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Title: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2015, 05:00:06 PM
So West Ham lose next week and they'll probably end on 47 points but still 10th. This is a West Ham that's won what 2 games since December 20th or something ridiculous.
 
So I long for a season where nothing dramatic happens, we have plenty of good games, score lots of goals and finish 9th or 10th.
 
If we beat Burnley and finish on 41 the margin from where we finish to 10th might actually only be 6 or 7 points. This remember is a season where we couldn't score a goal in half our games and went on two long losing streaks.
 
What do we need apart from obviously keeping Benteke and having a takeover?
 
I think Sherwood's win or bust strategy will help us, we'll get the odd thumping every few months but we'll win plenty of games and teams like West Ham and Stoke certainly don't win every week but both have been very comfortable this season.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 16, 2015, 05:07:20 PM
If we can keep Benteke we'll certainly score goals with Sherwood's approach, but what we also need is a defence that doesn't gift goals - and with it points - at the alarming rate it currently does. In reality the whole back four and goalkeeper need replacing and, if that isn't possible, a specialist defensive coach to eliminate basic errors is a must.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2015, 05:09:16 PM
Our defence was awful today but so many other games it's been sloppy individual errors, even today the first two goals were squarely down to Vlaar not seeing danger.

Before today Spurs in 6th had actually conceded more goals than us so there's a lot to be said for this scoring goals approach.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 16, 2015, 06:10:33 PM
Two new full backs, maybe a new centre half and hopefully give Carles Gil a chance on the right with Grealish left and Benteke through the centre, should we manage to keep him.  If we can return to how we've played in the last month or so before today, we aren't that far away.  I'd say with the exception of Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd to a lesser extent, the others are average at best.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Ads on May 16, 2015, 06:14:23 PM
Agreed with the defence and indervidual errors. I thought a higher line today contributed to the shambles, but Vlaar has made numerous mistakes. It's hard to legislate for that other than to step up the quality.

I think a left back is a must as well as a keeper and centre half. Westwood was very poor today and I'm far from convinced by Sanzhez, so a quality holding player would be nice.

Attacking wise we seem to be ok with good pace and movement.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 16, 2015, 06:15:18 PM
Win more; lose fewer.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Steve67 on May 16, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
Perhaps not major surgery, as Sherwood has already said, but we do need a dominant keeper, central defender and midfielder. Another decent striker, instead of Gabby, wouldn't go amiss either. We have a decent side going forward but need an upgrade on the likes of Zog and Westwood.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2015, 07:36:38 PM
Mid-table mediocrity would do me fine next season.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Richard E on May 16, 2015, 07:38:10 PM
Mid-table mediocrity would do me fine next season.

Me too as long as we retain the FA Cup.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 16, 2015, 07:40:43 PM
This needs to be split into two plans. The with Tekkers and the without Tekkers plans
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 16, 2015, 07:49:42 PM
We definitely need a keeper , a left back, a centre half and to keep CB20. We also need to keep sherwood .
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: warleyboy on May 16, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
We need a quality CB with Okore,Clarke or baker to play and develop with.
New keeper a must.
Left and Right back.
A striker to partner Tekkers.
Cleverly n Sinclair to sign up, although bet they wondering after today.

Get rid of Vlaar, Given, Hutton, Lowton, cissoko, Senderos, gabby, Richardson.

Give Gil a run in pre season or maybe next week.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2015, 08:04:37 PM
Give Sherwood at least £25m and see what he can do with it. No more scratching around the bargain basements with £9m or so to spend.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2015, 08:05:22 PM
get in some more left footed defenders
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: peter w on May 16, 2015, 08:13:30 PM
Keeper - needed

Cech probably out of our reach

right full-back:

Trippier from Burnley

Centre-half:

Some one with a sharp turn of pace

Try and get Ailderweld (?) on loan at Southampton fro AT madrid

midfielder:

Someone to do what N'Zog isn't

Fer? And I'd also get Song from West Ham
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: junxs on May 16, 2015, 10:01:38 PM
Bit harsh saying we definitely need new keeper.
Guzan made one clanger, which keeper doesn't now and again? other than that he's a solid keeper.

Only 2 years ago he was voted fans player of the year ahead of a a 24 goals scoring Benteke.

Think when he comes back into the team he will come back stronger than before like Mignolet at Liverpool.

It would cost £8m+ to get a keeper better than Guzan, money which could be spent in a real crisis position like left back. I wouldn't write off Guzan just yet.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 16, 2015, 10:14:29 PM
Give Sherwood at least £25m and see what he can do with it. No more scratching around the bargain basements with £9m or so to spend.

This seems more than reasonable.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: peter w on May 17, 2015, 03:57:57 AM
As true as it is we definitely need a keeper as Given has shown he is now past it. There's no point going out and buying a number 2 for a goalkeeper who has in all fairness had a very poor season by his standards. Yes, he may have a better season next season. He may not. And if not I don't want to be in a position of relying on our number 2 whether it's Given or Steer. For that reason, and that's why its hard on the goalkeeper in any team, we need to freshen it up with someone coming in.

We do need a left-back but I wouldn't call it a crisis position. I think Cissokho's gone and Sherwood has already said that he'll have a look at Bennett when he's back. If he can be the marauding left full back that his promise showed (even if the performances largely did not) then no reason to get someone else in there.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: *shellac* on May 17, 2015, 04:32:45 AM
Try to beat the 11th-20th teams home and away?
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 17, 2015, 07:19:55 AM
We definitely need to tighten up at the back. A more constant back five would help. Clark is the one man I'd say is a certainty though that's assuming he maintains this form.
I think Hutton or bacuna are ok options at RB so it's the keeper,CB and LB positions we need to focus on

If we lose cissokho, senderos, and perhaps vlaar then so be it

The real challenge would be replacing benteke if we need to

Tim has never bought a player and all the signals are he's not keen on a director of football and does seem keen on lower league players. I hope we're not reliant on that route completely.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
The most important acquisition will be a defence coach. For 5 seasons at least we have defended with naïveté and ineptitude, particularly for set pieces.
Leicester have proved this season that tightening up the defence is the platform to a change in fortunes. We need to become difficult to beat, without losing our newly-found attacking capability.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: villan from luton on May 17, 2015, 08:16:30 PM
Try to beat the 11th-20th teams home and away?

That would be 60 points for starters
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: villan from luton on May 17, 2015, 08:18:56 PM
We definitely need to tighten up at the back. A more constant back five would help. Clark is the one man I'd say is a certainty though that's assuming he maintains this form.
I think Hutton or bacuna are ok options at RB so it's the keeper,CB and LB positions we need to focus on

If we lose cissokho, senderos, and perhaps vlaar then so be it

The real challenge would be replacing benteke if we need to

Tim has never bought a player and all the signals are he's not keen on a director of football and does seem keen on lower league players. I hope we're not reliant on that route completely.

You say he has never bought a player, yet then say he seems keen on lower league players. What makes you think that?
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 17, 2015, 08:51:32 PM
We definitely need to tighten up at the back. A more constant back five would help. Clark is the one man I'd say is a certainty though that's assuming he maintains this form.
I think Hutton or bacuna are ok options at RB so it's the keeper,CB and LB positions we need to focus on

If we lose cissokho, senderos, and perhaps vlaar then so be it

The real challenge would be replacing benteke if we need to

Tim has never bought a player and all the signals are he's not keen on a director of football and does seem keen on lower league players. I hope we're not reliant on that route completely.

You say he has never bought a player, yet then say he seems keen on lower league players. What makes you think that?

Press speculation and the fact that he was spotted in the crowd at Swindon.

I'd buy a partner for Benteke, Jovetic or someone of that ilk who can drop deep and be useful on the wings.  Succession planning for when he does leave, or in other words spending the money in advance of him leaving.  If we had two top strikers then I think that would get us into the top half.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: villan from luton on May 17, 2015, 08:57:47 PM
Yes, press speculation, he should have been at Barcelona and looking at Messi
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: villan from luton on May 17, 2015, 09:10:30 PM
I am worried that Benteke will be gone and that will be a big void to fill. However, I have confidence that the manager will have players in mind that will make us better. He has done great with the players so far, he will have players in mind that he may have been involved with before, but he seems the type of bloke people will want to play for. Lets hope his smooth talking can keep Benteke for another season
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: Legion on May 17, 2015, 09:11:46 PM
Agreed. I really hope we keep The Beast.
Title: Re: The How to finish in the top 10 next season thread.
Post by: villan from luton on May 17, 2015, 09:18:34 PM
Agreed. I really hope we keep The Beast.

If he keeps the beast, he can have the use of my beast as much as he wants, she seems to like him after hating football for 30 years lol
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