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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Vic the Villian on February 15, 2015, 09:29:56 PM
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who do you want? I would love Wilkins but would he come, any ideas
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Ugo Ehiogu. Current Spurs u-21 manager.
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George Ramsay as DOF.
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who do you want? I would love Wilkins but would he come, any ideas
No!
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I am sure that Friedel would have been consulted about T'S suitability and would assume he would be rewarded with the keeper role.
Would like to see someone with a villa connection like Ugo or laursen
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Didier Agathe
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Who was with Sherwood whilst at Spurzzz?
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I would like to see Friedel involved.
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I don't understand this Villa connection thing and I doubt whether Sherwood will give a rats arse for it either.
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No need for any connections. Just bring in the best coaches and get on with it.
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Who was with Sherwood whilst at Spurzzz?
Ramsay and Ferdinand. Both at QPR.
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I think he could do with some experience alongside him. It's going to be a tough few weeks. Someone who has done it before.
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I don't understand this Villa connection thing and I doubt whether Sherwood will give a rats arse for it either.
We simply need the best he can get and can work well with...we've only got 13 games to sort it out!
If the best have Villa connections fine, but if not I won't give a rat's arse either.
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I think he could do with some experience alongside him. It's going to be a tough few weeks. Someone who has done it before.
The good news is, it won't be Hoddle. They don't get on.
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cannot see Ugo Ehiogu leaving his under 21 job, but we do need a back room staff that knows the ropes
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Martin Laursen for sure. Just finished all his badges and would love to come back.
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Martin Laursen for sure. Just finished all his badges and would love to come back.
Good shout.
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Laursen Ugo and Brad would be a strong team.
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If les and Ramsey are tied up could he retain the Marshall twins?
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I think he could do with some experience alongside him. It's going to be a tough few weeks. Someone who has done it before.
Warnock any one? ;)
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If les and Ramsey are tied up could he retain the Marshall twins?
I am sure he could as currently they are Villa employees and will have to dismissed once Sherwood has his own team.
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Need a couple of Villa Men who understand the club and its traditions, leaders who can inspire the players and galvanise the support.
Send for Big Eck and Lamb Tikka Balti.
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cannot see Ugo Ehiogu leaving his under 21 job, but we do need a back room staff that knows the ropes
Christian Grey?
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cannot see Ugo Ehiogu leaving his under 21 job, but we do need a back room staff that knows the ropes
Christian Grey?
We are lucky we've not Christian Gross
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I think he could do with some experience alongside him. It's going to be a tough few weeks. Someone who has done it before.
Warnock any one? ;)
He is free for our next game at least after his sending off at Reading yesterday, but after that I don't know.
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cannot see Ugo Ehiogu leaving his under 21 job, but we do need a back room staff that knows the ropes
Jeffrey Fourmile?
Sorry. I thought you said someone that knows the Ropers.
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I think he could do with some experience alongside him. It's going to be a tough few weeks. Someone who has done it before.
The good news is, it won't be Hoddle. They don't get on.
That's really good news and another reason to like TS.
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Maybe Ugo is on the agenda as was with Spurs when Sir Tim there and he has a good reutation
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The Marshalls are ok as defensive and goalkeeper coaches. At half-time I wondered about having Shearer coach the forwards, with Shearer and Sherwood being team-mates at Blackburn when they won the title. We have a decent squad when you look at it, they just need to be coached as to how attack. Shearer said it himself, they look like they don't know what they're supposed to be doing, where to go and resort to long ball tactics.
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The most important thing is they're chosen on ability and what they can offer rather than whether they've ever played for us.
I see that Craig Bellamy was among those who did their Pro Licence with Sherwood in Wales last year, but not sure if he's working anywhere... or if he's any good as a coach of course!
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Who was he sat with today?
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Who was he sat with today?
Tom Fox, so no clues there.
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The Marshalls are ok as defensive and goalkeeper coaches. At half-time I wondered about having Shearer coach the forwards, with Shearer and Sherwood being team-mates at Blackburn when they won the title. We have a decent squad when you look at it, they just need to be coached as to how attack. Shearer said it himself, they look like they don't know what they're supposed to be doing, where to go and resort to long ball tactics.
Good shout but sadly I think the only way Shearer would show up at Villa with a smile if it was to cover our relegation. He still seems to almost visibly wince when he talks about us. Not that I blame him mind, I imagine that was a hard day to be on the wrong end of, just as it was pretty funny to be on our end.
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Who was he sat with today?
Tom Fox, so no clues there.
Who was the bloke on the other side of Sherwood, high-fiving Fox?
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Who was he sat with today?
Tom Fox, so no clues there.
Who was the other one?
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I mentioned Friedel on the other thread - he'd make sense as a liked and respected ex-Villa player, as a professional, and as someone who seems to be calm and collected balancing out Sherwood's exuberance. This article from last year suggests he has ambitions in that direction, but doesn't yet have his badges.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2544079/Brad-Friedel-practices-yoga-prolong-career-targets-management-Sportsmail-visits-Spurs-keeper-training.html
He'd also be a decent backup keeper, but not sure we'd need both him and Shay Given (who might also make a decent coach).
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Who was he sat with today?
Tom Fox, so no clues there.
Who was the other one?
Paddy our head of recruitment apparently.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Stan involved somewhere
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Who was he sat with today?
Tom Fox, so no clues there.
Who was the other one?
Paddy O'Reilly
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Stan said he doesn't want to be last week. I think Stan is happy doing what he is doing from the way he was talking.
Ugo would be a decent shout as he has a growing reputation and worked with Sherwood before
I can see Given becoming a player coach possibly. Sherwood and he were at Blackburn together all that time ago so may have a trust already.
I would not keep Scott Marshall if I was Sherwood, simply due to him being so clearly aligned to Lambert. I would want a clean slate, but he has done a good job with the defence in fairness to him.
We need an experienced man in as number 2 most importantly.
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Gary Neville as assistant
Laursen and/or Ugo plus another couple of coaches. Not the Marshalls though, I think we need to clean house after the Lambert debacle.
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Laursen Ugo and Brad would be a strong team.
Agreed. Make it so.
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Wilkins is on a cushy no somewhere in the Middle East, coach of Jordan national team I think. Probably got 2-3 years contract on a kings ransom
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Who was he sat with today?
Tom Fox, so no clues there.
Who was the other one?
Paddy O'Reilly
He didn't look like a Paddy O'Reilly. I expect a Paddy O'Reilly to look rough and ready. He looked like a contestant off Blockbusters.
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Rumours surfacing that Sherwood will name Swindon Assistant Manager, Luke Williams as his number 2.
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A GK coach, defensive coach, midfield coach and attacking coach.
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Rumours surfacing that Sherwood will name Swindon Assistant Manager, Luke Williams as his number 2.
Never heard of him. Seems to be very well thought of though. Could be a decent addition if we get him.
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I'm not all that overly enamoured at coached coming in with Villa experience as it's more important we get the right person(s) in for the right positions. I couldn't care less if they're currently at The Shit, Kidderminster, or Shenley Radford as long as they are qualified and the right person for the right job.
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Can't quite believe Marshall consulted Lambert for advice before the match yesterday. You could see a typical Lambert set-up and tactics in the first-half. Thank god Sherwood intervened at half- time. The club needs to eradicate any Lambert influence.
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amen to that
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I hope Sherwood says that a coaching team will be brought in as Legion described above, not just an assistant.
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It is alleged that the issue of his own team was the biggest stumbling block at the Bitters. Pearce did not want to pay for TS own men and insisted on using the staff already there.
They since changed their stance as Pulis demanded the same thing
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Rumours surfacing that Sherwood will name Swindon Assistant Manager, Luke Williams as his number 2.
Never heard of him. Seems to be very well thought of though. Could be a decent addition if we get him.
Sherwood has connections with Swindon as they are Spurs "feeder club". A lot of Spurs young players who Sherwood was in charge of went/go there on loan so obviously he has had a fair bit of working with Williams.
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Sherwood has just said that he hasn't thought yet on his back room staff but it sounded as though he may be bringing in his own people.
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Need a couple of Villa Men who understand the club and its traditions, leaders who can inspire the players and galvanise the support.
I don't think we do. Most football people understand the club and will learn any history they feel they need to pretty quickly. We just need bloody good coaches to get the team playing to it's full potential. That in itself will galvanise the support.
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The nostalgic Romantic in me would want people with Villa connections but its one of the least important aspects I think. The key with the back room staff if to have people who the manager can trust.
As much as we all love Laursen (and I believe he will return one day) the fact that he has no relationship with Sherwood would rule him out I'd say. With Friedel, whilst he would know Sherwood he isn't yet a coach so wouldn't necessarily be a good option.
The Ugo option however is interesting, I don't know how well they know each other however the Spurs connection aligned with the fact that Ugo has worked alot with younger players (which is one thing that Sherwood has been asked to push) could give him the edge.
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Don't look like Luke Williams is going to be brought in
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-new-boss-tim-8654337
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Need a couple of Villa Men who understand the club and its traditions, leaders who can inspire the players and galvanise the support.
I don't think we do. Most football people understand the club and will learn any history they feel they need to pretty quickly. We just need bloody good coaches to get the team playing to it's full potential. That in itself will galvanise the support.
What he said. I don't see how being Villa men would help anyone be a better coach
I don't care who they are or where they come from as long as they understand football and how to win matches
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When questioned about Williams by the media at his first press conference this morning, Sherwood said: “(Williams) is at Swindon and is in a five-year contract. You’ll never get him out. It’s a non-starter.”
It's frustrating that as a business we invest so much on players yet we don't see the importance of investing in the best backroom staff. If Williams is the man Sherwood really wants, why don't we go and get him?
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who do you want? I would love Wilkins but would he come, any ideas
No!
And another NO
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who do you want? I would love Wilkins but would he come, any ideas
No!
And another NO
Yes
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When questioned about Williams by the media at his first press conference this morning, Sherwood said: “(Williams) is at Swindon and is in a five-year contract. You’ll never get him out. It’s a non-starter.”
It's frustrating that as a business we invest so much on players yet we don't see the importance of investing in the best backroom staff. If Williams is the man Sherwood really wants, why don't we go and get him?
I somehow think if Sherwood wants him, money wouldn't necessarily be the problem, but would the guy want to leave his current role with a successful team who could be promoted and playing Villa next season if the worst happened at B6, although I am still thinking we will escape if they continue playing like the second half yesterday.
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When questioned about Williams by the media at his first press conference this morning, Sherwood said: “(Williams) is at Swindon and is in a five-year contract. You’ll never get him out. It’s a non-starter.”
It's frustrating that as a business we invest so much on players yet we don't see the importance of investing in the best backroom staff. If Williams is the man Sherwood really wants, why don't we go and get him?
I somehow think if Sherwood wants him, money wouldn't necessarily be the problem, but would the guy want to leave his current role with a successful team who could be promoted and playing Villa next season if the worst happened at B6, although I am still thinking we will escape if they continue playing like the second half yesterday.
Boz, Williams is First Team Coach at League One, Swindon bloody Town! You'd probably get change out of £150k if you paid out his 5 year contract. I'm very happy that Sherwood wants to bring in both an Assistant and a First Team Coach, especially if there's any truth to Ramsey being "the brains" behind his success at Spurs. My point is as we've seen over the last 9+ years, it would be great to stop asking the question, "I wonder what they do at Bodymoor Heath".
I hoping Sherwood realises he's got a great opportunity to make a name for himself at Villa and will make sure he convinces Tom Fox that the best are worth paying for, whether that be Williams or whoever he wants. Football is no longer just about the manager's personality, we need to make sure we give him every opportunity to succeed both in the short term and the following seasons.
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When questioned about Williams by the media at his first press conference this morning, Sherwood said: “(Williams) is at Swindon and is in a five-year contract. You’ll never get him out. It’s a non-starter.”
It's frustrating that as a business we invest so much on players yet we don't see the importance of investing in the best backroom staff. If Williams is the man Sherwood really wants, why don't we go and get him?
I somehow think if Sherwood wants him, money wouldn't necessarily be the problem, but would the guy want to leave his current role with a successful team who could be promoted and playing Villa next season if the worst happened at B6, although I am still thinking we will escape if they continue playing like the second half yesterday.
Boz, Williams is First Team Coach at League One, Swindon bloody Town! You'd probably get change out of £150k if you paid out his 5 year contract. I'm very happy that Sherwood wants to bring in both an Assistant and a First Team Coach, especially if there's any truth to Ramsey being "the brains" behind his success at Spurs. My point is as we've seen over the last 9+ years, it would be great to stop asking the question, "I wonder what they do at Bodymoor Heath".
I hoping Sherwood realises he's got a great opportunity to make a name for himself at Villa and will make sure he convinces Tom Fox that the best are worth paying for, whether that be Williams or whoever he wants. Football is no longer just about the manager's personality, we need to make sure we give him every opportunity to succeed both in the short term and the following seasons.
Agreed
I always used to think that clubs never baulk at the ridiculous player costs, salaries as well as transfer fees, but never did the same with Managers (who one could say is the most important person at the club). The coaching staff should be the same
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Need a couple of Villa Men who understand the club and its traditions, leaders who can inspire the players and galvanise the support.
I don't think we do. Most football people understand the club and will learn any history they feel they need to pretty quickly. We just need bloody good coaches to get the team playing to it's full potential. That in itself will galvanise the support.
What he said. I don't see how being Villa men would help anyone be a better coach
I don't care who they are or where they come from as long as they understand football and how to win matches
Exactly. The whole "they're Villa men" thing is a total red herring.
I don't care if they're covered in Small Heath tattoos so long as they're really good coaches.
It is also an argument which totally overlooks the recent coaching history of Sir Gordon Cowans.
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I can see a bigger role for coaching staff for Shay Given and Gordon Sidney Cowans, Add Ugo or Laursen and Mellberg for defensive coaching staff and a former striker and a winger and then it should be sorted. Not sure who should be our forward coach.
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Not necessarily a fan of the Villa connection, runs the risk of clouding previous achievements if it goes wrong. I reckon Ugo could get a call though.
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Need a couple of Villa Men who understand the club and its traditions, leaders who can inspire the players and galvanise the support.
I don't think we do. Most football people understand the club and will learn any history they feel they need to pretty quickly. We just need bloody good coaches to get the team playing to it's full potential. That in itself will galvanise the support.
What he said. I don't see how being Villa men would help anyone be a better coach
I don't care who they are or where they come from as long as they understand football and how to win matches
I was taking the piss. As you would've realised if ChrisW1 hadn't only quoted half my post.
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Like some others have said, I don't think "Villa connection" should be requirement. As long as they're good professionals, they should do good work.
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Pongo Waring, William Scattergood and Wolfie.
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I mentioned Friedel on the other thread - he'd make sense as a liked and respected ex-Villa player, as a professional, and as someone who seems to be calm and collected balancing out Sherwood's exuberance. This article from last year suggests he has ambitions in that direction, but doesn't yet have his badges.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2544079/Brad-Friedel-practices-yoga-prolong-career-targets-management-Sportsmail-visits-Spurs-keeper-training.html
He'd also be a decent backup keeper, but not sure we'd need both him and Shay Given (who might also make a decent coach).
A decent backup keeper? Are you serious? He's pushing 44 years of age.
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The only thing that matters is whether they're good or not and how we are to know that at this stage? Would you rather have someone who was Villa through and through but didn't have a clue about coaching?
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I can see a bigger role for coaching staff for Shay Given and Gordon Sidney Cowans, Add Ugo or Laursen and Mellberg for defensive coaching staff and a former striker and a winger and then it should be sorted. Not sure who should be our forward coach.
Do you honestly think they're the best coaches for the job because that's what I want and certain believe Sherwood needs?
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sherwood brings in a completely new staff tailored to his requirements.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sherwood brings in a completely new staff tailored to his requirements.
Yup, his comment "what's best for the club" gave me that impression, Ron. An experienced man as his Assistant and the best Coach money can buy would help calm my nerves over his appointment.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Good point Dave. Know where you're coming from.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
I read in one of the online rags this morning that Sherwood and Sid are pals. So if true, it is highly unlikely.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Sid is U21 Coach, I would hope Sherwood has his attention focused on more important issues than the U21s.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Sid is U21 Coach, I would hope Sherwood has his attention focused on more important issues than the U21s.
I hope he's focused on everything.
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who do you want? I would love Wilkins but would he come, any ideas
I bloody hope not. Never been successful elsewhere for a sustained period
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Sid is U21 Coach, I would hope Sherwood has his attention focused on more important issues than the U21s.
Agreed. There are some things that need immediate attention, that isn't one of them.
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The production line has simply not been the same since people like Money and MacDonald left in my opinion and therefore root and branch change is absolutely needed.
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I hope he is allowed to make the decisions he feels are critical to the club devoid of any attachment or emotion. Sid has been a part of the coaching staff through some of the worst years in recent memory. He's not to blame for all of it off course but what influence has he had on correcting it? If Sid isn't part of the future on the coaching front it won't stop him from being 100% Villa. I want what is best for the club at all levels and therefore the best coaches.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Sid is U21 Coach, I would hope Sherwood has his attention focused on more important issues than the U21s.
I hope he's focused on everything.
I don't, I want him to focus on the first team and be judged by what he can do with them. Change for the sake of change is never the right answer. I'd much prefer to see our 'manager' more as a 'Head Coach' with the obvious PR duties, supported by a knowlegeable DoF on recruitment but with the final say.
To give somebody with such limited experience such a major say in the U21s, Academy, etc would be foolish, not to mention giving him far too much control over the club. We all know what happens when you do that. I expect him to be interested in the youth but I don't see it as his mandate. Quite the opposite.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Sid is U21 Coach, I would hope Sherwood has his attention focused on more important issues than the U21s.
I hope he's focused on everything.
I don't, I want him to focus on the first team and be judged by what he can do with them. Change for the sake of change is never the right answer. I'd much prefer to see our 'manager' more as a 'Head Coach' with the obvious PR duties, supported by a knowlegeable DoF on recruitment but with the final say.
To give somebody with such limited experience such a major say in the U21s, Academy, etc would be foolish, not to mention giving him far too much control over the club. We all know what happens when you do that. I expect him to be interested in the youth but I don't see it as his mandate. Quite the opposite.
To be fair, Sherwood has been the director of the youth academy at Spurs for a fair while, so he does have experience in that - it's been pretty good there, too!
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Sherwood has been director of an academy that currently has 3 players in the Spurs first team including the top English scorer in the top division. I want his input in the u21s straight away! The club have said they want to bring more through. Part of his appeal is his academy record to the board.
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Pongo Waring, William Scattergood and Wolfie.
ITK alert,
Wolfie was there on sunday, he sat a few seats away from me in the corner bit between the Holte and DE stand (witton)
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Granted that there are more pressing concerns but I would like to see a blueprint developed that is implemented at every level of the club.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
He actually kind of does going by his record with the U21s. Sorry Sid!
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No room for sentiment when you're in the bottom 3 with 13 games to go.
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We don't need to change coaching staff outside first team until end of May and we should focus on first team changes.
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Sherwood has been director of an academy that currently has 3 players in the Spurs first team including the top English scorer in the top division. I want his input in the u21s straight away! The club have said they want to bring more through. Part of his appeal is his academy record to the board.
All that time Sherwood was Academy Director "the top English scorer in the top division" was out on loan. He deserves credit for giving him a chance in the first team, I have no doubt but let's not start inventing reasons why he's so brilliant and clever and should write the blueprint on the future development of Aston Villa. I'm sure he can certainly contribute but right now I want him to focus on keeping us up. He even hinted himself that he won't be looking to the youth to solve the problems of the first team in the near future.
Poor bloke has a chat with the players for a few minutes and we start making a never ending list of things we want him to do. He's under enough pressure as it is. Let's not throw away the baby with the bath water until we have a much better understanding of exactly who he is because right now, I don't think anybody rightly knows, other than he's not McLeish Lambert.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
I agree. Our backroom staff has badly needed refreshing for a long time. We need some proven coaches.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
I agree. Our backroom staff has badly needed refreshing for a long time. We need some proven coaches.
As far as we know there is still the advert for a DoF out there. My guess/hope is that the U21s would primarily fall under the DoF's remit. Obviously Sherwood can and will have a say, but his energies and time should be focused on the first team, especially in the immediate future.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Did they play together at Blackburn?
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sherwood brings in a completely new staff tailored to his requirements.
I'd hope so. I'm surprised when managers don't do that, as the other coaches need to be such that they complement the manager's weaknesses.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
Unlikely, he mentioned in his interview he knows Sid from his playing days and thinks very highly of him.
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I think most would feel that if he's good enough as a coach in the opinion of Sherwood then he should stay, but don't keep him just out of any sentimental reason.
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The one thing we must not let happen again, is what has just happened, for what ever reason Paul Lambert was not pressurized into having an Assistant and also very few numbers behind the scenes, i.e. no attacking coach, what we were left with when we sacked him was no kind of structure to guide the club, so an appointment ( I believe they have that right) had to be made very very quickly, even though I do believe he was sussed out a long time ago. If he was our Plan A and it did not work, there is a need for a structure to be in place, ot just left to the likes of the two Marshalls.
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Sid is the least of our worries at the moment. Tinkering with the u21's is not the priority at this critical time for the club.
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That was quick.....gone already!
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4495003,00.html
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Blimey! New broom approach or what!?
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Lerner at BMH today apparently.
Flying visit, leaving this afternoon.
A twatter rumour said he was here, that Marshall was leaving and that new coaches about to be appointed.
2 out of 3 so far.
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He must have someone lined up....even Timbo is not so arrogant to believe he can do all coaching and managing :-X
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The under 21 set up has hardly pulled up any trees in terms of producing players who make an impact when they get a chance in the first team or even that stand out when on loan to lower level clubs. Other clubs, - e.g. Southampton, Everton and Liverpool,- have been more successful at that in the last few years. So with all due respect to Sid I reckon we could, and need to, do better at that level.
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The facts of footballing life in the 21st century are that a new manager means a new coaching team. I just hope that they all hit the ground with a Boltesque sprint.
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It may sound heretical, but in a way I would be heartened if he got rid of Sid. Not that he deserves to be sacked but it would show that Sherwood is creating a new backroom staff from top to bottom and isn't afraid of making unpopular decisions.
I agree. Our backroom staff has badly needed refreshing for a long time. We need some proven coaches.
As far as we know there is still the advert for a DoF out there. My guess/hope is that the U21s would primarily fall under the DoF's remit. Obviously Sherwood can and will have a say, but his energies and time should be focused on the first team, especially in the immediate future.
The advert for DoF is still out there. Search for Nolan Partners on the web and go to "current roles" page and you will see it 2/3 down the list.
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S Marshall gone now.
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I can't help but feel sorry for the bloke but, it goes with the territory. Such is the tenuous life in football. It must be difficult for spouses and children having to uproot and relocate when they are settled, presuming they live in the area.
Anyway, thanks Scott and all the best in your next employment.
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Marshall was dead as soon as he revealed he was going to call Lambert before the Leicester game and still refers to him as "the boss"
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I agree TV but, it's not unusual for people to turn to previous mentors for advice however bad or incompetent that mentor may be/been, whatever walk of life/profession. Marshall's term with the Villa was terminal from the minute Lambert was sacked.
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Thanks for the help Scott and good luck in the future.
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He was good at organising the defence so I hope we don't go from one extreme to the other. Sherwood needs his team in or he will be on his own coaching the squad.
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I can't help but feel sorry for the bloke but, it goes with the territory. Such is the tenuous life in football. It must be difficult for spouses and children having to uproot and relocate when they are settled, presuming they live in the area.
Anyway, thanks Scott and all the best in your next employment.
I endorse those sentiments. Hope you find work soon.
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Thanks for improving the defence.
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for a while !
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Marshall was dead as soon as he revealed he was going to call Lambert before the Leicester game and still refers to him as "the boss"
You can't really blame him as he knew Lambert is his long term security.
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Marshall was dead as soon as he revealed he was going to call Lambert before the Leicester game and still refers to him as "the boss"
You can't really blame him as he knew Lambert is his long term security.
Oh I don't blame him, but it helped seal his fate at the club.
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So has Marshal got a 100% win record as a manager of a premiership club
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Marshall was dead as soon as he revealed he was going to call Lambert before the Leicester game and still refers to him as "the boss"
You can't really blame him as he knew Lambert is his long term security.
Oh I don't blame him, but it helped seal his fate at the club.
Didn't he say that he hadn't been into (the Boss) Lambert's office since he'd left as well?
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No! He got a draw in the first half.
Not sure he can claim anything further;-)
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Normally I would recoil at ex players getting work back at a club where they made their name. Especially at Villa where it has hardly ever worked, apart from Vic Crowe that is. But I don't mind Ugo coming back he appears to have forged a decent reputation at Tottenham. Has an air of authority and speaks well, so I believe.
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Marshall was dead as soon as he revealed he was going to call Lambert before the Leicester game and still refers to him as "the boss"
Agreed. It was foolish to let this be known even if felt he needed PL's advice. He was pretty much giving up on any role with Mr Sherwood. There can only be one 'boss'.
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I feel for the bloke, if his future recruitment is based on lamberts next role - it could be a long wait
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Lerner at BMH today apparently.
Flying visit, leaving this afternoon.
A twatter rumour said he was here, that Marshall was leaving and that new coaches about to be appointed.
2 out of 3 so far.
same bloke tweeting (twatting) - big rumours about Hoddle !!
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Lerner at BMH today apparently.
Flying visit, leaving this afternoon.
A twatter rumour said he was here, that Marshall was leaving and that new coaches about to be appointed.
2 out of 3 so far.
what username on twitter?
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Normally I would recoil at ex players getting work back at a club where they made their name. Especially at Villa where it has hardly ever worked, apart from Vic Crowe that is.
Eric Houghton? Brian Little? John Gregory? (and Ron Atkinson at a push?)
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Normally I would recoil at ex players getting work back at a club where they made their name. Especially at Villa where it has hardly ever worked, apart from Vic Crowe that is.
Eric Houghton? Brian Little? John Gregory? (and Ron Atkinson at a push?)
Allan Evans and Andy Gray as coaches too ?
UTV
The Doc
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Lerner at BMH today apparently.
Flying visit, leaving this afternoon.
A twatter rumour said he was here, that Marshall was leaving and that new coaches about to be appointed.
2 out of 3 so far.
what username on twitter?
Appreciate its twatter with all the usual caveat about being bollox etc :-)
@Beno1917 - I'm at Bodymoor Heath this morning.Gateman's confirmed Scott Marshall's left today.Lerner is here & couple of new coaches.No names yet.#avfc
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Normally I would recoil at ex players getting work back at a club where they made their name. Especially at Villa where it has hardly ever worked, apart from Vic Crowe that is. But I don't mind Ugo coming back he appears to have forged a decent reputation at Tottenham. Has an air of authority and speaks well, so I believe.
A few more than Vic Crowe I think. He Who Walks On Water did pretty well. Gregory's spell wasn't too bad either, and don't forget that the last time we won the Cup, Eric Houghton was manager.
Edit - sorry TopDeck, see you beat me to it.
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Oops! I should have given that a bit more thought. Eric Houghton may have been a Villa great as a player but if you take out the Cup win he was not a success as a manager.
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Oops! I should have given that a bit more thought. Eric Houghton may have been a Villa great as a player but if you take out the Cup win he was not a success as a manager.
TAKE OUT THE CUP WIN?????? It makes any Villa manager a success. A demi-god. He had an achievement to his name by which "success" is measured, namely that he actually won something!
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Oops! I should have given that a bit more thought. Eric Houghton may have been a Villa great as a player but if you take out the Cup win he was not a success as a manager.
TAKE OUT THE CUP WIN?????? It makes any Villa manager a success. A demi-god. He had an achievement to his name by which "success" is measured, namely that he actually won something!
Expressed incorrectly. I should have said he was not a success in the league as a manager. Would you agree with that?
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I recommend Kevin Nugent of Leyton Orient. Thoroughly nice bloke and likes pint pf real ale. Wonderful Irish parents and relatives whom I met once. I think they thought I played for the O's at some stage. Seriously he is a dedicated football man and is the back bone of the backroom there. It'd be hard to dislodge him but..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Nugent_%28footballer%29
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@John__Percy: Tim Sherwood is set to appoint former Mark Robson as first-team coach at Aston Villa. Robson left Norwich in November #avfc
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@John__Percy: Tim Sherwood is set to appoint former Mark Robson as first-team coach at Aston Villa. Robson left Norwich in November #avfc
Is that the guy who played for Charlton?
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@John__Percy: Tim Sherwood is set to appoint former Mark Robson as first-team coach at Aston Villa. Robson left Norwich in November #avfc
Who is he now he is no longer Mark Robson then?
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Never heard of him, but according to wiki, he managed Barnet for 13 games - W 0 D 3 L 10!
And he didn't last long as Norwich assistant - June to November 2014!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Robson_%28footballer%29
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Bleeding hell, he doesn't stay at places long does he
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don't want any more staff from Norwich thanks.
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Looks like some kind of falling out at Norwich. Had something to do with England u17 too, so may be recruited for knowledge of youth football
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Seems he may have had a bit of a falling out with Adams at Norwich.
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Had something to do with England u17 too, so may be recruited for knowledge of youth football
That would make more sense. He's certainly not the man I've imagined we'd bring in as First Team Coach.
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He's ok, he's done a stint a couple of times at Exeter City. My four kids were born in Exeter. Cracking city. He must be alright!
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Seems still a number 2 to arrive. This guy seems to not stay long at places so may be a short term measure until Ramsey is either free or not.
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Asked my friend, a Norwich fan if Robson was any good. His reply:
Terrible. Sorry. We sacked him after an appalling run and some adverse reaction to poor training. Adams followed shortly after but we were/are better without him.
Phelan replaced him, that's the type of person you need. The difference was immediate.
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I'm getting a bad feeling and I don't know why.
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His CV isn't too encouraging is it? Still give him a chance, you never know.
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We don't know what capacity he is here in either. I would hope the assistant appointment will be the main brains behind the coaching. And this guy may only be a stop gap.
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As someone said over the weekend Lerner wants to sell so cant see him spending a lot of money on backroom staff that a new owner will not want.
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That's a bit underwhelming.
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It's not Lerner spending money though is it. We can't be that flat broke that the club can't pay for its own staff.
I understood the whole point of the cost cutting was to help the club become 'self sufficient'
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We don't know what capacity he is here in either. I would hope the assistant appointment will be the main brains behind the coaching. And this guy may only be a stop gap.
Exactly, all this constant fucking moaning about everything is getting a bit tiresome
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I'd imagine that the moaning is due to four or five years of relatively constant disappointment. I agree though, we do tend to think the worst thing in the world to happen to the football club is lurking around the corner.
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I'm getting a bad feeling and I don't know why.
Me too...... Shudder
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Let's win a few games and then no-one will give a flying fcuk who's sitting on the bench.
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Let's win a few games and then no-one will give a flying fcuk who's sitting on the bench.
Spot on.
It would be fair to assume Sherwood may wait until the summer to see if he can get Ramsay in before deciding his long term team, and until then he has to focus on winning 4-6 football matches.
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Sid ?
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Let's win a few games and then no-one will give a flying fcuk who's sitting on the bench.
yep. It's a first team coach we are discussing which PL clubs have a number of. This role is very much in the background and shouldn't even be a significant topic of conversation. Having said that I think this is all part of a renewed interest in the club and new manager. We win Saturday and the sun comes out and Mark Robson is forgotten very quickly.
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There has to be a place for Glenn Roeder.
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Mark Robson as first team coach apparently!
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It's not Lerner spending money though is it. We can't be that flat broke that the club can't pay for its own staff.
I understood the whole point of the cost cutting was to help the club become 'self sufficient'
What sort of money would an assistant manager and other back-room staff expect to earn ?
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There has to be a place for Glenn Roeder.
Someone has to wash the kit
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Clean the boots.
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I'm getting a bad feeling and I don't know why.
Me too...... Shudder
That's no Moon.
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There has to be a place for Glenn Roeder.
Burried under a slab outside the Trinity?
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It's a first team coach we are discussing which PL clubs have a number of. This role is very much in the background and shouldn't even be a significant topic of conversation. Having said that I think this is all part of a renewed interest in the club and new manager. We win Saturday and the sun comes out and Mark Robson is forgotten very quickly.
After reading that I just had to check the date to make sure you posted it in 2015 and not 1915.
As for Mark Robson, the biggest positive I can see from his CV is he obviously thinks Neil Adams is an arse who knows little about football and the importance of tactics.
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It's a first team coach we are discussing which PL clubs have a number of. This role is very much in the background and shouldn't even be a significant topic of conversation. Having said that I think this is all part of a renewed interest in the club and new manager. We win Saturday and the sun comes out and Mark Robson is forgotten very quickly.
After reading that I just had to check the date to make sure you posted it in 2015 and not 1915.
As for Mark Robson, the biggest positive I can see from his CV is he obviously thinks Neil Adams is an arse who knows little about football and the importance of tactics.
you've lost me on the whole 1915 thing. It's 2015 and in the grand scheme of things hiring a first team coach should be a "who gives a fuck moment?"
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One of the biggest failings of lambert was a seeming lack of adequate coaching, so I think it's pertinent that it is addressed.
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As for Roeder...isn't he highly thought of behind the scenes? I think we could do a lot worse.
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One of the biggest failings of lambert was a seeming lack of adequate coaching, so I think it's pertinent that it is addressed.
I think if Sherwood simply hires an actual coach and not nuts or bullies it will be a massive step forward from Lambert.
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There has to be a place for Glenn Roeder.
Burried under a slab outside the Trinity?
Not under mine
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It's a first team coach we are discussing which PL clubs have a number of. This role is very much in the background and shouldn't even be a significant topic of conversation. Having said that I think this is all part of a renewed interest in the club and new manager. We win Saturday and the sun comes out and Mark Robson is forgotten very quickly.
After reading that I just had to check the date to make sure you posted it in 2015 and not 1915.
As for Mark Robson, the biggest positive I can see from his CV is he obviously thinks Neil Adams is an arse who knows little about football and the importance of tactics.
you've lost me on the whole 1915 thing. It's 2015 and in the grand scheme of things hiring a first team coach should be a "who gives a fuck moment?"
Funny, that. Less than a week ago you said it was "absolutely critical" we bring in the right coaching staff, now you don't give a fuck.
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I was always under the impression that Roeder was well thought of as a coach, probably could do much worse.
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It's a first team coach we are discussing which PL clubs have a number of. This role is very much in the background and shouldn't even be a significant topic of conversation. Having said that I think this is all part of a renewed interest in the club and new manager. We win Saturday and the sun comes out and Mark Robson is forgotten very quickly.
After reading that I just had to check the date to make sure you posted it in 2015 and not 1915.
As for Mark Robson, the biggest positive I can see from his CV is he obviously thinks Neil Adams is an arse who knows little about football and the importance of tactics.
you've lost me on the whole 1915 thing. It's 2015 and in the grand scheme of things hiring a first team coach should be a "who gives a fuck moment?"
Funny, that. Less than a week ago you said it was "absolutely critical" we bring in the right coaching staff, now you don't give a fuck.
I don't think he's saying that its not important. More that we don't know who's a good coach or not so how can we rush to judgments?
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Surely we just got let the new boss settle in and trust who he picks. I haven't got a clue what makes a good coach, it's certainly not all about a name and how good footballer they were.
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It's a first team coach we are discussing which PL clubs have a number of. This role is very much in the background and shouldn't even be a significant topic of conversation. Having said that I think this is all part of a renewed interest in the club and new manager. We win Saturday and the sun comes out and Mark Robson is forgotten very quickly.
After reading that I just had to check the date to make sure you posted it in 2015 and not 1915.
As for Mark Robson, the biggest positive I can see from his CV is he obviously thinks Neil Adams is an arse who knows little about football and the importance of tactics.
you've lost me on the whole 1915 thing. It's 2015 and in the grand scheme of things hiring a first team coach should be a "who gives a fuck moment?"
Funny, that. Less than a week ago you said it was "absolutely critical" we bring in the right coaching staff, now you don't give a fuck.
I don't think he's saying that its not important. More that we don't know who's a good coach or not so how can we rush to judgments?
Precisely. And I said staff and not judging just an individual which people are doing. I'm glad you were bright enough to understand that. In the grand scheme of things the topic of a first team coach hiring is irrelevant. It is how does that person work as part of an overall staff.
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I don't think he's saying that its not important. More that we don't know who's a good coach or not so how can we rush to judgments?
But we do have some testimony from fans who've experienced this coach, and once again the testimony isn't promising (I've asked a Norwich friend of mine about Robson, and his response was to make a face and shake his head in apparently disgusted silence).
Why do people think Villa exist in a vacuum? This 'give him a chance' meme which goes around (and how am I meant not to give them a chance? Boo when we score?) seems to imply that previously incompetent people might suddenly become everything we want them to be when they walk through the door at B6. Robson doesn't have the best reputation (to put it mildly), so it's another appointment for me to be underwhelmed by.
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Because you are taking the opinion of fans about a coach as opposed to a professional about a coach. How does any fan really know what a coach does? We might see clips of what they do, but do we ever see what they do the rest of the day? Their preparation and study outside of the view of the cameras? I don't dismiss anything entirely but I am always going to be skeptical of fans views on coaches because we don't really see how much or little they do. The manager is much more public, much more visible and accountable by comparison.
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Because you are taking the opinion of fans about a coach as opposed to a professional about a coach. How does any fan really know what a coach does? We might see clips of what they do, but do we ever see what they do the rest of the day? Their preparation and study outside of the view of the cameras? I don't dismiss anything entirely but I am always going to be skeptical of fans views on coaches because we don't really see how much or little they do. The manager is much more public, much more visible and accountable by comparison.
We know plenty about Robertson and Walford as coaches, and most clubs are actually considerably less secretive than we are about this sort of thing. The Norwich fans tend to hear about what happens on their training ground (this same fan told me, as it happens, that one good thing about Lambert was that training sessions during the week would be geared to that week's opposition - we didn't see much of that at Villa, but Norwichers did) and Robson did not leave with his reputation enhanced.
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All I know is that the coaching role is pretty important in the scheme of things. Therefore, now that TS has made his first appointment there should rightly be scrutiny on the way that we play - particularly our attacking and our use and defence of set pieces; three areas of our play that have been piss-poor.
I know nothing about Robson; so, let's see in the next couple of games.
TS knows that the stakes are high: we need a result on Saturday, so he'd better have got this right.
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Because you are taking the opinion of fans about a coach as opposed to a professional about a coach. How does any fan really know what a coach does? We might see clips of what they do, but do we ever see what they do the rest of the day? Their preparation and study outside of the view of the cameras? I don't dismiss anything entirely but I am always going to be skeptical of fans views on coaches because we don't really see how much or little they do. The manager is much more public, much more visible and accountable by comparison.
So why were we so happy to jump on Culverhouse and Karsa when things started to go wrong?
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Because you are taking the opinion of fans about a coach as opposed to a professional about a coach. How does any fan really know what a coach does? We might see clips of what they do, but do we ever see what they do the rest of the day? Their preparation and study outside of the view of the cameras? I don't dismiss anything entirely but I am always going to be skeptical of fans views on coaches because we don't really see how much or little they do. The manager is much more public, much more visible and accountable by comparison.
So why were we so happy to jump on Culverhouse and Karsa when things started to go wrong?
Because they were bullying people and generally acting like complete wankers.
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It's a first team coach we are discussing which PL clubs have a number of. This role is very much in the background and shouldn't even be a significant topic of conversation. Having said that I think this is all part of a renewed interest in the club and new manager. We win Saturday and the sun comes out and Mark Robson is forgotten very quickly.
After reading that I just had to check the date to make sure you posted it in 2015 and not 1915.
As for Mark Robson, the biggest positive I can see from his CV is he obviously thinks Neil Adams is an arse who knows little about football and the importance of tactics.
you've lost me on the whole 1915 thing. It's 2015 and in the grand scheme of things hiring a first team coach should be a "who gives a fuck moment?"
Funny, that. Less than a week ago you said it was "absolutely critical" we bring in the right coaching staff, now you don't give a fuck.
I don't think he's saying that its not important. More that we don't know who's a good coach or not so how can we rush to judgments?
Precisely. And I said staff and not judging just an individual which people are doing. I'm glad you were bright enough to understand that. In the grand scheme of things the topic of a first team coach hiring is irrelevant. It is how does that person work as part of an overall staff.
You talk in riddles, TV. One minute it's so important, the next it's irrelevant. Now it's some bubbling excuse of how that person works as part of the overall staff? I wish you'd make your mind up. It would appear you prefer to bury your head in the safe knowledge that anybody would be better than Lambert's coaches. How shortsighted is that?
Remember Bibs and Cones and how most of us questioned what the hell went on at Bodymoor Heath? Culverhouse and that other idiot? The Marshall Twins? I'd say the appointment of a First Team Coach is a major appointment, especially when you have a manager nicknamed 'Tactics Tim' by his previous club or are you relying on Sherwood's personality to see us develop as a club? Great motivator he may be, a breath of fresh air we most certainly need but you don't have to be that bright to understand the importance of the role.
Don't you remember saying "Bring in a good coaching staff and prove us wrong Tim." Football has moved on so far that like in any other business, you need the best leaders in the field to compete, nevermind win things. For too long we've accepted whatever we're thrown and not questioned why we keep getting it wrong, why we have no football philosophy other than hoof and counter attacking.
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I agree we were and if this guy is here long term let's hope he is better than his cv, or is little more than a gopher for better qualified assistant manager.
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Because you are taking the opinion of fans about a coach as opposed to a professional about a coach. How does any fan really know what a coach does? We might see clips of what they do, but do we ever see what they do the rest of the day? Their preparation and study outside of the view of the cameras? I don't dismiss anything entirely but I am always going to be skeptical of fans views on coaches because we don't really see how much or little they do. The manager is much more public, much more visible and accountable by comparison.
So why were we so happy to jump on Culverhouse and Karsa when things started to go wrong?
Because they were bullying people and generally acting like complete wankers.
So, we do sometimes find out what happens with in the backroom, you're saying? I completely agree.
If all my Norwich friend of mine had said was 'oh he fell out with Adams, but it was all going to hell anyway and the results weren't good' then who knows, maybe it was all just a mix-up. However, what he said (after the disgusted silence) was that Robson's training sessions were famously terrible, trying only to do the most PE-teacher basics and failing even then. That doesn't make me optimistic.
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Has it been confirmed that Robson's joined the coaching staff yet? I've only seen a Twitter post but nothing official.
With Norwich, the same fans that said Robson was useless also acknowledged that Adams left not long after that. So it goes back to TV's point about judging something by it's whole rather than sum of the parts. Clearly Norwich didn't have an upturn in fortunes when Robson left so if Robson did join as part of a 4 or 5 person first team coaching staff, could we as outsiders judge 1 person (other than the manager, who is ultimately responsible) by what we see on the pitch?
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I can't be arsed with a quotathon. I am not saying coaching isn't important. What I am saying is evaluating a coach with limited information in isolation is less relevant than as part of a complete coaching structure. None of us know what specific role he will hold, who of the existing first team coaches will remain and who else Sherwood will recruit for first team duties. I'd rather we waited to see what Robson will specifically do than judge him on what he has done in the past elsewhere and the views of fans who had limited interaction with what he did.
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I can't be arsed with a quotathon. I am not saying coaching isn't important. What I am saying is evaluating a coach with limited information in isolation is less relevant than as part of a complete coaching structure. None of us know what specific role he will hold, who of the existing first team coaches will remain and who else Sherwood will recruit for first team duties. I'd rather we waited to see what Robson will specifically do than judge him on what he has done in the past elsewhere and the views of fans who had limited interaction with what he did.
Well obviously, we'll all do that. I'm just saying that his reputation is not exactly that of someone who'll cancel out Sherwood's weaknesses - in fact, it sounds like he might exacerbate them.
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Doesn't matter anyway, we are getting "the coach formerly known as Mark Robson" not Mark Robson.
He could be just entering his psychedelic phase.
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With all due respect Monty.. Bore off. You have made your point.
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With all due respect Monty.. Bore off. You have made your point.
Hoppo steady on. No need for that. We can disagree and still be friends.
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With all due respect Monty.. Bore off. You have made your point.
With all due respect, wind your neck in or find somewhere else to post.
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Mark robson may be relatively unknown but I'd put money on him being a better choice than either Karsa or Culverhouse
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It could well be a stop gap appointment like someone suggested, but in the meantime, I hope he comes in and makes a difference.
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I cant believe I was so disrespectful to Monty. It was a moment of madness for which I can only apologise.
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Edit: not getting involved.
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I remember when Bibs and Cones coached us into the best team in the country at defending set pieces (1 goal conceded), and the next season the vastly superior (according to many on H&V) coaching regime of GH coached the same players into the worst team in the country at defending set-pieces (27 goals conceded).
So I'm not sure what constitutes evidence of crap coaching on here because that didn't for quite a few posters.
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So, it's still not happened yet? Mark Robson that is? Probably Twitter crap.
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Isn't a coach only as good as the ideas he is told to implement? Sherwood plans training and it's down to the coaches to put it into practice. I assume there will be room for the injections of ideas, but if a manager is telling his staff we're to play a particular way then that's what they'll do.
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I remember when Bibs and Cones coached us into the best team in the country at defending set pieces (1 goal conceded), and the next season the vastly superior (according to many on H&V) coaching regime of GH coached the same players into the worst team in the country at defending set-pieces (27 goals conceded).
So I'm not sure what constitutes evidence of crap coaching on here because that didn't for quite a few posters.
It did for me Percy. We also lost our ability to score from set pieces too that same year (IIRC as I was in China)
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So, it's still not happened yet? Mark Robson that is? Probably Twitter crap.
According to the photos on Twitter, Mark Robson has been taking training the last two days.
I can't confirm its him, as I have no clue what he looks like, but he is a coach I haven't seen before
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This is him. I haven't noticed him in any of the pics the club have posted.
(http://www.pinkun.com/polopoly_fs/1.3016478.1384900365!/image/826023144.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/826023144.jpg)
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So, it's still not happened yet? Mark Robson that is? Probably Twitter crap.
According to the photos on Twitter, Mark Robson has been taking training the last two days.
I can't confirm its him, as I have no clue what he looks like, but he is a coach I haven't seen before
Sure it's not Paddy Reilly? Bloke seems to be turning up everywhere!
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No, that's Paddy Reilly's elbow, he's standing next to him.
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This is him. I haven't noticed him in any of the pics the club have posted.
(http://www.pinkun.com/polopoly_fs/1.3016478.1384900365!/image/826023144.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/826023144.jpg)
Have a look at the photos on the OS from Sherwood's first day training. The final photo with 3 balls at Sherwood's feet - in the background there's a coach that looks like it could be him but too blurred to make out. The rumour of Robson joining was broke by Press Association Sport, I assume a trusted source.
Maybe Clampy is right and he's just helping out until Sherwood gets his team together.
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It could be him, but it's too blurry to tell for sure.
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You would think, if he was the number 2, or a more prominent member of the team, there would have been an announcement.
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So, it's still not happened yet? Mark Robson that is? Probably Twitter crap.
According to the photos on Twitter, Mark Robson has been taking training the last two days.
I can't confirm its him, as I have no clue what he looks like, but he is a coach I haven't seen before
Sure it's not Paddy Reilly? Bloke seems to be turning up everywhere!
It is the new Villa version of 'Where's Wally'? 'Spot Paddy' and win season ticket for next year.
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So, it's still not happened yet? Mark Robson that is? Probably Twitter crap.
According to the photos on Twitter, Mark Robson has been taking training the last two days.
I can't confirm its him, as I have no clue what he looks like, but he is a coach I haven't seen before
Sure it's not Paddy Reilly? Bloke seems to be turning up everywhere!
That's what I thought and it reminded me of that film where there are too many Malkovitches. Ubiquitous, he is.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Being_John_Malkovich_poster.jpg)
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So, it's still not happened yet? Mark Robson that is? Probably Twitter crap.
According to the photos on Twitter, Mark Robson has been taking training the last two days.
I can't confirm its him, as I have no clue what he looks like, but he is a coach I haven't seen before
Sure it's not Paddy Reilly? Bloke seems to be turning up everywhere!
who is this paddy Reilly everyone keeps going on about?
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So, it's still not happened yet? Mark Robson that is? Probably Twitter crap.
According to the photos on Twitter, Mark Robson has been taking training the last two days.
I can't confirm its him, as I have no clue what he looks like, but he is a coach I haven't seen before
Sure it's not Paddy Reilly? Bloke seems to be turning up everywhere!
That's what I thought and it reminded me of that film where there are too many Malkovitches. Ubiquitous, he is.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Being_John_Malkovich_poster.jpg)
being jonathan Fear
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Still nothing on the OS so possibly he is just helping Sherwood out for a week. If he looks as if he could make a difference Sherwood would no doubt recommend he is added to the payroll.
Of course he may not be there at all.
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These aren't the coaches you are looking for
(http://www.wcssaa.ca/obi-wan.jpg)
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Mark Robson, Regional Director UK Trade & Investment tells @richardstead Chinese students in Yorkshire spend 50k every year they're in UK.
Really confused now!
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Teddy Sheringham as assistant manager would be a good call and might improve us as an attacking force as he has at WHU.
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Teddy Sheringham as assistant manager would be a good call and might improve us as an attacking force as he has at WHU.
we'l probably end up with Cascarino instead
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Teddy Sheringham as assistant manager would be a good call and might improve us as an attacking force as he has at WHU.
we'l probably end up with Cascarino instead
Bravo sir, bravo.
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New backroom staff (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4500465,00.html)
PWS: Edited to include the correct link
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Seamus Brady appears to have previously been with spurs.
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Performance analyst, eh? Did we even have a performance analyst previously? I don't know if he's any good, but merely having someone to do that job is an improvement IMO.
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Performance analyst, eh? Did we even have a performance analyst previously? I don't know if he's any good, but merely having someone to do that job is an improvement IMO.
I think that was Paddy Reilly's role before head of recruitment?
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Seamus Brady appears to have previously been with spurs.
A Redknapp appointment.
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Think he actually pre-dates 'arry. Linky (http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=142587)
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Think he actually pre-dates 'arry. Linky (http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=142587)
You're right. Different source but I've read that one too. Good article on what he does. I'm just delighted it's not the bloke from Hollyoaks.
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It's interesting that redknapp was so into player analysis. Kind of goes against the "just run around a bit" image that's portrayed. It's also encouraging that it's a sherwood appointment, it would suggest similar.
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Performance analyst, eh? Did we even have a performance analyst previously? I don't know if he's any good, but merely having someone to do that job is an improvement IMO.
I think that was Paddy Reilly's role before head of recruitment?
Now I thought he was with us as a scout, then he buggered off to be a scout at Liverpool before coming back to us as Head of Recruitment.
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I think Gary Karsa did pretty much the same job when he was here.
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Performance analyst, eh? Did we even have a performance analyst previously? I don't know if he's any good, but merely having someone to do that job is an improvement IMO.
I think that was Paddy Reilly's role before head of recruitment?
Now I thought he was with us as a scout, then he buggered off to be a scout at Liverpool before coming back to us as Head of Recruitment.
I thought Lambert's brother-in-law's role was to sit around watching videos all day.
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Ah right. That wasn't his job description though, was it? Though to be honest I can't remember.
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I wonder what the salary is for a first team coach/performance analyst?.
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Welcome lads
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Perhaps Mark's job is just temporary job until end of season or until the coaching staff get hired or it is a trial for Mark to see if he can work with Tim and our players and see if he is right coach for us or not.
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Performance analyst, eh? Did we even have a performance analyst previously? I don't know if he's any good, but merely having someone to do that job is an improvement IMO.
I think that was Paddy Reilly's role before head of recruitment?
I could be wrong, but I thought we brough Reily back from Liverpool into his new role, so we haven't had a stats man for a while, if ever.
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Never heard of them and thats just fine. Sherwood is entitled to get in his own people.
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Performance analyst, eh? Did we even have a performance analyst previously? I don't know if he's any good, but merely having someone to do that job is an improvement IMO.
I think that was Paddy Reilly's role before head of recruitment?
I could be wrong, but I thought we brough Reily back from Liverpool into his new role, so we haven't had a stats man for a while, if ever.
That's what I thought. I regard this as a positive move, then. Not so keen on Robson, but I like the look of Brady.
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I think with Robson, it is someone he knows, someone he trusts and someone who can follow instructions as he builds his backroom team.
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Most backroom people aren't in the news. There are one or two with good reputations, such as Steve Clarke, Brian Kidd but most aren't really that well known. Which is fine.
It's the manager that is judged by his results. I'd have thought Sherwood would know a lot of people given his time with the youngsters at Spurs.
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Latest press conference Sherwood revealed he was still looking for a right hand man. Didn't want someone for the short term .
Could be we won't see anyone in until the summer.
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Latest press conference Sherwood revealed he was still looking for a right hand man. Didn't want someone for the short term .
Could be we won't see anyone in until the summer.
Are we also trying to recruit a DOF at the moment?
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My guess is he'll wait I until Ramsay is free in the summer.
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Was it just me, or that Tony Fernandes interview on SSHQWTFOMG sounded very much like Ramsay is probably going to be there for the longer haul. I only copped a couple of minutes of it though.
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Timehhh mentioned 'the Krypton Factor!'
I was a little underwhelmed at the appointment but this guy just gets better and better. No seriously, I'm happy he referenced that show.
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Latest press conference Sherwood revealed he was still looking for a right hand man. Didn't want someone for the short term .
Could be we won't see anyone in until the summer.
Chris ramsey probably, he can come now for me as long as he doesn't try to crack any of his unfunny jokes
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Kevin MacDonald mentioned on twitter
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My guess is he'll wait I until Ramsay is free in the summer.
Yesterday Ramsey dismissed teaming up again with Sherwood. He's more than happy at QPR.
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My guess is he'll wait I until Ramsay is free in the summer.
Yesterday Ramsey dismissed teaming up again with Sherwood. He's more than happy at QPR.
He'll change his tune if he gets binned in the summer. I imagine one half big name out in the summer and Fernandes will go for it.
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Anyone know who the 1st team coach is at Chelseas without looking it up?
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Anyone know who the 1st team coach is at Chelseas without looking it up?
Why would we care? Caring about who our coaches are doesn't mean we have to know every coach at other clubs.
Now Sherwood on the other hand should know about most of the coaches at most of the clubs in the top 2-3 leagues and should have an idea of which he could work with who can complement his weaknesses because it's part of his job to know that.
The fans are interested this time because we've had 2 1/2 years of being woefully short of coaching and it has shown on the pitch, so expecting the new manager to sort that out is perfectly reasonable.
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That and there's not been much on the pitch to talk about for a while.
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Ex-Arsenal great reveals he would consider Villa coaching role
Former Arsenal defender Martin Keown has told the Daily Mail that he would consider a coaching role at Aston Villa if it were offered to him by new manager Tim Sherwood.
Although Keown says that he is enjoying his media commitments at the moment, he admits that the chance to play a more hands-on role again would be an appealing one.
"I don't think you should ever say never," he responded when asked whether he would take a Villa coaching role in one of his weekly 'TackleKeown' sessions. "If someone wants to offer you the chance to go back in the game you have to look at it.
"I always envisaged I would go back, but the longer it goes on the less likely it seems. I couldn’t fit it in now, with all my media work. the choice would have to be made. But I wouldn't dismiss it.
"I was with Villa in the 80s and we were relegated in my first season. It’s a huge club with a huge history. If the call came, I’d think about it."
Sherwood was only appointed as Villa manager last week, but he has already begun to make wholesale changes to the backroom staff at the Midlands side.
Villa parted ways with Scott Marshall this week, meaning that goalkeeping coach Andy Marshall is the only member of Paul Lambert's coaching team who remains at the club.
Sherwood has brought in Mark Robson and Seamus Brady to work alongside him so far and it seems that more arrivals will occur in the future.
Whether one of those will be Keown remains to be seen, but Sherwood may wish to consider it now that the ex-Gunner has seemingly admitted he would be interested.
Keown has coached at Arsenal whilst studying for his badges and his experience of playing at the top level could be considered vital by Sherwood.
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The return of K-Mac (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4503196,00.html)
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The return of K-Mac (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4503196,00.html)
Didn't see that coming
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Happy with that.
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Welcome back Kev..
UTV
The Doc
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He's fairly well regarded as a coach, isn't he?
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I'm sure there are better candidates out there but im happy enough with that.
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Good move, very pleased with that appointment.
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Welcome back Mac, i don't think anybody seen that one coming!
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Lads will know him from before. Wonder if that was Sherwood's pick or nudged in his direction by Tom Fox?
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Huh. Interesting move. I like him, at any rate.
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K-Mac is a good example of how a very good coach will no necessairly make a good manager.
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Good move, very well liked guy.
For a brief moment thought it was McAllister, not that I'd have had a problem with him either actually.
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He seemed to become a little disillusioned by some things at the club but he was very well respected by the players. This is a really clever move by Sherwood. He talked yesterday about the value that someone like Sid has in knowing the "fabric" of the club. KMac is a lot like that and the players will see this as a very positive step. I like the fact that Sherwood has admitted he can't do everything and bringing in all new people can have its challenges. Now he has two well respected coaches with a history with the club along with two new ones.
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Sorry if this has already been covered, but have the existing staff left the club? I thought Scott Marshall did a decent job in his role as defensive coach and certainly sorted out our inability to defend set pieces.
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Pleased with this.
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Scott Marshall has left.
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Sorry if this has already been covered, but have the existing staff left the club? I thought Scott Marshall did a decent job in his role as defensive coach and certainly sorted out our inability to defend set pieces.
Scott Marshall left a couple of days ago. I think Andy Marshall is still there though.
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I see this as good news, as long as the chemistry between TS and KMac is there - do they know each other / have they worked together before?
Let's hope we get the benefits quickly on the pitch.
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Happy with that. He's a coach, first and foremost and will help fill the void providing Sherwood listens to him, which I'm sure he will if he's smart. Seems to be a good balance now with Mr Motivator and Mr Football.
Welcome back, Kevin.
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Smart move by Tim.
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Good to see him back. I think he really has been missed these past few years. Always seemed to be well respected at the club.
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Good appointment. He's a source of experience and he knows a lot of the players. I imagine Sid recommended him. Let's hope he gets playing like we did when he took charge of the West Ham home game a few years ago and not like the Newcastle away game.
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Very good move by Mr Sherwood.
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Kevin Macdonald has returned to AVFC as Tim Sherwoods number 2. Very clever and thoughtful appointment in my view
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Great news!
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Being discussed here (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=53653.0).
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Really pleased with this
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Excellent move, well done Sherwood.
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Good move. He knows the club. He's worked with a lot of the players. He's also a good guy.
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Happy with that. He's a coach, first and foremost and will help fill the void providing Sherwood listens to him, which I'm sure he will if he's smart. Seems to be a good balance now with Mr Motivator and Mr Football.
Welcome back, Kevin.
The key thing here is that didn't bring him in as a first team coach or Reserve coach but as his Assistant Manager. This now makes him a really important member of his backroom team. In the press conference yesterday he said this appointment had to be done with a long term approach, but good for the club and for him.
At the risk of getting carried away, Sherwood has done more smart and positive things in one week, starting at HT vs Leicester than Lambert appeared to do in the past 6 months.
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Happy with that. He's a coach, first and foremost and will help fill the void providing Sherwood listens to him, which I'm sure he will if he's smart. Seems to be a good balance now with Mr Motivator and Mr Football.
Welcome back, Kevin.
The key thing here is that didn't bring him in as a first team coach or Reserve coach but as his Assistant Manager. This now makes him a really important member of his backroom team. In the press conference yesterday he said this appointment had to be done with a long term approach, but good for the club and for him.
At the risk of getting carried away, Sherwood has done more smart and positive things in one week, starting at HT vs Leicester than Lambert appeared to do in the past 6 months.
Thank you Mr Logic.
I see The Guardian read your posts. ;)
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Interesting very interesting!
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Is Andy Marshall the full time keepers coach now? I remember he rejoined temporarily to cover Terry Gennoe who was ill....can't remember reading that the situation had changed?
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Happy with that. He's a coach, first and foremost and will help fill the void providing Sherwood listens to him, which I'm sure he will if he's smart. Seems to be a good balance now with Mr Motivator and Mr Football.
Welcome back, Kevin.
The key thing here is that didn't bring him in as a first team coach or Reserve coach but as his Assistant Manager. This now makes him a really important member of his backroom team. In the press conference yesterday he said this appointment had to be done with a long term approach, but good for the club and for him.
At the risk of getting carried away, Sherwood has done more smart and positive things in one week, starting at HT vs Leicester than Lambert appeared to do in the past 6 months.
Thank you Mr Logic.
I see The Guardian read your posts. ;)
It's about time the Guardian writers became a little smarter. Only took me 22,000 posts for them to take note
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Happy with that. He's a coach, first and foremost and will help fill the void providing Sherwood listens to him, which I'm sure he will if he's smart. Seems to be a good balance now with Mr Motivator and Mr Football.
Welcome back, Kevin.
The key thing here is that didn't bring him in as a first team coach or Reserve coach but as his Assistant Manager. This now makes him a really important member of his backroom team. In the press conference yesterday he said this appointment had to be done with a long term approach, but good for the club and for him.
At the risk of getting carried away, Sherwood has done more smart and positive things in one week, starting at HT vs Leicester than Lambert appeared to do in the past 6 months.
Thank you Mr Logic.
I see The Guardian read your posts. ;)
It's about time the Guardian writers became a little smarter. Only took me 22,000 posts for them to take note
At least James Nursey read your posts.
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I see Alan Evans has offered his services To Sherwood as a Defensive Coach, offering to walk up the M5 to Villa Park given the chance.
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Happy with that. He's a coach, first and foremost and will help fill the void providing Sherwood listens to him, which I'm sure he will if he's smart. Seems to be a good balance now with Mr Motivator and Mr Football.
Welcome back, Kevin.
The key thing here is that didn't bring him in as a first team coach or Reserve coach but as his Assistant Manager. This now makes him a really important member of his backroom team. In the press conference yesterday he said this appointment had to be done with a long term approach, but good for the club and for him.
At the risk of getting carried away, Sherwood has done more smart and positive things in one week, starting at HT vs Leicester than Lambert appeared to do in the past 6 months.
Thank you Mr Logic.
I see The Guardian read your posts. ;)
It's about time the Guardian writers became a little smarter. Only took me 22,000 posts for them to take note
At least James Nursey read your posts.
Oh great...
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I see Alan Evans has offered his services To Sherwood as a Defensive Coach, offering to walk up the M5 to Villa Park given the chance.
I always think it is useful having specialist coaches in certain positions. Defence being the most important,although the effect Sheringham has had on West Ham going forward is interesting.
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I see Alan Evans has offered his services To Sherwood as a Defensive Coach, offering to walk up the M5 to Villa Park given the chance.
I always think it is useful having specialist coaches in certain positions. Defence being the most important,although the effect Sheringham has had on West Ham going forward is interesting.
But how much of West Ham's improvement is down to actually spending the best part of £20m on two new forwards?
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Return of the Mac. Now that, my fellow fans, is pure genius. Well done Tim & Tom & welcome back Kev.
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I see Alan Evans has offered his services To Sherwood as a Defensive Coach, offering to walk up the M5 to Villa Park given the chance.
I always think it is useful having specialist coaches in certain positions. Defence being the most important,although the effect Sheringham has had on West Ham going forward is interesting.
True. Add to that, the more experience we can surround Sherwood with the better.
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Tim Sherwood is being too sensible ...that's not what we expected🙉
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And welcome back Kevin.
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Great news, well done Tim and the Villa
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Seems ok to me.
Seems like we may have something to look forward to.
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Now can we have a striker coaching our strikers.
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Good move that. Well respected as a coach at Villa Park and obviously knows the majority of the players capabilities. Should be able to hit the ground running.
Which we will need given our position.
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Great news, don't know what i'm more shocked about, K Mac or the fact that everyones happy? ;)
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He did preside over a 6-0 defeat away at Newcastle hence not a manager but as a coach and Youth Development coach he seemed to be excellent. I said the other day that I don't think it is a coincidence that our production line has not been as good since he departed.
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Seems like a smart move that. Even if its just till summer its smart. Well played all around.
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Now can we have a striker coaching our strikers.
Brian Little was a master of drifting off his marker and finding space ...
... as well as being able to walk on water.
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K Mac is back!
I'm sure he's excited to get involved once again, I thinker fits the role perfectly. I'm thrilled Sherwood roped him in.
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I see Alan Evans has offered his services To Sherwood as a Defensive Coach, offering to walk up the M5 to Villa Park given the chance.
I always think it is useful having specialist coaches in certain positions. Defence being the most important,although the effect Sheringham has had on West Ham going forward is interesting.
But how much of West Ham's improvement is down to actually spending the best part of £20m on two new forwards?
Precisely.
It's not like Sheringham has suddenly got Carlton Cole scoring loads of goals. They've just brought in better strikers than they had before.
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Happy with this, good coach who got the reserves playing good football and generally looking like well rounded players, good decision.
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What a difference 10 days makes eh folks! All positive at the moment, surely this can't be right? What are we going to moan about now, the pies again?
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We need cap off this week with a win otherwise much of this good feeling will wash away and reality will sink in very quickly.
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It will be interesting experience for Kevin MacDonald as he will look at players still in the club and see how far they progress in almost 3 seasons. This means he can look at them with fresh eyes.
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It will be interesting experience for Kevin MacDonald as he will look at players still in the club and see how far they progress in almost 3 seasons. This means he can look at them with fresh eyes.
Followed by bursting into tears.
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I see Alan Evans has offered his services To Sherwood as a Defensive Coach, offering to walk up the M5 to Villa Park given the chance.
I always think it is useful having specialist coaches in certain positions. Defence being the most important,although the effect Sheringham has had on West Ham going forward is interesting.
But how much of West Ham's improvement is down to actually spending the best part of £20m on two new forwards?
Precisely.
It's not like Sheringham has suddenly got Carlton Cole scoring loads of goals. They've just brought in better strikers than they had before.
We have better strikers potentially but have scored 12 all season. West ham season ticket holder i know credits Sheringham.
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Birmingham Mail Online: Aston Villa legend Allan Evans has offered his services as a defensive coach to new boss Tim Sherwood. Evans, who won the First Division title and European Cup during Villa's golden period in the early 1980s, says he would "walk up the M5" to work for the club. The 58-year-old has taken time out from football in recent years to care for daughter Davida, who tragically died of cancer last November. He is now feeling re-energised to return to the full-time game and would love to be part of Sherwood's revolution at Villa Park. Evans has coaching experience at Villa, having worked followed Brian Little from Leicester in the mid-1990s to work as his assistant manager.
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Birmingham Mail Online: Aston Villa legend Allan Evans has offered his services as a defensive coach to new boss Tim Sherwood. Evans, who won the First Division title and European Cup during Villa's golden period in the early 1980s, says he would "walk up the M5" to work for the club. The 58-year-old has taken time out from football in recent years to care for daughter Davida, who tragically died of cancer last November. He is now feeling re-energised to return to the full-time game and would love to be part of Sherwood's revolution at Villa Park. Evans has coaching experience at Villa, having worked followed Brian Little from Leicester in the mid-1990s to work as his assistant manager.
Tell him I'll pick him up.
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Welcome back KMac
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That's the first time I heard that Alan Evan's daughter had passed away. I knew she was suffering from cancer but hadn't heard about her passing. Was it mentioned on here? She was born at the same time as my son, his wife was on the same ward as Mrs S in Good Hope hospital. I'm sorry to hear that. RIP.
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Evans was always one of my favourites, I even wore the sweatbands all through my playing career at youth level.
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Evans was always one of my favourites, I even wore the sweatbands all through my playing career at youth level.
Hope you washed them occasionally
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We need cap off this week with a win otherwise much of this good feeling will wash away and reality will sink in very quickly.
Agree. There is a little bit of momentum building, which will all be undone if we lose tomorrow.
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Think he actually pre-dates 'arry. Linky (http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=142587)
You're right. Different source but I've read that one too. Good article on what he does. I'm just delighted it's not the bloke from Hollyoaks.
Am impressive article that and goes a good way to dispelling my worries about Sherwood.
I also like the "mr football" to complement "mr motivator" description for K-Mac and Sherwood.
Sounds promising.
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Welcome Home KMac.
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We need cap off this week with a win otherwise much of this good feeling will wash away and reality will sink in very quickly.
Correct.
Fingers crossed, with big faith in Mr Sherwood and his first team!
Come on you Villa boys!
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What a difference 10 days makes eh folks! All positive at the moment, surely this can't be right? What are we going to moan about now, the pies again?
As a vegan, too fu**ing right I am!
;-)
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Welcome Home KMac.
Without a doubt. I bet a few of the players will be glad as well! It feels like a homecoming.
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It will be interesting experience for Kevin MacDonald as he will look at players still in the club and see how far they progress in almost 3 seasons. This means he can look at them with fresh eyes.
Followed by bursting into tears.
Clark has truly come of age this season.
Until his injury I would say Nathan has stepped up too.
Robinson and Grealish have shown clear signs of promise but not really kicked on in the way we would like to see.
He can be very proud of his work at The Villa, but I always feel we have not made the most of the talent we've had in the past.
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Psycho evans as he was known..legend..makes vlaar look like a mouse.
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That's the first time I heard that Alan Evan's daughter had passed away. I knew she was suffering from cancer but hadn't heard about her passing. Was it mentioned on here? She was born at the same time as my son, his wife was on the same ward as Mrs S in Good Hope hospital. I'm sorry to hear that. RIP.
Poor man. There are few worse things I can imagine than the pain of outliving your child :(
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Getting the band back together.
Replacement lead singer but he'll be alright. As long as they play their old stuff from the early 80's, before they went weird and alienated fans, then I'll be happy.
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I do hope Sherwood appoints Evans. He was on Littles backroom staff too.
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I am pleased to see Mac back at the club. As a reserve team regular i use to enjoy watching his teams play and i think he has been sorely missed while he has been away
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Where would Sherwood and KMac have worked together before? There was talk of Spurs lending a lot of players to Swindon so maybe they spoke there?
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This article on Ramsey also suggests that Sherwood is smarter than he comes across in his banterful interviews. I'm pleased to read that he chooses to surround himself by Data Analysts and well studied people like Ramsey.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/feb/20/chris-ramsey-qpr-shadows-relegation-pressure
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Where would Sherwood and KMac have worked together before? There was talk of Spurs lending a lot of players to Swindon so maybe they spoke there?
I'd have thought he'd possibly know Kmac by coming up against his teams, from his time with the Spurs academy.
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Tony Parkes is the new GK Coach appointed, another one from Norwich.
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What is it about Norwich?
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They're in the Championship.
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Parkes would have been with Sherwood at Spuds and Blackburn though wouldn't he?
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Parkes would have been with Sherwood at Spuds and Blackburn though wouldn't he?
another well liked guy (by players & staff)
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They're in the Championship.
Excellent forward planning in that case.
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Parkes would have been with Sherwood at Spuds and Blackburn though wouldn't he?
Wrong Tony Parks.
Tony Parks the goalkeeper is the one we've hired, hasn't played with Sherwood anywhere.
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What is it about Norwich?
Our new feeder club. Or as the yoof would say, they're our bitches.
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He will have worked with Sherwood at Spurs indirectly as he was GK coach when Sherwood was Academy director, so they obviously know each other well, and he won GK coach of the year in 2013 at Spurs, so must be half decent.
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I'd like us to get an attacking coach in, that seems to be the most pressing issue.
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He will have worked with Sherwood at Spurs indirectly as he was GK coach when Sherwood was Academy director, so they obviously know each other well, and he won GK coach of the year in 2013 at Spurs, so must be half decent.
Was that a Spurs in-house award or a national prize? ;)
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this is a big week for this staff. I'm glad he has got his team in place quickly. They'll now have an idea on what they are dealing with and the significant challenge ahead. We expect to see a lot better at Newcastle this weekend who themselves will be smarting from a kicking they took vs Man City. There is nothing at all easy about going there and winning, but we have to find a way. The analyst bloke he brought in is going to have his work cut out this week. The two places he can start though is finding a new way to get the ball to Benteke because the direct only approach didn't work and dumping Gabby.
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
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He will have worked with Sherwood at Spurs indirectly as he was GK coach when Sherwood was Academy director, so they obviously know each other well, and he won GK coach of the year in 2013 at Spurs, so must be half decent.
Was that a Spurs in-house award or a national prize? ;)
Dunno, but it is on every report I have read about it.
Better that he has it from somewhere!
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From Norwich point of view... John Ruddy has spoken about it.
“I haven’t been asked for my opinion on that yet. I trust the club to appoint the right type of person. They did it with Parksy in the summer and I have no doubt they will do it now,” he said. “My initial reaction is firstly massive disappointment. I only worked with him from the start of the season and he is a great coach but more importantly a fantastic guy.
“He instilled confidence in me this year, like no-one else has, and a genuinely nice guy who had a big impact on me and everyone else in the changing room. He will be sorely missed but we wish him all the best.
“We had that bond and it won’t just be me who misses him. He brought a lot to the club and the changing room and was very encouraging to the lads. He has been brilliant in the six months he has been here.”
Neil could not stand in the way of Parks’ Premier League opportunity.
“Tony was a good and valued member of my team but he got an offer he couldn’t really refuse,” he said. “He had worked with Tim before at Spurs and they are close friends. To be fair, it was difficult for Tony because he had bonded well here and was enjoying the job but sometimes for financial and family reasons it is better for people to move on and that was the case with Tony.
“We hope to get something announced in the next couple of days. We have been working since we were aware of the situation. Tony knew that as wel so we haven’t left anything until the last minute.
“After the game on Saturday I made the players aware Tony would be moving on so it is completely amicable. He did a fantastic job for me working with John and I know he will miss him but that is the nature of football and the turnover is huge in terms of personnel. We wish him all the best at Aston Villa.”
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A distinctly average goalkeeper so I remember. I hope his coaching is better.
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A distinctly average goalkeeper so I remember. I hope his coaching is better.
Alex Ferguson was a distinctly average player.
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Mourinho wasn't a top class footballer either.
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
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Most great managers weren't good players. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Dino Zoff, Franz Beckenbauer and Johann Cruyff as really good at both. Most great players make horrible managers, in fact - Maradona, Keane, Shearer - perhaps because they can't understand how their players could struggle to learn things which came so naturally to them.
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Most great managers weren't good players. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Dino Zoff, Franz Beckenbauer and Johann Cruyff as really good at both. Most great players make horrible managers, in fact - Maradona, Keane, Shearer - perhaps because they can't understand how their players could struggle to learn things which came so naturally to them.
I think you are forgetting Sam Allardcici there Monty.
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Most great managers weren't good players. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Dino Zoff, Franz Beckenbauer and Johann Cruyff as really good at both. Most great players make horrible managers, in fact - Maradona, Keane, Shearer - perhaps because they can't understand how their players could struggle to learn things which came so naturally to them.
I think you are forgetting Sam Allardcici there Monty.
Ah yes. The Didi of Dudley himself.
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
God, I'd totally forgotten watching that match.
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Mourinho wasn't a top class footballer either.
He was hardly a footballer.
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I remember my calculus teacher telling us that Issac Newton at Cambridge while being a complete genius was regarded as a poor communicator and impatient Professor. The great ones don't always make the best coaches. No different to how none of the great golf coaches had great golf careers.
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I remember my calculus teacher telling us that Issac Newton at Cambridge while being a complete genius was regarded as a poor communicator and impatient Professor. The great ones don't always make the best coaches. No different to how none of the great golf coaches had great golf careers.
Yes yes but Newton was great at narrowing the angle and commanding the six yard box
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
God, I'd totally forgotten watching that match.
That was a great night in fairness, in a very brief period (3-4 years) when liking Spurs seemed somewhat ok. That and the cup finals a few years prior, Ricky Villa/Ossie etc etc. Maybe I was too young to know any better.
Yes, and I also in favour of a return to Le Coq Sportif kits.
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
I remember thinking Anderlecht must be pretty cool as they played with a sweeper, he then missed the important penalty. Olson I think his name was.
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
I remember thinking Anderlecht must be pretty cool as they played with a sweeper, he then missed the important penalty. Olson I think his name was.
I wasn't even 2. Was it a good match?
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I remember my calculus teacher telling us that Issac Newton at Cambridge while being a complete genius was regarded as a poor communicator and impatient Professor. The great ones don't always make the best coaches. No different to how none of the great golf coaches had great golf careers.
Yes yes but Newton was great at narrowing the angle and commanding the six yard box
I can imagine him losing it with our defenders for not understanding that if you are going to foul a player do it outside the box and not in the box late on vs Stoke. The team talk afterwards would include an illustration of the semi circle:
The equation of a semicircle with midpoint (x_0,y_0) on the diameter between its endpoints and which is entirely concave from below is
y=y_0+\sqrt{r^2-(x-x_0)^2}.
If it is entirely concave from above, the equation is
y=y_0-\sqrt{r^2-(x-x_0)^2}.
Foul him there not in the fucking rectangle!!
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
I remember thinking Anderlecht must be pretty cool as they played with a sweeper, he then missed the important penalty. Olson I think his name was.
I wasn't even 2. Was it a good match?
It felt a lot like the night we beat Inter Milan at Villa Park on penalties. Except we didn't get a cup at the end :(
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A distinctly average goalkeeper so I remember. I hope his coaching is better.
Alex Ferguson was a distinctly average player.
Touche.
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
I remember thinking Anderlecht must be pretty cool as they played with a sweeper, he then missed the important penalty. Olson I think his name was.
I wasn't even 2. Was it a good match?
No idea. I can remember the name of a sweeper of a team I have no interest in from 30 years ago but not what I'm going up the stairs for today.
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I remember my calculus teacher telling us that Issac Newton at Cambridge while being a complete genius was regarded as a poor communicator and impatient Professor. The great ones don't always make the best coaches. No different to how none of the great golf coaches had great golf careers.
Yes yes but Newton was great at narrowing the angle and commanding the six yard box
Yes, but everybody only remembers him for the apple he missed.
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Sherwood should get the staff and players together for two or three days in Spain, go through tactics and try and get some confidence in the weak feckers.
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Sherwood should get the staff and players together for two or three days in Spain, go through tactics and try and get some confidence in the weak feckers.
Spain? If you'd said Milton Keynes or Rotherham where they could be playing next season I'd agree with you.
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Sherwood should get the staff and players together for two or three days in Spain, go through tactics and try and get some confidence in the weak feckers.
Spain? If you'd said Milton Keynes or Rotherham where they could be playing next season I'd agree with you.
If you're going in that direction, take them to the Sty. That should be good motivation.
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Sherwood should get the staff and players together for two or three days in Spain, go through tactics and try and get some confidence in the weak feckers.
Spain? If you'd said Milton Keynes or Rotherham where they could be playing next season I'd agree with you.
If you're going in that direction, take them to the Sty. That should be good motivation.
I'd forgotten about that lot. Out of sight, out of mind.
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He will have worked with Sherwood at Spurs indirectly as he was GK coach when Sherwood was Academy director, so they obviously know each other well, and he won GK coach of the year in 2013 at Spurs, so must be half decent.
Was that a Spurs in-house award or a national prize? ;)
I must admit that award was a new one on me.
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I remember watching Parks's finest hour on telly back in the early 80s (84?). Penalty save hero in the UEFA cup final
I was just about to mention that, against Anderlecht wasn't it?
Yep. I secretly liked him after that night ( probably helped by the Le Coq Sportif shirt he wore - only the best teams wore LeCoq kits in those days).
I remember thinking Anderlecht must be pretty cool as they played with a sweeper, he then missed the important penalty. Olson I think his name was.
I wasn't even 2. Was it a good match?
No idea. I can remember the name of a sweeper of a team I have no interest in from 30 years ago but not what I'm going up the stairs for today.
Morten Olsen played against us in '82. In fact he seemed to play for Anderlecht and Denmark for about thirty years. I remember that final. I think Graham Roberts scored in a 1-1 draw after the first leg had finished 1-1 too. I think the Grobelaar wobbly legs final was the the following week. I always remember thinking Tony Parks was small for a keeper.
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What exactly does a GK do? Its not as if Brad or Shay are novices at catching, throwing, diving or kicking a ball.
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I always thought of Olsen as Beckenbauer light. Decent player though, wasn't he manager of Denmark for ages?
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I always thought of Olsen as Beckenbauer light. Decent player though, wasn't he manager of Denmark for ages?
Has been since 2000 and still is!
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I can't now remember the circumstances, but how come Parks played in that final and not Ray Clemence?
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What exactly does a GK do? Its not as if Brad or Shay are novices at catching, throwing, diving or kicking a ball.
Shay struggles to catch the ball and Brad can't kick the ball, so that's two reasons for having a GK coach.
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I can't now remember the circumstances, but how come Parks played in that final and not Ray Clemence?
Clemence was recovering from a collarbone injury and wasn't 100% fit.
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I always thought of Olsen as Beckenbauer light. Decent player though, wasn't he manager of Denmark for ages?
Has been since 2000 and still is!
That must be the safest job of an international manager since Saddam Hussein stuck his son in charge of the Iraqi team.
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I always thought of Olsen as Beckenbauer light. Decent player though, wasn't he manager of Denmark for ages?
Has been since 2000 and still is!
That must be the safest job of an international manager since Saddam Hussein stuck his son in charge of the Iraqi team.
Nobody else will have it. The media pressure is about 70% of that Hodgson gets, but with 25% of the resources.
Every time his latest 2 year contract is up for renewal (just after the latest qualifying tournament is over), either they've qualified and it's hard to justify getting rid, or they haven't qualified, there's a huge clamour for him to go, the DBU look around, approach Michael Laudrup, plus whoever the latest golden child in SupaLiga is, get knocked back and offer Olsen another 2 years.
I reckon he really has got a job for life.
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Another positive addition to the Backroom Staff, good to see we are ( apparently) getting in some well qualified & experienced people. ............Godzvilla!
12:40 - Aston Villa
Aston Villa have appointed former Manchester City scout Leon Collins to oversee their scouting operation in France, Serbia and Croatia.
Collins was on the staff at City for over nine years and was responsible for coordinating the Premier League champions' local, national and global recruitment strategy at academy level.
He was also latterly employed as City's academy secretary but left the club to take up his new post at Villa two months ago.
Collins will now work with ex-Liverpool spy Paddy Riley, who was brought in as the club's head of recruitment a matter of weeks before he too beefed up the Villa scouting department.
The Liverpudlian is also responsible for unearthing new talent in Slovakia, Slovenia and Bosnia - a part of the world that Villa now appear to be focusing more effort on.
- See more at: http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/Aston-Villa/Villa-nab-City-scout-for-Balkan-area/X1Y2Z1894931?#sthash.vDEvcjTE.dpuf
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Sounds like another positive appointment.
Probably about ten years too late, but at least we're finally addressing the issues.
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there are clearly a lot of good and positive things happening behind the scenes, but so much depends on us staying up. We really need to stop this run of defeats first and foremost and build from there. A win this weekend would be ace, but a draw isn't the end of the world.
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I'd bite someone's hand off right now for a draw TV, as you say, just to stop the rot.
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That's why the Stoke defeat was so tough to take. A draw wouldn't have been great but much better than losing 6 straight.
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Have we ever gone 7 before ?
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Have we ever gone 7 before ?
I think that was one of the few records Lambert didn't break, but equalled it with 6 earlier on (the 6 that started with Arsenal at home that then extended to 9 without a win)
We're now 6 defeats on the bounce and 11 without a win!
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Those days when we used to occasionally win a game were good. It used to make the weekend for me and I would be the happier for it.
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Sherwood has said he would consider hiring another coach or sports psychologist if he thinks it will help. I do applaud him for this and especially when you consider the paucity of coaches under Lambert. To this day I cannot believe he kept things so lean at a PL club and especially the farce that bexams his assistant manager situation.
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Indeed coaching has been severely lacking for a long time.
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Indeed coaching has been severely lacking for a long time.
Indeed. I think there are some decent footballers in that squad that have been neglected.
Clark, Baker, well the lot of them, have a fair few of the raw ingredients to see us mid table, but individually and collectively they have improved at a much slower rate than expected. Coaching, simple as it may sound, may really improve a fair few of our squad.
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Interesting..
Former U.S. national team coach Bob Bradley is in the running to become Aston Villa's director of football, sources have told ESPNFC.
Villa are searching for a director of football to help manager Tim Sherwood in a new-look management set-up at Villa Park.
Villa owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Tom Fox see the creation of a director of football role to work alongside the manager as part of the long-term vision to help the club try and recapture former glories.
Lerner and Fox are thought to be admirers of their fellow American Bradley with the 56-year-old linked with the Villa manager's job in 2010 following the departure of Martin O'Neill before he eventually signed a new deal with USMNT.
Bradley, who admitted he was interested in the Villa job in 2010, is currently working in Norway with Stabaek after joining the club in January 2014.
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Petrov was in the BT studio and said that Sherwood has been talking to him about joining the coaching staff. Stan was with the players a lot today and was saying how positively they were talking about Sherwood. It would be a good move.
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Petrov was in the BT studio and said that Sherwood has been talking to him about joining the coaching staff. Stan was with the players a lot today and was saying how positively they were talking about Sherwood. It would be a good move.
I'll tell you what. He's taking the club very seriously and getting help in all areas of coaching. Something Lambert flat out ignored. If Stan joins it would be another massive boost to the club.
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Interesting..
Former U.S. national team coach Bob Bradley is in the running to become Aston Villa's director of football, sources have told ESPNFC.
Villa are searching for a director of football to help manager Tim Sherwood in a new-look management set-up at Villa Park.
Villa owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Tom Fox see the creation of a director of football role to work alongside the manager as part of the long-term vision to help the club try and recapture former glories.
Lerner and Fox are thought to be admirers of their fellow American Bradley with the 56-year-old linked with the Villa manager's job in 2010 following the departure of Martin O'Neill before he eventually signed a new deal with USMNT.
Bradley, who admitted he was interested in the Villa job in 2010, is currently working in Norway with Stabaek after joining the club in January 2014.
Bob Bradley is the new Steve Bull. This will be the twenty fifth time he is joining us.
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Petrov was in the BT studio and said that Sherwood has been talking to him about joining the coaching staff. Stan was with the players a lot today and was saying how positively they were talking about Sherwood. It would be a good move.
I'll tell you what. He's taking the club very seriously and getting help in all areas of coaching. Something Lambert flat out ignored. If Stan joins it would be another massive boost to the club.
I was watching BT and unless I misunderstood I thought they said it was a done deal and he was starting pretty much straight away.
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Petrov was in the BT studio and said that Sherwood has been talking to him about joining the coaching staff. Stan was with the players a lot today and was saying how positively they were talking about Sherwood. It would be a good move.
I'll tell you what. He's taking the club very seriously and getting help in all areas of coaching. Something Lambert flat out ignored. If Stan joins it would be another massive boost to the club.
It wasn't terribly clear, but I thought Stan said that they'd been in discussions for a while but couldn't agree on the details. Then he said he'd been asked this week to spemnd some time with the players.
I was watching BT and unless I misunderstood I thought they said it was a done deal and he was starting pretty much straight away.
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Petrov was in the BT studio and said that Sherwood has been talking to him about joining the coaching staff. Stan was with the players a lot today and was saying how positively they were talking about Sherwood. It would be a good move.
I'll tell you what. He's taking the club very seriously and getting help in all areas of coaching. Something Lambert flat out ignored. If Stan joins it would be another massive boost to the club.
I was watching BT and unless I misunderstood I thought they said it was a done deal and he was starting pretty much straight away.
I didn't quite get that level of confirmation but there's clearly a will from both parties so looks very likely.
As for Lambert not taking the coaching seriously enough, the number of coaches that we're needing to bring in now shows just how poorly that area was being run. In this modern era, it's scandalous that an elite level organisation should be run so amateur-like.
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As long as we keep Stan away from scouting in Bulgaria.....
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As long as we keep Stan away from scouting in Bulgaria.....
tee, hee
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As long as we keep Stan away from scouting in Bulgaria.....
Lets wait and see with all those Lambert signings who are out on loan, when they were signed we were quite excited because the footage we could find showed glimpses of ability, it may be that, come pre-season, Sherwood takes a look and thinks there's something to work with. Nzogbia looked like a football player for the first time in nearly 4 years last night so there's clearly some hope that 1 or 2 can come back and find their way back to the first team squad.
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As long as we keep Stan away from scouting in Bulgaria.....
Lets wait and see with all those Lambert signings who are out on loan, when they were signed we were quite excited because the footage we could find showed glimpses of ability, it may be that, come pre-season, Sherwood takes a look and thinks there's something to work with. Nzogbia looked like a football player for the first time in nearly 4 years last night so there's clearly some hope that 1 or 2 can come back and find their way back to the first team squad.
I hope Helenius would be one of these. And I think Bennett might not be beyond redemption.
Luna? - probably not.
As you say, N'Z actually looked like a player last night; I was shocked tbh.
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Helenius, Bennett and maybe Sylla are all worth a good look, as is Gardner now that he's getting fitness (and confidence that he's not going to break again). I'd hope at least some of those guys get a chance in training/friendlies before we move them on and/or replace them.
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Helenius, Bennett and maybe Sylla are all worth a good look, as is Gardner now that he's getting fitness (and confidence that he's not going to break again). I'd hope at least some of those guys get a chance in training/friendlies before we move them on and/or replace them.
I think Bennett's definitely worth another chance. I think he's a better footballer than both Cissokho and Richardson, and just badly in need of some defensive coaching and some confidence - two things it now looks like we might have staff capable of providing him with now.
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Helenius, Bennett and maybe Sylla are all worth a good look, as is Gardner now that he's getting fitness (and confidence that he's not going to break again). I'd hope at least some of those guys get a chance in training/friendlies before we move them on and/or replace them.
Ive said this before. Sylla has a little talent which maybe Sherwood team could improve.
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If we stay up and don't want to be in a relegation battle next season then we're going to need better players than Helenius, Sylla and Bennett. I mean, we're going to need better players than a lot of the first team squad. Get them off the books ASAP.
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We never really got to see what Helenius could do because he was ill most of the time he was at Villa, so you cannot say beyond doubt he isn't good enough.
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If we stay up and don't want to be in a relegation battle next season then we're going to need better players than Helenius, Sylla and Bennett. I mean, we're going to need better players than a lot of the first team squad. Get them off the books ASAP.
Sylla looked good in his first half season.
Bennett looked very raw so with some added experience and some good coaching, he might be an option. From his background, I think Sherwood will be looking to give young, English players a chance so he fits that. Gary Gardner fits that too and has been playing well by all accounts.
Some money will need to be spent but it needs to be spent well and in the areas where we need it most, which is adding extra flair and creativity.
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I'm afraid his time in B6 might have ruined Helenius. The times I've seen him this season he's looked way short of confidence and commentators have been saying that he looks a shadow of the player from 2 years ago.
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From his background, I think Sherwood will be looking to give young, English players a chance so he fits that.
We've been trying that for the past few years though and it's partly why we are where we are. We need players who are already good enough to improve the first team.
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Its nice to see both manager and coaches up and constantly shouting instructions and the players actually listening and doing as asked. All joking aside i was convinced that the players could not understand a work Lambert said to them. Tony Parkes was constantly geeing them up and shouting instructions. Sherwood may not be a tactical manager but just like Gregory i love the swagger and a touch of arrogance he has. The word is the players are loving it with him already
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From his background, I think Sherwood will be looking to give young, English players a chance so he fits that.
We've been trying that for the past few years though and it's partly why we are where we are. We need players who are already good enough to improve the first team.
In key areas, yes. In every position within the squad, no. So I don't see why Gardner and Bennett wouldn't be given a chance when they do their first pre-season under Sherwood. Unless a wealthy owner comes out of the woodwork in the summer, there will only be limited money to spend and it will need to go towards flair players and players that can score goals. That's paramount above everything else.
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In key areas, yes. In every position within the squad, no. So I don't see why Gardner and Bennett wouldn't be given a chance when they do their first pre-season under Sherwood. Unless a wealthy owner comes out of the woodwork in the summer, there will only be limited money to spend and it will need to go towards flair players and players that can score goals. That's paramount above everything else.
Our trouble was that we tried to introduce too many youngsters, too quickly and too many of them weren't good enough. Whether that was because Lerner and co. thought it really would work, or because it was cheap to do so, who knows. Probably both. Anyway, I think it was Lee Dixon who said on commentary last night that it's a lot easier to integrate kids into the first team when the team is doing well. When you're fannying around at the bottom of the table like we have been it's not a good idea and maybe even counter-productive.
You're right some of them may yet prove to be good enough and, as you say, not every position in the squad needs overhauling but a lot do so let's get some experienced, proven players in to get us into, say, mid-table and out of immediate danger and then let's see how good the youngsters are, one or two at a time.
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In key areas, yes. In every position within the squad, no. So I don't see why Gardner and Bennett wouldn't be given a chance when they do their first pre-season under Sherwood. Unless a wealthy owner comes out of the woodwork in the summer, there will only be limited money to spend and it will need to go towards flair players and players that can score goals. That's paramount above everything else.
Our trouble was that we tried to introduce too many youngsters, too quickly and too many of them weren't good enough. Whether that was because Lerner and co. thought it really would work, or because it was cheap to do so, who knows. Probably both. Anyway, I think it was Lee Dixon who said on commentary last night that it's a lot easier to integrate kids into the first team when the team is doing well. When you're fannying around at the bottom of the table like we have been it's not a good idea and maybe even counter-productive.
You're right some of them may yet prove to be good enough and, as you say, not every position in the squad needs overhauling but a lot do so let's get some experienced, proven players in to get us into, say, mid-table and out of immediate danger and then let's see how good the youngsters are, one or two at a time.
but if we do what you say and get rid of all the kids who haven't done it now we don't get much chance to see that.
In reality this summer should only see 3 players in and then maybe 4-5 out (including Sinclair and cleverley if they're not amongst the 'ins') another summer of 6-7 signings means more bedding in and more time with players getting used to each other which I don't think we really need. I still firmly believe that the current squad can compete with the likes of Swansea, Newcastle and Stoke in the 8-12 spots which is where we should be aiming now.
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I would like to see Sylla given another chance. Not so sure about Bennett. Gardner and Helenius, especially the latter might be worth him looking at. Then there is Tonev (he is still ours isn't he)? Have I missed out any others apart from youngsters who are out on loan for experience? When is Bent's contract up? He might want to look at him in the summer pre season.
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Bent's contract runs out in the summer. I think N'Zog's has another year but feel free to correct me.
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Bent's contract runs out in the summer. I think N'Zog's has another year but feel free to correct me.
Right on both counts. Four and a half year deal for Bent in the January under Houllier, five years for N'Zogbia the summer after.
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Bent's contract runs out in the summer. I think N'Zog's has another year but feel free to correct me.
Right on both counts. Four and a half year deal for Bent in the January under Houllier, five years for N'Zogbia the summer after.
5 year contract, bloody hell!
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We've had very poor value for N'Zog (his free-kick against West Ham being his only significant contribution) and Bent (once Lambert took over). Easily spent £30m just on those 2 players' contracts.
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Bent's contract runs out in the summer. I think N'Zog's has another year but feel free to correct me.
Right on both counts. Four and a half year deal for Bent in the January under Houllier, five years for N'Zogbia the summer after.
5 year contract, bloody hell!
Given signed a 5 year deal around the same time if I recall correctly.
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Just after - he was a McLeish signing.
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We've had very poor value for N'Zog (his free-kick against West Ham being his only significant contribution) and Bent (once Lambert took over). Easily spent £30m just on those 2 players' contracts.
The rebirth of N'Zog is flowering nicely with the arrival of TS. As long as he stays free of injury he's gonna be a major factor in keeping us up. Watch this space...
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We've had very poor value for N'Zog (his free-kick against West Ham being his only significant contribution) and Bent (once Lambert took over). Easily spent £30m just on those 2 players' contracts.
The rebirth of N'Zog is flowering nicely with the arrival of TS. As long as he stays free of injury he's gonna be a major factor in keeping us up. Watch this space...
Bare in mind the date of that original comment.
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Tony Coton ex-Watford keeper appointed specialist Goalkeeper scout. Never heard of us needing that type of position and he was GK coach for 10 years at Man U. But I'm fine with us doing a lot of things differently to the past few years. Will work with Tony Parks.
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Tony Coton will be better known here for one of his other employers, I suspect.
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I am surprised to hear the news about Coton joining Villa. He hates the Villa. I use to live in Tamworth back in the 70s and use to see him quite often when i was out with my friends and more often than not he was pissed up with his mates in the town singing anti Villa songs and acting like a idiot.
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That's funny. I completely forgot he played for that lot. I'm getting old.
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Coton used to go out of his way to wind up the fans at VP. Quite prepared to take our money now though it would seem.
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Funny, was only talking about him the other day as a mate of mine used to play with him for a pub team in Tamworth, he said he used to be a real handful and a big boozer before disappearing overnight when his pro club heard of his antics.
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Despite his off the field behaviour Coton was a very safe goalkeeper. Big and imposing. His first touch in professional football was to save a penalty, if my memory has recalled correctly.
Unfortunatlely it was for our beloved neighbours!
He was certainly the worst behaved of the infamous trio of Hopkins,Blake and Coton. Drank far too much. Perhaps he has grown up!
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Strange role. Considering its a scout for a position in which we have two good first choices plus a backup. It is hard to imagine us buying more than one an extra backup in the next year or two. Then again Parks seems to have a broader role than just goalkeeping so maybe this is filling in the gaps.
Oh well, Sherwood is entitled to manage his staff as he sees fit. He can hardly be weirder than Lambert.
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Yeah he saved a pen after 54 seconds against Sunderland. Could be wrong about this but i think he was on Villa's books as a kid.
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Could be wrong about this but i think he was on Villa's books as a kid.
Don't think so unless he was released at a very young age. Blues signed him from Mile Oak Rovers.
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Then again Parks seems to have a broader role than just goalkeeping
He does appear to be the designated touchline shouter
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Funny, was only talking about him the other day as a mate of mine used to play with him for a pub team in Tamworth, he said he used to be a real handful and a big boozer before disappearing overnight when his pro club heard of his antics.
Who cares if he used to wind us up, though, it was decades ago and he was a 20 something twat.
Wasn't he the keeper in that Blues side which was one of the dirtiest, nastiest sides football has seen for decades?
Mark Dennis, Pat Van Den Hauwe, Hopkins, Blake, all those horrible scumbags?
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Funny, was only talking about him the other day as a mate of mine used to play with him for a pub team in Tamworth, he said he used to be a real handful and a big boozer before disappearing overnight when his pro club heard of his antics.
Who cares if he used to wind us up, though, it was decades ago and he was a 20 something twat.
Wasn't he the keeper in that Blues side which was one of the dirtiest, nastiest sides football has seen for decades?
Mark Dennis, Pat Van Den Hauwe, Hopkins, Blake, all those horrible scumbags?
I didn't say I did care that he used to wind us up, we were all a bit dafter 20 years ago.
He was indeed the keeper in that side, one of SHA's best ever and the winners of the prestigious Atari-six-a-side competition, I think it was played on the same night we won the European Super Cup against Barcelona *ends sneer mode*
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Sorry, PW, know I was replying to you but it was actually a general point rather than aimed at you.
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As long as he does a good job I'm not too bothered. Doubt we'll ever hear anything of him. It's not exactly a high profile role. If he's specifically concentrating on keepers, he's certainly got the credentials to do that. I know we're solid at the moment but Given is 37 with 1 year left, and Guzan is 30 now, so he's probably got 3-4 years left as first choice. Maybe more. Steer is still a bit of an unknown quantity. Whether he makes it at this level remains to be seen, so we may well be looking for 1-2 young stoppers in the next year or two.
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I'd like to see us upgrade on Guzan.
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Iv'e remembered something else about Coton while we were out shopping. I think he had some heart trouble a few years ago. I hope he is fully fit now to coach properly. Never played for England, but quite a few (me included) thought he should have.
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Was it Coton in goal for Man City when he had a worldy of a game when they knocked us out of the FA Cup in about 1994 ?
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Everyone's assuming that he's scouting for a first team goalkeeper. He might be but we have multiple age groups that he could be scouting for too. It's been a while since we found a young keeper that came through the ranks and become a first choice.
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Iv'e remembered something else about Coton while we were out shopping. I think he had some heart trouble a few years ago. I hope he is fully fit now to coach properly. Never played for England, but quite a few (me included) thought he should have.
He's coming as a scout, not to coach.
I would imagine lots of scouts are effectively part time or supply their services on a consultancy basis, as they surely can't find enough to fill a full working week in scouting keepers. Mind you, this is football ....
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There was a magazine I used to read back in the 90's called Total Sport, one issue of which had an article about Robert Hopkins and the dirty Nose side of the 1980s. One of the pictures was of Tony Coton attending a court appearance dressed in his training gear.
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There was a magazine I used to read back in the 90's called Total Sport, one issue of which had an article about Robert Hopkins and the dirty Nose side of the 1980s. One of the pictures was of Tony Coton attending a court appearance dressed in his training gear.
In court while at Watford too. Sir Graham got him off.
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Ciaran Cosgrave appointed as Sports Psychologist.
With all of these appointments in key areas we are starting to look and feel like a proper PL football club that wants to operate at the right end of the table. It starts with players, but the manager having a proper team is critical. Sherwood appears to be putting together a very good staff to help him.
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There's some names being trotted out here - Dennis, van den Hauwe, Hopkins, Blake. We didn't even get as far as Savage.
If ever someone were to pick an all-time Scrotes XI, Small Heath would be heavily represented.
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Ciaran Cosgrave appointed as Sports Psychologist.
With all of these appointments in key areas we are starting to look and feel like a proper PL football club that wants to operate at the right end of the table. It starts with players, but the manager having a proper team is critical. Sherwood appears to be putting together a very good staff to help him.
Thank f**k for that, I've been wanting the club to have a full time sports psychologist for years, the mental aspect of the game is, in my opinion, what has stopped our good kids going on to become good villa players, we've just lost them in that 18-21 period and whilst a large number have gone on to make it as footballers not many have achieved what they should've (I'm looking firmly in the direction of Blackpool here).
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Ciaran Cosgrave appointed as Sports Psychologist.
With all of these appointments in key areas we are starting to look and feel like a proper PL football club that wants to operate at the right end of the table. It starts with players, but the manager having a proper team is critical. Sherwood appears to be putting together a very good staff to help him.
Thank f**k for that, I've been wanting the club to have a full time sports psychologist for years, the mental aspect of the game is, in my opinion, what has stopped our good kids going on to become good villa players, we've just lost them in that 18-21 period and whilst a large number have gone on to make it as footballers not many have achieved what they should've (I'm looking firmly in the direction of Blackpool here).
I agree with that Paul, especially when the outlay is probably a decent player's weekly wage. If he makes every player feel 5% better/happier/more confident then he will have paid for himself many times over. I assume that this is a Sherwood driven appointment and therefore he has ideas on how to integrate the new guy and implement his ideas.
As an aside, Sherwood has quickly built up a massive team of staff which seems to be a complete about turn compared to the conditions which Lambert was asked to manage. Does this suggest that a takeover is in the pipeline?
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Ciaran Cosgrave appointed as Sports Psychologist.
With all of these appointments in key areas we are starting to look and feel like a proper PL football club that wants to operate at the right end of the table. It starts with players, but the manager having a proper team is critical. Sherwood appears to be putting together a very good staff to help him.
Thank f**k for that, I've been wanting the club to have a full time sports psychologist for years, the mental aspect of the game is, in my opinion, what has stopped our good kids going on to become good villa players, we've just lost them in that 18-21 period and whilst a large number have gone on to make it as footballers not many have achieved what they should've (I'm looking firmly in the direction of Blackpool here).
It helps a little, but players either make it or they dont because of their ability and attitude. I don't think Delfounso would have made it with any psychological help. He just isn't good enough for the prem or the championship
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Ciaran Cosgrave appointed as Sports Psychologist.
With all of these appointments in key areas we are starting to look and feel like a proper PL football club that wants to operate at the right end of the table. It starts with players, but the manager having a proper team is critical. Sherwood appears to be putting together a very good staff to help him.
Thank f**k for that, I've been wanting the club to have a full time sports psychologist for years, the mental aspect of the game is, in my opinion, what has stopped our good kids going on to become good villa players, we've just lost them in that 18-21 period and whilst a large number have gone on to make it as footballers not many have achieved what they should've (I'm looking firmly in the direction of Blackpool here).
It helps a little, but players either make it or they dont because of their ability and attitude. I don't think Delfounso would have made it with any psychological help. He just isn't good enough for the prem or the championship
Attitude is the important bit. The main issue, for me, is that players get called up to the first team and play a few games and they think they've made it. If an SP helps 1 in 10 or even 20 of them keep grounded (like Grealish's dad is doing) and focused than they are then he's worth his weight in gold.
Specifically on Delfouneso just seemed to lose that desire when his breakthrough didn't result in him being a regular. It was almost like getting a glimpse and then having it taken away broke him, which is why I wonder if having someone to talk things through with, etc might hae made a difference. Anyone who saw him at 16 wouldn't have thought he'd be struggling to get games at the bottom championship now so something clearly went wrong, this might be the answer or might not, but for £100k a year or so it's well worth a go.
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As an aside, Sherwood has quickly built up a massive team of staff which seems to be a complete about turn compared to the conditions which Lambert was asked to manage. Does this suggest that a takeover is in the pipeline?
I think there is also the possibility that Lambert did not want help.
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As an aside, Sherwood has quickly built up a massive team of staff which seems to be a complete about turn compared to the conditions which Lambert was asked to manage. Does this suggest that a takeover is in the pipeline?
I think there is also the possibility that Lambert did not want help.
Lambert wasn't the most pro-active manager. It was always a case of "it can wait." We were running on a skeleton crew and clearly it had an effect.
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Ciaran Cosgrave appointed as Sports Psychologist.
With all of these appointments in key areas we are starting to look and feel like a proper PL football club that wants to operate at the right end of the table. It starts with players, but the manager having a proper team is critical. Sherwood appears to be putting together a very good staff to help him.
Thank f**k for that, I've been wanting the club to have a full time sports psychologist for years, the mental aspect of the game is, in my opinion, what has stopped our good kids going on to become good villa players, we've just lost them in that 18-21 period and whilst a large number have gone on to make it as footballers not many have achieved what they should've (I'm looking firmly in the direction of Blackpool here).
It helps a little, but players either make it or they dont because of their ability and attitude. I don't think Delfounso would have made it with any psychological help. He just isn't good enough for the prem or the championship
Attitude is the important bit. The main issue, for me, is that players get called up to the first team and play a few games and they think they've made it. If an SP helps 1 in 10 or even 20 of them keep grounded (like Grealish's dad is doing) and focused than they are then he's worth his weight in gold.
Specifically on Delfouneso just seemed to lose that desire when his breakthrough didn't result in him being a regular. It was almost like getting a glimpse and then having it taken away broke him, which is why I wonder if having someone to talk things through with, etc might hae made a difference. Anyone who saw him at 16 wouldn't have thought he'd be struggling to get games at the bottom championship now so something clearly went wrong, this might be the answer or might not, but for £100k a year or so it's well worth a go.
There was definitely plenty of ability with Fonz. As there was with the Moores. Nathan just didn't have enough determination to be honest. I don't think he was entirely helped by O Neill's first 14 favourites policy. There were times when he'd done enough to earn more game time, perhaps even a couple of starts (perhaps ahead of Heskey). He struggled unfortunately. I think Houllier tried him a couple of times out wide, but it didn't fit.
I think we gave a few of those youngens too lucrative a contract as well. Nath was reportedly on something close to 20k a week, with Bannan etc. Whether true, who knows, but he never seemed to show the gumption other players did.
If you look at the strikers that came through our ranks in the last 12-13 years, the Moore's, Gabby, Weimann and Fonzy...I'd say in terms of natural footballing talent that the Moores (particularly Luke) and Fonzy had the most natural ability, whereas Gabby and Weimann were more raw.
As things have transpired though, Gabby and Weimann are still here because they've worked their asses off. They put themselves about. Andi works very hard. Gabby certainly did when he first broke in (latterly under Lambert he seemed to lose desire, but he had it in spades in his early days).
Talent only gets you so far. Hopefully a sports psychologist can help some of these lads focus and fulfil their potential.
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As an aside, Sherwood has quickly built up a massive team of staff which seems to be a complete about turn compared to the conditions which Lambert was asked to manage. Does this suggest that a takeover is in the pipeline?
I think there is also the possibility that Lambert did not want help.
Lambert wasn't the most pro-active manager. It was always a case of "it can wait." We were running on a skeleton crew and clearly it had an effect.
Agreed. The back room staff stuff really was bizarre looking back.
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Interesting article about Coquelin but what really stood out to me was how Arsenal found him. Hope we are working towards a scouting network with genuinely knowledgeable people spreading the Villa net far and wide. I know this is in France so obviously Wenger is all over it.
Arsenal’s French scout, their former defender Gilles Grimandi, spotted him playing for France’s Under‑17s and Coquelin was invited for a week’s trial at London Colney.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/09/francis-coquelin-arsenal-king-counter-bling (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/09/francis-coquelin-arsenal-king-counter-bling)