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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: footyskillz on June 21, 2015, 03:35:31 PM
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I thought I bring to attention the TWELVE players whose contract expires around a year from now in 2016 .
We've already seen Andreas weimann leave for £2.75 mil and figures around £1mil to 4 mil I would imagine be offered out to move on these players who are seems surplus to squad requirements
The following will either be kept or moved on as they are entering their final year . Contracts extended or run down. Sold on these summer months/loaned or given chance to prove themselves .
Who will be kept ?
Who will be sold?
Who will get a chance?
What moneys are we talking?
It's a good chance to discuss the merits of these following players ....and if you think Tim Sherwood would want them and what you too would do.
GK
Shay Given age 39
Defenders
Ciaran Clark aged 25
Nat Baker aged 24
Kieron Richardson (1 year option extension) aged 30
Leandro Bacuna aged 23 (24 by start of 15/16 season)
Phillipe Senderos aged 30
Joe Bennett aged 25
Midfielders
Joey Cole aged 33
Charlie N'zogbia aged 29
Gary Gardner aged 22 (23 by start of 15/16 season)
Chris Herd aged 26
Strikers
Callum Robinson aged 20
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I'd hope Bacuna, Gardner and Robinson remain. I'd also hope new ownership would dictate that the rest are not good enough.
Perhaps that's a little rough on Clark and baker...
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FOR KEEPS
Striker Robinson and loan him out initially. One for future.
Shay Given see out contract give him coaching role.
Bacuna keep him I like his versatility.
Clark has developed and entering peak years.
WATCHING BRIEF
Herd, Gardner and Bennett a chance in first team squad.
SELL/RELEASE
Joe Cole
Charlie Nzogbia
Senderos
UNDECIDED
Richardson
Baker
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Gardner, Bacuna and Clark are worth new contracts. Baker we could get money for. The rest are a clutter of either over the hill injury prone semi retired footballers, Championship donkeys or on massive undeserved contracts.
There's probably near £200k a week, £10m+ a season in wages sitting there adding virtually no quality. We could do a lot with that money.
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Senderos 30 ? I had him down as 35/36/37 ?
Him and Cole were bizarre signings , Nzogbia an outlay of around £20m how wasteful.
Given needs to hang his gloves up.
I'd like to keep baker Clark and Robinson.
The others are all surplus .
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Herds still with us till 2016? Bloody hell.
Honestly, with very few exceptions I would sell them all now or let them go next year. Clark and Bacuna are worth keeping longer. Robinson and Gardner have one year to prove themselves. Baker I like but would sell because of his injuries. If he can stay fit this season however, I'd give him a 2 year deal. Nowt more than that.
The rest can go in the next 12 months one way or another.
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Pretty sure Herd signed 4 year deal in 2011 and we're just keeping him on currently so he can get fit and then he'll be released.
As for the others well N'zogbia will not be offered a new deal surely so he'll go on a free we can hope....same for Given unless he wants to stay on as a coach so that's 100k off the wage bill.
Don't think the likes of Senderos, Bennett and Joe Cole will be here this time next year.
Give new contracts to Bacuna and Clark, both showed good periods of form this season and would be good squad players if we signed better for first 11.
I'd move Baker on tbh, don't see him ever being a top premier league centre half and very injury prone.
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Shay Given KEEP
Ciaran Clark KEEP
Nathan Baker KEEP
Kieron Richardson KEEP
Leandro Bacuna KEEP
Phillipe Senderos SELL
Joe Bennett SELL
Joe Cole SELL
Charlie N'zogbia SELL
Gary Gardner WATCH
Chris Herd SELL
Callum Robinson WATCH
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Herd's contract is up now.
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Yes apologies Herdy is up but I think has a year to prove himself
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Shay Given KEEP and give a contract to as a coach
Ciaran Clark KEEP
Nathan Baker KEEP
Kieron Richardson KEEP but only if he stays fit
Leandro Bacuna KEEP
Phillipe Senderos SELL
Joe Bennett WATCH
Joe Cole SELL
Charlie N'zogbia SELL ASAP
Gary Gardner WATCH
Chris Herd SELL
Callum Robinson WATCH
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Shay Given KEEP
Ciaran Clark KEEP
Nathan Baker KEEP
Kieron Richardson KEEP
Leandro Bacuna KEEP
Phillipe Senderos SELL
Joe Bennett SELL
Joe Cole SELL
Charlie N'zogbia SELL
Gary Gardner WATCH
Chris Herd SELL
Callum Robinson WATCH
About the same but I'd get rid of Given when his contract expires. And we obviously won't be getting much of a fee for Joe Cole.
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Perhaps keep them both on in a coaching capacity and make use of their experience?
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What evidence is there that Given and Cole are good coaches? Sick of clubs giving players jobs as soon as they retire.
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Keep Clark, Bacuna & Baker. Take up Richardson on the 1 year extension. Possibly keep Robinson.
The rest need to be shifted. In particular Gardner who needs to move on to a League 1 or maybe Championship club so he can play. Its not a slam to say that he needs to be there to play football as a career, he just cannot compete in the Premier League and we need to be able to. There is no point hoping the lad is going to develop into something he already has and he just is not athletic enough for our league.
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Cole- get rid
Richardson- get rid quicker
Given-keep
Robinson- send him back to Preston asap!
The rest- clear out and get better quality in.
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Cole- get rid
Richardson- get rid quicker
Given-keep
Robinson- send him back to Preston asap!
The rest- clear out and get better quality in.
I wouldn't send Robinson to Preston. He couldn't get a game for them last year and it would seem less likely now they've been promoted and will, presumably, be signing more players.
Loan him to somewhere he's guaranteed to get games. Not Small Heath or Leeds though as I don't want to help them out!
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Errrrr, he played consistently at Preston and was robbed of a day out at Wembley when Sherwood recalled him for the Burnley game and sat his arse on the bench!
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With the possible exception of Robinson, ditch the lot of them. We need a new start.
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Shay Given Not sure about Steer so keep him for the year and look for a top keeper to compete with Guzan
Ciaran Clark Keep, at times last year he showed how he had matured. Needs to keep his hands off players in the box though.
Nat Baker Sell, would get a couple of mill for him
Kieron Richardson Sell, not contributed anything
Leandro Bacuna Keep, gives us options
Phillipe Senderos Controversial but I'd keep, first part of the season was inspired
Joe Bennett aged Keep, I wonder how much the bullying of the players by the coaches hampered their development and screwed their confidence
Joe Cole Sell or release, taking a place Gil or one of the kids could occupy. £20,000 a week freed up.
Charlie N'zogbia Probably couldn't pay someone to take him
Gary Gardner Keep and use to see if he can hack it.
Chris Herd Release, too old to improve, probably a Forest or Ipswich level player
Callum Robinson Keep and promote to first team squad permanently
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Keep them all... and get them selling drinks, pies, programmes etc when not considered good enough or fit enough for the matchday squad. I don't mind high wages if people work hard for what they pick up.
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With the possible exception of Robinson, ditch the lot of them. We need a new start.
Kind of agree and it extends to other contracted players too - westwood , Gabby, Tonev, Sylla, Helinius.
Sherwood has a mammoth job on his hands.
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Shay Given Sell
Ciaran Clark Keep
Nathan Baker Sell
Kieron Richardson Sell
Leandro Bacuna Sell
Phillipe Senderos Sell
Joe Bennett Sell
Joe Cole Sell
Charlie N'zogbia Sell
Gary Gardner Sell
Chris Herd Sell
Callum Robinson Sell
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Yes, added to this list in deciding what to do with them are the assorted riffraff returning from loan spells - Luna, Tonev, Sylla, Helenius...anymore? What a mountain of hasbeens and nevergonnas. It's a good thing Tim is a positive person. Going through this list is enough to make a sane Villa fan weep.
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Phillipe Senderos Controversial but I'd keep, first part of the season was inspired
Nice to see some love for Phil - he was pretty good in the 1st 4 matches of the season - then we played Arsenal/Chelsea/ity with our usual level of success - I more sub appearance - and he was crocked, iirc
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Phillipe Senderos Controversial but I'd keep, first part of the season was inspired
Nice to see some love for Phil - he was pretty good in the 1st 4 matches of the season - then we played Arsenal/Chelsea/ity with our usual level of success - I more sub appearance - and he was crocked, iirc
Weird injury. Lambert then Sherwood kept saying it would be "a couple of weeks" but no sign of him the rest of the season.
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Sell Gardner? No way. Need to see what he can do after his form at forest
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I'd be happy when Cole,senderos nzogbia,tonez, luna and Bennett will be sold.
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Shay Given Sell
Ciaran Clark Keep
Nathan Baker Keep
Kieron Richardson Sell
Leandro Bacuna Keep
Phillipe Senderos Sell
Joe Bennett Sell
Joe Cole Sell
Charlie N'zogbia Raffle
Gary Gardner Keep
Chris Herd Sell
Callum Robinson Keep
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Shay Given. Stuck with. Ideally sell/give away to free up wages
Ciaran Clark Keep
Nathan Baker Keep
Kieron Richardson Sell
Leandro Bacuna Keep
Phillipe Senderos Sell
Joe Bennett Sell
Joe Cole. Stuck with. Ideally sell/give away to free up wages
Charlie N'zogbia Raffle
Gary Gardner Keep
Chris Herd Sell
Callum Robinson Keep
For the "sells" Other than N'Zogbia and Given I don't think we've got any meaningful transfer fees to lose out on (for once).
If Sherwood really wants rid and if the players can find clubs we could literally give them away (plus their loyalty bonuses #pukes#)
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GK
Shay Given age 39 Turn him out to pasture
Defenders
Ciaran Clark aged 25 Keep
Nat Baker aged 24 Keep
Kieron Richardson (1 year option extension) aged 30 Keep for now (sell if we buy another left back)
Leandro Bacuna aged 23 (24 by start of 15/16 season) Keep and play in Midfield.
Phillipe Senderos aged 30 Keep for one more season
Joe Bennett aged 25 Keep for now, one season to prove he deserves another contract
Midfielders
Joey Cole aged 33 Maybe keep around for experience, but do not play!!!
Charlie N'zogbia aged 29 Sell, give away, kill, take him to Bournemouth and leave him on the beach, whatever just get rid.
Gary Gardner aged 22 (23 by start of 15/16 season) Give him 1 season to prove himself, last chance saloon
Chris Herd aged 26 Is he still alive?
Strikers
Callum Robinson aged 20 Give the boy a chance.
All this changes if we win the lottery!! Then I would sell the bloomin lot!!!
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Shay Given KEEP
Ciaran Clark KEEP
Nathan Baker KEEP
Kieron Richardson KEEP
Leandro Bacuna KEEP
Phillipe Senderos SELL
Joe Bennett SELL
Joe Cole SELL
Charlie N'zogbia SELL
Gary Gardner WATCH
Chris Herd SELL
Callum Robinson WATCH
Agree with that.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-award-ciaran-clark-5932740
Clark to stay be offered a new contract
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http://news.ladbrokes.com/football/premier-league/sherwood-continue-cutting-villas-fringe-axing.html
Three players who will be out of contract 2016 Ladbrokes say should be axed
Baker
Nzogbia
Senderos
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Bit harsh on Baker , I rate him if he can stay fit.
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They'll all stay, nobody's going to pay much for them with a year left on their contracts. I'd keep Baker and Senderos for now. They're both back in the pecking order, especially if Richards plays centre-half, but could be decent as back up. If either comes in to the team and does well I wouldn't be averse to giving them a new deal.
I think Zoggy has had enough chances. Wouldn't be averse to loaning him to save a bit of his wages. Can't wait till his contract expires.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-award-ciaran-clark-5932740
Clark to stay be offered a new contract
Well deserved.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-award-ciaran-clark-5932740
Clark to stay be offered a new contract
Well deserved.
and so say all of us...well me anyway :)
UTV
The Doc
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Clark really has come on. I think the troubled years on relegation fights has been a great experience for him for learning. I hope not only as a supporter but for Clark and team they get an 'easier' season than that of previous years.
He's a ball player when in confident mood. i remember seeing him in a cup tie ,when we didn't struggle to beat those loiwer teams, take the ball run with it and score an amazing goal it was against Bristol rovers if I recall correctly.
Shades of Gareth Barry back then dare I say.
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They'll all stay, nobody's going to pay much for them with a year left on their contracts. I'd keep Baker and Senderos for now. They're both back in the pecking order, especially if Richards plays centre-half, but could be decent as back up. If either comes in to the team and does well I wouldn't be averse to giving them a new deal.
I think Zoggy has had enough chances. Wouldn't be averse to loaning him to save a bit of his wages. Can't wait till his contract expires.
If someone wants to take Zogbia off us for nothing this summer I'd happily let him go. Bloody appalling player 95% of the time. And the other 5% he manages mediocre. Chance after chance. Not even that shambles Ireland was given chance upon chance to turn his career round here.
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I would keep Clark, Baker and Robinson. The rest either sell now or let their contracts run out if there are no takers.
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There are strong reports linking Bennett with a move to Fulham. They signed jazzz Richards and want Bennett as the other full back. I reckon £1 to £1.5 mil fee. Bought Bennet at £2- £2.5 mil. I think if we are getting a couple of defenders in his lb position okay. As cissoko off too otherwise we need him as a backup.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11725207/Aston-Villa-transfer-news-Shay-Given-to-join-Middlesbrough.html
Given great service good Luck. To the guy . Surprised he's leaving .
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They'll all stay, nobody's going to pay much for them with a year left on their contracts. I'd keep Baker and Senderos for now. They're both back in the pecking order, especially if Richards plays centre-half, but could be decent as back up. If either comes in to the team and does well I wouldn't be averse to giving them a new deal.
I think Zoggy has had enough chances. Wouldn't be averse to loaning him to save a bit of his wages. Can't wait till his contract expires.
If someone wants to take Zogbia off us for nothing this summer I'd happily let him go. Bloody appalling player 95% of the time. And the other 5% he manages mediocre. Chance after chance. Not even that shambles Ireland was given chance upon chance to turn his career round here.
Got to agree. He's in the last year of his contract now so don't be surprised to see him play like a world beater next season to either get a new deal or a new club.
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I don't see where N'Zogbia can fit in this season. If we bring Chery in and Gil is now in Tim's thoughts (as reported), N'Zogbia is slipping ever further down the pecking order whilst on a very high salary. I agree that if we can find a taker for him this summer we should cut our losses.
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GK
Shay Given age 39 Off to middlesboro
Defenders
Ciaran Clark aged 25
Nat Baker aged 24
Kieron Richardson (1 year option extension) aged 30
Leandro Bacuna aged 23 (24 by start of 15/16 season)
Phillipe Senderos aged 30
Joe Bennett aged 25
Midfielders
Joey Cole aged 33
Charlie N'zogbia aged 29
Gary Gardner aged 22 (23 by start of 15/16 season)
Chris Herd aged 26 (currently out of contract)
Strikers
Callum Robinson aged 20
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I don't see where N'Zogbia can fit in this season.
There's probably a vacancy in one of the pie stalls.
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There's been talk of wba wanting Clark but that's just cheek as they see he's nearing out of contract. Alot of these one year remaining contract players will come up for negoations in coming season so links are there to help both renewing contracting and or getting best possible deal. This is fuelled by agent.
Again looking at list I'd like nzogbia moved on and Bennett. If we have suitable replacements Joe Cole and kieron Richardson too but I think being kept for expereince
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Are you talking about keeping Cole when his contract ends, or now?
Surely keeping him on in a year's time will be pretty much unthinkable, given his age and lack of contribution thus far? If this is what he's like now, think what he'll be like in a year's time?
He'll probably be using a mobility scooter by then.
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we've got a management team with loads of playing experience, don't need to keep dead wood like joe cole for the hell of it.
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we've got a management team with loads of playing experience, don't need to keep dead wood like joe cole for the hell of it.
Harsh , but admittedly Fair,
yes fuck him off, he's done fuck hall :)
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The only ones I would keep would be Bacuna, Clark and Baker but even those three wouldn't be a massive loss.
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Shay Given - Giive it away, given it away now
Ciaran Clark - Keep
Nathan Baker - Keep
Kieron Richardson - Sell
Leandro Bacuna - Keep
Phillipe Senderos - Sell
Joe Bennett - Keep
Joe Cole - Sell
Charlie N'zogbia - Sell
Gary Gardner - Keep
Chris Herd - Sell
Callum Robinson - Keep
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Shay Given - Gone
Ciaran Clark - Keep
Nathan Baker - Keep
Kieron Richardson - Sell
Leandro Bacuna - Sell
Phillipe Senderos - Sell
Joe Bennett - Sell
Joe Cole - Sell
Charlie N'zogbia - Sell
Gary Gardner - Keep/Loan
Chris Herd - Sell
Callum Robinson - Keep/Loan
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Signing Clark on a new contract should be a priority.
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Keep Clark, Robinson and Watch Bennett for me.
Clark showed that alongside a solid and experienced central defender he has skill. We might see himcut out some mistakes this year.
Bennett will have a year to see.
If we can get anything for Baker (Burnley it looks like) or, more importantly N'Zog then I'd sell now. Richardson however I'd keep for ezperinxe for the year. He's not expensive and he has some energy and despite the hate, can do a job when required.
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Baker - keep or sell to Burnley ??
I only sell on if we have replacement . but if Sherwood doesn't want to give new contract then makes sense we to cash in. I like Baker boy has been fabulous as a somewhat local and is proper built ! His effort and courage there too see and loves his thundering in challenges and sticking his head in. Good luck to him and will closely watch his career but Baker probably isn't the highest standard similar to weimann . both good efforts and passionate.
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Andreas weimann leave for £2.75 mil and figures around £1mil to 4 mil I would imagine be offered out to move on these players who are seems surplus to squad requirements
The following will either be kept or moved on as they are entering their final year . Contracts extended or run down.
Who will be kept ?
Who will be sold?
Who will get a chance?
What moneys are we talking?
It's a good chance to discuss the merits of these following players ....and if you think Tim Sherwood would want them and what you too would do.
GK
Given age 39 left to stoke good luck !
Defenders
Ciaran Clark aged 25 please keep !!
Nat Baker aged 24 £2mil offer from Burnley
Kieron Richardson (1 year option extension) aged 30
Leandro Bacuna aged 23 (24 by start of 15/16 season)
Phillipe Senderos aged 30
Joe Bennett aged 25
Midfielders
Joey Cole aged 33
Charlie N'zogbia aged 29
Gary Gardner aged 22 (23 by start of 15/16 season)
Chris Herd aged 26
Strikers
Callum Robinson aged 20
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I'd like GG to stay. There's been talk of forest back in for him on loan. Gards been very unfortunate with injuries
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The following will either be kept or moved on as they are entering their final year . and a lot more activity has happened since last update
GK
Given age 39 left to stoke good luck !
Defenders
Ciaran Clark contract 2020
Nat Baker 2019
Kieron Richardson (1 year option extension) aged 30...made available
Leandro Bacuna 24 contract 2020
Phillipe Senderos aged 30- available ...
Joe Bennett aged 25 ???
Midfielders
Joey Cole aged 33 .. Available to sell
Charlie N'zogbia aged 29 available to sell
Gary Gardner 23 3years 2018
Chris Herd aged 26 ??
Strikers
Callum Robinson aged 20 fully expect new deal for him and hope he gets chance after initial loan at Bristol city
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I expect Bennett to be offered a deal. We seem to have decided, perhaps after Snakegate, that it's better to get players signed up long-term while they're still relatively cheap so as not to lose them for nothing if they turn out to be good.