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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dr Butler on February 13, 2015, 08:37:03 AM
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I will probably take some flak for this... :)
Paul's not a bad bloke in my opinion just a bad manager, He holds the club in high regard even though it did not work out for him or us but he did have some good moments(although few and far between)
I'll start with
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The Doc
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I love your sense of humour.
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That and QPR were quite exciting at home
The two Liverpool away games and the Man city and Norwich League Cups
Other than that pretty thin on the ground quality and excitement wise in 100 plus games
I tend to remember the poor performances because there was so many of them
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how about this ? (sorry about the quality and the stripey shirts)
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The Doc
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That spell at the of his first season was the best it got. Lots of goals. Benteke, lowton, Westwood in fine form, an apparent vindication of the Young and hungry policy
It's been apparent ever since that this was a flash in the pan
I feel sorry for him. Must have been extremely stressful and I inagine that fed into his increasing caution
I think we're kidding ourselves if we think we're still not in massive trouble and hardly an attractive proposition at this point in time
I'm really not sure who to expect might come in for the rest of the season but the fact that people are seriously mentioning hoddle and little is pretty telling
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A brave thread, I wonder if it will make a second page..
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Stoke away in his first season.
Pretty much every time we played Norwich.
Man City away in the League Cup.
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That spell at the of his first season was the best it got. Lots of goals. Benteke, lowton, Westwood in fine form, an apparent vindication of the Young and hungry policy
It's been apparent ever since that this was a flash in the pan
I feel sorry for him. Must have been extremely stressful and I inagine that fed into his increasing caution
I think we're kidding ourselves if we think we're still not in massive trouble and hardly an attractive proposition at this point in time
I'm really not sure who to expect might come in for the rest of the season but the fact that people are seriously mentioning hoddle and little is pretty telling
I agree.
He wasn't to know that the following season nearly all the players would have a dip. Not just one or two, the whole chuffing squad seemed to lose it!
The 3-1 win at Arsenal was fantastic. What happened just after? Wenger went out and spent £40m on Ozil.
So, we could spin it that we made Arsenal what they are now.
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I will probably take some flak for this... :)
Paul's not a bad bloke in my opinion just a bad manager, He holds the club in high regard even though it did not work out for him or us but he did have some good moments(although few and far between)
I'll start with
UTV
The Doc
Not from me.
Yes, it didn't work out, and a lot of the time it was pretty dire.
But, for me, we always seemed a couple of turns from home.
If Lerner had been a touch more willing to spend after the first season we may have got the two or three quality players that we were crying out for. We were linked with some exciting players but always had to make do with second or third best or even nothing.
Yes, it didn't work, and he did have to go, but I'll always think that it could have been so different.
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Winning 3-1 at the Emirates - Benteke and Luna
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Lowton at Stoke.
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Shortest thread ever?
They really are just moments in amongst the onslaught of ordinarily dreadful tedium served up during his tenure. The one exception for me was the 6-1 at home to Sunderland, it was the one and only complete 90 minute performance he managed in 2 and a half seasons.
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The best thing about Lambert's reign was getting some good players in relatively cheaply. He could spot a player, if he had a moderate amount of money to work with.
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I always felt that the good moments were despite the efforts of the manager rather than because of him.
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City and Chelsea at home last season. The good form at the end of his first year was the only time his team had any sort of positive consistency. Some good results on paper, Liverpool away this season, arsenal last but generally these were few and far between amongst the generally dreadful.
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City and Chelsea at home last season. The good form at the end of his first year was the only time his team had any sort of positive consistency. Some good results on paper, Liverpool away this season, arsenal last but generally these were few and far between amongst the generally dreadful.
I agree about the dismal stuff in between the rare good bits....
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The Doc
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Paul Lambert is a decent bloke and really wanted to succeed at our beloved Villa....he just wasn't up to the job but always has said good things about us. I wish him well.
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The Norwich Cup QF was special to be fair. Considering it was his first trip back there and it was a big game, the performance, especially in the second half, was really good.
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When he got fired was as good as it got.
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Great memories PWS. Top celebrations behind that goal in the away end too. Unfortunately days like that used to be the norm, not something that's happens once every year or two.
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His firing was his best moment
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Winning 3-1 at the Emirates - Benteke and Luna
I dreamt of champions league that day.
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It was the feeling that we will not get relegated now .
Maybe the new man can get Lowton playing well again .
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What frustrates and saddens me about the Lambert era is that when it was good, it was very, very good but when it was bad it was horrid, despite the protestations of excellence. The wins over Sunderland, Arsenal and Liverpool are easily among the most impressive displays I've seen with honourable mentions for the wins over Stoke and Man City and Chelsea. Why such good performances were the exception rather than the rule is beyond me.
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What frustrates and saddens me about the Lambert era is that when it was good, it was very, very good but when it was bad it was horrid, despite the protestations of excellence. The wins over Sunderland, Arsenal and Liverpool are easily among the most impressive displays I've seen with honourable mentions for the wins over Stoke and Man City and Chelsea. Why such good performances were the except rather than the rule is beyond me.
I think the difference between him and McLeish is that McLeish never tried to play an attacking style, whereas Lambert did try but largely failed, and when he did succeed could never sustain that success for very long. Good ideals but not so good ideas, I think.
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That was a great night.
4 attempts I think and 3 goals....Kozak and Delph right in front of us.
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Villa 4 Albion 3 after they were 2-0.
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In the first two seasons, and especially in the first, we scored some of the best goals I can remember any team scoring in a very long time. Some great moves, and some belting finishes. How we went from that, to so radically the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of attacking intent defies all logic.
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"Ole, ole, ole oo.....ARRGH, WHAT A FUCKING GOAL!"
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Always loved this pic of Andi Weimann after finishing the brilliant team goal against Liverpool, with a nonplussed Downing in the background.
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Andreas+Weimann+Liverpool+v+Aston+Villa+Premier+o0IXJnm8F6al.jpg)
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Always loved this pic of Andi Weimann after finishing the brilliant team goal against Liverpool, with nonplussed ****** Downing in the background.
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Andreas+Weimann+Liverpool+v+Aston+Villa+Premier+o0IXJnm8F6al.jpg)
Fixed
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http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aston-villa-players-promise-dedicate-goal-or-something-it-lambert#2WWjxmUyR3HqGH2c.01
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I think that it is my natural sense of pity or injustice that the moment he was fired I felt sorry for him. I do think he was horribly let down by senior players and administrators at the club.
I think a special mention for for my pet hate figure Gabby, who I have no doubt I would feel sorry for the moment he left.... I think he as been so poor year after year and yet continued to be given time and amazingly an new contract. All the while chirping from the sides about "his villa" he does make my blood boil except the occasional 15 minute spell in a game every 3 months when I yet again think he is the future until my son kindly puts his arm round me buys me a bovril and recants the last 3 years that I have blanked out.
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http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aston-villa-players-promise-dedicate-goal-or-something-it-lambert#2WWjxmUyR3HqGH2c.01
Gosh, how hilarious.
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The 24 pass move at Anfield which resulted in Benteke back heeling for Weimann to score was as good a Villa goal as I've ever seen.
Also, Delph at home in the league cup against ... was it Rotherham? Lovely goal.
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The 24 pass move at Anfield which resulted in Benteke back heeling for Weimann to score was as good a Villa goal as I've ever seen.
Also, Delph at home in the league cup against ... was it Rotherham? Lovely goal.
Delph against Chelsea, Lowton at Stoke and was it Weimann scored after his crossfield ball v Sunderland?
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The 24 pass move at Anfield which resulted in Benteke back heeling for Weimann to score was as good a Villa goal as I've ever seen.
Also, Delph at home in the league cup against ... was it Rotherham? Lovely goal.
Delph against Chelsea, Lowton at Stoke and was it Weimann scored after his crossfield ball v Sunderland?
Yes, it was, cracking goal.
Also at Albion, the Benteke one, edge of area where he did a little side step, pushed it to the right and twatted it past Foster.
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There were some good wins under his reign in fairness. I loved going to Emirates opening day start of last season and in the end convincingly beating them.
I honestly though we'd go on to have a good season as that result followed the strong end to 12/13. Predictably we lost our next three.
That was our trouble under him, any good result we achieved would quickly disintegrate within a week as we'd follow it with an awful result which set the tone for bad runs. For every 1-0 at home to Chelsea there was then a 1-4 the next week to Stoke.
And of course winning at Anfield was followed by the 8 nil at Chelsea and a scarcely believable Xmas horror show that very nearly relegated us.
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That was our trouble under him, any good result we achieved would quickly disintegrate within a week as we'd follow it with an awful result which set the tone for bad runs. For every 1-0 at home to Chelsea there was then a 1-4 the next week to Stoke.
And of course winning at Anfield was followed by the 8 nil at Chelsea and a scarcely believable Xmas horror show that very nearly relegated us.
That's exactly it.
We'd pull an amazing performance out of thin air, then go on an extended streak of utter shite.
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I promise I'm not taking the piss, I'm finding it very strange seeing so many Villa goals in one place. It's as if I've forgotten how to watch us score.
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I promise I'm not taking the piss, I'm finding it very strange seeing so many Villa goals in one place. It's as if I've forgotten how to watch us score.
I was staring at that clip of the Albion match and seeing the bit "Aston Villa 4" was just mindblowing.
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I promise I'm not taking the piss, I'm finding it very strange seeing so many Villa goals in one place. It's as if I've forgotten how to watch us score.
I was staring at that clip of the Albion match and seeing the bit "Aston Villa 4" was just mindblowing.
And 6-1 against Sunderland, the only chance of seeing a score like that now is on FIFA
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To be honest - the Glory moment - for me was the fact that Lambert did clearly love beimng at the club and you know as a manager he felt our history. he felt at home and he would have been a legend had it worked out for him. That it hasn't is the biggest pity of his reign.
Oh and the Benteke goals. I loved as a team goal our counter-attack at Chelsea when benteke scored in the stolen game.
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Hmm..I appreciate the sentiment of the thread but I can't believe the rose tinted glasses have been dug out of the drawer so early.
Being a bit of an old Bastard these days, I love nothing more than crushing the opposition in a way that shows them who's boss from minute 1 to 90 plus whatever. The kind of games where's there's only one winner and the only doubt would be how many goals we'd get.
Seriously...under Lambert, how many of those were there there? Sunderland aside, I can only remember hanging on for grim death in the final minutes of every victory.
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You watch all of the goals on here and recollections of good moves and displays and you'd honestly think it was harder not to build on it and succeed than fail as miserably as he did.
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You watch all of the goals on here and recollections of good moves and displays and you'd honestly think it was harder not to build on it and succeed than fail as miserably as he did.
Absolutely.
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You watch all of the goals on here and recollections of good moves and displays and you'd honestly think it was harder not to build on it and succeed than fail as miserably as he did.
Absolutely.
I'll never understand it. Get out of trouble by virtue of some of the best football we've seen in twenty years then spend the next eighteen months thinking George Graham was a reckless cavalier.
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Sunderland and Albion at home, Arsenal away and City away in the cup. I am glad he has gone and think it was overdue but I also felt a tinge of sadness I never felt with Turner, McNeil, Venglos, O'Leary, Houllier or McLeish.
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You watch all of the goals on here and recollections of good moves and displays and you'd honestly think it was harder not to build on it and succeed than fail as miserably as he did.
Absolutely.
A bit early for revisionism, but looking back he failed to build on the strong end to the first season. The players he brought in that summer just didn't move us on at all.
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Awful signings on the whole that summer, major error.
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One of the best away days ever.
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When I saw the thread title I half expected it to be filled with more Lambert low points so credit at least for rising above that guys ;)
Many of the games mentioned, Arsenal away last season, Chelsea home last season (seeing Jose losing it was pretty funny too!), Southampton Away last, West Brom Away last season, Liverpool away in Lambert's first season, the 6-1 against Sunderland. And I would add the 3-2 at home to QPR. For two reasons. One because football is all about the high and lows, and no matter how bad it was that we were down there in the first place that seasons struggle to stay up did add a bit of drama and so the high and relief of getting this result just typifys the appeal of football. And the other reason is the greatness at both ends of the pitch. Guzan's brillant saves were just as crucial in getting the three points and very eye catching too. And then the great attacking at the other end and this period will sadly be remembered as Benteke's peak at the club because I just can't see him staying beyond the summer now.
No rose tinted glasses here. Lambert's reign was one of the worse of any Villa manager, but sometimes you need to look on the bright side before facing the harsh reality again :)
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The 3-2 at home to QPR. Excitement, goals, end to end stuff. Guzan making a World Class save and Redknapp moaning after that it wasn't fair.
Enjoyed that one!
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That'd be the one PWS!
Always liked the fact the one QPR lad already has his arm up to celebrate - he knows that's a goal, surely.....
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This one often gets forgotten
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It would be digging out rose tinted glasses if we were saying 'when you look at some of the better moments, maybe we should have kept him'
Absolutely no-one is saying that, but there were some great moments, and some of them (as football rewards non-glory hunters) felt 100 times sweeter for the dross that surrounded them.
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Norwich away in the league cup was a great night.
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Norwich away in the league cup was a great night.
That whole cup run was brilliant up until the semi final.
Beating City away, spanking Norwich, giving up a 2 goal lead at Swindon only to get a 90th minute winner......
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the title of this thread must be the biggest non sequitur ever. Paul Lambert - The Glory Moments. Marvellous.
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Seeing these goal highlights reminds you of just how far off their best Benteke and Delph (and others) are currently playing.
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I was right behind that. Wasn't there at least six minutes of injury time? I was going up the wall.
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This one been mentioned?
Lamberts triple substitution and taking his jacket off against Albion. Brilliant moment, even the commentators where all like "He means business now!"
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This one been mentioned?
Lamberts triple substitution and taking his jacket off against Albion. Brilliant moment, even the commentators where all like "He means business now!"
Brilliant. It pumped me up and I said something similar to my son, "Look, he's really up for it"!
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what a way to be remembered at a club - taking off your jacket and leaving 11 coat hangers on the field.