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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: exigo on February 11, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
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Fanfookingtastic Mr fox
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I'm Shocked, thought it was never going to happen.
Get Michael Laudrup now
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Phew!
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Marshall x 2 preparing the team for sunday.
PL sacked in the USA
Pat Mc understands
a weight has lifted a bit!
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Good riddance
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Just come through as an alert on my phone. Didn't expect this tonight.
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I wish we all had live cams, I want to see every ones joy
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Is Ads available?
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Yes!!!!! and good fucking riddance.
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Bye Paul. Thanks for trying. Sorry it didn't work out.
... and now we have a sliver of hope for the rest of the season.
UTV!
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Oh God. Here we go. Fingers crossed now. It just can't be any worse now can it?
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Well, at least the orange dot had some effect.
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This is just the start. A good one, but I hope we don't fuck up the rest of the bit too badly.
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Dancing
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Thank goodness for that, thank the lord that Lerner and Fox have given us a chance. It's funny whenever this happens I always feel sympathy for the sacked party, not in terms of the fact he didn't deserve it. But he seemed a reasonable bloke and it's always sad when someone isn't up to their job. However completely the right decision and we now have a bit of hope.
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Thank fucking god!
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I actually feel sorry for him now he's gone - he clearly wasn't up to the task and was floundering. However it is a positive step and the club need to act fast and wisely to stop relegation.
Over to you Randy and Tom.
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Hopefully now we have a chance.
This news has made my night!
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Its not a prank,seems to be true. Thank god. Will be interesting to see how well the team responds.
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Firmly expected it today and its the right call. Easy money in hindsight for anyone who lumped on Lambert getting the boot after last night
This next week is going to be torture but that home cup game against Leicester is as handy an opening game for a new manager as possible really.
Paul Lambert is a good guy and was a good appointment at the time.
But he was miles out of his depth unfortunately.
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Fuck yes. Now do not fuck up his replacement you idiots
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I don't hate the guy but it's the right decision, hopefully whoever comes in can turn this around. Let's face it, at the moment they'd be hard pressed to be shitter.
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It was inevitable after last night. Now we need to pray that they Lerner &Co show a lot moee nousvwith their next appointment. Squeaky bum time indeed.
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Ding fucking dong!
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Two seasons too late but at least they have acted. We have more of a chance now as we'll hopefully play some football.
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wicked best news in years
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Thank fuck! I've been watching H&V/Twitter/Sky/BBC all day - I pop out for 15 minutes and he's gone!
Personally, I don't hate Lambert - he was the choice of many fans, but he just wasn't right for the job and the results and performances were just so appalling there could be no other option.
Let's hope it's not too late.
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I actually feel sorry for him now he's gone - he clearly wasn't up to the task and was floundering. However it is a positive step and the club need to act fast and wisely to stop relegation.
Over to you Randy and Tom.
That's exactly my feelings on it.
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I hated her more when she said it it in the words of the bitch
Rejoice rejoice tonight people!
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Well, that proves Richard Dawkins wrong about the existence of a God.
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COME ON!!
Get fucking in, come on Villa boys, we've got the players to do this.
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Best. News. Ever.
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Tell you what Villa don't half do things on the quiet,
not a sniff all day then bang
They could work for MI5
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SSN now have it on the scroll but nothing on da Beeb
Edit.......Beeb have now caught up
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Glad he's gone but what do Fox and Lerner know about appointing football managers.
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I honestly thought he'd be here till the end of time.
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Please get so done good in,randy. Laudrup?
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I'm actually shocked at how relieved I am by this news. It's like a weight off my shoulders, which is ridiculous really!
Anyway, it's way, way too late, but so so good!
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FUCKING GET IN!
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We might still go down but we now have a fighting chance.
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I heralded him in, i play a fanfare on my trumpet at his departure.
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USA, USA.....
Great news, it's like a new signing!
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Season saved!
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We might still go down but we now have a fighting chance.
We wont now
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I actually feel sorry for him now he's gone - he clearly wasn't up to the task and was floundering. However it is a positive step and the club need to act fast and wisely to stop relegation.
Over to you Randy and Tom.
I don't have any sympathy for him, with his record and it getting worse by the week he should have resigned.
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So, the KEY challenge - does the administration actually have a clue what to do now?
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I'm surprised and I'm not. It's for the best anyway. It was getting beyond a joke.
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'Aston Villa confirms tonight that 5 months after the ridiculous decision to give him a new four year contract, Paul Lambert becomes the latest member of the 'walk away from villa with £5m in your sky rocket' club.
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More importantly now, Lerner has to appoint the right man for the first time in his Aston Villa ownership.
Something I'm still worried about....please not Warnock.
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So, the KEY challenge - does the administration actually have a clue what to do now?
My hunch is yes
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Get the fuck in!
This is where we're supposed to show a degree of magnanimity and wish him all the best for the future I suppose.
But balls to that, good riddance!
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I'm sure no-one will be disappointed by this news, but my word, what a terrible way to run a football club.
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Was watching the Chelsea v Everton match, when I heard the news. Totally lost interest in the match now. FANTASTIC NEWS. Should add a few thousand to the gate on Sunday. Laudrup for me.
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More importantly now, Lerner has to appoint the right man for the first time in his Aston Villa ownership.
Something I'm still worried about....please not Warnock. :'(
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I'm very surprised, really didn't think it would be until after Leicester. Will be interesting to see what happens next. No January window, club in bottom three and an owner who wants to sell...who would want the job? Such reputational risk to your career of you had a relegation on your CV.
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Lets get Bielsa in. Millions of goals and loads of fun. Would be just what we need. We'd only need to pay Marseille a million or so.
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HALLEFUCKINLUJAH!!! DING DONG THE INCOMPETENT ONE IS GONE!!! :D
Its very weird celebrating a sacking as if we've just scored 3 goals in 5 minutes.
Today is a good day!!!
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So, the KEY challenge - does the administration actually have a clue what to do now?
Almost certain we have no-one lined up considering the board supported a bid for Rickie Lambert only a couple of weeks ago.
Bilic, Laudrup, Tuchel etc all seem to be ruling out a new gig until the summer.
Tiger Tim might have a free run to the job
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The relief i feel at this moment is incredible and it's not just because I'm taking a dump.
Strap yourselves in, it's going to be a rough ride till the seasons end.
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Well I was down there today and no one had the decency to pop out and tell me. Least of all Tom Fox!
Mind you it was a bit cold.
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Get Eddie Howe in please Lerner.
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Who's happier? Us or the players?
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Harry no knees as a stop gap ?....I get my coat
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Get Eddie Howe in please Lerner.
No chance this season, he will want to complete the job at Bournemouth and take them up.
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Prandelli, please.
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Fucking yes! You have to wonder why it's taken so long. Let's hope they don't also drag their feet in finding a successor.
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It's needed, Burnley are drawing away at Man U.
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Hoddle for me
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I can't get that song by the Glaswegian outfit out my head, Daddy's Gone!
I never liked the song and now it's stuck in there.
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Get Eddie Howe in please Lerner.
Not another up and comer. He job is too big unless they have egos the size of a blue whale. Like Lambert, the enormity would crush him.
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I actually feel sorry for him now he's gone - he clearly wasn't up to the task and was floundering. However it is a positive step and the club need to act fast and wisely to stop relegation.
Over to you Randy and Tom.
That's exactly my feelings on it.
Same here, I hope his career recovers to some degree. Was always respectful towards the club and the fans. On a personal level the last few months must have been pretty horrendous. And before anyone says anything, money isn't everything to everyone.
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Get in! Delighted.
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OH MY GOD
Just went onto the BBC Sports App to see the scores tonight and read the news
I am over the bloody moon, fantastic news, thank god
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Blues fans seem to be inundating 5Live with tweets.
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As soon as they went we have breaking managerial news on Sky and went to the Man.Utd v Burnley game for 2mins I knew straight away it wasn't anything to do with Leicester or QPR.....
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Happy for the first time in ages! Should've happened before Christmas. Hope we can save our PL status.
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What a shame it didn't work out.
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Get the fuck in!
This is where we're supposed to show a degree of magnanimity and wish him all the best for the future I suppose.
But balls to that, good riddance!
To be honest, If I was Lambert, apart from whatever payoff he'll receive, I'd be seriously worried about my future. With all the negative records he's broken here, he'll find it incredibly difficult to persuade any decent size club to give him a chance.
As for us, it really had to happen. Undeniably should have happened far far sooner, but at least it's given us a chance of staying up now. I'm firmly of the belief that literally anyone would be better at this stage.
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Who are these tossers texting in to Radio 5? Apparently since 1981 we've been constantly midtable with a few relegation battles thrown in and thus do not deserve to be in the top flight. From someone who was allegedly there in '81. Bluenose on a windup presumably.
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Good work.
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Don't forget Lambert was the front man for the ineptitude going on behind the scenes in the boardroom. Just because he is gone does not mean we are out of the woods yet.
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Don't forget Lambert was the front man for the ineptitude going on behind the scenes in the boardroom. Just because he is gone does not mean we are out of the woods yet.
No of course but an immediate change was needed.
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Let's be honest his reign was wretched from start to finish. His first home game and being 0-3 down at half time to Everton set the tone for all sorts of ineptitude and awful records to be broken.
It just couldn't go on so at least we have a chance now.
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I hope that is the most bizarre managerial reign I witness at villa park.
Ridiculous, I'll never understand what happened to his philosophy.
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Fuck me, it feels like winning a match. I have just danced about my living room like a drunk uncle at a bad family do.
Get in.
Now appoint someone strong please Fox
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Paul Lambert statement: "I've been excellent. I'll pick myself up and go again."
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Don't worry about lambert he will walk with £5-6m lump sum and won't need to work again. Bet his estranged wife will want a good whack of that though.
Nice enough bloke. Fully out of his depth .
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12-02-2015
Latest from B6.
Aston Villa Football Club has parted company this evening with manager Paul Lambert.
First-team coach Scott Marshall and goalkeeping coach Andy Marshall will continue to prepare the squad for Sunday's FA Cup tie with Leicester City at Villa Park.
The club would also like to place on record its thanks to Paul and take this opportunity to wish him every success in the future.
The club will announce a new manager in due course.
There will be no further comment from the club at this stage.
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Lambert will definitely start next season at a large Championship club that wants to get promoted and feel they deserve it e.g. Leeds, Blackburn, Wolves.
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Now need to steady the ship, get some belief back and play six out of the bottom seven teams before May with some points returning to B6. Seems a shame for PL personally but hey...
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I do feel some empathy for Lambert. Not much at all, considering he was destroying our top flight status and the shit served up over the last 3 years.
However, to see his face after Hull scored their second, was to see the face of a completely broken man who had absolutely no idea how to get himself and the team out of the situation.
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I actually feel sorry for him now he's gone - he clearly wasn't up to the task and was floundering. However it is a positive step and the club need to act fast and wisely to stop relegation.
Over to you Randy and Tom.
I don't have any sympathy for him, with his record and it getting worse by the week he should have resigned.
And the huge money he was on?I haven't one iota of sympathy for him. I'm overjoyed
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Don't worry about lambert he will walk with £5-6m lump sum and won't need to work again. Bet his estranged wife will want a good whack of that though.
Nice enough bloke. Fully out of his depth .
No he won't, yes he will and if they're separated she can't.
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Excellent work excellent Villa.
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Glad he's gone, but disappointed it didn't work out with him. Be very interesting to see how we play Sunday now.
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I just pulled Mrs Remy off the phone to her mum to tell her that Lambert has left the club. She looked at me like WTF !!
Im sorry but I feel happy that he is no longer the manager of AVFC. He has a few million to cheer him up. He's probably happier than US.
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I do feel some empathy for Lambert. Not much at all, considering he was destroying our top flight status and the shit served up over the last 3 years.
However, to see his face after Hull scored their second, was to see the face of a completely broken man who had absolutely no idea how to get himself and the team out of the situation.
Exactly and I can't help but feel some compassion for that now.
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Good news. Should have happened a long while ago. Doing it now shows how everyone at the club was just waiting for something to change by itself.
Still, better now than never. Get Laudrup in and we can look forward to staying up.
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Get Eddie Howe in please Lerner.
Not another up and comer. He job is too big unless they have egos the size of a blue whale. Like Lambert, the enormity would crush him.
Roy Keane it is then. Failing that, a Malcolm Tucker type. Someone who can use the carrot and stick approach.
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Hoddle for me
No, no and thrice no. I don't want that bloke anywhere near Villa
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I'm shocked that MSN messenger is still going.
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When the kids were little all great Villa news was greeted by the males of the family stripping down to their underpants and dancing round the house. We called it Underpants Dancing. I just had to do it on my own.
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Sherwood favourite with the bookies, could be the reason he was stalling on the QPR job and has been spotted at VP twice in recent games.
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Be leaving with a few million squid so not too sorry for him when I still have to work for peanuts.
He should have been put out of his misery months ago, hope its not too late.
I reckon it'll be Sherwood next.
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I just pulled Mrs Remy off the phone to her mum to tell her that Lambert has left the club. She looked at me like WTF !!
Im sorry but I feel happy that he is no longer the manager of AVFC. He has a few million to cheer him up. He's probably happier than US.
My birthday was last week and have now opened one of the bottles of champers I received. Said to the wife, ho ho, it felt like xmas morning. She said you look happier tonight than you did at my Moms at Xmas!
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Thought it would never happen. Wish him all the best but the club needed something to give (could've been done about 2 years ago)
The worry now shifts to who they will appoint (gulp)!
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Chuffed he's gone, long overdue though. At least this will give s more of a chance of staying up.
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I'm shocked that MSN messenger is still going.
Blimey that's a harsh way to sack somebody
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I'm filling up although it is at least a year too late.
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Pat Murphy praising Dave W and Heroes and Villains on R5 just now! Surreal evening...
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The anonymous Marshall twins have been put in charge - god help us. They should have gone too - get Sid in for the weekend - at least he knows what a successful Villa team looks like.
And to all those who have stayed away - he has gone so come back on Sunday and fill the ground - get behind the team and maybe we could be in the draw for the QF of the FA Cup by Sunday night.
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I never like to see anyone lose their job, even it is a gold-plated football position. That said, I voted for him to be sacked in the poll. As has been said ad nauseum, the job was too big for him. Another case of a seemingly decent bloke in the wrong job at the wrong time. A pity in a way, as I always thought that as a club, he got us. More importantly, Aston Villa MUST come first.
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Laudrup ????? FFS - He's less hand-on than 'arry - took a lot of credit for Swansea that belonged elsewhere - stories from the training ground do not show him in a good light ..
NO THANKS
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Pat Murphy was praising us? Why?
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Figured as much. Now we hope we can stay up with a bounce. Please please!
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All this wish him well bollocks? Fuck him, he should have gone 2 years ago, useless chancer.
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Beeb reckons shortest odds on Tim Sherwood and Klinnsman, I'd take Jurgen in a flash
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Laudrup has turned the QPR job down....has Lerner talked him out of it?
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Pat Murphy praising Dave W and Heroes and Villains on R5 just now! Surreal evening...
Nothing surreal about it. Me & Pat have always been buddies.
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Thank fuck - 2 years late & but hopefully not too late.
That's the easy part done, I know almost anyone is an improvement but who the hell is available?
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Best news for years. I can't even wish him a fond farewell
Just delighted he's gone. He's sucked the life out the club along with Lerner and i'm fucking ECSTATIC to see the back of him
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Beeb reckons shortest odds on Tim Sherwood and Klinnsman, I'd take Jurgen in a flash
This
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Pat Murphy was praising us? Why?
No idea but Pat, you read this. I still think you are a twat who dislikes our club. :)
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It had to be done. We now at least have a chance . Sherwood for me.
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94 league cupo final DVDs gone on, its party night in my house right now! Amazing how much enthusiasm can come back after a bit of good news for a change.
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Pat Murphy was praising us? Why?
No idea but Pat, you read this. I still think you are a twat who dislikes our club. :)
He isn't, and he doesn't.
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However, to see his face after Hull scored their second, was to see the face of a completely broken man who had absolutely no idea how to get himself and the team out of the situation.
Which is why he went.
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I'm glad he's gone but feel some sympathy for him. He had good ideas initially but lacked the personality or the talent to really implement them fully. I fear that it may be too late to avoid the drop though.
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Could argue it's a year or so too late, although realistically, maybe 3 weeks too late.
We are in a really bad position now and there is IMO a good chance we won't recover from here. I think after a few lucky-to-stay-up years, this was one too many.
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It had to be done. We now at least have a chance . Sherwood for me.
Absolutely no to him
WE NEED EXPERIENCE
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Sorry it didn't work out with Lambert. Let's face it, the best for all parties would have been a long period of stability with Lambert improving on each season, but the opposite happened. Hope he finds his way again.
Which got me thinking - is it confirmation bias or do Villa seem to be the graveyard of up and coming managers? How many Villa managers go on to better things after Villa? Thinking Turner (was up and coming), Little (last seen sacked by Gainsborough), Gregory, Lambert ... all were on an upward trajectory till they came here.
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What's peoples fascination with Tim Sherwood?? I'd rather stay up thanks
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Quote from: villadelph on Today at 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on Today at 04:35:12 PM
Clock is ticking now. He will be gone by the end of the week.
Don't hold your breath. Lerner and Fox will absolutely give him his Cup quarterfinal.
So you're convinced we'll beat Leicester then?
As called by your Super Soaraway Kippax earlier today :-)
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If we can find a stand in until the end of the season I'd go and get De Boer. He's hit a glass ceiling over here.
Sir Graham to ride over the hill on his white horse to help out short term anyone?
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Well I am surprised, didn't think it would happen so soon. I wish the guy no ill, just wasn't up for the job. Show be an interesting atmosphere on Sunday.
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Beeb reckons shortest odds on Tim Sherwood and Klinnsman, I'd take Jurgen in a flash
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We should've gone all out for him 5 years ago, he was the right choice then and he's certainly in the top 2 or 3 now, has the attitude, profile and tactics needed to get us back on track. See also Cesare Prandelli.
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I reckon had he come in and started this possession style of football straight away we may had gotten somewhere by now.
The 'young and hungry' time was what we as fans had been asking for, but he should have been able to go for the top of the pile, not half way down. For this the blame lies firmly at Lerners feet.
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I'm not convinced by Sherwood.
But I'm not sure who should come in. Short-term, we need some excellent coaching input. And, we should be thinking short-term because we are currently in a serious relegation battle.
Klinnsman may be the big name that generates the turnaround: I think Rene Muleunsteen would do the coaching job we need. Who really is credible and achievable?
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Should have been done months ago when there was more time and more options for a replacement. Had to go - probably time and stats will reflect he was the worst manager in our history. I wanted him here but for some reason he never really got us playing even as well as he did so for Norwich. The acid test for the board now is to get someone who can keep us up. I just hope it's not too late
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He's taken my beloved club from mid table mediocrity (I love the Villa but I'm not stupid) to a national joke, how many times can we get beaten by quite frankly shite lower league clubs or get thumped by 5+ goals in a game?
If I was as bad at my job as he was then I would have been placed on a capability, I would then have been fired with no pay out. He should have left after the 8-0 to Chelsea, the loss to Bradford and the 5-0 to Arsenal.
Good bye Lambert, don't fucking come back!
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It's a sign of how low our stock has fallen & how desperate we have become that names like Sherwood, Laudrup are considered acceptable. No doubt it was the right thing for the club & Lambert himself.
But we seem to go from one fuck up to the next.
Tom Fox this is your chance to put this right, the bar is set very low.
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Beeb reckons shortest odds on Tim Sherwood and Klinnsman, I'd take Jurgen in a flash
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We should've gone all out for him 5 years ago, he was the right choice then and he's certainly in the top 2 or 3 now, has the attitude, profile and tactics needed to get us back on track. See also Cesare Prandelli.
I'd love to get someone like that in, I really don't want to end up with one of the usual journeymen or someone like Sherwood. Look at the Koeman appointment, a stroke of genius. And the law of averages says the board have to get it right eventually...
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Those pictures of Fox schmoozing Sherwood the other week are a real concern.
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Yeah, Laudrup"s time at Swansea wasn't great, by all accounts.
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I reckon had he come in and started this possession style of football straight away we may had gotten somewhere by now.
The 'young and hungry' time was what we as fans had been asking for, but he should have been able to go for the top of the pile, not half way down. For this the blame lies firmly at Lerners feet.
He did, and we created fuck all, and then abandoned it because we didn't have the personnel and when we got into a relegation scrap.
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And, FFS, NO to 'arry!!
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I was at Stamford Bridge when we let in eight, I felt pretty low that day but not as low as last nights shambolic performance.
Glad he's gone the football has been dire but the problem with Villa starts from the top down to the various management and coaches.
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Relief is palpable, similar sensation to the one you experience when evacuating a Boxing Day log. Just hope the clean up operation is as effective, don't want us skid marking our way into the championship. (kinda lost the thread towards the end there but you get my drift)
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Stuck up for him in the early days but he slowly lost me with his negative tactics.
Roll on Sunday party time lets attack the fooking hell outa Leicester and get the smiles back.
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He must have blagged and bought himself time with the Chavski and Arse defeats dependant on the Hull game. The 2nd goal went in and he was a dead man walking. Im going to Villa Park on Sunday with a smile on my face which I havent had for ages. Enthusiasm for the upcoming match rather than a sinking feeling.
Stop with this sympathy bollucks. He has brought the club to its knees.
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Don't think Sherwood's the answer - 6 months total managerial 'experience' with an expensively assembled squad didn't show whether he's got what it takes. And that salute to Adebayor was just embarrassing. Wouldn't want Hoddle either - my youngest son is disabled and Hoddle's beliefs make my piss boil. Klinsmann on the other hand.........I'd wet my dry stock!
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Sherwood has 6 months big job experience, I don't understand why he has the right to be linked to any premier league jobs
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Paul Lambert statement: "I've been excellent. I'll pick myself up and go again."
Him going is for sure the first really excellent news this year! . There is still a massive step to be made to keep our status!, Please Villa don't cock it up!
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The beers are on me.
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Anyone is available at the right price, Lerner surely realises what he will potentially lose and Fox needs to reinforce that when they look for a successor. And that's what it needs to be, a successor, NOT a replacement.
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Beeb reckons shortest odds on Tim Sherwood and Klinnsman, I'd take Jurgen in a flash
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We should've gone all out for him 5 years ago, he was the right choice then and he's certainly in the top 2 or 3 now, has the attitude, profile and tactics needed to get us back on track. See also Cesare Prandelli.
I'd love to get someone like that in, I really don't want to end up with one of the usual journeymen or someone like Sherwood. Look at the Koeman appointment, a stroke of genius. And the law of averages says the board have to get it right eventually...
I echo this. Get it right this time, nobody who's been a failure at another club.
Can't see Klinnsman coming though, but someone with charisma would be great
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Forget about Klinsmann on Randy budget levels. Glenn Hoddle as DOF with Tim Sherwood as coach - the rumour starts here.
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Merson talking crap on SSN. Apparently Lambertis a good manager who has been unlucky.
Yes Paul unlucky for 3 seasons.
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Merson talking crap on SSN. Apparently Lambertis a good manager who has been unlucky.
Yes Paul unlucky for 3 seasons.
Pat Murphy
He's a tough Glaswegian, he can look after himself. And he'll get over this one. In certain areas I don't think he did a bad job, but that's a heretical observation for many Aston Villa fans."
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Pat Murphy was praising us? Why?
No idea but Pat, you read this. I still think you are a twat who dislikes our club. :)
In the BFR and Little eras he was always full of good stuff to say about us on radio. He was only echoing what we were all saying about lambert
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What a relief
My tortoise shell is now off
Over the moon , it was our only chance of staying up.
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Merson talking crap on SSN. Apparently Lambertis a good manager who has been unlucky.
Yes Paul unlucky for 3 seasons.
Nice guy. The brain a size of a pea though. Thick as a brick, even by Lambert standards
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It's a sign of how low our stock has fallen & how desperate we have become that names like Sherwood, Laudrup are considered acceptable. No doubt it was the right thing for the club & Lambert himself.
But we seem to go from one fuck up to the next.
Tom Fox this is your chance to put this right, the bar is set very low.
Why on earth is someone like Laudrup "unacceptable" He won a trophy at Swansea and got them finishing 8th ffs.
If these are unacceptable then what do you make of us finishing 6th three times in a row and our shortlist comprised of Houllier, Curbishley, McClaren and whatever out of work managers were doing the rounds at the time.
It's a tricky one, at this stage it's crying out for a Pulis type quick fix but that would mean little long term planning and we'd possibly be in the same stage 2 years down the line.
A Sherwood or Laudrup would be a bit more with a long term outlook.
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I believe in Football again!!!! Yes!!!!!!
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Pat Murphy thinks we need a modern coach or someone who understands the club. He has just recommended Brian Little! Someone who knows the DNA of the club...
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Im going to Villa Park on Sunday with a smile on my face which I havent had for ages. Enthusiasm for the upcoming match rather than a sinking feeling.
Same here. I was not going to go and it would have been a first home game specially a cup games that I would have missed in years but now I'll be there,
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Murphy's just nominated Sir Brian Little for the job!
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I was at Stamford Bridge when we let in eight, I felt pretty low that day but not as low as last nights shambolic performance.
Glad he's gone the football has been dire but the problem with Villa starts from the top down to the various management and coaches.
i was at both games. Last night was the end for me ... and obviously for Lambarse too.
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Klinsmann is silly talk isn't it?
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My problem with Laudrup is the stories from Swansea about how little he was involved with things. And my problem with Tim Sherwood is he seems a right twat.
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Merson talking crap on SSN. Apparently Lambertis a good manager who has been unlucky.
Yes Paul unlucky for 3 seasons.
Don't worry Fletch and Savage will be tackling it on BT tonight. Can't wait....
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I've always said post Lambert we really should go down the foreign route as these high tempo british managers just haven't done it for us in recent years and the football has been dismal.
That said WBA hiring Pepe Mel around this time last year didn't work out, they were lucky to stay up so it is a risk at this stage of the season, Lambert really should've been potted at the start of January.
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Shame Gregory in recovery , would have gone back for him on short term contract. Hope we appoint quicker than we dismiss
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Pat Murphy thinks we need a modern coach or someone who understands the club. He has just recommended Brian Little! Someone who knows the DNA of the club...
The critical issue is not the manager but the coaching staff - if Sir B could bring in a decent coaching staff, I'd love it.
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Murphy's just nominated Sir Brian Little for the job!
Bizzare
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Prandelli. I don't want Sherwood.
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If nothing else folks, let's get the f**k right behind the team on Sunday.
Sing our hearts out for the lads!
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Klinsmann is silly talk isn't it?
Don't know why he'd drop the long-term rebuilding project he's already spent ages being a part of in the US so as to jump into a relegation battle.
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What's all this 'tough Glaswegian' business? Nigel Peareon saying he could look after himself and fought off packs of wild dogs. On this basis we should appoint one of the Klitchko bros or anyone hard.
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Stuart Pearce is available......
:-(
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Well I think that Randy has panicked realising that he cannot sell the club and quite possibly will miss out on all that lovely money next season.
But it appears Tom Fox is the main man at the moment He was on the commercial side at the Arsenal so what he knows about hiring the right sort of person to keep us in the top flight I couldn't begin to guess.
Klinnsman would be a popular choice with his American connections. Randy may throw a shed load of dollars at him to see if he could be tempted.
More interesting is what will Roy Keane say now his mate has gone? Some of the players must be shaking in their shoes. Keane tends to tell it like it is. We could be in for an interesting few days.
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
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I never wanted him, he was better than I thought after the first year, then worse than I could have possibly imagined for the remainder of his tenure.
Every now and again, one of us on here will mention how MON was so good at one thing - motivation - that it almost (but not quite) made up for his failings elsewhere. And he must have been incredible at motivation, because blimey was he bad at signings, tactics and squad rotation.
Lambert was similar. He is actually remarkably good at one thing - signings - and absolutely awful at practically everything else. He has one tactic, namely the counterattack, and when that doesn't work he has nothing else. Instead of motivating and keeping himself up during these times, he visibly (and understandably) wearied from his normal dreary self to apparently suicidal. Everything went wrong.
In the end, he seems to be a good scout who doesn't actually know how to get teams to play good football. The poor bastard presided over some of the most humiliating debacles in our recent history, and the extent to which he could blame his circumstances is mitigated by the fact that he's actually good at signing players on a budget. It'll be good for him to take a break. As for us, this might have come too late to save us, but it needed to come nonetheless.
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
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I think with the DOF intention, this is a really good opportunity to find a combination to get it right.
I don't like Sherwood as a bloke at all, but I think he has something as a coach/ manager from what I have seen of him, and at least has some fight in him.
Getting a good technical manager is a gamble with so little time to get it right to stay up.
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Thank fuck! I've been watching H&V/Twitter/Sky/BBC all day - I pop out for 15 minutes and he's gone!
Haha ditto I went for a run.
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Whoever, we need to be incredibly careful about this next appointment.
I mentioned Laudrup earlier but only because I am aware of him being available and did some good things at Swansea. He also did lots of shit stuff, so probably not.
I wouldn't touch Sherwood with yours.
I have no idea who!
UTV!
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Full house at Leicester and Stoke, the crowd going wild making the loudest noise would be lush.
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One thing you can absolutely bank on. We will blow Leicester away. The atmosphere will be like a rebirth after years of MON, Houllier, TSM and TSM2. Have not looked forward to a Villa game so much for years.
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I think Tom Fox will be looking for next Arsene Wenger for a manager. I reckon he will ring Arsene for his recommendation.
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Thank fuck! I've been watching H&V/Twitter/Sky/BBC all day - I pop out for 15 minutes and he's gone!
Haha ditto I went for a run.
I've had the runs for about 2 and a half seasons!
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Thank fuck! I've been watching H&V/Twitter/Sky/BBC all day - I pop out for 15 minutes and he's gone!
Haha ditto I went for a run.
I had done my run earlier luckily. Lovely mild evening for it down here, caught that bit of the evening when dusk falls and all the birds are singing. They must have known!
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Full house at Leicester and Stoke, the crowd going wild making the loudest noise would be lush.
This.
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
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Thank fuck! I've been watching H&V/Twitter/Sky/BBC all day - I pop out for 15 minutes and he's gone!
Haha ditto I went for a run.
I had done my run earlier luckily. Lovely mild evening for it down here, caught that bit of the evening when dusk falls and all the birds are singing. They must have known!
Its a happy night in Horsham for sure, richard
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Good riddance.
He has killed my passion for football with his embarrassing results, performances and records over the past two and a half years. I used to look forward to a match day more than anything else in the world but he managed to knock that feeling out of me and thousands of other Villa fans.
Now we have a chance, we might not do it with the damage that has been done, but I know whoever comes in will get our 110% backing for the next 14 (or more, fingers crossed) games.
UP THE VILLA!!!
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Sir Alex to the end of the season....and his black coat...and his watch!
He needs something to do...and he knows what to do.
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
I think he's alright
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I think Tom Fox will be looking for next Arsene Wenger for a manager. I reckon he will ring Arsene for his recommendation.
The fucker owes us for the 8-0 and 6 points we've handed him this season.
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Actually, that's not a bad shout
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
I think he's alright
He was very arsey with me on Twitter once over nothing very important. Doesn't appear to have much sense of humour.
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He got off way too lightly, if we do still go down he'll always be able to say it wasn't me, I'd have turned it around.
Anyway, onwards and upwards, Lerner needs to sit back and let Fox do his thing, no stupid hair brained McLeish type ideas.
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It would be ironic if this is the appointment when we pick a progressive coach and we may for once actually need an experienced been-there-seen it type manager.
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Southgate appointed apparently.
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Just seen this - thank feck for that, we may have a slim chance of saving ourselves now. I suspected it would take a drop into the relegation zone before the American idiot woke up and smelled the shit, and so it has proven, and maybe the defeat last night was worth it in the long run.
I have no idea who we should get in except I hope we go foreign - British, and especially Scottish, managers are almost universally shite. Bollocks to former players, people "with a feeling for the club", and an insistence on PL experience - other clubs have shown it's far more important just to get someone who know his arse from his elbow tactically and who can motivate players to go out and perform.
Failing that, at least we have the consolation that even Lerner would struggle to unearth someone who could make us play worse than Lambert has had us playing recently.
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Lets hope we are not all here again in 12 months time debating the next manager after Billy Davies has been sacked after frogmarching us towards League One. I say that tongue in cheek but would not be surprised if it were to come true. Lerner seems to have an uncanny ability to appoint the shittiest of managers.
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Southgate appointed apparently.
?????
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Better late than never
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
I think he's alright
I've never understood the thing about him. I've always liked him. He took the view about Lerner ages ago being silent, which most of us mocked him about and now must of us think this. Is it down to his love of M'ON ?
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I went mental, think I woke the street
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Actually, that's not a bad shout
Think the times right
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I would sooner have Redknapp than Southgate and I detest Redknapp.
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I don't wish him any harm but Christ he was terrible
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
I think he's alright
I've never understood the thing about him. I've always liked him. He took the view about Lerner ages ago being silent, which most of us mocked him about and now must of us think this. Is it down to his love of M'ON ?
I think a lot of it is because he's always been objective and never takes sides. He is, though, a great broadcaster and a very good writer.
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I cant see it being Redknap, he's just quit because he cant walk
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Moyes? Not my ideal choice but if the alternatives are Warnock or Sherwood..
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
I think he's alright
I've never understood the thing about him. I've always liked him. He took the view about Lerner ages ago being silent, which most of us mocked him about and now must of us think this. Is it down to his love of M'ON ?
I think a lot of it is because he's always been objective and never takes sides. He is, though, a great broadcaster and a very good writer.
Add me to the Pat Murphy fan club
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Actually, that's not a bad shout
No Southgate is a ****! And a shite manager.
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David Platt is available. Steve Hodge and Ugo Ehiogu and Dwight Yorke too.
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On the subject of Pat Murphy he was extremely arsey with me at a radio forum we went to at VP. Unusually for me, I did absolutely nothing to deserve it.
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I didn't think they would do it, simply because no one at the club has any connections in the football world to find an adequate replacement.
I also thought that the club wouldn't want to pay out any more compensation money pre-sale. That said, no doubt anyone that bought the club would only sack him anyway.
Also, sale or no sale, the risk of losing tens of millions of pounds if the club got relegated, which is now a realistic possibility, must now be a major factor.
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Came out of a professionals networking event in the centre of Shrewsbury an hour ago, switched my mobile on, and had a stream of happy texts all on the same subject.
Younger son who lives in London: 'Just heading to Camden to celebrate and get smashed'!
How the mood can change in just 24 hours.
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Ugo's currently a coach a Spurs U21s. Have them both back where they belong.
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Ugo's currently a coach a Spurs U21s. Have them both back where they belong.
At Middlesbrough?
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Ugo's currently a coach a Spurs U21s. Have them both back where they belong.
Midlesbro?
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Just woke up to this news.
Relieved and not all that surprised. It really had to happen.
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Lambert gone, still in the FA Cup, could be a remarkable turn around!
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Fergusson on a short term contract just to see Keane ' s reaction if he lifted the F.A.Cup.
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I'd love to know the details. Wonder if it was the media more than the results, or just going into the bottom three alone.
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I've got through the euphoria stage and am now at the scared of the thought they are looking at the message boards to see who the supporters want.
My dream management team is either Dean Saunders and Harry Redknapp or Brian Horton and Iain Dowie
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Fergie has probably won more games at Villa Park the TSM2 did.
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Southgate appointed apparently.
Where did you hear that?
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I never hated Pat Murphy (I like him as a cricket correspondent), but following his insistence that we need a modern manager by suggesting Tim Sherwood and Sir Brian was not a demonstration of flawless logic.
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Every silver lining has a cloud! Smethwick have just scored
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I've got through the euphoria stage and am now at the scared of the thought they are looking at the message boards to see who the supporters want.
My dream management team is either Dean Saunders and Harry Redknapp or Brian Horton and Iain Dowie
It's sometimes difficult to tell the joke suggestions from the truly awful ones.
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Thank fuck! I've been watching H&V/Twitter/Sky/BBC all day - I pop out for 15 minutes and he's gone!
Haha ditto I went for a run.
I had done my run earlier luckily. Lovely mild evening for it down here, caught that bit of the evening when dusk falls and all the birds are singing. They must have known!
Its a happy night in Horsham for sure, richard
Good stuff my friend, hope you are well!
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Knew he was going, I said it last night when I saw his eyes watering after the second goal.
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Most of Leamore heard (and witnessed) my reaction to this. Thanks to all concerned for the barrage of texts and messages in the middle of the Black Country Dance Festival.
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Ugo's currently a coach a Spurs U21s. Have them both back where they belong.
At Middlesbrough?
Haha, that was just a collective brain fade from the pair of them.
I'd forgotten all about the "Mouthgate" side to be honest.
Let's get Alpay in as 1st team coach and we'd have our "grass is greener" coaching team.
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Southgate appointed apparently.
Where did you hear that?
I wouldn't expect an appointment before the Leicester match.
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O'Leary with Hodge as assistant anyone?
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
That was my reaction.
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I like Southgate but his only club management experience was a shambles. Having a strong link and affinity to the club is hardly a qualification to overcome those inadequacies. I find it odd that people are still considered just because they used to play for a club - it means fuck all in terms of managerial ability. Look at the top 6 clubs , how many of their managers had any prior links to them as players. None. How many had ever even managed in the prem before joining? Only Pochettino and Mourinho who rejoined the same club. So if the most successful clubs don't fall for that cobblers why do other clubs keep repeating the same mistakes? It just shows a complete lack of imagination and research, an unnecessary need to appease the fans by giving them one of their favourites, and an unwillingness to back your judgement.
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Southgate is bright enough to be a good manager, and with a good coaching team around him could be a success somewhere, but he would be a hell of a gamble.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
Me too.
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Feel a bit sorry for him. He genuinely tried, not a bad guy and the post match interviews were just bluster.
All the best Paul.
Now let's get out of this sh*t storm.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
And Gregg Evans is still sticking up for him in the mail. Pillock.
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
I think he's alright
I've never understood the thing about him. I've always liked him. He took the view about Lerner ages ago being silent, which most of us mocked him about and now must of us think this. Is it down to his love of M'ON ?
I think a lot of it is because he's always been objective and never takes sides. He is, though, a great broadcaster and a very good writer.
Add me to the Pat Murphy fan club
Me too. I think he genuinely is keen for all midlands clubs to do well. Obviously in a self interested way too he would rather commentate on us v Chelsea than us v Doncaster
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Most of Leamore heard (and witnessed) my reaction to this. Thanks to all concerned for the barrage of texts and messages in the middle of the Black Country Dance Festival.
You throwing a few shapes in celebration Leeg?
Or just joining in with a few local sacred pork scratching worship rituals?
:-)
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Palace level, West Brom winning, Burnley losing....could be worse
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I'm too euphoric to make a rational choice on who I want as next manager, but aside from one or two that I've seen knocking about, I wouldn't go for them. Out of everyone I've seen linked the obvious choice is Klinsmann, because even if we didn't manage to get out of the mire in time, I figure the Championship squad he'd build from who stayed and the youth team (as well as players who I think would jump at the chance to work with him) would be the best shout of getting back up at the first attempt.
Never say never. I thought Lambert would never go, and here we are. Thank everything.
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Palace level, West Brom winning, Burnley losing....could be worse
And Gareth Barry sent off!
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I have no sympathy for him at all. He knew he was out of his depth, but refused to walk away so he could pocket his wedge, and now gets to trouser a tidy sum having taken us deep into the shit. I'd love that kind of job.
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I have no sympathy for him at all. He knew he was out of his depth, but refused to walk away so he could pocket his wedge, and now gets to trouser a tidy sum having taken us deep into the shit. I'd love that kind of job.
Anyone would do the same. Blame Lerner for awarding him a ridiculous new contract just four games into the season.
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Klinsmann would be similar to MON's arrival, but very unlikely.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
My sentiments exactly .
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I have no sympathy for him at all. He knew he was out of his depth, but refused to walk away so he could pocket his wedge, and now gets to trouser a tidy sum having taken us deep into the shit. I'd love that kind of job.
Ditto.
Feeling sorry for a guy who has been paid, and will still continue to be paid handsomely for doing an awful job is not something I feel sorry for.
Albion winning is not good for us, we need to keep sides in that mix as long as we can!
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
I am completely in agreement Legion. Not just because he was Villa manager but because he struck me as a decent bloke who got the club. Alas, so did McLeish, and that got us nowhere either.
Common factor is Lerner - see G Hou appointment too.
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I have no sympathy for him at all. He knew he was out of his depth, but refused to walk away so he could pocket his wedge, and now gets to trouser a tidy sum having taken us deep into the shit. I'd love that kind of job.
Anyone would do the same. Blame Lerner for awarding him a ridiculous new contract just four games into the season.
Indeed they would, but still no reason to have any sympathy for him.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
Exactly I take no pleasure from seeing that and I wish him well in the future.
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O'Leary with Hodge as assistant anyone?
With Alpay as defensive coach
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Are we able to recall Bent and Robinson?
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Southgate appointed apparently.
Where did you hear that?
I wouldn't expect an appointment before the Leicester match.
No, I agree, but sometime next week is likely.
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I think I'd go for Michael Laudrup (and put him in the centre of our midfield).
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When today came and went I thought he would be staying, very strange timing. I thought it was a nose windup at first, the club statement appears copy and pasted. I hope its not Southgate or any former player then when it turns to shit we won't have to watch one of our own taking abuse and facing the bedsheet of death.
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Rejoice! Rejoice!
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
Exactly I take no pleasure from seeing that and I wish him well in the future.
Very true, he looked like that several times here too.
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I actually feel sorry for him now he's gone - he clearly wasn't up to the task and was floundering. However it is a positive step and the club need to act fast and wisely to stop relegation.
Over to you Randy and Tom.
That's exactly my feelings on it.
Despite having a pop at him myself I've felt that too, I don't wish him ill, he was trying to do a job and it didn't work out, I spoke with a barmaid in Chelsea once that said "Alex McLeish was in here once with his son" it makes you realise it doesn't just effect them but everyone around them.
I hope it works out for him somewhere else.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
To be honest he's looked broken on several occasions over the last 2 years.
His interviews have always been vague and woolly as he tries to fudge through a role that many of us think - in hindsight admittedly - was probably too much for him.
We need to be patient and very careful about the next post holder.
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If Villa have had to pay up his contract then it'll come out in the accounts. I don't think they would have offered him such a long term contract without performance clauses, surely?
Sacking him now does beg the question of what has changed since the "False Narrative" interview a couple of weeks ago though.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
Exactly I take no pleasure from seeing that and I wish him well in the future.
Same here . I didn't see the tears but I said a while ago he cannot be enjoying this . He looked of late as though he's lost a lot of weight and his words were hurried and made little sense. Nobody likes to see a broken man. I think the villa fans were very patient and restrained and I for one wish him no ill even if we go down still.
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Tom Fox couldn't stand the thought of another 14 e-mails from me!
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If Villa have had to pay up his contract then it'll come out in the accounts. I don't think they would have offered him such a long term contract without performance clauses, surely?
Sacking him now does beg the question of what has changed since the "False Narrative" interview a couple of weeks ago though.
The penny dropped .
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Are we able to recall Bent and Robinson?
To sit on the bench or manage the team?
;-)
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Dropping into the bottom three might have swung it.
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It's the right decision the facts don't lie! It was going to become unbearable and he had to go! Should of been done after the Leicester game but at least we have a chance where as before we had none
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
Exactly I take no pleasure from seeing that and I wish him well in the future.
Same here . I didn't see the tears but I said a while ago he cannot be enjoying this . He looked of late as though he's lost a lot of weight and his words were hurried and made little sense. Nobody likes to see a broken man. I think the villa fans were very patient and restrained and I for one wish him no ill even if we go down still.
Me either. He seems a decent, honest man but he had to go.
He was clearly under severe pressure. Now distressed, he'll be relieved too and will go again, of course.
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I've got through the euphoria stage and am now at the scared of the thought they are looking at the message boards to see who the supporters want.
My dream management team is either Dean Saunders and Harry Redknapp or Brian Horton and Iain Dowie
It's sometimes difficult to tell the joke suggestions from the truly awful ones.
In Horton we trust.
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I might feel sorry for him if once, just once, he'd taken full responsibility for any of our inept performances, said 'that was my fault', instead of regurgitating unintelligible platitudes and meaningless cliches while failing to address any of our problems. I trust he'll enjoy the millions he's earned from his time here, and now I can forget all about him. He will not be troubling us again.
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My overwhelming feeling tonight is one of relief. I can't bring myself to feel any joy over Lambert's sacking as I had high hopes when he was employed and it is regrettable and detrimental to us that it hasn't worked out. He was allowed to remain in his post too long, but I think he'll be able to walk away fairly unscathed as he'll be able to point out that he has done well to keep us up with little backing. We know different of course, but it seems to be a widely held opinion in football circles.
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I might feel sorry for him if once, just once, he'd taken full responsibility for any of our inept performances, said 'that was my fault', instead of regurgitating unintelligible platitudes and meaningless cliches while failing to address any of our problems. I trust he'll enjoy the millions he's earned from his time here, and now I can forget all about him. He will not be troubling us again.
The pay off may not be that big ? And his estranged wife will take at least 50% so he may not get that much after tax.
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Dropping into the bottom three might have swung it.
Quite possibly, but, frankly, if it did then it shows how clueless and shortsighted those in charge are, considering anyone with even a small bit of knowledge could have seen this coming a mile off.
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That statement indicates a whiff of mutual agreement so maybe he's walked.
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If Villa have had to pay up his contract then it'll come out in the accounts. I don't think they would have offered him such a long term contract without performance clauses, surely?
Sacking him now does beg the question of what has changed since the "False Narrative" interview a couple of weeks ago though.
I suppose the fact that we're in the bottom 3 swung it.
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Dropping into the bottom three might have swung it.
Quite possibly, but, frankly, if it did then it shows how clueless and shortsighted those in charge are, considering anyone with even a small bit of knowledge could have seen this coming a mile off.
Maybe dropping into the relegation zone triggered a release clause in his contract with limited pay off??
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I don't know about the pay off, I'm sure he's earned enough while he's been here week by week. He's a chancer and he should be more than happy with what he's earned.
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I like Southgate but his only club management experience was a shambles. Having a strong link and affinity to the club is hardly a qualification to overcome those inadequacies. I find it odd that people are still considered just because they used to play for a club - it means fuck all in terms of managerial ability. Look at the top 6 clubs , how many of their managers had any prior links to them as players. None. How many had ever even managed in the prem before joining? Only Pochettino and Mourinho who rejoined the same club. So if the most successful clubs don't fall for that cobblers why do other clubs keep repeating the same mistakes? It just shows a complete lack of imagination and research, an unnecessary need to appease the fans by giving them one of their favourites, and an unwillingness to back your judgement.
The unfortunate result of tonights news is the deluge of fan suggestions for Lamberts successor. The worrying thought is that our owners total lack of football knowledge might result in him thinking one of those suggestions is a good one
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Dropping into the bottom three might have swung it.
Quite possibly, but, frankly, if it did then it shows how clueless and shortsighted those in charge are, considering anyone with even a small bit of knowledge could have seen this coming a mile off.
I wonder if Lambert had persuaded them to keep him on on the basis that he would give the Arsenal & Chelsea games away but would guide us to wins over the teams around us?
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I am happy and relieved this has happened.
18 months too late though.
its like a weight has been lifted.
I can already feel my love for the club returning and on Sunday we need to show the team we are ALL totally and utterly behind them and roar them into the quarter finals.
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Merson talking crap on SSN. Apparently Lambertis a good manager who has been unlucky.
Yes Paul unlucky for 3 seasons.
Nice guy. The brain a size of a pea though. Thick as a brick, even by Lambert standards
It's weird that you hate Chelsea so much.
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I might feel sorry for him if once, just once, he'd taken full responsibility for any of our inept performances, said 'that was my fault', instead of regurgitating unintelligible platitudes and meaningless cliches while failing to address any of our problems. I trust he'll enjoy the millions he's earned from his time here, and now I can forget all about him. He will not be troubling us again.
Well said Jimbo.
15m in severance pays to failures in less than 5 years.
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I do, though, actually feel sorry for him. Clearly out of his depth and as said above his reaction to the second goal was the sign of a broken man and I do not like to see that.
Same here. I know we want to know everything that's going on behind the scenes, but he's entitled to a private life and I often wonder what else is going on in peoples' lives that we have no right to know about but may impact on how they perform in their jobs.
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I don't know about the pay off, I'm sure he's earned enough while he's been here week by week. He's a chancer and he should be more than happy with what he's earned.
True he won't be short of cash either way . My point was say a £3m pay off could easily turn into £750k after the ex and taxman have had a slice .
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I should at least have a semblance of sympathy and regret having championed his cause long before finally arrived: I don't. In fact, after the initial euphoria on hearing the news, I'm still annoyed that it has taken until beyond the 11th hour for the board to do what was blatantly obvious for the last three months - and that's just this season.
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Merson talking crap on SSN. Apparently Lambertis a good manager who has been unlucky.
Yes Paul unlucky for 3 seasons.
Nice guy. The brain a size of a pea though. Thick as a brick, even by Lambert standards
It's weird that you hate Chelsea so much.
Merson talking crap on SSN. Apparently Lambertis a good manager who has been unlucky.
Yes Paul unlucky for 3 seasons.
Nice guy. The brain a size of a pea though. Thick as a brick, even by Lambert standards
It's weird that you hate Chelsea so much.
Had a drink or two tonight? Can't say I blame you, so have I in celebration. Enjoy
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Pat Murphy. What an incredible twat.
I think you are being far too generous
I think he's alright
I've never understood the thing about him. I've always liked him. He took the view about Lerner ages ago being silent, which most of us mocked him about and now must of us think this. Is it down to his love of M'ON ?
I think a lot of it is because he's always been objective and never takes sides. He is, though, a great broadcaster and a very good writer.
Interesting because the reasons I dislike Pat Murphy are because he is a terrible writer, even worse broadcaster and someone who absolutely is slanted against our club in his never insightful opinions.
So I guess I have the opposite of your views :)
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Just seen the news tonight and like just about everyone else on this forum am really pleased that they finally made the right decision. Just hope they have not left it too late and act reasonably quickly in appointing someone.
I am almost certain that with a half decent manager we will stay up. There are enough good players in that squad than we should be able to avoid the drop easily with a bit of experience and passion to lead them. Just by making the change there should be a positive recation as that is the way these things normally pan out. Its also nice than the next game is the in cup so not too much pressure on the coaching staff or players.
I would not take Southgate or Sherwood. Neither have anywhere near the right level of experience, and don't strike me as good motivaters. Laudrup or Klinnsman would both be worth a go IMO. There are gambles with either, Klinnsman because he has never managed over here before and Laudrup because he can be a bit spikey and did leave Swansea abruptly. But either would have us playing good football, would have fresh ideas, and should be able to attract some good players. Also Klinnsman does have a really bubbly and likeable personality.
Because of how late it is in the season I would appoint someone short term with experience of fighting the drop such as Curbsley and then make a longer term appointment in the summer. The likes of Moyes and Big Sam should be in the frame too. Alledyence would be my appointment as it stands, but not sure if we can get him.
Lambert for QPR anyone?.... ::)
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Dropping into the bottom three might have swung it.
Quite possibly, but, frankly, if it did then it shows how clueless and shortsighted those in charge are, considering anyone with even a small bit of knowledge could have seen this coming a mile off.
Maybe dropping into the relegation zone triggered a release clause in his contract with limited pay off??
Someone mentioned that to me a few weeks ago about a clause in his contract, was that in the local paper?
It would explain why a poster last night said he looked like he had tears in his eyes, he'd probably just heard the QPR score.
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No more British or Irish managers PLEASE. I don't think I can take it.
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I don't know about the pay off, I'm sure he's earned enough while he's been here week by week. He's a chancer and he should be more than happy with what he's earned.
True he won't be short of cash either way . My point was say a £3m pay off could easily turn into £750k after the ex and taxman have had a slice .
Frankly, I couldn't care less about that. He's earned more than most of us can earn in our lifetimes without being anywhere near as bad at our jobs. No sympathy here.
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Pat Murphy speaking very nicely about us just now on R5, most effusive I have ever heard him be about the Villa
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Pat Murphy waxing lyrical about Paul now .
God pass the sick bucket.
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Interestingly Pat Murphy has just been talking Villa's squad up on R5Live. I expected him to carry on twisting the knife.
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Interestingly Pat Murphy has just been talking Villa's squad up on R5Live. I expected him to carry on twisting the knife.
He comes across as an oily snake .
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Interestingly Pat Murphy has just been talking Villa's squad up on R5Live. I expected him to carry on twisting the knife.
He comes across as an oily snake .
Oh yes...
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Interestingly Pat Murphy has just been talking Villa's squad up on R5Live. I expected him to carry on twisting the knife.
Just paraphrasing Mouriniho
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How the hell is Pat Murphy still allowed to talk to anyone at Villa? I mean I know even incompetents like Murphy are never sacked by the BBC but surely Villa's press bloke has figured out Murphy by now and banned him?
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Just heard on SSN that there's now no managers from north of the border in the Premier League.
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Interestingly Pat Murphy has just been talking Villa's squad up on R5Live. I expected him to carry on twisting the knife.
He comes across as an oily snake .
That's because he ... no, I shouldn't say that.
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Be interesting to see where Lambert ends up next, getting sacked from this job tends to be the death knell for our ex managers.
Still his Norwich record will probably get the likes of Forest and Leeds interested as it won't be long before those clubs have vacancies.
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Just heard on SSN that there's now no managers from north of the border in the Premier League.
English football has finally gained its independence.
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I think it's time to pull our weight at the FA (do you know who we are & what we started) and at Government & Royal level. We need to borrow Hodgson (the escape artist) for a few months.
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Interestingly Pat Murphy has just been talking Villa's squad up on R5Live. I expected him to carry on twisting the knife.
He comes across an oily snake .
Filthy pig.
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Be interesting to see where Lambert ends up next, getting sacked from this job tends to be the death knell for our ex managers.
Still his Norwich record will probably get the likes of Forest and Leeds interested as it won't be long before those clubs have vacancies.
Is there still a vacancy in the SPL? I can see him going back up there - somewhere like Motherwell perhaps.
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Be interesting to see where Lambert ends up next, getting sacked from this job tends to be the death knell for our ex managers.
Still his Norwich record will probably get the likes of Forest and Leeds interested as it won't be long before those clubs have vacancies.
Is there still a vacancy in the SPL? I can see him going back up there - somewhere like Motherwell perhaps.
Think he will get a decent sized Championship club maybe during the summer, someone like Leeds or Wigan. Think at the right level he is still a solid manager just wasn't right for us.
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Excellent News ! Typical Learner to pull the trigger a week after the window closed though.just fits in with the way our club is managed at present
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Just heard on SSN that there's now no managers from north of the border in the Premier League.
What about Scott Marshall?
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Collymore espousing the virtues of Allardyce for the job, unbelievable, also SEAN DYCHE is second favourite in the sky betting
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Rafa for me!
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Collymore espousing the virtues of Allardyce for the job, unbelievable, also SEAN DYCHE is second favourite in the sky betting
If Burnley stay up and we haven't got a long term manager in the summer then I can see Dyche being in the frame at least.
Also, there is a difference between Pat Murphy saying nice things about Lambert as a person and him suddenly pretending that he did a good job or could have done a good job. I find Murphy engaging to listen to, and think that often he is bang on the money with his views.
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Has Prince William Done his coaching badges yet
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
Actually, that's not a bad shout
I like Southgate but too much of a risk to drag us out of the bottom three
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Anyone want to buy a job lot of "We Want Our Villa Back" T-shirts?
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Cesare Prandelli?
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Stan Petrov being mentioned now. Dear me.
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Cesare Prandelli?
We can but dream.
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What the fuck am I going to do with a 50ft "Lambert Out" banner now? Bastards.
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I personally cannot think of anyone else.
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Anyone want to buy a job lot of "We Want Our Villa Back" T-shirts?
Box them up for the next time
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Cesare Prandelli?
We can but dream.
Be the change you want.
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Has anyone been on TBAR to get the inside track from Admin?
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Klopp in the summer. Pay what it takes.
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What the fuck am I going to do with a 50ft "Lambert Out" banner now? Bastards.
Wait till we sign Ricky.
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Klopp in the summer. Pay what it takes.
Bloody hell Klopp. We can dream, we can dream. That would be amazing.
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Klopp in the summer. Pay what it takes.
Bloody hell Klopp. We can dream, we can dream. That would be amazing.
It really looks like his time at Dortmund is coming to an end. His options are few. He keeps having his players nicked and is clearly frustrated there and the way Bayern dominate the league.
I honestly don't think it's that daft.
Klopp for Villa 8)
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Whilst I'm glad he's gone I am gutted it didn't work out. Lambert's obviously a decent guy who tried his best but just couldn't get it to work. He apparently loves the club so I hope this experience doesn't ruin his managerial career (although I suspect it may have).
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Klopp in the summer. Pay what it takes.
I know as football fans we are eternally optimistic but that will never happen.
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Klopp in the summer. Pay what it takes.
Bloody hell Klopp. We can dream, we can dream. That would be amazing.
It really looks like his time at Dortmund is coming to an end. His options are few. He keeps having his players nicked and is clearly frustrated there and the way Bayern dominate the league.
I honestly don't think it's that daft.
Klopp for Villa 8)
Put me down to chip in for a ton if we are having a whip round to get him.
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Klopp in the summer. Pay what it takes.
I know as football fans we are eternally optimistic but that will never happen.
Why not? There's none of the big boys in the Premier League that really need a manager. He's also said he needs to speak the language to work. He's not gonna join another German club, so that basically leaves England.
If the club want to get it right pay what it takes and get him. I think he may well come here. He will remember us beating Bayern 8)
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I'm pleased we've parted ways with Lambo. But it's just hit me like a ton of bricks who is making the appointment, and let's be honest Randy has an appalling record in this area.
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I really don't think we'll be in for anyone of the Prandelli-Klopp-Klinsmann ilk, but there's a world of difference between them and the Alan Irvines of the game. I would be flabbergasted to get who I really want in the job, but I remain open-minded. I just hope they don't go for the 'stop-gap'.
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It's been so bad, even a bluenose acquaintance just messaged me to say thank christ for that.
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Gareth Southgate - come on a lot recently and he knows the club being a former captain (I'm excluding from my memory how he left)
We protested about getting a manager who got relegated and won a League Cup, why would we want a manager who got relegated and didn't win a League Cup?
He'd be an atrociously unimaginative appointment.
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Southgate would be a no for me too.
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His mate Nursey at the Mirror seems to think we put no clause in contract and he is looking at a 10mil pay off...find that hard to believe even we aren't that stupid
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His mate Nursey at the Mirror seems to think we put no clause in contract and he is looking at a 10mil pay off...find that hard to believe even we aren't that stupid
It's still a lot cheaper than getting relegated. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an element of mutual about this as has been said, Lambert looked a broken man so I imagine it will be a much smaller payout than £10m.
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Going to bed feeling like a new man - ooh, er, missus - after having felt so down last night. It's been a good, good day
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I knew if I wore Claret and Blue to work today it would pay off. Thank god it's over, at least we now have hope.
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If the guy had any pride he would have offered his resignation.
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What the fuck am I going to do with a 50ft "Lambert Out" banner now? Bastards.
Form a new trout fish factory farm called Lamber TrOut?
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Lamb Trouter.
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He came, he gave it a right good go. It didn't work out. Onwards and... well, onwards.
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What the fuck am I going to do with a 50ft "Lambert Out" banner now? Bastards.
Buy a load of Tippex. Wait a couple of weeks. Turn it into a 50ft "McCarthy Out" banner. Easy.
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Fantastic news. Have absolutely no sympathy for the guy.
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Fantastic news. Have absolutely no sympathy for the guy.
Really? Why? He's been nothing but respectful to the club. He was just out of his depth which is hardly his fault.
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He was killing us and probably killing himself. You have to go back a long long way for the last ex Vila manager who did well after leaving, can't see Lambert at premiership level again.
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'We go again.'
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How happy is it on here tonight!
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Hey, who'd have thought when Hutton didn't come out after half time in Lambert's first game against Burton Albion, that he'd still be here after Lambert was fired? Football really is a funny old game.
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Just seen this. Get in! Not that I'm surprised, I predicted it earlier toay but fuck yeah!
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So long Paul. Thank you for your efforts, such as they were, and best wishes for your future career. In painting and decorating.
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I'm not as happy as I was when I heard Mr Fickle and McLeish had gone. It's more relief than happiness for me.
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He started with a 0-1 loss and ended with a 0-2 loss . Two appropriate book ends to what has been a painful 2 and a half seasons .
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I'm not as happy as I was when I heard Mr Fickle and McLeish had gone. It's more relief than happiness for me.
This. More phew than yeah.
The mind boggles who might be next.
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Paulie, give us a song? Paulie, Paulie, give us a song?
Shhhhhhhhh....ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! ;)
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I'm not as happy as I was when I heard Mr Fickle and McLeish had gone. It's more relief than happiness for me.
Possibly, but after I sighed in relief a massive smile came across my face. Once I have put my kids to bed I will crack open a cold alcoholic beverage.
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I'm not as happy as I was when I heard Mr Fickle and McLeish had gone. It's more relief than happiness for me.
It's like yoga.. "and breath..".
Fuck, at least now we have hope.
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Just in case nobody has done it.
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I'm not as happy as I was when I heard Mr Fickle and McLeish had gone. It's more relief than happiness for me.
Possibly, but after I sighed in relief a massive smile came across my face. Once I have put my kids to bed I will crack open a cold alcoholic beverage.
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I'm not as happy as I was when I heard Mr Fickle and McLeish had gone. It's more relief than happiness for me.
Possibly, but after I sighed in relief a massive smile came across my face. Once I have put my kids to bed I will crack open a cold alcoholic beverage.
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I do have twin girls, so that's not a bad idea. One of these to represent each of them and then a beer to round things off.
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The last 24 hours have been a bit of a rollercoaster . Time for bed .
Slides under Tim Sherwood King size duvet.
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Don't think Sherwood's the answer - 6 months total managerial 'experience' with an expensively assembled squad didn't show whether he's got what it takes. And that salute to Adebayor was just embarrassing. Wouldn't want Hoddle either - my youngest son is disabled and Hoddle's beliefs make my piss boil. Klinsmann on the other hand.........I'd wet my dry stock!
My sentiments about Hoddle are the same, that man can go rot for his comments about people with disabilities, I've had/got disabilities of my own, and have nothing but contempt for him
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Lamb Chop.
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Come on, Brian! Keep up.
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Woke up to the news this morning all I can say is "Excellent really Excellent"
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The BBC (woman who does the sports round-up) have just said we will have to pay Lambert £10 million, that cant be right surely.
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The BBC (woman who does the sports round-up) have just said we will have to pay Lambert £10 million, that cant be right surely.
He was probably advised by MON.
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The BBC (woman who does the sports round-up) have just said we will have to pay Lambert £10 million, that cant be right surely.
I doubt that very much.
These people pick a random number and do a load of mathematical equations just to make it sound more interesting.
Someone posted on another thread that in reality it's probably £2m
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This is now a totally shit-or-bust situation, either we see a marked improvement and get out of trouble, or, we go down, forget Fergies "squeaky bum time" coz he needs a point for the Premiership title - this is proper pressure now.
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The BBC (woman who does the sports round-up) have just said we will have to pay Lambert £10 million, that cant be right surely.
£2m
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One years pay he got. Being in the bottom 3 may well have triggered an escape clause in the clubs favour.
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If he got sacked six months into a four-year-deal, and only got a year's payoff, his agent/LMA rep is fucking useless.
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If he got sacked six months into a four-year-deal, and only got a year's payoff, his agent/LMA rep is fucking useless.
You seem surprised that something Lambert is involved with isn't well thought out.
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Randy has obviously had a little chat with Doug.
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I wonder what sort of car he left in. Probably a Lambogoni.
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One years pay he got. Being in the bottom 3 may well have triggered an escape clause in the clubs favour.
Maybe this is why he looked close to tears when we went two-nil down at Hull?
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Really good couple of articles in the Telegraph, particularly this one:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11407403/Aston-Villas-Paul-Lambert-sacked-to-protect-TV-millions.html
even reading that if it's true about January window, I do still have some sympathy for the lone job Lambert has had to do for most of his time here and there were times it looked like it might work, but no-one can escape the fact that this season he has had the best squad he's had since he's been here, and despite a good start results-wise, the football and results are dreadful. I do think he will regroup at a lower club and come back quite strongly from this. Hell, in a few years we might be on here saying we should have stuck with him etc., after he has had successs. But it had gone too far and was never going to be fixed, at least Lerner has seen that. I wish him no ills though and am sad it didn't work out.
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Really good couple of articles in the Telegraph, particularly this one:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11407403/Aston-Villas-Paul-Lambert-sacked-to-protect-TV-millions.html
even reading that if it's true about January window, I do still have some sympathy for the lone job Lambert has had to do for most of his time here and there were times it looked like it might work, but no-one can escape the fact that this season he has had the best squad he's had since he's been here, and despite a good start results-wise, the football and results are dreadful. I do think he will regroup at a lower club and come back quite strongly from this. Hell, in a few years we might be on here saying we should have stuck with him etc., after he has had successs. But it had gone too far and was never going to be fixed, at least Lerner has seen that. I wish him no ills though and am sad it didn't work out.
I think the Telegraph must have used this Forum for its information as most of the article cotent has been on here in many posts and some of the comments were pretty obvious. There was not much included that could be called new.
I posted weeks ago that if the club got into the bottom three, Lerner/Fox would act and with the new money just announced for the Premiership, it didn't need a genius to see the result as far as Lambert's future was concerned.
Big questions are who next and is it already too late to recover?
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Pat Murphy on 5Live just now. First he says Lambert should get credit for keeping Villa in the PL under the circumstances. Then, when asked if Villa can stay up, he says, absolutely yes - if they had gone down over the last two or three years then they would have been one of the better squads to do so. They should be doing much better.
So, which is the under-performing element, Pat, the manager or the squad? Or are you now trying to be best mates with Paul, again?
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News Now have this link:
Lma Statement On Behalf Of Paul Lambert League Managers Association - Official Site 09:05
but doesn't work, presume incoming in a minute or two?
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Pat Murphy on 5Live just now. First he says Lambert should get credit for keeping Villa in the PL under the circumstances. Then, when asked if Villa can stay up, he says, absolutely yes - if they had gone down over the last two or three years then they would have been one of the better squads to do so. They should be doing much better.
So, which is the under-performing element, Pat, the manager or the squad? Or are you now trying to be best mates with Paul, again?
I think Lambert said this seasons squad is the best has had, maybe Murphy was alluding to this and in previous years Lambert had done well to keep us up with previous squads ?
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Pat Murphy on 5Live just now. First he says Lambert should get credit for keeping Villa in the PL under the circumstances. Then, when asked if Villa can stay up, he says, absolutely yes - if they had gone down over the last two or three years then they would have been one of the better squads to do so. They should be doing much better.
So, which is the under-performing element, Pat, the manager or the squad? Or are you now trying to be best mates with Paul, again?
I think Lambert said this seasons squad is the best has had, maybe Murphy was alluding to this and in previous years Lambert had done well to keep us up with previous squads ?
If he was alluding to that, he shouldn't have mentioned the last two or three years in that context. Sounds like he's trying to get all chummy again, or perhaps he now feels a bit guilty for being pretty much the only journalist out there prepared to grill Lambert? Perhaps he feels sorry for him? Either way, he shouldn't let personal agendas get in the way of objective journalism.
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This seems such a long time ago now.................
The Grauniad, Sep 2014
Paul Lambert has extended his contract as the Aston Villa manager until June 2018.
Lambert has had two difficult seasons since he joined from Norwich in the summer of 2012, with Villa finishing 15th in both Premier League campaigns. But this season his side have made an excellent start, winning three and drawing one of their four Premier League games. A 1-0 win at Liverpool on Saturday took them into second place behind Chelsea.
“I’m delighted to have the support of our chairman, Randy Lerner, and Tom Fox, our new chief exec, and I’m determined that we continue building the club to where we all want it to be,” Lambert said.
“I knew the first two years would be tough but we’ve made progress and now we’re beginning to see the benefits of all of that hard work. We’re in a much healthier position on and off the pitch and, with a continued sensible approach, we believe we’re on the right road to build on the strong start. The bar had to be raised, everyone has stepped up and there will be continued improvement.”
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This seems such a long time ago now.................
The Grauniad, Sep 2014
Paul Lambert has extended his contract as the Aston Villa manager until June 2018.
Lambert has had two difficult seasons since he joined from Norwich in the summer of 2012, with Villa finishing 15th in both Premier League campaigns. But this season his side have made an excellent start, winning three and drawing one of their four Premier League games. A 1-0 win at Liverpool on Saturday took them into second place behind Chelsea.
“I’m delighted to have the support of our chairman, Randy Lerner, and Tom Fox, our new chief exec, and I’m determined that we continue building the club to where we all want it to be,” Lambert said.
“I knew the first two years would be tough but we’ve made progress and now we’re beginning to see the benefits of all of that hard work. We’re in a much healthier position on and off the pitch and, with a continued sensible approach, we believe we’re on the right road to build on the strong start. The bar had to be raised, everyone has stepped up and there will be continued improvement.”
It does. And the 10 points we got from those first 4 games represent almost half of our season's total so far. I still find it hard to take in some of our stats from this season
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News Now have this link:
Lma Statement On Behalf Of Paul Lambert League Managers Association - Official Site 09:05
but doesn't work, presume incoming in a minute or two?
LMA STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF PAUL LAMBERT
I am extremely proud to have managed Aston Villa, a founder member of the Football League, and this sentiment will always remain with me.
My initial remit was to conduct a massive overhaul of the playing squad, lower the overall wage structure of the playing staff and achieve this whilst keeping the club in the Barclays Premier League.
There was also a concerted effort to purchase and develop younger players who would provide a solid footing for the football club to move forward and enhance the value of the playing squad in the future.
When I came on board the club's owner, Randy Lerner, warned me that I was embarking on the toughest challenge of my working life and he was not wrong.
But I have never stepped away from hard work and I put my heart and soul into the job from my first day until my last.
There are many people throughout my time at Aston Villa to whom I owe a great debt of gratitude.
Firstly, I'd like to thank Randy Lerner for not only providing me with the opportunity to manage one of the most illustrious clubs in world football but also for the support and friendship he offered me throughout my time at the club.
I'd also like to place on record my appreciation to Paul Faulkner who conducted affairs at the club with unstinting integrity and constant dignity during his tenure as Chief Executive.
I leave behind some wonderful people at both Bodymoor Heath and Villa Park and express my gratitude for their dedication and loyalty. A special mention must also go to my coaching staff for their commitment.
To the players, my sincere thanks to each and every one of them. They are a fantastic group of players and I wish them every success for the rest of their playing careers. I hope to see many of them achieve great things in the game.
Finally, I pay tribute to the supporters who are among the most passionate I have ever encountered. They rightly hold huge expectations for their beloved football club and I sincerely hope they are rewarded with the success they deserve.
I completely understand their frustrations and always shared their view that the football club is too big not to be competing at the top end of the table. I hope that can happen.
You never stop learning in football management and I certainly believe the invaluable experience from my time as Villa manager will prove hugely beneficial in the next stage of my managerial career.
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News Now have this link:
Lma Statement On Behalf Of Paul Lambert League Managers Association - Official Site 09:05
but doesn't work, presume incoming in a minute or two?
LMA STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF PAUL LAMBERT
I am extremely proud to have managed Aston Villa, a founder member of the Football League, and this sentiment will always remain with me.
My initial remit was to conduct a massive overhaul of the playing squad, lower the overall wage structure of the playing staff and achieve this whilst keeping the club in the Barclays Premier League.
There was also a concerted effort to purchase and develop younger players who would provide a solid footing for the football club to move forward and enhance the value of the playing squad in the future.
When I came on board the club's owner, Randy Lerner, warned me that I was embarking on the toughest challenge of my working life and he was not wrong.
But I have never stepped away from hard work and I put my heart and soul into the job from my first day until my last.
There are many people throughout my time at Aston Villa to whom I owe a great debt of gratitude.
Firstly, I'd like to thank Randy Lerner for not only providing me with the opportunity to manage one of the most illustrious clubs in world football but also for the support and friendship he offered me throughout my time at the club.
I'd also like to place on record my appreciation to Paul Faulkner who conducted affairs at the club with unstinting integrity and constant dignity during his tenure as Chief Executive.
I leave behind some wonderful people at both Bodymoor Heath and Villa Park and express my gratitude for their dedication and loyalty. A special mention must also go to my coaching staff for their commitment.
To the players, my sincere thanks to each and every one of them. They are a fantastic group of players and I wish them every success for the rest of their playing careers. I hope to see many of them achieve great things in the game.
Finally, I pay tribute to the supporters who are among the most passionate I have ever encountered. They rightly hold huge expectations for their beloved football club and I sincerely hope they are rewarded with the success they deserve.
I completely understand their frustrations and always shared their view that the football club is too big not to be competing at the top end of the table. I hope that can happen.
You never stop learning in football management and I certainly believe the invaluable experience from my time as Villa manager will prove hugely beneficial in the next stage of my managerial career.
Sadly, his most coherent and meaningful communication in two and a half years of management. Good luck, Paul.
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I can't bring myself to dislike him, regardless of how he's done. Thanks for trying and caring Paul, and good luck for the rest of your career.
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Doesn't seem too cut up about it!
I think there's more to come from lambo as a manager.
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Interesting to note that he thanks Paul Faulkner but does not mention Tom Fox!
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I applaud that statement and wish him good luck in his future endeavors
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A dignified line drawn under it all. Now upwards, please.
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I can't bring myself to dislike him, regardless of how he's done. Thanks for trying and caring Paul, and good luck for the rest of your career.
Agree, He came and tried, but, unfortunately, it didn't work out.
I hope he finds a job soon.
I actually think he'll be stronger for this experience.
I do feel that the 'Young and Hungry' philosophy could have worked, if he'd been able to pick from the top of the tree, rather than the lower branches. Lerner has to take some of the blame for this.
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I can't bring myself to dislike him, regardless of how he's done. Thanks for trying and caring Paul, and good luck for the rest of your career.
Quite - unlike Billy McNeill who I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire.
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I do feel that the 'Young and Hungry' philosophy could have worked, if he'd been able to pick from the top of the tree, rather than the lower branches. Lerner has to take some of the blame for this.
Young and hungry players need coaching which has to go down as Lambert's greatest weakness. He was the wrong man for the mission.
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Thanks Paul - I really hoped it work out and was genuinely excited when you were appointed. I am sure that the constraints you were put under by those above made the job nigh on impossible and indeed you were probably let down by some of those closest to you. Good luck for the future and I think you did get Villa which some of your predecessors never did grasp.
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I've read that statement, and now I feel bad for shouting at him on Tuesday.
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Barnsley have sacked Danny Wilson. Coincidence?
I quite liked "Mary's Prayer" but he has not done too well recently.
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I've read that statement, and now I feel bad for shouting at him on Tuesday.
I feel much sorrier for all the fans who paid and travelled to watch that insulting crap, and all the other insulting crap they've been served up over the past three, no, five years.
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After the sheer relief of last night I feel a tinge of sadness this morning. As I see more and more headlines "Lambert sacked" I don't like the fact that this is to do with our club and we have discarded a man who cam here with huge hope and optimism. So I think where has it all gone wrong. After giving due consideration to Randy's restrictions I can not think of blame resting anywhere other than firmly with Paul. He started with let's get young and hungry players and grow them into a strong team. I was there yes we have a coach with strong beliefs and principles. However it was the comporomising of those values in the second and third season and often the total lack of tactical nous that made me lose all trust in him. There are so many things to mention but the coup de gras was on Tuesday night when he said "we have to win ugly now it's 13 cup finals". After that even if there was any doubt before he could not continue to be our manager.
A nice man and no doubt behind the scenes a tough man but a little short in talent to succeed at this level. I with him the best of luck.
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Interesting to note that he thanks Paul Faulkner but does not mention Tom Fox!
Perhaps because he was the one who fired him
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let's not get too sentimental. Judge him solely on his performance as a manager of AV. On that he was total shite.
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I do feel that the 'Young and Hungry' philosophy could have worked, if he'd been able to pick from the top of the tree, rather than the lower branches. Lerner has to take some of the blame for this.
Young and hungry players need coaching which has to go down as Lambert's greatest weakness. He was the wrong man for the mission.
I agree. One day he'll turn up as a director of football somewhere, and I think he'll do that job well.
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Interesting to note that he thanks Paul Faulkner but does not mention Tom Fox!
Perhaps because he was the one who fired him
Could be that
The Hacks now rounding on Lerner and the spending.Whilst the money was tightened (maybe too much ) after the MON and FPP we really had little choice.The thing is whilst Lambert certainly didn't have the funds to compete with the top 10 equally he certainly had enough to be better than the lower half of league over the past 3 years and again disregards his inability to beat lower league clubs with far smaller budgets.
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To be fair he had to avoid relegation battles, finish mid table with odd cup run thrown in, avoiding embarassing exits and play some football worth watching. He had tools at his disposal to do just that.
Let's face facts he is a pretty major failure.
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Interesting to note that he thanks Paul Faulkner but does not mention Tom Fox!
Perhaps because he was the one who fired him
Could be that
The Hacks now rounding on Lerner and the spending.Whilst the money was tightened (maybe too much ) after the MON and FPP we really had little choice.The thing is whilst Lambert certainly didn't have the funds to compete with the top 10 equally he certainly had enough to be better than the lower half of league over the past 3 years and again disregards his inability to beat lower league clubs with far smaller budgets.
And that's the most damning thing about his tenure, the one that says a lot more than his restricted budget.
I know he bought a lot of duffs, but they were almost all in the 1m or so, pocket money bracket. When he spent more, he did pretty well - Okore, Kozak, Sanchez, Gil, Benteke, Vlaar - and that "more" was still piffling amounts of money.
Praising him for getting that right in some way takes away from his "yeah but what about the budget" response.
Any half decent manager would have that squad at about mid table at the least.
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The lack of funds is a factor, but it's the lack of expertise - or even basic competence - in leadership, management and decision-making that has got this club in a mess.
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That's a pretty gracious statement from Lambert, I wish him luck in the future.
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I don't doubt that he worked his bollocks off trying to get things right, but what he had just wasn't good enough.
In hindsight, perhaps he suffered from roaring up through the leagues the way he did, rather than spending time figuring out different ways to get results in a situation with far more margin for error than a rebuilding side in the EPL as we were.
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That's a pretty gracious statement from Lambert, I wish him luck in the future.
Same here.
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Shortly after he was appointed I was chatting to a Norwich supporter (music producer, Steve Osborne, he mixed U2 but I didn't hold that against him due to him being a great bloke) who was gutted he had gone but he was convinced that if he'd stayed another year or two at Norwich he'd manage Man United. If only....
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That's a pretty gracious statement from Lambert, I wish him luck in the future.
Very much so.
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I harbour no ill feelings towards Lambert and appreciate his statement. Maybe he should have offered his resignation but that might be hindsight. He has seemed like someone waiting to be put out of their misery for a while.
Some of his decisions have been telling. Bringing in coaches who let him down, not properly replacing them or Keane once he left, not appreciating the scale of the goalscoring issue or appointing someone to his coaching team who could help to resolve that. It was never enough to list a few names and say that there's enough attacking talent in the side - unfortunately its not as simple as that. The lack of movement has been commented on since Robbie Keane came on loan and after all the following years, it's still an issue.
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That's a pretty gracious statement from Lambert, I wish him luck in the future.
Very much so.
Yes I agree. Take a holiday in the sun, have a few beers, and forget football if at all possible. Good Luck!
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let's not get too sentimental. Judge him solely on his performance as a manager of AV. On that he was total shite.
Precisely. People lose their jobs every day often with far less cause than Lambert and usually with far lower compensation. I do think Villa fans are far too soft/humane sometimes for the ruthless world of football / big business. I doubt he'll be making an appearance at his local food bank in the near or distant future
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Barnsley have sacked Danny Wilson. Coincidence?
I quite liked "Mary's Prayer" but he has not done too well recently.
He might be a good shout - if we say, save us, save us, be the light in our eyes
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I harbour no ill feelings towards Lambert and appreciate his statement. Maybe he should have offered his resignation but that might be hindsight. He has seemed like someone waiting to be put out of their misery for a while.
Some of his decisions have been telling. Bringing in coaches who let him down, not properly replacing them or Keane once he left, not appreciating the scale of the goalscoring issue or appointing someone to his coaching team who could help to resolve that. It was never enough to list a few names and say that there's enough attacking talent in the side - unfortunately its not as simple as that. The lack of movement has been commented on since Robbie Keane came on loan and after all the following years, it's still an issue.
The lack of a stable backroom staff was his real undoing, and the why the club did not insist on appointing high quality coaches and assistants to back him up is a mystery. He could obviously spot a player and at times motivated the team. But the lack of coaching and a coherent style of play were painfully obvious.
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I harbour no ill feelings towards Lambert and appreciate his statement. Maybe he should have offered his resignation but that might be hindsight. He has seemed like someone waiting to be put out of their misery for a while.
Some of his decisions have been telling. Bringing in coaches who let him down, not properly replacing them or Keane once he left, not appreciating the scale of the goalscoring issue or appointing someone to his coaching team who could help to resolve that. It was never enough to list a few names and say that there's enough attacking talent in the side - unfortunately its not as simple as that. The lack of movement has been commented on since Robbie Keane came on loan and after all the following years, it's still an issue.
The lack of a stable backroom staff was his real undoing, and the why the club did not insist on appointing high quality coaches and assistants to back him up is a mystery. He could obviously spot a player and at times motivated the team. But the lack of coaching and a coherent style of play were painfully obvious.
I agree. The Carsa/Culverhouse/Keane circus was way beyond a joke. A motley cure of miscreants if ever there was one.
No doubt PL has been compensated to remain silent on this issue and we can only hope that Keane spouts off at some point if we are to ever know what went on.
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That's a pretty gracious statement from Lambert, I wish him luck in the future.
Very much so.
Yes I agree. Take a holiday in the sun, have a few beers, and forget football if at all possible. Good Luck!
Would have been far more gracious if he'd admitted he wasn't good enough and stepped aside long before dragging us to the edge of relegation. And I should imagine that a couple of million quid in compensation should sugar the pill and pay for several holidays in the sun. I wish I could forget the shit he's left us in
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Precisely, Chico. Lambert can walk away with millions in his pocket. There's no walking away for us.
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'Lonely place for Lambert'
Former Aston Villa manager Brian Little believes the growing pressure from disgruntled supporters was a big factor in Paul Lambert losing his job.
And Little is convinced the departure of assistant manager Roy Keane last November left the Scot 'lonely' and without an experienced backroom staff.
Villa's 2-0 defeat at Hull on Tuesday, a result which saw them drop into the bottom three of the Premier League, proved the last straw for the fans who made the feelings clear at the end of the match.
Speaking to the Morning View on Sky Sports News HQ, Little, who scored 60 goals in 247 games for the club before injury ended his 10-year career in 1980, said: "I think there's been a lot of dissent around the club and the fans reaction, certainly the social media and local media were very adamant at what should happen.
"It got to the point where it was very difficult for Paul Lambert to continue."
Lambert, who left his role at Norwich City in 2012 to take over at Villa Park, had failed to guide his side to a victory in their last 10 Premier League matches.
Little, who managed Villa from 1994-98, leading them to a top-four finish in 1996, says Lambert has struggled to cope with the job on his own and is urging the next manager to bring in experience, during what he believes is certain to be a 'tricky time' for the club.
"I think it has been a really lonely place for Paul Lambert in these last few months, if not the last season," he said.
"He needed somebody around him who has the experience to deal with the situation.
"I think it's very important that whatever happens in the short term someone goes in there with a backing of a group of people because it's not a one man show, there's a massive job to be done."
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That's a pretty gracious statement from Lambert, I wish him luck in the future.
Same here.
Me too.
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let's not get too sentimental. Judge him solely on his performance as a manager of AV. On that he was total shite.
I have no sympathy, he has ben trotting out the same crap and has tried to pull the wool over our eyes for too long now.
He has been compensated massively above his talent and has dragged this club to the edge of disaster.
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That little interview makes perfect sense to me. It's basically saying a big part of the problem is that he didn't bother rebuilding the coaching team and tried to just get on, which was never going to work and more importantly gave him not support when things were going wrong.
'Young and Hungry' was a good concept and the players he signed in the first summer should have been a good enough 'batch' for the first window. The problem was they all came to a bigger club with better facilities but the lack of decent coaching saw them all stand still.
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That's a pretty gracious statement from Lambert, I wish him luck in the future.
Very much so.
Yes I agree. Take a holiday in the sun, have a few beers, and forget football if at all possible. Good Luck!
Would have been far more gracious if he'd admitted he wasn't good enough and stepped aside long before dragging us to the edge of relegation. And I should imagine that a couple of million quid in compensation should sugar the pill and pay for several holidays in the sun. I wish I could forget the shit he's left us in
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact he's been pretty gracious given the amount of abuse he took. He wasn't up to the job and that's clear. But how many people walk away from a multi-million pound contract?
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I feel no sympathy what so ever, he wasn't good enough and should have gone 18 months ago.
He failed at his job, got sacked and has been given a massive pay off. To put it in perspective, it would take me 63 years with 6 monthly performance reviews on my current wage to earn that.
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Amount of abuse? I think he was given far more grace than abuse from Villa fans over his three years of continual, and frequently abject failure.
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Amount of abuse? I think he was given far more grace than abuse from Villa fans over his three years of continual, and frequently abject failure.
I don't mean the whole crowd turned on him, but I think it was pretty clear that most didn't want him here anymore. I'm not saying it wasn't justified, but he didn't have to react to being sacked so gracefully.
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Nice statement. It's the statement of a man who can see the positives and am sure we will see more of him.
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Let's be honest, it was a ghost written statement by the LMA. And the fact that he was clinging to his millions whilst overviewing a truly dreadful and potentially disastrous spell in our history just makes me hate him more and shows that the club's interests were not on his radar. And Lerner for stumping up the new contract.
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Good luck Paul. He could easily have not mentioned the fans in his statement. He's a decent chap. He might be a decent manager elsewhere, as he was at Norwich and beyond. I'm glad to see him go but bear him no ill will.
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Amount of abuse? I think he was given far more grace than abuse from Villa fans over his three years of continual, and frequently abject failure.
He had the longest honeymoon period of any Villa manager I can recall.
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Good luck Paul. He could easily have not mentioned the fans in his statement. He's a decent chap. He might be a decent manager elsewhere, as he was at Norwich and beyond. I'm glad to see him go but bear him no ill will.
Sums up how I feel. Should have gone long before he did, but I don't think he can be blamed for that really. If he teams up with an experienced, tactically inovative coach, he might do OK in his next job.
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He can come out with all the mumbling platitudes he likes, I'm sure he's ingratiating himself to the next suckers anyway, but I'll never forgive him for what he reduced my club to.
Don't like him.Don't dislike him.
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the longest honeymoon's right - one spent continually fucking us over
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let's not get too sentimental. Judge him solely on his performance as a manager of AV. On that he was total shite.
That;s how I feel. I have never questioned him as a man, but as a manager, despite the restrictions he was initially put under, he has been piss poor
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Amount of abuse? I think he was given far more grace than abuse from Villa fans over his three years of continual, and frequently abject failure.
Agree.
"We want Lambert out" is hardly abuse!
And it was not the majority chanting it - for how long? - 3 or 4 games?
Villa fans have been incredibly patient waiting for umpteen hopeful corners to be turned. The last 20 games or so are evidence enough to show that we've been stuck at the lights on red and there are no corners on Lambert's road map.
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Let's be honest, it was a ghost written statement by the LMA. And the fact that he was clinging to his millions whilst overviewing a truly dreadful and potentially disastrous spell in our history just makes me hate him more and shows that the club's interests were not on his radar. And Lerner for stumping up the new contract.
Lets be honest, you don't know the LMA wrote that piece. Hate is a dreadful word to use. Says more about you than Lambert. He's gone, and with more dignity than you show. I wanted him gone a long time ago, but will reserve my hate for those who truly deserve it. Paul Lambert is not among them.
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Come on, of course it was written for Lambert. It's coherent, for a start, and doesn't contain the word excellent.
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I love this attitude that people hate him, completely failing to disconnect the football manager from the man. He's a decent bloke who tried his best and wasn't good enough. Who cares if he got a pay out? The club shouldn't have been so ridiculous to give him such a long contract.
Hate because he wasn't very good at managing us? Christ.
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I love this attitude that people hate him, completely failing to disconnect the football manager from the man. He's a decent bloke who tried his best and wasn't good enough. Who cares if he got a pay out? The club shouldn't have been so ridiculous to give him such a long contract.
Hate because he wasn't very good at managing us? Christ.
Quite agree.
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Just as ridiculous is the notion that he should "do the right thing" and walk away from a payout that he is contractually due. Why would he?
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I hope this isn't true. I am glad he is gone but he deserved at least a face to face meeting.
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert upset after being sacked by Tom Fox over the phone, not face to face
Paul Lambert is reportedly hurt after learning of his Aston Villa sacking in a phonecall from Tom Fox.
Lambert neglected to thank Fox during a statement issued through the League Managers Association today.
And it appears the 45-year-old Glaswegian is disappointed that the chief executive did not tell him face to face.
Breaking his silence following his dismissal, Lambert's statement included kind words about chairman Randy Lerner and Fox's predecessor Paul Faulkner, yet there was no mention of the new CEO.
Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action.
It is thought the combination of the Premier League's bumper new broadcast deal and Villa dropping into the relegation zone forced Lerner's hand after consultation with Fox.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-upset-8633256
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Just as ridiculous is the notion that he should "do the right thing" and walk away from a payout that he is contractually due. Why would he?
Maybe because some things- pride, decency and dignity- ought to matter more than money.
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Let's be honest, it was a ghost written statement by the LMA. And the fact that he was clinging to his millions whilst overviewing a truly dreadful and potentially disastrous spell in our history just makes me hate him more and shows that the club's interests were not on his radar. And Lerner for stumping up the new contract.
Lets be honest, you don't know the LMA wrote that piece. Hate is a dreadful word to use. Says more about you than Lambert. He's gone, and with more dignity than you show. I wanted him gone a long time ago, but will reserve my hate for those who truly deserve it. Paul Lambert is not among them.
Ouch
If "hate" is the worst word that Lambert's heard from Villa fans in the last year or so...
I admire your admiration of the fella who almost dragged us over the edge. And if he wants to be gracious and refund me some of the money I've spunked on watching his miserable team disappoint yet again, then I might reconsider my opinion of him.
And I'd be happy to bet my house that he didn't write his statement.
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I hope this isn't true. I am glad he is gone but he deserved at least a face to face meeting.
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert upset after being sacked by Tom Fox over the phone, not face to face
Paul Lambert is reportedly hurt after learning of his Aston Villa sacking in a phonecall from Tom Fox.
Lambert neglected to thank Fox during a statement issued through the League Managers Association today.
And it appears the 45-year-old Glaswegian is disappointed that the chief executive did not tell him face to face.
Breaking his silence following his dismissal, Lambert's statement included kind words about chairman Randy Lerner and Fox's predecessor Paul Faulkner, yet there was no mention of the new CEO.
Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action.
It is thought the combination of the Premier League's bumper new broadcast deal and Villa dropping into the relegation zone forced Lerner's hand after consultation with Fox.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-upset-8633256
I find it a little disappointing that Lambert felt the need to reveal that. He's got more than his fair share of support from the club over the course of his tenure. Most managers would have been sacked ages ago. Yet, now he's gone he goes public with how it all went down. He should extend his appreciation for the patience the club showed for him and just move on. He could have told Fox himself that he wasn't happy with a phone call, not reveal it top the world.
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I think he had to go in the end, but I still feel for the guy. He clearly loved being the manager of the Villa. Quite right, too.
He seems a really decent bloke; there are very few people who have a bad word to say about him. It's a shame it didn't work out, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
I wish him all the best for the future.
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Ouch
If "hate" is the worst word that Lambert's heard from Villa fans in the last year or so...
I admire your admiration of the fella who almost dragged us over the edge. And if he wants to be gracious and refund me some of the money I've spunked on watching his miserable team disappoint yet again, then I might reconsider my opinion of him.
And I'd be happy to bet my house that he didn't write his statement.
You didn't have to go and watch your team.
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In this day of widespread use of SMS and tweets for social and business communication the phone call is the equivalent of walk in the garden. So Paul just take the compensation and no need to be upset.
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Ouch
If "hate" is the worst word that Lambert's heard from Villa fans in the last year or so...
I admire your admiration of the fella who almost dragged us over the edge. And if he wants to be gracious and refund me some of the money I've spunked on watching his miserable team disappoint yet again, then I might reconsider my opinion of him.
And I'd be happy to bet my house that he didn't write his statement.
You didn't have to go and watch your team.
What?
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Let's be honest, it was a ghost written statement by the LMA. And the fact that he was clinging to his millions whilst overviewing a truly dreadful and potentially disastrous spell in our history just makes me hate him more and shows that the club's interests were not on his radar. And Lerner for stumping up the new contract.
Lets be honest, you don't know the LMA wrote that piece. Hate is a dreadful word to use. Says more about you than Lambert. He's gone, and with more dignity than you show. I wanted him gone a long time ago, but will reserve my hate for those who truly deserve it. Paul Lambert is not among them.
Sorry but if he had any dignity he would have resigned months ago if not a year or so.
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What?
You want Lambert to give you money back for you having to watch Villa play poorly. The answer might be a bit simpler - don't go if it's that terrible. It seems counter-productive.
The notion might seem ridiculous to you; but the notion of him having to give you some cash to reverse the hatred you have for him seems similarly ridiculous to me.
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I hope this isn't true. I am glad he is gone but he deserved at least a face to face meeting.
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert upset after being sacked by Tom Fox over the phone, not face to face
Paul Lambert is reportedly hurt after learning of his Aston Villa sacking in a phonecall from Tom Fox.
Lambert neglected to thank Fox during a statement issued through the League Managers Association today.
And it appears the 45-year-old Glaswegian is disappointed that the chief executive did not tell him face to face.
Breaking his silence following his dismissal, Lambert's statement included kind words about chairman Randy Lerner and Fox's predecessor Paul Faulkner, yet there was no mention of the new CEO.
Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action.
It is thought the combination of the Premier League's bumper new broadcast deal and Villa dropping into the relegation zone forced Lerner's hand after consultation with Fox.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-upset-8633256
Lets be honest Paul Lambert is a multi millionaire, this is the nature of the game. A face to face meeting would have delivered the same message.
Well written statement for sure and as most of us have said Lambert is clearly a good guy.
Considering he was completely aware of the constraints of the role from the start, I cannot understand why he left Norwich for us.
Norwich gave Hughton big money to buy the likes of Van Wolfswinkle, Hooper, Elmander, Becchio all of which were brutal.
Huge job for him to rebuild his management career now and to be honest I cant see him back in the top division again.
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Just as ridiculous is the notion that he should "do the right thing" and walk away from a payout that he is contractually due. Why would he?
Maybe because some things- pride, decency and dignity- ought to matter more than money.
Haha! So if the company you work for wants to make you redundant because they think somebody else will do your job better you ought to forego the redundancy package that you're entitled to out of 'pride'?
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There may have been a clause that if he dropped into the bottom 3 they could sack him?
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Ouch
If "hate" is the worst word that Lambert's heard from Villa fans in the last year or so...
I admire your admiration of the fella who almost dragged us over the edge. And if he wants to be gracious and refund me some of the money I've spunked on watching his miserable team disappoint yet again, then I might reconsider my opinion of him.
And I'd be happy to bet my house that he didn't write his statement.
You didn't have to go and watch your team.
Isn't going to watch the team, however shit they are, kind of what being a supporter is about?
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Yes, absolutely. However, if it's got to the stage where it's such a chore that you want your money back, then stop going. I haven't been recently because I can't afford it and what money I have got I don't spend on Villa because it's not enticing enough. I'm still a supporter.
My point was more that I disagree with someone saying that they would want their money back because the football hasn't been good enough.
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I was joking about demanding a refund from Lambert's multi million pound payout, I'd have thought that was obvious. The hate bit was true though
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Just as ridiculous is the notion that he should "do the right thing" and walk away from a payout that he is contractually due. Why would he?
Maybe because some things- pride, decency and dignity- ought to matter more than money.
Haha! So if the company you work for wants to make you redundant because they think somebody else will do your job better you ought to forego the redundancy package that you're entitled to out of 'pride'?
In that circumstance I would consider myself entitled to the redundancy.
However, if I was the manager of Aston Villa, already a multi-millionaire and it was clear to all that I was failing, and hurting the club and jeopardising it's future, I would walk away and let somebody else take the reigns whilst the situation could be saved. And yes, forego *even more millions*.
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Well yes. I've got myself into making a point that didn't really need to be made. My point was that to hate the man is a bit much as he's simply a man who hasn't been good enough at his job. I wasn't good enough at my job a few years back however hard I tried: I think he's the same, albeit in a much higher profile position (obviously) and I don't think it's anything to hate someone for.
Hey ho, more important things to argue about.
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It's ever so easy to say what you'd do in a situation that will never arise.
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I have got no sympathy for him at all. He had more than long enough to be a success and he was a failure .If he had stayed,there was only one way we were heading.There was a lot of bad feeling when and how he left Norwich for us,so as the saying goes"What goes around,comes around"
I wish him well for the rest of his career ,i am just so happy and relived its no longer with us.
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I think we all agree it was time for him to go!
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Just as ridiculous is the notion that he should "do the right thing" and walk away from a payout that he is contractually due. Why would he?
Maybe because some things- pride, decency and dignity- ought to matter more than money.
Haha! So if the company you work for wants to make you redundant because they think somebody else will do your job better you ought to forego the redundancy package that you're entitled to out of 'pride'?
In that circumstance I would consider myself entitled to the redundancy.
However, if I was the manager of Aston Villa, already a multi-millionaire and it was clear to all that I was failing, and hurting the club and jeopardising it's future, I would walk away and let somebody else take the reigns whilst the situation could be saved. And yes, forego *even more millions*.
Hilarious.
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Just as ridiculous is the notion that he should "do the right thing" and walk away from a payout that he is contractually due. Why would he?
Maybe because some things- pride, decency and dignity- ought to matter more than money.
Haha! So if the company you work for wants to make you redundant because they think somebody else will do your job better you ought to forego the redundancy package that you're entitled to out of 'pride'?
In that circumstance I would consider myself entitled to the redundancy.
However, if I was the manager of Aston Villa, already a multi-millionaire and it was clear to all that I was failing, and hurting the club and jeopardising it's future, I would walk away and let somebody else take the reigns whilst the situation could be saved. And yes, forego *even more millions*.
Hilarious.
Thanks for your input mate.
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I hope this isn't true. I am glad he is gone but he deserved at least a face to face meeting.
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert upset after being sacked by Tom Fox over the phone, not face to face
Paul Lambert is reportedly hurt after learning of his Aston Villa sacking in a phonecall from Tom Fox.
Lambert neglected to thank Fox during a statement issued through the League Managers Association today.
And it appears the 45-year-old Glaswegian is disappointed that the chief executive did not tell him face to face.
Breaking his silence following his dismissal, Lambert's statement included kind words about chairman Randy Lerner and Fox's predecessor Paul Faulkner, yet there was no mention of the new CEO.
Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action.
It is thought the combination of the Premier League's bumper new broadcast deal and Villa dropping into the relegation zone forced Lerner's hand after consultation with Fox.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-upset-8633256
"Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action."
Are they after some kind of reward?
Pat on the back for their intervention?
Twats!
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I hope this isn't true. I am glad he is gone but he deserved at least a face to face meeting.
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert upset after being sacked by Tom Fox over the phone, not face to face
Paul Lambert is reportedly hurt after learning of his Aston Villa sacking in a phonecall from Tom Fox.
Lambert neglected to thank Fox during a statement issued through the League Managers Association today.
And it appears the 45-year-old Glaswegian is disappointed that the chief executive did not tell him face to face.
Breaking his silence following his dismissal, Lambert's statement included kind words about chairman Randy Lerner and Fox's predecessor Paul Faulkner, yet there was no mention of the new CEO.
Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action.
It is thought the combination of the Premier League's bumper new broadcast deal and Villa dropping into the relegation zone forced Lerner's hand after consultation with Fox.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-upset-8633256
That was my immediate reaction as well.
However then I thought about it and it is not always as straightforward as that. Just say Tom Fox called him up and said that they needed to meet urgently. Lambert then asks him "does this mean I am getting the sack?" Does Tom Fox tell him? If so is that bad and he should have insisted on getting him face to face first?
I know that is all hypothetical but I would like to think we did at least try and do things the right way.
My other thought today is that it is sad to reflect that if he had been as articulate on a day to day basis as he was in that valedictory statement we might (might) not be in this mess now.
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I hated her more when she said it it in the words of the bitch
Rejoice rejoice tonight people!
Agree with absolutely ALL of this!!
Should have gone long ago, after Bradford if he had any respect for himself or the club, feel like buying a ticket for the first time in a long time.
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To Fox was in the US apparently, so a phone call may have been the right thing to do - especially as it was a pressing requirment to sack the useless sod.
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It's ever so easy to say what you'd do in a situation that will never arise.
I agree - I've always struggled to sack people. Regardless of whether they deserved the sack or not. Some sackings are a matter of fact, some are down to opinion. It's never an easy job to do.
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To Fox was in the US apparently, so a phone call may have been the right thing to do - especially as it was a pressing requirment to sack the useless sod.
well if he was the game was on live out here. I doubt if the result added to Randy's current level of enjoyment in owning Aston Villa.
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Still celebrating.
May I say:
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I'd rather feel a bit of sympathy for him now than the utter disdain I'd have felt for him at the end of the season if he'd stayed on.
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Could the lack of thanks for Fox be anything to do with the fact the man's only been in the job five minutes? They can't have had much time to build up the kind of working practice Lambert had with Lerner and Faulkner.
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For fuck's sake, is this bloke never off the bloody telly?
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Could the lack of thanks for Fox be anything to do with the fact the man's only been in the job five minutes? They can't have had much time to build up the kind of working practice Lambert had with Lerner and Faulkner.
Pete Colley on SKY reckoned things appeared strained between Fox and Lambert from the start. Although new boss/poorly performing employee doesn't usually start or end well.
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Could the lack of thanks for Fox be anything to do with the fact the man's only been in the job five minutes? They can't have had much time to build up the kind of working practice Lambert had with Lerner and Faulkner.
Pete Colley on SKY reckoned things appeared strained between Fox and Lambert from the start. Although new boss/poorly performing employee doesn't usually start or end well.
I'm liking the sound of Fox the more I hear about him.
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Just a thought - now that Lambarse has gone do you think that Norwich will allow us to buy Wes Hollahan? ;D
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I hope this isn't true. I am glad he is gone but he deserved at least a face to face meeting.
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert upset after being sacked by Tom Fox over the phone, not face to face
Paul Lambert is reportedly hurt after learning of his Aston Villa sacking in a phonecall from Tom Fox.
Lambert neglected to thank Fox during a statement issued through the League Managers Association today.
And it appears the 45-year-old Glaswegian is disappointed that the chief executive did not tell him face to face.
Breaking his silence following his dismissal, Lambert's statement included kind words about chairman Randy Lerner and Fox's predecessor Paul Faulkner, yet there was no mention of the new CEO.
Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action.
It is thought the combination of the Premier League's bumper new broadcast deal and Villa dropping into the relegation zone forced Lerner's hand after consultation with Fox.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-upset-8633256
"Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action."
Are they after some kind of reward?
Pat on the back for their intervention?
Twats!
I suspect they caught wind of his imminent sacking and went with that. After what has gone on before, I don't think they would have come out with that unless they were certain he was going.
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Just a thought - now that Lambarse has gone do you think that Norwich will allow us to buy Wes Hollahan? ;D
Or their manager!
;-)
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For fuck's sake, is this bloke never off the bloody telly?
Bollocks.
And TalkSport now.
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Just read Lambert's statement on the beeb website: very generous and statesman-like. Good on him.
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I'll give Fox his dues, there's no room for sentiment in football these days and hes done what needed to be done. Contrast that against Paul Faulkner who walked in sympathy with another pathetically underachieving chancer at Forest. It may not be pleasant but that's the way it is.
As for Lambert himself, I wish him the best, never really hinted at being up to the task but never resorted to having a pop at the fans like O Leary did and I'm sure he gave it his best shot. I wouldn't be surprised to see him rock up at Celtic reunited with his backroom buddies all ready to go again in the not too distant future.
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Statement from Randolph
Following several brutally challenging years at Villa, Paul Lambert arrived with a fresh view and a proven style and track record. It was our hope, and belief, that Aston Villa would find its footing and strengthen during Paul's tenure with the club.
Adding players and investing in the squad over the last three years has strengthened Villa, and it is our hope that given the quality, leadership and team spirit at Bodymoor Heath that we can rise to the occasion for the remainder of the season.
I want very much to thank Paul for his commitment to me personally, and to Villa, and wish him well personally and professionally in his future endeavors.
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I hope this isn't true. I am glad he is gone but he deserved at least a face to face meeting.
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert upset after being sacked by Tom Fox over the phone, not face to face
Paul Lambert is reportedly hurt after learning of his Aston Villa sacking in a phonecall from Tom Fox.
Lambert neglected to thank Fox during a statement issued through the League Managers Association today.
And it appears the 45-year-old Glaswegian is disappointed that the chief executive did not tell him face to face.
Breaking his silence following his dismissal, Lambert's statement included kind words about chairman Randy Lerner and Fox's predecessor Paul Faulkner, yet there was no mention of the new CEO.
Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action.
It is thought the combination of the Premier League's bumper new broadcast deal and Villa dropping into the relegation zone forced Lerner's hand after consultation with Fox.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-upset-8633256
"Lambert's sacking was announced around 8 o'clock last night, hours after the Birmingham Mail called for the club to take action."
Are they after some kind of reward?
Pat on the back for their intervention?
Twats!
I suspect they caught wind of his imminent sacking and went with that. After what has gone on before, I don't think they would have come out with that unless they were certain he was going.
A bit of conspiracy stuff eh? Like it!
Also the term "hours after"...what 2 or 24? 48? Lot of difference.
(Reminds me of the letters I used to receive from examination bodies telling me of the latest change to the exam spec which would influence our teaching and exam prep enormously...often received late in April, 3/4 weeks before the end of the course, but invariably dated "Spring"...allowing them to drop us in the shit whilst giving the impression of being efficient.)
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For fuck's sake, is this bloke never off the bloody telly?
Bollocks.
And TalkSport now.
Oh great. Now everyone is going to think we're all Yam Yams.
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For fuck's sake, is this bloke never off the bloody telly?
Bollocks.
And TalkSport now.
Oh great. Now everyone is going to think we're all Yam Yams.
You should be so lucky.
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Where can I get a jacket like the one you were sporting tonight Dave?
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I'm glad Randy didn't sound utterly bonkers in this statement.
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Random fact. There are now no Scottish managers in the premier league.
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Leadership at Bodymoor Heath ? Have I missed something ?
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It was a long time coming. Much like McLeish he won't leave with too much ill will as a person, but as a manager he was hopeless. It's a shame, he could spot a player. We've got a good amount of quality at our disposal but tactically Lambert was clueless and devoid of any idea of how to get that out. This season we've seen him gradually lose the dressing room in my opinion. Certain players have really looked devoid of energy and effort. Gabby in particular has been wretched. That's of course largely his own responsibility, but clearly even some of our stalwarts have lost a lot of will under Lambert. It's become a depressing grind.
Good luck to him but he should have gone ages ago. The timing of this is possibly too late for anyone to come in and pull us away. If we stay up it'll be by the skin of our teeth.
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Random fact. There are now no Scottish managers in the premier league.
Except for Villa's manager.
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Just as ridiculous is the notion that he should "do the right thing" and walk away from a payout that he is contractually due. Why would he?
Maybe because some things- pride, decency and dignity- ought to matter more than money.
Haha! So if the company you work for wants to make you redundant because they think somebody else will do your job better you ought to forego the redundancy package that you're entitled to out of 'pride'?
World of difference between being made redundant because the job no longer exists and getting sacked for repeated failure to achieve basic performance expectations.
If it's going to significantly reduce your chances of future employment, getting out before you're sacked might be the smart move.
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When is the tribunal ?
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I can't believe this spin from some jounos stating that Lambert offered to be sacked due to the financial restrictions and he warned Lerner we would be relegated. This the same Lambert who said it was the strongest squad he had worked with, and if you look at it compared to his Norwich squad it is streets ahead. He did a very poor job this season.
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I can't believe this spin from some jounos stating that Lambert offered to be sacked due to the financial restrictions and he warned Lerner we would be relegated. This the same Lambert who said it was the strongest squad he had worked with, and if you look at it compared to his Norwich squad it is streets ahead. He did a very poor job this season.
There are absolutely no excuses for him. They wore thin over a year ago to be honest. Scoring 12 goals this season probably ranks as his greatest failure. It's been awful, and all the signs were there last season when we struggled for goals.
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I bear lambert no ill will. The transfer and wages budget he was working with made his job tough, but quite clearly he, and the team, had run out of steam.
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Does anyone have the figures for his net spending. Lots of people referring to his financial restrictions and curious to understand how it compares to other clubs in recent years
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I can't believe this spin from some jounos stating that Lambert offered to be sacked due to the financial restrictions and he warned Lerner we would be relegated. This the same Lambert who said it was the strongest squad he had worked with, and if you look at it compared to his Norwich squad it is streets ahead. He did a very poor job this season.
There are absolutely no excuses for him. They wore thin over a year ago to be honest. Scoring 12 goals this season probably ranks as his greatest failure. It's been awful, and all the signs were there last season when we struggled for goals.
Teams with significantly lower budgets are doing much better than we are. Lambert is trying to spin his way out of looking like he was bobbins.
I see he was apparently in Scotland, so couldn't be told face to face on Wednesday, and the players had till Friday off! That explains much
A good coaching team is so vital.
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For fuck's sake, is this bloke never off the bloody telly?
Bollocks.
And TalkSport now.
Oh great. Now everyone is going to think we're all Yam Yams.
You should be so lucky.
I couldn't work out how to make the subtitles come on the telly, so didn't understand a word
It sounded to me like "yamyamyam faggits and pays hairy scratchings we ay brummies" repeated on a loop.
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Does anyone have the figures for his net spending. Lots of people referring to his financial restrictions and curious to understand how it compares to other clubs in recent years
I'd like these figures too. Lambert might have been asked to lower the wage bill, but he WAS backed with transfer money. I can't understand why the media keep telling us he had little to spend.
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Does anyone have the figures for his net spending. Lots of people referring to his financial restrictions and curious to understand how it compares to other clubs in recent years
I'd like these figures too. Lambert might have been asked to lower the wage bill, but he WAS backed with transfer money. I can't understand why the media keep telling us he had little to spend.
It was 8th highest.
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Lambert gone
And this is my first post- after years of lurking.
Thank you to the Gods That Be.
We couldn't make the Norwich game, so we weren't among the happy throng who sang his name - but if we had been, we would have sung it out as well.
We can all be wrong along Life, and I don't wish Paul any ill-will.
My feeling is that Paul was an "internal-politics" guy..to put it crudely - a brown-nose.
Stuck very close to Randy and praised him at every turn.
My hero manager has always been Clough, and he treated owners and Directors with the contempt their ignorance deserved.
Paul, to me, was the extreme opposite of Brian Clough, and I felt a few doubts within a couple of months - why did he keep praising Mr Lerner? What for ?
Then he starts calling him 'Randy' in the pressers, then he reverts to "owner", then back to 'Randy'- but always with praise for him.
OK..I bear no ill-will to Paul Lambert, he was a man of straw, who changed opinions, tactics and beliefs with the wind.
But his limited 'nous' has dropped us in it - big time.
As has Mr Narrative and Mr Lerner.
I won't post much, and this is basically to say hello.
;D
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don't be shy, post away!
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When I heard the news I did a little dance!
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Lurk lurk lurk :)
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that is all
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precisely; no need to feel sorry for Paul, he's the class dunce who's got a very big last laugh with squillions in the bank.
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Ooh formatting
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I'd feel a lot more sympathy for the multi-millionaire Paul Lambert if he admitted any of this clusterfuck was his fault.
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I have just been on holiday for a short 4 day break with no access to the internet.
Ordinarily I would have tried to get online to check the result of Tuesday's match, but the way things have been this season I really didn't care and happily avoided hearing the result.
So I log in this morning to check the score and am absolutely gobsmacked that he has been sacked!
I thought it would never happen!
This is great news and things can only get better from here.
UTV
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The only part of that statement from the LMA that was Lambert's was his name. The rest was LMA PR speak.
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Nicely put
And this is my first post- after years of lurking.
Thank you to the Gods That Be.
We couldn't make the Norwich game, so we weren't among the happy throng who sang his name - but if we had been, we would have sung it out as well.
We can all be wrong along Life, and I don't wish Paul any ill-will.
My feeling is that Paul was an "internal-politics" guy..to put it crudely - a brown-nose.
Stuck very close to Randy and praised him at every turn.
My hero manager has always been Clough, and he treated owners and Directors with the contempt their ignorance deserved.
Paul, to me, was the extreme opposite of Brian Clough, and I felt a few doubts within a couple of months - why did he keep praising Mr Lerner? What for ?
Then he starts calling him 'Randy' in the pressers, then he reverts to "owner", then back to 'Randy'- but always with praise for him.
OK..I bear no ill-will to Paul Lambert, he was a man of straw, who changed opinions, tactics and beliefs with the wind.
But his limited 'nous' has dropped us in it - big time.
As has Mr Narrative and Mr Lerner.
I won't post much, and this is basically to say hello.
;D
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Hi *waves*
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The only part of that statement from the LMA that was Lambert's was his name. The rest was LMA PR speak.
As an ex-Union rep, there's no way I'd ever have put out a statement in a member's name without, at least, consulting them.
It may have been ghost-written, but Lambert will have read it and agreed to its contents.
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of course he would and would have agreed to say anything that maximised his chances of another gig by appearing generous and magnanimous. I suspect making sure the compo cheque landing on the doormat asap was also a factor.
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YAHOO!Sport (https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/jim-white/paul-lambert-had-to-go-but-villa-shambles-down-to-randy-lerner-153646609.html)
Paul Lambert had to go but Villa shambles down to Randy Lerner
Paul Lambert had to go but even Pep Guardiola or Sir Alex Ferguson would struggle at Villa Park
Jim White
After an uncharacteristic lull, the Premier League sack race is back in full flow. To the pile of shattered egos in the out-tray has been added this week the name of Paul Lambert. He joins on the naughty step Neil Warnock, Alan Irvine and Harry Redknapp (though obviously Our ‘Arry resigned due to a dodgy knee rather than receiving a dodgy bullet). The only surprise this week is that Nigel Pearson somehow managed not to be admitted to their increasingly less exclusive club.
In Lambert’s case the news – as it so often is in the business – was delivered with a brutal lack of respect. He was fired by phone call from the Aston Villa chief executive Tom Fox on Wednesday night. Which is marginally more dignified than David Moyes, who learned he had been given the heave ho from Manchester United last March when a journalist rang him for a comment on his own demise.
Mind, Lambert must have known it was coming. Villa have been a side in decline almost throughout his tenure. In his first season, he remained in the club of Premier League managers largely thanks to the goals provided by Christian Benteke. Once the Belgian’s ability to score was compromised by injury, however, he had no plan B. The wretched defeat away at Hull on Tuesday - a performance utterly bereft of hope, heart or chutzpah - was hardly a calling card for him retaining his job. For many a Villa fan – including Stan Collymore who had remained tight lipped in his loyalty longer than most – that was the game that signalled change had to be made. A fresh approach was needed. Otherwise Villa were going down.
And that still might happen, even if Pep Guardiola were somehow persuaded to take control of the club (which is about as likely as Alex Ferguson stepping into the Villa Park technical area. Or Alex McCleish). Whoever comes in will be expected to work with the same lacklustre group of players Lambert assembled. While there is often a dead cat bounce effect with a new man in charge (as has happened at QPR and West Bromwich) it will be some task for whoever comes in to affect significant change. Villa’s collective spirit looks woeful in comparison to that of Burnley, Leicester, or indeed QPR. The signs are ominous. This weekend’s FA Cup tie with Leicester, far from offering welcome distraction, is likely only to compound the collective misery.
If Villa are to slip down into the Championship just as the money clouds are about to rain cash on the heads of those still in the Premier League there will be only one man to blame. And it is not Lambert. As terminally down beat and uninspired as the Scotsman may have been, the real responsibility for decline lies upstairs, in the office of the club owner Randy Lerner.
The American has had an oddly self-destructive reign of control at Villa Park. After buying the club in 2006, it didn’t take him long to discover that, as a business, football was a basket case. If Lerner were going to make a profit out of his new property – which he intended to do – he soon decided that there needed to be a drastic reduction in outgoings. Which is why he and Martin O’Neill – his first and most successful managerial appointment - fell out. Which was a remarkably silly thing to do, to lose the most significant and talented executive he had.
So when Lambert came in – following the disastrous short lived reigns of Gerard Houllier and Alex McCleish - he did so under the instruction that he had to bring down the wage bill, ship out the big earners, and develop his own talent rather than spend in the transfer market. Lerner told him that he was going to face the toughest job of his life. And he wasn’t wrong. Though he did manage to compound the difficulty by the frequency with which he shot himself in the foot. First ostracising, then shipping out a proven goal scorer like Darren Bent at the precise moment he needed someone to score goals was not the mark of a man in search of job security.
Now, there is nothing wrong with running a tight ship. Swansea City have managed to turn a handsome profit every year they have been in the Premier League by the not exactly complicated process of ensuring costs are lower than income. But Swansea have always operated in that manner, long before they reached the top flight. It means there are no expectations or assumptions among players or fans. It has allowed them to grow and develop into the Premier League, increasing their spend as more money became available thus enabling them to buy more talented players. Since the expectation at Villa has always been so much greater it has made such prudence a less viable approach. Lerner’s attempt rapidly to right a culture of ambitious purchasing destabilised things. It did not allow an alternative methodology to grow. The lack of investment became very quickly all too horribly evident on the pitch.
And Lerner has paid the price of his impatience. Villa look nailed on candidates for Premier League eviction, just at the moment that the increase in 70 per cent television revenue promises to cover up all but the most profligate of spending plans.
The very fact that Lerner waited until after the transfer window had closed to fire a man who was clearly floundering was indicative. He knew full well that if he were to attract in any sort of decent candidate while the window was open, the new man would demand a budget to buy the club out of trouble.
So he preferred to wait. Which means, with a demoralised workforce who can only turn things around if corralled by a top drawer motivator, he is now obliged to try to attract someone into the club without any prospect of buying in some help. The queue of suitable candidates is unlikely to stretch round the car park.
Thus it is that Lerner is likely to find his parsimony punished by losing his place at the table at the precise moment the dosh is being handed out. And they say Americans don’t do irony.
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Nicely put
And this is my first post- after years of lurking.
Thank you to the Gods That Be.
We couldn't make the Norwich game, so we weren't among the happy throng who sang his name - but if we had been, we would have sung it out as well.
We can all be wrong along Life, and I don't wish Paul any ill-will.
My feeling is that Paul was an "internal-politics" guy..to put it crudely - a brown-nose.
Stuck very close to Randy and praised him at every turn.
My hero manager has always been Clough, and he treated owners and Directors with the contempt their ignorance deserved.
Paul, to me, was the extreme opposite of Brian Clough, and I felt a few doubts within a couple of months - why did he keep praising Mr Lerner? What for ?
Then he starts calling him 'Randy' in the pressers, then he reverts to "owner", then back to 'Randy'- but always with praise for him.
OK..I bear no ill-will to Paul Lambert, he was a man of straw, who changed opinions, tactics and beliefs with the wind.
But his limited 'nous' has dropped us in it - big time.
As has Mr Narrative and Mr Lerner.
I won't post much, and this is basically to say hello.
;D
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I am a big Clough fan too but his contempt for the owner is why he left Derby and his contempt for the directors and club in general is a major reason why he was sacked by Leeds. The reason he lasted so long at Forest was they were run by a committee with an elected chairman and he was able to influence, divide and rule. Currying favour with Cloughie tended to get you and keep you in the chair.