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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ads on January 29, 2015, 09:48:11 AM
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Seeing as this appears to have moved on from pure speculation to something more concrete, we may as well have a thread.
SSN are saying he's passed a medical and is finalising a loan move today.
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If true I'm happier with a loan deal than a permanent one. It might encourage him to put in more effort. Also hope it frees up some cash for another player.
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Let's hope he's motivated unlike when he was at Albion.
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Will wait and see, but if he can stay motivated then I guess he could be an improvement on many of our current crop. He has a lot to prove.
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I have reservations about him but a loan should see the best of him
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If it is a loan with the option to buy them it's a no brainer really as we've nothing to lose.
There's a lot wrong on the field at the moment but in terms of transfers I think the club/manager have done well in the main.
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Probably not the best signing we could make, but far from the worst.
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We'll be the 25 year old's 11th club
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I'm not feeling this one myself....but, and it's a big BUT, he might just be that little bit better than N'Zog, Gab and Andi on the wings if...and it's a big IF, he stops thinking football is only about money, hair and that pair of tits he's with.
She's preggers and you know she's going to get all Swansea on us.
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Ah, it's a loan to the end of the season...I'm ok with that
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Try before you buy seems the smart way to go. There is a good player in there, he obviously didn't get a chance at Mn City and was never likely too.
Hopefully he can recapture some good form, but I guess it is down to him.
Damning with faint praise, but he really can't be any worse than Gabby, Andi or Charlie out wide. I hope!
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Has ability but not the kind of character I like to see at the club. Still at his worst is a better option than Nzogbia and has plenty of scope to improve.
Club have played this one pretty well to be honest, looked like there wasnt much interest from other clubs in the end so City and Sinclair were forced to back down.
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MEN saying he will cost £2 million in the summer.
MEN Link (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-city-flop-sinclair-set-8538183)
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Try before you buy seems the smart way to go. There is a good player in there, he obviously didn't get a chance at Mn City and was never likely too.
Hopefully he can recapture some good form, but I guess it is down to him.
Damning with faint praise, but he really can't be any worse than Gabby, Andi or Charlie out wide. I hope!
I totally agree. This 'try before you buy' is a great way to go and I really hope it pays off in this case.
It's good to see that PL has noticed what his weaknesses are going forward, though. Hopefully Gil and Sinclair will give us a bit more technical ability rather than relying purely on pace alone, feeding the big-man with all the balls he can take.
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If we are getting the Sinclair from Swansea then it's a great signing. However, he's been in semi retirement for the past two years. Hope it works out but I have my reservations.
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A loan is the right deal.
If he shows he's prepared to work hard to resurrect his career and use his skills to move The Villa up the table then the deal can be a more permanent one.
If he doesn't then ManCi£y can have him back on their payroll and we can spend the money on another player.
Win win I reckon.
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2mill is nothing in todays prices, but he has to prove himself first. I go along with the thought that he can't be any worse than what we currently have out wide.
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If true I'm happier with a loan deal than a permanent one. It might encourage him to put in more effort. Also hope it frees up some cash for another player.
I wouldn't hold your breath
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Agree with all the caveats above but he is exactly the type of player we need so fingers crossed that he gets his out and decides he wants to be remembered for something other than being Mr Sophie Webster.
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Did he play much at WBA?
The way my head works, is that I would be happy to coast if the opportunity was there (Sinclair at Man City) but if I knew I was playing I would be busting a gut to make sure I did not let anyone down or make a tit of myself on the pitch. It sounds a bit 'chicken and egg', but he might need the pressure of first team football to put in the extra effort.
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I do not know too much about him - does he play on the left or right wing ?
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I do not know too much about him - does he play on the left or right wing ?
left back?
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Kinda reminds me of Tom Ince, the hype never matched the football.
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Hopefully it will at the least get Gabby to start playing as his place has never been under threat.
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This does mean that (unless we’re about to buy Cleverley), we’ll have used up both our domestic loans for the season.
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This does mean that (unless we’re about to buy Cleverley), we’ll have used up both our domestic loans for the season.
Dawkins and Holt aren't coming back. We will just all have to deal with it and get over it.
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We'll be the 25 year old's 11th club
In that case time to engage his brain and apply himself to get the best out of his natural talent. He is a lucky lad that he can play football and so far he has managed to play for Premier League clubs including man city with all the talent they have so he needs to make the most out of this opportunity. Otherwise a wasted life......
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He was on loan at Small Heath at one point wasn't he?
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We'll be the 25 year old's 11th club
In that case time to engage his brain and apply himself to get the best out of his natural talent. He is a lucky lad that he can play football and so far he has managed to play for Premier League clubs including man city with all the talent they have so he needs to make the most out of this opportunity. Otherwise a wasted life......
I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
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He was on loan at Small Heath at one point wasn't he?
Was he?
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We'll be the 25 year old's 11th club
Blimey, he's had more clubs than Stephen Ireland's had grandmother's funerals
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He was on loan at Small Heath at one point wasn't he?
Was he?
On loan from Chelsea for the second half of 08/09. Played fourteen, scored none.
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He was on loan at Small Heath at one point wasn't he?
Played more games for Blues than he did for Man City
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The Mail have a picture of him in a Man City shirt (during a game not a pre season photo call). Must be photoshopped. To be fair he looked good at Swansea and although he has done nothing at City he hasn't had many chances and that isn't necessarily all down to him.
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This does mean that (unless we’re about to buy Cleverley), we’ll have used up both our domestic loans for the season.
Dawkins and Holt aren't coming back. We will just all have to deal with it and get over it.
Or maybe we'll just sign them both on permanent deals...?
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Not jumping up and down about him to be honest.
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He has an average of just under 1 goal every 4 games P190 Goals 45. If he could bring this to Villa Park we'd be laughing (he can also take a decent pen). UTV!
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Underwhelmed!
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Let's hope he's motivated unlike when he was at Albion.
I hope so too, but then again would you be motivated to wake up every morning to go to work in Smethwick?
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lets see what he has got , remember Routledge doing nothing for us and then looking explosive elsewhere :)
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I like him. Always liked wingers. Hopefully he can add more goals to our team. Still want a centre-forward to compete with/play alongside Benteke too.
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I'm sure it was Sinclair who a few seasons back, maybe in Swansea's first year back up, tore Warnock a new one time and again in a game at VP.
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Fingers crossed, you never know he might be able to pick himself up and go again...
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Lets see what he's got remember Routledge doing nothing for us and then looking explosive elsewhere :)
I liked Routledge. He hardly played any games for us to do anything before being shipped off.
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Well lets wait and see, he is the type of player we need at least. The minimum we needed this window was a couple of creative players, which we have now got.
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
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I'm sure it was Sinclair who a few seasons back, maybe in Swansea's first year back up, tore Warnock a new one time and again in a game at VP.
It was Nathan Dyer
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
I can never understand why some footballers will work their damndest from their early schooldays to make it as a pro then give up when they're so close to the summit. I would imagine that the gap between a good footballer in the playground to Sinclair or Charles N'Zogbia is absolutely massive compared to the final step to them being a Beckham or Gerrard.
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
Really?
(http://www.girlsfashionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/66307_2.jpg)
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don't care about the picture because there's plenty where she looks quite good. What doesn't change is the fact that she's a right dope, with or without make-up.
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
Really?
(http://www.girlsfashionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/66307_2.jpg)
Fuck.
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It's all about desire. Look at what Lampard and Beckham have achieved in their careers compared to more naturally gifted players. Sinclair has gone from boy wonder at Bristol City to a player who couldn't quite make the grade at Chelsea to becoming an England hopeful at Swansea. I understand that the contract offered by Man City has secured his financial future but at the age of 25 i'd say this will be his last chance of a top flight career. He's got the ability, that's not in dispute. The next few months will prove whether or not he has the heart.
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No fuck.
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No fuck.
HA
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As far as I see it, this is a big opportunity for him to get his career back on track.
If he doesn't grab the opportunity at Villa, you wonder what else is left for him in the game, other than a move to a Championship side.
On the basis that we can send him packing if he doesn't produce (see Cleverley, Tom), I can't see what we've got to lose.
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Let's hope he's motivated unlike when he was at Albion.
In fairness, having to slum it with that lot would have that effect on most right thinking people.
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On the basis that we can send him packing if he doesn't produce (see Cleverley, Tom), I can't see what we've got to lose.
Well, playing devil's advocate, potentially our top flight status.
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Some loan players work out some don't it all comes down to the individual and their motivation, no doubt this guy can play let's hope he's more of a Kyle Walker than a Phil Bardsley.
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Loan with a view to a move is a good idea. He's the width we've been lacking. Hopefully no more Gabby in the team.
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
Really?
(http://www.girlsfashionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/66307_2.jpg)
I've had a million times worse. I'd bet we all have.
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Well I'm glad it's a loan signing, it's showing we have learned a few lessons from signing players who once showed a glimpse of quality in the former years. Nog and Ireland for example. Fingers well and truly crossed he works his magic for us.
Even more surprising is the last two Lambert signings have now been wide players. For a manager who likes to keep it narrow maybe just goes to prove he's got a lot to learn in the management game and more than one type of system is required. Saying that at least is shows he's willing to change his approach too.
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I think he's realized that with one of the best young CF's, he needs to provide him with an alternate suppy option. The current system isn't working. As a Villa fan of a number of years I love us going back to playing with wingers.
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As others have said, this is the best move for us. If he shows some motivation and desire then we could look at signing him, if not, off you go back to Man City's bench, Scott.
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I think he's realized that with one of the best young CF's, he needs to provide him with an alternate suppy option. The current system isn't working. As a Villa fan of a number of years I love us going back to playing with wingers.
Yes I agree, if the two players play as well as they can Benteke should have some fun for us now. What with the defence being pretty solid is it time to be optimistic again?
I hope so!
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If true I'm happier with a loan deal than a permanent one. It might encourage him to put in more effort. Also hope it frees up some cash for another player.
I agree. A loan move is the best outcome for the club. If he doesn't put in the required effort Lambert can send him back.
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I'm sure it was Sinclair who a few seasons back, maybe in Swansea's first year back up, tore Warnock a new one time and again in a game at VP.
I'd tear Warnock and new one, not with the ball but with my bare hands
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Well I'm glad it's a loan signing, it's showing we have learned a few lessons from signing players who once showed a glimpse of quality in the former years. Nog and Ireland for example. Fingers well and truly crossed he works his magic for us.
Even more surprising is the last two Lambert signings have now been wide players. For a manager who likes to keep it narrow maybe just goes to prove he's got a lot to learn in the management game and more than one type of system is required. Saying that at least is shows he's willing to change his approach too.
It's nice to get trained whilst you are being paid circa £1M a year!
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Steven Ireland Mk II
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
Really?
(http://www.girlsfashionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/66307_2.jpg)
Fuck.
;D
Bad picture to be fair. Most women would look like shit with no make up, shit hair and a bad angle.
(http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/296244/slide_296244_2425506_free.jpg?1368024708411)
She's lost it a bit these days though.
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Give him a chance. My biggest hope is that he is given confidence to run at people. It's something we rarely do and opens defenses up. Good move in my view. Good player with a bit of tlc
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
Really?
(http://www.girlsfashionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/66307_2.jpg)
I've had a million times worse. I'd bet we all have.
I would!
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There are some picky buggers on here breeze
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
Really?
(http://www.girlsfashionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/66307_2.jpg)
So Helen, can we get a reaction to your boyfriend moving to the Midlands?
There seems to be a presumption he has been a waster at City. I think it could be just that he hasn't been given a decent chance there. I really rated him at Swansea.
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I'd love to have wasted my life as badly as he has.
I guess i meant wasted talent when you think how hard a player has to work to become a top footballer and than not fulfilling that to the ultimate degree!
And yes I know he earns many many thousands a week and has a very attrative GF
Really?
(http://www.girlsfashionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/66307_2.jpg)
I've had a million times worse. I'd bet we all have.
yup!
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I've had a couple with those exact same evil eyes and demented expression.
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I've had worse looking birds fully done up
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I've had worse looking birds fully done up
When you say 'done up' do you mean made up with all the makeup and hair or restrained against their will in some way?
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Well I'm glad it's a loan signing, it's showing we have learned a few lessons from signing players who once showed a glimpse of quality in the former years. Nog and Ireland for example. Fingers well and truly crossed he works his magic for us.
Even more surprising is the last two Lambert signings have now been wide players. For a manager who likes to keep it narrow maybe just goes to prove he's got a lot to learn in the management game and more than one type of system is required. Saying that at least is shows he's willing to change his approach too.
Yep, am glad too. But he seems to go from one extreme to the other eg ditch bomb squad and bring in young unknowns. They then get loaned out and bomb squad re-instated. Surely he could have some middle ground and let his tactics gradually evolve without the extremes?
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I've had worse looking birds fully done up
When you say 'done up' do you mean made up with all the makeup and hair or restrained against their will in some way?
a little from each column Damo
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Lambert will have to use all his motivational skills and abilities to get the best out of a player for this to work
so good luck with that then
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Well I'm glad it's a loan signing, it's showing we have learned a few lessons from signing players who once showed a glimpse of quality in the former years. Nog and Ireland for example. Fingers well and truly crossed he works his magic for us.
Even more surprising is the last two Lambert signings have now been wide players. For a manager who likes to keep it narrow maybe just goes to prove he's got a lot to learn in the management game and more than one type of system is required. Saying that at least is shows he's willing to change his approach too.
Yep, am glad too. But he seems to go from one extreme to the other eg ditch bomb squad and bring in young unknowns. They then get loaned out and bomb squad re-instated. Surely he could have some middle ground and let his tactics gradually evolve without the extremes?
Thats because basically he ain't got a clue!!
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Sorry don't expect anything from him. Footballers are like flowers. They don't bloom twice.
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Dunno about that. Merse did, for one.
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Dunno about that. Merse did, for one.
Did he ever really drop off though?
He was decent for Arsenal, decent for Boro, decent for us.
It's an interesting point - which players have done really well at a smaller club, been picked up by a richer club, not played, dropped back down and picked up the same level as they were playing originally?
None are springing to mind.
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only one that comes to mind is Scott Parker after Cheslea
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Plenty have had big dips in form that have lasted a year plus and then got that form back though. Young, Downing, Carroll for starters.
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We shall see.
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A loan (with an option?) seems wise. I am skeptical about him but hopefully he will play so well it becomes a mere formality that we would want to keep him.
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Any idea when Sinclair last played a full 90 minutes in a competitive game? All I know is that this season he's played a total of 25 minutes in four substitute appearances.
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Any idea when Sinclair last played a full 90 minutes in a competitive game? All I know is that this season he's played a total of 25 minutes in four substitute appearances.
25th September 2013 by my reckoning. LC for the Bitters vs Arsenal.
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Plenty have had big dips in form that have lasted a year plus and then got that form back though. Young, Downing, Carroll for starters.
Young doesn't really count though - he's still at the same club he went to. If he'd been flogged to Spurs in the summer and got his form back, then perhaps.
Downing and Carroll perhaps are getting their Villa/Newcastle form back so they work in this situation.
Scott Parker is a good shout though.
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Sorry don't expect anything from him. Footballers are like flowers. They don't bloom twice.
The ones in my garden bloom every year. Or are they not technically flowers?
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blimey where's that picture from? Good going to get a hold of it
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For me it's a no risk punt. If we're stuck with his Bitters form then we get rid in the summer. If he gets close to his Swansea form we have a potential bargain.
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Just popped up on twitter 20 minutes or so, someone has clearly messed up because the interview is or was on some people's avtv already ;D
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Just popped up on twitter 20 minutes or so, someone has clearly messed up because the interview is or was on some people's avtv already ;D
ITTTDAI as they say!
In The Training Top Doing An Interview
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Sorry don't expect anything from him. Footballers are like flowers. They don't bloom twice.
The ones in my garden bloom every year. Or are they not technically flowers?
I am sure my lupins and dahlias are up every year blooming. And the tulips for that matter. Let us all hope Scott is one of them.
Is he a Scott, or a Scotty?
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Not impressed by this. Having said that, he can't be any worse than Weimann/Agbonlahor/N'Zogbia. Hopefully he still has the desire to play in the Premier League.
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Grainy images....hmmm
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Welcome Scott, play well please.
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Great Scott!
Well, hopefully! Welcome to the Home of Football and good luck.
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An attacking player!! Lets hope he does well. Good to see things happening at the club again after the coma it's been in since September
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Welcome Scott. Please be awesome.
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Welcome, Scott.
Give 100% for the shirt, show us what you can do, don't listen to the manager and you'll be fine.
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He looks really happy to be here anyway.
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He looks really happy to be here anyway.
Perhaps someone's taken him up the Belfry!
;-)
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I hope he does well.
I fear he is a gargantuan busted flush.
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Kick de ball at Benteke's head. A lot.
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Kick de ball at Benteke's head. A lot.
But that could kill him.
/EndFergiemode
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Where is the snow in that picture?
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i bet lambo will play him right back welcome to the machine scott
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Dunno about that. Merse did, for one.
Did he ever really drop off though?
He was decent for Arsenal, decent for Boro, decent for us.
It's an interesting point - which players have done really well at a smaller club, been picked up by a richer club, not played, dropped back down and picked up the same level as they were playing originally?
None are springing to mind.
Derek Hales
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Siggurdson at Swansea?
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Siggurdson at Swansea?
That's a good shout.
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Welcome, Scott.
Give 100% for the shirt, show us what you can do, don't listen to the manager and you'll be fine.
Can't we ease up on Lambert now? He's clearly not going anywhere, it trying to address the creativity problem and is being backed by one of our best young players who has committed 4.5 years to us. These snide comments and continued negativity can only be counter productive surely?
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If we get the Swansea Scott Sinclair then great, hopefully he has something to prove to the football world who see him as a playboy footballer, good luck Scott and welcome to Aston Villa
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Welcome, Scott.
Give 100% for the shirt, show us what you can do, don't listen to the manager and you'll be fine.
Can't we ease up on Lambert now? He's clearly not going anywhere, it trying to address the creativity problem and is being backed by one of our best young players who has committed 4.5 years to us. These snide comments and continued negativity can only be counter productive surely?
I take your point, but a couple of hundred of people engaging in gallows humour and piss taking on an obscure internet forum is hardly going to have any effect on the team.
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Hopefully the penny has dropped with him and he has realised that a career is short, and there is nothing worse than wasted talent.
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Wayne Routledge?
And it's Routledge I hope is a direct comparison with Sinclair in that he may just need to find a club where he's comfortable.
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The one thing I do like about Sinclair coming in is that we've got someone as well as Gabby with pace. That can only be a good thing.
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Welcome, Scott.
Give 100% for the shirt, show us what you can do, don't listen to the manager and you'll be fine.
Can't we ease up on Lambert now? He's clearly not going anywhere, it trying to address the creativity problem and is being backed by one of our best young players who has committed 4.5 years to us. These snide comments and continued negativity can only be counter productive surely?
I take your point, but a couple of hundred of people engaging in gallows humour and piss taking on an obscure Internet forum is hardly going to have any effect on the team.
Yes but it's more than that isn't. It's constant - on here, Twitter, Facebook and the terraces. You can't read anything about the Villa without some great wit putting comments about 'Lamberk' this and that. I just wish people would give it a rest and see what happens for the next few months. We could start the ball rolling here...
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No one is rolling my balls unless it's Keeley or Kaley. Preferably both.
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Besides, gallows humour and piss taking, is, to a substantial number of us, all we have left. Snide comments and negativity? Now let's think. Fabian Delph has signed a new contract. That is good news up to a point, the point being we do not know what is in the contract and we beat a Championship side at home in the cup. Does that excuse four and a half years of misery? Not in my book. I will stop being negative when I am given something substantial to be positive about.
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No one is rolling my balls unless it's Keeley or Kaley. Preferably both.
You could probably get dippy Helen for decent price
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Welcome, Scott.
Give 100% for the shirt, show us what you can do, don't listen to the manager and you'll be fine.
Can't we ease up on Lambert now? He's clearly not going anywhere, it trying to address the creativity problem and is being backed by one of our best young players who has committed 4.5 years to us. These snide comments and continued negativity can only be counter productive surely?
I take your point, but a couple of hundred of people engaging in gallows humour and piss taking on an obscure Internet forum is hardly going to have any effect on the team.
Yes but it's more than that isn't. It's constant - on here, Twitter, Facebook and the terraces. You can't read anything about the Villa without some great wit putting comments about 'Lamberk' this and that. I just wish people would give it a rest and see what happens for the next few months. We could start the ball rolling here...
I don't think that is going to change until he starts to get a few results. Let's not forget, we're still on a five game, no goals league run.
It is hardly surprising he's getting stick everywhere. The only thing that will stop that is decent results. Or goals, even.
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No one is rolling my balls unless it's Keeley or Kaley. Preferably both.
You could probably get dippy Helen for decent price
She has her knockers but if she comes to games at least we'll have 2 up front.
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She has her knockers but if she comes to games at least we'll have 2 up front.
It's your worst one so far!
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Welcome, Scott.
Give 100% for the shirt, show us what you can do, don't listen to the manager and you'll be fine.
Can't we ease up on Lambert now? He's clearly not going anywhere, it trying to address the creativity problem and is being backed by one of our best young players who has committed 4.5 years to us. These snide comments and continued negativity can only be counter productive surely?
Yes.
We go again, as someone once said.
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No one is rolling my balls unless it's Keeley or Kaley. Preferably both.
You could probably get dippy Helen for decent price
She has her knockers but if she comes to games at least we'll have 2 up front.
I have no idea what you're talking about
(http://www.7msport.com/news/upload_img/20120222/39_2012022211405806.jpg)
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I didn't even know Sinclair was ever at WBA
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I didn't even know Sinclair was ever at WBA
Neither did Sinclair or the Albion.
(http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/badum-tish.jpg)
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She has her knockers but if she comes to games at least we'll have 2 up front.
It's your worst one so far!
Philistine!
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I didn't even know Sinclair was ever at WBA
He played a little for for them. Got injured and then was so poor in training he was sent to play with the kids till his loan was up.
Lets hope he just had a bad year and he is fighting fit now.
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Welcome to a great football club Scott. I hope Real Madrid come in for you at the end of season 2015/16 with a cheque for £30M.
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Grainy images....hmmm
That looks nothing like the Scott Sinclair I remember .
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What about Sturridge? Good at Citeh, not so good at Chelsea till he went on loan to Bolton, pretty good again at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8iSNh2IEAAqlJN.jpg)
Grainy images....hmmm
That looks nothing like the Scott Sinclair I remember .
What about Sturridge? Good at Citeh, not so good at Chelsea till he went on loan to Bolton, pretty good again at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
No, that's definitely Scott Sinclair, about to be very good at Aston Villa!
;-)
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Sturridge was okay at Chavski when they actually played him. 11 in 30 in the league the one season he played much.
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Welcome Scott, and the try before you buy deal could be good for Villa.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8iSNh2IEAAqlJN.jpg)
Grainy images....hmmm
That looks nothing like the Scott Sinclair I remember .
its not him its Jamie Foxx
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I reckon it's Sinclair's head and Delph's body.
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Sturridge was okay at Chavski when they actually played him. 11 in 30 in the league the one season he played much.
Yes, don't remember him getting much game time. Was that when they signed Torres and he obviously had to play every game because the Russian chimp said so?
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Sturridge was okay at Chavski when they actually played him. 11 in 30 in the league the one season he played much.
Yes, don't remember him getting much game time. Was that when they signed Torres and he obviously had to play every game because the Russian chimp said so?
Torres was there but iirc they used to stick Sturridge out wide more, so he was a bit like Weimann.
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Sorry don't expect anything from him. Footballers are like flowers. They don't bloom twice.
The ones in my garden bloom every year. Or are they not technically flowers?
I am sure my lupins and dahlias are up every year blooming. And the tulips for that matter. Let us all hope Scott is one of them.
Is he a Scott, or a Scotty?
Dahlias bloom ?
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I can confirm that I have tulips that bloom every year since about ten years!
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Siggurdson at Swansea?
That's a good shout.
Zamora? Excellent at Brighton, Blues at Spurs (when the ball hits your head and you're sat in row Z thatzamora, by his own fans), better at West Ham and then England call up, almost a Europa winner and cult hero at Fulham...
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Good luck Scott. Hope you can get us firing mate.
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To me, Sinclair and Gill, will replace Gabby and Weimann. If he carries on with that formation anyway.
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I'd love to see Weimann given a chance up front with Benteke. He's not the second Gary Shaw but I think there's 30 league goals a season between them.
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Good luck Scott. Make it work, we'll make you an international. It's what we do!!
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
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Gabby is only an impact player from the bench late in games. He's no longer a starter and he doesn't have the sharpness to be a recognized forward. I like the idea of Weimann with his work rate moving into open spaces created by Benteke or like he did at the weekend taking chances from the good play of others. Benteke needs help up there and some consistency that would come from an established strike partner.
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Agreed. Weimann's a striker who knows where the goal is, but he's utterly wasted playing out in the sticks.
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
If Sinclair can have a great season aiming his passes at Danny Graham, you'd hope that he can have a bit of joy trying to find Benteke.
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
Count me in for that as well.
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I'd love to see Weimann given a chance up front with Benteke. He's not the second Gary Shaw but I think there's 30 league goals a season between them.
Spot on.
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Assuming Hutton, Cissoko, Clark & Okore as well. That could give a bench of Given, Vlaar, Bacuna, Westwood, Grealish, Agbonlahor & Kozak, which has strength in depth and a few options.
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That's the best team if we go 442, however I can't see us not playing with three central midfielders anytime soon. Probably Westwood in for Weimann is what I think we'll see and it could work well, too.
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Sigh. Kozak. :( I fear his career maybe over. Hard to come back from that.
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That's the best team if we go 442, however I can't see us not playing with three central midfielders anytime soon. Probably Westwood in for Weimann is what I think we'll see and it could work well, too.
As we rarely have more than 2 fit CB at a time we may see more of a 442/4411.
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Assuming Hutton, Cissoko, Clark & Okore as well. That could give a bench of Given, Vlaar, Bacuna, Westwood, Grealish, Agbonlahor & Kozak, which has strength in depth and a few options.
As most of us have said, there is a decent amount of ability in the squad, and there has been for a while now.
The problem is that, for all we can see it in theory, we never seem to see it on the pitch with any regularity. Or if we do, it is only in the odd area of the pitch. So, we'll start defending really well, but at the same time, stop scoring goals. Or the midfield will look a bit better, and we'll stop defending.
If the manager could get the team performing at, say, 80%, which I don't think is unreasonable, we wouldn't be mooking around the arse end of the table yet again as we are now.
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That's the best team if we go 442, however I can't see us not playing with three central midfielders anytime soon. Probably Westwood in for Weimann is what I think we'll see and it could work well, too.
As we rarely have more than 2 fit CB at a time we may see more of a 442/4411.
I'm thinking a 433:-
Guzan
Hutton
Okore
Clark
Cissoko
Sanchez
Westwood
Delph
Sinclair
Benteke
Gil
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My mistake, I read that as 3 CB not 3 CM. DOH!
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
That looks rather exciting and, dare I say it, potentially dangerous doesn't it?
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
That looks rather exciting and, dare I say it, potentially dangerous doesn't it?
Don't worry, Lambo will find a way to shoe-horn Cleverley and Gabby in there.
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
That looks rather exciting and, dare I say it, potentially dangerous doesn't it?
Don't worry, Lambo will find a way to shoe-horn Cleverley and Gabby in there.
It would be what I would go for as well. It's the formation Manchester City have played (albeit with better players) with Silva and Nasri tucking in at times.
Going to stick my neck out and accepting that it was against a Championship side, but I thought Cleverley did better in a midfield two last weekend rather than the usual flat three. Still would have Sanchez and Delph as the midfield two though. Hopefully a spell on the bench would fire Gabby up as well and he could have one of his purple patches at the end of the season.
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I'd love to see Weimann given a chance up front with Benteke. He's not the second Gary Shaw but I think there's 30 league goals a season between them.
Agreed as long as Benteke gets 29 of them.
Really gone off Weimann. Shame as I used to like him, but now I just can't stand seeing him on the pitch. I do think he deserves a chance in his natural position though.
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Weimann is a bit of a strange one but playing more centrally suddenly was in the box in scoring positions against Bournmouth. If you put him up with Benteke it might just work, but I think it is more likely that Lambert will have him and Sinclair wide with Gil in a free role behind Benteke and then Sanchez and Delph sitting in.
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
That looks rather exciting and, dare I say it, potentially dangerous doesn't it?
Dangerous for whom? Us or them?
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Agreed. Weimann's a striker who knows where the goal is, but he's utterly wasted playing out in the sticks.
I've mentioned this before, too.
He looks a different player when alongside the big man.
I think Benteke also plays better with Weimann around him
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I'd love to see Weimann given a chance up front with Benteke. He's not the second Gary Shaw but I think there's 30 league goals a season between them.
I agree, Weimann is a striker he is not a wide player.
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Im fairly sure Lambert likes three in the middle Those three will be Cleverley,Sanchez and Delph. with Gil, Weimann and Benteke up front.
I think he will use Sinclair off the bench.
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
That looks rather exciting and, dare I say it, potentially dangerous doesn't it?
Don't worry, Lambo will find a way to shoe-horn Cleverley and Gabby in there.
It would be what I would go for as well. It's the formation Manchester City have played (albeit with better players) with Silva and Nasri tucking in at times.
Going to stick my neck out and accepting that it was against a Championship side, but I thought Cleverley did better in a midfield two last weekend rather than the usual flat three. Still would have Sanchez and Delph as the midfield two though. Hopefully a spell on the bench would fire Gabby up as well and he could have one of his purple patches at the end of the season.
I have a feeling that we'll see a bit more from Cleverley now that we'll (hopefully) have Gil and Sinclair in the team.
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There's no way he'll drop both Cleverley and Westwood. They'll both play in the next two games for a start.
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OBHSTS?
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Now we have Sinclair and Gil, there is absolutely no reason for Weimann to play wide. I have said before that I have felt sorry for him, because he's a victim of his own work rate and Lambert's inability to get flair/wide players in sooner.
Him playing off Benteke, where he can get in the box and do damage or where he can drop a little deeper to rough up the opposition midfield, as was the case against Borunemouth, is where he should be playing.
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Has he actually been confirmed as a signing yet?
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Later today.
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OBHSTS?
I assume its "On Bodymore Heath Stretching The Shirt"
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Thanks.
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Outside bodymoor heath stretching the shirt. Surely?
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Outside bodymoor heath stretching the shirt. Surely?
That's what I was aiming for.
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Will wait and see, but if he can stay motivated then I guess he could be an improvement on many of our current crop. He has a lot to prove.
Trouble is, Lambert doesn't seem like a motivator
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Assuming Hutton, Cissoko, Clark & Okore as well. That could give a bench of Given, Vlaar, Bacuna, Westwood, Grealish, Agbonlahor & Kozak, which has strength in depth and a few options.
As most of us have said, there is a decent amount of ability in the squad, and there has been for a while now.
The problem is that, for all we can see it in theory, we never seem to see it on the pitch with any regularity. Or if we do, it is only in the odd area of the pitch. So, we'll start defending really well, but at the same time, stop scoring goals. Or the midfield will look a bit better, and we'll stop defending.
If the manager could get the team performing at, say, 80%, which I don't think is unreasonable, we wouldn't be mooking around the arse end of the table yet again as we are now.
If only
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Outside bodymoor heath stretching the shirt. Surely?
That's what I was aiming for.
The picture shows him outside a building at the training centre rather than outside the entrance to BH
In that case it should be OABABHSTS
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I would prefer to see him;
ITSOBMHMBHFT.
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Will wait and see, but if he can stay motivated then I guess he could be an improvement on many of our current crop. He has a lot to prove.
Trouble is, Lambert doesn't seem like a motivator
Lambert is,nt a motivator ? , that seems to contrary to general opinion among the players .....................Godzvilla!
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Outside bodymoor heath stretching the shirt. Surely?
That's what I was aiming for.
The picture shows him outside a building at the training centre rather than outside the entrance to BH
In that case it should be OABABHSTS
Outside a random building at Bodymoor Heath is still outside Bodymoor Heath.
If it had to be the entrance specifically, it would have been OTETBHSTS
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Welcome, Scott.
Give 100% for the shirt, show us what you can do, don't listen to the manager and you'll be fine.
Can't we ease up on Lambert now? He's clearly not going anywhere, it trying to address the creativity problem and is being backed by one of our best young players who has committed 4.5 years to us. These snide comments and continued negativity can only be counter productive surely?
So sorry, Chris. I'll go and bury my head in the sand.
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His record is still shit though, so i think until we see a noticeable improvement over a reasonable amount of time on the pitch, people are still entitled to scowl.
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His record is still shit though, so i think until we see a noticeable improvement over a reasonable amount of time on the pitch, people are still entitled to scowl.
Absolutely. What's the point in pretending everything's fine and dandy when it isn't?
The fans mirror what is happening on the pitch that's all.
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OBHSTS?
I assume its "On Bodymore Heath Stretching The Shirt"
Oh bloody hell Scott twatting Sinclair
I think 😃
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^^ Where's the Like icon ?
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Is Pat Murphy on holiday? Just asking as there is nothing on the BBC website about this happening at all. Not even in the Sports Day updates yesterday or today.
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Is Pat Murphy on holiday? Just asking as there is nothing on the BBC website about this happening at all. Not even in the Sports Day updates yesterday or today.
Lambert treated him to a cruise.
A slow boat to China.
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Well it's official now.
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Let's hope he's motivated. I'd stick him straight in the team against Arsenal.
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If he actually gives a shit this time, and can replicate some of his Swansea form, he could be a real player for us. Our front four could look extremely menacing with him on the left.... A good deal, lets hope he delivers.
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Welcome to Villa Scott, what number shirt you been given?
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Play well please Scott.
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Scott, don't believe Lambert when he tells you that there is more to a game than scoring goals! Shot please. Lots.
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Welcome Scott.
Hope your time here is extremely successful for you and The Villa.
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OBHSTS?
Obvious Body Head Shop total sham.
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I hope Callum Robinson goes back on loan to Preston. The experience will benefit him no end.
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Siggurdson at Swansea?
That's a good shout.
Gonna push me luck now: Weaselface and Carroll at wet spam and also Charlie Adam.
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Welcome Scott to what I hope turns out to be your greatest footballing experience.
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Could be a decent signing, he's got a lot to prove. Now he's seems to have settled down we might have signed him just at the right time.
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Alan Hutton?
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He says all of the right things in the video on the OS. What I would hope he admits to himself privately is that a good percentage of his failure is down to his own actions. If he can hold himself accountable and know that he needs to mature then he will be a tremendous asset to the club. He's a very good player and was proving that every week at Swansea. If he can rediscover that form we'll have a gem.
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Welcome to Villa Scott, what number shirt you been given?
Pravda
Scott Sinclair will wear the No.9 shirt for Villa.
Sinclair follows in the footsteps of the likes of Dean Saunders, Savo Milosevic, Stan Collymore, Dion Dublin and Juan Pablo Angel.
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No mention in that list of Villa's most iconic Number 9
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Stephen+Ireland+Aston+Villa+v+SK+Rapid+Vienna+TnOFBMIwdUOl.jpg)
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Welcome to Villa Scott, what number shirt you been given?
Pravda
Scott Sinclair will wear the No.9 shirt for Villa.
Sinclair follows in the footsteps of the likes of Dean Saunders, Savo Milosevic, Stan Collymore, Dion Dublin, Juan Pablo Angel and Marlon Harewood.
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Is he eligible for the Arsenal game?
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Just me being old fashioned but I really hate the number 9 shirt given to any player other than a recognized striker and preferably a centre forward
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Is he eligible for the Arsenal game?
How can somebody who has only played 25 mins first team football this season and not much last season either be an asset to us?
No way can he be match fit at premier league level for a month or two.
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Number 9 should be a striker
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Number 9 should be a striker
I'd hope that it was offered to Tekkers and then Kozak pre-season but he decided to stick with their current numbers.
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Is he eligible for the Arsenal game?
How can somebody who has only played 25 mins first team football this season and not much last season either be an asset to us?
No way can he be match fit at premier league level for a month or two.
Gil wasn't playing much at Valencia. Seems perfectly fine to me.
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Welcome to Villa Scott, what number shirt you been given?
Pravda
Scott Sinclair will wear the No.9 shirt for Villa.
Sinclair follows in the footsteps of the likes of Dean Saunders, Savo Milosevic, Stan Collymore, Dion Dublin and Juan Pablo Angel.
Collymore before Peter withe ?
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Welcome to Villa Scott, what number shirt you been given?
Pravda
Scott Sinclair will wear the No.9 shirt for Villa.
Sinclair follows in the footsteps of the likes of Dean Saunders, Savo Milosevic, Stan Collymore, Dion Dublin and Juan Pablo Angel.
Collymore before Peter withe ?
they either forgot or are appealing to a slightly younger audience
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Ok loanees in the last 15 years that were made permanent.
Carbone - no
De Bilde - no
Bakke - no
Bardsley - no
Milner - initially no
Walker - no
Bertrand - no
Just off the top of my head, I'm sure there has been others but someone else can chime in. They either ended up being crap and a waste of time (might as well of played our own) or so good we were disappointed they didn't sign (Carbone and Walker particularly). So, with that in mind, what's the point?
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Curtis Davies- yes.
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Welcome to Villa Scott, what number shirt you been given?
Pravda
Scott Sinclair will wear the No.9 shirt for Villa.
Sinclair follows in the footsteps of the likes of Dean Saunders, Savo Milosevic, Stan Collymore, Dion Dublin and Juan Pablo Angel.
Collymore before Peter withe ?
they either forgot or are appealing to a slightly younger audience
Andy Gray? Andy Lochhead? But football was invented in 1992 don'cha know! *sigh*
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Ok loanees in the last 15 years that were made permanent.
Carbone - no
De Bilde - no
Bakke - no
Bardsley - no
Milner - initially no
Walker - no
Bertrand - no
Just off the top of my head, I'm sure there has been others but someone else can chime in. They either ended up being crap and a waste of time (might as well of played our own) or so good we were disappointed they didn't sign (Carbone and Walker particularly). So, with that in mind, what's the point?
What about keane? He helped to keep us up. Have we had many with the option to buy afterwards either?
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Or maybe they are just the Number 9s from the squad era. Prior to that, of course, the Number 9 was decided on the day and if there were injuries or suspensions, the player in the shirt changed.
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If
Ireland N'Zogbia Sinclair can replicate the form he showed for Man City Wigan Swansea he could be a good player for us.
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I hope he can get back to the level he showed at Swansea and he realises it's up to him to work hard.
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Curtis Davies- yes.
I was going to put that in, but because as I remember it was already done, and was treated as a loan from some sort of financial haggling (can't remember the exact story). So I wouldn't include that.
Keane I agree was very good also, but again wasn't made permanent, the only difference being we knew that from the start.
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
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I just think we didn't want to pay for 12 months with Davies and the Albion agreed to it. Or something !
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
No chance.
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
No chance.
Is that 48k+
add-ons?
Maybe if it doesn't work out with us, he'll go abroad; Spain or Italy. The current exchange rate is 1.33 euros to the pound, which means that for his 48k he could get €C64.
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
No chance.
yep, 100% no chance of that whatsoever.
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Oh, I dunno, maybe we should wait and C5.
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I think this is very positive.
Is this our starting 11 at the minute:
Brad
Hutton Okore Clarke Aly
Sanchez
Sinclair Delph King Carles
Weimann Bentekkers
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Welcome Scotty 2 Hotty. You are at the greatest club you will ever play for, make the most of it son.
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
What a "tight fisted chairman" we have.
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
No chance.
yep, 100% no chance of that whatsoever.
/WOOSH
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
Nice. :D
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
No chance.
yep, 100% no chance of that whatsoever.
/WOOSH
There were a spectrum of salary possibilities open.
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Old people and their love of puns.
*shakes head*
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Welcome to the Villa Scott
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Old people and their love of puns.
*shakes head*
I don't get it.
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Old people and their love of puns.
*shakes head*
I don't get it.
OLD PEOPLE AND THEIR LOVE OF PUNS!
Did you get it this time?
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Sinclair is on 48k I hear with an upgrade to 128k if he does well...
No chance.
yep, 100% no chance of that whatsoever.
/WOOSH
(http://i.bnet.com/blogs/homer_doh.png)
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Welcome to the Villa Scott.
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Shit, is it too late to add if he does badly or we get relegated he would go down to 16K?
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/sinclair_zpsqga9lkza.png)
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There has to be a bonus clause in every new contract to mention the word hungry. Now that I think about it isn't far from lunchtime here and I'm getting a bit peckish myself.
Back to Scotty - I hope he does show that on match day. I wonder if he said anything similar on joining the Tesco's, because that didn't work out so well.
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£48k a week, really?
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I just think we didn't want to pay for 12 months with Davies and the Albion agreed to it. Or something !
I thought it was something to do Albion wanting to delay the payment in their own tax interests.
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£48k a week, really?
Yep, he'll be loaded eventually but it takes a while.
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£48k a week, really?
DB makes the best joke of the year so far on H&V and people aren't appreciating it
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He'd be able to join the Jet Set on those wages
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Manic. My nur-se is off for more pills.
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48k? That sort of money makes me Dizzy.
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Oh. I get it now.
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£48k a week, really?
Yep, he'll be loaded eventually but it takes a while.
Post of the month.
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£48k a week, really?
Yep, he'll be loaded eventually but it takes a while.
Post of the month.
That is very strong.
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£48k a week, really?
Yep, he'll be loaded eventually but it takes a while.
Post of the month.
That is very strong.
Subjective award.
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I'm agreeing with you. It's one of the strongest puns I've seen in a H&V pun-run.
It works on a number of levels.
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Excellent.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/sinclair_zpsqga9lkza.png)
Apparently it was Milner ( Bless him ! ) that sold Sinclair on coming to us ..............Godzvilla!
From the O.S...
" Newboy Scott Sinclair says he got a definitive thumbs-up from James Milner as he rubber-stamped his move to Villa.
Sinclair was interested to find out Milner's views concerning the claret and blues in the days leading up to the loan transfer.
And the winger says Villa's former No.8 was gushing in his praise for the club - and the fans.
Milner had two stints at Villa, the first on loan from Newcastle United under David O'Leary in 2005-06 and the second a permanent spell with Martin O'Neill from 2008-2010.
Sinclair says Milner is the kind of person whose opinion holds weight and he was in left in no doubt about the eminence and grandeur of his new club.
He said: "I spoke to James before I came here.
"He told me Villa is one of the best clubs around. He loved his time here. He said I'd love it too.
"He had no doubts that I'd enjoy myself here.
"I was speaking to Milly throughout the weeks about the club. He just kept giving rave reviews.
"He said he loved every minute of his time at Villa.
"He made a point of praising the fans too - he said they're great to play for.
"He just made it clear that I would have a fantastic time here.
"James is a guy I respect and you know when he says something, he means it.
"I just can't wait to settle in here now and be a part of it."
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Can I just say I love James Milner or "Milly" as I affectionately like to call him.
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Yes like this for me
Sanchez Delphi
Gil Sinclair
Weimann Benteke
That would be my choice as well.
That looks rather exciting and, dare I say it, potentially dangerous doesn't it?
Dangerous for whom? Us or them?
Hopefully them ;)
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Can I just say I love James Milner or "Milly" as I affectionately like to call him.
His final game for us is one I won't forget.
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Number 9 should be a striker
I'd hope that it was offered to Tekkers and then Kozak pre-season but he decided to stick with their current numbers.
They were right to refuse it. They can not handle the massive pressure that it brings following the legend that is Stephen Ireland!
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His interview is very promising and the fact he knows Delph could be a big bonus for team morale. I've got a few mates who support Plymouth and they have said he is the best player they have seen play. They're regulars down there and he was very popular.
I'm quite excited with that line up above, if that ain't a strong well balanced side I don't what is.
If we can get on form in the attacking department the end of season could be fun.
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Can I just say I love James Milner or "Milly" as I affectionately like to call him.
I prefer Jimmy myself. I bet he is at his hotel now tucked up in bed before anybody else getting his 12 hours in and than a midday nap before the late kick off tomorrow. If Scotty shows 90% of Jimmy's professionalism he would do very well for us.
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Agreed, IanJ, it was a good interview. It sounds like he really does want to play again and seems very happy to be here.
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I really hope so. I'm to be convinced about his attitude. He's earned a lot of money from a very early age and not really done a great deal for years. I hope he realises he won't get a better chance than this.
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Everyone's a winner with this deal. Fee agreed, but the chance to have a really good look. Scott knows he's got to work really hard to prove he wants it enough. Villa can't really lose.
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Can I just say I love James Milner or "Milly" as I affectionately like to call him.
I prefer Jimmy myself. I bet he is at his hotel now tucked up in bed before anybody else getting his 12 hours in and than a midday nap before the late kick off tomorrow. If Scotty shows 90% of Jimmy's professionalism he would do very well for us.
90% of JM's professionalism is a pretty high bar!
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Very optimistically I realise but I just love the thought of two proper wide men attacking full backs and getting in crosses to a powerful CF. My kind of football and I truly hope it reignites Benteke and in Weimann develops a great partnership.
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Is Sinclair cup-tied?
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I don't know but Callum Robinson is.
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Is Sinclair cup-tied?
Think he mentioned in interview that he wasn't.
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Cant get enthused by this signing at all. Got a feeling he could be another Stephen Ireland.
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Is Sinclair cup-tied?
Think he mentioned in interview that he wasn't.
He isn't cup tied.
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Think we need to give him a bit of a go.
He might be just what we need...and he does have quite a bit to prove if he wants to develop a career in the game.
I hope he does the good stuff with us.
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Cant get enthused by this signing at all. Got a feeling he could be another Stephen Ireland.
Worst case scenario he is on loan for a few months. Hardly the same as Ireland being here for years having cost about £8m plus big wages.
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Cant get enthused by this signing at all. Got a feeling he could be another Stephen Ireland.
Ireland was a well known twat with his antics. I have never seen anything like that from Sinclair, he did feck up moving to Man City but he is not the first to be influenced like that. I recall him on the tele speaking some time back and his brother has some illness,and he came across as a really nice lad. I wish him all the best and what he needs is a run of games
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Is Sinclair cup-tied?
Think he mentioned in interview that he wasn't.
He isn't cup tied.
Good news.
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To be cup tied you actually have to play in a match a cup tie Sinclair has not done much of that lately!
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To be cup tied you actually have to play in a match a cup tie Sinclair has not done much of that lately!
But then you'd expect that if Man City were going to us him anywhere, then with the rest of their reserves in a couple of meaningless FA Cup ties is where they would do it.
*whistles and walks away*
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Cant get enthused by this signing at all. Got a feeling he could be another Stephen Ireland.
Ireland was a well known twat with his antics. I have never seen anything like that from Sinclair, he did feck up moving to Man City but he is not the first to be influenced like that. I recall him on the tele speaking some time back and his brother has some illness,and he came across as a really nice lad. I wish him all the best and what he needs is a run of games
He is a bit of a charlie big bollocks with his glamourpuss girlfriend, mind.
I don't mean he's like a modern day George Best, but he's no James Milner, either.
I hope it works out and will give him every chance to convince me, but I have to be honest, when I think of Scott Sinclair, not long after, I find myself thinking of Stephen Ireland.
It's also worth noting that a lot of the things we are saying about Sinclair at the moment are pretty much exactly the same things we said about Ireland at the time.
That's not to say one will replicate the faults of the other, just that I'm a bit nervous, and I don't think it is entirely without reason.
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...a lot of the things we are saying about Sinclair at the moment are pretty much exactly the same things we said about Ireland at the time.
That's not to say one will replicate the faults of the other, just that I'm a bit nervous, and I don't think it is entirely without reason.
I know what you mean, however I don't think there's quite the positive consensus on here (as I remember it anyway) for Sinclair than there was for Ireland. I do remember more than a few posts on here saying that Ireland was going to be the player that creates things for us - in a team that had just had a massive polo-like hole punched through it by the departure of Milner.
Sinclair by contrast isn't riding in on the wake of a talisman; he looks more like a 'try before you buy' and less of a long term financial burden. More of an educated throw of the dice.
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Sinclair has played on a lot of teams in a short period of time. I would bet he said a lot of the same things at the Albion when it was essentially the same deal; loan with a view to a permanent signing. Maybe he is in a better place now, and he wants to get his career back on track. We all hope that, but the scepticism is certainly justified and especially so soon after Ireland wasted so much of our time and money.
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The number of clubs doesn't mean much as most of them were on loan as a teenager. By the time he was 21 he'd been on loan at 6 clubs a few of them only for a month, so including Bristol R and Chavski he'd been at 8 clubs.Even with his lengthy injuries Gary Gardner is on his 5th club at 22.
If we'd spent £8m and 60K a week (or whatever Ireland ripped us off for) on Sinclair i'd get the Ireland comparisons. As it is he's on loan for 4 months. It's basically risk free. If he's shit we bin him and have lost nothing, if he does well then we get a decent addition to the squad pretty cheap and we'll already know he fits in before signing him.
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It seems to be 50-50 on weather you think Sinclair is a good signing or not.Myself i am not to impressed,but as with any new signing ,he deserves a chance .It is certainly going to be interesting to see if our manager is going to change his style of play yet again and play with some much needed width.
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Be interesting to see if he starts games or is a Plan B.
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One thing is for sure. Sinclair is a winger. He doesn't play in any other position. Lambert has said in the past something like" wingers are outdated in the modern game". So he has just brought one in. One who doesn't score goals but has a decent ammount of skill but a questionable attitude. Thank god he is only on loan.
Meanwhile Aaron Lennon (a Ray Graydon type of winger) who would be perfect for us at our level is probably going to Hull...... Hull!
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If he can get some decent crosses in for our forwards on a consistant basis he's done his job,is he better than Albrighton who we let go ? If he is then we will be a lot more likely,we also need Benteke to regain his mojo,both things happen plus Gil and Wiemann/Gabby played purely as strikers then I'm more optimistic.
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One thing is for sure. Sinclair is a winger. He doesn't play in any other position. Lambert has said in the past something like" wingers are outdated in the modern game". So he has just brought one in. One who doesn't score goals but has a decent ammount of skill but a questionable attitude. Thank god he is only on loan.
Meanwhile Aaron Lennon (a Ray Graydon type of winger) who would be perfect for us at our level is probably going to Hull...... Hull!
His goal scoring record was decent at Swansea. I am not sure he's the kind of 'chalk on the boots' player some are expecting, I think the is (was) more to his game than that.
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My hope is that we don't sacrifice our recently-acquired solidity in the middle of the park. That being the case, I'd expect SS to be an impact sub in most games; with a MF 3 and Benteke, Weimann and Gil as the front three.
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One thing is for sure. Sinclair is a winger. He doesn't play in any other position. Lambert has said in the past something like" wingers are outdated in the modern game". So he has just brought one in. One who doesn't score goals but has a decent ammount of skill but a questionable attitude. Thank god he is only on loan.
Meanwhile Aaron Lennon (a Ray Graydon type of winger) who would be perfect for us at our level is probably going to Hull...... Hull!
I've always liked Lennon, but doesn't he pick up a lot of injuries? We've been down that road before with Spurs loanees.
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Maybe Dave (Bath) can give us regular ITK's on Scotty's state of mind due to their mutual mate.
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He strikes me as a victim of the modern game. Some ability, too much money, not enough common sense.
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He strikes me as a victim of the modern game. Some ability, too much money, not enough common sense.
I'm not sure about not enough common sense. Maybe not enough motivation due to like you said, too much money. It's up to him now. I've got a sneaky feeling he'll be alright for us.
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There is an added bonus of him doing well for us will have the Bitters feeling very bitter.
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There is an added bonus of him doing well for us will have the Bitters feeling very bitter.
Especially if he scores past them in a few weeks time.
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Is he more of a left or right winger ? I can barely remember him playing for Swansea
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Until minutes ago, I'd had no idea he'd played 14 times for the filth. Booooooo!
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I hope he's not another Nzog,
I remember him being lauded on here for his efforts with Wigan, I couldn't remember him being all that special, but I certainly wasn't an expert on Wigan so thought I must have missed most of his good stuff
I hadn't he was hyped up more than his ability due to a few good touches on MOTD, I reckon Sinclair could be the same, was he really any better than Nzog was at Wigan,
maybe on MOTD he looked a world beater every now and then, but his subsequent non action for Man a City tells a story,
a story I fear that may not have a happy ending
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Having aired those doubts,
He's only on loan so no big risk really
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Welcome Scotty hope you will be a great success and we will all be desperate to make this move permanent come May.
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A very poor signing in my view.
He's not a footballer anymore, he's a celebrity, famous because he hangs out the backside of some annoying, big breasted weasel who embarrassed herself on reality tv.
He made absolutely no impact at Albion, infact he seemed far more interested in the lifestyle. Whilst we were playing games he took it upon himself to go shopping in London or Manchester or wherever else Helen Flanagan decided.
Very questionable attitude, the only player Pepe Mel ever singled out.
The worst loan signing I've ever seen at the Albion. And believe me, we've had had some shite.
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A very poor signing in my view.
He's not a footballer anymore, he's a celebrity, famous because he hangs out the backside of some annoying, big breasted weasel who embarrassed herself on reality tv.
He made absolutely no impact at Albion, infact he seemed far more interested in the lifestyle. Whilst we were playing games he took it upon himself to go shopping in London or Manchester or wherever else Helen Flanagan decided.
Very questionable attitude, the only player Pepe Mel ever singled out.
The worst loan signing I've ever seen at the Albion. And believe me, we've had had some shite.
you might be right Liam. Naturally we are all hoping isn't anything like the version you had last season. Out of interest how would be perceived over there if suddenly he decided that he is bothered again and starts to resemble the player Man City bought?
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you might be right Liam. Naturally we are all hoping isn't anything like the version you had last season. Out of interest how would be perceived over there if suddenly he decided that he is bothered again and starts to resemble the player Man City bought?
I think we'll just laugh to be honest. It would be sods law wouldn't it? If he performs for you, I won't be too fussed. I'll just remember him for a tosser that we wasted the best part of £4million on.
I don't think he will though. I think he has stagnated, declined and made enough to fund his lifestyle. Shame really.
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A very poor signing in my view.
He's not a footballer anymore, he's a celebrity, famous because he hangs out the backside of some annoying, big breasted weasel who embarrassed herself on reality tv.
He made absolutely no impact at Albion, infact he seemed far more interested in the lifestyle. Whilst we were playing games he took it upon himself to go shopping in London or Manchester or wherever else Helen Flanagan decided.
Very questionable attitude, the only player Pepe Mel ever singled out.
The worst loan signing I've ever seen at the Albion. And believe me, we've had had some shite.
However bad he is for us, I bet he still proves better value than £16m on Brown Ideye and Victor Anichebe.
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I do quite like Anichebe but they paid £3m too much for him and the same goes for Sessegenon.
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That's my concern.
It's one thing to struggle to make an impression in a side like Money City, quite another to not even cause a ripple at a two-bob outfit like Olbiyun.
Like Liam, I think he's made his money early and is just in cruise control.
Naturally I hope he proves me wrong.
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However bad he is for us, I bet he still proves better value than £16m on Brown Ideye and Victor Anichebe.
Davies, Reo-Coker, Habib Beye, Harewood, Shorey, Warnock etc ;D
Both Anichebe & Ideye were apparently heavily incentive based. Anichebe was apparently £4million upfront with the remainder being add-ons.
Brown Ideye was also around £2.5m/£3.5m with his incentives being goals based - Richard Garlick confirmed this at supporters club meetings.
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However bad he is for us, I bet he still proves better value than £16m on Brown Ideye and Victor Anichebe.
Davies, Reo-Coker, Habib Beye, Harewood, Shorey, Warnock etc ;D
Both Anichebe & Ideye were apparently heavily incentive based. Anichebe was apparently £4million upfront with the remainder being add-ons.
Brown Ideye was also around £2.5m/£3.5m with his incentives being goals based - Richard Garlick confirmed this at supporters club meetings.
yep a lot of money wasted by us also. Mind you on a squad that kept finishing 6th, got to a cup final and semis in another.
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However bad he is for us, I bet he still proves better value than £16m on Brown Ideye and Victor Anichebe.
Brown Ideye was also around £2.5m/£3.5m with his incentives being goals based - Richard Garlick confirmed this at supporters club meetings.
Do you really believe that though? If he really was that cheap, how come the club haven't come out and said so publicially to take the pressure off him?
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Small Heath used to pull that trick. When they wanted to sound ambitious they'd quote the price with add-ons which would include an extra £10m instalment payable if and when humanity is wiped out by an asteroid. Then if the said player was a flop they'd announce he was only on loan anyway.
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Brown Ideye was also around £2.5m/£3.5m with his incentives being goals based - Richard Garlick confirmed this at supporters club meetings.
Odd.
Your official website seems to claim that you signed him for a club record fee. One that surpassed the fee that you paid for Sessegnon, who was your previous record signing.
If you've only paid £2.5m for him, why is your official website lying about it?
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Small Heath used to pull that trick. When they wanted to sound ambitious they'd quote the price with add-ons which would include an extra £10m instalment payable if and when humanity is wiped out by an asteroid. Then if the said player was a flop they'd announce he was only on loan anyway.
Like when Doug used to announce the cost of signings and it'd be the transfer fee, the total wages over x years, the national insurance, the VAT, the lot.
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Small Heath used to pull that trick. When they wanted to sound ambitious they'd quote the price with add-ons which would include an extra £10m instalment payable if and when humanity is wiped out by an asteroid. Then if the said player was a flop they'd announce he was only on loan anyway.
Like when Doug used to announce the cost of signings and it'd be the transfer fee, the total wages over x years, the national insurance, the VAT, the lot.
Doug was at Small Heath you know. Never forgot a trick.
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Small Heath used to pull that trick. When they wanted to sound ambitious they'd quote the price with add-ons which would include an extra £10m instalment payable if and when humanity is wiped out by an asteroid. Then if the said player was a flop they'd announce he was only on loan anyway.
Like when Doug used to announce the cost of signings and it'd be the transfer fee, the total wages over x years, the national insurance, the VAT, the lot.
The sandwiches Heidi made for him to take to the meet with the player, the tin foil to wrap them in...etc
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Your official website seems to claim that you signed him for a club record fee. One that surpassed the fee that you paid for Sessegnon, who was your previous record signing.
If you've only paid £2.5m for him, why is your official website lying about it?
We have a new brand swanking PR system who were probably under orders to spin it as nicely as they could.
Worth remembering the context of the situation - we had just appointed a hopeless head coach. Many fans were disgruntled that Pepe Mel had left and been replaced by somebody who had struggled in League One. Then we had the fiasco with the pin-stripe kit and the furore that created with idiots messing around with our history and tradition. Jeremy Peace and others were coming in for criticism. The club needed to create a positive headline to at least engage supporters and by suggesting we had spent £10million and broken our transfer record portrayed they were showing some ambition - something they are often questioned about.
Given how thorough they are with their scouting and how reluctant we are to spend fees then I fail to believe we spent £10million on someone like Brown Ideye.
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Watching Delph greet Sinclair at Bodymoor yesterday, I think having a committed Delph constantly moaning at him to get his finger out, in a good way, might well play a big part in Sinclair getting his head down.
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Always found that Tesco's fans stick a few million on any player they sell and knock a few million off any player they buy.
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Thanks for the perspective Liam Baggies. Hopefully he is a different bloke now. I guess we will find out.
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Sinclair was superb at Swansea. Man City ruined his form. There's no doubt a very good player in there....perhaps Villa can help him back to his best? Still only 25!
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Your official website seems to claim that you signed him for a club record fee. One that surpassed the fee that you paid for Sessegnon, who was your previous record signing.
If you've only paid £2.5m for him, why is your official website lying about it?
We have a new brand swanking PR system who were probably under orders to spin it as nicely as they could.
Worth remembering the context of the situation - we had just appointed a hopeless head coach. Many fans were disgruntled that Pepe Mel had left and been replaced by somebody who had struggled in League One. Then we had the fiasco with the pin-stripe kit and the furore that created with idiots messing around with our history and tradition. Jeremy Peace and others were coming in for criticism. The club needed to create a positive headline to at least engage supporters and by suggesting we had spent £10million and broken our transfer record portrayed they were showing some ambition - something they are often questioned about.
Given how thorough they are with their scouting and how reluctant we are to spend fees then I fail to believe we spent £10million on someone like Brown Ideye.
So in other words, they lied to supporters.
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Brown Ideye was also around £2.5m/£3.5m with his incentives being goals based - Richard Garlick confirmed this at supporters club meetings.
Odd.
Your official website seems to claim that you signed him for a club record fee. One that surpassed the fee that you paid for Sessegnon, who was your previous record signing.
If you've only paid £2.5m for him, why is your official website lying about it?
The signings of Brown Ide Girl and Sessegnon remind me of when Sunderland spent a load of money on Tor Andre Flo and Marcus Stewart.
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It's down to Sinclair now. This is last chance saloon for him at a top level club. It's a perfect fit for us , we have only borrowed him and the player needs to prove himself.
Astute signing.
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Your official website seems to claim that you signed him for a club record fee. One that surpassed the fee that you paid for Sessegnon, who was your previous record signing.
If you've only paid £2.5m for him, why is your official website lying about it?
We have a new brand swanking PR system who were probably under orders to spin it as nicely as they could.
Worth remembering the context of the situation - we had just appointed a hopeless head coach. Many fans were disgruntled that Pepe Mel had left and been replaced by somebody who had struggled in League One. Then we had the fiasco with the pin-stripe kit and the furore that created with idiots messing around with our history and tradition. Jeremy Peace and others were coming in for criticism. The club needed to create a positive headline to at least engage supporters and by suggesting we had spent £10million and broken our transfer record portrayed they were showing some ambition - something they are often questioned about.
Given how thorough they are with their scouting and how reluctant we are to spend fees then I fail to believe we spent £10million on someone like Brown Ideye.
So in other words, they lied to supporters.
which I can only assume all Albion fans saw through from the very beginning and called the club out on.
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So in other words, they lied to supporters.
Yes. They need to sell season-tickets.
If that is the case then the person I feel sorry for is Brown Ideye.
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Could go either way this signing. He's a good player on his day. Hopefully he seizes the chance. We're a big club, currently having a bit of a kip, but still a good club for someone like him. If he does well we can make the deal permanent.
I'm glad Lambert has at least pro-actively gone about trying to address our lack of creativity this window. Gil looks very good and Sinclair adds pace. Hopefully he's not a busted flush like Zogbia, as both players have similarities in style.
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I find it hard to believe that they lied to sell a few ST. For starters he's hardly a star player that is going to shift ST because he signed, and also there will be accounts to come, tax etc and there hasn't been a sniff in the media it's a made up figure. Why would the selling club go along with a made up figure?
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Announcing a record signing that actually cost a quarter of what you said he did? That's believable.
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Anyway...he made one great run today and generally retained possession in the final third. More than Gabby did.
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Thought he along with Gil were the only positives today .
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Announcing a record signing that actually cost a quarter of what you said he did? That's believable.
Didn't we do the same with Ivo Stas??
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Announcing a record signing that actually cost a quarter of what you said he did? That's believable.
Didn't we do the same with Ivo Stas??
No; he only cost about £250k when our record was £1.5 million.
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Thought he along with Gil were the only positives today .
Give it a few weeks under Lambert and they will be as hopeless as the rest of them.
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Announcing a record signing that actually cost a quarter of what you said he did? That's believable.
Didn't we do the same with Ivo Stas??
No; he only cost about £250k when our record was £1.5 million.
Must have him mistaken.... There was a player who we signed and the disclosed fee was about £600k but he only played a couple of times before injury forced him to retire.... I'm sure it came out that we had only paid £150k and that all the insurance company would pay out
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Thought he along with Gil were the only positives today .
Give it a few weeks under Lambert and they will be as hopeless as the rest of them.
Yup .
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Announcing a record signing that actually cost a quarter of what you said he did? That's believable.
Didn't we do the same with Ivo Stas??
No; he only cost about £250k when our record was £1.5 million.
Must have him mistaken.... There was a player who we signed and the disclosed fee was about £600k but he only played a couple of times before injury forced him to retire.... I'm sure it came out that we had only paid £150k and that all the insurance company would pay out
Neale Cooper?
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Giving a player on loan the famous number 9 shirt is quite depressing to say the least.
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It's not like we can give it to a fucking goalscorer is it?!
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Announcing a record signing that actually cost a quarter of what you said he did? That's believable.
Didn't we do the same with Ivo Stas??
No; he only cost about £250k when our record was £1.5 million.
Must have him mistaken.... There was a player who we signed and the disclosed fee was about £600k but he only played a couple of times before injury forced him to retire.... I'm sure it came out that we had only paid £150k and that all the insurance company would pay out
Neale Cooper?
Nah, defo someone off the continent...though my memory is shite at the best of times!
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I thought he did ok, he was a lot quicker than I thought and very direct. The age old problem though of the midfeild not making runs didn't help.
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Giving a player on loan the famous number 9 shirt is quite depressing to say the least.
It has none of the cache of old to be fair. Angel or Dublin are probably the last players to have worn it with any distinction. He can't possibly be any less of a ridiculous Number 9 than Stephen Ireland. Well, let's hope not.
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Giving a player on loan the famous number 9 shirt is quite depressing to say the least.
It has none of the cache of old to be fair. Angel or Dublin are probably the last players to have worn it with any distinction. He can't possibly be any less of a ridiculous Number 9 than Stephen Ireland. Well, let's hope not.
Agreed, it is sadly losing significance. In years to come our descendants will be talking about the famous No 84 shirt.
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Announcing a record signing that actually cost a quarter of what you said he did? That's believable.
Didn't we do the same with Ivo Stas??
No; he only cost about £250k when our record was £1.5 million.
Must have him mistaken.... There was a player who we signed and the disclosed fee was about £600k but he only played a couple of times before injury forced him to retire.... I'm sure it came out that we had only paid £150k and that all the insurance company would pay out
Neale Cooper?
Nah, defo someone off the continent...though my memory is shite at the best of times!
Luc Nilis?
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Nilis was a free transfer.
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Giving a player on loan the famous number 9 shirt is quite depressing to say the least.
It has none of the cache of old to be fair. Angel or Dublin are probably the last players to have worn it with any distinction. He can't possibly be any less of a ridiculous Number 9 than Stephen Ireland. Well, let's hope not.
Yeah that's true.
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Scott Sinclair says he's desperate to strike up a "special relationship" with the claret and blue army - as he gets set for his home debut against Chelsea.
Sinclair insists he has a "big hunger" to impress his new supporters and give them something to cheer about with his performances on the pitch.
He told us: "I can't wait to get out there at Villa Park and play for the fans. That's what every player wants to do - go out and endear himself to a new set of supporters when they join.
"For me, it's about being part of something here. If you're not playing - as I wasn't at Man City - it can sometimes feel like you're not part of something.
"I feel so happy coming here. It's a new challenge for me and I'm looking forward to it.
"The hunger inside me is huge. I want to create a special relationship with the Villa fans as soon as possible. That's my aim.
"I remember playing here at Villa Park when I was at Swansea and I thought 'the fans are amazing.'
"Once they get behind the players, the stadium gets rocking. I want to experience that first-hand as a Villa player."
Next up for Villa, in a quirk of fate for Sinclair, is his former club Chelsea.
He expects a tough battle with the Barclays Premier League leaders.
He added: "They look strong. But every game is tough for every team no matter who you are.
"No-one can predict who will win any match.
"Man City lost to Middlesbrough in the FA Cup and Chelsea lost to Bradford. No-one would have called those two results.
"But for us, it's about getting that confidence up and getting that buzz in the crowd."
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He did look pretty lively on Sunday when coming on. If he is fit enough I wouldn't mind us giving him a start tomorrow it is against one of his former clubs of course.
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I'd start him tomorrow he actually offered us some pace, which we have been badly missing.
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I think Sinclair is going to be a big player for us over the next few months. He's looking lively and carries none of the hangover from the previous regime. Ditto Gil.
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He strikes me as a Sherwood player.
Pretty sure that he'll be with us for a few years to come.
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I can see Sherwood starting him right up top alongside Benteke if he is willing to run in behind like he did when he came on today.
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How much would he likely cost? And is he our first ever Great Britain international?
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How much would he likely cost? And is he our first ever Great Britain international?
Isn't it meant to be like £2.5m?
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That's not bad. I assume he'd be on about a trillion a week Man City-type wages though? Anyway, I'll not get too carried away, he's only had a good twenty minutes!
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It's his salary that will be the problem - I think he's on something like £80k a week, which would make him probably our highest paid player if we gave him that.
For us to pay him that much, he'd pretty much have to a 20 goal a season player, or a player who changes games consistently; I don't think he's of that standard.
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is he our first ever Great Britain international?
No. Tom Cleverley.
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I think he's on something like £80k a week, which would make him probably our highest paid player if we gave him that.
a) He isn't
b) We wouldn't
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Ok, it's the Daily Mail. He's going to be a daddy, he and Helen have been house hunting in Birmingham.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960272/In-nesting-phase-Pregnant-Helen-Flanagan-covers-growing-baby-bump-goes-house-hunting-boyfriend-Scott-Sinclair.html
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Ok, it's the Daily Mail. He's going to be a daddy, he and Helen have been house hunting in Birmingham.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960272/In-nesting-phase-Pregnant-Helen-Flanagan-covers-growing-baby-bump-goes-house-hunting-boyfriend-Scott-Sinclair.html
They also refer to Lorna Languages from the club, shown in a few of those photos, as "an estate agent".
Would it even be worth renting somewhere for what could be just three months?
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I reckon he might like it here and stay. Maybe he's buying if he thinks he wants to stay.
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Was he commuting from Cheshire when he was at West Brom all last season then?
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I reckon he might like it here and stay. Maybe he's buying if he thinks he wants to stay.
But that would assume we knew we wanted him to. And we've also just changed manager.
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I reckon he might like it here and stay. Maybe he's buying if he thinks he wants to stay.
But that would assume we knew we wanted him to. And we've also just changed manager.
I just think he'll enjoy his football under Sherwood. I don't think he'd have stuck around under TSM2 whether we stayed up or not. And I think at the right price which can't be anything crazy for him Sherwood might want him to. Attitude will be everything. Everything's hypothetical off course, but just trying to rationalise why he is looking for a permanent spot, why would he be?
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That's what I am wondering. You're right, he might enjoy his football etc etc but he's on loan, for three months, and was brought in by a manager since given the hoof.
And then again, these are the same things we've said about lots of players who have failed.
I wonder if it is a loan-to-permanent arrangement.
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I didn't realise that Sinclair had also been on loan to Blues and Albion; so he's another one to add to that list who have played for all 3 clubs.
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Ok, it's the Daily Mail. He's going to be a daddy, he and Helen have been house hunting in Birmingham.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960272/In-nesting-phase-Pregnant-Helen-Flanagan-covers-growing-baby-bump-goes-house-hunting-boyfriend-Scott-Sinclair.html
They also refer to Lorna Languages from the club, shown in a few of those photos, as "an estate agent".
Would it even be worth renting somewhere for what could be just three months?
"Lorna Languages"...
love it paulie!
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Ok, it's the Daily Mail. He's going to be a daddy, he and Helen have been house hunting in Birmingham.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960272/In-nesting-phase-Pregnant-Helen-Flanagan-covers-growing-baby-bump-goes-house-hunting-boyfriend-Scott-Sinclair.html
They also refer to Lorna Languages from the club, shown in a few of those photos, as "an estate agent".
Would it even be worth renting somewhere for what could be just three months?
I wonder if the club provides temporary housing for players on loan with a family and gives them a choice? Once when I moved for a big corp they did that for me.
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Ok, it's the Daily Mail. He's going to be a daddy, he and Helen have been house hunting in Birmingham.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960272/In-nesting-phase-Pregnant-Helen-Flanagan-covers-growing-baby-bump-goes-house-hunting-boyfriend-Scott-Sinclair.html
They also refer to Lorna Languages from the club, shown in a few of those photos, as "an estate agent".
Would it even be worth renting somewhere for what could be just three months?
I wonder if the club provides temporary housing for players on loan with a family and gives them a choice? Once when I moved for a big corp they did that for me.
I am led to believe they do.
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Ok, it's the Daily Mail. He's going to be a daddy, he and Helen have been house hunting in Birmingham.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960272/In-nesting-phase-Pregnant-Helen-Flanagan-covers-growing-baby-bump-goes-house-hunting-boyfriend-Scott-Sinclair.html
They also refer to Lorna Languages from the club, shown in a few of those photos, as "an estate agent".
Would it even be worth renting somewhere for what could be just three months?
I wonder if the club provides temporary housing for players on loan with a family and gives them a choice? Once when I moved for a big corp they did that for me.
I am led to believe they do.
Didn't Bazz-formerly-of-this-parish say that he used to live in the same block where the club had a few flats that they put new signings in until they got settled? I remember various "meeting Carlton Cole in the lift after he'd been shit" type anecdotes.
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How long is left on his Ci£y contract ?
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Ok, it's the Daily Mail. He's going to be a daddy, he and Helen have been house hunting in Birmingham.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960272/In-nesting-phase-Pregnant-Helen-Flanagan-covers-growing-baby-bump-goes-house-hunting-boyfriend-Scott-Sinclair.html
They also refer to Lorna Languages from the club, shown in a few of those photos, as "an estate agent".
Would it even be worth renting somewhere for what could be just three months?
I wonder if the club provides temporary housing for players on loan with a family and gives them a choice? Once when I moved for a big corp they did that for me.
I am led to believe they do.
Didn't Bazz-formerly-of-this-parish say that he used to live in the same block where the club had a few flats that they put new signings in until they got settled? I remember various "meeting Carlton Cole in the lift after he'd been shit" type anecdotes.
That was in London. Cole was basically a neighbour where he was put up.
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With his money he could buy and then rent out or sell a nice house for a couple of months convenience as easy as I could buy an old car for a couple of hundred quid to get me around for a few months. When I was a kid and Small Heath trained at Elmdon my aunt's house in Olton backed onto some flats (Ulverley Court I think) and the club owned a couple for new signings.
Then they had to flog the flats.
Then they had to flog the training ground.
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is he our first ever Great Britain international?
No. Tom Cleverley.
Ah, silly me! I'm always forgetting Cleverley plays for us.
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I hope Scott gets to play against the Tesco's in the upcoming two games. I imagine he will enjoy proving a point to that useless lot.
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Played well today I thought, always threatening and an excellent header for our goal. One of the few bright spots.
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Played well today I thought, always threatening and an excellent header for our goal. One of the few bright spots.
Indeed.
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I wonder if the club provides temporary housing for players on loan with a family and gives them a choice? Once when I moved for a big corp they did that for me.
I saw him and his other half at The Belfry yesterday, according to my sister he was also there on Saturday night. Wouldn't be surprised if the club have a link with the hotel for putting up new signings / loan players etc, would be convenient for training at least.
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Played well today I thought, always threatening and an excellent header for our goal. One of the few bright spots.
Indeed.
He was good in the first half and used well however it disappeared of the scene in the secong along with a few others.
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They should have given him the ball more often -he certainly looked good with it.
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3 goals since he joined the club, could have been more. He has looked lively and so much like the player he was promising to be before his move to Man City. Sign him is my only suggestion.
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3 goals since he joined the club, could have been more. He has looked lively and so much like the player he was promising to be before his move to Man City. Sign him is my only suggestion.
All three goals under Sherwood, and Cleverley, (also mentioned above as "not playing for us), is playing better as well. I might have to deduce that Sherwood has something about him. (Or at least is 10x better the Lambert ended up like).
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3 goals since he joined the club, could have been more. He has looked lively and so much like the player he was promising to be before his move to Man City. Sign him is my only suggestion.
All three goals under Sherwood, and Cleverley, (also mentioned above as "not playing for us), is playing better as well. I might have to deduce that Sherwood has something about him. (Or at least is 10x better the Lambert ended up like).
maybe a little bit generous to give him the first under Sherwood, but your point is still very valid. The midfield are so much more involved now.
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To be fair to him he's trying to take his opportunity.
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I like Sinclair. It's nice having a direct winger running at people. He's getting goals too, and chances in addition too. I think there's also more to come from him the more game time he gets.
With Grealish, Gil, and Zogbia and Agbonlahor both finding a bit of form (finally), we've actually got options.
I'd be looking to sign Sinclair in the summer. He's a player who can help us kick on. Cleverley is starting to look decent now too.
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Been impressed by this boy and to be truthful he needs to fulfil his potential.
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Bloody good goal that. I still can't figure out why the west broom defence didnt close him down, was he too good or they just too lazy?
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Sherwood getting the midfield involved really takes the pressure off the forwards. All of them look different players to the Lambert version. Apart from Sinclair I thought Cleverely worked his bollocks off again.
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I've been most impressed by N'Zogbia. In as much as I honestly didn't think he had it in him any more. He was one of the brighter in the first half, and improved in the second half. Plus he actually worked hard. I thought Zogbia had possibly his best game for us.
In the end we've gone into a game without Benteke. Where-as under Lambert I'd have written us off right then and there, today we did well. It's also pleasing to see that Sherwood can have a half time impact.
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I thought he was going to fail to be honest with you but fair do's to him, he was the only player who wanted to actually take the ball forward. Good composed finish....I'll take you for the £3 million that was suggested.
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Didn't want him, thought he'd hardly played much in two seasons and was just seeing out his playing career but boy has he proved me wrong.
He needs to be signed for the simple reason he's a goalscorer, 3 in what 5 games and obviously in our squad when we're not flowing with people who can score regularly that sticks out.
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Have we got a buy out option on Sinclair?
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Yes for about 2.5 million which watching him would be a real snip.
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Have we got a buy out option on Sinclair?
I believe that was part of the loan agreement. He seems to have found a place he can enjoy playing at again. And what's funnier is that he was with the bitters last season and did less than fuck all. Must be another kick in the balls after what has already been a shit week to Sinclair run them ragged tonight.
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Yes for about 2.5 million which watching him would be a real snip.
Right now Cleverley on a free and Sinclair for that would be astonishing business.
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If there's not a buy clause, I wonder if we could negotiate City to subsidise his wages if we give them a transfer fee.
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You know I would agree. Sherwood clearly seems to have said to Cleverley give me 70 minutes at full tilt and set the tone for pressing. Fair play to him, and with Sherwood you can see him wanting to stay put.
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Helen Flanagan is obviously getting on better shopping at the Bull Ring than she was at the Jeff Astle Retail Park.
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Yes for about 2.5 million which watching him would be a real snip.
Right now Cleverley on a free and Sinclair for that would be astonishing business.
Totally agree. Just shows you what a more positive Manager can do for a player, good to see TC getting warm applaus when he went off.
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First half watching him i just kept thinking 'run forrest, run' such was his gormless running down blind alleys, but second half he was excellent, scored a priceless goal and showed that he has the potential to have a real future here. Well played.
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2.5 for Sinclair? In todays world of exuberant fees and wages that would be a bargain if he maintains his form.
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Yeah Cleverley played well too once he settled after the first 20 mins or so. Again on that evidence i'd try to get him permanently, but would want to see a bit more yet considering how shit he was under Lambert.
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Scott Sinclair was great at Swansea, and will be great for us under TS. Sign him up, fast. To think, he's still only 25!
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I thought he looked decent in the first half, even when the rest of the team looked awful, but he was very impressive in the second.
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I thought he looked decent in the first half, even when the rest of the team looked awful, but he was very impressive in the second.
He got more confident as the half went on, and especially that little run right before the break. He looked a threat throughout the second half and thoroughly deserved his goal.
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Yeah Cleverley played well too once he settled after the first 20 mins or so. Again on that evidence i'd try to get him permanently, but would want to see a bit more yet considering how shit he was under Lambert.
Depends on wages etc for me. If he's going to be demanding a big salary, I think we could possibly do better,even though he has played well in the last two games. We need more goals from midfield and I'd rather look at bringing someone like that in than signing Cleverley if we are going to be looking at paying big money.
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3 goals since he joined the club, could have been more. He has looked lively and so much like the player he was promising to be before his move to Man City. Sign him is my only suggestion.
All three goals under Sherwood, and Cleverley, (also mentioned above as "not playing for us), is playing better as well. I might have to deduce that Sherwood has something about him. (Or at least is 10x better the Lambert ended up like).
maybe a little bit generous to give him the first under Sherwood, but your point is still very valid. The midfield are so much more involved now.
I know, but TS did go into the dressing room at half time during the Leicester match and got a similar reaction to this one which lead to his first goal, (albeit a very lucky one). I just hope we can start playing well for longer the 45 mins as time goes on.
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Lambert's issue wasn't signing good players; it was getting them to perform. Fortunately we've got some players beginning to play well and express themselves now and hopefully Sinclair can keep it up if he signs for us.
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Sign him up I say
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He's a class act when he's on form, that goal was brilliant. I thought he made the wrong choice turning the defender. If he plays like that regularly it's going to be exciting. What s difference having a winger with pace and tricks and an eye for goal. Sign him up please Sherwood.
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I actually thought second half he played much more as a striker, and looked much more threatening for it.
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3 goals in 5 is an excellent return. Give him a proper extended run and you can start adding assists to that tally. His first goal was a bit jammy but the positioning was very good. His header and goal yesterday were both quite superb. He seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and it is showing in his play.
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Another strong performance yesterday. Can see him getting a few goals and assists before the end of the season. Would like to see us sign him long term during the summer. Just the kind of player we need :)
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I'd sign him up now, get the deal in place.
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I'd sign him up now, get the deal in place.
Same here. We've got a manager in place who will let players express themselves in the final third. If Cleverley keeps his form up in the next few weeks I would also be getting onto his agent and trying to get him to sign with us in the summer. He suddenly is looking like a proper player. Plus he appears to just have a lot more gumption about him now. He's going into challenges, he's showing more aggression and he's not hiding in games.
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I'd sign him up now, get the deal in place.
Same here. We've got a manager in place who will let players express themselves in the final third. If Cleverley keeps his form up in the next few weeks I would also be getting onto his agent and trying to get him to sign with us in the summer. He suddenly is looking like a proper player. Plus he appears to just have a lot more gumption about him now. He's going into challenges, he's showing more aggression and he's not hiding in games.
Agree
Get your cheque book ready, Randy
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If you watch the first goal again - Sinclair made a run which took the full-back out, creating space for Delph fire home. Great play. MOM for me.
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The loan deal for Sinclair included an option to make it permanent in the summer, with the fee agreed.
Cleverley's improved but there was discussion that we would have to pay £7m for him. In which case, there's got to be better options for the same money.
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Sign him now! We've missed someone like him for so long. If we can and keep and get the best out of Benteke that's got to be a pairing made in heaven.
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The loan deal for Sinclair included an option to make it permanent in the summer, with the fee agreed.
Cleverley's improved but there was discussion that we would have to pay £7m for him. In which case, there's got to be better options for the same money.
I think the 7 mill fee was an option for January. I'm pretty sure he's going to be out of contract this summer. So on a free we should be looking, particularly as I suspect the budget still won't be huge.
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He was superb. When he signed I asked an Albion mate what he was like and he replied "Absolute shite, good luck with him". Of course, as soon as the goal went in I messaged him to say "Albion Reject". :)
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I'd sign him up now, get the deal in place.
Same here. We've got a manager in place who will let players express themselves in the final third. If Cleverley keeps his form up in the next few weeks I would also be getting onto his agent and trying to get him to sign with us in the summer. He suddenly is looking like a proper player. Plus he appears to just have a lot more gumption about him now. He's going into challenges, he's showing more aggression and he's not hiding in games.
You'd like to think that someone like Cleverley has the gumption to realise he is not good enough to make it with a top 4 club and that this is the best chance he is going to get outside of that to really shine for a big team at the next level down. He could really become a big star and get noticed again for the right reasons if that sinks in
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He was superb. When he signed I asked an Albion mate what he was like and he replied "Absolute shite, good luck with him". Of course, as soon as the goal went in I messaged him to say "Albion Reject". :)
Surely we ought to reserve judgement? He had a great game but we need to see that repeatedly. And it was against not exactly the best.
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I'd sign him up now, get the deal in place.
Same here. We've got a manager in place who will let players express themselves in the final third. If Cleverley keeps his form up in the next few weeks I would also be getting onto his agent and trying to get him to sign with us in the summer. He suddenly is looking like a proper player. Plus he appears to just have a lot more gumption about him now. He's going into challenges, he's showing more aggression and he's not hiding in games.
You'd like to think that someone like Cleverley has the gumption to realise he is not good enough to make it with a top 4 club and that this is the best chance he is going to get outside of that to really shine for a big team at the next level down. He could really become a big star and get noticed again for the right reasons if that sinks in
He's about what? 22? he's played for Man U and England. Of course he thinks he's good enough to play for a top 4 club again and will back himself to make it. Under Lambert he was barely a Championship player. So far under Sherwood he has looked a decent Prem player.
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I'd sign him up now, get the deal in place.
Same here. We've got a manager in place who will let players express themselves in the final third. If Cleverley keeps his form up in the next few weeks I would also be getting onto his agent and trying to get him to sign with us in the summer. He suddenly is looking like a proper player. Plus he appears to just have a lot more gumption about him now. He's going into challenges, he's showing more aggression and he's not hiding in games.
You'd like to think that someone like Cleverley has the gumption to realise he is not good enough to make it with a top 4 club and that this is the best chance he is going to get outside of that to really shine for a big team at the next level down. He could really become a big star and get noticed again for the right reasons if that sinks in
He's about what? 22? he's played for Man U and England. Of course he thinks he's good enough to play for a top 4 club again and will back himself to make it. Under Lambert he was barely a Championship player. So far under Sherwood he has looked a decent Prem player.
25.
I'll hold my hand up and admit I was wrong on Sinclair, I expected him to have the half-arsed attitude he did at the Baggies but he seems to have realised that he can't afford to mess this chance up and really approached things with the right attitude, seems to be enjoying playing so I reckon he'd be very interested in staying long term and it's definitely the right thing to do if the £2.5m price is correct.
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Cleverley's 25? Or Sinclair? I was talking about Cleverley.
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Cleverley's 25? Or Sinclair? I was talking about Cleverley.
Yep, Clerverley, was in the same U21 side as Albrighton.
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Conveniently for you, they're both 25 :)
I'm a little surprised about Sinclair being that age though - been around for ages it seems, plus wasting his last two and a half seasons doing very little.
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Cleverley's 25? Or Sinclair? I was talking about Cleverley.
They're both 25
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Who's 22 then? Wasn't somebody only 22 that played on saturday?
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I'm starting to sound like an old idiot now (yes, yes...)
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Oh, and apologies to all the other old idiots on here, no offence meant.
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Who's 22 then? Wasn't somebody only 22 that played on saturday?
Okore.
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Ah. that'd be it.
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The last couple of pages have been classic...............
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/StatlerandWaldorf(2).JPG)
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I'd sign him up now, get the deal in place.
Same here. We've got a manager in place who will let players express themselves in the final third. If Cleverley keeps his form up in the next few weeks I would also be getting onto his agent and trying to get him to sign with us in the summer. He suddenly is looking like a proper player. Plus he appears to just have a lot more gumption about him now. He's going into challenges, he's showing more aggression and he's not hiding in games.
You'd like to think that someone like Cleverley has the gumption to realise he is not good enough to make it with a top 4 club and that this is the best chance he is going to get outside of that to really shine for a big team at the next level down. He could really become a big star and get noticed again for the right reasons if that sinks in
He's about what? 22? he's played for Man U and England. Of course he thinks he's good enough to play for a top 4 club again and will back himself to make it. Under Lambert he was barely a Championship player. So far under Sherwood he has looked a decent Prem player.
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I'll hold my hand up and admit I was wrong on Sinclair, I expected him to have the half-arsed attitude he did at the Baggies but he seems to have realised that he can't afford to mess this chance up and really approached things with the right attitude, seems to be enjoying playing so I reckon he'd be very interested in staying long term and it's definitely the right thing to do if the £2.5m price is correct.
you wonder if starting a family, needing to settle down is a lot more important to him now. Take away the celebrity, and he'll be a dad like lots of us on here, and you know that moving around and being settled isn't exactly the best set for a new kid or mum for that matter. To me he looks happy and it's starting to show in his game. Sometimes people need to enter a new phase of life for a sense of maturity to kick in.
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Maybe he knows that this is his last chance - his last four months in the Premier League before his career heads towards Blackburn, Huddersfield and Oldham, or a four year contract with us.
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Sinclair's talent has never been in question but always the danger he could slip back into cruise mode. Definitely think we should wait a bit longer before handing out a four year contract. He didn't show up in two critical away games against Hull and Newcastle but was our best attacker at the weekend in fairness to him.
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He will be an absolute bargain at £2m. The kid knows he made the wrong decision, has wasted at least 2 years of a short career and wants to make up for it. As for him having a bad attitude at the Albion, if I'd have been told I was doing a 12 month stretch in West Brom I'd be sulking like a baby too.
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Sinclair's talent has never been in question but always the danger he could slip back into cruise mode. Definitely think we should wait a bit longer before handing out a four year contract. He didn't show up in two critical away games against Hull and Newcastle but was our best attacker at the weekend in fairness to him.
Agreed, definitely need to see more before commiting. Love his attitude and think he can only improve. Not wishing to take anything away from his performance on Saturday but he was up against a dodgy centre half trying to play full back.
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He will be an absolute bargain at £2m. The kid knows he made the wrong decision, has wasted at least 2 years of a short career and wants to make up for it. As for him having a bad attitude at the Albion, if I'd have been told I was doing a 12 month stretch in West Brom I'd be sulking like a baby too.
Exactly.
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He will be an absolute bargain at £2m. The kid knows he made the wrong decision, has wasted at least 2 years of a short career and wants to make up for it. As for him having a bad attitude at the Albion, if I'd have been told I was doing a 12 month stretch in West Brom I'd be sulking like a baby too.
Exactly.
Indeed. Every players ambition when signing for the Albion is to leave at the earliest possible opportunity.
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He will be an absolute bargain at £2m. The kid knows he made the wrong decision, has wasted at least 2 years of a short career and wants to make up for it. As for him having a bad attitude at the Albion, if I'd have been told I was doing a 12 month stretch in West Brom I'd be sulking like a baby too.
Exactly.
Indeed. Every players ambition when signing for the Albion is to leave at the earliest possible opportunity.
It even looks like somewhere you'd do a stretch.
(http://www.wba.co.uk/cms_images/news/hawthorns2-a151-238394_478x359.jpg)
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Scott Sinclair will probably never score a scruffier goal than his first effort in claret and blue.
Nevertheless, the 25-year-old admits his match-winning strike in the FA Cup fifth round victory over Leicester may prove to be a pivotal moment in his career.
Time stood still for Sinclair as he watched his angled drive trickle through the arms of Mark Schwarzer, bringing to an end a personal drought dating back to August 2012.
Hardly vintage stuff, but it provided the on-loan Manchester City winger with a much-needed shot in the arm.
Six days later against Stoke City, he glanced home Fabian Delph's cross for his second goal in as many games.
And then he bagged the decisive second - and his third - this weekend against the Baggies to seal a Wembley date for the claret and blues.
Perhaps, then, that slice of luck against the Foxes could have triggered a change in fortunes for a man who has spent the best part of three seasons in the doldrums.
"Sometimes that is what you need - a little bit of luck," said Sinclair.
"It is the same for the team as well, that's what we needed.
"For me personally it was great that the goal went in but also it helped to lift everyone else.
"I was able to kick on and score another goal and then another and hopefully I can do it again, keep improving my game and move forward."
Three strikes in seven appearances has proved Sinclair has finally found his feet following a tumultuous first fortnight in B6.
Three straight defeats plus the departure of Paul Lambert - the man who brought him to the club - made for a less than ideal start for the England U21 and Great Britain international.
That cycle of events, though, has further fuelled Sinclair's desire to prove himself.
After all, he recently described himself as "the most frustrated footballer in the country" having spent so long in the wilderness at Eastlands.
"As a player you've just got to get on with it," he continued.
"It's great now that I can work with the new manager, try my best to do as well as I can and score and create some goals.
"I haven't been this hungry to play football for a long time - since I was a kid probably - because it's been so long since I've had a run of games.
"I am confident in my ability to score and create goals. It is just about playing games and being settled.
"My last start back at Manchester City was over a year ago.
"For me it is all about playing games and when I do that I've just got to perform."
Having worked under revered coaches such as Jose Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti and Brendan Rodgers, Sinclair now hopes to flourish under one of the game's brightest up-and-coming bosses in Tim Sherwood.
The new Villa chief's tendency to deploy two out-and-out wingers suggests Sinclair could play an integral role during the final few months of the campaign.
"He's definitely lifted things," said Sinclair.
"He has lifted training as well. The intensity has gone up dramatically and everyone is fighting for places as well.
"Hopefully we can just kick on now.
"I am obviously here to score and create goals so hopefully I'll be able to continue to do that.
"But the main thing is us winning games and if I can contribute then that's great."
While plenty was made of Sinclair's stagnation at Man City, the Bath-born wideman has racked up an impressive CV since making his professional debut for Bristol Rovers as a 15-year-old.
As well as representing two European powerhouses in Chelsea and City, he had a huge hand in Swansea's transformation from Championship also-rans to Premier League entertainers during a successful two-year stay in South Wales.
However, one of the proudest moments of Sinclair's career came at London 2012 when he was able to share the limelight with his inspirational brother.
While Scott featured in Stuart Pearce's squad for the Olympic Games, older sibling Martin represented Team GB's cerebral palsy football side in the Paralympics.
"It was special moment for me and my brother to be there," Sinclair added.
"Especially my brother - he's been through so much.
"Him doing that after going through all of the operations and bits and pieces that he's done, I think it is amazing.
"He is a great inspiration to me. It is just great to see my brother being happy and playing football.
"He still plays for England CP team. They train at Lilleshall. I try and get to see him play when I can."
Having shared the stage with Martin, Villa's newest recruit would love to do the same with another member of the Sinclair clan in the near future.
Younger brother Jake currently plies his trade in Southampton's development squad and Scott is excited by the prospect of one day facing him in the Barclays Premier League.
"He's doing quite well," Sinclair revealed.
"He's 20 now. He's waiting for his time to come. Southampton are a great club so hopefully he'll get his chance sooner or later."
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Scott & Helen couldn't be happier - http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/pregnant-helen-flanagan-shows-blooming-5442839
Not my idea of maternity wear, probably an age thing.
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Her conclusion may have been what most women would have thought before even trying it but at least she got there in the end. When I saw her on that jungle programme she seemed a bit slow.
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what's happened to Scott - injured ??
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what's happened to Scott - injured ??
ignore that - Physio room says back 19/04
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Just reading the piece on him in the programme from Sunday, "It's great being at Villa-it feels like home".
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Just reading the piece on him in the programme from Sunday, "It's great being at Villa-it feels like home".
Presumably its the same interview that's quoted in the Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/21/scott-sinclair-permanent-aston-villa-transfer-manchester-city):
Scott Sinclair wants permanent Aston Villa transfer from Manchester City
• Sinclair has scored three goals in 10 games on loan at Villa
• ‘I feel at home at Villa, it’s a great club’
Scott Sinclair is ready to sign a permanent deal at Aston Villa. The Manchester City loanee wants to stay after his deal expires at the end of the season.
Sinclair joined Villa in January and has scored three goals in 10 games, including two in three matches during their run to the FA Cup final.
The 26-year-old played as a late substitute in Sunday’s 2-1 semi-final win over Liverpool to set up a meeting with Arsenal in the final.
Sinclair, who has yet to hold talks over his future, said. “I feel at home at Villa, it’s a great club. I’m sure at the end of the season we can sit down and I can sign.”
Sinclair is ineligible for Saturday’s trip to parent club City for whom he has started only three times since moving from Swansea in 2012.
He has become a key part of Villa’s midfield with Fabian Delph and believes the captain is becoming one of the Premier League’s most influential players.
Sinclair said: “I think when you are playing every week you go into a place where you get more confident and that’s what he’s done.
“He’s stayed here, signed a new contract and this is his home. He is performing every week and every week he is improving.”
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Just reading the piece on him in the programme from Sunday, "It's great being at Villa-it feels like home".
Presumably its the same interview that's quoted in the Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/21/scott-sinclair-permanent-aston-villa-transfer-manchester-city):
Scott Sinclair wants permanent Aston Villa transfer from Manchester City
• Sinclair has scored three goals in 10 games on loan at Villa
• ‘I feel at home at Villa, it’s a great club’
Scott Sinclair is ready to sign a permanent deal at Aston Villa. The Manchester City loanee wants to stay after his deal expires at the end of the season.
Sinclair joined Villa in January and has scored three goals in 10 games, including two in three matches during their run to the FA Cup final.
The 26-year-old played as a late substitute in Sunday’s 2-1 semi-final win over Liverpool to set up a meeting with Arsenal in the final.
Sinclair, who has yet to hold talks over his future, said. “I feel at home at Villa, it’s a great club. I’m sure at the end of the season we can sit down and I can sign.”
Sinclair is ineligible for Saturday’s trip to parent club City for whom he has started only three times since moving from Swansea in 2012.
He has become a key part of Villa’s midfield with Fabian Delph and believes the captain is becoming one of the Premier League’s most influential players.
Sinclair said: “I think when you are playing every week you go into a place where you get more confident and that’s what he’s done.
“He’s stayed here, signed a new contract and this is his home. He is performing every week and every week he is improving.”
Encouraging to hear. You could tell by the way the players celebrated after the final whistle on Sunday that there is a real togetherness in the squad.
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I can honestly say that I have no recollection of him coming on against Liverpool. Must have been nerves and all that.
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He came on for the last 15 minutes essentially to try and press their blokes at the back and be used on the counter, but we had stopped passing and gone into preservation mode by that point. He battled well though.
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We should definitely sign him.
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Is the £2.5m buy option on the loan deal I've seen on here somewhere for real? Looks like a bargain if so as he appear to be a very handy wide option. Seems like he's keen as well so hopefully he won't ask for his current wages to be matched!
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Is the £2.5m buy option on the loan deal I've seen on here somewhere for real? Looks like a bargain if so as he appear to be a very handy wide option. Seems like he's keen as well so hopefully he won't ask for his current wages to be matched!
It seems to be widely-enough reported to assume so I think - Sinclair for £2.5m would certainly be a much better option than Townsend for five times as much.
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Is the £2.5m buy option on the loan deal I've seen on here somewhere for real? Looks like a bargain if so as he appear to be a very handy wide option. Seems like he's keen as well so hopefully he won't ask for his current wages to be matched!
It seems to be widely-enough reported to assume so I think - Sinclair for £2.5m would certainly be a much better option than Townsend for five times as much.
Yeah and beats playing 2 strikers in the wide positions. Plus I don't see him being unhappy with not starting every game etc. the way his career has gone the last few years. Seems like a no-brainer.
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Is the £2.5m buy option on the loan deal I've seen on here somewhere for real? Looks like a bargain if so as he appear to be a very handy wide option. Seems like he's keen as well so hopefully he won't ask for his current wages to be matched!
Absolute snip. Seems to be enjoying himself so fingers crossed.
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Is the £2.5m buy option on the loan deal I've seen on here somewhere for real? Looks like a bargain if so as he appear to be a very handy wide option. Seems like he's keen as well so hopefully he won't ask for his current wages to be matched!
It seems to be widely-enough reported to assume so I think - Sinclair for £2.5m would certainly be a much better option than Townsend for five times as much.
Yeah and beats playing 2 strikers in the wide positions. Plus I don't see him being unhappy with not starting every game etc. the way his career has gone the last few years. Seems like a no-brainer.
He seems to be more comfortable on the left, which would leave us still needing a similar option on the right if we are to play with a front three.
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If he gets to play and gets a bit of confidence there is a quality player there. 2.5 mill would be a bargain. He's played well on the whole for us. He's fluffed a few chances but still has 3 goals in 10 games. He tends to get 2-3 chances per game if he starts. That's a good sign. If he builds up a little more composure he'll get plenty of goals.
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Most news feeds are carrying his wish to stay at Villa. Good.
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Is the £2.5m buy option on the loan deal I've seen on here somewhere for real? Looks like a bargain if so as he appear to be a very handy wide option. Seems like he's keen as well so hopefully he won't ask for his current wages to be matched!
It seems to be widely-enough reported to assume so I think - Sinclair for £2.5m would certainly be a much better option than Townsend for five times as much.
Yeah and beats playing 2 strikers in the wide positions. Plus I don't see him being unhappy with not starting every game etc. the way his career has gone the last few years. Seems like a no-brainer.
He seems to be more comfortable on the left, which would leave us still needing a similar option on the right if we are to play with a front three.
I think between Gabby, Grealish, N'zogbia, Bacuna and Gil we have enough options for a front three. Although I don't disagree another proper wide player would be good.
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And it would serve to make the bitters all the more bitter that he was a complete and utter waste for them. I mean why would anyone want to play for that lot anyway?
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I don't know what the right place is for posting things like these, especially with no summer rumours thread up, but the rags seem to be linking us with Bakary Sako as well, so if he and Sinclair come in...
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I don't know what the right place is for posting things like these, especially with no summer rumours thread up, but the rags seem to be linking us with Bakary Sako as well, so if he and Sinclair come in...
I think that'd be a good move. He'd have to work for his place of course but we'd be able to rotate Sinclair, Grealish, Zogbia, Sako and Gil in the wide areas. He may ultimately be a replacement for Zogbia who will be in his final year, or even Gil if TS decides he doesn't fit in with what he's trying to do here (which would be a shame).
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I think Sinclair has got something to offer.
If his head is "right" - something we'll have to trust Timbo to sort out - then for the sort of money being discussed, it is a no-brainer.
I know he did fuck all and looked disinterested at Albion, but you have to look at it from his perspective.
He'd gone from a club at the top end of the league to a pretty meaningless, small yoyo club who clearly will never be anything more than Premier League survivalists - it would have been a shock to the system.
Like eating dinner at Claridges one night, then the next day you're lunching on rats round the back of Aldi.
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It is interesting to see Scott and Helen already moved to the Midlands when the deal is not 100% permanent. But again I can't see any reason we will not buy him.
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Most news feeds are carrying his wish to stay at Villa. Good.
It seems like a few players now are starting to say how much they are enjoying life at Villa under Sherwood, it bodes well for the future of keeping our better players on longer contracts.
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Looks like we have signed him permanently- it was dependent on survival. Telegraph reporting.
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Yep being reported in a few places now. Not 100% confirmed, but now we are safe expect it to be made official in the next few days or so. Very good deal for £2.5m
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Great stuff, getting things done early.
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From the Telegraph:
Villa agreed a deal with City that would guarantee Sinclair’s loan move would become a prermanent transfer if they avoided relegation to the Championship.
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Fine by me.
I'd rather he were playing there over Gabby or Weimann.
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Has anyone ever seen him play on the right? Because he seems to me like an exclusively left-sided player, which means that he's probably up against Grealish, unless Grealish plays more centrally going forward.
Alternatively, he might be up front whenever we go two strikers.
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He's looked good at times, just hope these injury issues aren't going to be a regular issue.
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I would love to see him in the side alongside Benteke with Grealish in behind at home. His pace would add a fresh dimension. Or indeed have Grealish left and Sinclair right coming in.
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There's a quote out there from Sherwood how with Sinclair it's a horses for courses type of situation. Which is fair enough that if we do decide to go two wingers in games Sinclair would likely come in for those games or at least be a strong contender to start. I think he has the versatility to be more than a winger so maybe there's more to come in that regard. Also, Grealish won't play every game so we need solid back up and competition for every spot. Sinclair has a lot to offer and glad we will be forming this one up. Next Cleverley and then the big one, extending Benteke.
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Good news and a bargain to boot. He has a lot to prove after his Baggies/City wilderness years but in his few games for us he has shown that he's got the quality we need and a midfielder who knows how to score is always welcome. As others have mentioned here I'd like to see him lining up on the left with Jack central behind The Beast.
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Dunno if I am reading too much into Tims quotes. It sounds like he has to buy him, rather than wants to.
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It is interesting to see Scott and Helen already moved to the Midlands when the deal is not 100% permanent. But again I can't see any reason we will not buy him.
eastie!! Welcome back!
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Dunno if I am reading too much into Tims quotes. It sounds like he has to buy him, rather than wants to.
I refer you to my post on the previous page or above/below as may be the case!
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There's no official confirmation as far as I can see.
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Dunno if I am reading too much into Tims quotes. It sounds like he has to buy him, rather than wants to.
I refer you to my post on the previous page or above/below as may be the case!
The Telegraph article certainly does seem to put a pretty negative slant on it.
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It's a bit of an odd deal to do. But for me he's gonna cost the same as tonev did and he's already contributed a lot more
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It's a bit of an odd deal to do. But for me he's gonna cost the same as tonev did and he's already contributed a lot more
To be fair, you and I have contributed a lot more over the last couple of seasons than Tonev has.
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I think it makes sense, but I'd like Sherwood to view him as more than just a wide player. I think he would be pretty good playing up front with Benteke on occasion.
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I think it makes sense, but I'd like Sherwood to view him as more than just a wide player. I think he would be pretty good playing up front with Benteke on occasion.
This.
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Where's Tim's non-committal comments ?
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http://bit.ly/1EVtGzt
Signed permanantly, 4 year deal.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficial
SIGNING SEALED: @Scotty_Sinclair makes permanent Villa move. The full story: http://bit.ly/1EVtGzt #AVFC
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http://bit.ly/1EVtGzt
Signed permanantly, 4 year deal.
Good news. i think.
If we play two up top I would prefer Scott to be given a decent run instead of gabby
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Is there a fee or is this a Bosman?
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Rather surprising given his recent lack of action, but welcome nonetheless.
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Positive move. He's took his chance this far. Now lets see whether he can push on again.
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Good news, there's definitely potential in him and after what we were given under Lambert I'll take all the wingers we can get.
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Great news, pace, likes to attack and knows where the goal is.
Great bit of first business.
Be interesting if he could play alongside Tekkers.
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This is brilliant news. Very happy.
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Good signing.
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Very happy. He's had exactly the right attitude since he came to the club and he'll prove to be versatile and valuable when he plays.
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Happy with this...and good to see how happy he appears to be joining us properly. He obviously likes AVFC!
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Happy with this...and good to see how happy he appears to be joining us properly. He obviously likes AVFC!
Think he's matured a lot and now it's not just about money but actually playing football rather than being sat on a bench.
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Welcome Scotty 2 Hotty.
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Considering he's both pretty good and English 2.5million is a snip
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Not many better players will go for that sort of money this summer. Been very impressed when he had had his chances.
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Glad to have you on board Scotty.
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He doesn't hide his delight at being a Villa player on the OS. He probably also asked for the pen even faster when he heard T.Penis was considering a late move for him.
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Happy with that
I've not spotted a positive TS comment in relation to the signing which is unusual no . . . ?
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Cracking signing. His chances will come. We'll get injuries and drops in form and a need to switch styles every now and again. I think he'll be a bargain.
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Happy with that
I've not spotted a positive TS comment in relation to the signing which is unusual no . . . ?
Maybe they haven't got his comments yet or that it's not a huge deal. It's not like a new player joining so maybe it's not critical to get his thoughts on a player just firming up an agreement that was essentially put in place before he arrived.
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Really pleased with this one. We've needed another pacey forward other than Gabby for a while.
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I'm with most of you so far - I think he's a pretty decent player, and easily worth a punt at the price being reported. He's more effective on the wing than Agbonlahor or Weimann, I'd say.
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Think he will be a very good asset for 5 or 6 years, maybe longer.
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Chuffed.
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Not too bothered about this. Price is good though, hopefully this means we'll see less of Agbonlahor.
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Not too bothered about this. Price is good though, hopefully this means we'll see less of Agbonlahor.
Well that's surprised me *winky*
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I hope Real Madrid come for him in two years from now.
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Happy about this, welcome Scott
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Given we are his twelfth club, a four year contract is a bit risky in my opinion. Let's hope he means what he says and finally knuckles down and shows the football world the talent he undoubtedly possesses on a consistent basis.
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Didn't really expect it to be honest, wasn't 100% that Tim was keen on him but proves how much I know.
Still has to do more for me and become more involved in games but he's definitely an upgrade to what we have and that suits me fine. A good pre season behind him and we might of just robbed City blind.
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Given we are his twelfth club, a four year contract is a bit risky in my opinion. Let's hope he means what he says and finally knuckles down and shows the football world the talent he undoubtedly possesses on a consistent basis.
That's misleading though as 7 of them were on loan from Chelsea and Citeh, where it's hardly a shock a player doesn't become a regular considering the players they both had when he was there. So when you include his 2 appearances for his first club Bristol Rovers, there's 10 of them.
The one club he was at as a permanent signing and given a run was Swansea, where he was a massive hit.
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Didn't really expect it to be honest, wasn't 100% that Tim was keen on him but proves how much I know.
Still has to do more for me and become more involved in games but he's definitely an upgrade to what we have and that suits me fine. A good pre season behind him and we might of just robbed City blind.
Doesn't sound like Sherwood had any choice in the matter.
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For the mooted 2.5m I reckon that's good business
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Good. I have liked what I have seen from him.
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Didn't really expect it to be honest, wasn't 100% that Tim was keen on him but proves how much I know.
Still has to do more for me and become more involved in games but he's definitely an upgrade to what we have and that suits me fine. A good pre season behind him and we might of just robbed City blind.
Doesn't sound like Sherwood had any choice in the matter.
I really hope that this is not the case, cos TS isn't the sort to have people sticking their noses in where it's not wanted.
Should be Tim's call and Tim's call only.
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That's right usually but it seems like in this case the club had committed to the deal before Sherwood was appointed. At least if the reports are to believed. Either way, I imagine he isn't too disappointed to have a talented player added to the squad for next to nothing.
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£2.5M is peanuts in the PL.
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Still, be interesting to have TS's take on it.
I'm sure there will be some comment tomorrow.
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I wonder if his lack of appearances and the lack of warmth coming from Sherwood is anything to do with something happening at the training ground? Hopefully not.
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I wonder if his lack of appearances and the lack of warmth coming from Sherwood is anything to do with something happening at the training ground? Hopefully not.
Care to elaborate or are you trying to make out you know something other's don't?
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Quotes from telegraph
The deal to sign Sinclair was made before Sherwood’s appointment and the Villa manager has admitted he was unaware of the agreement. “I think there’s a discussion to be had at the end of the season. I’m not sure if it [a permanent deal] is cast in stone and I haven’t got confirmation of that,” he said.
“Is there a decision to make on him? Yeah. The injuries interrupted him but we have changed the style and the way we play a little bit. He’s been training, still a good lad, a good player. He hasn’t become a bad player or anything like that.
“I think if we go back to wide players then Scott will be an automatic choice to play there.”
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Not a glowing endorsement is it, i thought he played as though he had spent a long time away from the game, the money is peanuts though.
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For that money he is a bloody good signing. Next stop, Tom Cleverley.
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What i like about Cleverley is that he plays like he really wants to win, his last few weeks have been a revelation.
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Welcome Scott....do us proud.
UTV
The Doc
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Not a glowing endorsement is it, i thought he played as though he had spent a long time away from the game, the money is peanuts though.
I would totally agree with that statement with the following 3 exceptions.
1. Going forward we are not going to play with out and out wingers.
2. That money could of purchased somebody who TS believes would fit better and be used in squad rotation.
3. Maybe TS has seen something in training that he does not like.
I actually like his enthusiasm and pace, but then again I liked Gil as well !!!
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I think he'll come in and out of the team next season. Sherwood hasn't been afraid to put him in for the big games (Baggies cup game, sub for the semi final) so I would assume he is in his plans. I'm also pretty sure we'll sign Cleverley.
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Alarm bells are starting to ring for me.
When have you ever seen a new player brought in and no comments from the manager.
Ok, so he was already our on loan player, but even still.
Looking like this has been dealt without TS's input.
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The timing of it suggests to me like it was a buy clause which would trigger automatically upon securing safety, so if that's true, it wouldn't have anything to do with Sherwood anyway.
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Alarm bells are starting to ring for me.
When have you ever seen a new player brought in and no comments from the manager.
Ok, so he was already our on loan player, but even still.
Looking like this has been dealt without TS's input.
It's been pointed out several times above - in January, we agreed to make the transfer permanent as long as we avoided relegation. We have, so the agreement from January with Man City has now been ratified
There's nothing alarming about at all, we're just completing a transfer that we agreed to complete before he became manager.
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I do wonder what Scott thinks when he hears those comments though. It's basically Tim saying we have changed formation and therefore not going to play him much. I suppose he can at least make our bench unlike at Man City.
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I'm pleased he's signed.
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It's basically Tim saying we have changed formation and therefore not going to play him much.
He's no more or less of a (as-I-like-to-call-them) number ten than N'Zogbia is, yet that's where he's been playing for the last dozen or so matches.
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It's basically Tim saying we have changed formation and therefore not going to play him much.
He's no more or less of a (as-I-like-to-call-them) number ten than N'Zogbia is, yet that's where he's been playing for the last dozen or so matches.
You're right, and personally I hope he gets the chance to play there a bit more than N'Zogbia in the future. And Gabby.
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Agreed. One thing I like about him is that he seems really desperate to score. Not in a useless, Tonev type way but he seems really keen to get into the box and get into the right position.
He's got three goals in a dozen or so games (which makes him what, our third top scorer?). If you add in the two or three others which he really should have scored (Sunderland away springs to mind immediately) it's not hard to see him getting into double figures over a whole season.
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I hope Sherwood realises that he has more to him than just being a wide man. His goal scoring means I think he could play off a striker.
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He should be ahead of Zog & Gabby for sure, I'd welcome trying Grealish and Sinclair playing as two (as-I-like-to-call-them) number tens behind Benteknotronic on the left and right.
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I wonder if his lack of appearances and the lack of warmth coming from Sherwood is anything to do with something happening at the training ground? Hopefully not.
Care to elaborate or are you trying to make out you know something other's don't?
No. know nothing. i'm just wondering why Sherwood hasn't mentioned it. I personally don't think there's any issue at all but reading some posts and people are saying Sherwood didn't seem overly enthused (I haven't read or heard his comments). Maybe the deal made before Sherwood came in was if we stay up he signs permanently if not he goes back. maybe he thought that clause affected Sinclair. I have no idea.
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Agreed. One thing I like about him is that he seems really desperate to score. Not in a useless, Tonev type way but he seems really keen to get into the box and get into the right position.
He's got three goals in a dozen or so games (which makes him what, our third top scorer?). If you add in the two or three others which he really should have scored (Sunderland away springs to mind immediately) it's not hard to see him getting into double figures over a whole season.
I had completely forgotten about Tonev. Just had a quick look to see that he absolutely smashed it up in scotland.
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Sinclair as a #10? I'll pass. He's a winger or a striker. I'd like to see Gil and Grealish behind Sinclair and Benteke.
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Sinclair as a #10? I'll pass. He's a winger or a striker. I'd like to see Gil and Grealish behind Sinclair and Benteke.
Um, what kind of formation is that?
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Sinclair as a #10? I'll pass. He's a winger or a striker. I'd like to see Gil and Grealish behind Sinclair and Benteke.
Um, what kind of formation is that?
One that wins or loses every game 4-3.
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Sinclair as a #10? I'll pass. He's a winger or a striker. I'd like to see Gil and Grealish behind Sinclair and Benteke.
Um, what kind of formation is that?
A 4-2-2-2, just like Brazil 1982's setup. Mind you, I reckon Grealish/Gil has the beating of Socrates and Zico there.
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It John Barnes at Celtic . . !
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Sinclair as a #10? I'll pass. He's a winger or a striker. I'd like to see Gil and Grealish behind Sinclair and Benteke.
Um, what kind of formation is that?
One that wins or loses every game 4-3.
Like a Sherwood team then?
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Surely Gil, Grealish and Sinclair behind Benteke in a 4-2-3-1? It's pretty physically unimposing, sure, but at least it's logical.
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Sinclair as a #10? I'll pass. He's a winger or a striker. I'd like to see Gil and Grealish behind Sinclair and Benteke.
Um, what kind of formation is that?
One that wins or loses every game 4-3.
Like a Sherwood team then?
Have we won or lost every game 4-3?
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Sinclair as a #10? I'll pass. He's a winger or a striker. I'd like to see Gil and Grealish behind Sinclair and Benteke.
Um, what kind of formation is that?
One that wins or loses every game 4-3.
Like a Sherwood team then?
No, more like a team that would score loads of goals but also concede tons because there would be no-one in midfield who can defend.
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Surely Gil, Grealish and Sinclair behind Benteke in a 4-2-3-1? It's pretty physically unimposing, sure, but at least it's logical.
I'd like to try Sinclair up front, but yeah, playing those three together would give us the option of changing formation without using a sub as they can all play wide or as a #10.
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Surely Gil, Grealish and Sinclair behind Benteke in a 4-2-3-1? It's pretty physically unimposing, sure, but at least it's logical.
I'd like to try Sinclair up front, but yeah, playing those three together would give us the option of changing formation without using a sub as they can all play wide or as a #10.
So who'd be your "2"?
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From the Telegraph:
Villa agreed a deal with City that would guarantee Sinclair’s loan move would become a prermanent transfer if they avoided relegation to the Championship.
It's a good example of how to do this sort of deal well.
Now that they are staying up, Sunderland are obliged to sign Ricardo Alvarez from Inter for €11m. He's played five matches for them this season.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4736762,00.html
And finally a good word from TS.
I'm glad something was said today, he has been a good player since he arrived.
He will bag a few goals next season, and already moved into the area.
Good luck Scott, you could be a big player for the Villa
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4736762,00.html
And finally a good word from TS.
I'm glad something was said today, he has been a good player since he arrived.
'Finally' - it's only been 3 days! Today was the day he was scheduled to talk to the press.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4736762,00.html
And finally a good word from TS.
I'm glad something was said today, he has been a good player since he arrived.
'Finally' - it's only been 3 days! Today was the day he was scheduled to talk to the press.
I know, it's good job the press conference wasn't tomorrow then it would have been a whole 4 days, and that would't do at all.
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I remember when we'd sign a player and the manager would more often than not, say sod all about it.
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Plenty of positivity in Sherwood's words today.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4736762,00.html
And finally a good word from TS.
I'm glad something was said today, he has been a good player since he arrived.
'Finally' - it's only been 3 days! Today was the day he was scheduled to talk to the press.
I know, it's good job the press conference wasn't tomorrow then it would have been a whole 4 days, and that would't do at all.
Really disappointed by Sherwood's comments. He has ruined a perfectly good conspiracy theory.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4736762,00.html
And finally a good word from TS.
I'm glad something was said today, he has been a good player since he arrived.
'Finally' - it's only been 3 days! Today was the day he was scheduled to talk to the press.
I know, it's good job the press conference wasn't tomorrow then it would have been a whole 4 days, and that would't do at all.
Really disappointed by Sherwood's comments. He has ruined a perfectly good conspiracy theory.
Do we know it is really him saying it? Could be a false flag.
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Did he not say he is really shit? That's what I anticipated.
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Did he not say he is really shit? That's what I anticipated.
You misheard, he said he is the shit.
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Did he not say he is really shit? That's what I anticipated.
You misheard, he said he is the shit.
Ahhhhh. Like 'the Aston Villa'. I forget this 'the' malarkey.
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Scot Sinclair will get the most goals for villa this season. The guy has the quality and finishing instinct to play up top or as a wide in a three or wing. Well played again tonight Scottie I think he has stepped up
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Scot Sinclair will get the most goals for villa this season. The guy has the quality and finishing instinct to play up top or as a wide in a three or wing. Well played again tonight Scottie I think he has stepped up
Doing it for 90 minutes is what's most impressive. Our fitness is pretty abysmal this far, and Scott has shown he can perform late. He won't sit behind gabby for long, it's just illogical.
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Scot Sinclair will get the most goals for villa this season. The guy has the quality and finishing instinct to play up top or as a wide in a three or wing. Well played again tonight Scottie I think he has stepped up
Doing it for 90 minutes is what's most impressive. Our fitness is pretty abysmal this far, and Scott has shown he can perform late. He won't sit behind gabby for long, it's just illogical.
I really hope Sherwood doesn't drop him for Gabby. That would be completely nuts if he does.
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Scot Sinclair will get the most goals for villa this season. The guy has the quality and finishing instinct to play up top or as a wide in a three or wing. Well played again tonight Scottie I think he has stepped up
Doing it for 90 minutes is what's most impressive. Our fitness is pretty abysmal this far, and Scott has shown he can perform late. He won't sit behind gabby for long, it's just illogical.
I really hope Sherwood doesn't drop him for Gabby. That would be completely nuts if he does.
He will but we'll save Gabby for the derby
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Six goals in fifteen appearances for us now.
Considering he's not been an automatic first choice for us, that's not too shabby at all.
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No end product.
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He needs a song. Oh, and he we need to hypnotise him into thinking we're playing Nottingham-based opponents each game. Two hat-tricks against them in a month!
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I did feel for him after he scored and the crowd sang Super Jack.
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I like the idea of him up front with Gil, Grealish and Adama in behind that someone suggested in the post-match thread, he certainly seems to be a good finisher and he's willing to gamble to get into positions, which is something we haven't seen from our other forwards enough.
I think the other midfielders we have (Gueye, Westwood, Sanchez and Veretout) all put in enough of a shift to cover for 3 quite attacking options in front and, whilst none of the 3 would naturally fit on the left, with Amavi capable of getting up and supporting them we've got players who can beat their man right across the pitch, and the central 2 both offer good movement and can really pick a pass.
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I think he's a player suited to getting into goalscoring positions while starting out wide (kinda like Ronaldo is - no, I'm not saying he has the potential to be anywhere near Ronaldo) rather than playing through the middle. Jack can play in the hole and drift out wide.
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Well he's certainly earned the shirt that Gabby may have worn against Sunderland...hopefully TS will make the correct decision.
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He always gets into good goal scoring positions to be fair, deserves his place now.
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Not only that does he get into good goal scoring positions...but he can clearly finish too which is something that fell out of Gabbys locker years ago. My only criticisms of him tonight was that he was invisible for the first 20 minutes, indecisive in passing/crossing, and isn't quite clinical as he could be.
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I think used right and given the chance, the 2.5m we spent on him will be the best money we spent last summer. His ability to sniff out chances is incredible really, and he looks at home when Grealish is playing his little threaded passes. Lovely touch on the run for his 3rd by Joe Cole tonight.
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Is he the Poundland Thierry Henry?
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I'm not sure he can play right up too though - not as a no 9?
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He could have had 5 last night. I like him a lot and he's fitted in really well into how we play. He could turn out to be a steal for what we've paid.
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Surely got to start ahead of Gabby on Saturday?
I think his only poor game was Swansea at home when he missed a couple of very good chances
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Unfairly derided by some, but I think he's a good player and he simply has to start instead of Gabby. What more can you do than score a hat trick.
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I said last season that he seems to have an eye for goal and a knack of drifting into the box to be in the right place at the right time.
I think 4-4-1-1 is the way to go against Sunderland and I would be playing him of Gestede.
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The left side spot should be his. He's been the better of Gabby and Ayew in the league thus far and he's got goals in him. He has to started against Sunderland.
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Took a while to get into the game - in fact his first touch of note (if not actual touch) was on 20 minutes - bizarre
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Not to go too overboard about a hat trick against Notts County but Sinclair has impressed me since arriving last season and I think gives us that natural width and is a goal threat too so I would play him as often as I can. He is rare name in the squad who should be nailed on for a start each time.
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The main problem - I see - of Sinclair playing as a striker is whether he can play with his back to goal i.e. as a pivot to hold up play and an 'out' ball.
That said, Sinclair / Grealish / Gil / Adama could be a very fluid front four, forcing us to play passing football rather than using the 'out' ball/hoof too often.
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I would play Sinclair up front against Leicester and any games in the future we might have vs Derby so we can say he smashed to pieces the entire eastern part of the Midlands.
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Unfairly derided by some, but I think he's a good player and he simply has to start instead of Gabby. What more can you do than score a hat trick.
Score 4?
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Unfairly derided by some, but I think he's a good player and he simply has to start instead of Gabby. What more can you do than score a hat trick.
Score 4?
When he missed a good chance to get his 4th, we started wondering when was the last time a Villa player scored 4 in a game. None of us could think of one since Stainrod at Exeter.
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I'm not a fan but he does seem to have a habit of getting himself in the right place to score, even if they are just tap-ins and right now we're desperate for somebody, anybody to put the ball in the back of the net. My main problem with Sinclair is I don't see him as a winger, certainly not the winger that's hugging the line as he did against Man Utd. In that role he's completely ineffective. Last night again he never made a single cross, that's all 3 games he's played in this season. Strange type of winger.
The big question for me is if he isn't a winger then where do you play him. I could see him as part of a front two, even a three if he plays much more narrow but then you have to start sacrificing others (at least one, maybe two of Traore, Gil or Grealish). As others have mentioned, I don't see him leading the line and I think the whole concept of hoofing it up to Gestede for a flick on for Sinclair, Gabby or Ayew is a pointless exercise.
So what's the solution. Anybody?
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Unfairly derided by some, but I think he's a good player and he simply has to start instead of Gabby. What more can you do than score a hat trick.
Score 4?
When he missed a good chance to get his 4th, we started wondering when was the last time a Villa player scored 4 in a game. None of us could think of one since Stainrod at Exeter.
Platt against Ipswich. Won 6-2. Yorke scored a hat-trick and had a perfectly good fourth disallowed against Newcastle.
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He's a decent finisher and gets in good positions but that's a mile away from being a good centre forward. No better example of that than the decline of Michael Owen. He was sensational at the former and increasingly average at the latter.
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He's a decent finisher and gets in good positions but that's a mile away from being a good centre forward. No better example of that than the decline of Michael Owen. He was sensational at the former and increasingly average at the latter.
So he's like a fully fit Michael Owen?
Get rid NOW!
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No. He's nowhere near as good. He's not as good a finisher and he's less proven in terms of general play. So if the game has evolved to the extent that you never see Owen type strikers I can't see it working for Sinclair. Maybe as part of a two. Maybe.
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I think he's a very decent player. I like him.
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Unfairly derided by some, but I think he's a good player and he simply has to start instead of Gabby. What more can you do than score a hat trick.
Score 4?
When he missed a good chance to get his 4th, we started wondering when was the last time a Villa player scored 4 in a game. None of us could think of one since Stainrod at Exeter.
Chris Nicholl is the last one I can remember.
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Platt against Ipswich.
Ta muchly.
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I'm not a fan but he does seem to have a habit of getting himself in the right place to score, even if they are just tap-ins and right now we're desperate for somebody, anybody to put the ball in the back of the net. My main problem with Sinclair is I don't see him as a winger, certainly not the winger that's hugging the line as he did against Man Utd. In that role he's completely ineffective. Last night again he never made a single cross, that's all 3 games he's played in this season. Strange type of winger.
The big question for me is if he isn't a winger then where do you play him. I could see him as part of a front two, even a three if he plays much more narrow but then you have to start sacrificing others (at least one, maybe two of Traore, Gil or Grealish). As others have mentioned, I don't see him leading the line and I think the whole concept of hoofing it up to Gestede for a flick on for Sinclair, Gabby or Ayew is a pointless exercise.
So what's the solution. Anybody?
Easy. Playing off a CF. He isnt a winger
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I'm not a fan but he does seem to have a habit of getting himself in the right place to score, even if they are just tap-ins and right now we're desperate for somebody, anybody to put the ball in the back of the net. My main problem with Sinclair is I don't see him as a winger, certainly not the winger that's hugging the line as he did against Man Utd. In that role he's completely ineffective. Last night again he never made a single cross, that's all 3 games he's played in this season. Strange type of winger.
The big question for me is if he isn't a winger then where do you play him. I could see him as part of a front two, even a three if he plays much more narrow but then you have to start sacrificing others (at least one, maybe two of Traore, Gil or Grealish). As others have mentioned, I don't see him leading the line and I think the whole concept of hoofing it up to Gestede for a flick on for Sinclair, Gabby or Ayew is a pointless exercise.
So what's the solution. Anybody?
Easy. Playing off a CF. He isnt a winger
I think he deserves a go, at least against Sunderland. The question then is who do we drop? Oh and who does he play alongside?
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Sinclair was our best player against Man U, we lost any momentum we had when he went off, and he did well again last night. This could be his year I reckon.
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Sinclair was our best player against Man U, we lost any momentum we had when he went off, and he did well again last night. This could be his year I reckon.
Him , Grealish and Traore.
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I think he deserves a go, at least against Sunderland. The question then is who do we drop? Oh and who does he play alongside?
1. Gabby
2. Gestede (sub for Kozak in 2nd half)
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Sinclair was our best player against Man U, we lost any momentum we had when he went off, and he did well again last night. This could be his year I reckon.
For 5 minutes he was our best player. I didn't agree with him being subbed despite doing next to nothing for most of the game but if memory serves, Amavi was our best player. Gana not too bad either. Then there was Richards, Clark, Westwood... Gabby and Ayew were behind him though.
I hope it's his year, he's got a great Pasadenas haircut and seems a genuinely decent sort of chap but don't expect a tribute right now.
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Football is a game of opinions and we're all entitled to them
But Sinclair was just not our best player against Man U! Absolutely no way
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We lost all our momentum when he went off, he started the second half lively, him and Amavi were linking up down the left and killing their full back, after the substition we started going long to gestede and our threat was nullified.
I like him, he's got the movement and back of being in the right place that Gabby just doesn't have, I'd play him upfront with grealish, traore and Gil behind him, geuye and Sanchez holding, I think that's currently our best option.
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Sinclair was largely anonymous against ManUre;did nothing wrong, just nothing noteworthy.
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Sinclair was largely anonymous against ManUre;did nothing wrong, just nothing noteworthy.
He was just starting to click with amavi and look dangerous when he got subbed off. It was a bad call by TS
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Sinclair was the liveliest of our forwards against Man Ure, IMO. On the Sky commentary, Gary Neville remarked how we'd completely lost our attacking shape once he went off.
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I genuinely think he is one of the only players at the club with a goalscorer's instinct and he should be in the team for that reason. How he came off instead of Gabby against Man Utd is just ridiculous.
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He needs to take Gabby's slot.
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Sinclair was the liveliest of our forwards against Man Ure, IMO. On the Sky commentary, Gary Neville remarked how we'd completely lost our attacking shape once he went off.
I'd agree with that. It was an odd sub we made and the other forwards were awful
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There is no question, in my mind, that he offers more than Gabby. A lot more. I dont want to jump on any anti-Gabby bandwagon but we have better players - Sinclair is one of them. He is a finisher, for starters - something Gabby has never been and never will.
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I have to say that apart from his goals I don't notice Sinclair that much,
having said that goals are rather an important thing and I agree if its a toss up between him and the Gabbs then he must get the nod
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I would bet money that given the opportunity Gabby had at Palace early on Sinclair would have buried
Albeit a friendly - 6 goals in 5 games is a very good return for any player - to not consider him in a team that's currently struggling to score would be a dereliction of duty
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Sinclair was largely anonymous against ManUre;did nothing wrong, just nothing noteworthy.
He was just starting to click with amavi and look dangerous when he got subbed off. It was a bad call by TS
Some folk say "subbed off" instead of just "subbed". Surely subbed being an abbreviation of substituted means no 'off' is required.
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I can't remember him much at Swansea. What position did he play and in what formation.
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I can't remember him much at Swansea. What position did he play and in what formation.
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/259/Archive?stageId=5476
So a 4-2-3-1 with Sinclair on the left, which is basically what I think we should eventually aim to be playing. Gana and another midfielder, Sinclair/Grealish, Grealish/Gil, Adama/Gil in the three behind the striker.
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I can't remember him much at Swansea. What position did he play and in what formation.
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/259/Archive?stageId=5476
So a 4-2-3-1 with Sinclair on the left, which is basically what I think we should eventually aim to be playing. Gana and another midfielder, Sinclair/Grealish, Grealish/Gil, Adama/Gil in the three behind the striker.
That's surely made for Sanchez.
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I can't remember him much at Swansea. What position did he play and in what formation.
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/259/Archive?stageId=5476
So a 4-2-3-1 with Sinclair on the left, which is basically what I think we should eventually aim to be playing. Gana and another midfielder, Sinclair/Grealish, Grealish/Gil, Adama/Gil in the three behind the striker.
That's surely made for Sanchez.
It really depends on how you view the double pivot anyway. If you treat it as primarily a solid defensive platform, then Sanchez would probably be best-suited. But, just as an example, that German WC team controlled possession well enough as a unit so that Schweinsteiger and Khedira could take turns to push forward (with the other covering) and provide an extra threat in the final third. In that case, I don't see why you couldn't make a case for Westwood (who so far has passed the ball more purposefully) or Veretout (whose reputation as a big prospect seems to be greatly attached to his ability to create chances from midfield). It does look like Gana is currently and will be our best all-round midfielder though.
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Great to see more goals and he grew into the game. Should have had an assist too
Still don't see him as the answer to our no 9 problems, but he could play in a pair. Would be great if I'm wrong
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The main problem - I see - of Sinclair playing as a striker is whether he can play with his back to goal i.e. as a pivot to hold up play and an 'out' ball.
That said, Sinclair / Grealish / Gil / Adama could be a very fluid front four, forcing us to play passing football rather than using the 'out' ball/hoof too often.
This is exactly what I want to see and even as a lone striker, with the other three attacking, Sinclair could still ghost in.
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Yeah but you've got to be able to build off the striker with his back to goal in English football. You just have to
If Sinclair can do that it would be great because I agree with all the other positive points. But I don't see it
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He reminds me a bit of Thierry Henry, not as good, but moves with the same smoothness on the ball. He could be a really decent centre forward I think.
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Yeah but you've got to be able to build off the striker with his back to goal in English football. You just have to
If Sinclair can do that it would be great because I agree with all the other positive points. But I don't see it
Why have you got to do that? Is it because it's what other teams do? Arsenal don't play that way at all and they're regulars in the champions league.
I think if you can make intelligent runs and open space for players to run into you can do very well if you have the right players in the 3 in behind, with Ayew and Veretout to settle and compete for those positions as well I think it's certainly something we should look at. I think Kozak offers a similar option in that he is also not great with his back to goal but does offer good movement and gets into good positions to have chances. I'd like those 2 to be the main options at 9 for the time being so we can let Gestede have short cameos and be an aggressive option from the bench.
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He's scoring goals.
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He's scoring goals.
Five in two. Any more of that business and Chelsea or Man City will be offering us a kings ransom to sign him!
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Yes beam me smile up Scotty!
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Yeah but you've got to be able to build off the striker with his back to goal in English football. You just have to
If Sinclair can do that it would be great because I agree with all the other positive points. But I don't see it
Why have you got to do that? Is it because it's what other teams do? Arsenal don't play that way at all and they're regulars in the champions league.
I think if you can make intelligent runs and open space for players to run into you can do very well if you have the right players in the 3 in behind, with Ayew and Veretout to settle and compete for those positions as well I think it's certainly something we should look at. I think Kozak offers a similar option in that he is also not great with his back to goal but does offer good movement and gets into good positions to have chances. I'd like those 2 to be the main options at 9 for the time being so we can let Gestede have short cameos and be an aggressive option from the bench.
Whenever I see giroud that's exactly what they do. I don't mean play long balls. But if you're a team like villa I can't see how you can do without someone who shows for the ball with reliability. Benteke was great because he did that up top and down the channels. Gestede is all the former and gabby, Ayew and Sinclair the latter.
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He's scoring goals.
Yup. Sometimes you just have to let a goal scorer just keep his place based on his results. When players get in a run of "Lucky they were there" moments the best thing to do is let them keep at it regardless of how it is happening.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting leaving him out!
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Yeah but you've got to be able to build off the striker with his back to goal in English football. You just have to
Yep, we need to follow Man City, Man Utd and Arsenal and their use of a target man with his back to goal.....oh wait
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Yeah but you've got to be able to build off the striker with his back to goal in English football. You just have to
If Sinclair can do that it would be great because I agree with all the other positive points. But I don't see it
Why have you got to do that? Is it because it's what other teams do? Arsenal don't play that way at all and they're regulars in the champions league.
I think if you can make intelligent runs and open space for players to run into you can do very well if you have the right players in the 3 in behind, with Ayew and Veretout to settle and compete for those positions as well I think it's certainly something we should look at. I think Kozak offers a similar option in that he is also not great with his back to goal but does offer good movement and gets into good positions to have chances. I'd like those 2 to be the main options at 9 for the time being so we can let Gestede have short cameos and be an aggressive option from the bench.
Whenever I see giroud that's exactly what they do. I don't mean play long balls. But if you're a team like villa I can't see how you can do without someone who shows for the ball with reliability. Benteke was great because he did that up top and down the channels. Gestede is all the former and gabby, Ayew and Sinclair the latter.
Giroud makes runs and gets involved in general play with lots of one-twos which isn't building off a striker with his back to goal. They have also played Walcott, Ramsey, Sanchez, Podolski and Fabregas in a 'false 9' role plenty of times in the last decade and won plenty of games doing it. Having a back to goal target man to build off is a good option but shouldn't be the be all and end all.
Man City often play Aguero on his own and again his game is more about his movement off the ball and his ability to turn and run at people than it is doing anything that could be considered a 'targetman'. Being able to hold it up and play flicks and lay-offs is useful but we have no idea whether Sinclair can do that or not. I think the point is that if we don't try Sinclair in there we can't play with the 4 best attacking players at the club all being on the pitch, so lets see if the skills we know he has are enough to get a working attacking unit.
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Have we had Bentekes replacement on board all the time without knowing ? We would obviously need to play him in the striker role rather than ACM / AWM but he certainly knows where the net is.
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I reckon that's 8 in 16 for us, which includes half a dozen sub appearances.
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Have we had Bentekes replacement on board all the time without knowing ? We would obviously need to play him in the striker role rather than ACM / AWM but he certainly knows where the net is.
Personally I don't like him playing wide, I don't think he's got the crossing ability and doesn't commit defenders enough. I'm now certain that he needs to play up front, either alone or off a target man.
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He's going to score more goals than Shearer.
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He seems to have a good array of goals in his armoury perhaps with the exception of aerial .
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He seems to have a good array of goals in his armoury perhaps with the exception of aerial .
Excellent reception from Amavi for his second today.
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He seems to have a good array of goals in his armoury perhaps with the exception of aerial .
Excellent reception from Amavi for his second today.
Was a lovely move
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he's scored a few headers for us and seems to be willing to get into positions to head the ball so I'm not worried about that, he might not be the beast that Benteke was and Gestede may become but he's good enough for now.
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He's exactly the kind of player we need playing in the CF position in a 4231...whether TS will decide that is the case is another question but Sinclair is clearly a confidence player, and right now he's full of it. Not only that but he's got good sense of awareness, positioning, an eye for goal and clearly knows how to finish...my only criticism would be that he's shots from around the box are a bit dodgy at the moment but that can be improved. If we dont sign a CF then its a no brainer that Scott should play there with Traore, Grealish and Gil ahead of Sanchez and Gueye...and he also have the versatility of switching to a 442 or 433 if thats not working out.
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Reliable at penalties too. Comes across quite shy and humble in interviews.
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Reliable at penalties too. Comes across quite shy and humble in interviews.
he does and not remotely the person some might have thought he was given his "celebrity" partner. He has really knuckled down to his task and his taking his opportunity right now.
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Shy & humble is the new young & hungry. I'm personally keeping my powder dry for why & mumble.
Hang on, we did try that [:/beards/]
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If grealish had been fit I wonder how we'd have lined up yday? Neither want to play on the right so maybe the diamond w Sinclair up front
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Back to him as the 1 up top. I'd love to think we could. Sinclair drifting left and getting into the box to score poacher goals, with some combination of grealish, Adama, gil and veretout behind him sounds lovely. Would be great if it worked.
But it would rely on a hell of a lot of passing intricacy. The back end of last year was the best I think I've seen villa pass the ball in years. But it was still a fundamental part of our game that we could play a thirty yard ball into benteke's chest and it would stick. I just think the ball would come back at us an awful lot.
I hope I'm wrong because it does sound great. But I don't think I am.
Incidentally I think this is the same reason Walcott won't be a success* for arsenal up front. And they're the best at passing the ball in tight areas.
* unless teams play an absurdly high line as villa did in the FA cup final . . .
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He made some great runs off the ball yesterday which weren't picked up. Much more game intelligence than Gabby.
Needs to play through the middle, as he is not a winger.
At least we have options up front this year
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I suppose it's hard to say when he hasn't played through the middle for us yet, but I just feel that he's one of those players who finds it far easier to get into good positions when coming in from out wide than starting in a central position, where you're tracked immediately by both centrebacks and typically at least one holding midfielder. Ronaldo is an extreme example, of course, but he's the player I most readily think of when it comes to doing that: he's nominally positioned out wide, but whenever the ball gets into a dangerous area opportunity he'll make the surging run to a central position.
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He seems to have a good array of goals in his armoury perhaps with the exception of aerial .
Didn't he score with a great header at the end of last season? Everton? West ham?
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He seems to have a good array of goals in his armoury perhaps with the exception of aerial .
Didn't he score with a great header at the end of last season? Everton? West ham?
He got one vs Stoke in Sherwood's first game
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He could turn out to be one our best summer signings at this rate.
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I agree
Made it into Garth Crooks Team of the Week
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He could turn out to be one our best summer signings at this rate.
Yes and ironically there were question marks as to whether Sherwood rated him. It was suggested that the deal was already done before Tim came in.
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He could turn out to be one our best summer signings at this rate.
Yes and ironically there were question marks as to whether Sherwood rated him. It was suggested that the deal was already done before Tim came in.
Not only was it clearly done, but Tim didn't seem overjoyed at it.
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Reliable at penalties too. Comes across quite shy and humble in interviews.
His voice has finally dropped, too. Used to be well squeaky at Swansea.
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He could turn out to be one our best summer signings at this rate.
Yes and ironically there were question marks as to whether Sherwood rated him. It was suggested that the deal was already done before Tim came in.
Not only was it clearly done, but Tim didn't seem overjoyed at it.
Understandable really, he might not have realised the terms of the loan originally, and that's obviously then a set amount of transfer budget and wages that he's had no say in. Happily though, it all appears to be working out.
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He could turn out to be one our best summer signings at this rate.
Yes and ironically there were question marks as to whether Sherwood rated him. It was suggested that the deal was already done before Tim came in.
Not only was it clearly done, but Tim didn't seem overjoyed at it.
Understandable really, he might not have realised the terms of the loan originally, and that's obviously then a set amount of transfer budget and wages that he's had no say in. Happily though, it all appears to be working out.
He wasn't the only one either. When we was in for him it was very mixed views (as always) on here but it's certainly turning out very well. One of my Plymouth supporting mates did say if we were getting the same fella who was on loan there we would have a very good goal scoring winger.
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I asked a few villa journos on Twitter about Sinclair playing as the lone striker. They couldn't see it either.
We'll have some interesting choices for Leicester.
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Can we please get him a song?!
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Can we please get him a song?!
One Trevor Sinclair, there's only one Trevor Sinclair.
Yes I know, but it scans better.
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Best I could think of that works reasonably is "he's here, he's there, he's everyfuckingwhere, Scott Sinclair, Scott Sinclair".
Not very imaginative and doesn't mention Small Heath so I'll probably need to work on it more.
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Best I could think of that works reasonably is "he's here, he's there, he's everyfuckingwhere, Scott Sinclair, Scott Sinclair".
Not very imaginative and doesn't mention Small Heath so I'll probably need to work on it more.
He's here, he's there, he fucking hates Small Heath, Scott Sinclair, Scott Sinclair.
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He's here, he's there, his name is Scott Sinclair
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I have to say of all the shite we witnessed yesterday, the sight of him running with the ball, seeing an opposition player within 10 feet of him and then stopping, turning his back and getting dispossessed EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME made my blood boil the most, An absolutely abysmal player, what does he do exactly? He isn't a winger as he can't beat a man, and he isn't a striker. I can't remember the last time we had a strike duo quite as piss poor as Sinclair and Gestede. Emile Heskey posed more of a goal threat than these two, even while playing at right back.
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Scott Sinclair is not a striker. He's been pushed in to the position by the chancer man because he scored a few goals pre season against nobodies having a kick around and we are struggling for any coherent plan going forwards.
His best times in football have been pretty much as an out and out winger haven't they? Coming off the wing at times but mainly using his pace to beat players.
He shouldn't be wearing number 9 and he shouldn't be playing off Gestede, another joke decision by the chancer man.
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That was the best impression of a donkey in a Villa shirt I have ever witnessed yesterday. He just ran around like school boy who has been asking to play for a long while finally gets his chance because your one legged left back has not turned up, actually can't kick a ball but has loads of energy albeit bit slower than other boys. No anticipation, no control, always made the wrong decision, clueless when with the ball an embarrassment.
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Scott Sinclair is not a striker. He's been pushed in to the position by the chancer man because he scored a few goals pre season against nobodies having a kick around and we are struggling for any coherent plan going forwards.
His best times in football have been pretty much as an out and out winger haven't they? Coming off the wing at times but mainly using his pace to beat players.
He shouldn't be wearing number 9 and he shouldn't be playing off Gestede, another joke decision by the chancer man.
This.
The reason he was effective at scoring was because he was coming in from the left wing (normally having been anonymous) and ghosting the defenders.
Since pushing him more central he's been shite.
Get him back out on the left with chalk on his boots.
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Scott Sinclair is not a striker. He's been pushed in to the position by the chancer man because he scored a few goals pre season against nobodies having a kick around and we are struggling for any coherent plan going forwards.
His best times in football have been pretty much as an out and out winger haven't they? Coming off the wing at times but mainly using his pace to beat players.
He shouldn't be wearing number 9 and he shouldn't be playing off Gestede, another joke decision by the chancer man.
This.
The reason he was effective at scoring was because he was coming in from the left wing (normally having been anonymous) and ghosting the defenders.
Since pushing him more central he's been shite.
Get him back out on the left with chalk on his boots.
You'll need more than chalk to make the L and R on his boots stick for an entire 45 minutes.
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Sinclair has great instinct but absolutely useless when he needs to use his brain. He makes Gabby look like the President of Mensa. It's pointless playing him on the wing as he can't/doesn't cross. If we are to persist with him then it can only be as a striker. Don't ask him to hold the ball up, do all the hard work and just get the ball in the box. There he may prove useful.
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Sinclair has great instinct but absolutely useless when he needs to use his brain. He makes Gabby look like the President of Mensa. It's pointless playing him on the wing as he can't/doesn't cross. If we are to persist with him then it can only be as a striker. Don't ask him to hold the ball up, do all the hard work and just get the ball in the box. There he may prove useful.
And that's where a partnership of him and Gestede is bolloksed from the start, despite looking like a classic big man/little man partnership on paper.
Then you've got neither of a front two who can hold the ball up or do the hard work and just want the ball in the box.
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Sinclair has great instinct but absolutely useless when he needs to use his brain. He makes Gabby look like the President of Mensa. It's pointless playing him on the wing as he can't/doesn't cross. If we are to persist with him then it can only be as a striker. Don't ask him to hold the ball up, do all the hard work and just get the ball in the box. There he may prove useful.
I have to disagree, he had his best season and earned a transfer to Man City and it wasn't as a Striker. We are in the process of ruining another player by playing him out of position.
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Sinclair has great instinct but absolutely useless when he needs to use his brain. He makes Gabby look like the President of Mensa. It's pointless playing him on the wing as he can't/doesn't cross. If we are to persist with him then it can only be as a striker. Don't ask him to hold the ball up, do all the hard work and just get the ball in the box. There he may prove useful.
I have to disagree, he had his best season and earned a transfer to Man City and it wasn't as a Striker. We are in the process of ruining another player by playing him out of position.
Where did he play?
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That was the best impression of a donkey in a Villa shirt I have ever witnessed yesterday. He just ran around like school boy who has been asking to play for a long while finally gets his chance because your one legged left back has not turned up, actually can't kick a ball but has loads of energy albeit bit slower than other boys. No anticipation, no control, always made the wrong decision, clueless when with the ball an embarrassment.
Sounds about right, surprised at how one paced he is too.
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All this should have been picked up when on loan, why wait to sign him on a perm before realising we have a donkey. Another one not good enough. Hard isn't it to wake up and realise the reality of the situation.
Sinclair struggled to get into the team towards the end of last season, was he really the manager's signing?
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Sinclair has great instinct but absolutely useless when he needs to use his brain. He makes Gabby look like the President of Mensa. It's pointless playing him on the wing as he can't/doesn't cross. If we are to persist with him then it can only be as a striker. Don't ask him to hold the ball up, do all the hard work and just get the ball in the box. There he may prove useful.
I have to disagree, he had his best season and earned a transfer to Man City and it wasn't as a Striker. We are in the process of ruining another player by playing him out of position.
Where did he play?
Mostly left wing, coming in on his right foot and he hasn't wasn't a Sherwood signing no, the deal was done before Lambert was sacked wasn't it?
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All this should have been picked up when on loan, why wait to sign him on a perm before realising we have a donkey. Another one not good enough. Hard isn't it to wake up and realise the reality of the situation.
Sinclair struggled to get into the team towards the end of last season, was he really the manager's signing?
Don't think Sherwood wanted him to be fair, didn't we sign him on loan initially but on the basis if he made a certain amount of appearances the deal would be made permanent?
He simply does not want the ball with his back to goal, gutless in the extreme.
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All this should have been picked up when on loan, why wait to sign him on a perm before realising we have a donkey. Another one not good enough. Hard isn't it to wake up and realise the reality of the situation.
Sinclair struggled to get into the team towards the end of last season, was he really the manager's signing?
Don't think Sherwood wanted him to be fair, didn't we sign him on loan initially but on the basis if he made a certain amount of appearances the deal would be made permanent?
He simply does not want the ball with his back to goal, gutless in the extreme.
A winger who doesn't want the ball with his back to goal is gutless? Wow, that wins silly post of the day.
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All this should have been picked up when on loan, why wait to sign him on a perm before realising we have a donkey. Another one not good enough. Hard isn't it to wake up and realise the reality of the situation.
Sinclair struggled to get into the team towards the end of last season, was he really the manager's signing?
Don't think Sherwood wanted him to be fair, didn't we sign him on loan initially but on the basis if he made a certain amount of appearances the deal would be made permanent?
He simply does not want the ball with his back to goal, gutless in the extreme.
I think the deal was contingent on us staying up wasn't it?
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All this should have been picked up when on loan, why wait to sign him on a perm before realising we have a donkey. Another one not good enough. Hard isn't it to wake up and realise the reality of the situation.
Sinclair struggled to get into the team towards the end of last season, was he really the manager's signing?
Don't think Sherwood wanted him to be fair, didn't we sign him on loan initially but on the basis if he made a certain amount of appearances the deal would be made permanent?
He simply does not want the ball with his back to goal, gutless in the extreme.
I think the deal was contingent on us staying up wasn't it?
Yup, agreed by all parties back in January.
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He's scored 8 in 15 starts and 6 sub appearances. Not bad for someone who is shit/a donkey, isn't a striker and cost £2.5m.
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He's scored 8 in 15 starts and 6 sub appearances. Not bad for someone who is shit/a donkey, isn't a striker and cost £2.5m.
Or, to put it another way - all the games that we've played since summer 2012 (and there have been around 150 of them) he is our fourth highest goalscorer across that time. Even though he has only played in around 20 of those matches.
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I like Sinclair, but like so many of our players we don not seem to be playing to their streghths.
Going back to when we appointed Tim he kind of belittled Lambert for not playing to Benteke's strengths (OK, he had a point) but now we seem to be doing this regularly with our squad. Ayew on the wing, Jack out wide, Sanchez centre back, Clark midfield and a new low of Hutton as a wingback. Also what has Kozak done wrong? The bloke knows where the back of the net is.
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I like Sinclair, but like so many of our players we don not seem to be playing to their streghths.
Going back to when we appointed Tim he kind of belittled Lambert for not playing to Benteke's strengths (OK, he had a point) but now we seem to be doing this regularly with our squad. Ayew on the wing, Jack out wide, Sanchez centre back, Clark midfield and a new low of Hutton as a wingback. Also what has Kozak done wrong? The bloke knows where the back of the net is.
"I'll show that Rodgers not playing to Benteke's strengths, I can play to NONE of my players'!"
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Just don't play him and Gestede at the same time. It's worth carrying one of them because they're both goal threats in different ways and we're rather lacking those kinds of players elsewhere at this moment, but both of them puts far too much pressure on everyone else to create chances.
As for the posts saying he shouldn't play out left because he can't really beat a man and put in a decent cross, I'd say that that's just being too enamoured with the classic conception of a wide player, when these days plenty of players at teams far better than us get game time out wide solely because they're quick, work hard and have goal-scoring ability: players like Jay Rodriguez, Chadli and Walcott (even though he's getting more time through the middle now).
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Just don't play him and Gestede at the same time. It's worth carrying one of them because they're both goal threats in different ways and we're rather lacking those kinds of players elsewhere at this moment, but both of them puts far too much pressure on everyone else to create chances.
As for the posts saying he shouldn't play out left because he can't really beat a man and put in a decent cross, I'd say that that's just being too enamoured with the classic conception of a wide player, when these days plenty of players at teams far better than us get game time out wide solely because they're quick, work hard and have goal-scoring ability: players like Jay Rodriguez, Chadli and Walcott (even though he's getting more time through the middle now).
Agreed.
Sinclair obviously has ability - the manager needs to find ways to bring it out regularly.
He's not a player I particularly like, but I'm sure he can be effective for, played appropriately (probably as a bring-on sub).
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He was dire on Saturday, and I don't think you can blame that entirely on tactics. Several times he had the ball at his feet, facing forwards of all things, and didn't seem to know what to do.
I still rate him vs our other options and would have him in the squad and probably the team.
More generally I'm still not sure I'm quite in the camp of "decent players, bad manager". Patience is wearing thin with Sherwood but I don't think our squad is good enough, and that's not (or at least, not mostly) Sherwood's fault.
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I get the distinct impression that Sherwood has completely ruled the roost on who he wanted to bring to the club. I think we came within a hairsbreadth of having Adebayor on full wages and living a hundred miles from the club. To me the picture is crystal clear. We have players of proven ability performing way below their potential.
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Who of the team that played on Saturday is playing below their proven level though?
I thought Richards was mainly good, and Gil was good when he came on.
The rest were poor to average. But which of them are proven?
Amavi - not great on Sat, but unproven
Lescott - proven, but now 33 or whatever
Crespo - unproven
Hutton - was OK, which is his proven level
Westwood - was mediocre, but that is his proven level
Gana - unproven (I though he was pretty good in the first half tbh)
Veretout - unproven
Sinclair - maybe, but only one really good season
Gestede - unproven
I'm not making the argument that Sat was good or that Sherwood is blameless (the formation was baffling), but I don't think it's true to say we have players performing below their proven levels - with one or two exceptions, we just have an unproven squad, and the truth might well be they collectively just aren't that good.
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I think Sinclair is like the other players. He's not performing because he doesn't really know what he's meant to be doing, and is being played in a stupid formation.
In his case, he's miles up front on his own with only Gestede for company. He can't play short passing interchanges with Gestede, who has the close control of a newborn giraffe, and he doesn't have the strength to hold it up himself, so his only option is to run down a blind alley.
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I think Sam is right, Sinclair doesn't know what he is doing. As far as I know Sinclair has never been a second striker during the rest of his career, what makes people think he's going to become one now?
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I still think that Kozak needs a chance as Gestede doesnt really help Sinclair, as his feet dont do much, other than make him jump up.
Kozak can at least play a bit other than head the ball, and would be better with Sinclair to feed off / hold ball up.
Given Sherwood's "tactics" atm, surprised that he hasnt tried Kozak ( at least up front but you never can tell )
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I don't know what LK has done to be so far removed from the first team plans. I actually think Sinclair is OK but without putting the ball anywhere near the box, we're asking him to be something he is not.
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I don't know what LK has done to be so far removed from the first team plans.
Possibly Tim has a tall forward that he bought in himself and thinks tall forwards can only head the ball, so keep with the player not coming back from injury? ::)
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He's played enough preseason / reserve games to be considered if he was going to be a part of things. TO obviously doesn't rate him and that's what I would be questioning given how crap our strikers have been.
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Sinclair was most effective when he drifted in from out wide and it's where he's got most of his goals from. I think he's been pretty decent signing so far.
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Well I dont want to alarm anyone but I saw this yesterday: New forward rumour (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/609997/Tim-Sherwood-Wolves-Benik-Afobe-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News-Gossip)
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Well I dont want to alarm anyone but I saw this yesterday: New forward rumour (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/609997/Tim-Sherwood-Wolves-Benik-Afobe-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News-Gossip)
Oh dearie me...
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Hopefully Sherwood won't be here to do that in January.
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Well I dont want to alarm anyone but I saw this yesterday: New forward rumour (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/609997/Tim-Sherwood-Wolves-Benik-Afobe-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News-Gossip)
Now that must be grounds for dismissal
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Afobe is a good striker but that certainly strikes as a panic buy.
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Afobe is a good striker but that certainly strikes as a panic buy.
I think we're going to have to buy a striker no matter what. Unless Sherwood gets a clue and puts Ayew at the forefront of the attack.
Still finding his best eleven, while we're circling the drain.. :o
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I think Afobe is excellent and would go very will with Grealish and Gil butsurely Ayew needs a run of games up top before thinking about that deal.
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I think Afobe is excellent and would go very will with Grealish and Gil butsurely Ayew needs a run of games up top before thinking about that deal.
As does Kozak.
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Well I dont want to alarm anyone but I saw this yesterday: New forward rumour (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/609997/Tim-Sherwood-Wolves-Benik-Afobe-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News-Gossip)
Panik Afobe.
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I can't see that there's any evidence of that it's just a made up story
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I'm really hoping that winning The Apprentice will help Sinclair's confidence and he can really push on in the second half of the season.
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I'm really hoping that winning The Apprentice will help Sinclair's confidence and he can really push on in the second half of the season.
Or that he can fuck off and find something other than impersonating a footballer to do.
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Whilst he's only okay at the level I think Sinclair will have plenty of joy in the level below. Then, we come back up and we sell and buy someone else.
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Whilst he's only okay at the level I think Sinclair will have plenty of joy in the level below. Then, we come back up and we sell and buy someone else.
I'd fuck him off sharpish myself.
He doesn't seem odious, but he offers little and I'm not sure people that made fortunes for doing nothing are the types you want around when you're trying to put the fire back in your team.
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Whilst he's only okay at the level I think Sinclair will have plenty of joy in the level below. Then, we come back up and we sell and buy someone else.
I'd fuck him off sharpish myself.
He doesn't seem odious, but he offers little and I'm not sure people that made fortunes for doing nothing are the types you want around when you're trying to put the fire back in your team.
I get that but I also think he's a symptom of the malaise around the club. Wingers are ultimately confidence players first and foremost and successful wingers means a successful side. If or when we're playing championship football then I'd expect him to play at a level he is good enough for and then get more confidence. Going up with that type of player becomes a dangerous weapon, and whether he'd be able to do it fully confident in the Premier is something we'd have to see. But I think he'd be good enough for the Championship should we be there together.
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Whilst he's only okay at the level I think Sinclair will have plenty of joy in the level below. Then, we come back up and we sell and buy someone else.
I'd fuck him off sharpish myself.
He doesn't seem odious, but he offers little and I'm not sure people that made fortunes for doing nothing are the types you want around when you're trying to put the fire back in your team.
I get that but I also think he's a symptom of the malaise around the club. Wingers are ultimately confidence players first and foremost and successful wingers means a successful side. If or when we're playing championship football then I'd expect him to play at a level he is good enough for and then get more confidence. Going up with that type of player becomes a dangerous weapon, and whether he'd be able to do it fully confident in the Premier is something we'd have to see. But I think he'd be good enough for the Championship should we be there together.
To be fair to him, he's not really being played as a winger at the moment and is in a more central role. I would play him and Ayew on the right and left respectively with Traore being used as an impact sub as and when.
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I think he be best deployed as the in the old 3 that we used to employ but playing more wide as a traditional winger. Let's have a look at him. That's clearly his best position, so why not in our current struggles see if we can play to his strengths and use him as a winger? In all honesty I don't think he has it in him and think that he's a decidedly Championship player. But to be fair I'd have said that about Rutledge and Dyer at one stage.
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Sinclair is one of the ones I think will be a mainstay next season. Sadly he is a bit of a luxury at the moment.
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He doesn't seem to run at players that much, which bugs me. I recall a moment last season when he ran through 3-4 players and then delivered a cross. I wondered why he can't do it more often. I lose count at the times he'll get a fullback isolated and not have a run at them.
He also doesn't seem to be making those back post runs he was making early season either. Granted we're not really delivering much into the box, but I'd like to see Sinclair playing wider again and actually having a go at defenders and using his main asset, which is pace. At the moment he's doing naff all.
We've actually got the ability to hit teams with pace if we get our speedsters working in unison. Right now though, Ayew is carrying the torch alone.
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Sinclair is a nothing player unfortunately, and we can talk about needing to shift Gabby/Nzogbia/Senderos/etc. But every summer we sign players like Sinclair/Lescott/etc. and we are just continuing down the same road, stuck with new players we'll want to shift in a year or two.
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Sinclair is a nothing player unfortunately, and we can talk about needing to shift Gabby/Nzogbia/Senderos/etc. But every summer we sign players like Sinclair/Lescott/etc. and we are just continuing down the same road, stuck with new players we'll want to shift in a year or two.
I agree. I think he's dreadful, and even prefer Charlie over him. Get rid-him, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Richardson, Senderos, Hutton, Guzan, Bacuna, Westwood.....jesus, if I was in charge we wouldn't have much of a squad. Not that sheer numbers mean anything.
Good luck Remi, you're going to need it. I like what you're doing though Mr Garde.
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Sinclair is a nothing player unfortunately, and we can talk about needing to shift Gabby/Nzogbia/Senderos/etc. But every summer we sign players like Sinclair/Lescott/etc. and we are just continuing down the same road, stuck with new players we'll want to shift in a year or two.
I agree. I think he's dreadful, and even prefer Charlie over him. Get rid-him, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Richardson, Senderos, Hutton, Guzan, Bacuna, Westwood.....jesus, if I was in charge we wouldn't have much of a squad. Not that sheer numbers mean anything.
Good luck Remi, you're going to need it. I like what you're doing though Mr Garde.
There is certainly a lot of dross in there. I just hope we haven't made a mistake giving Bacuna, Westwood, Baker etc lengthy contracts. If anyone wants them, great, their contracts mean they command a fee. If not, we've just signed ourselves up to paying millions over the next few years on players who aren't good enough to be playing regularly.
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I think Sinclair is just going through a run of bad form. He was knocking them in earlier in the season and a goal might get his confidence back.
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He doesn't seem to run at players that much, which bugs me. I recall a moment last season when he ran through 3-4 players and then delivered a cross. I wondered why he can't do it more often. I lose count at the times he'll get a fullback isolated and not have a run at them.
He also doesn't seem to be making those back post runs he was making early season either. Granted we're not really delivering much into the box, but I'd like to see Sinclair playing wider again and actually having a go at defenders and using his main asset, which is pace. At the moment he's doing naff all.
We've actually got the ability to hit teams with pace if we get our speedsters working in unison. Right now though, Ayew is carrying the torch alone.
speedster? Sinclair is as one paced as it gets
the fastest I saw him running at SJP was in his trot to the sideline coming off
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Sinclair is one of the ones I think will be a mainstay next season. Sadly he is a bit of a luxury passenger at the moment.
Fixed.
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He's obviously there because he can do a job defensively for the team as well, something that Gil, Grealish, Traore, are either unwilling or incapable of doing at the moment. If our defence was any better and Traore was a bit less unselfish, worked harder for the team, etc. I'm sure Sinclair wouldn't get a game. A case of needs must at the minute I believe.
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He isn't slow, he's not rapid.
He's a good finisher but the rest of his game is limited.
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I was wrong, he's crap.
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I was wrong, he's crap.
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In a struggling team he doesnt bring enough to the party for me
His best game of this season was Sunderland at home as an out and out striker
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Just me that thinks he's decent then?
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Just me that thinks he's decent then?
I think he's ok, not a world beater but not gash, better than a lot of the others we have
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Looks ok-ish in a side of dross, but how many other sides would he be first-choice in - not many i`ll wager, says it al really.
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Back to Swansea £2m
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why are we selling to a relegation rival? This is madness.
Do we have to sell to buy?
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He's gash and on high wages. Get rid I reckon.
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He's gash and on high wages. Get rid I reckon.
And what if he turns it on there and drags them out of it?
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why are we selling to a relegation rival? This is madness.
Do we have to sell to buy?
I'm not SS's biggest fan, I don't think he has the stomach for any sort of battle, but I'd agree with this.
Pretty dumb if we sell to Swansea now.
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Can't stand him, don't care if he leaves but we certainly need to get someone in as with Grealish and Gabby in exile we are pretty light upfront.
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He's gash and on high wages. Get rid I reckon.
And what if he turns it on there and drags them out of it?
What if he doesn't..?
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He always started matches well but then went missing.
He's not offering what we want, and I agree it's best to get rid
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Can't stand him, don't care if he leaves but we certainly need to get someone in as with Grealish and Gabby in exile we are pretty light upfront.
I'd say we were pretty heavy up front if Gabby's picked!
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He's gash and on high wages. Get rid I reckon.
And what if he turns it on there and drags them out of it?
So even though he does sweet FA for us, we should keep him just in case he does something for them? Whilst not willing to drive him there, I'll certainly pay his bus fare.
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On thread: thought Sinclair would give us a lot more than he has...always looks good when he receives the ball, usually loses any momentum, runs into brick walls, gives possession away too easily.
However, I'd keep him as cover for a few others if needed...unless we get a better option in this month.
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I'm not sure i'd be selling to a relegation rival but it's in The Mirror so it may well be bollocks.
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He's gash and on high wages. Get rid I reckon.
And what if he turns it on there and drags them out of it?
What if he doesn't..?
Then that's fortunate. Unless the offer is too good to turn down we shouldn't be selling to them at this moment in time. I agree with SH, it's madness for £2m.
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I'm sorry, but unless we have someone else coming in that seems very odd.
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Why was my post deleted? It was sensible.
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I don't think we really have relegation rivals. We're going down. Sinclair has been poor so we should get rid. I think his attitude is shit. He's more interested in his barnet and living it up with his famous missus than delivering as a Premiership footballer.
Sell him and bring in a half reasonable winger from somewhere. I also get the impression he could be one of those who's not doing enough for Garde.
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I thought he would do well for us but he hasn't. He's another with no real set position, kind of shite at all trades. Take the money and run.
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I don't think we really have relegation rivals. We're going down. Sinclair has been poor so we should get rid. I think his attitude is shit. He's more interested in his barnet and living it up with his famous missus than delivering as a Premiership footballer.
Sell him and bring in a half reasonable winger from somewhere. I also get the impression he could be one of those who's not doing enough for Garde.
This
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The 'bring in' bit is what i'm worried about.
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The 'bring in' bit is what i'm worried about.
At this stage I'd be seeing if there's a half decent winger in the championship who might fancy playing 5 months in the Prem and then helping to push us up next season. Someone with a bit of hunger and willingness to succeed. Failing that, maybe there's 1-2 lads in the Youths who might make a step up to the first team.
I really don't think Sinclair has the desire.
The sad truth is that we should be preparing for the Championship. In terms of signings we're not going to a get a decent player on a permanent. We have to go back to untried punts really. I think we can attract championship level talent. Now they may be able to step up.
I would be more than happy never to see Gabby, Sinclair and a few others in our side again. Players who probably have not helped Remi much at all.
Work your bollocks off or bugger off. Regardless of who does or doesn't come in, I'm happy to see some get fucked off now. I'm sure in our U21 side we'll have players champing at the bit to make the step up.
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we ought to be buying for the chumps league before Newcastle, Sunderland or A N Other do
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So even though he does sweet FA for us, we should keep him just in case he does something for them?
Exactly that, yes.
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Just me that thinks he's decent then?
I think he's got about a 1 in 3 goal ratio (through out his career) - we need goals. Selling would be silly - unless he's that disruptive or not interested. In Remi we trust.
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Let him go and sit on Swansea's bench.
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The 'bring in' bit is what i'm worried about.
At this stage I'd be seeing if there's a half decent winger in the championship who might fancy playing 5 months in the Prem and then helping to push us up next season. Someone with a bit of hunger and willingness to succeed. Failing that, maybe there's 1-2 lads in the Youths who might make a step up to the first team.
I really don't think Sinclair has the desire.
The sad truth is that we should be preparing for the Championship. In terms of signings we're not going to a get a decent player on a permanent. We have to go back to untried punts really. I think we can attract championship level talent. Now they may be able to step up.
I would be more than happy never to see Gabby, Sinclair and a few others in our side again. Players who probably have not helped Remi much at all.
Work your bollocks off or bugger off. Regardless of who does or doesn't come in, I'm happy to see some get fucked off now. I'm sure in our U21 side we'll have players champing at the bit to make the step up.
My feelings as well,supertom.Get rid of the dross.Blood a few youngsters to see if any could be reliable squad members at least next year.It will be a near miracle if we stay up and it won't be achieved with the likes of Gabby and Sinclair.The only thing I would not like to see is gambling with untried punts.Reliable ,solid if unspectacular acquisitions.No fancy dans ,as you put it 'work your bollocks off or bugger off ' should be our criteria .
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Just me that thinks he's decent then?
I think he's got about a 1 in 3 goal ratio (through out his career) - we need goals. Selling would be silly - unless he's that disruptive or not interested. In Remi we trust.
He's scored 13 top flight goals, 8 of them nearly 5 years ago. Not that good a record really.
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I like him, and would certainly not sell to a team we aim to leapfrog.
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I think he'll bang plenty of goals in in the Championship next season if given games. Whether that's enough to cover the possibility that he might not show the requisite effort, I don't know.
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He has been the most ineffective player on the pitch every time I have seen him. Let him go for free if needed to get rid of of anther leach.
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He's either an 8/10, he'll get forward and get the odd goal. Or he's a 2/10. Forget he's even on the pitch.
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If Swansea are buying him, just whose decision is it?
They only appointed a new manager yesterday?
If he goes, he goes, no great loss and a player who should never, ever, ever be wearing the Aston Villa number 9 shirt.
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Very disappointed with Sinclair, thought he was going to be a bigger player for us. If he's happy to go let him off.
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I'm disappointed because I think there is more to Sinclair. The change in manager when he signed was a disaster for him and playing in a struggling team that can't keep hold of the ball - well even Benteke struggled with that.
He has looked lost at times, so maybe it is best for all concerned. I've seen no evidence that he has a bad attitude.
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He's a bit of a nothing player.
Can't really see what he's that good at.
Better getting him off the books, although, he offers more than other players who are nowhere to be seen at the minute...
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great against County, fuck all really since. fuck the fucker
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If Swansea are buying him, just whose decision is it?
They only appointed a new manager yesterday?
If he goes, he goes, no great loss and a player who should never, ever, ever be wearing the Aston Villa number 9 shirt.
Four out of the last five Number 9s have been not quite what you want from a player wearing that shirt.
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I would not sell. He could be that player who comes on and wins us a game or two, a la nzogbia a couple of years ago. A sad inditement of our current squad maybe but can anyone name a player they would rather the ball drop to on the penalty spot? Westwood and Gana are balloon merchants, Ayew can finish brilliantly but seems to be a 1 in 3 shots sort of guy. Gestede and Kozak are anything but reliable and I cant remember the last time Gabby trapped a ball and sent it into the corner of the net. You could maybe put a case forward for Bacuna or Gil but I honestly think he is the best finisher we have got at the moment
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Probably the most inconsistent player I've seen at Villa in a long time. Another one that strikes me as not being these sharpest tool in the box. He seems so indecisive, both in possession of the ball and without it. Never sure whether to check his run, overlap the man with the ball, cut inside or outside. the problem is that his marker has usually read his next move before he's made his mind up and he's so easily dispossessed due to his weakness.
The home game v Watford sticks in the mind. At one point in the first half he picked the ball-up on the touchline, cut inside Nyom and stung the palms of the keeper from 25 yards. The next time he got the ball, he took a touch and played the ball 15 yards back to Ricahrdson, despite being in an almost identical position! When Garde spoke about some players "not picking up his message" Sinclair was one the first that sprung to mind, especially given the tempo and intensity that we've played with over the past 2 games.
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I think if we keep him he could score some important goals for us this season
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I'd let him go, he's had plenty of chances and he just doesn't cut it. I had high hopes for him at one point but doesn't offer anything.
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It all comes down to money and getting rid of the 'high' earners, ready for the championship!
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He's really not going to make the difference for us this season, and probably won't be with us if we take the drop.
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i think he has been a massive flop
And that's the top and bottom of it
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I'd say 'massive flop' is way over the top. We payed a couple of million tops for him and in his time at villa he's has a decent goalscoring record.
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I'd say 'massive flop' is way over the top. We payed a couple of million tops for him and in his time at villa he's has a decent goalscoring record.
Yeah but I still think he's been rubbish like a lot of others mind
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I'd say 'massive flop' is way over the top. We payed a couple of million tops for him and in his time at villa he's has a decent goalscoring record.
Agree. Massive flop is a bit ridiculous really.
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isn't he still our top scorer? He hasn't lived up the potential he showed at Swansea that's for sure, but last season he made some telling contributions in games and score some important goals. He hasn't been a massive flop.
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If his Mrs thinks Birmingham is bad wait till she gets to Swansea...
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Get rid
whats he actually done here .
Plays well for 12 minutes .
Would we miss him ? No
Get rid
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I'm disappointed because I think there is more to Sinclair. The change in manager when he signed was a disaster for him and playing in a struggling team that can't keep hold of the ball - well even Benteke struggled with that.
He has looked lost at times, so maybe it is best for all concerned. I've seen no evidence that he has a bad attitude.
It was a big chance given to him when he joined, but he hasn't taken it.
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He's in the starting line up tonight - not sure if that's any indication of him staying or going. No gabby though
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I'm disappointed because I think there is more to Sinclair. The change in manager when he signed was a disaster for him and playing in a struggling team that can't keep hold of the ball - well even Benteke struggled with that.
He has looked lost at times, so maybe it is best for all concerned. I've seen no evidence that he has a bad attitude.
It was a big chance given to him when he joined, but he hasn't taken it.
It never seems like it matters much to him. He does send my tosspot radar off, just like Dave Bentley used to. I dunno, maybe he's not but he just seems like a bit of show pony to me. The bare minimum sort. He comes in and treats it like a day job rather than a passion.
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He's been the best player for us tonight, albeit in a shocking display.
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I'd say 'massive flop' is way over the top. We payed a couple of million tops for him and in his time at villa he's has a decent goalscoring record.
Not sure myself but how much we will spend on wages if we don't get rid. Got a look at the whole cost
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Had a few very decent moments tonight but like most of the side tonight, wasn't good enough considering the level of opposition.
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Absolutely shite against 4th division opposition tonight.
If Swansea offer £2m I'd bite their fucking hands off.
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Sinclair...hahahaha.
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I thought he did ok tonight.
He still aint good enough though.
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Typical modern day footballer, plays the game not very well and plays it as a way of earning an income, without any passion and minimum effort and I get the feeling he would struggle to tell you the color shirt he plays in, because he just does not care.
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If Swansea want him so much they can offer silly money, anything over 4m and it is worth selling. Bearing in mind Grabban had played about 5 times for Norwich, is older and has a less impressive record, but Bournemouth paid 7. 2m would be an insult.
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According to the papers this morning, he's Newcastle's back-up option because they don't want to go to £14m for Townsend from Spurs.
If they're willing to pay £10m for Townsend, they can also cough up more than £2m for Sinclair.
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He's decent enough. I don't see the point in selling now. Even if we go down, he'd still fetch £2-£3 million regardless if we sold him and would likely terrorise the Championship if we didn't.
Definitely don't sell him to a relegation rival while there's still a slim chance of survival.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/helen-flanagan-showcases-ombre-hair-7614793
Happy birthday Scott. After a long and arduous and hard working campaign you deserve it mate.
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He must be seriously crap in training if he still can't get a game.
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Let's be honest playing football isn't a huge priority for him anymore.
That's why I'm amazed anyone is pining their hopes on him being a key player for us in the championship.
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I forgot he was still here.
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He will be moved on. Another waste of space.
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Let's be honest playing football isn't a huge priority for him anymore.
That's why I'm amazed anyone is pining their hopes on him being a key player for us in the championship.
I don't agree with you. I think Sinclair tries hard when he plays, he's just not an out and out striker, therefore becomes a player we can't really accommodate. He may prove me wrong in the championship when defences aren't so quick.
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Sinclair is just lucky our squad is full of players more deserving of our hatred.
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Let's be honest playing football isn't a huge priority for him anymore.
That's why I'm amazed anyone is pining their hopes on him being a key player for us in the championship.
I don't agree with you. I think Sinclair tries hard when he plays, he's just not an out and out striker, therefore becomes a player we can't really accommodate. He may prove me wrong in the championship when defences aren't so quick.
He's not an out and out anything, that's the problem. He's not a winger because he can't cross, he can't really beat his man and he isn't great at cutting in and getting a shot away and he's not a forward becuase, like most of our attackers, his movement is dire and he's rubbish with his back to goal so he's a good finisher, he's a reasonably tidy passer and he's reasonably quick (but doesn't really make much from his pace).
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Let's be honest playing football isn't a huge priority for him anymore.
That's why I'm amazed anyone is pining their hopes on him being a key player for us in the championship.
I don't agree with you. I think Sinclair tries hard when he plays, he's just not an out and out striker, therefore becomes a player we can't really accommodate. He may prove me wrong in the championship when defences aren't so quick.
Do you really think he'll be that motivated in the championship though?
The Man. City move has made him for life and with the story above he has the lifestyle he wants now aswell.
I'd get shot of him.
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And where the bloody hell has his missus been hiding, that's what I'd like to know.
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I forgot he was still here.
me too, another huge let down after a good spell on loan last season
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The problem is that he doesn't really fit in to this current line up because he doesn't specialize in any particular art. However, for the Championship I think he's a good squad player and will chip in with goals here and there. He really isn't a bad player but is probably a championship player.
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Have we got insights from anywhere on the Internet about how he managed to score all those goals in the Championship last time? Surely he can't be too shit for that level if he was that prolific. Though I suppose that was five years ago and his motivation levels may have been completely different back then.
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A good example of where it all went wrong. Should never have been signed and now we are bloody stuck with him.
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His wages will be too high to warrant keeping him in the Champ I think. That said I think Moyes and perhaps Pearson might get something out of him. To be fair to him, Sherwood never wanted him and Garde is just the least inspiring manager we've had in a long time. He could, if properly motivated, tear that league to shreds. It's a big if of course, and ultimately given his wages he'll be on the exit list. I would think 1-2 low end Prem sides might fancy him. At least on loan.
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Utter Donkey Spunk again today. This guy is useless. Get rid for any fee.
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Have we got insights from anywhere on the Internet about how he managed to score all those goals in the Championship last time? Surely he can't be too shit for that level if he was that prolific. Though I suppose that was five years ago and his motivation levels may have been completely different back then.
I think he is just young, rich, made for life and cant be arsed. He doesnt give a flying fvck about us and footy in general. I bet my mortgage he doesnt even like the game.
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Have we got insights from anywhere on the Internet about how he managed to score all those goals in the Championship last time? Surely he can't be too shit for that level if he was that prolific. Though I suppose that was five years ago and his motivation levels may have been completely different back then.
I think he is just young, rich, made for life and cant be arsed. He doesnt give a flying fvck about us and footy in general. I bet my mortgage he doesnt even like the game.
I think that's harsh, I think he does try, he's just got no confidence in himself after man city so he hides if things aren't going for him. He's still useless but I don't think it's because he doesn't want to play.
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Didn't Dave from Bath's mate (who knows Sinclair) say that he has little interest in playing?
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He appears to have very little motivation or interest in playing a game he is paid exceedingly well for.When is his contract up?
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Stephen Ireland mark 2, I play because they pay me, but if i dont play I still get paid, win win.
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I mentioned on the Newcastle post match thread - I actually watched him from the KO (I have an on going discussion with someone next to me who rates him but feels he is played in the wrong positions) and he took 13 minutes before he actually touched the ball!
He is a charlatan in the way he hides in a game and then has a 5 min burst to remind people he is still on the pitch then fades back into invisibility
Awful "nothing" player
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Agreed. Utterly invisible. Definitely isn't one who wants to grab the ball, force the issue. Weimann contributed more to the team than SS
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Dreadful waste of talent, inept attitude, a multi millionaire nonentity as a footballer, whose level is probably League 1.
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He's played the equivalent minutes of 28 league games in the last 4 years, he's semi retired and on a cushy number, he couldn't give a shit. We are easy money, come in do a few hours training, go home, turn up at the weekend, get beat, no worries no pressure no expectations, go home, count money, rinse and repeat.
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He makes a lot of runs off the ball and is rarely found because we don't have the ability to pass to him. After a while you stop making the runs.
I accept he is a bit lightweight but no manager has worked out where or how to play him.
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He makes a lot of runs off the ball and is rarely found because we don't have the ability to pass to him. After a while you stop making the runs.
I accept he is a bit lightweight but no manager has worked out where or how to play him.
I think all his previous managers have worked out where to play him - In someone else's team !
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Didn't Dave from Bath's mate (who knows Sinclair) say that he has little interest in playing?
When he was a 19 year old kid he said he was quite happy being paid ten grand per week to drive round London in his Range Rover.
Whether the 27 year old version still feels the same as he did back then is anybody's guess.
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Stephen Ireland mark 2, I play because they pay me, but if i dont play I still get paid, win win.
Ireland broke his leg last week. That was definitely a win-win for me.
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Stephen Ireland mark 2, I play because they pay me, but if i dont play I still get paid, win win.
Ireland broke his leg last week. That was definitely a win-win for me.
Dear God just how many useless overpaid tosspots have passed through our doors inrecent years , just the mention of Ireland's name makes me think of Chome plated cars and not football.
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it makes me think of double page spreads in numerous lifestyle magazines that focussed on his and his squeeze's appalling lack of taste in home décor and motor vehicles - the prerequisite being that they had to be pink. The sheer vulgarity of most contemporary footballers is breath-taking. A total tool.
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If I knew how to do it I would put up a poll inviting guesses who would be the first of our wretches to produce the stock tabloid headline MY VILLA HELL. My money would be on Flowerpot Man but it could easily be Sinclair.
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I don't think Sinclair could be bothered doing an interview now, he'll just move along in a season or two and populate someone elses bench whilst they try to find a position that suits him.
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Stephen Ireland mark 2, I play because they pay me, but if i dont play I still get paid, win win.
Ireland broke his leg last week. That was definitely a win-win for me.
Stephen Ireland.
One of the few fuckers who hasn't had 'his say' publshed on the demise of our club.
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Didn't Dave from Bath's mate (who knows Sinclair) say that he has little interest in playing?
When he was a 19 year old kid he said he was quite happy being paid ten grand per week to drive round London in his Range Rover.
Whether the 27 year old version still feels the same as he did back then is anybody's guess.
Well, I for one am going to guess that if anything he's even worse now.
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He makes a lot of runs off the ball and is rarely found because we don't have the ability to pass to him. After a while you stop making the runs.
I accept he is a bit lightweight but no manager has worked out where or how to play him.
His best position is playing on the left, cutting in on his right foot.
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Off to Celtic apparently. Another one we won't miss.
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This must be what it feels like having an enema.
NZogbia, Sinclair, Richardson, Guzan, Gana and Clark out, Possibly Sanchez out soon also.
Brilliant.
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Feels like an empty bowel every time you read another crap villa player has left.
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Wish they'd given RM number 9. Sinclair will be gone before we know it.
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This must be what it feels like having an enema.
NZogbia, Sinclair, Richardson, Guzan, Gana and Clark out, Possibly Sanchez out soon also.
Brilliant.
More like having a starver.
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The number 9 shirt at Villa is symbolic. Shame on Paul Lambert for not registering this previously. I hope RDM and Dr Xia recognise this and let our incoming striker signing, be that Kodjia, Hernandez et al know how revered the shirt is. It is most certainly a selling point in my opinion.
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Wish they'd given RM number 9. Sinclair will be gone before we know it.
McCormack worw 44 at Fulham too, so I assume it's some sort of lucky number for him and he chose it.
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We're getting rid of a lot now, which is good.
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So hopefully a new and proper no. 9 coming in?
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Wish they'd given RM number 9. Sinclair will be gone before we know it.
McCormack worw 44 at Fulham too, so I assume it's some sort of lucky number for him and he chose it.i
It's cause of his Nan he wears 44
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Ross better live up to his billing. His number is "Droopy Drawers" in Bingo calling.
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The only downside I can think of if Sinclair goes.
Actually that may be why he looks so not interested in the pitch
(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Helen_Flanagan_1647273a.jpg)
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Wish they'd given RM number 9. Sinclair will be gone before we know it.
McCormack worw 44 at Fulham too, so I assume it's some sort of lucky number for him and he chose it.i
It's cause of his Nan he wears 44
Why? Was she a hotshot striker too?
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The only downside I can think of if Sinclair goes.
Actually that may be why he looks so not interested in the pitch
(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Helen_Flanagan_1647273a.jpg)
FUCK ME RIGID!!! Is that ross McCormacks nan!!!!
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Wish they'd given RM number 9. Sinclair will be gone before we know it.
McCormack worw 44 at Fulham too, so I assume it's some sort of lucky number for him and he chose it.i
It's cause of his Nan he wears 44
I hope that's not her age. Talk about teenage mothers.
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At the Brizzle Rovers game Scotty took some good natured ribbing about Celtic and the hotness of his Missus.
He seems to have a decent sense of humour
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I think his missus would probably create more for the strikers than he ever did .
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Certainly not our worst player, and at times looked half decent ,
think he'll do ok in Scotland, Good luck to him.
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He'll enjoy Scotland, very little competition, very little effort required, new City for his missus to shop in. Crap player.
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He'll enjoy Scotland, very little competition, very little effort required, new City for his missus to shop in. Crap player.
Crisp packet player.
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At the Brizzle Rovers game Scotty took some good natured ribbing about Celtic and the hotness of his Missus.
He seems to have a decent sense of humour
Do those fans realise who his missus is? Hot she aint
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I am disappointed. I think he was one of our better players last season (not a tough competition to win obviously) and I think he would have been very good for us in the league we are now in.
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I am disappointed. I think he was one of our better players last season (not a tough competition to win obviously) and I think he would have been very good for us in the league we are now in.
I agree, but then he could have been one of the main couldn't-give-an-effers and so we would need to lose him. Good player though.
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The only downside I can think of if Sinclair goes.
Actually that may be why he looks so not interested in the pitch
(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Helen_Flanagan_1647273a.jpg)
FUCK ME RIGID!!! Is that ross McCormacks nan!!!!
Haha! Very good.
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He's a talented player, but far too inconsistent and/or lazy. That said I wish him well, for me he isn't in with the tossers group from last season, and he gave us this which was ace!
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The only downside I can think of if Sinclair goes.
Actually that may be why he looks so not interested in the pitch
(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Helen_Flanagan_1647273a.jpg)
FUCK ME RIGID!!! Is that ross McCormacks nan!!!!
Fucks sake don't let Wayne Rooney know!
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Did Helen attend many matches at Villa Park ?
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He's a talented player, but far too inconsistent and/or lazy. That said I wish him well, for me he isn't in with the tossers group from last season, and he gave us this which was ace!
Fair play. I forgot that goal. Like a lot of others he looked decent initially under Tim but quickly fell back. Will retire with a shed load of cash but with the thought he had the talent to be better. Going to Celtic is the graveyeard slot for wasted talent before the MLS beckons
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Being suggested that Sinclair will join Celtic for £3.5m. Should be completed over the weekend.
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Did Helen attend many matches at Villa Park ?
she was at a few early in the season, middle tier of the trinity by the north stand with the baby. i only know this because we spent most of the game looking at her
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The only downside I can think of if Sinclair goes.
Actually that may be why he looks so not interested in the pitch
(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Helen_Flanagan_1647273a.jpg)
FUCK ME RIGID!!! Is that ross McCormacks nan!!!!
Genuine LOL at that.
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At the Brizzle Rovers game Scotty took some good natured ribbing about Celtic and the hotness of his Missus.
He seems to have a decent sense of humour
Do those fans realise who his missus is? Hot she aint
You're nuts.
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unless you're Stevie Wonder that's hot - certainly hotter than July
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At the Brizzle Rovers game Scotty took some good natured ribbing about Celtic and the hotness of his Missus.
He seems to have a decent sense of humour
Do those fans realise who his missus is? Hot she aint
I'm with you. Wouldn't say no but wouldn't say she was hot either. She was before all the surgery, weight loss and pouting though.
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Done deal according to Glasgow Evening Times £4.5m.
I wouldn't of minded him staying, if I'm honest because for me he is good enough for the championship and I think we are short on wide players but I trust RDM.
Good luck Scott shame things didn't work out differently.
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Hotter than the fires of hell. *
* Dons dirty old Mac.
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That's a good bit of business if the fee is correct.
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I'm in the boat that he would've done well in the Championship without necessarily being super-committed, but if it's 4.5 million, it's pretty good business. I mean, that's most of the way to covering the fee for Tshibola.
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I'm absolutely astonished we've pulled in nearly £10m off Clark and Sinclair, we should be made to wear masks and stripey shirts.
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At the Brizzle Rovers game Scotty took some good natured ribbing about Celtic and the hotness of his Missus.
He seems to have a decent sense of humour
Do those fans realise who his missus is? Hot she aint
I'm with you. Wouldn't say no but wouldn't say she was hot either. She was before all the surgery, weight loss and pouting though.
What about her mind chaps? , come on lets be deeper than this ! nice boobies mind :o
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At the Brizzle Rovers game Scotty took some good natured ribbing about Celtic and the hotness of his Missus.
He seems to have a decent sense of humour
Do those fans realise who his missus is? Hot she aint
I'm with you. Wouldn't say no but wouldn't say she was hot either. She was before all the surgery, weight loss and pouting though.
What about her mind chaps? , come on lets be deeper than this ! nice boobies mind :o
This thread needs a poll.
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I'm absolutely astonished we've pulled in nearly £10m off Clark and Sinclair, we should be made to wear masks and stripey shirts.
Very nice to see us pulling in a bit of money for average players. Its a shame regarding Sinclair, there is a player in there somewhere but we just didn't see it often enough.
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We've been Tottenham esq in our lot of money for old rope this summer.
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At the Brizzle Rovers game Scotty took some good natured ribbing about Celtic and the hotness of his Missus.
He seems to have a decent sense of humour
Do those fans realise who his missus is? Hot she aint
I'm with you. Wouldn't say no but wouldn't say she was hot either. She was before all the surgery, weight loss and pouting though.
What about her mind chaps? , come on lets be deeper than this ! nice boobies mind :o
This thread needs a poll.
This thread needs to pull.
No, wait! This thread needs a pull.
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I could quite happily debate the implications of Brexit with her.
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I could quite happily debate the implications of Brexit with her.
well now she will be residing in scotland her stance may have changed ;)
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I'd rather be quizzing her about her positional sense
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Sinclair was great at running with the ball, heading for three defenders, losing it, then doing some sort of half-arsed sprint to not win it back.
£2m profit...... happy days!
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Not sad to see him leave to be honest. Other than the goal against Albion and a hat trick against county nothing springs to mind
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I wouldn't have minded him staying but I'm equally not worried about him leaving. Good business at 4m and a decent move for all parties.
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I wouldn't have minded him staying but I'm equally not worried about him leaving. Good business at 4m and a decent move for all parties.
Been a good week. 5 mill for Clark and 4 for Sinclair, fantastic business. Twitter in Italy saying Sanchez deal done too, I stole that bit of info though to be fair. Loan to buy option.
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I'm absolutely astonished we've pulled in nearly £10m off Clark and Sinclair, we should be made to wear masks and stripey shirts.
or play in Lincoln green
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I have to say I was very surprised at just how poor he was for us, completely ineffectual. To get a fee of that magnitude for him is great work.
No doubt he will do well up in Scotland though.
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every now and then he would go on a little run that normally came to nothing but just enough to make you think he might cause some problems only to melt away into blandness
But for me his biggest problem by far was he had no link up play, he never a partnership with anyone and was on no ones wavelength
if we are to get out of this division the most important thing will be for McCormack, Ayew and Grealish to start read each other and start linking up the same way as Benteke, Delph and Grealish did at times under Sherwood,
Sinclair was never going to do that, for me he was a big disappointment overall
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Certainly has a bit of skill and an eye for goal and by all accounts a decent guy but just rarely had any consistency to his play for us. Would drift out of games all too easily and when he did get the ball would often take the wrong option and wander down a blind alley.
He didn't look comfortable on the wing or when he was paired up front. Watching him and Rudy together against Stoke at home last season with nothing in the way of anticipation or understanding was torturous.
May well have done a job for us in this division but like a clutch of others still at the club, the winning mentality isn't strong enough in him so a move is probably best all-round.
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Has he gone then? Either way, he's another player who's found the absolute minimum of effort needed to keep the gravy train a-rolling. Pay-off from us, a big signing-on fee from them, two years of flattering to deceive up there and he'll get another newly-promoted to, or relegated from, the Premier League club who'll think he can do a job for them. Pay-off from Celtic, signing-on fee from his next club. And so on until the next new league somewhere in the world that's offering big money for veterans calls.
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Yep ta ra a bit. Done deal on a 4 year contract. Another player who showed it on occasion but most of the time completely anonymous.
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/scott-sinclair-delighted-completes-celtic-8573460#huEzMMtBpOso6lW1.97
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Good deal for us, well done for holding out for the amount we got. Wyness I presume? Well done you.
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Has he gone then? Either way, he's another player who's found the absolute minimum of effort needed to keep the gravy train a-rolling. Pay-off from us, a big signing-on fee from them, two years of flattering to deceive up there and he'll get another newly-promoted to, or relegated from, the Premier League club who'll think he can do a job for them. Pay-off from Celtic, signing-on fee from his next club. And so on until the next new league somewhere in the world that's offering big money for veterans calls.
Yep that'll be his career path. We've done pretty well to get nearly double what we paid for him.
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Bye then Scott thanks for the goals against the Boggies and erm that's about it.
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Think he's done pretty well for us overall, but was a bit dire last season (as were most to be fair). Clearly not in the manager's plans. Am starting to think if he likes wingers? ::)
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Think he's done pretty well for us overall, but was a bit dire last season (as were most to be fair). Clearly not in the manager's plans. Am starting to think if he likes wingers? ::)
We don't know yet but Sinclair was nothing like a winger for us. I'm amazed we've got a reasonable fee for him.
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Just glad we managed to re-coup some of his wages from what we made on the transfer, another big time Charlie departs. Good bye Mr Flanagan
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Good riddance Scott. You were shite for us.
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Bye.
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I thought he was fucking abysmal. Lightweight, no particular talent. Good fucking riddance. Stupid haircut, too.
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The fact that we've received good fees for Clark and Sinclair, in my view, reflects the fact that the club is being sensible about transfers going both in and out, in terms of actually thinking about how these players might be valued in the market. If it were up to people on this forum, both would have been sold for peanuts, because apparently dumping an entire squad in one window is the best way to react to an (admittedly) terrible season.
I get that it may well not be worth haggling over the actual troublemakers, but for the players who aren't any trouble apart from maybe being not so good on the pitch (those two, and the likes of Westwood and Hutton should they receive any interest in the future), there was never any reason to be silly.
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Got the impression he didn't want to be at Villa, and made no effort to have a real go. Could have been great, wasn't.
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Another one where football is a means to an end rather than likes to play for the love of the game, won't be missed. Cheerio
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The epitome of the modern day footballer who along with his agent is intent on ripping a fortune out of the game. An utter waste if space and yet clubs continue to sign him.
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Of those to attempt 60+ dribbles, only 2 had a worse success rate than Sinclair (37.7%) in the Premier League last season – stat from WhoScored.com
£3.5m is great work. If we've squeezed £4.5m out of them, then that's outstanding.
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Got the impression he didn't want to be at Villa, and made no effort to have a real go. Could have been great, wasn't.
I get the impression he's not too bothered about whoever he plays for. He gets his paycheck and to hell with whether or not he's earned it during the week. File under David Bentley.
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Got the impression he didn't want to be at Villa, and made no effort to have a real go. Could have been great, wasn't.
I get the impression he's not too bothered about whoever he plays for. He gets his paycheck and to hell with whether or not he's earned it during the week. File under David Bentley.
I do see what your saying and di agree with you, but I thought he had some talent, but far to infrequent , so not a great lose.
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A footballer who finds playing football a bit of an Inconvenience.
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Good to see the back of another one who contributed nothing last season and played a big part in making it the worst Villa team in history.At times i honestly forgot he was actually playing Goodbye
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Gone from Villa but SligoTom will still have to put up with Scotty at Celtic :)
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Didn't exactly bust a gut for us did he?
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He's one of those players who looks great in YouTube compilations and on the odd occasion just tears a shit full back apart. But when you have him in your side week after week you see how overall he is very average. And he really hasn't progressed either from his earlier promise and became very comfortable with his lot in life. It's why I have such huge admiration for a player like Ronaldo because while he might be dislikeable as an individual you cannot deny the intensity of his dedication to becoming the best he can be. He could very well have rested on the talent that he already had when he started to make a name for himself at Sporting or at Man U but he didn't.
Scott Sinclair will no doubt play for a couple of seasons at Celtic before him or his Mrs angle for move back to the lights of London. Another pay day and a life secured financially.
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He's one of those players who looks great in YouTube compilations and on the odd occasion just tears a shit full back apart. But when you have him in your side week after week you see how overall he is very average. And he really hasn't progressed either from his earlier promise and became very comfortable with his lot in life. It's why I have such huge admiration for a player like Ronaldo because while he might be dislikeable as an individual you cannot deny the intensity of his dedication to becoming the best he can be. He could very well have rested on the talent that he already had when he started to make a name for himself at Sporting or at Man U but he didn't.
Scott Sinclair will no doubt play for a couple of seasons at Celtic before him or his Mrs angle for move back to the lights of London. Another pay day and a life secured financially.
QPR next would be my guess.
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Has he had a hard life? He looks very old in the face. Not far from Sammy Davis Jr at his wrinkly best.
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He's one of those players who looks great in YouTube compilations and on the odd occasion just tears a shit full back apart. But when you have him in your side week after week you see how overall he is very average. And he really hasn't progressed either from his earlier promise and became very comfortable with his lot in life. It's why I have such huge admiration for a player like Ronaldo because while he might be dislikeable as an individual you cannot deny the intensity of his dedication to becoming the best he can be. He could very well have rested on the talent that he already had when he started to make a name for himself at Sporting or at Man U but he didn't.
Scott Sinclair will no doubt play for a couple of seasons at Celtic before him or his Mrs angle for move back to the lights of London. Another pay day and a life secured financially.
Yep, I didn't want him when he came on loan because it felt like a bad deal. He then did better than I expected but it was still a case of a few goals masking how poor he was and I'd have loved us to have cancelled the transfer. last September I decided that we might as well try to get something out of him and just stick him in the bow where his finishing might be enough but I never really expected much from him. Looks to me like a player who's been over-coached and is completely stuck in "play it safe" mode which means he just has no effect on the game. To play in the sort of positions he plays you have to take some risks and he's totally unwilling to do it.
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And just scored
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Finishing simple chances is the one real strength he has so it's no shock that he's scored, he'll get a fair few for them but his all round game isn't good enough for the premier league and even in the Championship you'd have the problem of him offering very little other than a handful of goals. I'm not sure we can carry a 'winger' who is there as a finisher so no regrets that he's gone.
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Think he's done pretty well for us overall, but was a bit dire last season (as were most to be fair). Clearly not in the manager's plans. Am starting to think if he likes wingers? ::)
We don't know yet but Sinclair was nothing like a winger for us. I'm amazed we've got a reasonable fee for him.
How much did we get for him???
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it varies - today it is £3.5m
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Still say he was decent and made a difference up top in the cup run and during his early league games. Problem is he just wasn't up for a fight which is what we needed last season and will likely need this season too.
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Got the winner today
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Got the winner today in Scotland
Fixed
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So Brendan Rogers is claiming that we didn't want him to go, but Sinclair made it clear he wanted to leave. Make of that what you will.
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So Brendan Rogers is claiming that we didn't want him to go, but Sinclair made it clear he wanted to leave. Make of that what you will.
Brendan Rodgers doesn't know shit from clay.
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So Brendan Rogers is claiming that we didn't want him to go, but Sinclair made it clear he wanted to leave. Make of that what you will.
What I make of it is that he's gone and I don't give a stuff why. It might be true. It might be Rogers playing to the Parkhead gallery making it look like he's pulled of a masterstroke landing him against our will or it might just be cobblers and Sinclair is happily counting whatever "loyalty" payment he's picked up from us, plus his signing on bonus up there, plus his £X0,000 a week contract.
An absolute nothing player, unless repeatedly running down dead ends is some desirable skill I've missed out on.The biggest mystery for me is why Man City ever signed him.
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I got 3 words for him. The same 3 words for the other departures this summer
No Great Loss.
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it chimes with something I half read over the weekend where he said something like 'I just had to get out' or some such bollocks.
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To pep up their WAGS lounge at a guess VID.
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So Brendan Rogers is claiming that we didn't want him to go, but Sinclair made it clear he wanted to leave. Make of that what you will.
Yeah right. Good luck to him, but I'm glad he's gone. Another waste of space.
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So Brendan Rogers is claiming that we didn't want him to go, but Sinclair made it clear he wanted to leave. Make of that what you will.
Yeah right. Good luck to him, but I'm glad he's gone. Another waste of space.
Yep well Brendan I was happy he went, so how about fuck off.
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On his goal for Celtic, he got in those positions reguarly for us, we had nobody who could pick out those crosses though.
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Scott has scored again. That makes it 5 games on the trot (not sure how many assists he has I saw he had one against Rangers the other week) - FFS
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Scott has scored again. That makes it 5 games on the trot (not sure how many assists he has I saw he had one against Rangers the other week) - FFS
If only he'd played really shit teams week after week with us.
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The standard up there is so shit it's hardly worth looking at. Losing 7-0 to Barcelona really isn't that embarrassing for Celtic because they really are that shit. Sinclair has joined a team that wouldn't be out of place in League One. Oh, and we got over four mill for him!
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He's one of many, many players from the last few years whom you'll struggle to remember ever played for us when it comes up on Internet quizzes.
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Scott has scored again. That makes it 5 games on the trot (not sure how many assists he has I saw he had one against Rangers the other week) - FFS
If only he'd played really shit teams week after week with us.
He would have done if he had stayed.
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Sinclair has scored the same number of goals in that league this season as Louis Moult of Motherwell and one less than Liam Boyce of Ross County - and I have no idea who either of them are!
I think I'll stick with our current striking options than worry about what Scott Sinclair might have done for us this season...
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I can't quite believe anyone is pining for that work shy fop. And apart from that fact, we have an abundance of attacking talent, we just appear to still have a bit of a fragile spine and a manager that currently doesn't appear to know what team to put out or how to play.
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Was desperate to get rid of him and glad he's gone. Time waster who belongs in Scotland.
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Sinclair has scored the same number of goals in that league this season as Louis Moult of Motherwell and one less than Liam Boyce of Ross County - and I have no idea who either of them are!
I think I'll stick with our current striking options than worry about what Scott Sinclair might have done for us this season...
Bloody hell, Louis Moult? Last saw him trundling around non-league pitches for Nuneaton.
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Last post on this thread was Sept 2016. Have to say Scott has been in blistering form for Celtic. I think he'd have done well in the Championship. Scoring for fun up there. There's even whispers of an England call-up. Once again a player moved on too early. Symptomatic of the previous regime ruining a decent player. Albrighton, Veretout, Sinclair, Bannan all thriving elsewhere.
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Sinclair is shit. The league he plays in is even shitter.
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Beat me to it, Lee. It tells you all you need to know about the quality of the Scottish Premier that Scott Sinclair looks decent in it. A shite, half-arsed waste of space.
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If Scott Sinclair plays for England I'll start to consider that my dream of pulling on the white shirt is still alive.
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Too right. Come to think of it I'm starting to wonder if I could get a game for Celtic.
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The league is, undoubtedly, inferior, even compared our division let alone the English top flight.
However, I think if he'd been as good for us as he was for Celtic he could have been a big asset.
He rarely was anywhere near that good for us, though, and hadn't been that good since he left Swansea... the last time he played under Rodgers.
We got good money for him, and he seems to have had a new lease of life up there. Win-win for both parties and time to move on.
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Rodgers got the best out of him at Swansea and is doing the same at Celtic. I'd rather have Sinclair playing than the likes of Gardner; he was an embarrassment when he came on against Norwich.
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Yet Gardner would look like Zidane if he played for Celtic.
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Rodgers got the best out of him at Swansea and is doing the same at Celtic. I'd rather have Sinclair playing than the likes of Gardner; he was an embarrassment when he came on against Norwich.
Real like-for-like comparison there.
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Nowt against Sinclair thriving, he needed to get the love back in his tummy for footy. I hope he treated Helen and the babby to a nice dinner in one of Sauciehall's finest diners. Meanwhile amongst our other recently-departed attacking alumni poor Rudy missed a last-gasp sitter to win a relly-six-pointer while our Jordan on the other team didn't seem to have progressed since his last moody performance for us. And Ross was resting his fat stores in his gated premises.
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The ting with Sinclair is that he's a decent finisher so if you can find a way to get the ball to him in the box he'll get a decent number of goals, even for us his record was reasonable (1 in 5) for someone who was down as a winger. The problems are that he can't really beat a man, he can't cross, he doesn't time his runs particularly well and he's neither particularly strong or particularly fast meaning he has literally nothing to explain how he has over 100 premier league appearances to his name. Take him to a lower standard (or against poorer sides in cups) and his finishing ability in the box comes to the fore and he scores for fun (6 of the 9 he scored for us were lower league team cup ties). Yes he's doing well for Celtic and he probably would've been ok for us this year but he's still a very limited player.
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Yet Gardner would look like Zidane if he played for Celtic.
It's a terrible League. Scottish Football Governance need to do something about restoring some competition.
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Rodgers got the best out of him at Swansea and is doing the same at Celtic. I'd rather have Sinclair playing than the likes of Gardner; he was an embarrassment when he came on against Norwich.
I'd take them both.
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I think he would have done well in the Championship, don't think he would cut it at a higher level.
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Sinclair's a flat track bully, most of his goals for us were against weak sides in the cup and also got 2 v Sunderland. Gestede would get 20 goals for Celtic.
He's done very well out of Football given he isn't hugely passionate about it given Dave's ITK about him on here.
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Sinclair's a flat track bully, most of his goals for us were against weak sides in the cup and also got 2 v Sunderland. Gestede would get 20 goals for Celtic.
He's done very well out of Football given he isn't hugely passionate about it given Dave's ITK about him on here.
Wouldn't mind climbing into bed with who's waiting for him every night though!
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He scored in 6 games for us, 5 were against PL sides. He's an ok player, nothing more but Rodgers does seem to get the best out of him. Happens sometimes, Heskey was the same with Houllier.
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Absolute fanny who smashes the equivalent of non league football. He's shit and has a heart the size of a hamsters cock. I;m not interested in seeing his ilk in the Villa Kit ever again.
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Absolute fanny who smashes the equivalent of non league football. He's shit and has a heart the size of a hamsters cock. I;m not interested in seeing his ilk in the Villa Kit ever again.
Pretty much my view on him. Plus he's got a stupid dyed buffon. I can't say I miss him.
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The ting with Sinclair is that he's a decent finisher so if you can find a way to get the ball to him in the box he'll get a decent number of goals, even for us his record was reasonable (1 in 5) for someone who was down as a winger. The problems are that he can't really beat a man, he can't cross, he doesn't time his runs particularly well and he's neither particularly strong or particularly fast meaning he has literally nothing to explain how he has over 100 premier league appearances to his name. Take him to a lower standard (or against poorer sides in cups) and his finishing ability in the box comes to the fore and he scores for fun (6 of the 9 he scored for us were lower league team cup ties). Yes he's doing well for Celtic and he probably would've been ok for us this year but he's still a very limited player.
Pretty much it, really. Had a good first season for Swansea in the PL but then made a silly career move. Given that he scored 19 goals the last time he played in the Championship and we've complained a lot about not scoring enough goals, can't really turn a nose up at him, but it was probably the best for all parties to have moved on for a decent fee last summer.
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We got a bit of money back for him (something of a rarity over the last 7/8 years), he didn't lie or embarrass us to leave, he's helped my second club to six titles in a row (and hopefully ten eventually).
No bad feeling from me.
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He'd have been OK in the championship for us this season if he stayed. He's obviously found his level.
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Is this anything to do with that Celtic player who destroyed Hearts on Sunday - Scott sink-ler ?
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Gardner would look like de bruyne in that league
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Sinclair always struck me as someone who liked the idea of being a pro footballer but couldn't really be arsed in the end and just about did enough to stay out of the firing line.
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Kolo Touré looks like Paul McGrath in that league - it really is a bag of wank.
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He's a very gifted footballer in my opinion. Attitude possibly questionable under certain managers. But I'm pretty sure he would've cut it at our current level.
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Is this anything to do with that Celtic player who destroyed Hearts on Sunday - Scott sink-ler ?
I'm just amazed at the way Scot slims down from being reserve prop for England in order to play up front for Celtic
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A total fuck knuckle - even Bosko could have bagged a truck load of goals in Scotland
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I follow Celtic as my Scottish team, and he's looked good. But he'd have looked good in the championship as well. It's the step up after that where he struggles
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I'd have to say I think the Championship is stronger than the Scottish Premier in terms of its competitive edge.
Scott Sinclair looked rank ordinary in most games for us, but up there he's banging in goals for fun.
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Prefer him to Hogan.
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Scott Hogans played 400 minutes for us.
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Scott Hogans played 400 minutes for us.
With no service. No idea why Bruce signed him
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Well we will see next season.
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Helen Flanagan's husband is Scotland's Footballer Of The Year. The Scottish Premier League really must be akin to the Craggy Island five-a-side tournament.
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Partly, and partly he has improved. He looks better under Rodgers just as he did at Swansea. Even considering the fact that it's an inferior league, he's done well to win it ahead of Dembele.
Fair play to him.
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Him, Clark, Gana, Veretout, and others in the recent past - all buggered off and appear to have made improvements in new surroundings. Of course, they can't be totally absolved of blame for whatever they failed to do while with us, but we really do have this unfortunate habit of not getting the most out of players with some ability about them (as opposed to genuine hopeless cases.)
I suppose the counter-point is that the likes of Gestede and Ayew haven't been tearing up trees since they departed, in that it suggests of what a mixed bag things can be, but we're always going to be swimming against the tide if we can't develop players properly.
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He's shit and Scotland is Division one standard.
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Ayew did well on Sat.