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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on February 14, 2015, 04:13:20 PM
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Come on then Dave, Paulie et al I know you can do this. I'll even allow you to have 1. He's not Paul Lambert.
Anyway here's my three....
1. He brought Adebayor in from the cold and got him playing very well last season which is no mean feat and has been beyond many more experienced managers. We need to get Benteke scoring goals if we're to win games in the run in so hopefully he can do the same.
2. He gave Kane and Bentaleb their first opportunities for Spurs last season when they'd been ignored by AVB and both have benefited with excellent form this season so long term wise I'd like to think he can help Grealish and Robinson integrate themselves into the starting 11 although probably not this season given the state we're in.
3. As previously mentioned he had a win or bust strategy at Spurs. We need to win games in the run in so if we get the odd thumping in Manchester (which is compulsory every season) it won't bother me too much.
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I'll give you number 2, but the reason Adebayor liked him was that he didn't make him do anything unreasonable, like train very hard.
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No need for a new thread.
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Right, so you were there were you Monty? No, you are assuming. I've heard people who have worked with EA have said he trains hard
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4. He is unlikely to be here long. Our board don't mind sacking managers and paying out compensation.
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He's not Lambert
He's not Hoddle
He's not 'arry
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Right, so you were there were you Monty? No, you are assuming. I've heard people who have worked with EA have said he trains hard
I'm just going on what all the Spurs fans say. And Arsenal fans. And Man City fans.
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If he ever describes us as "excellent" it will be true.
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He doesn't mind upsetting people. He won't give Randy such an easy ride as brown-nose Lambo did, or some of our less enthusiastic players. oh, and he's not TSM.
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1. Lambert's no longer in charge.
2. Lambert's no longer in charge.
3. Lambert's no longer in charge.
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He's not Scottish
He does not hate Darren Bent
He turned down Albion
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Come on then Dave, Paulie et al I know you can do this...
His 'just fackin' run abaht a bit' shtick should probably be enough to stop us getting relegated.
Until next season.
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Right, so you were there were you Monty? No, you are assuming. I've heard people who have worked with EA have said he trains hard
I'm just going on what all the Spurs fans say. And Arsenal fans. And Man City fans.
He said: “I explained last week, he’s nearly ready for selection. He’s training in the last few weeks; his training sessions have been very good.” Said Pochettino a few weeks ago. How many of these fans have watched him train? As I said, you are assuming
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Right, so you were there were you Monty? No, you are assuming. I've heard people who have worked with EA have said he trains hard
I'm just going on what all the Spurs fans say. And Arsenal fans. And Man City fans.
He said: “I explained last week, he’s nearly ready for selection. He’s training in the last few weeks; his training sessions have been very good.” Said Pochettino a few weeks ago. How many of these fans have watched him train? As I said, you are assuming
He has a history of being notoriously lazy in training. Doesn't mean he's incapable of training well ever, just that he has previous in this area.
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Right, so you were there were you Monty? No, you are assuming. I've heard people who have worked with EA have said he trains hard
I'm just going on what all the Spurs fans say. And Arsenal fans. And Man City fans.
I don't care how hard Benteke trains if he bangs in 5-10 goals in the last 13 games. Adebayor is of course a lazy bugger, but Sherwood still spotted a gap that EA could fill up top (which Soldado wasn't) and put him in. He was rewarded with a truckload of goals. Whether he was doing as much as some others in training is irrelivant really. John Carew was (apparently) very lazy in training but he was still our top scorer 3 seasons running and was unplayable on his day.
If Tim gets half of what he got from Adebayor from Benteke, or even Gabby too, then we'll stay up.
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He's not Lambert
He's not Hoddle
He's not 'arry
I was just about to type something similar but all three of mine would be "He's not Hoddle"
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He doesn't mind upsetting people. He won't give Randy such an easy ride as brown-nose Lambo did, or some of our less enthusiastic players. oh, and he's not TSM.
I think the part about Randy is also a reason that, if it turns a little sour, Sherwood won't hide and he'll come out on the defensive against Randy. I don't think he'd have the sort of run Lambert did where it was clear as day he needed booting out. I don't see us turning into Spurs all of a sudden and sack at the drop of a hat, but if it's time for the bullet, I think he'll get it.
We may pay the price now for having kept Lambert on for far too long. He was well past due getting turfed out.
Of course I hope he does well and that never becomes a consideration.
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We'll be able to understand his post match ramblings without needing subtitles.
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We'll be able to understand his post match ramblings without needing subtitles.
...although we might regret that afterwards.
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It's certainly not going to be dull.
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We'll get honest post-match assessments and soon know if any of the squad aren't pulling their weight.
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(http://talksport.com/sites/default/files/field/image/201404/sherwood2.jpg)
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That does make him look a complete wanker. Mind you if he's sliding on his knees having revitalized Benteke then that'll be fine with me.
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The salute thing is shite. But if Benteke scores a dozen goals between now and the end of the season, including the winner in the Cup Final, and Sherwood does the shite salute each time, I reckon I could live with it.
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I prefer the salute than lamberts note pad to be honest.
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having scored the amount of goals we have, I would welcome seeing that every week.
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A bit better than just sitting there doodling as the opposition score.
(http://abload.de/img/sherwrnj5d.gif)
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(http://talksport.com/sites/default/files/field/image/201404/sherwood2.jpg)
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Can I borrow your scarf Pike?
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The salute thing is shite. But if Benteke scores a dozen goals between now and the end of the season, including the winner in the Cup Final, and Sherwood does the shite salute each time, I reckon I could live with it.
Benteke scored 6 goals between now and May, I will salute every precious one of them! He can salute all he likes. Twice a game from now till will see us safe.
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To answer the original question I can think of several positives, unfortunately they're all of the at least he's not type rather than than "true" positives such as experienced at managing at this level, record of turning around struggling teams etc.
1.He's not Lambert
2.He's not Warnock
3.He's not Pearce
4.He's not Redknapp
5.He's not Írvine
6.He's not Karsa
7.He's not Culverhouse
8.He's not MON
9.He's not DOL
10. He's not Pearson
11. He's not come with a letter of recommendataion from SAF.
12. err......... that's it.
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He's not Lambert and whilst he appears to be arrogant that may actually be a virtue. I hope he proves us all wrong.
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Wow, slagging off a salute now - we really must be desperate to find fault.
FYI, the salute is Adebeyor's trademark goal celebration and he did it directly to Sherwood, no doubt to thank him for the support/belief and Sherwood (and Ramsey) merely responded back. There's nothing to see here.
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Wow, slagging off a salute now - we really must be desperate to find fault.
FYI, the salute is Adebeyor's trademark goal celebration and he did it directly to Sherwood, no doubt to thank him for the support/belief and Sherwood (and Ramsey) merely responded back. There's nothing to see here.
It's a joke. Get a life 8)
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1. A bit of an unknown quantity. Who knows he could be the next Mouriniho, whereas there is a known ceiling for Pulis and other established managers.
2. More attacking/crazy football.
3. Aggressive style may shock the players into keeping us up.
Still gutted that we've missed another opportunity to do something more imaginative.
oh, another one.
4. He understands the pantomime of it all (see the coat throwing gif). If he ever showed some humility then he could actually be likeable.
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To answer the original question I can think of several positives, unfortunately they're all of the at least he's not type rather than than "true" positives such as experienced at managing at this level, record of turning around struggling teams etc.
1.He's not Lambert
2.He's not Warnock
3.He's not Pearce
4.He's not Redknapp
5.He's not Írvine
6.He's not Karsa
7.He's not Culverhouse
8.He's not MON
9.He's not DOL
10. He's not Pearson
11. He's not come with a letter of recommendataion from SAF.
12. err......... that's it.
3 is the new Danish dozen!
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8)Wow, slagging off a salute now - we really must be desperate to find fault.
FYI, the salute is Adebeyor's trademark goal celebration and he did it directly to Sherwood, no doubt to thank him for the support/belief and Sherwood (and Ramsey) merely responded back. There's nothing to see here.
It's a joke. Get a life 8)
I have a life already thanks, a very nice one !
Unfortunately for you I wasn't commenting on your hilarious pictorial banter but the prior comments 8)
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Please play nicely kids.
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Yes he is Arrogant, I like that as you don't get successful sportsmen that don't have an arrogance about them.
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1, He will have an instant positive impact on results.
2, The strikers will enjoy the fact he likes them to get the ball early enough to have a chance.
3, The lazy buggers whilst not appreciating the initial dressing down, will understand when looking back it got them playing. Either that or they will be playing for another team.
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He might turn out to be quite good. We're never going to trouble the top 6 again under Lerner, but if Sherwood can make us comfortably mid-table, that'll have to do. After keeping us up first of course. Plus he dresses like John Gregory and seems to have a mate or two in the London press.
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The salute thing is shite. But if Benteke scores a dozen goals between now and the end of the season, including the winner in the Cup Final, and Sherwood does the shite salute each time, I reckon I could live with it.
Christ. Whats so bad about a bloody salute? Maybe he has a sense of humour as well
Perhaps he also scratches his arse in a way that you dislike
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I think he'll get us relegated this season and we'll be stuck with him for a couple of years in the championship. I'll get behind them and all that, but having watched a few of those Spurs games last season and his interviews afterwards, I honestly think it's the worst appointment we could have made. Worse than appointing warnock who is similarly a tactically inept gobshite but is at least an experienced one.
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To answer the original question I can think of several positives, unfortunately they're all of the at least he's not type rather than than "true" positives such as experienced at managing at this level, record of turning around struggling teams etc.
1.He's not Lambert
2.He's not Warnock
3.He's not Pearce
4.He's not Redknapp
5.He's not Írvine
6.He's not Karsa
7.He's not Culverhouse
8.He's not MON
9.He's not DOL
10. He's not Pearson
11. He's not come with a letter of recommendataion from SAF.
12. err......... that's it.
3 is the new Danish dozen!
It's just a reflection of the mutliplication of hyphonated names over here ;)
Seriously they're talking about legislation to limit it to 2 family names, there are examples of 4 and 5 going around at the moment, plus 2 or 3 given names. Birth certificates are now printed in A3 to accomodate it all.
(I made the last bit up)
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If we're relegated this season it won't be Sherwood's fault.
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If we're relegated this season it won't be Sherwood's fault.
No, that one will firmly lie at Randolph's door, especially if it transpires that Faulkner walked because he wasn't allowed to sack Lambert at the end of last summer.
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Yes he is Arrogant, I like that as you don't get successful sportsmen that don't have an arrogance about them.
Exactly.
Not comparing him to the man himself, but, Brian Clough was as arrogant as they came.
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Nobody does arrogance like Mourinho.
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8)Wow, slagging off a salute now - we really must be desperate to find fault.
FYI, the salute is Adebeyor's trademark goal celebration and he did it directly to Sherwood, no doubt to thank him for the support/belief and Sherwood (and Ramsey) merely responded back. There's nothing to see here.
It's a joke. Get a life 8)
I have a life already thanks, a very nice one !
Unfortunately for you I wasn't commenting on your hilarious pictorial banter but the prior comments 8)
Apologies to you CT :)
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Spurs mate of mine reckons Sherwood will be good. Says he gives him a lot of credit for work he did with the youth team too.
Given where we are I would prefer somebody with more experience but as the board were slow to react our choices were limited.
Welcome and good luck Mr Sherwood.
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If we're relegated this season it won't be Sherwood's fault.
Which means he'd still be our manager in the Championship. Imagine that.
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You can't write the bloke off until he's given you proof to do so.
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the positive for me is that we waited till now to sack him
let me explain, if he had of gone earlier when Pulis was available or when Alardyce was under pressure we might have ended up with one of those two anti football munters,
I don't know how I would have coped to see Aston Villa manager- Tony Pulis
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You can't write the bloke off until he's given you proof to do so.
I've seen enough of Sherwood to write him off. I hope he does well enough to keep us up, I don't think he will, but hope he does obviously. But I think long term we will struggle with him. The only positive people can see is that he 'doesn't take any shit'. That's not a recipe for success, thats not the defining quality of any good managers. This is just as clueless as appointing Mcleish.
For about the billionth time...what Lerner needs is a football man or two on the board, other clubs do, which is why they wouldn't have made this appointment, and certainly not at this time.
Here's another moan. What happened to handling ourselves with a little bit of class? Fox courting Sherwood at games, Krulak speaking out against Lambert, feels like a shabby way to carry on.
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1. Sherwood had a good record in his short time at Spurs. The kind of record that'd keep us up.
2. We can now move on from Lambert.
3. Five wins from thirteen may be enough to keep us up. And isn't exceptional form.
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1. His record, no matter how brief, is decent.
2. He's confident, arrogant, passionate....good, it's about time we started showing some of that as a club, let alone a team.
3. He seemingly plays decent attacking football without being afraid to have a go. Works well with the kids and won't be afraid to throw them in.
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You can't write the bloke off until he's given you proof to do so.
That works both ways
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1. He'll kick some lazy, underperforming arses.
2. He knows what a net looks like.
3. "So this is Old Trafford? So fucking what."
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1. I can understand what he's saying.
2. The players will as well.
3. If its OK with Paul Merson, its OK with me.
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1. He's not Neil Lennon.
2. He will hopefully keep us up.
3. If he does number 2. Lerner will hopefully find a buyer who will invest in not only our "illustrious club" but also a new manager!
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1. He's not Neil Lennon.
2. He will hopefully keep us up.
3. If he does number 2. Lerner will hopefully find a buyer who will invest in not only our "illustrious club" but also a new manager!
I like it!
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1. He's
2. Not
3. Lambert
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We will see wingers playing on the wing, we will see a team going out to win rather than not to lose. we will see goals being scored again at Villa Park. Hows that.
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1. I can understand what he's saying.
2. The players will as well.
3. If its OK with Paul Merson, its OK with me.
The Sky Sports mutants were talking even more cock than usual today.
Sam Allthepies would have been an 'ambitious' appointment, with one eye on the future, apparently.
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He is another Danny Dyer wannabe mockney mug innit
He was the captain of a league winning side, did a decent interim job at Spurs last year and was available to step in immediately
I wish him the best and hopefully will give us enough in the short term to stay up. I would be surprised if he is still at the club at 12 months and the most likely outcome is that he surpass David O'Leary as the most hated Villa manager in recent memory.
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I wish him the best and hopefully will give us enough in the short term to stay up. I would be surprised if he is still at the club at 12 months
So would I.
and the most likely outcome is that he surpass David O'Leary as the most hated Villa manager in recent memory.
Crikey. That's a bit harsh, surely? I'm massively underwhelmed by the appointment, but he'd have to dynamite the McGregor statue to manage that.
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I wish him the best and hopefully will give us enough in the short term to stay up. I would be surprised if he is still at the club at 12 months
So would I.
and the most likely outcome is that he surpass David O'Leary as the most hated Villa manager in recent memory.
Crikey. That's a bit harsh, surely? I'm massively underwhelmed by the appointment, but he'd have to dynamite the McGregor statue to manage that.
Maybe I'm being very pessimistic but Tiger Tim has plenty of form in feeding stories back to his media mates. When the pressure comes on him, it will be very interesting to see how he reacts.
I'm not buying the narrative that he has come in too late either, with the players we have Sherwood should pull us comfortably clear.
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Fuck them
Fuck you...if you're not performing
Fuck everybody who isn't Villa ( hopefully)
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I wish him the best and hopefully will give us enough in the short term to stay up. I would be surprised if he is still at the club at 12 months
So would I.
and the most likely outcome is that he surpass David O'Leary as the most hated Villa manager in recent memory.
Crikey. That's a bit harsh, surely? I'm massively underwhelmed by the appointment, but he'd have to dynamite the McGregor statue to manage that.
Maybe I'm being very pessimistic but Tiger Tim has plenty of form in feeding stories back to his media mates. When the pressure comes on him, it will be very interesting to see how he reacts.
I'm not buying the narrative that he has come in too late either, with the players we have Sherwood should pull us comfortably clear.
He's pretty much in a no lose situation isn't he? If we do end up going down he can point the finger elsewhere and if we do stay up then it will be down to him.
I'm still at the stage where I can't quite believe he has been given a 3 year plus deal to manage Aston Villa Football Club. It's another sign of the total lack of ambition at the club and that changes are needed at every level and not just the manager.
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It's just a reflection of the mutliplication of hyphonated names over here ;)
Seriously they're talking about legislation to limit it to 2 family names, there are examples of 4 and 5 going around at the moment, plus 2 or 3 given names. Birth certificates are now printed in A3 to accomodate it all.
Aha you mean inclusion of father's father mother's father fathers's mother mother's mother dead sister/aunt/uncle etc etc?
That's what you get when you are small town in North og Germany spread over a rather large area.
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1 positive, opinion on here has no longer converged to a single monotonous thought process of Lambert going so there is plenty to debate and argue about.
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I'm not buying the narrative that he has come in too late either, with the players we have Sherwood should pull us comfortably clear.
That's a rather false narrative .........
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Exciting gifs of the manager
Clean slate for players to go for it and get in the team
No idea what he will say post match
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Exciting gifs of the manager
Clean slate for players to go for it and get in the team
No idea what he will say post match
good point that one. I have forgotten what an interesting post match press conference is like.
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We just need him to keep us up (and win the FA cup).
That's all.
I'd have given him a short term contract til the end of the season with a big bonus attached, plus an automatic one year extension if he manged to keep us in the top flight.
Just hope everyone gets behind the club now. They should do everything they can now to enable people to go to the remaining home games.
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Exciting gifs of the manager
Clean slate for players to go for it and get in the team
No idea what he will say post match
good point that one. I have forgotten what an interesting post match press conference is like.
If we win by a few tomorrow, he could start with, 'I thought we were excellent...'
In that case, I wouldn't mind.
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As a youngster he spent his first couple of years as a professional footballer under SGT at Watford
He captained a side to the Premier League title in his mid twenties
He doesn't seem to suffer fools gladly and had the balls to take on the job when it appears likely he could have had options in the summer without the pressure of an immediate relegation battle
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Fuck them
Fuck you...if you're not performing
Fuck everybody who isn't Villa ( hopefully)
my favourite quote.
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As I'm sure others have said he is good at spotting young players. He identified that Kane and Bentaleb were good enough and gave them a chance.
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It's just a reflection of the mutliplication of hyphonated names over here ;)
Seriously they're talking about legislation to limit it to 2 family names, there are examples of 4 and 5 going around at the moment, plus 2 or 3 given names. Birth certificates are now printed in A3 to accomodate it all.
Aha you mean inclusion of father's father mother's father fathers's mother mother's mother dead sister/aunt/uncle etc etc?
That's what you get when you are small town in North og Germany spread over a rather large area.
Cheeky fucker. :-D
Until they backed the wrong side in the Napoleonic wars Norway and around 30% of Sweden were Danish, plus the Danish border on Jutland extended around halfway towards Hamburg from where it currently lies.
Anyway, having caught up on the thread from last night I'll agree with whoever said the days of Agbonlahor and Benteke swanning about, blatantly not trying are hopefully over.
(I give it 3 weeks before Agbonlahor is leaking stories to the press about what a slave driver Sherwood is and everyone hates him already. A further 2 days before "sky sports understands" that Sherwood was warned about his attitude before he took the job. :O)
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This came from a Spuds fan on another Villa forum, this may give an insight into why Fox courted him for a long time (and why I feel less depressed from his intial appointment!). Methinks he could give some choice words about Lerner too...
Tim doesn't stand no-triers or ego's well. He says it as he sees it and doesn't (unfortunately?) give a flying **** what people think of him - he's independently wealthy (he's invested well in some very successful businesses).
Tim was largely responsible for over-hauling and rebuilding as well as planning our new academy/development squad and could be largely credited for the crop of top class youngsters that have come through and are about to. - He is a believer in youth with a mixture of experience. As he proved with us he is not one to run to the transfer market at the first difficulty, it fact he turned down the opportunity do that and held faith in the three youngsters he brought through when he was appointed (Mason, Bentelab and Kane - he was annoyed that Carroll had been loaned to Swansea and made his thoughts known).
The problem you will have with Tim is that he will seek out and kick out weak players and he will tell the chairman/club what he thinks - this is his greatest downfall, one which I hope he's learned from.
He is a disciplinarian and gets very angry very quickly if players let their conditioning go or simply aren't as fit as he thinks they should be.
He has a great tactical brain, but tends towards 100 mph, high intensity, high tempo total football. Hugely exciting when he gets it right, but does mean that you'll be exposed at the back, so perhaps end up scoring plenty and conceding plenty.
You'd do well to give him a chance, as I do think a fresh face not connected with the club could work wonders for you.
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It's just a reflection of the mutliplication of hyphonated names over here ;)
Seriously they're talking about legislation to limit it to 2 family names, there are examples of 4 and 5 going around at the moment, plus 2 or 3 given names. Birth certificates are now printed in A3 to accomodate it all.
Aha you mean inclusion of father's father mother's father fathers's mother mother's mother dead sister/aunt/uncle etc etc?
That's what you get when you are small town in North og Germany spread over a rather large area.
Ha! And this coming from someone who I at a stretch is coming from a Pakistani/sub-continent heritage where the gene pool is spread very thinly indeed...
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This is better!
Oops! I wondered where this one had ended up, thought I was posting in the match thread at the time!
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Fuck them
Fuck you...if you're not performing
Fuck everybody who isn't Villa ( hopefully)
my favourite quote.
That would look good on a claret and blue T-Shirt.
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Been watching quite a few interviews of Tim Sherwood on Youtube and I have to say I like the guy. I would prefer to play and listen to someone like him every day than Lambert and I like the way he treats players like men instead of the prim donas they think they are.
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The complete opposite of the last guy....
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Exciting gifs of the manager
Clean slate for players to go for it and get in the team
No idea what he will say post match
And going by today, effective half time talks!
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Yes, he's just delivered a better HT team talk than his predecessor has in about two seasons.
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1/ I can understand what he`s saying.
2/The players can understand what he`s saying.
3/The press can understand what etc etc......
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This came from a Spuds fan on another Villa forum, this may give an insight into why Fox courted him for a long time (and why I feel less depressed from his intial appointment!). Methinks he could give some choice words about Lerner too...
Tim doesn't stand no-triers or ego's well. He says it as he sees it and doesn't (unfortunately?) give a flying **** what people think of him - he's independently wealthy (he's invested well in some very successful businesses).
Tim was largely responsible for over-hauling and rebuilding as well as planning our new academy/development squad and could be largely credited for the crop of top class youngsters that have come through and are about to. - He is a believer in youth with a mixture of experience. As he proved with us he is not one to run to the transfer market at the first difficulty, it fact he turned down the opportunity do that and held faith in the three youngsters he brought through when he was appointed (Mason, Bentelab and Kane - he was annoyed that Carroll had been loaned to Swansea and made his thoughts known).
The problem you will have with Tim is that he will seek out and kick out weak players and he will tell the chairman/club what he thinks - this is his greatest downfall, one which I hope he's learned from.
He is a disciplinarian and gets very angry very quickly if players let their conditioning go or simply aren't as fit as he thinks they should be.
He has a great tactical brain, but tends towards 100 mph, high intensity, high tempo total football. Hugely exciting when he gets it right, but does mean that you'll be exposed at the back, so perhaps end up scoring plenty and conceding plenty.
You'd do well to give him a chance, as I do think a fresh face not connected with the club could work wonders for you.
well lets go with that spuds fans view rather than the other ones shall we for now
but why did he say his greatest downfall was seeking out the weak players and kicking them out, I would have thought that's a positive
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1. He'll kick some lazy, underperforming arses.
2. He knows what a net looks like.
3. "So this is Old Trafford? So fucking what."
ditto
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This came from a Spuds fan on another Villa forum, this may give an insight into why Fox courted him for a long time (and why I feel less depressed from his intial appointment!). Methinks he could give some choice words about Lerner too...
Tim doesn't stand no-triers or ego's well. He says it as he sees it and doesn't (unfortunately?) give a flying **** what people think of him - he's independently wealthy (he's invested well in some very successful businesses).
Tim was largely responsible for over-hauling and rebuilding as well as planning our new academy/development squad and could be largely credited for the crop of top class youngsters that have come through and are about to. - He is a believer in youth with a mixture of experience. As he proved with us he is not one to run to the transfer market at the first difficulty, it fact he turned down the opportunity do that and held faith in the three youngsters he brought through when he was appointed (Mason, Bentelab and Kane - he was annoyed that Carroll had been loaned to Swansea and made his thoughts known).
The problem you will have with Tim is that he will seek out and kick out weak players and he will tell the chairman/club what he thinks - this is his greatest downfall, one which I hope he's learned from.
He is a disciplinarian and gets very angry very quickly if players let their conditioning go or simply aren't as fit as he thinks they should be.
He has a great tactical brain, but tends towards 100 mph, high intensity, high tempo total football. Hugely exciting when he gets it right, but does mean that you'll be exposed at the back, so perhaps end up scoring plenty and conceding plenty.
You'd do well to give him a chance, as I do think a fresh face not connected with the club could work wonders for you.
I will take the bolded bit all day. I also happen to think that style suits our current players.
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Scoring plenty and conceding plenty. That's how we thought it would be with Lambert after the first season.
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It is funny, Lambert and Gregory both became almost obsessed about defensive frailty to the detriment of what they were initially good at.
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Does going hell for leather and 'tactical brain' go hand in hand? Sometimes going bat shit atracking won't be the viable option.
Although I agree it's much more fun to watch.
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I think he's going to take this incredibly seriously and be very passionate about the position. In some of his interviews of his brief spell at Spurs he talks of feeling like a substitute teacher. That because he took over mid season and only got a short contract he wasn't taken seriously by a lot of the players. Now with us he has the security of a longer deal and the players will know he's the manager. I think he'll really thrive on that and bring energy to the position, as well as an immense sense of pride in getting this job. My guess is we will really hear that tomorrow in his first press conference.
I hope he brings in the right staff and surrounds himself not just with good people, but embraces the club and some of the great names associated with it. If he does and respects the history and traditions of the club he can be a success. Naturally, it will come down to what's on the pitch and he made that quite clear in a couple of questions he answered after the game. It's about wins, and if he gets a few in the next 4 or 5 games he'll be off to a great start in his first proper managerial position.
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His arrival might trigger unexpected responses. All of a sudden Cleverley and Given are more interesting options. There might be more next week.
Marshall said he gave a couple of tips to everybody, rather than make blanket statements. I think this is a direct comparison with Lambert. Giving each player an indivual appraisal after 45 minutes shows them that they are all important and that he knows what he wants each of them to do. Maybe he actually has ideas. What a trip.
It must have been a decent first speech, and presumably intense, as they came out early for the second half.
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Ha! And this coming from someone who I at a stretch is coming from a Pakistani/sub-continent heritage where the gene pool is spread very thinly indeed...
You are only jealous because I can count upto a dozen using my both hands!
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1. He'll kick some lazy, underperforming arses.
2. He knows what a net looks like.
3. "So this is Old Trafford? So fucking what."
I do like No. 3 - so much better than "our poor young wee lions did their best in the mighty Theatre of Dreams"
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1. We'll avoid relegation.
2. Top 8 finish next year!
3. Back in the bottom 5 the year after and then he gets sacked.
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I get the impression he won't be saying "I thought we were excellent" after every performance where it has been clear to every sentient being on the planet and Robbie Savage that we were absolute gash.
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I was impressed with his press conference and how he immediately identified the weak areas and our strengths and that we should play to the latter not be over concerned about the former
Every fan I speak to, especially after the cup draw is so positive again (I am sure as its us we will find a way to fuck it up)
But I am sure if the worst was to happen I am sure we could look back and say we went down with a hell of a fight - not a pathetic whimper as it was
He will get us to be exciting again - and I already am
Strap yourselves in guys - its gonna be one hell of a ride ;)
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I'm pretty positive right now, but we need a win on Saturday.
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I was impressed with his press conference and how he immediately identified the weak areas and our strengths and that we should play to the latter not be over concerned about the former
Every fan I speak to, especially after the cup draw is so positive again (I am sure as its us we will find a way to fuck it up)
But I am sure if the worst was to happen I am sure we could look back and say we went down with a hell of a fight - not a pathetic whimper as it was
He will get us to be exciting again - and I already am
Strap yourselves in guys - its gonna be one hell of a ride ;)
You are Seattle Villain and I claim my £5.
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Hopefully -
1. I can go to the game without being a grumpy bastard.
2. I can watch the game without being a grumpy bastard.
3. I can go home after the game without being a grumpy bastard.
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I was impressed with his press conference and how he immediately identified the weak areas and our strengths and that we should play to the latter not be over concerned about the former
Strengths based leadership - he's done some leadership training probably. You can only get your weaknesses to a level of competence by investing heavily. But by investing mainly in your strengths you can excel in them. Spend 80% of your time focusing on your strengths and 20% of your time trying to get your weaknesses to competent. Stop trying to be an all-rounder...lets hope it works.
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Fuck them
Fuck you...if you're not performing
Fuck everybody who isn't Villa ( hopefully)
my favourite quote.
That would look good on a claret and blue T-Shirt.
Good idea!
:D
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1. He'll kick some lazy, underperforming arses.
2. He knows what a net looks like.
3. "So this is Old Trafford? So fucking what."
Love number 3 Dave.
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The biggest plus is that he isn't pointing fingers, he's genuinely excited and he's being accountable the position we find ourselves in. That it's not because on Lambert we are in the bottom 3, WE Aston Villa are in the bottom 3 and he and his team are not just aware of the issue, importantly part the solution.
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I don't think Sherwood would stand for the sort of mind numbing, dreary way we've approached playing football for 2 seasons now. We've got lots of quality in attack and I think he'll want them to express themselves. At the very least I see us being far more positive in games. Whether we become effective is another matter, but hopefully Benteke for one will hit form again.
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The biggest plus is that he isn't pointing fingers
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Certainly likes to point.
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His confidence/self belief which he will hopefully instil into the team.
He doesn't seem to be in awe of the club or the job in hand. Previous managers have talked about what a great, massive club we are but have seemed a bit intimidated by it all.
He is unlikeable. Most good managers are annoying in some way or other (Graham Taylor being the exception of course).
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A couple of my mates would always wind me up about Lamberts post match interviews as on a few occasions he'd state he was "proud" of the lads, even after we'd been solidly beaten. So without fail after every defeat I'd get a text saying "Lambert must be proud." But that was Lambert. It summed him up. Always so content (it seemed). Getting beaten and beaten convincingly seemed to be acceptable. If we'd managed 2 shots on target we'd "played excellently."
Sherwood might be a bit of a twonk but at the very least he won't be happy with losing (particularly when it's fully deserved). There'll be no hiding it. I rarely remember Lambert acknowledge we were good enough. Sometimes there'd be absolutely no denying, like getting pillocked 8-0.
Lambert to me is like a guy who turns up at an orgy with a semi and a sigh who blindly fumbles for 90 minutes with no result and leaves feeling his done his job.
Timmy is the sort who looks at himself in the mirror before leaving and gives himself a raging hard on. He'll enter the love den with gusto. Sometimes he might give an inspired performance, other times he'll be done and asleep within 4 minutes but at least the intent will be there.
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Certainly likes to point.
Reo Coker taught him everything he knows ;)
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He can't be worse than Lambert
He starts with a clean slate
The "dead cat bounce" effect
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Lambert to me is like a guy who turns up at an orgy with a semi and a sigh who blindly fumbles for 90 minutes with no result and leaves feeling his done his job.
Timmy is the sort who looks at himself in the mirror before leaving and gives himself a raging hard on. He'll enter the love den with gusto. Sometimes he might give an inspired performance, other times he'll be done and asleep within 4 minutes but at least the intent will be there.
You don't get analysis like that in the media.
Lambert always used to talk about not getting too excited after a win or too upset after a defeat. That summed him up really. One of Sherwood's lines in his first press conference was that we will lose some between now and the end of the season but we'll also win games and to throw punches. Very different approaches - one of a man who was very controlled, very tempered and another who is very passionate, which is why not everyone will like him because he will have views that not everyone will agree with and he'll be very passionate about those views.
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The biggest plus is that he isn't pointing fingers
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Sherwood OUT!
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He is unlikeable. Most good managers are annoying in some way or other (Graham Taylor being the exception of course).
I was never very fond of Mr. Ferguson but he did ok.
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Okay! I finally have three things:
1) His (largely unearned) swagger and confidence might well rub off on the players, which I think would near-certainly keep us up;
2) I like the look of Seamus Brady, the performance analyst (also, we now have a performance analyst);
3) I'm pleased to see KMac back.
Long term, I'm still not sure it will end in anything but an almighty conflagration, and possibly with us being dragged through the media as ungrateful a la MON (never mess with Henry Winter's favourites), but those three things stand us in good stead for now at the very least. And, of course, if he wins us the Cup and keeps us up I will paint a picture of me getting obese from humble pie and walk from Edinburgh to VP with it balanced on my head.
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I don't think Sherwoods the man, grave doubts about him
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I'm very excited about Sherwood I think he's just the right man for the Villa,
he's always been my first choice anyway
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In 3years time regurgitate one of them posts to show how brilliant I am about football knowledge
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I'm very excited about Sherwood I think he's just the right man for the Villa,
he's always been my first choice anyway
Fickle, I knew O'Liary was right all along
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I have my doubts but he done well so far, I will give him a clean slate. It is first big job for him and he will want to make sure it is a success. Managers in 2nd or 3rd management job doesn't do well for Villa. ie Paul Lambert.
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Three great quotes from his press conference:
When asked if he'll enjoy walking to the dug out for the first time.
I'll prefer the walk back after we've got three points
When asked if he'll give the players a talk about Stoke's strengths.
Of course, but they (Stoke) will have more to say about ours
When mentioned that Peter Crouch will be a threat.
So's Benteke
Loved what he had to say. This is going to be one heck of a final 13 league games.
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Okay! I finally have three things:
1) His (largely unearned) swagger and confidence might well rub off on the players, which I think would near-certainly keep us up;
2) I like the look of Seamus Brady, the performance analyst (also, we now have a performance analyst);
3) I'm pleased to see KMac back.
Long term, I'm still not sure it will end in anything but an almighty conflagration, and possibly with us being dragged through the media as ungrateful a la MON (never mess with Henry Winter's favourites), but those three things stand us in good stead for now at the very least. And, of course, if he wins us the Cup and keeps us up I will paint a picture of me getting obese from humble pie and walk from Edinburgh to VP with it balanced on my head.
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You've said it, I trust you are a man of your word.
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Managers in 2nd or 3rd management job doesn't do well for Villa. ie Paul Lambert.
We were the fifth club that Lambert managed.
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I'm happy he's not Lambert
I'm happy he's brought in the experienced KMac
I'm happy Sherwood's no longer orange.
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He's growing on me
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He's growing on me
You keep that to yourself
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I'm happy he's not Lambert
I'm happy he's brought in the experienced KMac
I'm happy Sherwood's no longer orange.
That'll do for me too. I'm not convinced that he's a long term option, but keeping us up will do for a start. I'd have bet my mortgage on Lambert taking us down. We were completely moribund, and at least he'll inject a bit of enthusiasm.
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1. I've enjoyed everything he's had to say about the club this week
2. I like his backroom appointments
3. For the first time in a long time, I'm looking forward to the 250 mile round trip tomorrow.
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I'm very excited about Sherwood I think he's just the right man for the Villa,
he's always been my first choice anyway
Made me smile John, long may you think that and good for you too!
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A couple of my mates would always wind me up about Lamberts post match interviews as on a few occasions he'd state he was "proud" of the lads, even after we'd been solidly beaten. So without fail after every defeat I'd get a text saying "Lambert must be proud." But that was Lambert. It summed him up. Always so content (it seemed). Getting beaten and beaten convincingly seemed to be acceptable. If we'd managed 2 shots on target we'd "played excellently."
Sherwood might be a bit of a twonk but at the very least he won't be happy with losing (particularly when it's fully deserved). There'll be no hiding it. I rarely remember Lambert acknowledge we were good enough. Sometimes there'd be absolutely no denying, like getting pillocked 8-0.
Lambert to me is like a guy who turns up at an orgy with a semi and a sigh who blindly fumbles for 90 minutes with no result and leaves feeling his done his job.
Timmy is the sort who looks at himself in the mirror before leaving and gives himself a raging hard on. He'll enter the love den with gusto. Sometimes he might give an inspired performance, other times he'll be done and asleep within 4 minutes but at least the intent will be there.
That's a good point.
Early on I was convinced Lambert was like most managers in that he'd say positive stuff to TV but in the dressing room he'd be ripping into them.
However when you see the same weak performance near enough game after game I just assumed he really was saying the stuff he said in interviews in the dressing room as the players wouldn't produce that standard if they were being challenged.
I'm also convinced Sherwood only went into loose cannon mode at Spurs as he knew early on he wasn't going to get the job so had free reign to experiment a bit and see what reactions he'd get from players.
I'd like to think given he will hopefully be here long term he'll modify that approach a little.
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Love the confidence but it's rather easy to say the right things - whether he can turn the club around is an altogether different question.
He is out of his depth and I fear it will all end in tears and further acrimony but naturally, hope I'm proven wrong.
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Love the confidence but it's rather easy to say the right things - whether he can turn the club around is an altogether different question.
He is out of his depth and I fear it will all end in tears and further acrimony but naturally, hope I'm proven wrong.
I think you will be.
TS was at Spurs, who are also a big club, for 5 years, albeit as a coach. So, he'll know how a big club works.
He's worked with big name players, too, so he certainly won't be fazed by them
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press. Harsh on Westwood?
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Love the confidence but it's rather easy to say the right things - whether he can turn the club around is an altogether different question.
He is out of his depth and I fear it will all end in tears and further acrimony but naturally, hope I'm proven wrong.
I think you will be.
I don't, and it has little to do with how good Sherwood is. Nearly every manager's tenure ends in acrimony. They've either done badly and been sacked or done well and moved upwards in the world.
You can probably count on one hand the number of recent managers who have left a club with both parties happy with the decision.
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press. Harsh on Westwood?
I imagine he'll go with a 4-4-2 with some genuine width. You would expect Delph to be one of the central two so if those reports are correct, presumably he'll have Sanchez sitting in front of the defence. Sanchez looked very good at times but had a phase where his performances dipped and it was right to give him a break but he may be ready to come back in now so those decisions wouldn't be too strange. Everyone's got a fresh start so its up to Westwood and Cleverley to up their games and get back into the side (again, if those reports are true).
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I worry about the 4-4-2 approach. His Spurs side were wide open with that system, and we don't have the quality they did to make up for it.
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press. Harsh on Westwood?
Not really. He's flattered to deceive for 2 seasons now. He never (IMO) kicked on from that run of form he had between Feb and May 13. You could say the same about many others too of course, including Benteke.
Cleverley has been mediocre at best since arriving.
Delph is our best player in midfield. Sanchez has tailed off a little after a good run of form (probably fatigue more than anything), but is still probably the best man to partner Delph in a two man mid.
I'd be looking to play 4-2-3-1 to be honest. Sanchez to sit, Delph to provide energy and box to box running. The four ahead to try and provide the goals.
If there's anyone found wanting at this level, then TS will weed them out. Westwood could well be one. He's on the edge. The right guidance and he's a good Prem player. But he needs a bit of inspiration to avoid an inevitable drop to the Championship.
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Love the confidence but it's rather easy to say the right things - whether he can turn the club around is an altogether different question.
He is out of his depth and I fear it will all end in tears and further acrimony but naturally, hope I'm proven wrong.
I think you will be.
I don't, and it has little to do with how good Sherwood is. Nearly every manager's tenure ends in acrimony. They've either done badly and been sacked or done well and moved upwards in the world.
You can probably count on one hand the number of recent managers who have left a club with both parties happy with the decision.
Aye, it's the closest you'll get to a surefire bet in football.
That, and 'Aston Villa 0' in recent months.
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I think there are times to use 4-4-2 so I would hope it doesn't get used every game until the end of the season or we will get a few tonkings.
With Westwood, I think he's capable of being an England player (not sure how significant that is these days). That would mean producing his current best on a regular basis though. There are some players who might be right to leave out for the moment, get the team winning and doing the right things and then bring one or two back in. That may be the case for Westwood. Even Cleverley for that matter - I've one of his harshest critics but everyone starts with a clean slate again.
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I think there are times to use 4-4-2 so I would hope it doesn't get used every game until the end of the season or we will get a few tonkings.
With Westwood, I think he's capable of being an England player (not sure how significant that is these days). That would mean producing his current best on a regular basis though. There are some players who might be right to leave out for the moment, get the team winning and doing the right things and then bring one or two back in. That may be the case for Westwood. Even Cleverley for that matter - I've one of his harshest critics but everyone starts with a clean slate again.
At the very least, if they're given a bit more creative freedom we could see them shine. I hope. Next season is huge for Westy, and indeed a lot of other Lambert mainstays like Weimann. They're shown it in flashes, but they're coming to the stage where it'll be sink or swim as a Prem player.
Cleverley has 13 games to convince us a permanent deal is on the cards. Lambert always bigged him up as an attack minded midfielder who'd score and make goals (even though TC himself once said something to the contrary IIRC) but he's barely looked like creating anything. If he's been shackled, I would guess Sherwood might allow him more freedom, but we'll see. He's playing for a Prem future. He'll want to catch a few eyes, as well as prove he'd be worth keeping here.
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I don't think Sherwoods the man, grave doubts about him
See I wrote this post before yesterday's game, I know stuff about football as this post proves
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Has he gone yet?
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press.
Not sure it's already been asked but how the hell did the press know about this 24 hours before the game?
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press.
Not sure it's already been asked but how the hell did the press know about this 24 hours before the game?
Roy Keane obviously thought cleverly had form for it!
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press.
Not sure it's already been asked but how the hell did the press know about this 24 hours before the game?
Roy Keane obviously thought cleverly had form for it!
Cleverly was the first name that came to my mind too. I hope Sherwood at least tries to find out who it was and hopefully rips them a new one.
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press. Harsh on Westwood?
Not really. He's flattered to deceive for 2 seasons now. He never (IMO) kicked on from that run of form he had between Feb and May 13. You could say the same about many others too of course, including Benteke.
Cleverley has been mediocre at best since arriving.
Delph is our best player in midfield. Sanchez has tailed off a little after a good run of form (probably fatigue more than anything), but is still probably the best man to partner Delph in a two man mid.
I'd be looking to play 4-2-3-1 to be honest. Sanchez to sit, Delph to provide energy and box to box running. The four ahead to try and provide the goals.
If there's anyone found wanting at this level, then TS will weed them out. Westwood could well be one. He's on the edge. The right guidance and he's a good Prem player. But he needs a bit of inspiration to avoid an inevitable drop to the Championship.
The problem with Westwood is that his lack of physical and athletic attributes at top flight level mean he can only really play as a holding player in a three man midfield. With better players around him, I could actually see him becoming an effective top flight player in that role, but he's limited to that position in my opinion.
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The bloke in frot of me was bellowing how clueless Sherwood is by the 50th minute. That must be some sort of record.
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press.
Not sure it's already been asked but how the hell did the press know about this 24 hours before the game?
Roy Keane obviously thought cleverly had form for it!
Cleverly was the first name that came to my mind too. I hope Sherwood at least tries to find out who it was and hopefully rips them a new one.
Someone said on one of the many threads that story was posted (might have been the pre-match one) that the article was written by somebody who got a lot of the Spurs exclusives when Sherwood was manager there.
So that would suggest that it was Sherwood himself.
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One of the main concerns I have with the players right now is they don't seem to sense the urgency of the situation. That's where I hope Sherwood gets into them this week. There's almost a complacent "we'll get out of this ok" feeling about the place right now. Even Sherwood was saying it this week. However now he's had a chance to watch a full game maybe he won't be so confident about us getting out of this without some real fight and desire. Yesterday will have been a punch in the nuts for him yesterday but maybe he needed it.
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I worry about the 4-4-2 approach. His Spurs side were wide open with that system, and we don't have the quality they did to make up for it.
It is a worry particularly as the Villa park pitch is a bit bigger than WHL aswell.
I'm not convinced for example that Sanchez can dominate in a middle two like he did in some games as a trio and reports say he had a poor game yesterday.
It will also mean our defence will be a lot more exposed and put on one on ones so with not great goalscoring that isn't a good idea.
Whenever we played 4-4-2 with MON we always looked unconvincing against top half teams and indeed we went on winless runs with that formation. That was with a much better set of players and feel around the club.
I was never against Lambert playing 4-3-3...just when our front players started to get found out playing that system there was no Plan B or alternative.
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I'm not convinced for example that Sanchez can dominate in a middle two like he did in some games as a trio and reports say he had a poor game yesterday.
Sanchez is effective between the D and centre circle and 10 yards to left and right therefore he needs a man to the left and right. These should be Delph and Cleverley/Westwood or better. Yesterday he was asked to cover far too much ground and he struggled badly in the second half to the point of liability in the last 20 minutes. He should have been subbed but we had 4 potential subable players on the pitch in the second half.
This will work (I think)
Cleverley Sanchez Delph
Gil Sinclair
Benteke
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The bloke in frot of me was bellowing how clueless Sherwood is by the 50th minute. That must be some sort of record.
Some were expressing that concern before he was appointed.
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It is amazing how often a player goes up in people's opinions when they don't play. In this case, Cleverley.
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It is amazing how often a player goes up in people's opinions when they don't play. In this case, Cleverley.
To be fair to Cleverley, I think he struggled to make an impact in the formation Lambert used him in.
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Westwood and Cleverley first to be axed according to the press.
Not sure it's already been asked but how the hell did the press know about this 24 hours before the game?
Roy Keane obviously thought cleverly had form for it!
Cleverly was the first name that came to my mind too. I hope Sherwood at least tries to find out who it was and hopefully rips them a new one.
Someone said on one of the many threads that story was posted (might have been the pre-match one) that the article was written by somebody who got a lot of the Spurs exclusives when Sherwood was manager there.
So that would suggest that it was Sherwood himself.
Heaven help us.
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It is amazing how often a player goes up in people's opinions when they don't play. In this case, Cleverley.
I'm no fan but if we continue to play 4-4-2 in home games I think it has to be him alongside Delph purely as they're the two most energetic and mobile central players we have.