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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TimTheVillain on July 17, 2015, 01:21:07 PM
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The world isn't about to end folks !
£32.5m in the bank.
I'd go for Patrick Bamford ( maybe on loan) and Charlie Austin.
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No £30m striker is coming here. I'd go for a proven player plus a potential star if we can get them. I don't watch as much foreign footy as I used to but to me the obvious contenders are below, some of which are ambitious:
Batshuayi, martial, embolo, Bamford, afobe,
Austin, adebayor,
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Minus the fee to Genk.
I like Bamford, but would prefer Remy, then Austin.
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I think I'd go for someone young with lots of potential for now because if we plan to keep Kozak and Gabby we need to trust them both to be good enough and if that's the case they should be fine for the experienced options so we need to look for people who will overtake them in a year or 2.
I understand that some will say it's a big gamble (and it is) but what role do they have if we sign an experienced striker for now and a youngster, injury cover and the odd sub appearance, will that work?
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Wilfred Bony M or Loic Remy
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Thing is, we need to replace Weimann too ...
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as long as it's not Adebayor, Grant Holt, Mad Mario, Ricky Lambert et al I don't really mind; really enthusiastic by the links to Embollo, Ayew, and Martial etc.
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I'd really like to see Bamford play here, particularly being supplied by Grealish/Gil et al. Austin wouldn't be too bad at all as long as he's sub £12m and we'll have the rest of the money to spend on others, including Amavi, and maybe another CM.
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Thing is, we need to replace Weimann too ...
Maybe TS sees Robinson and Green as the hopefuls in that role.
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I'd take bony
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absolutely but why would city sell and could we afford his now astronomical wages?
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I would love to see Charlie Austin at Villa.
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WE need help delf having a medical at man £ity :-(
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absolutely but why would city sell and could we afford his now astronomical wages?
Maybe we are doing a swap with Delph? ;)
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TS now has to prove him (and possibly Benteke) wrong by getting this club back into contention for something more than relegation.
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Can't see us getting someone as good, so maybe a couple of good strikers will do the trick. I think Austin has shown me enough to suggest that he is the real deal and is someone we could attract and Remy sounded like another good shout but the wages might be a bit high. If not how's about a classic Spurs pairing of Lineker and Klinsmann? 8)
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Destro would be better than all the in-house British options.
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Destro would be better than all the in-house British options.
I don't know him. Don't suppose his second name is "yallrobots"?
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Even if we do not really want him put in a low bid for Saido Berahino just to upset WBA and really pee off their obnoxious fans.
Need some fun after today's turn of events, including the England test teams non-performance.
Hell we need a dirty tricks department trained in the black arts to get some pay back!! :)
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I would love to see Charlie Austin at Villa.
I went off him when we were linked with him previously, whilst he was at Burnley, because he punched someone in a nightclub. He sounds like a bit of a tw*t to me.
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I would love to see Charlie Austin at Villa.
I went off him when we were linked with him previously, whilst he was at Burnley, because he punched someone in a nightclub. He sounds like a bit of a tw*t to me.
Probably two sides to that story
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Not as a replacement for Benteke but maybe for Weimann would be Gestede from Blackburn. Always thought he was a good player
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Remy & Lambert would be a decent start.
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I wouldn't be too impressed with Lambert and I wouldn't want to deal with them quite frankly after the way they've acted.
Remy's got the talent but I worry about his attitude. He would likely look down his nose at us and think we're not good enough for him.
I'm expecting us to continue down the track of the highly rated young players from foreign markets approach.
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well I for one would rather an adventurous approach than the obvious. No to any Spurs player, no to Lambert (this season's Grant Holt) etc. Be bold Tim and Villa. We did it once with Benteke and we can do it again.
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Lambert as a back up/member of the squad would work could see him doing something off the bench, but that's about it. Without turning into Liverpool and Spurs of the past two years I think the answer is to sign two or three of decent quality who all offer different things rather than going for one player to replace him.
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Has anyone on here seen much of that Mitrovic at Anderlecht?
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Wilfred Bony M or Loic Remy
Remy's off to Palace.
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Buying from within the English leagues, especially the Premier League, would be an incredibly stupid thing to do given the advantage the TV money gives us over European leagues this summer. This advantage won't last forever, so we really need to make use of it and stop the disastrous transfer policy which resulted in a team chasing the Champions League bringing on Marlon Harewood.
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Bony and Austin would be my choice , not that it's going to happen. Gomis would be good too and that won't happen either.
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Buying from within the English leagues, especially the Premier League, would be an incredibly stupid thing to do given the advantage the TV money gives us over European leagues this summer. This advantage won't last forever, so we really need to make use of it and stop the disastrous transfer policy which resulted in a team chasing the Champions League bringing on Marlon Harewood.
Bingo Monty, and given the signing of Gueye and potentially Amavi it would appear the club realise this too.
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Not as a replacement for Benteke but maybe for Weimann would be Gestede from Blackburn. Always thought he was a good player
I do like the look of him. Puts in some great effort and always seems to be involved.
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We need two strikers really. Just buying in one with a big transfer fee and all the pressure on him to replace Benteke, that hasn't worked well in the past has it? Particularly as our other options like Gabby aren't really bothered in scoring goals anymore or have been injured for ages.
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Would be fine with Bamford and Austin, and maybe an Ollic or Klose-type forward to come in on a short-term deal.
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Aguero won't be starting the season for City as he is being given extended time off so Bony will be getting games for City at the start of the season.
I know he is a pariah around these parts but I fully expect Adebayor to be a Villa player in the next week or so. Timmy boy will back himself to get the best out of him like he did when he got 14 in 25 for him at Spurs. Plus his record is 1 in 2 which is what we need to replace with CB going.
I would hope that a younger striker is bought in as well such as Embolo as we need to think long term but having an experienced Prem striker coming in would mean that the weight of expectation would be less and allow them to settle in a bit.
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I reckon Adebayor is nailed on too, with a younger striker also bring signed.
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I reckon Adebayor is nailed on too, with a younger striker also bring signed.
It wouldn't surprise me about Adebayor but the wages might be a sticking point. He must be on a fair whack at Spurs and i've no idea what our top wage is.
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I reckon they will subsidise it for 12 months to get him off their books.
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Showed more in the Belgian league than Benteke ever did. But that's not a hard thing to achieve.
Quite expensive and he's a bit of a twat. Great striker when 100% up for it, but sadly that's not always the case. 10m max.
Praet on the other hand would be an excellent signing at every price quoted IMO.
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I reckon they will subsidise it for 12 months to get him off their books.
I can't see Levy being that generous. Besides, it would only leave them with Kane and Soldado. I reckon they might want a replacement first.
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Possibly right but I think the first willing taker of him will get welcomed with open arms
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Someone worth mentioning from the Belgian leagues is Obbi Oulare. Raw, a crossing between Lukaku and Benteke, fee would only be 5m max and could turn out to be the next Beast in three years time.
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I reckon they will subsidise it for 12 months to get him off their books.
I can't see Levy being that generous. Besides, it would only leave them with Kane and Soldado. I reckon they might want a replacement first.
Aren't they trying to shift Soldado back to Spain?
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Someone worth mentioning from the Belgian leagues is Obbi Oulare. Raw, a crossing between Lukaku and Benteke, fee would only be 5m max and could turn out to be the next Beast in three years time.
Just had a quick look. He looks bloody good in the air.
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Losing Benteke and signing Adebayor would be like losing a Maserati and getting a turd baguette in return.
We should be aiming to sign players on the way up (like Benteke and Delph, actually); players hungry to make their name with us.
Rather than basket cases like Dr Alban, who are chasing one last payday and are happy to just poodle about.
If Paddy Reilly and this new Sporting Director are to earn their corn, that's the type of lazy, unimaginative and ruinous transfer deals we need to put a stop to.
Maybe Sherwood will turn out be be Ron Saunders mkII. But recent history suggests he will be doing well to stay at the club for 2/3 years. Someone who is unlikely to be a long term employee shouldn't be given carte blanche to have total control over deals that could impact us long after they've gone, as per O'Neill, Houlieballs and the rest.
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Adebayor is currently on 100k a week at Spurs. He'd been getting 170 at Man City and they'd continued to fund part of his wages for quite a good part of his Spurs contract.
I would imagine we would offer about half of that, which for a proven 1 in 2 striker isn't big wages. We paid Bent more.
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On loan only. Anything else is madness.
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HE'S OVER HERE NOW....GET HIM!
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Losing Benteke and signing Adebayor would be like losing a Maserati and getting a turd baguette in return.
We should be aiming to sign players on the way up (like Benteke and Delph, actually); players hungry to make their name with us.
Rather than basket cases like Dr Alban, who are chasing one last payday and are happy to just poodle about.
If Paddy Reilly and this new Sporting Director are to earn their corn, that's the type of lazy, unimaginative and ruinous transfer deals we need to put a stop to.
Maybe Sherwood will turn out be be Ron Saunders mkII. But recent history suggests he will be doing well to stay at the club for 2/3 years. Someone who is unlikely to be a long term employee shouldn't be given carte blanche to have total control over deals that could impact us long after they've gone, as per O'Neill, Houlieballs and the rest.
Adebayor today reacted angrily to comments by Kevin Gage by blasting "I don't know what his problem is. It's my life, not his"
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We might have read the same article.
Why would he half his wages to join us? It's unlikely Tottingham would subsidise half (or any) of his wages too.
Seems they would want a fee of £5 million and we'd have to pay anywhere between £60-100k per week on top of that. So an extra £9.3 million - £15 million+ over three years or £12.5 million - £20 million over four.
No thanks.
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Losing Benteke and signing Adebayor would be like losing a Maserati and getting a turd baguette in return.
We should be aiming to sign players on the way up (like Benteke and Delph, actually); players hungry to make their name with us.
Rather than basket cases like Dr Alban, who are chasing one last payday and are happy to just poodle about.
If Paddy Reilly and this new Sporting Director are to earn their corn, that's the type of lazy, unimaginative and ruinous transfer deals we need to put a stop to.
Maybe Sherwood will turn out be be Ron Saunders mkII. But recent history suggests he will be doing well to stay at the club for 2/3 years. Someone who is unlikely to be a long term employee shouldn't be given carte blanche to have total control over deals that could impact us long after they've gone, as per O'Neill, Houlieballs and the rest.
Adebayor today reacted angrily to comments by Kevin Gage by blasting "I don't know what his problem is. It's my life, not his"
He has also asked his mom to put a curse on him.
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I don't see the logic in Adebayor as a short term fix with a younger striker being brought in also. Why not just use Kozak for the Adebayor role?
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Rumours on twitter of a 10m bid for Embolo.
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I don't see the logic in Adebayor as a short term fix with a younger striker being brought in also. Why not just use Kozak for the Adebayor role?
I would say due to Kozak being out for such a long time and also being somewhat unproven when it comes to being the main striker of a premier league team.
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Rumours on twitter of a 10m bid for Embolo.
That's more like it.
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We might have read the same article.
Why would he half his wages to join us? It's unlikely Tottingham would subsidise half (or any) of his wages too.
Seems they would want a fee of £5 million and we'd have to pay anywhere between £60-100k per week on top of that. So an extra £9.3 million - £15 million+ over three years or £12.5 million - £20 million over four.
No thanks.
Man City paid him 70k a week for 2 years as a Spurs players. Spurs want rid so if they pay him 2m to leave it would subsidise the loss. Plus he gets the chance to play for someone who believes in him rather than getting the odd appearance here and there. I would only offer 2 years at 50k anyway take it or leave it.
If we got the Adebayor that played under Sherwood before it would be a steal.
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I don't see the logic in Adebayor as a short term fix with a younger striker being brought in also. Why not just use Kozak for the Adebayor role?
Whilst I don't want Adebayor, at least you'd almost guarantee some sort of goal return from him which can't be said of Kozak sadly
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I don't see the logic in Adebayor as a short term fix with a younger striker being brought in also. Why not just use Kozak for the Adebayor role?
Whilst I don't want Adebayor, at least you'd almost guarantee some sort of goal return from him which can't be said of Kozak sadly
I thought he started to settle in well before he got injured.
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Rumours on twitter of a 10m bid for Embolo.
Can't believe he'd cost that much. But he does look quite handy via you know where
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I don't see the logic in Adebayor as a short term fix with a younger striker being brought in also. Why not just use Kozak for the Adebayor role?
Whilst I don't want Adebayor, at least you'd almost guarantee some sort of goal return from him which can't be said of Kozak sadly
I thought he started to settle in well before he got injured.
Just never looked like being a proper goalscorer to me. Fingers crossed he can be, but it's a big gamble to have him as a second choice after being out for over a year IMHO
As one of four strikers (with two new ones and Gabby (AARGGH!) I guess it'd be ok though
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Kozak looked like the classic 6 yard box poacher before his injury. He'll get his share of scruffy goals.
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Austin and Ayew for me
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Rumours on twitter of a 10m bid for Embolo.
Can't believe he'd cost that much. But he does look quite handy via you know where
He's a Champions League level goalscorer.
Even at 18 they don't come cheap.
It's a Swiss journalist on Twitter that has posted about the bid.
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It looks a bit of a rash move getting rid of Weimann so soon. I'd have probably let Gabby go instead and think we still need to try and offload him if we can.
I only saw a bit of Kozak before his injury, but I think he can do some kind of job for us, maybe on a similar level to Weimann. You'd also hope one of the youngsters will come in to the reckoning.
I'd be tempted to look abroad again and sign a proven quality goal scorer and then also take another punt on a promising youngster. Someone who has already started to draw attention to themselves, but maybe not had much more than a full season.
Whatever's left over from the benteke money after the Genk cut and any money we can get for Gabby needs to be fully invested in two new strikers. No fucking about, identify the targets and go out and get them.
As things stand, we look to be right in the shit at the moment. But you'd hope the club would've made plans for Benteke leaving and started doing their homework early.
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incompetent as we are at times I can't believe we have ignored succession planning for Big Ben
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It looks a bit of a rash move getting rid of Weimann so soon. I'd have probably let Gabby go instead and think we still need to try and offload him if we can.
I only saw a bit of Kozak before his injury, but I think he can do some kind of job for us, maybe on a similar level to Weimann. You'd also hope one of the youngsters will come in to the reckoning.
I'd be tempted to look abroad again and sign a proven quality goal scorer and then also take another punt on a promising youngster. Someone who has already started to draw attention to themselves, but maybe not had much more than a full season.
Whatever's left over from the benteke money after the Genk cut and any money we can get for Gabby needs to be fully invested in two new strikers. No fucking about, identify the targets and go out and get them.
As things stand, we look to be right in the shit at the moment. But you'd hope the club would've made plans for Benteke leaving and started doing their homework early.
Can't agree about Weimann one jot, it was a year too late I reckon. I'm not worried at the moment, just relieved that Delph and Benteke weren't snatched from us on transfer deadline day.
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Bony won't happen in a million years, Austin & someone young / promising like Bamford.
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Rumours on twitter of a 10m bid for Embolo.
Can't believe he'd cost that much. But he does look quite handy via you know where
I'd be over the moon if we got him for that to be honest.
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I don't see the logic in Adebayor as a short term fix with a younger striker being brought in also. Why not just use Kozak for the Adebayor role?
Whilst I don't want Adebayor, at least you'd almost guarantee some sort of goal return from him which can't be said of Kozak sadly
I thought he started to settle in well before he got injured.
Just never looked like being a proper goalscorer to me. Fingers crossed he can be, but it's a big gamble to have him as a second choice after being out for over a year IMHO
As one of four strikers (with two new ones and Gabby (AARGGH!) I guess it'd be ok though
Without looking the actual stat up, I'm sure his goal ration for us is something like 1 in every 2. Admittedly that is over a limited number of games.
And I'm not sure about 4 strikers when we're likely to play 1 upfront - seems a waste of resources to me.
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For all his faults and major questions you don't have a broadly one in two record over a career playing for clubs including arsenal, citeh, Real Madrid and spurs without being a bloody good player.
I'm coming round to it a bit. But I don't know if he's in the right place mentally and his wages are absurd. But he does only have one yr left on the contract and isn't going to get a similar deal elsewhere.
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100 per cent no. He's too old with too much ego and too much baggage. We want younger, fresher, exciting committed and eager players. Five or six years ago maybe - but at 25 he wouldn't have come. Don't forget there's a reason spurs a desperate to get rid.
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Not as a replacement for Benteke but maybe for Weimann would be Gestede from Blackburn. Always thought he was a good player
Good choice.We could upgrade on Benteke by signing Ideye Brown.
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I think we need two strikers, one established and one up and comer.
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and one isn't Ideye Brown. Roy Chubby Brown would be just as comical.
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I think we need two strikers, one established and one up and comer.
Which group does Austin belong in? Not saying I want him, just wondering.
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Has anyone seen much of Callum Wilson? I'd be surprised if Bournemouth are willing to sell. It's als ridiculous that he's priced at £10m, the same we apparently bid for embolo
We're linked with obbi oulare who is seen to have lots of potential but isn't a regular starter yet at 19. So would definitely be one for the future / irregular use this season
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We have a target man in Kozak let find someone who can feed from him ....Bererinho from the Baggies - Spurs bidding 15 mill lets match it and see what happens ...... would totally upset the Baggies fans but worth a shout. Also then go for a back up like Bamford
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We need a proven 1 in 2 striker, preferably playing at a high standard league, within our wage structure, up for a relegation-mid table battle and with excellent sellonability.
Go for it Tim!
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I think we need 2 new strikers in. Like others have said it's a pity Weimann has gone. At this time all we have up front is Kozak who we don't know how good he is, and Gabby who we could also do with moving on.
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Someone worth mentioning from the Belgian leagues is Obbi Oulare. Raw, a crossing between Lukaku and Benteke, fee would only be 5m max and could turn out to be the next Beast in three years time.
I'm glad you read H&V, Timmy
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I think we need 2 new strikers in. Like others have said it's a pity Weimann has gone. At this time all we have up front is Kozak who we don't know how good he is, and Gabby who we could also do with moving on.
Agree we need 2 strikers and Gabby should go. Disagree about Weimann not Premier league quality. Charlie Austin would certainly be one of my choices, proven Prem striker.
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You just know it's going to be that c*** Adebayor though don't you. The incoming transfers are going a bit too well at the moment, you just know we're going to get at least one shit one.
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Why's he a ******? And on what basis is he "shit", bearing in mind he's had a pretty decent scoring record for most of his career?
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Why's he a c***? And on what basis is he "shit", bearing in mind he's had a pretty decent scoring record for most of his career?
Apparently his attitude is shit, if you listen to what's been said about him for years. We hardly need that kind of influence in the dressing room.
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His attitude seemed absolutely fine playing under Sherwood. I've never seen anything much suggesting he's a problem. Just people saying that as he's on massive wages it must mean he's a mercenary or only after one last pay day, rather than jumping to the more logical conclusion that he's on massive wages as he's generally been very good throughout his career.
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I remember hearing some story about an unhappy dressing room at Arsenal due to a little clique of players making life difficult for the rest, with Adebayor being the main problem, and that's why Wenger got rid of him and a couple of others at the time. There was also a lot of rumours he wasn't very popular at Man City too.
He's also 31, may well have peeked, and I feel very sure he's not going to have the kind of attitude that you need scrapping for points at the wrong end of the table. Not for me I'm afraid.
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I hope we don't sign Adebayor.
Mostly because I'm terrified we'll see that cringepipe-rupturing salute thing happen again.
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Wenger "got rid of him"? They wanted him to stay. He moved to a more successful club. Just like Nasri, Clichy, Van Persie and Anelka.
Rumours of him being a bad influence at Arsenal seem to have only spread since he left... they loved him when he was there.
I think other clubs do research before buying players and you don't get signed by, in succession, Man City, Real Madrid and Tottenham (hateful though it is to admit it, they're streets ahead of us at present) if you're a trouble-maker.
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I hope we don't sign Adebayor.
Mostly because I'm terrified we'll see that cringepipe-rupturing salute thing happen again.
As it'll mean we've just scored, I reckon I could live with it.
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Wenger "got rid of him"? They wanted him to stay. He moved to a more successful club. Just like Nasri, Clichy, Van Persie and Anelka.
Rumours of him being a bad influence at Arsenal seem to have only spread since he left... they loved him when he was there.
I think other clubs do research before buying players and you don't get signed by, in succession, Man City, Real Madrid and Tottenham (hateful though it is to admit it, they're streets ahead of us at present) if you're a trouble-maker.
What was his 'length of the pitch' celebration all about when he scored against Arsenal. There seemed to be more in it than getting back at the fans.
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Adebayor seems to be one of those players that scores a few goals when he joins a club and then does bugger all for most of the time. That might be something I've just made up but it sounds right so don't bother checking.
I'm actually quite looking forward to seeing what the new season brings, the four signed so far all seem decent and hopefully the Benteke money will be given to the manager to bring in 2 or 3 quality players. We've lost the spine of the team but let's face it they were pretty poor anyway (with the exception of Benteke) most of the time, I'm quite optimistic. Just don't sign Adebayor.
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I remember hearing some story about an unhappy dressing room at Arsenal due to a little clique of players making life difficult for the rest, with Adebayor being the main problem, and that's why Wenger got rid of him and a couple of others at the time. There was also a lot of rumours he wasn't very popular at Man City too.
He's also 31, may well have peeked, and I feel very sure he's not going to have the kind of attitude that you need scrapping for points at the wrong end of the table. Not for me I'm afraid.
I think it was Adebayor, not Wenger who forced the move
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Is Benteke actually going to be leaving. Interesting tabloid journalism from Sunday People that could put the kybosh on his move to Liverpool.
"Aston Villa's Christian Benteke is thought to be hoping one of the top four can also meet his £32.5m release clause and offer him Champions League football before he puts pen to paper with Liverpool."
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Adebayor seems to be one of those players that scores a few goals when he joins a club and then does bugger all for most of the time. That might be something I've just made up but it sounds right so don't bother checking.
I'm actually quite looking forward to seeing what the new season brings, the four signed so far all seem decent and hopefully the Benteke money will be given to the manager to bring in 2 or 3 quality players. We've lost the spine of the team but let's face it they were pretty poor anyway (with the exception of Benteke) most of the time, I'm quite optimistic. Just don't sign Adebayor.
You missed out on a career as a football journalist it appears.
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Is Benteke actually going to be leaving. Interesting tabloid journalism from Sunday People that could put the kybosh on his move to Liverpool.
"Aston Villa's Christian Benteke is thought to be hoping one of the top four can also meet his £32.5m release clause and offer him Champions League football before he puts pen to paper with Liverpool."
He's already gone for all intents and purposes. We go again.
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Replacing him like for like would be very difficult. Benteke was one of those seldom found gems.
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Wenger "got rid of him"? They wanted him to stay. He moved to a more successful club. Just like Nasri, Clichy, Van Persie and Anelka.
Rumours of him being a bad influence at Arsenal seem to have only spread since he left... they loved him when he was there.
I think other clubs do research before buying players and you don't get signed by, in succession, Man City, Real Madrid and Tottenham (hateful though it is to admit it, they're streets ahead of us at present) if you're a trouble-maker.
What was his 'length of the pitch' celebration all about when he scored against Arsenal. There seemed to be more in it than getting back at the fans.
Arsenal fans giving him loads of stick because they couldn't accept he'd left them for a team which is currently above them in the pecking order. And he got it right up them. Fair play.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/emmanuel-adebayor-brother-claims-tottenham-striker-brainwashed-by-spiritual-healers-into-believing-mother-put-juju-curse-on-him-9895945.html
This is my biggest concern with adebayor. Hasn't he been significantly depressed about all this?
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yes he has and has been granted significant compassionate leave. Lots of sympathy for his personal problems but not what we need at VP right now. There are other experienced PL players to choose from Tim!
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Newcastle apparently signing Mitrovic. He replaced Benteke very well for me in Football Manager. But I sold him in January and Helenius was on fire for the remainder of that season, including a hat-trick against Man Ure in the FA cup semi final, so it possibly doesn't have much bearing on reality.
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£100k a week
spurs want a fee on top of that
hasn't played a full 90 minutes since last october
has spent the last 6 months having some sort of breakdown.
yep, sign him up...
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The last ting we need is a striker who thinks he's got a juju curse on him. That's for sure.
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Can't we just buy Rudy Gestede and forget about Adebayor and his many problems. We have enough of our own!
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The last ting we need is a striker who thinks he's got a juju curse on him. That's for sure.
He should go to Small Heath, he'd fit right in.
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The last ting we need is a striker who thinks he's got a juju curse on him. That's for sure.
He should go to Small Heath, he'd fit right in.
Oh come on, don't you start with the curses as well. The poor bloke's got enough to worry about as it is.
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Newcastle apparently signing Mitrovic. He replaced Benteke very well for me in Football Manager. But I sold him in January and Helenius was on fire for the remainder of that season, including a hat-trick against Man Ure in the FA cup semi final, so it possibly doesn't have much bearing on reality.
Damn. I knew it would be a mistake getting rid of Helenius.