Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: fredm on March 06, 2015, 09:51:43 AM
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Does anyone else get the feeling that the media are more pro-Villa since Sherwood took over? Whether its because he is good for an upbeat press conference or just that he seems to have got the team playing on the front foot a bit more, but there seems to be a more positive attitude from the press and broadcasters recently. The other evening Jeff Stelling on Sky said numerous times during the broadcast, "it's a good night for Aston Villa with the bottom three teams losing."
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I think it's partially "Good TV" either way: We start to play well and have the great escape so they can fill up media with "Sherwood the Saviour" or we'll fail and then it'd be "Sherwood the Loser", so it's gonna be win-win for the media.
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He's great for a quote so the media will love him. He reminds me a lot of John Gregory in that sense. I honestly have no idea whether I'll feel like this in the long term, but at the moment it's a very welcome change from Lambert.
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Massively so.
The press love a narrative and right now the narrative is Tactics Tim- English, heart on sleeve, Kevin Keegan-alike with the best win ratio in the history of Tottenham Hotspur and harshly sacked for a forriner, saving Aston Villa from relegation.
It's enough to make you want us to go down.
(Its not!)
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If we continue to improve I'll give it 6 months before he's linked by the media to the England job. If he gets us to the final and wins the thing, less than that.
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As a journalist you would far prefer him to Lambert. Almost guaranteed to give you at least one good line to run with each time you speak to him.
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I agree. The pundit gang on BT the other night seemed really up for the Villa.
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Obvious difference is that Sherwood wears his heart on his sleeve and isn't afraid to show it, I can also understand what he says!
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5Live after the result on Tuesday night was all about Villa - Pat Murphy waxing lyrical about our great stadium and the atmosphere a full VP can generate.
Sherwood is good copy for them - I just hope he doesn't have any cause to make silly statements
He's from that Larndan innee, managed Tottnam dinnee
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Cockney gaffer. Cockney bias media. Coinsodence?
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He is from Hertfordshire isn't he? I think he puts on the Mockney accent a bit. He can talk like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for all I care so long as he keeps us up.
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Upper Norwood I thought...hence the Spuds song?
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Upper Norwood I thought...hence the Spuds song?
I refuse to believe that Upper Norwood exists anywhere outside of an Enid Blyton book.
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Upper Norwood.
Euphamism!
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Sorry, spelling error...euphEmism!
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Cockney gaffer. Cockney bias media. Coinsodence?
Coinsodence deserves to be a real word. The action of finding buried coins while doing something completely unrelated, perhaps...?
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Cockney gaffer. Cockney bias media. Coinsodence?
Coinsodence deserves to be a real word. The action of finding buried coins while doing something completely unrelated, perhaps...?
Or digging into your pocket and producing the exact coin you required.
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Has be refered to our great city as Birninham yet as most cockney sparrows do
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Cockney gaffer. Cockney bias media. Coinsodence?
Coinsodence deserves to be a real word. The action of finding buried coins while doing something completely unrelated, perhaps...?
Or digging into your pocket and producing the exact coin you required.
genius!
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Cockney gaffer. Cockney bias media. Coinsodence?
Coinsodence deserves to be a real word. The action of finding buried coins while doing something completely unrelated, perhaps...?
Or digging into your pocket and producing the exact coin you required.
genius!
Yes! I will be using coinsodence to describe exactly that from now on...
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There was a bit in the Fiver the other day about him which was quite good.
Had a great line about him running down the touchline when we scored, celebrating "like an ITV2 Mourinho". Excellent.
EDIT: this:
THE FIVER COOKS VILLA’S PREMIER LEAGUE GOOSE, BY WISHING TIM SHERWOOD ALL THE BEST
Everyone likes to see a big club get relegated, it’s the best part of football. What would be more satisfying than watching, say, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur all slipping down the divisions in the next couple of seasons? Nothing, that’s what! (Though we’d need at least Nottingham Forest and Nasty Leeds to finally come back up, so The Fiver still has some people to project its barely concealed feelings of inadequacy on to.) So most people, it’s fair to assume, will be fervently hoping to see relegation-haunted Aston Villa drop down to the second division. Nothing against the midlands giants per se, but you can’t have Big Cup on your CV if you want people to prefer you over Burnley, that’s just the way things work. They’ve made their bed, and now they’re thrashing about in it, crying. We have empathy.
Anyway, The Fiver had been firmly in this behemoth-baiting camp, waiting eagerly and impatiently for Villa to be reduced to second-tier status for the first time since 1987. And then something strange happened. Tim Sherwood became their manager. And there he is, being patronised to within an inch of his life by all and sundry for … well, what, exactly? Talking himself up in a few press conferences? Well, who doesn’t, and the man needed a job. Doing that cheesy oh-captain-my-captain routine with Emmanuel Adebayor during his time at Spurs? Hey, The Fiver’s a sucker for showy sentimentality, and what’s wrong with being nice and having a bit of fun. Celebrating goals by sprinting up and down the touchline like an ITV2 Mourinho? Well, what would folks rather he do, sit in the dugout with a grim look on his coupon, pompously scribbling in a notepad, pretending he’s above it all?
The poor man’s not even been allowed to wear a coat without getting it in the neck. So come on Tim. And you’ll have needed a heart of stone, or a season ticket at the Hawthorns or St Andrews, not to have been pleased for Sherwood on Tuesday night when West Brom keeper Ben Foster suffered a thundering nervous breakdown at Villa Park and gifted the hosts a precious injury-time victory. And a richly deserved one, given Villa were two goalline clearances and the width of a post away from taking a 4-0 half-time lead. The win ended a sequence of seven straight league defeats, and Sherwood ostentatiously checked his pulse at the final whistle. “When I left home my wife said she’d done the Euro lottery with a £54m jackpot but I said I’d take three points all the way,” he later simpered, hamming it up all the way. And good for him, for suddenly those points have catapulted Villa three clear of the drop zone, only one behind Sunderland, and a mere three behind Everton. [Fiver scribbles a couple of new names in notebook, then cuts and pastes opening paragraph with a view to renosing in three or four weeks’ time.]
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He is from Hertfordshire isn't he? I think he puts on the Mockney accent a bit. He can talk like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for all I care so long as he keeps us up.
He's from Boreham Wood in Hertfordshire. Spurs territory ( Ironic, given that Sherwood's an Arsenal fan). So he's only a "cockney" in the Greater Manchester sense
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I like him. He's positive, which, as you can imagine, I like.
The fact we apepar to be Tim Sherwood's Aston Villa doesn't bother me.
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He is from Hertfordshire isn't he? I think he puts on the Mockney accent a bit. He can talk like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for all I care so long as he keeps us up.
He's from Boreham Wood in Hertfordshire. Spurs territory ( Ironic, given that Sherwood's an Arsenal fan). So he's only a "cockney" in the Greater Manchester sense
I think he is an Arsenal fan. Herts is a mix of Spuds and Arse overspill
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He is from Hertfordshire isn't he? I think he puts on the Mockney accent a bit. He can talk like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for all I care so long as he keeps us up.
He's from Boreham Wood in Hertfordshire. Spurs territory ( Ironic, given that Sherwood's an Arsenal fan). So he's only a "cockney" in the Greater Manchester sense
I used to work for a company that had an office in Borehamwood - they called it their "London Office" and most of the locals supported either Spurs or Arsenal, with the odd Watford fan.
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There was a bit in the Fiver the other day about him which was quite good.
Had a great line about him running down the touchline when we scored, celebrating "like an ITV2 Mourinho". Excellent.
EDIT: this:
THE FIVER COOKS VILLA’S PREMIER LEAGUE GOOSE, BY WISHING TIM SHERWOOD ALL THE BEST
Everyone likes to see a big club get relegated, it’s the best part of football. What would be more satisfying than watching, say, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur all slipping down the divisions in the next couple of seasons? Nothing, that’s what! (Though we’d need at least Nottingham Forest and Nasty Leeds to finally come back up, so The Fiver still has some people to project its barely concealed feelings of inadequacy on to.) So most people, it’s fair to assume, will be fervently hoping to see relegation-haunted Aston Villa drop down to the second division. Nothing against the midlands giants per se, but you can’t have Big Cup on your CV if you want people to prefer you over Burnley, that’s just the way things work. They’ve made their bed, and now they’re thrashing about in it, crying. We have empathy.
Anyway, The Fiver had been firmly in this behemoth-baiting camp, waiting eagerly and impatiently for Villa to be reduced to second-tier status for the first time since 1987. And then something strange happened. Tim Sherwood became their manager. And there he is, being patronised to within an inch of his life by all and sundry for … well, what, exactly? Talking himself up in a few press conferences? Well, who doesn’t, and the man needed a job. Doing that cheesy oh-captain-my-captain routine with Emmanuel Adebayor during his time at Spurs? Hey, The Fiver’s a sucker for showy sentimentality, and what’s wrong with being nice and having a bit of fun. Celebrating goals by sprinting up and down the touchline like an ITV2 Mourinho? Well, what would folks rather he do, sit in the dugout with a grim look on his coupon, pompously scribbling in a notepad, pretending he’s above it all?
The poor man’s not even been allowed to wear a coat without getting it in the neck. So come on Tim. And you’ll have needed a heart of stone, or a season ticket at the Hawthorns or St Andrews, not to have been pleased for Sherwood on Tuesday night when West Brom keeper Ben Foster suffered a thundering nervous breakdown at Villa Park and gifted the hosts a precious injury-time victory. And a richly deserved one, given Villa were two goalline clearances and the width of a post away from taking a 4-0 half-time lead. The win ended a sequence of seven straight league defeats, and Sherwood ostentatiously checked his pulse at the final whistle. “When I left home my wife said she’d done the Euro lottery with a £54m jackpot but I said I’d take three points all the way,” he later simpered, hamming it up all the way. And good for him, for suddenly those points have catapulted Villa three clear of the drop zone, only one behind Sunderland, and a mere three behind Everton. [Fiver scribbles a couple of new names in notebook, then cuts and pastes opening paragraph with a view to renosing in three or four weeks’ time.]
Enjoyed reading that. "ITV2 Mourinho" is a very good description, I think Sherwood would probably like it himself.
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Thought he was from St. Albans
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Cockney gaffer. Cockney bias media. Coinsodence?
No coincidence whatsoever. It really does go to show how the media controls the narratives of football, the exposure of clubs and - ultimately - brand value. The whole business of football today is based on the whims of blokes in suits, sitting in (mainly) London offices.
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As others have said, at least TS is not a mumbling idiot who really hadn't a clue as to how us supporters felt with his drab football and then, describing it as excellent. My TV is definately safer now as no objects being thrown at it!!!
I love anyone that really wears their heart on their sleeve and, although sometimes a little over the top, give me Tim's enthusiam any day. If he keeps us up I think, given the work he can do with the players over the summer, we really could become a totally different side next season especially with a a few new signings.
I wish him all the best.
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After two years of getting our nuts hammered by one media outlet after another, I like the fact that (for whatever reason) the media is taking an interest in our team. This will have a positive effect as long as we are doing well. It can turn sour pretty quickly too if the results don't go well because he's a magnet in terms of quotes and he doesn't hide anything good or bad. While it is good let's enjoy it while at the same time pray the good lasts a long time.
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The title race is over, the usual suspects are top four. The only big story is the relegation battle and there's nothing interesting about the bottom three.
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Tim being media-friendly and accessible (and coherent) contributes greatly to the renewed media interest. As other's have stated, it could be the rags-to-riches story that journalists love too. All of which is vastly superior to the Lambert years where we were pretty much insignificant, it was as if the press had forgotten we existed. That is until they began to smell blood when the pressure on Lambert ramped up and he was subsequently sacked.
I suspect that once they have extracted all of the mileage that they can from the rise of TS/Villa, they will either ignore us again or start the dismantling job.
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Tim being media-friendly and accessible (and coherent) contributes greatly to the renewed media interest. As other's have stated, it could be the rags-to-riches story that journalists love too. All of which is vastly superior to the Lambert years where we were pretty much insignificant, it was as if the press had forgotten we existed. That is until they began to smell blood when the pressure on Lambert ramped up and he was subsequently sacked.
I suspect that once they have extracted all of the mileage that they can from the rise of TS/Villa, they will either ignore us again or start the dismantling job.
...or, if he does well with Villa, campaign for him to be Roy Hodgson's successor with England and then, once they've got him in the job, dismantle him.
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He is from Hertfordshire isn't he? I think he puts on the Mockney accent a bit. He can talk like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for all I care so long as he keeps us up.
He's from Boreham Wood in Hertfordshire. Spurs territory ( Ironic, given that Sherwood's an Arsenal fan). So he's only a "cockney" in the Greater Manchester sense
I used to work for a company that had an office in Borehamwood - they called it their "London Office" and most of the locals supported either Spurs or Arsenal, with the odd Watford fan.
His first club was Watford i know because i played against him twice in the FA cup when i was at Port Vale we held 1st division Watford to a 0-0 draw but lost the replay at watford, i belive he signed for them as an apprentice or yts as it was then and his first manager was Graham Taylor
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He is from Hertfordshire isn't he? I think he puts on the Mockney accent a bit. He can talk like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for all I care so long as he keeps us up.
He's from Boreham Wood in Hertfordshire. Spurs territory ( Ironic, given that Sherwood's an Arsenal fan). So he's only a "cockney" in the Greater Manchester sense
I used to work for a company that had an office in Borehamwood - they called it their "London Office" and most of the locals supported either Spurs or Arsenal, with the odd Watford fan.
His first club was Watford i know because i played against him twice in the FA cup when i was at Port Vale we held 1st division Watford to a 0-0 draw but lost the replay at watford, i belive he signed for them as an apprentice or yts as it was then and his first manager was Graham Taylor
How cool is this?
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He has got lovely teeth. They are either crock or he is a secret Osmond love child. You can tell a lot from teeth. He was clearly well brought up and did as he was told by caring parents (very normal in Upper Norwood). Probably has a healthy diet all in all pretty much all you could wish for in a manager.
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He is from Hertfordshire isn't he? I think he puts on the Mockney accent a bit. He can talk like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for all I care so long as he keeps us up.
He's from Boreham Wood in Hertfordshire. Spurs territory ( Ironic, given that Sherwood's an Arsenal fan). So he's only a "cockney" in the Greater Manchester sense
I used to work for a company that had an office in Borehamwood - they called it their "London Office" and most of the locals supported either Spurs or Arsenal, with the odd Watford fan.
His first club was Watford i know because i played against him twice in the FA cup when i was at Port Vale we held 1st division Watford to a 0-0 draw but lost the replay at watford, i belive he signed for them as an apprentice or yts as it was then and his first manager was Graham Taylor
How cool is this?
Some names in that side, tbh. I hope he's Bob Hazell. Fellaini, Willian, amateurs.
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He has got lovely teeth. They are either crock or he is a secret Osmond love child. You can tell a lot from teeth. He was clearly well brought up and did as he was told by caring parents (very normal in Upper Norwood). Probably has a healthy diet all in all pretty much all you could wish for in a manager.
...pays close attention to fine details, possibly bordering on the obsessive.
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I actually think this is one of the best aspects of appointing Sherwood as manager, even if it may have been a bit inadvertent. Having a man in charge who fosters so much good-will from the media not only is good for bringing a lift when we're playing well - it also stops public opinion and all of the media from getting on the back of the club when the chips are down.
For instance, look at how much stick we had over the goal drought over Christmas. It was such a joke that it spread beyond all the usual places - everyone knew about how long it had been since the Villa had last scored a goal. That constant, widespread criticism must surely have affected Lambert and by proxy the players! With the huge number of friends Sherwood has in the media, and the good-will he's been getting, I think a situation like that might not be as likely to happen with him as manager. As a result it might keep some pressure of the players and also change the mindset of fans going to games, which can only be a good thing. I think it's a happy, accidental side-effect of his appointment.
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It's not been easy loving the Villa these past years. To hear them denigrated by media and friends is like hearing your kids criticised. You and I know what makes Villa unique and special and I love it when even outsiders can recognise it too. If Sherwood plays his part in restoring our reputation then frankly, he can come from Mars. McLeish, Houllier and Lambert might have failed recently but they have always paid due respect to this great club. It isn't clear what Sherwood's destiny is but I'm hopeful he will also be similarly enchanted.
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Think it is quite common for such a young manager with a bubbly personality to capture the media's attention. It is very early of course, if things go horrible wrong for Sherwood and he retreats into his shell then you could see the media turning on him, or maybe having less interest. Whats interesting is that Jose isn't half the character nowadays as he was during his early reign in England and as such the media seem a little harder on him, or don't quite rave about him in the same way. So it is partly an older managers thing. Although there are plenty of older managers with interesting personalities.
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Tim being media-friendly and accessible (and coherent) contributes greatly to the renewed media interest. As other's have stated, it could be the rags-to-riches story that journalists love too. All of which is vastly superior to the Lambert years where we were pretty much insignificant, it was as if the press had forgotten we existed. That is until they began to smell blood when the pressure on Lambert ramped up and he was subsequently sacked.
I suspect that once they have extracted all of the mileage that they can from the rise of TS/Villa, they will either ignore us again or start the dismantling job.
I'm always wary of media darlings after the MON love affair.
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I would settle for three sixth places on the trot but without the financial carnage of course.
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I would settle for three sixth places on the trot but without the financial carnage of course.
3 seasons like that and we would be getting pissed off at not being good enough to make the Champions League.
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True. And moaning about paying Jack Grealish £100k a week.
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Have a butchers at this if you haven't yet; an enjoyable read I found:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2982852/Tim-Sherwood-play-small-club-need-b-play-Aston-Villa.html#ixzz3TeVfaIOq
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Enjoyed that, thanks.