what I call team sheet discipline. I like you, you are on it, I don't like you, you are not.
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there were certainly glimpses of talent Brian - do you ever see him coming back to VP?
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Played well last night according to my colleague, nearly scored? He'll likely stay in France but I can't see many teams there having the money to recoup what we paid for him so it'll probably be another haircut.
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I thought he was 'alright' when he played last season, no more than that.
But when he made it clear that the Championship was below him, after laughing i realised that was the last I ever wanted to see of him in a Villa shirt ever again (whatever league we're in)
The same goes for Gil and Sanchez
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I thought he was 'alright' when he played last season, no more than that.
But when he made it clear that the Championship was below him, after laughing i realised that was the last I ever wanted to see of him in a Villa shirt ever again (whatever league we're in)
The same goes for Gil and Sanchez
He was alright! Alright! What are we waiting for? Get him here quick, whatever it takes.
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And one that has made it unequivocally clear he's never playing for us again
What a blow.
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It was not the tea lady who pissed off Jordan Veretout, it was the bus chucker from Borehamwood.
I heard it was Polish taxi driver. Jordan hailed the cab & the cabbie said "Ver to"?
*sorry*
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It was not the tea lady who pissed off Jordan Veretout, it was the bus chucker from Borehamwood.
I heard it was Polish taxi driver. Jordan hailed the cab & the cabbie said "Ver to"?
*sorry*
👏👏👏👏👏
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He just never settled really.
I don't think he learnt a reasonable command of English...at least the likes of Gana, Sanchez and Gil could get by in interviews after 6 months-1 year.
That and Garde going and him getting the Eric Black "imprison any creative player" treatment.
I personally thought he was too lightweight and slow for English football (similar to Gil) but he did have some nice touches and passes at times.
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Seemed happy enough to play for us when signing the contract ... then couldn't hack and now doesn't fancy it any more. Sounds like breach of contract to me as well as a general lack of mental strength and backbone.
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Bet he's glad he chose Villa over Leicester, otherwise he'd get to spend two seasons playing in the Premier League and win a medal.
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I will go so far as to say in the 3 - 3 pre season with Forest (centre backs Richards and Sanchez, centre forward Libor Kozak) the pass from Veretout to Sinclair for his second goal was one of the best things from any Villa player not called Christian Benteke I have seen in the last six years.
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But when he made it clear that the Championship was below him
Did he actually say that?
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Always rated him but he did appear to struggle in the english game
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His performance at home to Sunderland last season really made me think he could be the driving force we needed in mdfield
Ah well
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Bet he's glad he chose Villa over Leicester, otherwise he'd get to spend two seasons playing in the Premier League and win a medal.
ah he'd have been relegated this season anyway Chris. That whole winning the title and playing in the CL is so overrated...
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Never playing here again. Not a chance. He couldn't wait to get out. We're probably subsidising his wages too. Can't see St Etienne being able to afford what we're probably paying him. We're paying him to play 'okay' elsewhere. But that's not out of the ordinary for us.
I literally cannot remember him doing a single good thing in a Villa shirt. Even Westwood had a tasty goal against West Brom and a handful of assists in his first season (nice through ball to Gabby against Norwich I can recollect). In fact I can't even remember what Veretout looks like. I can even picture Berson's face FFS.
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I literally cannot remember him doing a single good thing in a Villa shirt....................................(nice through ball to Gabby against Norwich I can recollect).
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Yes, the through ball to Gabby stands out in the memory. How can we forget that. Wasn't it Gabby's last goal.
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Never playing here again. Not a chance. He couldn't wait to get out. We're probably subsidising his wages too. Can't see St Etienne being able to afford what we're probably paying him. We're paying him to play 'okay' elsewhere. But that's not out of the ordinary for us.
I literally cannot remember him doing a single good thing in a Villa shirt. Even Westwood had a tasty goal against West Brom and a handful of assists in his first season (nice through ball to Gabby against Norwich I can recollect). In fact I can't even remember what Veretout looks like. I can even picture Berson's face FFS.
He had a handful of assists for us last year to be fair. Pretty handy at set pieces too. Definitely a player with lots of ability but not sure he has the required application to go with it.
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Never playing here again. Not a chance. He couldn't wait to get out. We're probably subsidising his wages too. Can't see St Etienne being able to afford what we're probably paying him. We're paying him to play 'okay' elsewhere. But that's not out of the ordinary for us.
I literally cannot remember him doing a single good thing in a Villa shirt. Even Westwood had a tasty goal against West Brom and a handful of assists in his first season (nice through ball to Gabby against Norwich I can recollect). In fact I can't even remember what Veretout looks like. I can even picture Berson's face FFS.
He had a handful of assists for us last year to be fair. Pretty handy at set pieces too. Definitely a player with lots of ability but not sure he has the required application to go with it.
In the sake balance I suppose last season is one we're all trying to wipe from our memories, while the tail end of Lamberks first season is probably like watching Barcelona in comparison.
But as I say, all academic as he'll be desperate for a permanent move.
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I'd have him back for what it's worth
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Sport Witness (http://sportwitness.co.uk/midfielder-speaks-important-aston-villa-decision-well-see-three-months/)
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In an interview with Le Dauphiné this week, he claims he still doesn’t know where he’ll be playing next season.
“I belong to Villa, of which I remain a big supporter. That said, with Les Verts, the door is not closed. We’ll see in three months”.
Veretout arrived at Aston Villa on a £8.5m transfer from FC Nantes in 2015. He claims that moving from France to England had a huge impact in his playing style: “I like to project myself forward, to make others play. To sit in front of the defense or more forward on the pitch.
“At Villa, despite the relegation, I learned a lot. I played 29 matches, I grew, progressed. In England, the pace is high. It goes quickly. “Box to box”, you need stamina”.
The player has a contract with Aston Villa until 2020. The loan deal with Saint-Étienne does not include a buying option over the player, which means the clubs would have to find a new agreement in case the French side want to keep him.
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Sounds positive.
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Let's hope he continues his good form til May, then we're in a good position to call the shots.
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He is a good player (by our standards).
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I hope that he could be re-introduced at some stage
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I still feel there's more than a useful player in there who could very well still do a good job for us.
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I'd see no harm in having him back and in the squad. I think we'd need to improve in terms of confidence and a style of play for him to flourish here though.
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I'd rather have him, Gil and Sanchez in midfield along with maybe Lansbury.
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Liked him and think we bombed him out too quickly
Hope he plays for us again
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I'd definitely have Sanchez back. We seem to need a holding midfielder to be able to semi-compete, when Jedinak is Jediknackered, Sanchez can step in, or visa versa.
He did have some shockers but I think overall the good outweighed the bad, and again, a solid option to have in an otherwise fairly lightweight midfield.
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Sanchez biggest problem was his lack of stamina. He couldn't go beyond an hour.
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Sanchez been starting regularly for Viola and has been playing RB/right sided CB of a back 3.
Agree with Ads, slower paced league suits him much more than England.
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Sanchez been starting regularly for Viola and has been playing RB/right sided CB of a back 3.
Wasn't that Micah Richard's destiny before we were landed with him?
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Sanchez been starting regularly for Viola and has been playing RB/right sided CB of a back 3.
Agree with Ads, slower paced league suits him much more than England.
Tbh, something that to my view could be levelled at pretty much any player you care to name of ours of recent years. All of 'em, to a man, sooooo fucking slow in thought and deed.
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Sanchez been starting regularly for Viola and has been playing RB/right sided CB of a back 3.
Wasn't that Micah Richard's destiny before we were landed with him?
His regular station there was in the stand.
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Liked him and think we bombed him out too quickly
Hope he plays for us again
Me too, but can't see it myself.
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While we have still got Gabby and Richards, two of the worst anti French dressing room agitators, central to Bruce's plans, it will be hard to persuade Veretout to return.
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I just wonder about what happened behind the scenes for RDM to decide that he didn't fancy him when we only had Gardner, Westwood and Jedinak in the stocks. Surely that had to be an attitude thing, because it certainly sounds like he's done quite well in Ligue 1, which I daresay outstrips anything the Championship could produce. Likewise, I can't help but wonder if that interview is mostly just lip service. I mean, I'm not saying he's a horrible tosser or anything, but just that I'm not sure he'll really fancy coming back when there are probably offers from teams more decent than we are out there.
I think the scenario that would suit all parties is for us to receive an offer from one of the bigger French clubs who've looked at the good season he's had at St Etienne and decided that he's still a talented player worth paying good money for, and for us to make sure the eventual price is close enough to what we paid for him, maybe by negotiating some bonuses and/or a sell-on.
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I think Veretout's "attitude" problem goes right back to his arrival at the club. He is on record as saying that Sherwood did not talk to him and he seems to have been singled out as a focus for the Sherwood "never wanted them in the first place" fabricated, media driven attempts by Sherwood to shore up his bogus reputation for getting the best out of "his"players. Veretout was first under the bus.
Add to this the disgraceful Secret Santa mockery of the imported players and the players' Christmas party nastiness and Jordan Veretout was never going to want to be a Villa man.
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I think Veretout's "attitude" problem goes right back to his arrival at the club. He is on record as saying that Sherwood did not talk to him and he seems to have been singled out as a focus for the Sherwood "never wanted them in the first place" fabricated, media driven attempts by Sherwood to shore up his bogus reputation for getting the best out of "his"players. Veretout was first under the bus.
Add to this the disgraceful Secret Santa mockery of the imported players and the players' Christmas party nastiness and Jordan Veretout was never going to want to be a Villa man.
I think he struggled with the language as well and he and his partner had or were having there first child last season. All added up to what sounds like a pretty miserable start to life en angleterre.
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Awful defending from the No.4
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It was, but the finish was mustard.
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Hope he will be much better when we have him back next season but we will have to get rid of certain players. New Owner, New Manager, New Coaching Staff and about 12 new players and improved confidence which should help him.
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Add to this the disgraceful Secret Santa mockery of the imported players and the players' Christmas party nastiness and Jordan Veretout was never going to want to be a Villa man.
What happened then?
I must admit I didn't watch the whole secret santa thing as I found myself wanting to punch the monitor after 30 secs of listening to Richards screeching his way through like a parrot and Guzan doing his best 'butt-head' impersonation.
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Add to this the disgraceful Secret Santa mockery of the imported players and the players' Christmas party nastiness and Jordan Veretout was never going to want to be a Villa man.
What happened then?
I must admit I didn't watch the whole secret santa thing as I found myself wanting to punch the monitor after 30 secs of listening to Richards screeching his way through like a parrot and Guzan doing his best 'butt-head' impersonation.
I endured it. Think of the Titanic going down and the band playing their final number knowing their fate is sealed. Just to the right of them is a bunch of idiots larking around laughing at their own stupidity completely oblivious about what's about to happen.
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Well it hasn't harmed two of them financially as they are still at the club trousering huge wads of cash for doing nowt
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Add to this the disgraceful Secret Santa mockery of the imported players and the players' Christmas party nastiness and Jordan Veretout was never going to want to be a Villa man.
What happened then?
I must admit I didn't watch the whole secret santa thing as I found myself wanting to punch the monitor after 30 secs of listening to Richards screeching his way through like a parrot and Guzan doing his best 'butt-head' impersonation.
Agbonlahor was given a French dictionary as his 'present'. He began flicking through it and intimated that he was looking for a for a word that was blanked out on the film (can only guess it c@nts or something equally unpleasant). Those in attendance (which didn't include any of the French players) found this hilarious and then spent the ret of the film rolling about on the floor.
I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to release that film at that particular time.
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I hadn't actually heard that but it does make you wonder about the level of fucking idiot that released it like you say. It shows that some of these pricks still think that they can behave like they're in high school whilst earning the money they earn to represent an internationally renowned sporting institution.
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Except there is no evidence that that is what Gabby was doing. It may have been c*nts to those taking the pee out of him for his rubbish attempts at French. The Frend may have not been involved but neither were lots of the UK based players. Veretout was involved in the Mr?Mrs type game they did with questions that had to be answered with HIM/Me. Least likely to be in first for training type stuff - Off the top of my head there was Kozak, Veretout, Gestede...I agree though that given the situation of the club it was a little misguided to do something showing an irreverant jocular attitude.
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At the very least it shows there was a divide between the English and French players (probably not a surprise considering the manager favoured English players and the club bought players following scouting recommendations). The new signings may not have felt welcome at the club.
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End the loan and bring him home.
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As much as I don't like that he didn't stay to help us get promoted I can also understand given how all of the foreign players were treated under Sherwood why he might want to get out. That said I think there is talent there and I want as many talented players at the club provided they want to be with us and are motivated. That's the key.
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At the end of last season he needed to get away from the Club and play his football elsewhere so as to regain his confidence. There was too much going on last season around the players, especially the foreign ones.
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Interesting interview with Sylla on a French football website that can be found on news now - very complimentary about us and was very supportive when his interviewer implied we were on a death spiral out of the championship
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And he's off. £4.5m to Saint Etienne.
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Shame. He looked like he at least had some technical ability, something I've not spotted in most of our squad.
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Fuck me, thats a really shit price for us.
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Shame. He looked like he at least had some technical ability, something I've not spotted in most of our squad.
Probably why he's being sold.
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It'll probably free up the money for Bruce to make a move for Lee Cattermole.
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Not Cattermole he isn't on the right nearly as often as he would want him to be. I heard he's trying to sign Nigel Farage currently without a club.
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On the same day Marco Arnautovic goes for £24m.....
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Shame. He looked like he at least had some technical ability, something I've not spotted in most of our squad.
Agreed. Then again to be fair he also looked very slow, even in our squad.
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On the same day Marco Arnautovic goes for £24m.....
You're shitting me?
I hope we've retained a sell-on for Veretout. He might yet do very good things. Interesting that he was involved a fair bit in the friendlies so far. I wonder if Bruce was still trying to get him to stay.
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4.5 is fine as long as it include 50% of any profit over 4.5m for future sell ons. If it doesn't, it's really shit.
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If it's a flat 4.5 that's terrible.
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Fuck me, thats a really shit price for us.
Really?
I was expecting 2-3m for him given his lack of impact here.
Maybe we could've recouped the 7m if Monaco or Marseille had been interested but they're not and below that there's hardly any decent money in France.
If Amavi had gone we could've recouped 15m for him, Veretout and Sanchez which would have been pretty good in the circumstances.
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I didn't expect more. We overpaid in the first place. We were trying to sell to mid table French and Spanish clubs and I don't think they've got enough money to go much higher?
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On the same day Marco Arnautovic goes for £24m.....
He's actually been a pretty good player in the premier league and so has got another premier league team with cash to burn interested.
It's unfair comparing the two, our equivalent was Downing who we got 18m for six long years ago so I'd suggest back then was a pretty good price for a player who did little after leaving us.
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I didn't expect more. We overpaid in the first place. We were trying to sell to mid table French and Spanish clubs and I don't think they've got enough money to go much higher?
Same reason we can't seem to shift Gil. Unless a Spanish team is in europe there's little money to play with and most of them rely on loans.
I do think the ridiculous money in the premier league which is now filtering down to the championship makes people think all the teams in major leagues in europe are signing players for 20m and paying them 100k which is far from the case.
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Heard on BBC R5Live sports news this morning the fee could rise to £7million depending on conditional add ons, which were not specified.
It is clear that in the summer he was signed Villa were paying way too much for players brought in.
Therefore, our present team of negotiators are having to do the best they can to limit the inevitable losses on sales.
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When did we last underpay for a player?
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benteke?
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Milner, Young, Downing - all bought for a collective £26m and all sold for a collective £63m. *note I have included Ireland as an £8m makeweight for the Milner deal.
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
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If it's a flat 4.5 that's terrible.
What has he done in a Villa shirt to warrant someone paying more ?
Answer = Fuck all
We got shafted on him, just as we did/will Amavi. All fart and no shit the pair of them
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
Thats pretty decent IMO
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
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benteke?
Correct. How many years and managers ago was that.
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So we had him back for pre season, trained him, played him now sold him
Does that mean all players that have played so far in pre season are up for sale also - I hope so
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Is there really any need to be distraught in July over the Villa?
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yes August to May is quite long enough
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
Definitely been on 5Live about us recently, notably on the John Terry signing
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Goodbye and good luck. Never worked out at the villa and won't be fancies under Bruce so inevitable he's leaving.
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
Definitely been on 5Live about us recently, notably on the John Terry signing
Presumably as the BBC's Midlands reporter he's not really in a position to dictate which clubs he does and doesn't report on?
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Pleased we managed to get him off the books, and for a decent fee that might rise.
If we pick up a fee for Cissokho, and maybe even Amavi then FFP is looking closer to being OK. Hopefully next season we are in the Prem again, but even if we are not then at least the likes of Gabby, Hutton and some others on Premier league wages are starting to leave the wage bill.
Wonder if we will see another signing now some cash is incoming.
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Apparently he didn't turn up to his st Etienne medical amid rumours of a 7 mil bid from fiorentina
I reckon even I might leave villa to live in a villa outside Florence and play football for a living
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If true that explains how we were able to drive a decent bargain from St Etienne.
I guess he must love the Villa still, if he wants to be reunited with our Carlos (Sanchez, not Kickaball Cuellar).
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Apparently he didn't turn up to his st Etienne medical amid rumours of a 7 mil bid from fiorentina
I reckon even I might leave villa to live in a villa outside Florence and play football for a living
Saw this story on the Sports Witness web site. L'Equipe reported the no show for the medical at St Etienne. An Italian paper said Fiorentina have had a €7 million bid accepted. No idea how reliable this all is - probably not much.
Elsewhere Mail saying Whelan nearly done at around £1 million fee.
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benteke?
Correct. How many years and managers ago was that.
Benteke was still unknown and coming from the Belgium league so I'd say 7m was still a decent amount as he could've easily been as much of a dud as likes of Tonev and Helenius.
It's a good question though. I'd probably say signing someone like Vlaar for 3m. Yes very injury prone but he was still a Dutch international with decent pedigree in the game.
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
Definitely been on 5Live about us recently, notably on the John Terry signing
Presumably as the BBC's Midlands reporter he's not really in a position to dictate which clubs he does and doesn't report on?
Shame. One of the few benefits of being relegated was Pat Murphy would not be talking about us.
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
Definitely been on 5Live about us recently, notably on the John Terry signing
Presumably as the BBC's Midlands reporter he's not really in a position to dictate which clubs he does and doesn't report on?
Shame. One of the few benefits of being relegated was Pat Murphy would not be talking about us.
I disagree. I think he tells it as he sees it, and for much of the past 7 years he has has a lot to criticise. I usually find I agree with his analysis of the Villa.
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I disagree. I think he tells it as he sees it, and for much of the past 7 years he has has a lot to criticise. I usually find I agree with his analysis of the Villa.
Aye. I am in the minority I know. I can't stand the bloke. I think he actively dislikes this club and its fans and I find his style of reporting self important and pompous. I want to throw an egg every time I see or hear him speak. An over the hill out of touch blow hard who should have been fired years ago.
I will give him credit for one thing. He doesn't make stuff up, so I believe when he says something he believes it is true, even if it turns out to be wrong. So I will give him that.
But as I say, most respected posters here disagree with me about him which is cool. My views have not softened on him over the years though.
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
Definitely been on 5Live about us recently, notably on the John Terry signing
Presumably as the BBC's Midlands reporter he's not really in a position to dictate which clubs he does and doesn't report on?
Shame. One of the few benefits of being relegated was Pat Murphy would not be talking about us.
I disagree. I think he tells it as he sees it, and for much of the past 7 years he has has a lot to criticise. I usually find I agree with his analysis of the Villa.
Spot on.
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
Definitely been on 5Live about us recently, notably on the John Terry signing
Presumably as the BBC's Midlands reporter he's not really in a position to dictate which clubs he does and doesn't report on?
Shame. One of the few benefits of being relegated was Pat Murphy would not be talking about us.
I disagree. I think he tells it as he sees it, and for much of the past 7 years he has has a lot to criticise. I usually find I agree with his analysis of the Villa.
Spot on.
Yeah I thought he reported honestly about about our games, I even thought he had a soft spot for us
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I'd be more sympathetic to his stance if he didn't spend the rest of time reporting from the anal cavity of whoever is in charge at the Yawnthorns.
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I'd be more sympathetic to his stance if he didn't spend the rest of time reporting from the anal cavity of whoever is in charge at the Yawnthorns.
But sadly they're the only PL club in our area so we have to live with it till we're back where we belong.
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I'd be more sympathetic to his stance if he didn't spend the rest of time reporting from the anal cavity of whoever is in charge at the Yawnthorns.
But sadly they're the only PL club in our area so we have to live with it till we're back where we belong.
Yes, but before that it didn't feel as though he took the same critical stance with them as he did with us. I'm all for journalists exposing owners and clubs that are badly run or malignant, but I suspect Murphy's ire was generated by a personal grievance, with which frankly he can fuck off.
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I disagree. I think he tells it as he sees it, and for much of the past 7 years he has has a lot to criticise. I usually find I agree with his analysis of the Villa.
Aye. I am in the minority I know. I can't stand the bloke. I think he actively dislikes this club and its fans and I find his style of reporting self important and pompous. I want to throw an egg every time I see or hear him speak. An over the hill out of touch blow hard who should have been fired years ago.
I will give him credit for one thing. He doesn't make stuff up, so I believe when he says something he believes it is true, even if it turns out to be wrong. So I will give him that.
But as I say, most respected posters here disagree with me about him which is cool. My views have not softened on him over the years though.
We have this debate regularly and all I can add is that for someone who supposedly dislikes our fans, he's helped enough of us over the years. He's said before now that he has no feelings either way towards the Villa - he reports what he sees. As for pompous, I'd prefer to call it traditional, old-fashioned even, and in a world increasingly dominated by shock jockery and the desire for clickbait, that's no bad thing.
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For the past few years, he seems to be as fcuked off about the goings on at Villa as I have. Can't argue with a word he says.
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He remains the one journalist that doesn't get all timid and worried they'll upset managers and players with confrontational questions, for that alone he's a breath of fresh air. Really admired him for standing up for his colleague against that bully Person.
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According to Pat Murphy, there's a sell-on clause.
Ahmed Elmohamady will link up again with his former manager Steve Bruce, signing for £1m from Hull City while Jordan Veretout will move to St Etienne for £5m rising with add-ons to £7m - the same amount he cost Villa two years ago from Nantes.
There's also a significant sell-on fee if Veretout leaves St Etienne.
Villa remain in the market for one more player,possibly two.
I thought Pat Murphy had thrown a tantrum last season and refused to deal with Villa stories.
Definitely been on 5Live about us recently, notably on the John Terry signing
Presumably as the BBC's Midlands reporter he's not really in a position to dictate which clubs he does and doesn't report on?
If he's working for the BBC and carrying out that work in the Midlands, then he's pulling off a near miracle.
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I disagree. I think he tells it as he sees it, and for much of the past 7 years he has has a lot to criticise. I usually find I agree with his analysis of the Villa.
Aye. I am in the minority I know. I can't stand the bloke. I think he actively dislikes this club and its fans and I find his style of reporting self important and pompous. I want to throw an egg every time I see or hear him speak. An over the hill out of touch blow hard who should have been fired years ago.
I will give him credit for one thing. He doesn't make stuff up, so I believe when he says something he believes it is true, even if it turns out to be wrong. So I will give him that.
But as I say, most respected posters here disagree with me about him which is cool. My views have not softened on him over the years though.
I get you - i have my own irrational dislikes too. John Motson for one.....
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I disagree. I think he tells it as he sees it, and for much of the past 7 years he has has a lot to criticise. I usually find I agree with his analysis of the Villa.
Aye. I am in the minority I know. I can't stand the bloke. I think he actively dislikes this club and its fans and I find his style of reporting self important and pompous. I want to throw an egg every time I see or hear him speak. An over the hill out of touch blow hard who should have been fired years ago.
I will give him credit for one thing. He doesn't make stuff up, so I believe when he says something he believes it is true, even if it turns out to be wrong. So I will give him that.
But as I say, most respected posters here disagree with me about him which is cool. My views have not softened on him over the years though.
I get you - i have my own irrational dislikes too. John Motson for one.....
Yes, I despise Motson. He was good in the 80's. I now turn the sound off for his 'commentary' and I also turn the tv over if his big fat red piggy self important face is ever on there.
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Looks like this one is done Fiorentina 7m EUR.
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I get you - i have my own irrational dislikes too. John Motson for one.....
With you on Motson, I could have sworn he 'retired' a few years ago but he's still there sounding surprised when a goal is scored or shouting "OOH, LOOK AT THAT", I was bought his autobiography a few years ago, didn't even break the spine, straight to the charity shop.
If Pat Murphy didn't talk about Villa those of us who don't live in the Midlands wouldn't hear a thing about the club, he's always struck me as fair and for all the criticism he came in for on here regarding Lerner he spotted he was a wrong 'un early on.
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I must be in the minority of loving John Motson. His commentary reminds me of FA Cup Semi Finals, Finals.
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deal done
Au revoir Jordan. Thanks for erm...that pass to Gabby for the goal vs Norwich
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Yet another player who we all got excited about, only for him to then contribute fuck all.
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More or less got our money back, not too bad, considering.
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Is it me or does he look like he's permanently sucking on a Lemon.
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He was one I was genuinely excited about despite knowing next to nothing about him until we were in for him. Goes to show you, you're never too old to be sucked in to the hype.
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I thought he was going to be good for us but may be like others we have become a bit of career graveyard for footballers over the years. Good luck to him at Fiorentina.
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and he can play with Carlos Sanchez. Wonder if they want Richards back ;) and Agbonlahor ;)
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In all honesty I think he could've been a very good signing but he joined when we were a basket case for a manager who didn't appear to want him or know how to use him and then last year we seemed determined to push him out on loan when we should've been trying to build a midfield around him. Maybe he wanted away but I don't think anyone did much to stop him last year or this.
Good luck to him, I suspect he'll be another player that goes on to do well, just like Gana.
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I don't think there was anything wrong with the signings of Amavi, Veretout, Amavi. They just couldn't have come into a worse situation at a football club. Divided, dysfunctional and a manager who as soon as things went wrong pointed to the foreigners. A match made in hell.
Edit: and Gueye of course. He's proven to be a superb player at PL level
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so we signed two Amavis?
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Good riddance! Contributed FA. Poor attitude and disrespectful of not just Villa but also St.Etienne. He'll probably sh-t on Fiorentina at some stage and maybe we can benefit from a sell-on if one exists.
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Bloody hopeless. Good riddance.
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Aston Villa can announce that Jordan Veretout has moved to Fiorentina.
Veretout joins the Serie A side on a permanent deal.
The 24-year-old will now link up with Viola under head coach Stefano Pioli.
Veretout, who joined us in July 2015 from French side Nantes, played 29 times in claret and blue.
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Cheerio Jordan. Thanks for, er, something.
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Good riddance! Contributed FA. Poor attitude and disrespectful of not just Villa but also St.Etienne. He'll probably sh-t on Fiorentina at some stage and maybe we can benefit from a sell-on if one exists.
Where has this shitty attitude thing come from? He was woefully fucked over by Sherwood. In one of my meetings with Fox he talked about Veretout and recounted a story of him struggling with the language and how we wanted him to play. Sherwood wouldn't talk to him.
In fact, on the day Sherwood got the boot, he commented on the way out that Veretout would never make it as a footballer.
If Tactics Tim was that dismissive of half the squad (and lest we forget he pretended he had personally scouted and sourced them all), it is no wonder we were such a fucking basket case in the relegation season.
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I don't think there was anything wrong with the signings of Amavi, Veretout, Amavi. They just couldn't have come into a worse situation at a football club. Divided, dysfunctional and a manager who as soon as things went wrong pointed to the foreigners. A match made in hell.
Edit: and Gueye of course. He's proven to be a superb player at PL level
Exactly, a proper coaching setup and a manager with a better knowledge of everything than dim tim and I think they could've formed a core part of a decent team.
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Thank goodness for that, now if we can just find mugs to take Amavi, Richards, and Gabby.
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Any idea of fee?
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Any idea of fee?
€7m so about £6m which is decent and means we didn't actually lose much on him.
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£6.25m plus add ons.
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What the new regime have done a good job in doing so far is getting reasonable money for outgoing players. Getting £5m for Westwood was a great achievement in itself.
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Getting £5 million for Westwood should have had us up in front of the beak.
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so we signed two Amavis?
Sorry meant Adama.
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Quite honestly Westwood was a better player and a much better pointer.
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Pity he didn't sign for Leicester who wanted him 2 years ago. They were disappointed that he chose Villa. I don't think he's that good - attitude all wrong. Good riddance....
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Be interesting to hear his parting words/side of the story.
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Pity he didn't sign for Leicester who wanted him 2 years ago. They were disappointed that he chose Villa. I don't think he's that good - attitude all wrong. Good riddance....
Didn't they sign Kante instead?
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Be interesting to hear his parting words/side of the story.
He was quite complimentary about us a few months back which surprised me given what a disastrous move it was for him.
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so we signed two Amavis?
Sorry meant Adama.
Who!😉
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Aston Villa can announce that Jordan Veretout has moved to Fiorentina.
Veretout joins the Serie A side on a permanent deal.
The 24-year-old will now link up with Viola under head coach Stefano Pioli.
Veretout, who joined us in July 2015 from French side Nantes, played 29 times in claret and blue.
if i'd have been asked how many times JV played for Villa, i'd have got nowhere near 29
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Aston Villa can announce that Jordan Veretout has moved to Fiorentina.
Veretout joins the Serie A side on a permanent deal.
The 24-year-old will now link up with Viola under head coach Stefano Pioli.
Veretout, who joined us in July 2015 from French side Nantes, played 29 times in claret and blue.
if i'd have been asked how many times JV played for Villa, i'd have got nowhere near 29
The thread title reads like a line from a dodgy TV drama spoken in broken English by the East European nanny, "Jordan, vere too gone?".
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I actually think if he'd gone to Leicester when he picked us he'd have gone on to be a very decent Premier League midfielder. It's us that's been the problem these last few years, not Gana, Veretout, Amavi etc.
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One of the few players I'd have tried to hang on to.
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I was gutted at the thought of him selecting Leicester ahead of us - what on earth was i thinking! He didn't even bother to flatter to deceive.
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I actually think if he'd gone to Leicester when he picked us he'd have gone on to be a very decent Premier League midfielder. It's us that's been the problem these last few years, not Gana, Veretout, Amavi etc.
I think this is definitely the case, I'd include Gil and Adama to this. Something wasn't/(maybe still isn't) right with the culture and atmosphere for new players...
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In all honesty I think he could've been a very good signing but he joined when we were a basket case for a manager who didn't appear to want him or know how to use him and then last year we seemed determined to push him out on loan when we should've been trying to build a midfield around him. Maybe he wanted away but I don't think anyone did much to stop him last year or this.
Good luck to him, I suspect he'll be another player that goes on to do well, just like Gana.
Certainly a talented player but didnt seem to have the heart or mobility to play in a centre midfield role in the top division.
Fitness could certainly be improved though and if his attitude does likewise, I think he will play at a level above where we are likely to be for next 3-5 years.
Slower pace in Italian football likely to be suit him a lot better too.
Fiorentina or play kick and rush under Bruce in the championship is an easy choice lets be honest.
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In all honesty I think he could've been a very good signing but he joined when we were a basket case for a manager who didn't appear to want him or know how to use him and then last year we seemed determined to push him out on loan when we should've been trying to build a midfield around him. Maybe he wanted away but I don't think anyone did much to stop him last year or this.
Good luck to him, I suspect he'll be another player that goes on to do well, just like Gana.
Certainly a talented player but didnt seem to have the heart or mobility to play in a centre midfield role in the top division.
Fitness could certainly be improved though and if his attitude does likewise, I think he will play at a level above where we are likely to be for next 3-5 years.
Slower pace in Italian football likely to be suit him a lot better too.
Fiorentina or play kick and rush under Bruce in the championship is an easy choice lets be honest.
The bottom line is the important bit really, if he was utterly shit as a few people on here have said he wouldn't be going to a club like that. At some point people need to accept that the club is failing the players it buys far more often than they fail the club. Whilst fans are happy to just boo and hiss at the next guy who comes in and isn't what they expect the club get away with wasting monry on players they don't know how to use and don't have the ability to improve.
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In all honesty I think he could've been a very good signing but he joined when we were a basket case for a manager who didn't appear to want him or know how to use him and then last year we seemed determined to push him out on loan when we should've been trying to build a midfield around him. Maybe he wanted away but I don't think anyone did much to stop him last year or this.
Good luck to him, I suspect he'll be another player that goes on to do well, just like Gana.
Certainly a talented player but didnt seem to have the heart or mobility to play in a centre midfield role in the top division.
Fitness could certainly be improved though and if his attitude does likewise, I think he will play at a level above where we are likely to be for next 3-5 years.
Slower pace in Italian football likely to be suit him a lot better too.
Fiorentina or play kick and rush under Bruce in the championship is an easy choice lets be honest.
The bottom line is the important bit really, if he was utterly shit as a few people on here have said he wouldn't be going to a club like that. At some point people need to accept that the club is failing the players it buys far more often than they fail the club. Whilst fans are happy to just boo and hiss at the next guy who comes in and isn't what they expect the club get away with wasting monry on players they don't know how to use and don't have the ability to improve.
Yep. Company X bring in staff with a decent track record elsewhere on very reasonable salaries, however their roles aren't clearly defined, and they aren't particularly welcomed with open arms by other longer-standing team members. Then the manager who interviewed them for the role leaves the company, a new manager comes in and wants to bring in his own staff, demoralised staff brought in previously then leave. Company continues to lose money, blames staff saying it needs better performing employees and the high turnover continues.
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Maybe his heart wasn't in it once we'd got relegated or he just didn't settle here. Some transfers don't work out for whatever reason. He's not the first or won't be the last. At least we got the majority of our money back for him though.
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I think we should just knock french midfielders on the head. In fact, all French players.
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I think we should just knock french midfielders on the head. In fact, all French players.
Second, third rate French players. I can think of a few who I'd love here if we were better placed.
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Indeed
There's a myth that there are loads of bargains in France - that it's an under tapped market. There aren't
But there are some sensational French players who would do or actually do brilliantly in England
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Let's hope Dimitri Sea can change our luck on that front.
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Indeed
There's a myth that there are loads of bargains in France - that it's an under tapped market. There aren't
But there are some sensational French players who would do or actually do brilliantly in England
It's a stepping stone for young African players. The bargains are from this pool, rather than French players themselves. Belgium is similar.
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Powder puff, gutless, invisible. I'm actually shocked he played 29 games. I didn't realise it had been that many and I can't remember any of them. He'll go down as yet another monumental waste of money but I suppose we've at least got some of that back.
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He scored a decent goal against Real Madrid in a friendly the other night
2:18mins in these highlights:
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He scored a decent goal against Real Madrid in a friendly the other night
2:18mins in these highlights:
Good luck to him.
Deserved to be able to play a better hand than he was dealt with us.
I don't think it's a huge punt to guess that he'll go on to have a better career than the likes of Henri Lansbury.
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he might well do, but I'm convinced he was never going to make an impression with us.
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Not when he was constantly played out of position.
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He scored a decent goal against Real Madrid in a friendly the other night
2:18mins in these highlights:
Good luck to him.
Deserved to be able to play a better hand than he was dealt with us.
I don't think it's a huge punt to guess that he'll go on to have a better career than the likes of Henri Lansbury.
He has to be gutted though to not be playing at Barnsley or Bristol City and instead for Fiorentina in the Italian top flight and friendlies against the likes of Real Madrid.
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And actually being spoken to by the manager.
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Why did Garde ignore him?
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No. Sherwood.
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Yet another in a long line of players who is no doubt better than he looked in a Villa shirt.
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And overlooked in favour of those who did not deserve to wear one.
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What did he do here that makes you think he deserved to wear one.
I don't quite understand this holding of a candle for Garde and any of bilge that played for us that year. Veretout included, whatever he does elsewhere, was utter shite.
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I am not going to bite Ads.. You are doing your thing of coming onto the forum looking for a fight with somebody.
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I'm asking a question. Veretout was dire for us. He wasn't alone in that and there may be compounding factors, but I cannot understand any misty eyed thinking over any of the players in that squad.
Bacuna scored and created more that season.
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For me, he didn't show nearly enough. I'm not going to defend Sherwood, or Black, or Garde (the only one who really put Jordan close to regularly in the side). I thought he was gutless, heartless and mopey. He didn't offer nearly enough on the pitch to warrant any misty eyed regrets for me. I don't think we saw anything like enough from him in his attitude here to warrant any revisionism.
Amavi wasn't great by any stretch but at least he tried, and he did at least stick around last season when it would have been quite easy to head straight for the exit door. Veretout left a Veretout shaped hole in the wall of VP he buggered off with such haste.
Someone like Holman as an example. Bloody awful player, but when he was here, at least he tried. He got on with it. It wasn't just someone elses fault he was playing crap. I'm not sure Veretout was ever willing to have good hard look at himself for things not working out here. I cannot remember him on the pitch at all, and given he was probably the signing that was deemed the one with most potential that summer (along with Amavi probably), that's not too impressive. Ayew tried that season. He struggled first but kept going. Never had a comfortable position in the side, but he kept plugging away and it seemed to matter.
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Veretout was not a waster like Ireland etc. He is part of a long list of players we have wasted. I liked him and I hope he goes on to have a great time at Fiorentina.
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Veretout was not a waster like Ireland etc. He is part of a long list of players we have wasted. I liked him and I hope he goes on to have a great time at Fiorentina.
Don't forget Ireland was our player of the season in 2011-12. (Tee hee).
I never got the impression from Veretout that he was giving 100%
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Yes Ireland player of the season that was further evidence on "presentation over facts" theory.
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It's hard to know with a lot of the recent players if they were crap, just not suited to the Premier League, or were actually decent but were sucked under by the all-consuming undercurrent of failure at B6.
I suspect that Veretout was actually a good footballer, but for whatever reason he was crap for us, and I don't miss him.
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I'm asking a question. Veretout was dire for us. He wasn't alone in that and there may be compounding factors, but I cannot understand any misty eyed thinking over any of the players in that squad.
Bacuna scored and created more that season.
I literally can't recall a single memorable thing Veretout did in a Villa shirt. Not even one really good pass, or shot, or anything.
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Set up Gabby with a nice ball for a goal in a rare win under Garde (against Norwich, obviously). Gabbys finger to the mouth haterz gonna hate# goal. How could you forget it?! Veretout might have had one or two more assists that season too. (Ayew at Newcastle? Although he made that for himself really, fantastic individual effort).
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He led the team in chances created and assists that season, despite barely featuring under Sherwood and Black - you can check it up on Squawka if you can be bothered to do so. To say that he wasn't particularly good for us is one thing but to say that he offered absolutely nothing is unfair.
The problem, I think, was more that he was a WIP anyway, and even if he was closer to the finished product, his positive attributes didn't align with what we badly needed from midfield that season, which was someone who could drive forward and hit the box, whereas he was someone who had some guile and who could pick a pass.
The list of problems that season is comically long, but for me, the top three were the clownshoes defence and keeper; no centre forward capable of leading the line and opening up space in and around the box for the likes of Sinclair, Ayew, and Gil to work in; and no midfielders with a clue as to what to do once you got within 30 metres of the opponent's goal.
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Set up Gabby with a nice ball for a goal in a rare win under Garde (against Norwich, obviously). Gabbys finger to the mouth haterz gonna hate# goal. How could you forget it?! Veretout might have had one or two more assists that season too. (Ayew at Newcastle? Although he made that for himself really, fantastic individual effort).
A few good corners I recall. Lescott's goal against Southampton? Or Palace? Or both?
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I'm asking a question. Veretout was dire for us. He wasn't alone in that and there may be compounding factors, but I cannot understand any misty eyed thinking over any of the players in that squad.
Bacuna scored and created more that season.
I literally can't recall a single memorable thing Veretout did in a Villa shirt. Not even one really good pass, or shot, or anything.
He was crap.
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And he's still better than Gardner and Lansbury !!
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And he's still better than Gardner and Lansbury !!
Talk about damned with faint praise.
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I'm asking a question. Veretout was dire for us. He wasn't alone in that and there may be compounding factors, but I cannot understand any misty eyed thinking over any of the players in that squad.
Bacuna scored and created more that season.
I literally can't recall a single memorable thing Veretout did in a Villa shirt. Not even one really good pass, or shot, or anything.
Could say the same about Gana Gueye but he's gone on to better things.
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And he's still better than Gardner and Lansbury !!
Talk about damned with faint praise.
I guess I have to explain my terrible jokes.
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A half decent player but not suited to the English game...he'll do better in Italian and French leagues with a slower paced game.
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It's hard to know with a lot of the recent players if they were crap, just not suited to the Premier League, or were actually decent but were sucked under by the all-consuming undercurrent of failure at B6.
I suspect that Veretout was actually a good footballer, but for whatever reason he was crap for us, and I don't miss him.
I don't think that the Veretout, Gueye, Ayew, Amavi, Gil, Okore, Sanchez or Traore signings were the problem. Rather it was the fact that there was no experienced spine or structure of a team to introduce them around. The likes of Richards, Lescott, Richardson, Cole and Agbonlahor were woefully inadequate in providing the leadership and calm heads required to blood all of these young players with no PL experience. There had also been a general running down of the squad over a number of years, with Guzan, Westwood, Hutton, Bacuna, Cissokho, Sinclair, and Gestede all first teamers, despite frankly not being good enough. We would have needed to replace Vlaar, Delph and Benteke properly to allow the likes of Veretout to flourish.
As I've said on another thread, when clubs are circling around the plughole for a few years, through desperation they end up overspending on average players and generally getting bad value in the transfer market. Sunderland got themselves in that position, with a bigger wage bill than Atletico Madrid - whereas Chelsea in the most part get good value out of the transfer market, operating from a position of strength and picking up young highly-rated players for reasonable sums.
MON's transfer strategy was unsustainable, but what replaced it wasn't sustainable either, and ultimately self-defeating.
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It's hard to know with a lot of the recent players if they were crap, just not suited to the Premier League, or were actually decent but were sucked under by the all-consuming undercurrent of failure at B6.
I suspect that Veretout was actually a good footballer, but for whatever reason he was crap for us, and I don't miss him.
I don't think that the Veretout, Gueye, Ayew, Amavi, Gil, Okore, Sanchez or Traore signings were the problem. Rather it was the fact that there was no experienced spine or structure of a team to introduce them around. The likes of Richards, Lescott, Richardson, Cole and Agbonlahor were woefully inadequate in providing the leadership and calm heads required to blood all of these young players with no PL experience. There had also been a general running down of the squad over a number of years, with Guzan, Westwood, Hutton, Bacuna, Cissokho, Sinclair, and Gestede all first teamers, despite frankly not being good enough. We would have needed to replace Vlaar, Delph and Benteke properly to allow the likes of Veretout to flourish.
As I've said on another thread, when clubs are circling around the plughole for a few years, through desperation they end up overspending on average players and generally getting bad value in the transfer market. Sunderland got themselves in that position, with a bigger wage bill than Atletico Madrid - whereas Chelsea in the most part get good value out of the transfer market, operating from a position of strength and picking up young highly-rated players for reasonable sums.
MON's transfer strategy was unsustainable, but what replaced it wasn't sustainable either, and ultimately self-defeating.
Not only were these players woefully inadaquate in their leadership as you correctly assert, but quite a few of us on this forum believe there are good grounds to believe that a few of them were openly hostile to the young foreign recruits, and actively undermined them gleefully conducted by Sherwood.
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It's hard to know with a lot of the recent players if they were crap, just not suited to the Premier League, or were actually decent but were sucked under by the all-consuming undercurrent of failure at B6.
I suspect that Veretout was actually a good footballer, but for whatever reason he was crap for us, and I don't miss him.
I don't think that the Veretout, Gueye, Ayew, Amavi, Gil, Okore, Sanchez or Traore signings were the problem. Rather it was the fact that there was no experienced spine or structure of a team to introduce them around. The likes of Richards, Lescott, Richardson, Cole and Agbonlahor were woefully inadequate in providing the leadership and calm heads required to blood all of these young players with no PL experience. There had also been a general running down of the squad over a number of years, with Guzan, Westwood, Hutton, Bacuna, Cissokho, Sinclair, and Gestede all first teamers, despite frankly not being good enough. We would have needed to replace Vlaar, Delph and Benteke properly to allow the likes of Veretout to flourish.
As I've said on another thread, when clubs are circling around the plughole for a few years, through desperation they end up overspending on average players and generally getting bad value in the transfer market. Sunderland got themselves in that position, with a bigger wage bill than Atletico Madrid - whereas Chelsea in the most part get good value out of the transfer market, operating from a position of strength and picking up young highly-rated players for reasonable sums.
MON's transfer strategy was unsustainable, but what replaced it wasn't sustainable either, and ultimately self-defeating.
Beautifully phrased.
Or, to give the alternative view "waah, why didn't these few young, promising 21 year old players suddenly make everything better? Everything being shit was probably their fault for not being immediately brilliant".
"Still, that Sherwood bloke sounded pretty funny on Talksport the other day. Get 'im in, 'e'll show 'em what really caring is. Probably throw his coat on the ground 'n everything".
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I honestly think a lot of our problems have been caused by failing to replace Petrov. Not just for what he did on the pitch, but off the pitch, too.
That and that ridiculously naive "just buy a load of lower division youngsters and, if you want it enough, and throw them in, they'll become good enough" strategy.
The real overriding problem is that since 2006 this club has been run by clueless halfwits. Yes, 2006-10 included some decent finishes, but even then it was all built on sand, by a spoilt man-baby who flounced off at the first whiff of it being hard work.
Lerner has done incredible damage to this club, and look at us now, playing in front of 30k in the second flight and not looking anything like getting out of it, when clubs we used to compete with such as Spurs and Everton are in a different stratosphere to us. Once Spurs get that 60k stadium built, they will be about as relevant to us as Arsenal are.
The fact that we ever found ourselves with a shortlist of one potential manager is bad enough. That that one was Tim Fucking Sherwood is unforgiveable.
Players like Veretout are not the problem, they're really a sympton of the real problem - an ongoing total lack of awareness about where the club was going.
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I honestly think a lot of our problems have been caused by failing to replace Petrov. Not just for what he did on the pitch, but off the pitch, too.
That and that ridiculously naive "just buy a load of lower division youngsters and, if you want it enough, and throw them in, they'll become good enough" strategy.
The real overriding problem is that since 2006 this club has been run by clueless halfwits. Yes, 2006-10 included some decent finishes, but even then it was all built on sand, by a spoilt man-baby who flounced off at the first whiff of it being hard work.
Lerner has done incredible damage to this club, and look at us now, playing in front of 30k in the second flight and not looking anything like getting out of it, when clubs we used to compete with such as Spurs and Everton are in a different stratosphere to us. Once Spurs get that 60k stadium built, they will be about as relevant to us as Arsenal are.
The fact that we ever found ourselves with a shortlist of one potential manager is bad enough. That that one was Tim Fucking Sherwood is unforgiveable.
Players like Veretout are not the problem, they're really a sympton of the real problem - an ongoing total lack of awareness about where the club was going.
This this and this. The extent to which the club has been mismanaged over the last decade is almost impressive - it's like we set out to systematically let all developments on the sport fly past us, and when one (i.e. the new TV money) required merely staying in the same division we flopped right out of it.
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Struggling in Seria A. Viola started with two defeats.
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Struggling in Seria A. Viola started with two defeats.
They did sell around half of their starting eleven this summer and brought in a load of punts from elsewhere.
He should probably be used to it by now.
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@pauliewalnut good stuff you have summed it up very well. We had the relegation notice 4 seasons before it happened and the fuckers incharge did nothing about it😡
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They've signed Benassi from Torino who will be a fine player (probably for Juventus in a couple of years) but losing Bernadeschi, Kalinic and Vecino were big blows for them.
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Their first game was on BT Sport and the commentators picked out Veretout in the first half as one of the few bright spots for Fiorentina.
I hope he does well, but equally would be surprised to see him playing in England again.
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They've signed Benassi from Torino who will be a fine player (probably for Juventus in a couple of years) but losing Bernadeschi, Kalinic and Vecino were big blows for them.
West Brom legend Borja Valero to Inter as well.
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I honestly think a lot of our problems have been caused by failing to replace Petrov. Not just for what he did on the pitch, but off the pitch, too.
That and that ridiculously naive "just buy a load of lower division youngsters and, if you want it enough, and throw them in, they'll become good enough" strategy.
The real overriding problem is that since 2006 this club has been run by clueless halfwits. Yes, 2006-10 included some decent finishes, but even then it was all built on sand, by a spoilt man-baby who flounced off at the first whiff of it being hard work.
Lerner has done incredible damage to this club, and look at us now, playing in front of 30k in the second flight and not looking anything like getting out of it, when clubs we used to compete with such as Spurs and Everton are in a different stratosphere to us. Once Spurs get that 60k stadium built, they will be about as relevant to us as Arsenal are.
The fact that we ever found ourselves with a shortlist of one potential manager is bad enough. That that one was Tim Fucking Sherwood is unforgiveable.
Players like Veretout are not the problem, they're really a sympton of the real problem - an ongoing total lack of awareness about where the club was going.
This this and this. The extent to which the club has been mismanaged over the last decade is almost impressive - it's like we set out to systematically let all developments on the sport fly past us, and when one (i.e. the new TV money) required merely staying in the same division we flopped right out of it.
We even managed to come runner-up in the cup final the year they took away the European spot.
We couldn't even lose properly.
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I honestly think a lot of our problems have been caused by failing to replace Petrov. Not just for what he did on the pitch, but off the pitch, too.
That and that ridiculously naive "just buy a load of lower division youngsters and, if you want it enough, and throw them in, they'll become good enough" strategy.
The real overriding problem is that since 2006 this club has been run by clueless halfwits. Yes, 2006-10 included some decent finishes, but even then it was all built on sand, by a spoilt man-baby who flounced off at the first whiff of it being hard work.
Lerner has done incredible damage to this club, and look at us now, playing in front of 30k in the second flight and not looking anything like getting out of it, when clubs we used to compete with such as Spurs and Everton are in a different stratosphere to us. Once Spurs get that 60k stadium built, they will be about as relevant to us as Arsenal are.
The fact that we ever found ourselves with a shortlist of one potential manager is bad enough. That that one was Tim Fucking Sherwood is unforgiveable.
Players like Veretout are not the problem, they're really a sympton of the real problem - an ongoing total lack of awareness about where the club was going.
Exactly,the problem I have is that I am not convinced that the lessons from the Lerner era have been learnt.
We still seem to be drifting along spending money on players with little thought to the future or consistent with any long team plan or discernible playing style.
Add to that the wasters that are still on the payroll and an inability to organize match tickets.
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What happened after MON is a matter of record, but the rot really set in with MON still here. He built a very competitive 1st team, which at worse, was 2 or 3 players off getting into the CL. Instead of buying those players, he ran out of ideas, and filled the squad with expensive reserves on massive wages who still didn't get a game. You only have to look at the fee's and wages for MFH, NRC, knight, Sidwell, Shorey, to name a few and just imagine if that money had been available for any striker other than Heskey
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I honestly think a lot of our problems have been caused by failing to replace Petrov. Not just for what he did on the pitch, but off the pitch, too.
That and that ridiculously naive "just buy a load of lower division youngsters and, if you want it enough, and throw them in, they'll become good enough" strategy.
The real overriding problem is that since 2006 this club has been run by clueless halfwits. Yes, 2006-10 included some decent finishes, but even then it was all built on sand, by a spoilt man-baby who flounced off at the first whiff of it being hard work.
Lerner has done incredible damage to this club, and look at us now, playing in front of 30k in the second flight and not looking anything like getting out of it, when clubs we used to compete with such as Spurs and Everton are in a different stratosphere to us. Once Spurs get that 60k stadium built, they will be about as relevant to us as Arsenal are.
The fact that we ever found ourselves with a shortlist of one potential manager is bad enough. That that one was Tim Fucking Sherwood is unforgiveable.
Players like Veretout are not the problem, they're really a sympton of the real problem - an ongoing total lack of awareness about where the club was going.
Exactly,the problem I have is that I am not convinced that the lessons from the Lerner era have been learnt.
We still seem to be drifting along spending money on players with little thought to the future or consistent with any long team plan or discernible playing style.
Add to that the wasters that are still on the payroll and an inability to organize match tickets.
The crime committed at Villa was the hacking away at our PL infrastructure for more than 6 years and finally relegating us with a skeleton of a club and one of the worst PL teams ever. Everything that is wrong with the club right now and why we continue to struggle can be solely blamed on the way this club was outrageously run from 2010 onwards. You don't just turn around a mess as big as this overnight.
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I honestly think a lot of our problems have been caused by failing to replace Petrov. Not just for what he did on the pitch, but off the pitch, too.
That and that ridiculously naive "just buy a load of lower division youngsters and, if you want it enough, and throw them in, they'll become good enough" strategy.
The real overriding problem is that since 2006 this club has been run by clueless halfwits. Yes, 2006-10 included some decent finishes, but even then it was all built on sand, by a spoilt man-baby who flounced off at the first whiff of it being hard work.
Lerner has done incredible damage to this club, and look at us now, playing in front of 30k in the second flight and not looking anything like getting out of it, when clubs we used to compete with such as Spurs and Everton are in a different stratosphere to us. Once Spurs get that 60k stadium built, they will be about as relevant to us as Arsenal are.
The fact that we ever found ourselves with a shortlist of one potential manager is bad enough. That that one was Tim Fucking Sherwood is unforgiveable.
Players like Veretout are not the problem, they're really a sympton of the real problem - an ongoing total lack of awareness about where the club was going.
Exactly,the problem I have is that I am not convinced that the lessons from the Lerner era have been learnt.
We still seem to be drifting along spending money on players with little thought to the future or consistent with any long team plan or discernible playing style.
Add to that the wasters that are still on the payroll and an inability to organize match tickets.
The crime committed at Villa was the hacking away at our PL infrastructure for more than 6 years and finally relegating us with a skeleton of a club and one of the worst PL teams ever. Everything that is wrong with the club right now and why we continue to struggle can be solely blamed on the way this club was outrageously run from 2010 onwards. You don't just turn around a mess as big as this overnight.
But you have to make a start, and I am not sure we have.
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It's a sign of hard times once again when every thread turns into the Villa mismanagement theme.
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What happened after MON is a matter of record, but the rot really set in with MON still here. He built a very competitive 1st team, which at worse, was 2 or 3 players off getting into the CL. Instead of buying those players, he ran out of ideas, and filled the squad with expensive reserves on massive wages who still didn't get a game. You only have to look at the fee's and wages for MFH, NRC, knight, Sidwell, Shorey, to name a few and just imagine if that money had been available for any striker other than Heskey
Aye, but a big striker -the kind who could have made a difference- will invariably have a big ego. And there was only room for one ego at Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa. Young, Milner, Downing et.c all good players, but never the sort who would have challenged pubehead.
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But we had Marlon Harewood :))))
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If it's a flat 4.5 that's terrible.
What has he done in a Villa shirt to warrant someone paying more ?
Answer = Fuck all
We got shafted on him, just as we did/will Amavi. All fart and no shit the pair of them
Just thought I'd resurrect this one I stumbled across
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Talk of him going to Juve. Let's hope so if we have a sell on fee.
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On what planet is he good enough to play for Juve. Utter shit. I hope they cough up for the useless turd and we recoup some more of te money we wasted on him.
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On what planet is he good enough to play for Juve. Utter shit. I hope they cough up for the useless turd and we recoup some more of te money we wasted on him.
I would bet Fiorentina and Juve's scouting and coaching system is a little better than Aston Villa under Tim and Tom. So the fact that he's improved to the point that the Italian champions are looking at him shows how much we fucked things up. In fact I wouldn't judge any of the non English players we bought based on their time with us. An utterly wasted opportunity.
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I've not exactly followed his career closely but most of the stuff I have seen seemed very positive about his performances for Fiorentina this season, and Saint-Etienne last.
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Always looked a decent prospect to me.
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Sherwood fucked this up by taking the piss out of his inability to speak English (rich coming from that ******) and not playing him enough.
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It's hard to overstate how humiliating all this is tbh. A midfield duo of him and Idrissa Gueye clearly would have no business finishing bottom of the league. What a fucking season that was, Jesus Christ.
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Sherwood fucked this up by taking the piss out of his inability to speak English (rich coming from that c***) and not playing him enough.
Veretout was a sulky bastard that refused to stick around when we got relegated and insisted on moving elsewhere. See Gana, see Gollini. I don't care how good a player is, they should be treating our club with respect. Bollocks to him.
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It's hard to overstate how humiliating all this is tbh. A midfield duo of him and Idrissa Gueye clearly would have no business finishing bottom of the league. What a fucking season that was, Jesus Christ.
I remain convinced that no matter what playing staff we had, we were doomed, thanks to the fucking omnishambles at seemingly every level of the club.
The Chairman, the CEO, the manager, the scouts, the coaches, not fucking one them up to the task.
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He was a decent player. That team were let down by no goals up top and a shambolic back 4,with a clown in goal.
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Sherwood fucked this up by taking the piss out of his inability to speak English (rich coming from that c***) and not playing him enough.
Veretout was a sulky bastard that refused to stick around when we got relegated and insisted on moving elsewhere. See Gana, see Gollini. I don't care how good a player is, they should be treating our club with respect. Bollocks to him.
When you moved to a new country when you were 22, with your new wife and sick child, when you were met by your fucking moron of a manager who would have been better off at his local Tesco Metro, how big was your grin and how was your chirpy, happy-go-lucky attitude?
No? You didn't do that?
Veretout's last couple, and next five or so years have been and are going to be a lot better than what he left behind. Best luck to him.
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Couldn't agree more Dave. So many players who have left Villa in the recent past and gone on to be much better players. Lowton, Hogg, Westwood, Gana, Veretout, Amavi, etc etc etc
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Couldn't agree more Dave. So many players who have left Villa in the recent past and gone on to be much better players. Lowton, Hogg, Westwood, Gana, Veretout, Amavi, etc etc etc
Westwood! Don't make me laugh.
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Couldn't agree more Dave. So many players who have left Villa in the recent past and gone on to be much better players. Lowton, Hogg, Westwood, Gana, Veretout, Amavi, etc etc etc
Westwood! Don't make me laugh.
7th with Burnley, in the Premier Division? I know where I'd rather be. I never like the guy as a footballer personally but he's playing in the Premier whilst we are watching Championship football.
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Couldn't agree more Dave. So many players who have left Villa in the recent past and gone on to be much better players. Lowton, Hogg, Westwood, Gana, Veretout, Amavi, etc etc etc
Westwood! Don't make me laugh.
7th with Burnley, in the Premier Division? I know where I'd rather be. I never like the guy as a footballer personally but he's playing in the Premier whilst we are watching Championship football.
I doubt Burnley signing Ashley Westwood has turned them into a top 7 team. Would you sign him back?
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The point is, he's doing well. Enough said.
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We couldn't afford him and he wouldn't leave Burnley to join us. Which is the really shit reality of things currently.
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Couldn't agree more Dave. So many players who have left Villa in the recent past and gone on to be much better players. Lowton, Hogg, Westwood, Gana, Veretout, Amavi, etc etc etc
Westwood! Don't make me laugh.
7th with Burnley, in the Premier Division? I know where I'd rather be. I never like the guy as a footballer personally but he's playing in the Premier whilst we are watching Championship football.
I doubt Burnley signing Ashley Westwood has turned them into a top 7 team. Would you sign him back?
Possibly he has purely by making competition for places much harder (but no)?
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The point is, he's doing well. Enough said.
Out of interest, were you gutted when we sold him for £5m?
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I wonder what the sell-on would be on Veretout.
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Excellent player. But he was French. What our club masterminds wanted was staunch, reliable Brits who would never let us down. Like Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor, Ireland, Elphick and if we are to have foreigners they have to be really good, really committed like N'Zogbia and Tonev.
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Excellent player. But he was French. What our club masterminds wanted was staunch, reliable Brits who would never let us down. Like Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor, Ireland, Elphick and if we are to have foreigners they have to be really good, really committed like N'Zogbia and Tonev.
That’s what Sherwood and his twat staff wanted. There was clearly a design that off season to go after precisely the opposite. Like the scouting and player recruitment side never once talked to the coaching staff. And as much as that seems a good thing given what Sherwood wanted, then why have him as manager at all? Get someone in who can make best use of the foreign lads we bought. Well trodden ground but example 13829922 of everything that was wrong at the club.
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The point is, he's doing well. Enough said.
Out of interest, were you gutted when we sold him for £5m?
Westwood is shit. £5m was absolutely stunning. I seriously questioned what the hell Dyche was thinking. And yet, my point is clear, he's in the Premier League and has left us behind. Does that answer your question?
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*Ireland is Irish, clue is in the name ;)
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The point is, he's doing well. Enough said.
Out of interest, were you gutted when we sold him for £5m?
Westwood is shit. £5m was absolutely stunning. I seriously questioned what the hell Dyche was thinking. And yet, my point is clear, he's in the Premier League and has left us behind. Does that answer your question?
Yeah, he's doing well and it's turned into a good move for him. You thought he was shit and we got good money for him. In which case, why mention him?
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Couldn't agree more Dave. So many players who have left Villa in the recent past and gone on to be much better players. Lowton, Hogg, Westwood, Gana, Veretout, Amavi, etc etc etc
Westwood! Don't make me laugh.
7th with Burnley, in the Premier Division? I know where I'd rather be. I never like the guy as a footballer personally but he's playing in the Premier whilst we are watching Championship football.
yes but he aint a better player .. agree with the others
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Elphick was signed under RDM and Xia.
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The point is, he's doing well. Enough said.
Out of interest, were you gutted when we sold him for £5m?
You seem to be spectacularly missing the point.
Based on what we saw of them, people might have been happy to take £2m for Crouch. Or see the back of Joe Bennett for free. Or a million for Barry Bannan.
I reckon that there aren't many players of the last six years or so who wouldn't have performed a lot better under better circumstances.
Proven by the fact that lots of them have, and still are performing a lot better under better circumstances.
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Sods law if it takes off for a player at one club and not another. I was always convinced Cahill was far better than what we had, and wasn't surprised when he proved it. On the other hand Albrighton was terrible for so long, what do you do? Keep him till he's 30 in case he finds his form again or a new manager can get a tune out of him? Vertout won't be the last player to go onto better things, but i'm not convinced he'd be a star if we'd kept him.
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The point is, he's doing well. Enough said.
Out of interest, were you gutted when we sold him for £5m?
You seem to be spectacularly missing the point.
Based on what we saw of them, people might have been happy to take £2m for Crouch. Or see the back of Joe Bennett for free. Or a million for Barry Bannan.
I reckon that there aren't many players of the last six years or so who wouldn't have performed a lot better under better circumstances.
Proven by the fact that lots of them have, and still are performing a lot better under better circumstances.
Maybe but it does seem to come across as just mentioning his name again because we haven't gone up and Newby said himself he was shit. Not many people had too much time for Joe Bennett either. Just because he's gone up with Cardiff doesn't make him a better player. They were both ok, no more than that.
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Apologies. Stephen Ireland of course is Irish. Inexcusable of me not to use the definition British and Irish Anglo Saxons. Tired writing.
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I thought Veratout was technically decent, good vision but far too slow and physically weak at that point. No problems at all with selling him for £5m, we can’t wait forever for players to prove themselves
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Apologies. Stephen Ireland of course is Irish. Inexcusable of me not to use the definition British and Irish Anglo Saxons. Tired writing.
Are you a friend of Nigel's?
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I should also add that I know the signing of Elphick post dated the francophobe spasm that shook the club at the end of Lerner's ownership but I think the policy of signing home grown journeyman players still went on into the post relegation period.
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On what planet is he good enough to play for Juve. Utter shit. I hope they cough up for the useless turd and we recoup some more of te money we wasted on him.
I would bet Fiorentina and Juve's scouting and coaching system is a little better than Aston Villa under Tim and Tom. So the fact that he's improved to the point that the Italian champions are looking at him shows how much we fucked things up. In fact I wouldn't judge any of the non English players we bought based on their time with us. An utterly wasted opportunity.
Ayew is still pants
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On what planet is he good enough to play for Juve. Utter shit. I hope they cough up for the useless turd and we recoup some more of te money we wasted on him.
I would bet Fiorentina and Juve's scouting and coaching system is a little better than Aston Villa under Tim and Tom. So the fact that he's improved to the point that the Italian champions are looking at him shows how much we fucked things up. In fact I wouldn't judge any of the non English players we bought based on their time with us. An utterly wasted opportunity.
Ayew is still pants
no he's not
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Oh yes he is!
Oh no he's not!
He's behind you!
Oh fuck
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Ayew flatters to deceive imo, it's why he still hasn't reached 20 league goals in England after 3 years here.
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On what planet is he good enough to play for Juve. Utter shit. I hope they cough up for the useless turd and we recoup some more of te money we wasted on him.
I would bet Fiorentina and Juve's scouting and coaching system is a little better than Aston Villa under Tim and Tom. So the fact that he's improved to the point that the Italian champions are looking at him shows how much we fucked things up. In fact I wouldn't judge any of the non English players we bought based on their time with us. An utterly wasted opportunity.
Ayew is still pants
no he's not
His record for us and Swansea would suggest otherwise. No discipline, sulky and a poor goal scoring record
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Ayew flatters to deceive imo, it's why he still hasn't reached 20 league goals in England after 3 years here.
Now he's guaranteed to score against us this season! Bet he'll mope his way through the celebration
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The point is - I think, or the one I'm going to make anyway - is that the club have been spectacularly bad at improving players; whether that's day to day coaching, signing players to fit a particular style or developing a cultural identity. None of it has been co-ordinated with an identifiable thread/dna in mind.
...so whilst some good players have failed the blame should not solely be with the individuals but also apportioned to the club. At least now we talk about a Villa Engine which implies that they acknowledge the void exists and hopefully they're building something tangible in the background. The next manager should be chosen on how closely he fits the Villa Engine.
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Ayew flatters to deceive imo, it's why he still hasn't reached 20 league goals in England after 3 years here.
Now he's guaranteed to score against us this season! Bet he'll mope his way through the celebration
Apparently he might be off to Celtic, so maybe not. On both counts.
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Spot on summary Dante
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Veretout has infinitely more ability than Conor Hourihane has. Don’t @ me
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we're all missing the one salient point though - the sulky french bastard didn't want to play for us. So any argument about his ability or non ability is pointless.
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He could have gone to Leicester.
Sorry Jordan, send the speed boat back, but at least you've got your bus fare home.
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One of Lambert's many failures was not being able to improve players. With the exception of Benteke none of his signing improved during their time with us. That said none of them play (succesful) key roles in the teams they have signed for.
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we're all missing the one salient point though - the sulky french bastard didn't want to play for us. So any argument about his ability or non ability is pointless.
He didn't want to play for us from the moment he signed? I WONDER WHO THAT COULD HAVE HAD TO DO WITH.
Seriously, it's been a while now, can we pleeease just acknowledge that Tim Sherwood is the worst manager of all time and his complete failure to prepare with players who are now doing well elsewhere is *his fault* and not theirs?
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Garde was worse. Not that it matters now.
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Garde was emotionally fragile, which is weird for a manager, but I don't think we'd have started that season as horribly undercooked as we did with him, or actually with anyone else, like we did with Sherwood. All gab, no competence, no ideas, no preparation, no training, no nothing, putting others down to preserve his ego at the expense of his own performance. The Donald Trump of managers.
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Was sceptical but he had a really good season for Fiorentina in the end, scored a fantastic hat-trick v Lazio in the run in so dosen't shock me bigger european clubs are looking at him.
I would say I thought he was a bit lightweight for English football as he was knocked off the ball a lot when he played in the middle. Think in a slower league with more time on the ball he's more effective.
We didn't neccesarily sign terrible players in 2015. Amavi, Ayew, Gana and Veretout all decent enough and ironically Tim's picks were the poor ones (Lescott, Richards and Gestede).
Losing all of Vlaar, Delph and Benteke all in one go was the problem. Losing proven premier league quality and experience. Keep those three for another year and add the four french league imports and that would've been a decent looking line up, good enough for mid table I reckon.
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Garde was emotionally fragile, which is weird for a manager, but I don't think we'd have started that season as horribly undercooked as we did with him, or actually with anyone else, like we did with Sherwood. All gab, no competence, no ideas, no preparation, no training, no nothing, putting others down to preserve his ego at the expense of his own performance. The Donald Trump of managers.
Our start was o.k from memory. Hard fought win at a newly promoted club which isn't easy (and Bournemouth stayed up comfortably their first season up) lost at home to Man. United narrowly (a game we never win), played well at Palace for most of the game and lost late on to a stupid Guzan/Amavi combination f*** up. Sunderland game should've been 5-2 instead of 2-2 aswell.
Roll into September and we were 2 up after a hour away to the future premier league champions playing great.
For a team with a shambolic pre season and losing our three experienced players I wouldn't say we looked certain relegation candidates in the early weeks. Of course after Leicester we just collapsed and Sherwood lost it and had no answer to change things, was similar effect to when we lost 6-1 at Southampton.
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we're all missing the one salient point though - the sulky french bastard didn't want to play for us. So any argument about his ability or non ability is pointless.
I don't think we are, we just have a different opinion. If the club was a more conducive place for young foreign players then the sulking may not have happened. It's a 'chicken and egg' situation at worse, or imo, more likely any sulking was a pretty understandable response.
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- the sulky french bastard didn't want to play for us. So any argument about his ability or non ability is pointless.
What has his nationality got to do with it?
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er because he's french? And my point was that as soon as we were relegated he sulked his way out of VP. Spineless wankpot.
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Would you have called him a sulky Pakistani bastard, had he been from Islamabad? Or a sulky Irish bastard from Limerick?
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Remi Garde had an exemplary record with Lyon keeping them in the top flight in Ligue Un while the club teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. We gave him a handful of games with a poisonous squad and no money. His only chance of a strengthening signing was sabotaged by the morally bankrupt Sunderland executive. Now Garde is considered on his eye blink period with us as the worst manager we have had during the period of our post MON decline.
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Would you have called him a sulky Pakistani bastard, had he been from Islamabad? Or a sulky Irish bastard from Limerick?
Yes indeed.
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Perhaps because it is on the record that Sherwood did not speak to Jordan Veretout for three months that the Frenchman's attitude was not pussy cat friendly at work.
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And that the non French players organised a Christmas party to which none of the French players was invited. Then proceeded to make the infamous Secret Santa video the club proudly displayed on the screens at VP. Yeah those cheese eating surrender monkeys were a sulky bunch of bastards.
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What better example of the fuck wittery of Randy Lerner than the fact that, needing a new manager, our CEO had 'a shortlist of one', which he was prepared to say publicly, and the one name on that shortlist was 'Tim Sherwood'.
It's hard to underestimate the damage Lerner did to this club.
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Remi Garde had an exemplary record with Lyon keeping them in the top flight in Ligue Un while the club teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. We gave him a handful of games with a poisonous squad and no money. His only chance of a strengthening signing was sabotaged by the morally bankrupt Sunderland executive. Now Garde is considered on his eye blink period with us as the worst manager we have had during the period of our post MON decline.
Well said Brian. I can't for the life of me understand why Garde gets such a slagging from some fans, he really never had a chance and just didn't realise that he was being handed the most poisonous of poisoned chalices.
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Remi Garde had an exemplary record with Lyon keeping them in the top flight in Ligue Un while the club teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. We gave him a handful of games with a poisonous squad and no money. His only chance of a strengthening signing was sabotaged by the morally bankrupt Sunderland executive. Now Garde is considered on his eye blink period with us as the worst manager we have had during the period of our post MON decline.
Well said Brian. I can't for the life of me understand why Garde gets such a slagging from some fans, he really never had a chance and just didn't realise that he was being handed the most poisonous of poisoned chalices.
He realised it in the end. In his own words, "it was a trap".
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Remi Garde had an exemplary record with Lyon keeping them in the top flight in Ligue Un while the club teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. We gave him a handful of games with a poisonous squad and no money. His only chance of a strengthening signing was sabotaged by the morally bankrupt Sunderland executive. Now Garde is considered on his eye blink period with us as the worst manager we have had during the period of our post MON decline.
Well said Brian. I can't for the life of me understand why Garde gets such a slagging from some fans, he really never had a chance and just didn't realise that he was being handed the most poisonous of poisoned chalices.
Dunno about that. The point of a poisoned chalice is that it looks attractive until you realise what is contained within it.
Garde was just handed a big bottle of poison with "poison" scrawled on it by Sherwood and Fox. Probably in green crayon.
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Garde also didn't help matters in how he handled the situation. No doubt he had a mammoth task dealing with a dressing room full of cocks, but he also played a part in how it all transpired. Not saying it was an easy task but then that's the job he took on.
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I was disappointed at the time when Grade left as I wanted him to see that season through come what may, clear out the rubbish and start afresh, playing attractive football and building a club from the bottom up even if that meant getting relegated, which was happening pretty much whoever got the gig.
I saw it as almost as the relegation we had to have in order to be a catalyst for the changes required. I really didn't blame him for leaving though, he was treated appallingly by those complete muppets that ran the place at the time. It was the most embarrassing time I've ever felt supporting us on and off the pitch.
Maybe if we'd have kept him we wouldn't still be in this situation now. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be any worse off.
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What better example of the fuck wittery of Randy Lerner than the fact that, needing a new manager, our CEO had 'a shortlist of one', which he was prepared to say publicly, and the one name on that shortlist was 'Tim Sherwood'.
It's hard to underestimate the damage Lerner did to this club.
Yes it was completely unbelievable and a dereliction of duty. Lerner, Fox, Sherwood, Lambert, Gabby, Ireland, Lescott, Richards, Reilly etc. It beggers belief that number of dumb, lazy cretins we had to put up with.
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Setting aside of course the astronomical amount of money we paid to the instigator of the short list of one and who the one was.
In terms of mindless self inflicted damage to the club it was on a par with Lerner's other master stroke of jumping in his jet to fly to Corsica to beg TSM1 the serial relegator to work his magic on us.
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Good posts, Brian.
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Garde also didn't help matters in how he handled the situation. No doubt he had a mammoth task dealing with a dressing room full of cocks, but he also played a part in how it all transpired. Not saying it was an easy task but then that's the job he took on.
Agreed. Whatever the hand he was deal (and yeah it was shit) he couldn't possibly have done any worse with it if he tried. And probably pocketed a million quid or so for doing so.
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Garde also didn't help matters in how he handled the situation. No doubt he had a mammoth task dealing with a dressing room full of cocks, but he also played a part in how it all transpired. Not saying it was an easy task but then that's the job he took on.
Agreed. Whatever the hand he was deal (and yeah it was shit) he couldn't possibly have done any worse with it if he tried. And probably pocketed a million quid or so for doing so.
Around about Xmas time he started to get something out of the team. I am not saying he would have kept us up but the transfer window did for him.
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By the time the transfer window opened we had 8 points from 20 games (3 points from 9 games under Garde), we were already gone. Garde was dealt a tough hand but ultimately he was as crap for us as Sherwood and Black were that season.
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At moment Garde isn't covering himself in glory in the MLS with Montreal , think is 9 loss's from 10 games currently
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At moment Garde isn't covering himself in glory in the MLS with Montreal , think is 9 loss's from 10 games currently
didn't even know he was there
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At moment Garde isn't covering himself in glory in the MLS with Montreal , think is 9 loss's from 10 games currently
didn't even know he was there
At this rate he won't be there long :)
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At moment Garde isn't covering himself in glory in the MLS with Montreal , think is 9 loss's from 10 games currently
And whilst I have now come round to the 'time for a change' position, it is exactly this type of record that worries me when people say lets just find the next Wagner. And whilst I now want him gone, I still think Bruce was a sensible choice to turn us round at that moment in time. OK, not quite worked out how we may have wanted, but a Garde would probably have seen us relegated.
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At moment Garde isn't covering himself in glory in the MLS with Montreal , think is 9 loss's from 10 games currently
He's improved since he's been at the Villa then.
Dire appointment.
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Remi Garde had an exemplary record with Lyon keeping them in the top flight in Ligue Un while the club teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. We gave him a handful of games with a poisonous squad and no money. His only chance of a strengthening signing was sabotaged by the morally bankrupt Sunderland executive. Now Garde is considered on his eye blink period with us as the worst manager we have had during the period of our post MON decline.
Dare I say it we could do worse than him now.
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Garde gave up. That's cowardice of the rankest order. I don't care how bad you think your hand is, you cannot as a manger give up.
Awful manager and no amount of attempts to contextualise or excuse making can alter that.
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Garde gave up. That's cowardice of the rankest order. I don't care how bad you think your hand is, you cannot as a manger give up.
Awful manager and no amount of attempts to contextualise or excuse making can alter that.
I think Lambert was the same and they both just waited for a nice pay off to bugger off
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I'm not sure if Lambert gave up, he was just utterly clueless.
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I see, a coward who was given a snake pit dressing room, a star chamber boardroom, an idiot owner, no money and no time. Any man worthy of the name would have walked away from that.
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The Lerner legacy still reverberates...
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Garde was garbage. 2nd game in, humped 4-0 at Goodison. It set a tone. You can make every excuse for him you like, he was garbage. Under better circumstances he would still have been garbage.
I feel no sympthaty for him in retrospect and his feeble surrender to the situation was cowardice.
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Garde was garbage. 2nd game in, humped 4-0 at Goodison. It set a tone. You can make every excuse for him you like, he was garbage. Under better circumstances he would still have been garbage.
I feel no sympthaty for him in retrospect and his feeble surrender to the situation was cowardice.
Except that under better circumstances (at Lyon) he proved that he's a long way from garbage. It was the club that feebly surrendered, waving a white flag instead of a cheque book in the January transfer window. I recall Garde being frustrated and increasingly exasperated but I can't remember feeling that he'd given up. I could criticise a lot that he did (or failed to do) but I don't see him as a coward at all.
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Or maybe he's one of those managers where it goes well at one club and nowhere else.
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He didn't care in the end. You never let the bastards win. You go out on your feet, never your arse. I despise that sort of supine behaviour and he exhibited it.
The misty eyed nostalgia that's developing for an abject failure is beyond me.
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As has already been said, Garde is doing very badly at Montreal, where he has had an increased budget from his previous incumbent, and he's getting a lot of stick there. When things are going wrong, he is not the person to turn things around and was a bad choice in our predicament.
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The misty eyed nostalgia that's developing for an abject failure is beyond me.
Agree, Bruce out.
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No one's being nostalgic - misty-eyed or otherwise - for that period in our history, Ads. They're just disagreeing with you.
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Nah it's more than that. Oh well. I guess how shite he was in the pantheon of cock tips who've managed us this past decade isn't wholly relevant.
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20m bid for Veretout. Completely predictable that he would go on to do well and so frustrating we couldn't get a tune out of him.
https://www.violanation.com/fiorentina-transfer-rumors-news-reports/2018/6/3/17422562/fiorentina-reject-20-million-jordan-veretout-bid-from-marseille-transfer-buy-sell
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What's our sell on?
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When you read this and the talk of Traore going for huge sums the mid really does begin to boggle
Both looked a waste of space and like they couldn't give two fucks here. But if both have healthy sell on clauses then bravo to whoever sorted that.
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Traore in his two games against us recently was very ordinary.
The league games he had that insane sprint back but that was about it, save being sent off.
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Traore looked like the Traore we are all familiar with.
Run really fast, in a straight line, run out of pitch, put shite ball into box. Repeat.
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Somewhere else has the clause at 20%. If he's going for north of £20 million that will be over 10% FFP recouped from an unexpected sauce.
Hopefully Traore takes his circus act else where and we can benefit from that too.
Getting £10m from Westwood, Veretout and Traore would be excellent and they'll prove of more use now than they ever did while here.
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Traore looked like the Traore we are all familiar with.
Run really fast, in a straight line, run out of pitch, put shite ball into box. Repeat.
Sssh, don't be putting off these mega bids. These sell-ons are going to save our club.
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Traore looked like the Traore we are all familiar with.
Run really fast, in a straight line, run out of pitch, put shite ball into box. Repeat.
He's like watching video of Zog on fast-forward
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Traore looked like the Traore we are all familiar with.
Run really fast, in a straight line, run out of pitch, put shite ball into box. Repeat.
I think it's 'easy' for a player to not look anything special when a team can man mark him and get 1-2 other players close as well, so his space is always limited. Put him in a team where he isn't the only threat and he'd be much more dangerous. His record this season is very good so he's clearly improved since he was with us (which was always going to happen).
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He doesn't play with his brain, though, Traoré. He looks like a Labrador bounding after a squirrel.
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Traore looked like the Traore we are all familiar with.
Run really fast, in a straight line, run out of pitch, put shite ball into box. Repeat.
I thought he began to look dangerous towards the end of the first half of the 2nd leg. He was out on the right wing and went past Hutton a few times and the Scottish Cafu got booked for fouling him. He drifted out of the game in the second half and rarely looked a threat.
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When you read this and the talk of Traore going for huge sums the mid really does begin to boggle
Both looked a waste of space and like they couldn't give two fucks here. But if both have healthy sell on clauses then bravo to whoever sorted that.
Gueye was worth more than the £8mil we got for him also , on the whole I don't think them 3 and Amavi were bad buys we just brought too many of them at same time new to league and Sherwood didn't know how to use them and his own buys where Garbage
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I guess it's common to judge a player based on how they play against us (I'm not sure how much other Ch'ship football you guys watch, personally I'm not too arsed) in which case Fulham must think all our players are crap. But if there is interest in Traore it clearly means he must have had a good season and can still get better.
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When you read this and the talk of Traore going for huge sums the mid really does begin to boggle
Both looked a waste of space and like they couldn't give two fucks here. But if both have healthy sell on clauses then bravo to whoever sorted that.
Gueye was worth more than the £8mil we got for him also , on the whole I don't think them 3 and Amavi were bad buys we just brought too many of them at same time new to league and Sherwood didn't know how to use them and his own buys where Garbage
”His own buys were Gestede”
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When you read this and the talk of Traore going for huge sums the mid really does begin to boggle
Both looked a waste of space and like they couldn't give two fucks here. But if both have healthy sell on clauses then bravo to whoever sorted that.
Gueye was worth more than the £8mil we got for him also , on the whole I don't think them 3 and Amavi were bad buys we just brought too many of them at same time new to league and Sherwood didn't know how to use them and his own buys where Garbage
”His own buys were Gestede”
Lescott? And lets not forget he wanted Adebayor
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When you read this and the talk of Traore going for huge sums the mid really does begin to boggle
Both looked a waste of space and like they couldn't give two fucks here. But if both have healthy sell on clauses then bravo to whoever sorted that.
Gueye was worth more than the £8mil we got for him also , on the whole I don't think them 3 and Amavi were bad buys we just brought too many of them at same time new to league and Sherwood didn't know how to use them and his own buys where Garbage
”His own buys were Gestede”
Lescott? And lets not forget he wanted Adebayor
I know, Chris; I was just playing with David’s words.
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Traore looked like the Traore we are all familiar with.
Run really fast, in a straight line, run out of pitch, put shite ball into box. Repeat.
He's like watching video of Zog on fast-forward
Zog reminded me of that scene in Forest Gump when in that college game he keeps running through the tunnel at the back of the end zone. If there was a tunnel at the back of North or Holte Zog would still be in there.
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Jordan Veretout is in the latest 23-man France squad.
As a post-scriptum Olivier Giroud is not.
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Good on the lad.
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Tim Sherwood and Remi Garde really were absolutely useless tossers.
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Let’s not forget Eric “ I have 40 years experience in football” Black
There were so many that season that should be ashamed of the way they performed!!
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Tim Sherwood and Remi Garde really were absolutely useless tossers.
still are
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Is that the Remi Garde who inherited the snake pit dressing room, was given a hundred or so days and was not allowed to spend any money whatsoever on players before being ignominiously sacked by a caretaker board and has never spoken a bad word about the club except "I came in a taxi. I should have come in an ambulance"?
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Is that the Remi Garde who inherited the snake pit dressing room, was given a hundred or so days and was not allowed to spend any money whatsoever on players before being ignominiously sacked by a caretaker board and has never spoken a bad word about the club except "I came in a taxi. I should have come in an ambulance"?
yes that’s him Brian, I don’t understand why he gets abuse either.
The Villa job was a hospital pass, so the ambulance quote is very apt.
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Is that the Remi Garde who inherited the snake pit dressing room, was given a hundred or so days and was not allowed to spend any money whatsoever on players before being ignominiously sacked by a caretaker board and has never spoken a bad word about the club except "I came in a taxi. I should have come in an ambulance"?
Applauds. If ever there was a case of wrong manager, wrong time etc that was it. He should never have taken the job, the club had become a total laughing stock, the dressing room was totally toxic and the white flag of surrender was raised by the board that January Transfer window. It was so bad after that winter in the spring I just stopped going, an appalling catastrofuck of an omnishambles.
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Is that the Remi Garde who inherited the snake pit dressing room, was given a hundred or so days and was not allowed to spend any money whatsoever on players before being ignominiously sacked by a caretaker board and has never spoken a bad word about the club except "I came in a taxi. I should have come in an ambulance"?
yes that’s him Brian, I don’t understand why he gets abuse either.
The Villa job was a hospital pass, so the ambulance quote is very apt.
Because he was a rubbish manager? It isn't personal. It doesn't mean he wasn't rubbish. He was as guilty as Sherwood of picking jobbing English "footballers" over actually talented players from abroad.
There's a reason why his only job since was managing (and being sacked by) Montreal Impact.
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Is that the Remi Garde who inherited the snake pit dressing room, was given a hundred or so days and was not allowed to spend any money whatsoever on players before being ignominiously sacked by a caretaker board and has never spoken a bad word about the club except "I came in a taxi. I should have come in an ambulance"?
yes that’s him Brian, I don’t understand why he gets abuse either.
The Villa job was a hospital pass, so the ambulance quote is very apt.
He doesn't really get abuse does he? People say he did a terrible job, because he did a terrible job.
He was dealt the worst hand imaginable. But he still went on to play that hand very badly.
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He just couldn't organise a football team - that's not abuse - that's fact.
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Yeah Garde was a good coach who became a manager by being an insider at Lyon, the only environment that would really suit him. It didn't have to go downhill for him as spectacularly as it did though, but it seems that the sheer extent of how out of his depth he was at our mega-disaster traumatised him a bit. Certainly inadequate.
I don't blame him as much as Sherwood though, a genuinely lazy, negligent, idiotic, ignorant, and (from reports) borderline xenophobic twat who was, as far as I'm concerned, the author of that season because of his horrible pre-season.
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Yes, I blame Sherwood more. He created most of the problems that season (with help from an incompetent and disinterested owner) Garde merely did nothing to remove them.
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The worst thing is that of course Lerner is the primary culprit, but we now know that a decent manager would have actually had some talent to work with there. Therefore the manager who prepared such a spectacular disaster gets special blame.
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I felt sorry for Remi Garde. Came into a very toxic atmosphere and got not help from his senior players.
As for Vertout, Gana, Amavi etc we had some very good players good players there but at completely the wrong time. What a fucking shambles of a club we were, to see how well some of these players we signed have done. It is so frustrating, we could have kept these players and built a great team.
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Anyway, it didn't work out for us but Veretout has proven his quality and now has his chance with Les Bleus. Fair play Jordan !
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I felt sorry for Remi Garde. Came into a very toxic atmosphere and got not help from his senior players.
As for Vertout, Gana, Amavi etc we had some very good players good players there but at completely the wrong time. What a fucking shambles of a club we were, to see how well some of these players we signed have done. It is so frustrating, we could have kept these players and built a great team.
Many of them would've done well under DS management imo so yeah signed them at completely wrong time.
Veretout similar style to Luiz and could certainly do with a Gana type now sticking his foot in to win the ball at DM.
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Think the only thing with Garde is more than 5 years on he hasn't exactly proven many wrong like other managers who've failed at one club and then gone on to do very good jobs elsewhere.
Don't think he's managed anyone else in France since and he was briefly working in MLS so guess we broke him a bit.
I agree we gave him a hospital pass especially in that January window when we didn't sign anyone but he still put some very odd teams out and didn't rate Grealish or Adama very much. At least playing those two regularly would've provided a bit more excitement even if we'd still gone down comfortably.
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Tim Sherwood and Remi Garde really were absolutely useless tossers.
They had a lot of the right pieces to finish the Jigsaw that they didn't have.
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I thought Garde was very much the Admiral Donitz of the club taking over at that point. The momentum was out of control, effectively, and working with that awful squad and the useless twat who owned the club at the time, we were practically dead and buried.
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I felt sorry for Remi Garde. Came into a very toxic atmosphere and got not help from his senior players.
As for Vertout, Gana, Amavi etc we had some very good players good players there but at completely the wrong time. What a fucking shambles of a club we were, to see how well some of these players we signed have done. It is so frustrating, we could have kept these players and built a great team.
Many of them would've done well under DS management imo so yeah signed them at completely wrong time.
Veretout similar style to Luiz and could certainly do with a Gana type now sticking his foot in to win the ball at DM.
Can't agree with that assessment of Veretout, a much more attacking player than Doug, has made something of a speciality of late runs into the box.
Agree with PW on Garde as Admiral Dönitz (which happily also reminds me of that sketch from Mitchell and Webb), though it was obviously compounded by the fact that he really isn't up to being a manager in general. What a shambles we were as a club though.
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I felt sorry for Remi Garde. Came into a very toxic atmosphere and got not help from his senior players.
As for Vertout, Gana, Amavi etc we had some very good players good players there but at completely the wrong time. What a fucking shambles of a club we were, to see how well some of these players we signed have done. It is so frustrating, we could have kept these players and built a great team.
Many of them would've done well under DS management imo so yeah signed them at completely wrong time.
Veretout similar style to Luiz and could certainly do with a Gana type now sticking his foot in to win the ball at DM.
Can't agree with that assessment of Veretout, a much more attacking player than Doug, has made something of a speciality of late runs into the box.
Agree with PW on Garde as Admiral Dönitz (which happily also reminds me of that sketch from Mitchell and Webb), though it was obviously compounded by the fact that he really isn't up to being a manager in general. What a shambles we were as a club though.
Yeah he's box to box but then so was Luiz when he turned up and we converted him into more deep lying midfielder.
We know Dean loves his tempo midfielders so think he'd have liked Veretout and his quality and perhaps moulded him like Romaine Sawyers a few years back.
Big issue I had was I thought he was a bit too lightweight for prem and knocked off the ball too easily so think he made good decision to go to Italy which suits his style a bit more.
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I felt sorry for Remi Garde. Came into a very toxic atmosphere and got not help from his senior players.
As for Vertout, Gana, Amavi etc we had some very good players good players there but at completely the wrong time. What a fucking shambles of a club we were, to see how well some of these players we signed have done. It is so frustrating, we could have kept these players and built a great team.
Many of them would've done well under DS management imo so yeah signed them at completely wrong time.
Veretout similar style to Luiz and could certainly do with a Gana type now sticking his foot in to win the ball at DM.
Can't agree with that assessment of Veretout, a much more attacking player than Doug, has made something of a speciality of late runs into the box.
Yup, if he's comparable to anyone we currently have it would be McGinn.
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I thought Garde was very much the Admiral Donitz of the club taking over at that point. The momentum was out of control, effectively, and working with that awful squad and the useless twat who owned the club at the time, we were practically dead and buried.
Probably the most obscure Godwinisation of a H&V thread :)
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I thought Garde was very much the Admiral Donitz of the club taking over at that point. The momentum was out of control, effectively, and working with that awful squad and the useless twat who owned the club at the time, we were practically dead and buried.
Probably the most obscure Godwinisation of a H&V thread :)
We really needed a Speer to get the best out of our limited resources.
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I thought Garde was very much the Admiral Donitz of the club taking over at that point. The momentum was out of control, effectively, and working with that awful squad and the useless twat who owned the club at the time, we were practically dead and buried.
Probably the most obscure Godwinisation of a H&V thread :)
We really needed a Speer to get the best out of our limited resources.
And a quality Streicher to replace Benteke.
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I thought Garde was very much the Admiral Donitz of the club taking over at that point. The momentum was out of control, effectively, and working with that awful squad and the useless twat who owned the club at the time, we were practically dead and buried.
Thinking about it, Sherwood was even less of a manager than McLeish. One season at spurs, one season with us and unemployed ever since.
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I thought Garde was very much the Admiral Donitz of the club taking over at that point. The momentum was out of control, effectively, and working with that awful squad and the useless twat who owned the club at the time, we were practically dead and buried.
Thinking about it, Sherwood was even less of a manager than McLeish. One season at spurs, one season with us and unemployed ever since.
He did a great job as DoF at Swindon for a few weeks not that long before they went bankrupt.
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I thought Garde was very much the Admiral Donitz of the club taking over at that point. The momentum was out of control, effectively, and working with that awful squad and the useless twat who owned the club at the time, we were practically dead and buried.
Thinking about it, Sherwood was even less of a manager than McLeish. One season at spurs, one season with us and unemployed ever since.
He did a great job as DoF at Swindon for a few weeks not that long before they went bankrupt.
Remi Garde never stood a chance that season. Even SGT would have struggled if he had taken over in similar circumstances. SGT had the fresh start and close season he needed in the 1987/1988 season but I doubt even he would have kept us up if he had taken over halfway through that relegation season.