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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: thegreatdane on May 29, 2015, 12:29:32 PM
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Opinions on Carlos Sanchez?
Ive see him play 5 or 6 times this season and he has been rommel.
Thoughts of others?
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Not as good at his job as Rommel was.
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Erwin Rommel?
Rephrase that to he has been nothing short of a disaster.
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Apparently he's going to Germany to play for St Paulus
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I like Carlos. Not that keen on Rommel.
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Rommel ? Gunner who ?
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Eh?
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It's the title of one of Spike Milligan's war memoirs, along with 'Hitler: My Part in His Downfall' and 'Mussolini: His Part in My Downfall'.
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I think Sanchez has been ok. Rommel has been nothing short of a disater though.
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The Pebble?
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Probably a bit too early to give a definitive answer. He definitely has the physical attributes to play in the Premier League, but needs to sharpen up considerably in possession. We will probably get a better idea next season.
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I've seen him have some good games and vice-versa. There's definitely a good player in there, I think people forget he hasn't been here and with time he'll get better accustomed to the league. I remember when Bacuna looked hopeless and he's become a crucial player for us.
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I'm unsure of the question, but I feel his place in the squad isn't set in stone.
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'Pebble'? He does need to sharpen up, but I don't think he's schist. (Cue fellow geologists...)
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'Pebble'? He does need to sharpen up, but I don't think he's schist. (Cue fellow geologists...)
I've slated him a few times. Although he did score a gneiss coal against Man Schisty.
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Wasn't his nickname supposed to be "The Rock" when he signed. So the implication is that he has been less than like a rock more like a pebble. Like concrete Ron being more porcelain than concrete.
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Blancmange.
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He's usually played pretty well tbf, but loses concentration and the errors he makes always seem to be real howlers...he was our best player at qpr away and then in one 5 minute spell gave the ball away 3 times, the last one leading to their second goal!
With a bit of sharpening up he could become a really good player for us.
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He was 29 last February, so in football years he is getting on a bit and may not be able to improve upon what he is now.
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Reminds me of Savo in the sense that when he makes mistakes they're glaringly obvious ones. I think he's a good player and if he acclimatises to the league a bit more he will be good competition for Westwood.
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Blancmange.
Brilliant
Carlos "The Blancmange" Sanchez
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Blancmange.
Are you up the cuckoo tree?
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I like Sanchez. The Rock.
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Blancmange.
Brilliant
Carlos "The Blancmange" Sanchez
Ron.
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Blancmange.
Brilliant
Carlos "The Blancmange" Sanchez
Ron.
Carlos "Ron" Sanchez?
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It has a certain ring to it, I suppose...
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Rommel had a cool nickname. Much cooler than "The Pebble".
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Good range of passing generally, breaks up play well and gets around the pitch. I do think he gets a bit overconfident at times though, holding on to the pall too long or being a bit lazy with a lay off. I'd certainly give him a bit longer to see if he adapts.
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When he runs is it a pebble dash?
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Blancmange.
Are you up the cuckoo tree?
I always thought they sang 'i'm up the bloody tree'. Mind you, I haven't heard it since I was about 12.
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Is this a character who was written out of The Sopranos in an early draft?
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We will see the best of him next season. There's a player in there if he can cut out the gaffes.
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Quite a lot of us really like Carlos. I think Tim does as well. We might get a very good season out of him when it comes round in a few months.
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Well great news from South America and the fact that Carlos Sanchez was Man of the Match against Brasil. Marked Naymar out of the game.
Good comments from him also, explained that he is adjusting (slower than hoped) to the English game, language is improving and looking forward to next season where he believes that as the Brazil match shows, he is progressing personally and expects to add more to the team next season.
I hope so, there is a player in there and once he fully "understands" and adopts to the speed of the PL we will see a world class player in the team. Fingers crossed and UTV
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He reminds me of Jean II Makoun and Petrov. Good players who struggled to adjust to the pace, tempo and culture of the Premier league, but who given time will settle into it, and be a good player. Makoun was never given enough time, Petrov eventually settled.
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Man of the match for Colombia against Brazil, apparently: ESPN (http://www.espnfc.com.au/copa-america/83/blog/post/2496317/colombias-win-down-to-carlos-sanchez-dominating-neymar).
It was a night when Santiago turned into Bogota, or Barranquilla, Medellin or Cali. Brazil's 100 percent record under Dunga came to an end as Colombia held on to beat them by a single goal, accompanied by the roars and the vuvuzelas of the packed Colombian support.
This game had been billed as a clash between Neymar and James Rodriguez, however the real contest was between Neymar and Colombia's holding midfielder Carlos Sanchez -- and it was a clash with a clear winner.
Four years ago in the previous Copa America, Sanchez produced a fine man marking performance to keep Lionel Messi quiet. On Wednesday his role was even more important, for a number of reasons.
First, because after a disastrous opening day defeat to Venezuela, Colombia really needed something from this game. The stakes were high. And also because Neymar is even more important to Brazil than Messi is to Argentina.
Dunga's team is worryingly dependent on him -- and worryingly dependent on attacking speed. Slow them down, slow Neymar down, and the battle is well on the way to being won.
Sanchez rose to the task with a superb performance of defensive midfield play. He kept a close watch on Neymar, looking to stop his surges at source. He won tackle after tackle against the Brazil captain. Neymar was reduced to a petulant figure, who picked up a second yellow card in two games, and topped it off with a red card at the end of the match.
Once again, a match against Colombia has taken Neymar out of a tournament. Even coach Dunga is unclear at this stage how many matches his captain will be suspended for. At least he has a chance to see what his players can do without their attacking talisman.
Colombia's big problem against Venezuela -- a lack of midfield elaboration -- was not an impediment in this match. This time there was no obligation on the Colombians to take the initiative.
They could sit deep to neutralise Brazil's pace, and either launch the ball forward for their twin strikers, Radamel Falcao and Teofilo Gutierrez, or rely on bursts of pace from Juan Cuadrado and Rodriguez. Colombia, then, could afford to spoil and speculate.
Sanchez gave them the platform to do it, and they grew in confidence as the first half wore on. Brazil's frustration showed itself in a number of ill-disciplined fouls. One of them proved decisive; Cuadrado curled in a free kick to the far post and -- not for the first time -- Brazil struggled to clear a set piece. Jeison Murillo took advantage with a swivel shot into the corner.
With Brazil rattled, Colombia had chances to score a second, notably when Falcao wasted a counter attack, greedily firing over when others were better placed.
At half time Brazil introduced Phillipe Coutinho for Fred on the left of midfield, but the main change was that Neymar moved up front -- to get him away from Sanchez -- and Roberto Firmino dropped deeper. There was some promising interplay between the two, but the best chance they created was a complete gift; Murillo's back-pass played keeper David Ospina short, and in the resultant melee the ball fell to Firmino with the goal gaping, but he leant back and sent his shot over the bar.
Brazil exerted a second half stranglehold, and Colombia coach Jose Pekerman made the obvious change to tighten up his side, withdrawing Falcao and introducing Victor Ibarbo on the left of midfield, forming a five man block, augmented by the noise made by every Colombian in the crowd.
Their celebrations at the final whistle were well justified. This is the first time that Colombia have beaten Brazil since the last time the Copa America was held in Chile -- on July 13, 1991, when James Rodriguez had been alive for a single day.
Also, Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3129048/Brazil-0-1-Colombia-Jeison-Murillo-kick-starts-Los-Cafeteros-Copa-America-campaign-Neymar-frustrated-World-Cup-rematch.html) gave him an 8.
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He reminds me of Jean II Makoun and Petrov. Good players who struggled to adjust to the pace, tempo and culture of the Premier league, but who given time will settle into it, and be a good player. Makoun was never given enough time, Petrov eventually settled.
This.
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He reminds me of Jean II Makoun and Petrov. Good players who struggled to adjust to the pace, tempo and culture of the Premier league, but who given time will settle into it, and be a good player. Makoun was never given enough time, Petrov eventually settled.
This.
Precisely. I was hoping that he'd fill that gaping hole in central midfield where we were constantly overrun by everybody when Stan stopped playing. He still may do.
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I think the timing of his signing didn't help anyone. By waiting until mid-august he missed full pre-season and he looked short of fitness. Not having that fitness work with us meant he was always a little behind the squad and, as has been said, looked fucked after an hour. If you look at the errors he's made they usually came later in the game and I think were a result of tiredness (mental and physical) rather than anything more worrying.
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He reminds me of Jean II Makoun and Petrov. Good players who struggled to adjust to the pace, tempo and culture of the Premier league, but who given time will settle into it, and be a good player. Makoun was never given enough time, Petrov eventually settled.
This.
Precisely. I was hoping that he'd fill that gaping hole in central midfield where we were constantly overrun by everybody when Stan stopped playing. He still may do.
The biggest thing for me is his physicality is much better than Westwood who is powder puff against physical forwards and attacking midfielders. He hasnt settled briloiantly but I think he'll get better we just need to be patient. With the Copa America though he's not going to get a long pre-season and Tim may have to make a call on when he starts being in the squad. His fitness and passing need to be much better.
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Makes it even stranger why we didn't set-up like we did away to Man City with Sanchez and Westwood protecting the defence.
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I think the timing of his signing didn't help anyone. By waiting until mid-august he missed full pre-season and he looked short of fitness. Not having that fitness work with us meant he was always a little behind the squad and, as has been said, looked fucked after an hour. If you look at the errors he's made they usually came later in the game and I think were a result of tiredness (mental and physical) rather than anything more worrying.
He's not going to have much more of a rest this summer with Colombia at the Copa America.
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He reminds me of Jean II Makoun and Petrov. Good players who struggled to adjust to the pace, tempo and culture of the Premier league, but who given time will settle into it, and be a good player. Makoun was never given enough time, Petrov eventually settled.
This.
Precisely. I was hoping that he'd fill that gaping hole in central midfield where we were constantly overrun by everybody when Stan stopped playing. He still may do.
The biggest thing for me is his physicality is much better than Westwood who is powder puff against physical forwards and attacking midfielders. He hasnt settled briloiantly but I think he'll get better we just need to be patient. With the Copa America though he's not going to get a long pre-season and Tim may have to make a call on when he starts being in the squad. His fitness and passing need to be much better.
He certainly has the physicality and mobility to play in the top flight. If he can just speed and simplify things when in possession then he should be OK.
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I think the timing of his signing didn't help anyone. By waiting until mid-august he missed full pre-season and he looked short of fitness. Not having that fitness work with us meant he was always a little behind the squad and, as has been said, looked fucked after an hour. If you look at the errors he's made they usually came later in the game and I think were a result of tiredness (mental and physical) rather than anything more worrying.
He's not going to have much more of a rest this summer with Colombia at the Copa America.
He'll get a few weeks with us which will help
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I always thought Sanchez was meant to be another Makelele type - take the ball off the opposition and pass it to a teammate less than five yards away. It seems to me his shortcomings were exposed when he was expected to be quick and skilful.
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Well if we ever play Barcalona we are gona be ace as Messi and Naymar won't be getting a kick
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Well I never thought I'd be saying this but articles like at least give me hope that he isn't a complete melon...I genuinely hope he proves me wrong.
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Well I never thought I'd be saying this but articles like at least give me hope that he isn't a complete melon...I genuinely hope he proves me wrong.
Your hoping for Mango
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Tim Vickery called his performance "Magnificent" and coming from him that's high praise.
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I agree with everyone saying that adjusting to the prem is the key
Unfortunatly he seemed to go backwards in that area, he started of quite bright and got worse as the season progressed, which is a bit worrying
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Disagree, John. After a lengthy World Cup, short break, move to a new club and country, not speaking the language, I think he's done more than enough to show he's quality (Arsenal game apart). As I've pointed out numerous times throughout the season, his game starts to fall apart after 60 minutes but during those 60 minutes he works like a Trojan, often covering for Delph who normally takes 30-40 minutes to get started.
My concern is that although he sounds very settled at the club and is coming to grips with the language, it looks like he's in for another summer of football and little rest. If he can get his fitness levels up I think we have a fantastic player on our hands but I'd imagine he'll be given an extra week or two to relax and he'll be playing catch up again when he returns.
I love watching him play, he covers a hell of a lot of ground and reads the game well. He can tackle, he's strong and I've no problem with him keeping it simple by bringing others into the game. If we can look after him, I can see him here for the next few years. I really think he's that good.
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Well if we ever play Barcelona we are gona be ace as Messi and Naymar won't be getting a kick
I think it's asking a bit much to ask him to mark both out the game.
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Well if we ever play Barcelona we are gona be ace as Messi and Naymar won't be getting a kick
I think it's asking a bit much to ask him to mark both out the game.
It's the only way they will get the better of him is for both of the them to have a ball and take him on at the same time.
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Disagree, John. After a lengthy World Cup, short break, move to a new club and country, not speaking the language, I think he's done more than enough to show he's quality (Arsenal game apart). As I've pointed out numerous times throughout the season, his game starts to fall apart after 60 minutes but during those 60 minutes he works like a Trojan, often covering for Delph who normally takes 30-40 minutes to get started.
My concern is that although he sounds very settled at the club and is coming to grips with the language, it looks like he's in for another summer of football and little rest. If he can get his fitness levels up I think we have a fantastic player on our hands but I'd imagine he'll be given an extra week or two to relax and he'll be playing catch up again when he returns.
I love watching him play, he covers a hell of a lot of ground and reads the game well. He can tackle, he's strong and I've no problem with him keeping it simple by bringing others into the game. If we can look after him, I can see him here for the next few years. I really think he's that good.
Agree with pretty much all of that TSOV.
His debut againt Newcastle when he came on with about 20 minutes to go, he pretty much turned the game back in our favour single handed as we went from being totally under the cosh to at worst it being 50:50 at times, but for the most part looking like we were on top.
And then he played that scooped pass out to the right wing after he'd been on the pitch for about 3 minutes.
I'm not surprised he's knackered after 60 minutes. I'd last about 60 seconds going at it the way he does.
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I think he's a good player and hopefully if he get a bit better at lasting through games he'll be a great asset.
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Anyone who marks neymar out of a game deserves another season with us.
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Sanchez was strange last season. At times, I though he did extremely well. Sometimes he showed a technical ability which was way above the level of most of the rest of our players. But then, often, he'd go and drop an expensive clanger.
He's easily shown enough to warrant being persevered with, though, and I agree entirely with the comments above re moving to another country, another league etc etc.
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Yeah agree . When I moved from one house to another house in the same town , it even took me months to settle .
The main reason was there was no hot milf undressing in front of me in her bedroom across the back garden .
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Against West Ham away he was superb, our best player by a mile
By contrast his performance against Stoke at home was laughable
What ya gona do
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Yeah agree . When I moved from one house to another house in the same town , it even took me months to settle .
The main reason was there was no hot milf undressing in front of me in her bedroom across the back garden .
Do not google search images for Miss Colombia. Sanchez should go to Snobs and drink 14 pints if he's homesick.
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And lik a moth to a flame...
Her hair isn't as good as his mind.
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Was lucky enough to watch the game, and all the way through Sanchez was just awesome. He has this great ability to get a foot in and disrupt play without giving away fouls. A few Colombian students said he is all over all the news back home as well.
Itīs hard to describe, especially to some of our fans who are unconvinced by him, just how dominant and influential he was in that match. Honestly itīs the stand out individual performance of the tournament so far, for me, he was everywhere and looked just as good on the ball as off it. Also didnīt resort to fouling or being overly physical at any stage, just tackled, positioned himself well, and used the ball well.
I agree with others that Sanchez has actually shown these attributes with us a few times - especially his knack of just nicking the ball or getting a foot in, but this game was something else. Even if he doesnt reach that level wth us week in week out, and he wonīt, he showed that defensively at least he has something which none of our midfielders have - I like Westwood but letīs be honest he will never dominate a match like that against a top level team.
Really pleased for Carlos, hope they go all the way.
Also had the added bonus of watching JPA do analysis of the game, only slightly ruined by the presence of Keys and Gray wanting to talk about Neymar the whole time.
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Did he play deeper - like an advanced CB?
My main concern last season was his propensity to concede fouls around our penalty area, often because he was coming back from a more advanced MF role.
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I'm sure TS is, or has someone keeping on eye Sanchez in the tourney.
Maybe with this season under his belt he may become a regular if his fitness is maintained.
Good luck to him, let's hope we see the best of him in the coming season.
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What was the pace of the game? He was at his best around the turn of the Year when lambert had introduced his soporific patient style. I wonder if he's as suited to high intensity football?
Presumably he's gonna need a rest after this and the World Cup last summer now. So we might not see him at the start of the season?
But I'm perfectly prepared to believe that he can be next in line for the player that has been completely written off only to make a good contribution
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International football play at slower pace and use less energy which means Carlos last longer. Tim Sherwood will improve the team and hopefully a system which require less energy and covering.
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Just watched the whole of the second half on You Tube. What an atmosphere! High octane football from both sides including a quite incredible miss from Firmino which would have had Savo drooling! About 61mins in Carlos puts the frighteners on son of Neymar who bawled his head off
The commentator must have needed oxygen at the end, he went at it full pelt for 90mins!
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The pace of the game was intense basically all the way through. Colombia didn't let Brazil settle and pressed them once they got to the halfway line, if not before. in the first half Colombia were at their best and it was Sanchez and the other DM who provided the platform for them. The tempo was relentless, honestly this wasn't a kickabout in the sun (it was pissing it down I think)i
He did play deep but advanced with the ball a couple of times and almost scored with a shot that took a nick off a defender and flashed wide.
I can only remember one time when Carlos got caught a little out of position - he didn't cover a runner who went beyond the full back in the 90th minute. And once Neymar nutmegged him in the first half. Apart from that it was the perfect peformance, he stopped Neymar playing between the lines completely and as a result pushed him wider or into a more orthodox striker's position.
And Ron's right, Firmino's miss (from a sloppy backpass by Zapata) was incredible, and the atmosphere was ace! Stay up and watch the Copa America if you can..
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I just wonder if we play five at the back for some games next season whether he'd work as once of the three centre halfs? As he can read the game reasonably well and got height.
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who is Carlos's DM partner. Should we go for him to replace Westwood ?
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Edwin Armando Valencia Rodríguez. known as Edwin Valencia. He is 6ft 1ins plays for Santos. Only problem is his age. 30yrs old
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What channel is it on? It is getting very little coverage in the UK in my opinion.
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Wow...MotM against Brazil and another excellent display today against a tricky Peruvian side. He also wasn't buggered after 60 minutes either :D
Hope we see more of this Carlos next season.
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What channel is it on? It is getting very little coverage in the UK in my opinion.
This country's crap when it comes to giving us options to watch football. It always feels like we're missing out and then when you can watch a match you get f**king fleeced to do so. Are there any highlights shows on over here?
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It's on a channel called BeIn sports over here. Not sure if it is a North American thing or available in Europe. They have the full tournament. I recorded to Columbia game and looking forward to watching La Roca. Hopefully he returns rested and in shape because he can be a very important player for us next season.
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Its true. I get complete Premier League coverage here in the USA (every single game televised). When I come back home to the UK its pathetic trying to find a game of the domestic league, let alone something like the Copa.
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Its true. I get complete Premier League coverage here in the USA (every single game televised). When I come back home to the UK its pathetic trying to find a game of the domestic league, let alone something like the Copa.
Pathetic is exactly what it is especially as it's our nation's numero uno sport. I'm well jel of you and Toronto Villa.
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He's up against Messi again at the weekend I think
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Next game is Friday - come on Carlos!!
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Hopefully he'll keep up the good performances and then someone will buy him. Sylla looks decent compared to Sanchez. He's shite.
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Hopefully he'll keep up the good performances and then someone will buy him. Sylla looks decent compared to Sanchez. He's shite.
So he's putting in good perfomances for Colombia, but he's shite?
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Hopefully he'll keep up the good performances and then someone will buy him. Sylla looks decent compared to Sanchez. He's shite.
So he's putting in good perfomances for Colombia, but he's shite?
yes the ultimate oxymoron
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What channel is it on? It is getting very little coverage in the UK in my opinion.
Premier Sports. I think you get that if you've got BT Sport but not sure. It's also available on Bet365's site if you have a funded account.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how he get's on this season. I wouldn't be selling him just yet.
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Me too, but I wish he had more of a break
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Me too, but I wish he had more of a break
He'll most likely return to training later than all the others I would have thought.
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What channel is it on? It is getting very little coverage in the UK in my opinion.
Premier Sports. I think you get that if you've got BT Sport but not sure. It's also available on Bet365's site if you have a funded account.
It's separate from BT Sport so need to pay another 10 quid for it
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I would certainly be resting Carlos. Give him a few more weeks off when he's back. We can involve him in the August pre-season games.
What I think would help Carlos is if we changed our set up a little. Get someone playing back with him. Then we can put 3 attacking midfielders ahead of them. To be honest, Delph doesn't score many and probably never will so I'd be tempted to having him playing a bit deeper, and surging forward from a deep lying role. Delph and Sanchez can hold, and have 3 ahead of them. Delph has a lot of energy and his normally good in tight spots, which could help free up a little space for Sanchez. Sanchez has got quality on the ball if he's got time. In addition once he adapts more fully to the frenetic nature of this league (which hopefully he will do) he should improve.
If he's not doing the business next season, then it's probably best to move him on next summer. It could be a case of good player, wrong league. But I hope not. Hope he comes good.
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Hopefully he'll keep up the good performances and then someone will buy him. Sylla looks decent compared to Sanchez. He's shite.
So he's putting in good perfomances for Colombia, but he's shite?
He isn't good enough for the Premier League. His performance at Arsenal was the worst I've ever seen from a Villa player.
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Hopefully he'll keep up the good performances and then someone will buy him. Sylla looks decent compared to Sanchez. He's shite.
So he's putting in good perfomances for Colombia, but he's shite?
He isn't good enough for the Premier League. His performance at Arsenal was the worst I've ever seen from a Villa player.
He isn't good enough for the premier league but he is good enough to have marked Neymar out of the game. The main difference between the various leagues is the pace of the game (not the players more the flow of things) English football is much more frenetic, with midfielders given a lot less time on the ball. It makes for a more exciting but less technical league.
In a lot of cases it takes a while for players to get up to speed after moving to England, add to that a good world cup meant he started pre-season late and La Liga started a week later anyway so all along his fitness work wasn't at the same level as the rest of the squad. This is also why, if you watch things back, he makes very few mistakes in the first half of any game all season, it was keeping his concentration and energy levels up in the 2nd half that let him down.
Add all that together and there's a fair case that he deserves another season, if he still cant'get up to speed then it's probably not going to happen for him but he's a good enough player that we should try. That's also why i don't agree with the idea of giving him a significantly longer break this summer, I'd give him an extra week and then get him back into full fitness work to build up.
Final point, picking out a single performance where the whole team were poor and using that to justify calling someone shite is pretty weak, that argument can probably apply to pretty much any footballer. Before you list all the rest of his poor performances re-read the bit above about him fading in the 2nd half and then see if it applies to the game you're thinking of.
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Sanchez is certainly good enough for the Premier League, whether he's suited to it or not it a question that will be answered next season and I think with him being the holding player in a very good Colombian team it's worth us showing patience and finding out before writing him off.
As for his performance at Arsenal, I've seen much worse. I always remember Ehiogu against Norwich, even next to the God himself he still looked like a pissed up pub footballer had snuck on to the pitch.
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Let's be honest, he was bloody awful at Arsenal but so was everyone else that day, otherwise we wouldn't have lost 5-0.
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I think Sanchez will be fine next season...especially with a better supporting cast.