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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Duncan Shaw on May 21, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
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There were strong rumours he would get a recall.
There are two relegated goalkeepers though :o
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Not a title you'd have expected three months ago.
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Good thing I think for now as whilst he has been good in the last 4/5 games players should do more to play international football. He needs to sign up with us and get his head down and work hard again at the start of next season.
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Good thing I think for now as whilst he has been good in the last 4/5 games players should do more to play international football. He needs to sign up with us and get his head down and work hard again at the start of next season.
Agree 100%
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He was also bad when hodgson went to the Southampton game
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
Tbf, I've always been strongly behind the premise that international caps should be earned as a result of good Club form, and not just for being part of the England "squad". The lad's played well of late. Good on him. And by the same measure, our Tom should've gotten a nod.
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
Tbf, I've always been strongly behind the premise that international caps should be earned as a result of good Club form, and not just for being part of the England "squad". The lad's played well of late. Good on him. And by the same measure, our Tom should've gotten a nod.
He's been ok (but nothing more) recently but he's still a striker who doesn't score goals. If you pick purely on the form of the last month or 2 (which is the only time Vardy has looked even a bottom half premier league player) then Gabby has as much of a shot as he was more effective than Vardy before his injury. The only saving grace is the fact that Berahino, Kane and Ings are all ahead of him but in the U21 squad instead.
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Jamie Vardy
Who?
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I had to check what team he played for.
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Not overly surprised about Cleverley.
I am about Vardy though. Has Hodgson really watched Leicester that much?
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I am about Vardy though. Has Hodgson really watched Leicester that much?
He's had him on his radar much longer than that:
"I watched him when he was still at Fleetwood and players who have that pace and desire to run in behind defenders are always interesting for coaches"
So either a) one of the first things he did as England manager was head off to watch a striker in the Conference or b) was scouting potential West Brom targets in the Conference.
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Jamie Vardy
Who?
Reg's lad.
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The only circumstances in which Jamie Vardy should get anywhere near the England squad is standing outside the gates of the training ground with his autograph book.
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I had to check what team he played for.
Ha! Indeed I had to look it up before putting something totally unwitty on Twitter earlier.
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Has Josh Stones retained his place
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Has Josh Stones retained his place
No. Same for his brother John.
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Grealish not called up for fear of pissing off Ireland fans, according to Woy.
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Has Josh Stones retained his place
No. Same for his brother John.
His uncle Flynn was also overlooked.
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Has Josh Stones retained his place
I had no idea she was still singing.
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Has Josh Stones retained his place
No. Same for his brother John.
His uncle Flynn was also overlooked.
Ha!
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Has Josh Stones retained his place
No. Same for his brother John.
At least John got into the U21 squad. Josh wasn't so fortunate.
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England call ups have long been a load of bollocks. The likes of welbeck and townsend now always get in regardless as to whether they have played 5 minutes of football or 5,000. I don't rate Hodgson much to be honest.
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Squad in full
Goalkeepers
Robert Green (Queens Park Rangers), Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley)
Defenders
Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United)
Midfielders
Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham Hotspur), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Forwards
Charlie Austin (Queens Park Rangers), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal)
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Squad in full
Goalkeepers
Robert Green (Queens Park Rangers), Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley)
Defenders
Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United)
Midfielders
Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham Hotspur), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Forwards
Charlie Austin (Queens Park Rangers), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal)
Damn that's weak.
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Rob Green, Joe Hart and Tom Heaton.
Wow.
Remember when we used to produce loads of good keepers?
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Mind you, the midfield options are way worse.
Midfielders
Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham Hotspur), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Obviously, Sir Fabian Of Delph is quality, but the rest ....
Townsend who hardly plays for Spurs in the league, Walcott who is always at best half fit, and Ryan fucking Mason?
Jordan Henderson is a Pound shop Steven Gerrard, and the only reason Lallana doesn't look the biggest waste of money last year is the presence of Dejan Lovren in the same team as him.
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Rob Green, Joe Hart and Tom Heaton.
Wow.
Remember when we used to produce loads of good keepers?
You beat me to it. Hart's decent but blimey the other two... Yes we used to produce loads of excellent keepers
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Jamie Vardy. LOL, as I believe the youngsters say.
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If Jamie Vardy can play for England, there's still hope for me.
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Rob Green, Joe Hart and Tom Heaton.
Wow.
Remember when we used to produce loads of good keepers?
You beat me to it. Hart's decent but blimey the other two... Yes we used to produce loads of excellent keepers
Reminded me of an old Bob Dylan song.
All these people that you mention
Yes, I know them, they’re quite lame
I had to rearrange their faces
And give them all another name
Right now I can’t read too good
Don’t send me no more letters, no
Not unless you mail them
From Relegation Row
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Mind you, the midfield options are way worse.
Midfielders
Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham Hotspur), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Obviously, Sir Fabian Of Delph is quality, but the rest ....
Townsend who hardly plays for Spurs in the league, Walcott who is always at best half fit, and Ryan fucking Mason?
Jordan Henderson is a Pound shop Steven Gerrard, and the only reason Lallana doesn't look the biggest waste of money last year is the presence of Dejan Lovren in the same team as him.
I've read that midfield list a few times and it gets shitter every time. I'll just add a little to what you put ... Ryan FUCKING Mason.
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You may mock, but defences all around the world are quaking with fear at the thought of facing
Charlie Austin (Queens Park Rangers), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal)
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It's not like England did anything back when they had plenty of experienced, top-class club players to choose from anyway.
At least with the relative mediocrity of the current talent pool, the focus (in theory at least) can be on developing a coherent system that gets the most out of the strengths of the squad (pace, industry, decent if not superb technically) instead of just trying to shoehorn as many big-name players into the first XI as possible.
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Wiltshire can't get in arsenals team and what has Barkley done later
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Wiltshire can't get in arsenals team and what has Barkley done later
Yes but they're the future of England's midfield, we've all been told that for ages despite both of them putting in 1 good performance in 5.
Barkley in particular I don't get the clamour for, he could be a good player in a few years but right now he's greedy, inconsistent and sulky. He needs to grow up and start dominating games for Everton then he'll be worth a look. I genuinely believe he makes Everton a weaker team when he plays right now. As with the strikers I think there's a better player in the U21 squad (Ward-Prowse).
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
Jesus weeps!
How many caps did Dennis, Gordon and Brian win?
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
More bookings than goals this season.
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
Jesus weeps!
How many caps did Dennis, Gordon and Brian win?
Between them - 11. None for Mortimer, 10 for Cowans and 1 for Little.
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
Jesus weeps!
How many caps did Dennis, Gordon and Brian win?
Between them - 11. None for Mortimer, 10 for Cowans and 1 for Little.
As much as they should've had more between them, the number and calibre of English midfielders in their time was much higher.
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The only thing Cleverley can now do is having two storming performances in the games he has left this season and prove Hodgson wrong for not picking him. And as ever with England there will be an injury and he can step in.
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I think we have a better chance of signing him if he doesn't get called up.
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You would have thought that would ground him a little bit however in this mad world his agent would probably tell him that it's because he plays for a "struggling" club conveniently ignoring that Delph is in the squad.
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
Jesus weeps!
How many caps did Dennis, Gordon and Brian win?
Between them - 11. None for Mortimer, 10 for Cowans and 1 for Little.
As much as they should've had more between them, the number and calibre of English midfielders in their time was much higher.
And that's one of the points I am trying to make that these days if you play regularly in a PL team you become England international the other point is I still think our boys should have had more caps because it's not as if those who were in front of them won anything for England in that era.
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Jamie Vardy in the squad? 4 league goals gets you in the England squad now, jeeze.
Jesus weeps!
How many caps did Dennis, Gordon and Brian win?
Between them - 11. None for Mortimer, 10 for Cowans and 1 for Little.
As much as they should've had more between them, the number and calibre of English midfielders in their time was much higher.
And that's one of the points I am trying to make that these days if you play regularly in a PL team you become England international the other point is I still think our boys should have had more caps because it's not as if those who were in front of them won anything for England in that era.
No, quite agree - particularly as two of them played in the best team in Europe.
The situation now shows up both sides of the problem - the dearth of quality English players getting game time and the fact that certain players, even if they're not playing well or playing at all, will always get a call up. How Wilshere and Walcott haven't had to do anything to earn a place back in the squad is staggering. But then if you apply that to every player out of form, who's out there to take all those places?
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It's like Townsend. He his a bit part player for Spurs yet makes the England squad because he's been decent in previous games. It takes away a spot from a form player like Cleverely who deserves to be in there purely on merit.
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If it wasn't for his St Mary's performance which Woy went to watch , he's in that squad is TC.
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If it wasn't for his St Mary's performance which Woy went to watch , he's in that squad is TC.
Yet he was also at the Everton game where Cleverley was not only brilliant but scored one of our goals of the season. That on the back of a string of very good performances. I would hope one bad team performance wasn't the deciding factor in not picking him and picking someone like Ryan Mason instead.
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Was Woy at the Everton game ? Don't recall that.
Remember back in the day when Cappello was virtually a ST holder down B6
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Hodgson has previously said that he wants players to be playing well for a sustained length of time before they get a call-up. Look at Delph - he was playing well for about a year before he got called up. Cleverley's only been playing well since Sherwood came in so he needs to continue with this form, hopefully with us. I imagine this point will be argued on the basis of other call-ups but other positions aren't as competitive.
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Fair enough as a theory for player selection. The fact is that he doesn't practice what he preaches.
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Have Lallana, Mason, Walcott, Townsend, Barkley been playing well consistently for the last couple of months? Just an excuse for Woy to use I reckon.