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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rudy65 on February 10, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
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In years gone by Villa fans have been accused of being fickle. It was maybe the DOL comment or our midland rivals just talking shite as usual.
However, I just cant believe we have seemingly accepted our great club is being torn apart by firstly the owner and secondly, Lambert. There has been no protest, no booing after the game, no Lambert out chanting, no protest banners. Why not? Have we all become nonchalant and apathetic about the last 12 months?
Im not sure what it will take. No turning up to Sundays game, boycotting the next home league game? What should we do?
Lerner and Fox treat us like idiots. Do they realise how absolutely sick and tired we are of all this shit. After all we consistently turn up en masse at VP.
We have just for to do something. We have just accepted mediocrity, and when I say 'we' I include myself.
What the f can we do to get Lerner to see sense and as a first step sack Lambert.
As things stand we are DEFINITELY going down
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I'm not sure what the fans can do, but the whole line of argument of "we've got to support the team" is nonsense, it's not exactly done us any good up to now.
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I keep reading that 'the fans don't deserve this'. Which is true, they don't. But they choose to give a fuck about football, and this exactly what happens in football. Do people who care about Burnley or Leicester deserve it any more?
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I don't know, but clapping that shower isn't going to help.
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can I just suggest, the boycott of everything inside villa park. programs,food, drink and everything in the villa shops.the club think we have no power but I could almost guarantee, if everyone got involved,the club would think twice, but it would have to be virtually everyone. you could still buy your tickets and support the lads.once they start losing hundreds of thousands of pounds, they have to try and get that money back.
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Stop going. It is the only message that will make any difference. Gates go down by 50% in a month and there will be change.
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I keep reading that 'the fans don't deserve this'. Which is true, they don't. But they choose to give a fuck about football, and this exactly what happens in football. Do people who care about Burnley or Leicester deserve it any more?
Yes, but as fans we are going down without a whimper. Not one iota of protest. We will look back on this, when we are in the championship and bitterly regret not protesting more
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In years gone by Villa fans have been accused of being fickle. It was maybe the DOL comment or our midland rivals just talking shite as usual.
However, I just cant believe we have seemingly accepted our great club is being torn apart by firstly the owner and secondly, Lambert. There has been no protest, no booing after the game, no Lambert out chanting, no protest banners. Why not? Have we all become nonchalant and apathetic about the last 12 months?
Im not sure what it will take. No turning up to Sundays game, boycotting the next home league game? What should we do?
Lerner and Fox treat us like idiots. Do they realise how absolutely sick and tired we are of all this shit. After all we consistently turn up en masse at VP.
We have just for to do something. We have just accepted mediocrity, and when I say 'we' I include myself.
What the f can we do to get Lerner to see sense and as a first step sack Lambert.
As things stand we are DEFINITELY going down
I'm not in the best of moods, I don't need anybody telling me it's my fault.
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If you are that angry, pay the joining fee and go to the Villa supporters trust AGM. Hired fuck wit Tox Fox will be there with his corporate nonsense talk.
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Stop going. It is the only message that will make any difference. Gates go down by 50% in a month and there will be change.
It needs to be more obvious than that. Make it an empty stadium on Sunday in the home end. Unfortunately, there will be those 'better' fans who will always want to attend but they would probably accept there wife's shagging someone else behind their backs
The media need to start questioning Lambert based on our own displeasure. He gets off scott free every f in week
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In years gone by Villa fans have been accused of being fickle. It was maybe the DOL comment or our midland rivals just talking shite as usual.
However, I just cant believe we have seemingly accepted our great club is being torn apart by firstly the owner and secondly, Lambert. There has been no protest, no booing after the game, no Lambert out chanting, no protest banners. Why not? Have we all become nonchalant and apathetic about the last 12 months?
Im not sure what it will take. No turning up to Sundays game, boycotting the next home league game? What should we do?
Lerner and Fox treat us like idiots. Do they realise how absolutely sick and tired we are of all this shit. After all we consistently turn up en masse at VP.
We have just for to do something. We have just accepted mediocrity, and when I say 'we' I include myself.
What the f can we do to get Lerner to see sense and as a first step sack Lambert.
As things stand we are DEFINITELY going down
Oh fuck off.
I'm not in the best of moods, I don't need anybody telling me it's my fault.
If you want to stay posting on here for any extended period of time I would suggest changing your posting style.
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I don't get it, somehow we are to blame for whats going on. what are we supposed to do?
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In years gone by Villa fans have been accused of being fickle. It was maybe the DOL comment or our midland rivals just talking shite as usual.
However, I just cant believe we have seemingly accepted our great club is being torn apart by firstly the owner and secondly, Lambert. There has been no protest, no booing after the game, no Lambert out chanting, no protest banners. Why not? Have we all become nonchalant and apathetic about the last 12 months?
Im not sure what it will take. No turning up to Sundays game, boycotting the next home league game? What should we do?
Lerner and Fox treat us like idiots. Do they realise how absolutely sick and tired we are of all this shit. After all we consistently turn up en masse at VP.
We have just for to do something. We have just accepted mediocrity, and when I say 'we' I include myself.
What the f can we do to get Lerner to see sense and as a first step sack Lambert.
As things stand we are DEFINITELY going down
Oh fuck off.
I'm not in the best of moods, I don't need anybody telling me it's my fault.
Ok, so do as youve done the last 12 months. Sob in a corner and do f all. See you at the sty next season
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I keep reading that 'the fans don't deserve this'. Which is true, they don't. But they choose to give a fuck about football, and this exactly what happens in football. Do people who care about Burnley or Leicester deserve it any more?
The likes of Burnley and Leicester are new to the league, they are given some leeway in that respect. When it happens to clubs who consistently punch well below their weight then you can make a case for "they don't deserve it"
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One thing we won't tolerate is insulting other fans. If anyone does, expect to be taking an extended break. That includes insulting or getting digs in at fans who won't protest or boycott etc.
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One thing we won't tolerate is insulting other fans. If anyone does, expect to be taking an extended break from the site. That includes insulting or getting digs in at fans who won't protest or boycott etc.
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Stop going. It is the only message that will make any difference. Gates go down by 50% in a month and there will be change.
It needs to be more obvious than that. Make it an empty stadium on Sunday in the home end. Unfortunately, there will be those 'better' fans who will always want to attend but they would probably accept there wife's shagging someone else behind their backs
The media need to start questioning Lambert based on our own displeasure. He gets off scott free every f in week
When they take their tongues out of the super duper sky 3, they are generally quite critical and say we deserve more
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Pretty weak blaming the fans.
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Getting a couple of hundred noisy fans to Villa Park tomorrow would be a big news story and if Lambert, as I expect, survives even this, would send a message that those few hundred are backed by 50,000 who want this clown out.
Sherwood could be in place for our next league game then we would at least have a chance.
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Stop going. It is the only message that will make any difference. Gates go down by 50% in a month and there will be change.
It needs to be more obvious than that. Make it an empty stadium on Sunday in the home end. Unfortunately, there will be those 'better' fans who will always want to attend but they would probably accept there wife's shagging someone else behind their backs
The media need to start questioning Lambert based on our own displeasure. He gets off scott free every f in week
When they take their tongues out of the super duper sky 3, they are generally quite critical and say we deserve more
Lambert gets away with it time and time again given his record.
Empty stadiums create some media interest, far more than losing 2 nil to Hull
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In years gone by Villa fans have been accused of being fickle. It was maybe the DOL comment or our midland rivals just talking shite as usual.
However, I just cant believe we have seemingly accepted our great club is being torn apart by firstly the owner and secondly, Lambert. There has been no protest, no booing after the game, no Lambert out chanting, no protest banners
I also see this supine attitude of the fans, and I wonder why.
In Italy fans would have done the revolution, boycitting the stadium, the shop., etc., for much less than this atrocius series of atrocius goalless games.
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Lerner wants to sell but hasn't got a buyer so no point with any Lerner Out stuff. We can't protest regarding spending money because the window has shut. The only thing we can do is protest against the manager. Which I sense is coming to a ground near us very soon.
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If enough people have still got them, can we organise either a mass return or a mass cremation of the 'Proud History Bright Future' scarves?
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Sundays game is too soon in advance and many people have already bought tickets. The best game to do a boycott would be Stoke. Season ticket holders would only miss one game, not many people will have bought tickets anyway. There will always be the odd few who will refuse to boycott, but a crowd of under 10,000 would really send out a message
I don't think it would happen though, not enough people would be willing to do it
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Read Children Of The Revolution & follow my generations lead. Villa were in a terrible state in the late 60s but we forced change eventually.
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Pretty weak blaming the fans.
Do nothing and accept your clubs fate then
What do you suggest then?
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Getting a couple of hundred noisy fans to Villa Park tomorrow would be a big news story and if Lambert, as I expect, survives even this, would send a message that those few hundred are backed by 50,000 who want this clown out.
Sherwood could be in place for our next league game then we would at least have a chance.
Unfortunately a few hundred doesn't send out a message that they are backed by 50,000, even though in this case they probably are. Not sure why you are such a Sherwood fan. Although I do think he would shake things up I'm not sure he is the answer.
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Did anyone get a response to emailing Tom Fox?
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Read Children Of The Revolution & follow my generations lead. Villa were in a terrible state in the late 60s but we forced change eventually.
Read it and loved it
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Hopefully in a transatlantic call Randy is telling Fox to flick the coin.
Get Laudrup in before QPR
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One thing we won't tolerate is insulting other fans. If anyone does, expect to be taking an extended break from the site. That includes insulting or getting digs in at fans who won't protest or boycott etc.
Spot on
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Abso'fucking'lutely nothing!!!
If the wankers running our club continue to think the deluded chancer is the right man (as they keep telling us) then there is fuck all, you, I or all of us can do.
We don't matter, and they don't care.
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Did anyone get a response to emailing Tom Fox?
Did I fuck.
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Hopefully in a transatlantic call Randy is telling Fox to flick the coin.
Get Laudrup in before QPR
Laurdrup would be my choice. Sherwood really, really doesn't interest me
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I'm okay, I have half a dozen different kinds of medication within reach. No bottle of whisky though unfortunately. However, ever the optimist* I will settle for a steak sandwich and an orange juice.
Actually, the optimism is probably down to the medication.
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Maybe we should form a breakaway club, by the time Lambert is gone we could be in the same division.
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Give Lambert fucking dogs abuse if he is anywhere near the Villa Park dugout next game.The man has no shame if he hasn't resigned by tomorrow.
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-Protest
-Petition
-Email media outlets, BBC, Talksport, Sky, etc and let them know the full of it - if the club don't want to know perhaps we could shame them into action
-Consider boycotting a game - this will divide fans though
-Or, go to a game en masse but leave Villa in no doubt about how fans feel about the state of the club (singing, flags, etc)
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Am ringing up the ticket office to tell them I don't want a ticket for Sunday unless Lambert is gone.
Then ringing again and saying don't want a Stoke ticket unless Lambert is gone.
Have Swansea and Olbiun tickets booked but after that we shall see.
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I actually think Dollys fickle comment has resulted in Villa fans trying so hard to prove we're not fickle that we put up with shit loads more than any other fans would.
But this has got to be it now. Stuart Pearce got fired at Forest, a club he's revered as a legend at, for virtually the same record as Lamberts. Like others have said, pointless protesting against the owner - we've got to concentrate on getting the worst manager we've had for 30 years out of the club.
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Out of interest, who would be Villa's worst ever manager? Would Lambert get anywhere near that?
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Out of interest, who would be Villa's worst ever manager? Would Lambert get anywhere near that?
McLeish, McNeill, Docherty, Lambert, Cummings is, I think, the order for worst win percentages in all comps. His defeats percentage must be right up there though.
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If I were a season ticket holder I'd like to think I'd boycott. But it's a lot of money for people to say goodbye to.
And it's pretty much like being a crack addict.
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Out of interest, who would be Villa's worst ever manager? Would Lambert get anywhere near that?
My son asked me where this side rates in terms of previous outrages
I said it is without doubt the worst football i have ever seen from a Villa team, but ironically , not the worst players.Go figure. (In 40 years)
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Out of interest, who would be Villa's worst ever manager? Would Lambert get anywhere near that?
Much as he tried, even O'Leary didn't match this kind of divide. Crowds are roughly the same, the level of "meh" seems roughly the same.
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-Protest
-Petition
-Email media outlets, BBC, Talksport, Sky, etc and let them know the full of it - if the club don't want to know perhaps we could shame them into action
-Consider boycotting a game - this will divide fans though
-Or, go to a game en masse but leave Villa in no doubt about how fans feel about the state of the club (singing, flags, etc)
And write to the lead singer of Echo And The Bunnymen.
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there are still many who think he's doing a great job and still back him.
they clap and cheer any old shit.
I had people jumping up and down with glee by me when we won a fucking throw in on Saturday.
unless and until there really is a mass shitstorm (like against Bolton), the fans wont be taken seriously.
We have been nowhere near raising the roof like we did in that game, no where near.
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McLeish, McNeill, Docherty, Lambert, Cummings is, I think, the order for worst win percentages in all comps. His defeats percentage must be right up there though.
Cheers for this. I thought Lambert had done worse than McLeish. But either way, how awful to have had two of the worst Villa manages in our history successively.
My son asked me where this side rates in terms of previous outrages
I said it is without doubt the worst football i have ever seen from a Villa team, but ironically , not the worst players.Go figure. (In 40 years)
This is the nutty thing! Our squad shouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone. "Outrages" - lol very apt.
Much as he tried, even O'Leary didn't match this kind of divide. Crowds are roughly the same, the level of "meh" seems roughly the same.
Dolly's 6th place finish was it? Seems like halcyon days now. The smug git. Maybe it's just the optimist in me but I really think with a bit of sane leadership it wouldn't take very much for Villa to be at least mid-table.
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McLeish, McNeill, Docherty, Lambert, Cummings is, I think, the order for worst win percentages in all comps. His defeats percentage must be right up there though.
Cheers for this. I thought Lambert had done worse than McLeish. But either way, how awful to have had two of the worst Villa manages in our history successively.
My son asked me where this side rates in terms of previous outrages
I said it is without doubt the worst football i have ever seen from a Villa team, but ironically , not the worst players.Go figure. (In 40 years)
This is the nutty thing! Our squad shouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone. "Outrages" - lol very apt.
Much as he tried, even O'Leary didn't match this kind of divide. Crowds are roughly the same, the level of "meh" seems roughly the same.
Dolly's 6th place finish was it? Seems like halcyon days now. The smug git. Maybe it's just the optimist in me but I really think with a bit of sane leadership it wouldn't take very much for Villa to be at least mid-table.
Absolutely. This is the best squad since 2010, and the worst performances.
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I actually think Dollys fickle comment has resulted in Villa fans trying so hard to prove we're not fickle that we put up with shit loads more than any other fans would.
But this has got to be it now. Stuart Pearce got fired at Forest, a club he's revered as a legend at, for virtually the same record as Lamberts. Like others have said, pointless protesting against the owner - we've got to concentrate on getting the worst manager we've had for 30 years out of the club.
Pearce had a much better record and had been there 7 months.
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Absolutely. This is the best squad since 2010, and the worst performances.
Indeed, and a lot of that is down to Lambert's signing good players. Even if it is just his scouts doing good work he still has to make the decision. The trouble is, there are many good scouts in the world who would do very very badly if they were made managers.
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Absolutely. This is the best squad since 2010, and the worst performances.
Indeed, and a lot of that is down to Lambert's signing good players. Even if it is just his scouts doing good work he still has to make the decision. The trouble is, there are many good scouts in the world who would do very very badly if they were made managers.
I think you give him too much credit. If the signing were that good, we wouldnt be bottom three
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I actually think Dollys fickle comment has resulted in Villa fans trying so hard to prove we're not fickle that we put up with shit loads more than any other fans would.
But this has got to be it now. Stuart Pearce got fired at Forest, a club he's revered as a legend at, for virtually the same record as Lamberts. Like others have said, pointless protesting against the owner - we've got to concentrate on getting the worst manager we've had for 30 years out of the club.
Pearce had a much better record and had been there 7 months.
Pearce did 3 wins in 23 before he got the boot. Lambert has 3 in 22...
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We had far from the worst squad in the division in 86/87 but still finished bottom.
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I have to say I think his signings have been good. Benteke, Gil, Sanchez, Vlaar, Okore, etc. It's his only redeeming attribute right now I think. Can he somehow black magic them into scoring goals though, that's where he's falling down.
(States the painfully obvious.)
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We had far from the worst squad in the division in 86/87 but still finished bottom.
Not sure about that. From memory we finished bottom because we did have far and away the worst squad. The whole malaise of the club then and now is very similar though
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We had far from the worst squad in the division in 86/87 but still finished bottom.
Not sure about that. From memory we finished bottom because we did have far and away the worst squad. The whole malaise of the club then and now is very similar though
Spink, Dorigo, Williams, Keown, Evans, Hodge (for part of the season), Daley, Birch, Walters, Thompson, all off the top of my head, was nowhere near the the worst squad.
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We had far from the worst squad in the division in 86/87 but still finished bottom.
Same with the other two relegations in my time as a fan. It is not the case that the worst sides go down and that the league table does not lie.
Playing each team twice is more accurate than many of the alternatives, the setup of the NFL, for example. But the form of the opposition on match day can be a massive factor. Consider our team for many years pre Lambo. We would start and end brilliantly, and have an awful slump mid season. Depending on when other clubs played us, they might as well be up against a different side. Then there are bizarre refereeing decisions which never even themselves out.
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I actually think Dollys fickle comment has resulted in Villa fans trying so hard to prove we're not fickle that we put up with shit loads more than any other fans would.
But this has got to be it now. Stuart Pearce got fired at Forest, a club he's revered as a legend at, for virtually the same record as Lamberts. Like others have said, pointless protesting against the owner - we've got to concentrate on getting the worst manager we've had for 30 years out of the club.
Pearce had a much better record and had been there 7 months.
Pearce did 3 wins in 23 before he got the boot. Lambert has 3 in 22...
And by all accounts our former chief exec thought that (Pearces) record was acceptable to the point he resigned in sympathy. Says it all really.
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there are still many who think he's doing a great job and still back him.
they clap and cheer any old shit.
I had people jumping up and down with glee by me when we won a fucking throw in on Saturday.
unless and until there really is a mass shitstorm (like against Bolton), the fans wont be taken seriously.
We have been nowhere near raising the roof like we did in that game, no where near.
The only time I would get excited about a throw in is if and when we actually threw it successfully to one of our own players.
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I'd imagine they were being sarcastic. There's been a lot of sarcastic celebrations by our fans over the last couple of months.
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I have to say I think his signings have been good. Benteke, Gil, Sanchez, Vlaar, Okore, etc. It's his only redeeming attribute right now I think. Can he somehow black magic them into scoring goals though, that's where he's falling down.
(States the painfully obvious.)
I reckon if you put me in charge I could spot and sign a decent player. I would be hopeless at organizing and coaching them though. Just call me Paul.
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I have to say I think his signings have been good. Benteke, Gil, Sanchez, Vlaar, Okore, etc. It's his only redeeming attribute right now I think. Can he somehow black magic them into scoring goals though, that's where he's falling down.
(States the painfully obvious.)
I reckon if you put me in charge I could spot and sign a decent player. I would be hopeless at organizing and coaching them though. Just call me Paul.
I wouldn't. I remember thinking Nigel Jemson was going to be a great player.
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I have to say I think his signings have been good. Benteke, Gil, Sanchez, Vlaar, Okore, etc. It's his only redeeming attribute right now I think. Can he somehow black magic them into scoring goals though, that's where he's falling down.
(States the painfully obvious.)
I reckon if you put me in charge I could spot and sign a decent player. I would be hopeless at organizing and coaching them though. Just call me Paul.
I wouldn't. I remember thinking Nigel Jemson was going to be a great player.
Isn't it funny how my mates never remember me saying David Platt would play for England after seeing his Villa debut at Blackburn but remember going to a Blackpool v Walsall match during a weekend away and me tipping Alex Dyer to play for England.
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I have to say I think his signings have been good. Benteke, Gil, Sanchez, Vlaar, Okore, etc. It's his only redeeming attribute right now I think. Can he somehow black magic them into scoring goals though, that's where he's falling down.
(States the painfully obvious.)
I reckon if you put me in charge I could spot and sign a decent player. I would be hopeless at organizing and coaching them though. Just call me Paul.
I wouldn't. I remember thinking Nigel Jemson was going to be a great player.
Isn't it funny how my mates never remember me saying David Platt would play for England after seeing his Villa debut at Blackburn but remember going to a Blackpool v Walsall match during a weekend away and me tipping Alex Dyer to play for England.
I was convinced that Hadji would see us easily into the Champions' League.
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This is worse than anything McLeish served up yet Lambert hasn't received a fraction of the abuse. Maybe we should all pretend Lambert managed the noses or something equally as trivial to get a proper protest going. If you're going wear foil hats to Villa Park this weekend otherwise you'll continue to be affected by the club propaganda that everything is just fine.
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This is worse than anything McLeish served up yet Lambert hasn't received a fraction of the abuse. Maybe we should all pretend Lambert managed the noses or something equally as trivial to get a proper protest going. If you're going wear foil hats to Villa Park this weekend otherwise you'll continue to be affected by the club propaganda that everything is just fine.
I disagree. There has been a similar amount of stick/abuse towards Lambert as McLeish got (prior to the Bolton game). And that propaganda line is just bizarre.
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This is worse than anything McLeish served up yet Lambert hasn't received a fraction of the abuse. Maybe we should all pretend Lambert managed the noses or something equally as trivial to get a proper protest going. If you're going wear foil hats to Villa Park this weekend otherwise you'll continue to be affected by the club propaganda that everything is just fine.
I disagree. There has been a similar amount of stick/abuse towards Lambert as McLeish got (prior to the Bolton game). And that propaganda line is just bizarre.
it was tongue in cheek because Villa fans seem to keep turning up in huge numbers despite things being this grave. At some point fans need to act with their feet and stop going to games.
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This is worse than anything McLeish served up yet Lambert hasn't received a fraction of the abuse. Maybe we should all pretend Lambert managed the noses or something equally as trivial to get a proper protest going. If you're going wear foil hats to Villa Park this weekend otherwise you'll continue to be affected by the club propaganda that everything is just fine.
The big difference is that owner has said he is trying to sell us and that the current manager is in place while that happens. Most Villa fans are wary of changes in the ownership of companies which affect them and their families and friends. Put bluntly, they don't like the shaft.
If thee was an option to take over the club in some form, as happened in the late 60's and now suggestd by SVC, then it would be a different ball game.
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We can still make our feelings known. We either need to be lot more vocal or vote with our feet and wallets. Eventually there won't be enough games to make a difference. While we have an opportunity to affect change we should.
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I'm as sure as I can be that they know the fan feelings toward Lambert. And if money is the big factor, then not getting relegated is worth a shit load more than 10,000 people not turning up each home game. So they must believe Lambert is the person to keep us up. Which is pretty fucking scary right now.
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As far as staying away is concerned, the club dd not flinch at the devastating drop in season ticket sales. That was the first clear sign for interested observers. Then came the the 4 year contract for PL. Anybody looking for a clearer sign than that should probably give up on trying to read signs and take up another pastime.
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I'd imagine they were being sarcastic. There's been a lot of sarcastic celebrations by our fans over the last couple of months.
Song I heard in the car park after the match tonight
"Pick ourselves up and we go again" to the tune of Tom Hark
"I thought we were excellent" to the tune of La Donna e Mobile (cheers paulie!)
and my personal favourite
"You can't fault the effort from the lads" to the tune of She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain
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The major problem is making a man who appears to have not one idea that the man he has left at the helm of his business, from what is really all that matters the footballing side, is totally incompetent, because for whatever reason, I have scratched a hole in my bald pate trying to work this one out, he thinks regardless of results and past performances, he is the right man.
We have managed to appoint more suits to the club, with the aim of making money for the business, but we cannot identify or be willing to address a slight concern, that the main reason we have a business comes around every so many days and takes place on a patch of grass, but the personnel required to structure this part of the club are not identified, or even more concerning Lerner takes Lamberts word that they are at this moment not required.
The form of protest has to take place while these prized assets are on that patch of grass, because the media will not wake up to no one buying pies or scarfs.
In the back of my mind, I firmly believe that if we go out of the cup Sunday, thats the day the revolt will start with a bang.
I am sure I am not the only one of an older Villa variety, that has this constant dream at the moment, that I can see this berk of a Manager holding up a piece of silver in North London on May 30th, allowing alot of us to complete the set, after ruining Captain Wankstains Stevie G's final, that's just the way Villa do things, but once that flame has died, all hell is gonna break loose.
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As far as staying away is concerned, the club dd not flinch at the devastating drop in season ticket sales. That was the first clear sign for interested observers. Then came the the 4 year contract for PL. Anybody looking for a clearer sign than that should probably give up on trying to read signs and take up another pastime.
Quite, they are all part of the same problem.
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This is worse than anything McLeish served up yet Lambert hasn't received a fraction of the abuse. Maybe we should all pretend Lambert managed the noses or something equally as trivial to get a proper protest going. If you're going wear foil hats to Villa Park this weekend otherwise you'll continue to be affected by the club propaganda that everything is just fine.
I disagree. There has been a similar amount of stick/abuse towards Lambert as McLeish got (prior to the Bolton game). And that propaganda line is just bizarre.
He gets plenty of stick on here but I personally haven't noticed it at TSM levels at a game. However, due to ill health I haven't been able to go for two months. (Insert your own sick of.....Villa/Lambert/losing joke here).
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This is worse than anything McLeish served up yet Lambert hasn't received a fraction of the abuse. Maybe we should all pretend Lambert managed the noses or something equally as trivial to get a proper protest going. If you're going wear foil hats to Villa Park this weekend otherwise you'll continue to be affected by the club propaganda that everything is just fine.
I disagree. There has been a similar amount of stick/abuse towards Lambert as McLeish got (prior to the Bolton game). And that propaganda line is just bizarre.
He gets plenty of stick on here but I personally haven't noticed it at TSM levels at a game. However, due to ill health I haven't been able to go for two months. (Insert your own sick of.....Villa/Lambert/losing joke here).
TSM only got it a couple of games from the end of the season
There have been Lambert Out chants at various times this season - Blackpool was the most sustained with the goal being followed by "we still want Lambert Out" - there are many fans who will not do anything while the team are playing for fear it will affect the team performance - All I say to them is can it be any worse?
It is a human need to have an effect upon our environment, if we don't we become stressed and ill, for that reason I shall do whatever I can to look after my already fragile mental health and make my feelings known at every opportunity
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Absolutely. This is the best squad since 2010, and the worst performances.
Indeed, and a lot of that is down to Lambert's signing good players. Even if it is just his scouts doing good work he still has to make the decision. The trouble is, there are many good scouts in the world who would do very very badly if they were made managers.
I think you give him too much credit. If the signing were that good, we wouldnt be bottom three
We've seen clubs climb away from trouble quickly before (like Crystal Palace under Pullis) simply because a bad manager was replaced with one that could better organise a team. I believe this would happen with Villa, as long as we got the right manager in.
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This is worse than anything McLeish served up yet Lambert hasn't received a fraction of the abuse. Maybe we should all pretend Lambert managed the noses or something equally as trivial to get a proper protest going. If you're going wear foil hats to Villa Park this weekend otherwise you'll continue to be affected by the club propaganda that everything is just fine.
I disagree. There has been a similar amount of stick/abuse towards Lambert as McLeish got (prior to the Bolton game). And that propaganda line is just bizarre.
He gets plenty of stick on here but I personally haven't noticed it at TSM levels at a game. However, due to ill health I haven't been able to go for two months. (Insert your own sick of.....Villa/Lambert/losing joke here).
First time McLeish really got any was Wigan away near the end of Feb. First time he copped it at VP was Bolton 24th April. Lambert has been getting stick to varying degrees since Burnley away.
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Remember those "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves from those foolish, many-splendoured early days? Have you still got yours? How about bringing those to a match and chucking them back on the pitch?
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As hinted in another thread, we could all wear black or dark clothing.
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Anything that involves mass participation is sadly doomed to failure - especially something as involved as dressing a certain way. We have to face up to the fact that Villa fans are not, and rarely have been, united. Plus there's still a great deal of apathy among fans.
If just 20 or 30 people chucked their scarves back at the club, onto the pitch after a specific match, that will have much more impact than 30 people dressing in black or not taking their seats in the Holte End. The message being: "if this is your bright future, you can stick it."
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I wonder, if the heat was really turned up and onto Tom Fox how quickly he'd act to sack Lambert.
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Remember those "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves from those foolish, many-splendoured early days? Have you still got yours? How about bringing those to a match and chucking them back on the pitch?
Great minds and all that but...I've still got mine gathering dust as I've never used it. When I woke up this morning my first thought was to cut the scarf in half, keep the Proud History bit, and send them the 'Bright Future' with a suitable accompanying note
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They only have to look at the AVFC Facebook page to see what the fans think.
They are not that stupid even thou I wonder why they keep posting embarrassing stuff as if everything is fine.
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Remember those "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves from those foolish, many-splendoured early days? Have you still got yours? How about bringing those to a match and chucking them back on the pitch?
The root cause of our current situation is undoubtedly, in my view, Lerner and chucking the scarves on the pitch would be the perfect way to send that message to him. The guy is simply incapable of making key decisions, judging people and planning long-term. All these behind-scenes appointments should have been made last summer in tandem with giving the manager a realistic transfer budget. Instead,true to form, the chairman has got his strategy all arse about tit. A scarf protest would be dignified whilst sending out a clear message.
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When things like this happen in europe fans tend to turn up at training grounds and make there feelings known.
Maybe we all head to Bodymoor and vent our frustrations. Could also pick someone for assistant managers job whilst we are there.
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I think a silent protest could be in order. Attend the match as normal and stand in abject silence for 90 minutes. This is easier said than done but it will surely get the message across. There can be nothing more eerie than a silent stadium... just ask any nose!
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These plots never pan out . See the last 8 minute thing.
Spontaneous reactions are the only way to go
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These plots never pan out . See the last 8 minute thing.
Spontaneous reactions are the only way to go
a catchy song might be the best bet.
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I Have one. It's three words and four syllables
Fuck Off Lambert
Repeat ad nauseum
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I honestly think stuff directed at the manager can and has just been brushed off as "false narrative" and it's what fans do, they pay their money they can say what they like, we know better. Fans are just f-ickle etc.
but shouting / singing to the effect of Fuck Off Lerner and Fox, might just make them think "Shit, that doesn't look good. How do we make that stop?"
not a great bargaining position to be in if a potential buyer can't help but notice everyone fucking hates you!
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For Fox Sake Flip The Coin
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"we're gonna go down, we're gonna go dooooown.
Lerner's a pussy, now we're left with this clown."
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If the results, performances and financial implications of relegation haven't prompted a decision by now, a few hundred fans gathered outside the ground on a cold Wednesday afternoon is hardly going to make an impact.
Aston Villa doesn't belong to us, we have little influence, the owner is on another continent, the Chief Executive has given Lambert a 4-year contract a few months ago and will want to back him.
The thing that HAS to make the difference is the potential loss of TV money. Even a relegation spot would net us £100m under the new deal.
To put that into context, to earn £100m from ticket sales, we'd have to have a capacity of 200,000 and sell that many season tickets at £500 each; or sell 42,000 season tickets at £2,831 each!
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I think ,if we could make huge pile of Bright Future scarves ,at the side or feet of the William McGregor Statue, it would send a message