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Title: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2015, 06:36:14 PM
May as well start a separate thread now it seems more than a rumour.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 06:38:21 PM
Attacking midfielder. We'll soon knock that out of him! Joking aside I know sod all about him, but hope that he is the new Messi. And at least Lambert has recognised what we need.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
Looks like a young Joe Cole. Clearly likes to run at defenders and attack open spaces. We have nobody like this at the club today so hopefully he is allowed to be the player he is and takes advantage of the possession football we are trying. We need players who can not only create but get into the box to help out the strikers.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: barrysleftfoot on January 11, 2015, 06:39:42 PM
 Enormous pressure on this kid.

 Hopefully hes the 1st of 3/4 QUALITY players to come in, as Gabby, Joe Cole and Cleverley, from yday, need replacing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2015, 06:40:45 PM
If you join Carles good luck and try and avoid having all your ability and nous being coached out of you.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: paulcomben on January 11, 2015, 06:42:19 PM
Sources in Spain report it's a done deal. Welcome to Villa, Signor Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2015, 06:42:52 PM
It also makes me sad that I can't get excited that we may be signing the right type of player, because we know the manager can't coach the team correctly.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2015, 06:44:12 PM
Not had much luck with Spaniards at Villa. The last two have been amongst the most technically inept the nation has produced. Surely third time lucky.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: curlytailavfc on January 11, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
lambo will soon ruin his career
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Matt C on January 11, 2015, 06:45:16 PM
4m euros apparently
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Stu on January 11, 2015, 06:45:26 PM


YouTube embedding tool isn't working for me.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 06:45:35 PM
Luna was alright on the ball I thought, it was the fact he was a defender who was crap at defending that was the problem. That's how it seemed to me anyway.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 06:47:03 PM
YouTube embedding tool isn't working for me.


You need to make sure it is http and not https. If it is https just remove the s.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
Welcome Carles.   Nice cheap name for the back of a shirt. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: dave shelley on January 11, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
Not had much luck with Spaniards at Villa. The last two have been amongst the most technically inept the nation has produced. Surely third time lucky.

I know I shouldn't but, that made me laugh.  Anyway, Carles; if you do arrive you will be welcome.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Legion on January 11, 2015, 06:47:48 PM
Attacking midfielder. We'll soon knock that out of him! Joking aside I know sod all about him, but hope that he is the new Messi. And at least Lambert has recognised what we need.

Stop nicking my jokes!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2015, 06:48:10 PM
He played at Elche too. I wonder if La Roca played with him?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2015, 06:50:26 PM
At least he's a creative player. I hope you outlast the manager.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
All the skills and no final ball apparently, from what I have read. Should slot in well...

Fingers crossed this isn't the case.

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Matt Collins on January 11, 2015, 06:51:30 PM
A groundless theory: carlos sanchez is very influential with Lambert

He's influenced a new style playing through sanchez and he's recommended this signing
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Stu on January 11, 2015, 06:51:55 PM
YouTube embedding tool isn't working for me.


You need to make sure it is http and not https. If it is https just remove the s.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: silhillvilla on January 11, 2015, 06:52:58 PM
He doesn't have a wiki page.
I'm trying to overlook this and stay upbeat .

Edit yes he does , spelt his name wrong  >:(
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2015, 06:53:30 PM

YouTube embedding tool isn't working for me.



You need to make sure it is http and not https. If it is https just remove the s.


a proper youtube embed just uses the video code so you get the url from the address bar and copy the bit after the = so:

Code: [Select]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB9WI39_Ds4

Gives you:

Code: [Select]
cB9WI39_Ds4

then you just free type the coding in to embed it:

Code: [Select]
[youtube]cB9WI39_Ds4[/youtube]

and you get:

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Sanchez is so influential Lambert took him off and replaced him with Richardson.   Maybe Sanchez was injured and I am talking out of my hat again.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2015, 06:58:02 PM
Looks like Sid's love child fathered on a mini break in Benidorm.   Certainly has the Sid physique.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 06:59:02 PM
He doesn't have a wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Gil
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: barrysleftfoot on January 11, 2015, 07:00:24 PM
 Looking at that video, i'm looking forward to his interplay with Gabby and Andi.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: andyh on January 11, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
It also makes me sad that I can't get excited that we may be signing the right type of player, because we know the manager can't coach the team correctly.
This,... and also that it means the manager will be staying on.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2015, 07:11:00 PM
Did it concern anyone else that in all of this highlights there isn't a single goal? We need goal contribution from midfield and Gil seems to play very well between the halfway line and the penalty area. He is a creator rather than a finisher, and I just hope we have the movement in our forward line to take advantage of his vision. But we still need someone who is going to get into the box and add a few goals. We have nobody in the side that does that, with the exception of Delph now and again.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Pete3206 on January 11, 2015, 07:11:09 PM
Looking at that video, i'm looking forward to his interplay with Gabby and Andi.

I'm hoping that he'll replace one of them
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2015, 07:11:14 PM
He doesn't have a wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Gil

Phew! I feel more confident that he is a good player now.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: exigo on January 11, 2015, 07:12:43 PM
Bienvenidos a Villa, Carlos. Tu tienes uno trabajo – para pasar el balon a Benteke.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 11, 2015, 07:13:57 PM
This money could have been used to ditch Lambert, pity
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: FrankyH on January 11, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
I know players need to adapt to the pace of the Premier league, but how long before Lambert throws him into the first team ?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: peter w on January 11, 2015, 07:15:34 PM
Well that video shows that he can pass sideways and backwards quite well when attacking. He'll fit right in.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: silhillvilla on January 11, 2015, 07:16:06 PM
He's not a goalscorer .

We need a lampard type .
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: andyh on January 11, 2015, 07:16:40 PM
Did it concern anyone else that in all of this highlights there isn't a single goal? We need goal contribution from midfield and Gil seems to play very well between the halfway line and the penalty area. He is a creator rather than a finisher, and I just hope we have the movement in our forward line to take advantage of his vision. But we still need someone who is going to get into the box and add a few goals. We have nobody in the side that does that, with the exception of Delph now and again.
KEA looked a world beater on his YouTube video.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: walsall villain on January 11, 2015, 07:17:07 PM
Bienvenidos a Villa, Carlos. Tu tienes uno trabajo – para pasar el balon a Benteke.
You might be the man to teach him the Spanish for "for fu##s sake Gabby, you can't just stand there"
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
Did it concern anyone else that in all of this highlights there isn't a single goal? We need goal contribution from midfield and Gil seems to play very well between the halfway line and the penalty area. He is a creator rather than a finisher, and I just hope we have the movement in our forward line to take advantage of his vision. But we still need someone who is going to get into the box and add a few goals. We have nobody in the side that does that, with the exception of Delph now and again.

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 07:23:01 PM
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: b23 on January 11, 2015, 07:23:09 PM
I know players need to adapt to the pace of the Premier league, but how long before Lambert throws him into the first team ?

He will go straight into the first eleven.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: exigo on January 11, 2015, 07:29:02 PM
KEA looked a world beater on his YouTube video.
I've got a YouTube video of me playing on the hallowed turf that makes me look like a world beater.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Matt Collins on January 11, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
Did it concern anyone else that in all of this highlights there isn't a single goal? We need goal contribution from midfield and Gil seems to play very well between the halfway line and the penalty area. He is a creator rather than a finisher, and I just hope we have the movement in our forward line to take advantage of his vision. But we still need someone who is going to get into the box and add a few goals. We have nobody in the side that does that, with the exception of Delph now and again.

Yes. Though there's a different highlights reel w some goals and assists. Not many though . .
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2015, 07:30:38 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: paulcomben on January 11, 2015, 07:32:17 PM
Looking at that video, i'm looking forward to his interplay with Gabby and Andi.

I'm hoping that he'll replace one of them


Looking at that video, I thought that's it for Weimann.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2015, 07:32:41 PM
I'm glad another player is coming in and he does look quite handy, but we don't play anywhere near the kind of football that those video's showed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
I'm glad another player is coming in and he does look quite handy, but we don't play anywhere near the kind of football that those video's showed.

We will be now though!

#Believe
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2015, 07:38:17 PM
I'm glad another player is coming in and he does look quite handy, but we don't play anywhere near the kind of football that those video's showed.

We will be now though!

#Believe

Project Lambert Rebuild is about to enter the crucial "stage 38.2", where the emphasis becomes "attacking the opposition goal".

#wegoagain
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 07:39:16 PM
#PrayForGoals
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Matt Collins on January 11, 2015, 07:39:32 PM
He does look talented but I'd be pleasantly surprised if he contributes too much this season

One goal and three assists last season for elche . .
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2015, 07:39:51 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

If true, and it ever gets to that point he'll have done really well with us. Hopefully by that stage we'll have identified the next Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: paulcomben on January 11, 2015, 07:42:02 PM
Can I be the first to say "Carles has helped us to change the way we play. So we were unlucky to lose his first three games here."
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 07:42:47 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

If true, and it ever gets to that point he'll have done really well with us. Hopefully by that stage we'll have identified the next Gil.

The only way it is a worry is if he is the next Messi. Otherwise i'm not going to worry that a club can buy him back for 3x what we paid as TV says, he will have had to have played very well for us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on January 11, 2015, 07:44:44 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

I'm not too bothered. We'd still make a profit if they did end up buying him back.

Shows Valencia still rate him though. Wonder if they wanted a higher fee, and we suggested this as a compromise?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2015, 07:46:33 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

If true, and it ever gets to that point he'll have done really well with us. Hopefully by that stage we'll have identified the next Gil.

The only way it is a worry is if he is the next Messi. Otherwise i'm not going to worry that a club can buy him back for 3x what we paid as TV says, he will have had to have played very well for us.

Next Messi?

Not really. We're talking about someone having an option at £9m or so, when we're paying £3-4m for him in the first place. It strikes me as a bit shortsighted.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 11, 2015, 07:49:25 PM
I'm fine with short-sighted as we've been blind at best the last few months. If this lad comes in and does a good job for a year or two and then gets sold back at a profit, it's not the end of the world. Particularly if he saves us getting relegated like Bent did.

If he didn't have that buy-back clause and was good, he'd fuck off to Liverpool or Man City like a rat off a sinking ship anyway. They all do.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2015, 07:52:50 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

Fine by me - if his value trebles he'll have done well for us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 07:53:26 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

If true, and it ever gets to that point he'll have done really well with us. Hopefully by that stage we'll have identified the next Gil.

The only way it is a worry is if he is the next Messi. Otherwise i'm not going to worry that a club can buy him back for 3x what we paid as TV says, he will have had to have played very well for us.

Next Messi?

Not really. We're talking about someone having an option at £9m or so, when we're paying £3-4m for him in the first place. It strikes me as a bit shortsighted.

I mean the only concern is if he is so good that he is worth a lot more than the buyback price.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 11, 2015, 07:54:36 PM
I want to be enthusiastic about it, I really do...but I can't for a couple of reasons:

1 - why has he joined us? If he was any good, would somebody else not have signed him?
2 - Lambert doesn't really have a good record when signing players

However, hopefully I'm talking complete shit and being the complete pessimist. Here's to the next Messi joining Villa!

Looking at it in a different light, if he can pass, then he's a step up. If he can control a ball, he's a step up. If he can control and then pass to one of his own players, it's 10 steps up. If he can run whilst doing that, he's the best player in the club by a mile. Anything else, like shooting, is a bonus!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2015, 07:55:20 PM
Buy back option? Can't say I have heard of that one before. Anyone know of any examples of this?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2015, 07:57:01 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

If true, and it ever gets to that point he'll have done really well with us. Hopefully by that stage we'll have identified the next Gil.

The only way it is a worry is if he is the next Messi. Otherwise i'm not going to worry that a club can buy him back for 3x what we paid as TV says, he will have had to have played very well for us.

Next Messi?

Not really. We're talking about someone having an option at £9m or so, when we're paying £3-4m for him in the first place. It strikes me as a bit shortsighted.

As long as they get the right players, I'll forgive them erring a little on any deal. Besides, the but back clause may have what has persuaded them to do the deal right now, and by God our needs are pressing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 11, 2015, 07:57:14 PM
Arsenal had one on Fabregas, loads of Spanish clubs like Barcelona and Madrid do it for their young players.

The problem here is patience and time is needed for him and we haven't got it.

Think to Sanchez's performances in September compared to December, you need a good few months to pick up the pace here properly so that will be an issue.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Leighton on January 11, 2015, 07:57:38 PM
We could sign Pele and we'd still be dross whilst that clueless fool is still manager.

The only thing that will excite me this transfer window is when he gets the sack.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2015, 07:57:44 PM
#PrayForGoals

#prayforchancesongoal
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
I want to be enthusiastic about it, I really do...but I can't for a couple of reasons:

1 - why has he joined us? If he was any good, would somebody else not have signed him?
2 - Lambert doesn't really have a good record when signing players

However, hopefully I'm talking complete shit and being the complete pessimist. Here's to the next Messi joining Villa!

You could apply 1 to Okore, Beneteke, Sanchez and Vlaar. If they were any good how come it was us that signed them?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 11, 2015, 08:00:54 PM
And how does it show Lambert having a bad record at signing players?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Summers on January 11, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
Very happy with this, he's easily better than any other attacking/wide option we have.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 11, 2015, 08:01:46 PM
We could sign Pele and we'd still be dross whilst that clueless fool is still manager.

The only thing that will excite me this transfer window is when he gets the sack.

I fear Pele's best years are probably behind him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 11, 2015, 08:02:09 PM
I want to be enthusiastic about it, I really do...but I can't for a couple of reasons:

1 - why has he joined us? If he was any good, would somebody else not have signed him?
2 - Lambert doesn't really have a good record when signing players

However, hopefully I'm talking complete shit and being the complete pessimist. Here's to the next Messi joining Villa!

You could apply 1 to Okore, Beneteke, Sanchez and Vlaar. If they were any good how come it was us that signed them?

Okore and Sanchez can't claim to have achieved genius yet. Even Luna looked good for a while.

As for Benteke and Vlaar, Benteke came as it's a step up from Belgium and Vlaar came to sign for an English top 4 club, hopefully using us a stepping stone to get there.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 11, 2015, 08:02:57 PM
We could sign Pele and we'd still be dross whilst that clueless fool is still manager.

The only thing that will excite me this transfer window is when he gets the sack.

I fear Pele's best years are probably behind him.
But he'd still become our leading goalscorer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 08:04:57 PM
You didn't mention genius, just if they were any good. All 4 are pretty good. And signed for us. Or don't you think Okore (who turned down Chelsea to join us) and Sanchez are any good?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2015, 08:07:57 PM
I want to be enthusiastic about it, I really do...but I can't for a couple of reasons:

1 - why has he joined us? If he was any good, would somebody else not have signed him?
2 - Lambert doesn't really have a good record when signing players

However, hopefully I'm talking complete shit and being the complete pessimist. Here's to the next Messi joining Villa!

You could apply 1 to Okore, Beneteke, Sanchez and Vlaar. If they were any good how come it was us that signed them?

Okore and Sanchez can't claim to have achieved genius yet. Even Luna looked good for a while.

As for Benteke and Vlaar, Benteke came as it's a step up from Belgium and Vlaar came to sign for an English top 4 club, hopefully using us a stepping stone to get there.

So your reasoning is, any player who signs for us can't be any good?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: UK Redsox on January 11, 2015, 08:11:11 PM
#PrayForGoals

#theresnoneedtousehashtagsonhere
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: tomd2103 on January 11, 2015, 08:12:47 PM
I'm glad another player is coming in and he does look quite handy, but we don't play anywhere near the kind of football that those video's showed.

I've long thought that a 'number 10' type player who can find space in the final third might just be the player who could change things for us.  The likes of Westwood and Sanchez have the ability to make those passes, it's just that there is normally noone there. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: old man villa fan on January 11, 2015, 08:13:29 PM
I'm glad another player is coming in and he does look quite handy, but we don't play anywhere near the kind of football that those video's showed.

Quite right.  We have just changed our style to a very slow possession game with very little movement.  What I saw in the YouTube clip was a fast paced game with plenty of space and players running off the ball.  I wonder what he will be like with PL defenders tight on him by the time the ball gets to him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: CAitken on January 11, 2015, 08:16:18 PM
All the skills and no final ball apparently, from what I have read. Should slot in well...

Fingers crossed this isn't the case.


I read somewhere that the holocaust didn't happen but I don't believe that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 11, 2015, 08:18:21 PM
Has to be seen as a positive signing, looking like a done deal now.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 11, 2015, 08:18:31 PM
You didn't mention genius, just if they were any good. All 4 are pretty good. And signed for us. Or don't you think Okore (who turned down Chelsea to join us) and Sanchez are any good?

Okore probably turned Chelsea down as he didn't want to be loaned straight back to where he came from, which is what would've happened.

How many games do you need to play to be confirmed good? I'd say at least a season. Until then, if you play well, you look like you could be good.

Why didn't you list all the shit players we've signed who nobody else wanted?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2015, 08:20:27 PM
You didn't mention genius, just if they were any good. All 4 are pretty good. And signed for us. Or don't you think Okore (who turned down Chelsea to join us) and Sanchez are any good?

Okore probably turned Chelsea down as he didn't want to be loaned straight back to where he came from, which is what would've happened.

How many games do you need to play to be confirmed good? I'd say at least a season. Until then, if you play well, you look like you could be good.

Why didn't you list all the shit players we've signed who nobody else wanted?

Because that wasn't your original point. So we're agreed then, we sign some good players.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: villabear on January 11, 2015, 08:20:34 PM
Just seen this on Twitter: Miran Saric, who writes on La Liga regularly for SB Nation's Real Madrid blog added that Gil is a "tricky little guy with the ball at his feet, pretty solid passer. Can't score to save his life."
Should fit in well
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Nastylee on January 11, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
From the video he looks like he can go by a player and at least tries to get the ball into the danger area, which is more than about 90% of our squad can manage. So based on that, it's a goer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2015, 08:21:52 PM
You didn't mention genius, just if they were any good. All 4 are pretty good. And signed for us. Or don't you think Okore (who turned down Chelsea to join us) and Sanchez are any good?

Okore probably turned Chelsea down as he didn't want to be loaned straight back to where he came from, which is what would've happened.

How many games do you need to play to be confirmed good? I'd say at least a season. Until then, if you play well, you look like you could be good.

Why didn't you list all the shit players we've signed who nobody else wanted?

I'm not sure what your point is to be honest.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ger Regan on January 11, 2015, 08:24:10 PM
You didn't mention genius, just if they were any good. All 4 are pretty good. And signed for us. Or don't you think Okore (who turned down Chelsea to join us) and Sanchez are any good?

Okore probably turned Chelsea down as he didn't want to be loaned straight back to where he came from, which is what would've happened.

How many games do you need to play to be confirmed good? I'd say at least a season. Until then, if you play well, you look like you could be good.

Why didn't you list all the shit players we've signed who nobody else wanted?
So there was a reason the good players we've signed such as benteke, vlaar or okore did sign for us, but those reasons aren't legitimate now?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Nastylee on January 11, 2015, 08:27:59 PM
Who is Dave Cartlidge? Is that a real name? Do we have reason to believe he knows the deal's fine print?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 11, 2015, 08:35:20 PM
Looks Silvaesque to me.Which is better than Tonevesque in my book.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2015, 08:38:48 PM
All the skills and no final ball apparently, from what I have read. Should slot in well...

Fingers crossed this isn't the case.


I read somewhere that the holocaust didn't happen but I don't believe that.

A slightly OTT way of saying, don't believe everything you read. I wasn't reading the works of Jean-Marie Le Pen.

As I said let's hope he proves to be a good find.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 11, 2015, 08:40:52 PM
If this boy is signed I hope it's the start of a few significant changes.
IF something isn't working - in all walks of life - something needs to be changed. Lambert seems stubborn enough to carry on, game after game, with the same unsuccessful personnel and plan/s.
I'm hoping this may be the start of something different, but positive!

As much as it hurts me to say it, Gabby is doing nothing for the team at all and needs to sort it sharpish or be dropped until he decides he's got a proper contribution to make...and demonstrate it. Every fan and player in the country knows what Gabby brings to the party...or used to. He doesn't bring his pace any more. Likewise Weimann, or play him alongside Benteke, as in Lambert season 1 when they played well together.
N'Zogbia brings us nothing, consistently, so we need to let him go and replace him with Grealish/Bacuna...at least someone who can offer MORE threat to the opposition - something that Aston Villa as a team simply seem incapable of doing at the moment. Even to the likes of Sunderland, C Palace and fu**in' Leicester Fu**in' City!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Des Little on January 11, 2015, 08:51:42 PM
Would signing Gil mean we send TC7 back up the M6?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: villan from luton on January 11, 2015, 08:55:18 PM
Not sure, but have we not got Cleverley for the season?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2015, 08:57:39 PM
Get Gil in, although, I know fuck all about him. Then a wide player. That'll be the Cleverley money spent.

I'd whack a bid in for Puncheon.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Summers on January 11, 2015, 09:00:40 PM
Gil in behind Benteke and Weimann would be alright.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2015, 09:01:14 PM
Who is Dave Cartlidge? Is that a real name? Do we have reason to believe he knows the deal's fine print?

Google his twitter username, he's a journalist covering Spanish football.

No guarantee of him being correct, but he's not just some random 15 follower teenager in his bedroom, either.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2015, 09:01:43 PM
Gil in behind Benteke and Weimann would be alright.

What I'd really like just behind Weimann is one of those new bench seats we have.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2015, 09:05:04 PM
He looks a bit like the lad that was pictured in a restaurant with Lambert last season.

Not greatly impressed with that sell on clause, but I would imagine there is also a buy out of that too.

Anyhow, skilful and looks like he can create space in the final third so will be an asset to be completely mis-used by the great Paul in the coming, painful months.

Good luck Gil. Something tells me you are going to need it!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2015, 09:05:54 PM
Gil in behind Benteke and Weimann would be alright.

What I'd really like just behind Weimann is one of those new bench seats we have.


I would prefer one of the plastic ones about 30 rows behind that to be honest.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 11, 2015, 09:06:26 PM
Gil in behind Benteke and Weimann would be alright.

What I'd really like just behind Weimann is one of those new bench seats we have.
Or a coach who advises him what to do when you have a really good scoring opportunity within 25 yards of the goal...other than just put your foot through it and hit the old bloke in row Z!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 11, 2015, 09:14:11 PM
Get Gil in, although, I know fuck all about him. Then a wide player. That'll be the Cleverley money spent.

I'd whack a bid in for Puncheon.
Would Puncheon leave his Sarf Landon manor? He's known down there
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 11, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
On the chat at the foot of the story on Marca:

The offer is irresistible, we will not deceive. Still gives me grief because he was a squad that reached ilusionar to be a great player, but since I came from Elche has not curdled. I hope he does well in his career

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2015, 09:22:42 PM
On the chat at the foot of the story on Marca:

The offer is irresistible, we will not deceive. Still gives me grief because he was a squad that reached ilusionar to be a great player, but since I came from Elche has not curdled. I hope he does well in his career



erm...blimey what was that about curdling?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: AVH87 on January 11, 2015, 09:24:15 PM
Whilst I want Lambert out as I think he's clueless in terms of setting up a team that can create chances and dominate a game, I actually think his record in the transfer market isn't that bad.

I rate the signings of: Vlaar, Okore, Sanchez, Benteke. Yes there's been loads of dross (Sylla, KEA, Bowery, Luna, etc.), but for me it tends to be the case that when Lambert spends more than a couple of million, his record isn't too bad, as per my first 4 examples.

I'm hopeful for this guy, god knows we need him to make things happen in the final third or we're buggered.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: London Villan on January 11, 2015, 09:27:28 PM
I wonder who does his scouting...
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: CAitken on January 11, 2015, 09:34:57 PM
All the skills and no final ball apparently, from what I have read. Should slot in well...

Fingers crossed this isn't the case.


I read somewhere that the holocaust didn't happen but I don't believe that.

A slightly OTT way of saying, don't believe everything you read. I wasn't reading the works of Jean-Marie Le Pen.

As I said let's hope he proves to be a good find.
He is a right winger though!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 11, 2015, 09:42:31 PM
Just seen this on Twitter: Miran Saric, who writes on La Liga regularly for SB Nation's Real Madrid blog added that Gil is a "tricky little guy with the ball at his feet, pretty solid passer. Can't score to save his life."
Should fit in well

Our problem is creating chances for goals. I'm convinced Benteke will score a hatfull if we actually start crossing the ball in from the wings. Same applies to Gabby.
Hopefully Gill is the man to provide it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 11, 2015, 09:44:36 PM
Any chance he can bring Jesus Gil  with him?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 11, 2015, 09:47:23 PM
All the skills and no final ball apparently, from what I have read. Should slot in well...

Fingers crossed this isn't the case.


I read somewhere that the holocaust didn't happen but I don't believe that.

A slightly OTT way of saying, don't believe everything you read. I wasn't reading the works of Jean-Marie Le Pen.

As I said let's hope he proves to be a good find.
He is a right winger though!
Is he a bit like Albrighton?
Who went to Leicester for nowt and played really well for them against us on Saturday.
Would have loved Benteke to have had half the service he, and other Leicester players, provided for Ulloa etc.

And I never was an Albrighton fan.
It just shows what a decent coach can do with a half decent player.



Carles Gil - promising young Spanish midfielder - totally confused and fu**ed up by Paul Lambert.
Hope I'm very wrong.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2015, 09:52:37 PM
All the skills and no final ball apparently, from what I have read. Should slot in well...

Fingers crossed this isn't the case.


I read somewhere that the holocaust didn't happen but I don't believe that.

A slightly OTT way of saying, don't believe everything you read. I wasn't reading the works of Jean-Marie Le Pen.

As I said let's hope he proves to be a good find.
He is a right winger though!

Very good...:-)
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 11, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
With respect Albrighton's hardly played for Leicester this season.

It's not unknown for players to bust their gut against a former club, see Vassell's frequent goals against us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: b23 on January 11, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
Any chance he can bring Jesus Gil  with him?

Alive ? That would be some miracle.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 11, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
Any chance he can bring Jesus Gil  with him?

Alive ? That would be some miracle.
All the skills and no final ball apparently, from what I have read. Should slot in well...

Fingers crossed this isn't the case.


I read somewhere that the holocaust didn't happen but I don't believe that.

A slightly OTT way of saying, don't believe everything you read. I wasn't reading the works of Jean-Marie Le Pen.

As I said let's hope he proves to be a good find.
He is a right winger though!

Very good...:-)

Sorry CAitken.
In my state of deep claret and blue depression, completely missed your sharp, incisive wit.

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2015, 10:04:08 PM
I really hope this puts paid to any ludicrous notion of signing Tom Cleverley permanently.  Also must mean Lambert is going nowhere in a hurry.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 11, 2015, 10:08:04 PM
With respect Albrighton's hardly played for Leicester this season.

It's not unknown for players to bust their gut against a former club, see Vassell's frequent goals against us.
He's been injured for a good while...and If that's why Pearson chose him and it worked, that's exactly my point.
A manager/coach employing specific players to do specific jobs to create specific effect.
Lambert's "tactic" seems to be: put the same players out every game, playing the same way and it will all work out fine in the end/eventually/at some point/with the wind in the right direction/rub of the green/law of averages etc etc.
His new mantra seems to be "we just have to keep working hard"...he repeats it about three times in his post-match interview. ie doing the same thing until it starts to show successful product. It won't.
Hitting head against wall approach, almost perfectly captured.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: dicedlam on January 11, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
I really hope this puts paid to any ludicrous notion of signing Tom Cleverley permanently.  Also must mean Lambert is going nowhere in a hurry.

Glad on the one hand, sad on the other.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ger Regan on January 11, 2015, 10:27:56 PM
I'm not really sure how the signing of one player equates to not signing another player that plays in a different position, though. We probably won't sign him, but that won't have anything to do with us signing gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2015, 11:20:33 PM
I'm not really sure how the signing of one player equates to not signing another player that plays in a different position, though. We probably won't sign him, but that won't have anything to do with us signing gil.

I was probably wrongly assuming they were using the cleverley money for this signing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 11, 2015, 11:40:45 PM
Any chance he can bring Jesus Gil  with him?

Alive ? That would be some miracle.

Sadly the ghost of Jesus Gil would be more hands on than Randy
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: villan from luton on January 11, 2015, 11:49:04 PM
I didnt know Jesus had passed away RIP
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 12, 2015, 12:04:57 AM
Any chance he can bring Jesus Gil  with him?

Alive ? That would be some miracle.

More likely David gill
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Damo70 on January 12, 2015, 12:14:43 AM
I used to work with a Brazilian guy in the Canary Islands called Gil (pronounced Hill). Typical Brazilian he just used his last name Gil, not any of his twenty Christian names. Looked like Andi Peters. The comparison doesn't end there. Like Andi Peters he never married for some reason.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2015, 03:31:54 AM
Exciting signing and obviously one Lambert has been tracking for a while. Played with Sanchez at Elche which could be very important in helping him settle. The obligatory YouTube clip reminds me of Wes Hoolahan. Seems to have a nice low centre of gravity, touch and pace. Attributes someone like Andi Weimann painfully lack. His stats aren't hectic but at 22 his best football is surely ahead of him.

The only worry would be how light he seems. Our recent successful(ish) signings have all been physically ready for EPL football (Okore, Sanchez, Benteke, Cissokho), others like Tonev, Lowton, Bennett, Kea struggled physically and was part of the reason they didn't work out. Might be next season before we see the best of Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 12, 2015, 05:41:38 AM
Exciting signing. Right position, skilled player. Nice one.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: mattjpa on January 12, 2015, 06:42:44 AM
Bienvenidos a Villa, Carlos. Tu tienes uno trabajo – para pasar el balon a Benteke.
Welcome to Villa, Carlos. You have one job - pass the ball to Benteke.

I think anyway, I'm learning at the moment
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Mister E on January 12, 2015, 07:04:22 AM
... Lambert's "tactic" seems to be: put the same players out every game, playing the same way and it will all work out fine in the end/eventually/at some point/with the wind in the right direction/rub of the green/law of averages etc etc.
...
Yes, his new widely-proclaimed build-from-the-back approach is great, except that the oppo find it dead easy to counter, as Leicester did: simply push high and pressurise the centre backs.
Simplistic in the extreme, and if Lambert sees Gil as the single solution to the goal drought Gil better be extremely resilient as well as good, 'cos it'll be sussed pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Smirker on January 12, 2015, 07:45:43 AM
Bienvenidos a Villa, Carlos. Tu tienes uno trabajo – para pasar el balon a Benteke.
Welcome to Villa, Carlos. You have one job - pass the ball to Benteke.

I think anyway, I'm learning at the moment

Yep that's it. How you learning?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Tuscans on January 12, 2015, 07:55:53 AM
I'll hold my breathe on this one. Some people are saying he has no end product, fluffs his lines.

Another Tonev!?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ian. on January 12, 2015, 07:58:22 AM
I'll hold my breathe on this one. Some people are saying he has no end product, fluffs his lines.

Another Tonev!?
There can only be one Tonev!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Holte L2 on January 12, 2015, 08:04:43 AM
adnan Januzaj and Jermain Defoe would be next on my radar. Though I'm sure Lerner and Lambert have cheaper ideas.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Mr Speedy H on January 12, 2015, 08:08:16 AM
I personally think this is a fantastic move. He looks like an exciting and young player who, while using his pace and technical ability, can use the ball to create to dangerous situations.

Villa have managed to break out of the 'hoof-it' mentality and we're being a lot more possessive and confident moving the ball around the field, albeit just in the middle at present. Hopefully, Gil will bring a bit more risk and confidence into the attacking third and I look forward to seeing him play in Claret & Blue.

Welcome.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: nick harper on January 12, 2015, 08:16:11 AM
I think it's asking a lot for a young, if talented player, who has never played in the Premier League, to come in and effectively be our creative saviour. There will be even greater pressure on him given our predicament

You rarely see the best of players bought in January until the following season. I remember Ashley Young struggling to make an impact.

If he can find another established creative player with PL experience, then it would least give greater options, whether its Sinclair or someone else - otherwise I fear this may be a big disappointment.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2015, 08:16:31 AM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

If true, and it ever gets to that point he'll have done really well with us. Hopefully by that stage we'll have identified the next Gil.

The only way it is a worry is if he is the next Messi. Otherwise i'm not going to worry that a club can buy him back for 3x what we paid as TV says, he will have had to have played very well for us.

Next Messi?

Not really. We're talking about someone having an option at £9m or so, when we're paying £3-4m for him in the first place. It strikes me as a bit shortsighted.

Yeah I'm not sure on that given the nature of football.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 12, 2015, 08:18:47 AM
If he ends up being amazing he'll end up going to a wealthier club that Valencia anyway.

It'll be something like this:

Scenario 1: player is utterly brilliant and has half of Europe after him. Goes to a Real Madrid or Man City type team for far more than €12 million.

Scenario 2: he's not bad but suffers from homesickness. Heads back to Valencia or elsewhere in Spain for far less than €12 million.

Scenario 3: beset by injuries. Finally starts to look a top class player just as his contract is expiring and joins some horrible club for free.

Scenario 4: player is utterly, utterly useless. Never shows the slightest ability. Hated by the fans, mocked by the opposition. Stays at Villa. Given extended contract.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Boz on January 12, 2015, 09:13:12 AM
I personally think this is a fantastic move. He looks like an exciting and young player who, while using his pace and technical ability, can use the ball to create to dangerous situations.

Villa have managed to break out of the 'hoof-it' mentality and we're being a lot more possessive and confident moving the ball around the field, albeit just in the middle at present. Hopefully, Gil will bring a bit more risk and confidence into the attacking third and I look forward to seeing him play in Claret & Blue.

Welcome.

Given how long it took Carlos to settle into PL football, it's a bit optimistic that Gil at 22 and been at Elche for two years can be expected to be our saviour. He looks like he needs building up physically and will come in for a lot of tough tackles I suspect, so unless he has the sort of skills to ride tackles, he'll take a plenty of stick from the cloggers of the Premiership.

Given Lambert's past experience of introducing new players, Gil might not even get much game time until next season in the championship.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2015, 09:15:25 AM
He looks very direct and appears to have both a map and compass which allows him to head towards goal. Hopefully his sense of direction can rub off on our other players.

We've lacked a link between midfield and attack for a long time. If he can fill it and be a forward option for Westwoods passes, then we will likely improve.

He at least looks different from the very similar midfielders we have already, who are all nice passers, but beyond Sanchez being physically good too, offer no variety.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2015, 09:21:23 AM
If he gets Sinclair too then wide right and left of Benteke are sorted but it's a gamble pinning survival on a bloke who has not played much for 3 years and a kid new to the league. I would still be tempted to go for Maloney on the cheap as a creative option on top.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2015, 09:24:05 AM
If he gets Sinclair too then wide right and left of Benteke are sorted but it's a gamble pinning survival on a bloke who has not played much for 3 years and a kid new to the league. I would still be tempted to go for Maloney on the cheap as a creative option on top.

He needs to do something because we're creating nothing. Not scoring is one thing, not creating anything is even worse.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: RussellC on January 12, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
If he gets Sinclair too then wide right and left of Benteke are sorted but it's a gamble pinning survival on a bloke who has not played much for 3 years and a kid new to the league. I would still be tempted to go for Maloney on the cheap as a creative option on top.

He needs to do something because we're creating nothing. Not scoring is one thing, not creating anything is even worse.

I just wrote something similar on another thread, but the impact that Albrighton (a completely bog-standard winger) had on Saturday, should really have hit-home to Lambert about just what a player with attacking will and intent can do. He probably created, or had a hand-in, more chances in that game than any of ours have in the past 2 months.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: passitsideways on January 12, 2015, 09:40:20 AM
If he gets Sinclair too then wide right and left of Benteke are sorted but it's a gamble pinning survival on a bloke who has not played much for 3 years and a kid new to the league. I would still be tempted to go for Maloney on the cheap as a creative option on top.

He needs to do something because we're creating nothing. Not scoring is one thing, not creating anything is even worse.

I just wrote something similar on another thread, but the impact that Albrighton (a completely bog-standard winger) had on Saturday, should really have hit-home to Lambert about just what a player with attacking will and intent can do. He probably created, or had a hand-in, more chances in that game than any of ours have in the past 2 months.

He did the same for us in the final few months of last season as well, simply by standing really close to the touchline and relentlessly firing in crosses in the general direction of the six-yard box after trying a couple of half-hearted jinks.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Mr Speedy H on January 12, 2015, 09:56:05 AM
I personally think this is a fantastic move. He looks like an exciting and young player who, while using his pace and technical ability, can use the ball to create to dangerous situations.

Villa have managed to break out of the 'hoof-it' mentality and we're being a lot more possessive and confident moving the ball around the field, albeit just in the middle at present. Hopefully, Gil will bring a bit more risk and confidence into the attacking third and I look forward to seeing him play in Claret & Blue.

Welcome.

Given how long it took Carlos to settle into PL football, it's a bit optimistic that Gil at 22 and been at Elche for two years can be expected to be our saviour. He looks like he needs building up physically and will come in for a lot of tough tackles I suspect, so unless he has the sort of skills to ride tackles, he'll take a plenty of stick from the cloggers of the Premiership.

Given Lambert's past experience of introducing new players, Gil might not even get much game time until next season in the championship.

I didn't say he's going to be our saviour and I don't expect that from such a young lad. What I said is that I look forward to seeing him playing for us. And yes, he's still unproven at this level but if he shows a bit of confidence when he does play, then he'll definitely help us getting a bit closer to the goal!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Monty on January 12, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
I like the look of this Gill, and I think this move'll all go swimmingly.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: oldtimernow on January 12, 2015, 10:10:07 AM
Something fishy about the deal though
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: silhillvilla on January 12, 2015, 10:12:19 AM
Is this one dead in the water yet ?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2015, 10:58:29 AM
More than anything Gil needs to be allowed to remain the player we are buying. That his job is to get the ball from the likes of Sanchez and run at the defence. No defender likes that, and have that on both sides of the pitch it generally leads to good things. The defence if only asked to defend is more than good enough for this league. It's when they (that is the full backs esp.) are asked to provide the width that we look all over the place.

Possible team with Delph back

-------------------------------Guzan---------------------------

Hutton---------------Okore------------Clark--------Cissokho

--------------------------------Sanchez------------------------

-----------------Westwood-----------------Delph--------------

---------Gil-----------------------------------------Sinclair-----

---------------------------------Benteke----------------------

Subs: Gabby, Given, Baker, Cleverley, Cole, Weimann, Richardson
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: LeeB on January 12, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
I like the look of this Gill, and I think this move'll all go swimmingly.

No, Lambert will play him too deep.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Monty on January 12, 2015, 11:02:36 AM
I like the look of that, TV. Hopefully Gil is Spanish enough to resist the influence of Lambert's stodge-ball for a bit, and give us more movement in attack.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Mr Speedy H on January 12, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I like the look of this Gill, and I think this move'll all go swimmingly.

No, Lambert will play him too deep.

He'll either sink or swim in that role.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2015, 11:07:36 AM
Monty that system won't work with anyone except Benteke up front. By that I mean Gabby and Weimann are like statues. You give the right service to Benteke, not only will he capitalize but his movement alone will open up space for others to get in behind the defence. Ideally we would add a Dembele type player for Westwood also. The system essentially keeps the full backs as full backs not wing backs which is essential if you want the wingers to not have to worry too much about defending. Ash was superb with Bouma in behind him for example.

Yes, to your point, Lambert must allow Gil and Sinclair if he joins to be the players they are and dull their blades so to speak.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
More than anything Gil needs to be allowed to remain the player we are buying. That his job is to get the ball from the likes of Sanchez and run at the defence. No defender likes that, and have that on both sides of the pitch it generally leads to good things. The defence if only asked to defend is more than good enough for this league. It's when they (that is the full backs esp.) are asked to provide the width that we look all over the place.

Possible team with Delph back

-------------------------------Guzan---------------------------

Hutton---------------Okore------------Clark--------Cissokho

--------------------------------Sanchez------------------------

-----------------Westwood-----------------Delph--------------

---------Gil-----------------------------------------Sinclair-----

---------------------------------Benteke----------------------

Subs: Gabby, Given, Baker, Cleverley, Cole, Weimann, Richardson
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Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Monty on January 12, 2015, 11:11:27 AM
I'm not sure about a Dembele-type instead of Westwood - apart from the fact that Dembele is a better player all-round - because I like Westwood in a role which allows one of the other two midfielders to break forwards. Westwood is our most underrated player, I think.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2015, 11:13:41 AM
Dembele for Cleverley would be lovely.

I did notice Gil looks able to take a corner.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2015, 11:14:29 AM
I like Westwood too. I think he keeps things ticking over nicely. But I'd be in favour of upgrading where possible. That and the fact from the middle neither Delph or Westwood attack the box. Maybe Delph can become that player.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 12, 2015, 11:17:47 AM
It is one of Westy or Cleverley and my vote goes to westy without a doubt. I do like the look of Toronto's side.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
I suppose that could be the side for Liverpool with Baker in for Clark who is suspended.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2015, 11:25:36 AM
More than anything Gil needs to be allowed to remain the player we are buying. That his job is to get the ball from the likes of Sanchez and run at the defence. No defender likes that, and have that on both sides of the pitch it generally leads to good things. The defence if only asked to defend is more than good enough for this league. It's when they (that is the full backs esp.) are asked to provide the width that we look all over the place.

Possible team with Delph back

-------------------------------Guzan---------------------------

Hutton---------------Okore------------Clark--------Cissokho

--------------------------------Sanchez------------------------

-----------------Westwood-----------------Delph--------------

---------Gil-----------------------------------------Sinclair-----

---------------------------------Benteke----------------------

Subs: Gabby, Given, Baker, Cleverley, Cole, Weimann, Richardson
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Maybe Grealish instead of Cole though and Bacuna instead of Richardson.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2015, 11:57:40 AM
If he ends up being amazing he'll end up going to a wealthier club that Valencia anyway.

It'll be something like this:

Scenario 1: player is utterly brilliant and has half of Europe after him. Goes to a Real Madrid or Man City type team for far more than €12 million.
If he ends up being that amazing, then he'll probaby probably be back at Valencia for 12m and they then sell him on for the bigger money. If they have a buy-back option, then we wouldn't be able to sell him on for more money without giving them the right to exercise their option first.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 12, 2015, 12:09:38 PM
Is a buy back option even legal?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 12, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
Is a buy back option even legal?

It could be a first refusal, which I suppose is.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Richard E on January 12, 2015, 12:13:42 PM
Unless there is some FA/UEFA/FIFA rule against it a buy back option would certainly not be against the law of the land. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 12, 2015, 12:13:45 PM
This worries me a little.

David Cartlidge
‏@davidjaca
Further details on Carles Gil deal. Valencia retains an option to buyback of around €12m, as well as 10% of any future sale.

If true, and it ever gets to that point he'll have done really well with us. Hopefully by that stage we'll have identified the next Gil.

So we have a short position on him for 12m yoyos - we could trade him on the futures market.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
Is a buy back option even legal?
I think it happens a bit more on the continent.

As an example Real Madrid sold Dani Carvajal to Leverkeusen for 5m euros, with the option to buy him back anytime they wanted for 6.5m. Which they did and he's now back at Madrid.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on January 12, 2015, 12:20:47 PM
Is a buy back option even legal?
I think it happens a bit more on the continent.

As an example Real Madrid sold Dani Carvajal to Leverkeusen for 5m euros, with the option to buy him back anytime they wanted for 6.5m. Which they did and he's now back at Madrid.

I was about to post the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 12, 2015, 12:24:50 PM
If he ends up being amazing he'll end up going to a wealthier club that Valencia anyway.

It'll be something like this:

Scenario 1: player is utterly brilliant and has half of Europe after him. Goes to a Real Madrid or Man City type team for far more than €12 million.
If he ends up being that amazing, then he'll probaby probably be back at Valencia for 12m and they then sell him on for the bigger money. If they have a buy-back option, then we wouldn't be able to sell him on for more money without giving them the right to exercise their option first.

But if, say, Man City were being linked with him, he wouldn't want to go back to Valencia.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2015, 12:28:56 PM
If he ends up being amazing he'll end up going to a wealthier club that Valencia anyway.

It'll be something like this:

Scenario 1: player is utterly brilliant and has half of Europe after him. Goes to a Real Madrid or Man City type team for far more than €12 million.
If he ends up being that amazing, then he'll probaby probably be back at Valencia for 12m and they then sell him on for the bigger money. If they have a buy-back option, then we wouldn't be able to sell him on for more money without giving them the right to exercise their option first.

But if, say, Man City were being linked with him, he wouldn't want to go back to Valencia.

But what would happen then is that Valencia would excercise their option and pocket anything over the 12m Euros, I imagine.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: themossman on January 12, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
Interesting, that sort of arrangement effectively sounds like a very elaborate loan deal.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 12, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
I understand what you're saying, but surely they can't sign a player without said player's consent, regardless of this clause?

If Real Madrid want to sign him, he'll choose to sign for them, rather than choosing to sign for Valencia then waiting at least a season before signing for Real by which time they could've gone off him/changed their manager, etc.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Damo70 on January 12, 2015, 12:36:07 PM
Is a buy back option even legal?

It could be a first refusal, which I suppose is.

Did we not have first refusal on Cowans and Rideout as part of the deal when we sold them to Bari?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2015, 12:37:38 PM
It does throw up the conundrum of the player not actually wanting to go back, and there has to be some kind of time limit to it surely?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2015, 12:49:46 PM
I understand what you're saying, but surely they can't sign a player without said player's consent, regardless of this clause?

If Real Madrid want to sign him, he'll choose to sign for them, rather than choosing to sign for Valencia then waiting at least a season before signing for Real by which time they could've gone off him/changed their manager, etc.

He wouldn't be signing for Valencia permanently, though. They have an option to buy him back at 12m. If Real Madrid want him, and Villa say "that'll be 30m" and Real say OK, then legally, it'd be Valencia copping for anything over the 12m.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2015, 12:53:27 PM
And that is where clubs get creative with sawps and structured deals though.

Anyhow, lets hope he is good enough to worry about this!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 12, 2015, 12:54:03 PM
Has he definitely signed yet?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2015, 12:54:32 PM
If he ends up being amazing he'll end up going to a wealthier club that Valencia anyway.

It'll be something like this:

Scenario 1: player is utterly brilliant and has half of Europe after him. Goes to a Real Madrid or Man City type team for far more than €12 million.
If he ends up being that amazing, then he'll probaby probably be back at Valencia for 12m and they then sell him on for the bigger money. If they have a buy-back option, then we wouldn't be able to sell him on for more money without giving them the right to exercise their option first.

Exactly, so basically if he were amazing we'd be getting pretty short changed if this is true.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2015, 12:55:06 PM
Has he definitely signed yet?

Flying into BHX today according to the Telegraph.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: RussellC on January 12, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
I wonder if they were to buy him back for the 12million Euros, whether they'd still expect us to also give them the 10% sell-on clause??
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2015, 12:57:11 PM
And that is where clubs get creative with sawps and structured deals though.

Anyhow, lets hope he is good enough to worry about this!

I'm glad he is signing above all. Was just saying that I don't like this sort of sell-on arrangement.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: boboonthecorner on January 12, 2015, 12:57:15 PM
Seriously I'm baffled as to why the guy would want to sign for us to be honest. We're a deserved favourite for the drop, it's not as if we've been unlucky and some team will be on the end of a hiding??? The weight of expectation on him will be incredible, I'm sorry but unless he has some getout clause his agent wants shooting!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2015, 01:04:53 PM
We are a decent bet at the moment.

I am hoping that this is the January that Lambert actually does some business to change the season.

I agree Paulie, I don't like it either. A % of the sell on fee over an amount - say what we paid, seem a fairer way forward, but still.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 12, 2015, 01:06:03 PM
I understand what you're saying, but surely they can't sign a player without said player's consent, regardless of this clause?

If Real Madrid want to sign him, he'll choose to sign for them, rather than choosing to sign for Valencia then waiting at least a season before signing for Real by which time they could've gone off him/changed their manager, etc.

He wouldn't be signing for Valencia permanently, though. They have an option to buy him back at 12m. If Real Madrid want him, and Villa say "that'll be 30m" and Real say OK, then legally, it'd be Valencia copping for anything over the 12m.

I don't think so. As I understand a "buy-back clause" they can buy him back. If somebody else buys him though, because he refuses to go there, they get nothing.

In any case, in such circumstances I reckon we could come to some arrangement with Valencia same as we did with West Brom when we sold Ehiogu to Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: villadelph on January 12, 2015, 01:11:10 PM
Seriously I'm baffled as to why the guy would want to sign for us to be honest. We're a deserved favourite for the drop, it's not as if we've been unlucky and some team will be on the end of a hiding??? The weight of expectation on him will be incredible, I'm sorry but unless he has some getout clause his agent wants shooting!

Playing time, a comfy paycheck and international exposure to further his career. We're not that bad of a club.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2015, 01:11:22 PM
In any case, in such circumstances I reckon we could come to some arrangement with Valencia same as we did with West Brom when we sold Ehiogu to Middlesbrough.
That's more likely. If we think that he's about to turn into the next David Silva, then we'd probably give the player a pay-rise and pay Valencia a few extra million to remove the clause.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: exigo on January 12, 2015, 01:11:27 PM
Bienvenidos a Villa, Carlos. Tu tienes uno trabajo – para pasar el balon a Benteke.
Welcome to Villa, Carlos. You have one job - pass the ball to Benteke.

I think anyway, I'm learning at the moment

Perfect. Can you play left mid?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: boboonthecorner on January 12, 2015, 01:12:45 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

If you don't score you don't stay up. We're on target for the worst ever scoring record in a season so I think the odds will drop the same speed as we will after the next three games.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2015, 01:14:36 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

If you don't score you don't stay up. We're on target for the worst ever scoring record in a season so I think the odds will drop the same speed as we will after the next three games.
Quite possibly. But at the moment we're not one of the favourites to go down.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 12, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

If you don't score you don't stay up. We're on target for the worst ever scoring record in a season so I think the odds will drop the same speed as we will after the next three games.

There is 0% chance we'll score 26 goals in final 17 games. Us going down will probably go down to the final 2 games though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
What has scoring 26 goals got to do with staying up?

If we score five goals and keep a clean sheet, then we will more than likely have done enough with a few 0-0's too.

We will obviously do ourselves a massive favour by adding a bit of risk to our play and Lambert seeing that N'Zogbia, Gabby and Weimann have nothing to offer would be a good start.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 12, 2015, 02:20:02 PM
What has scoring 26 goals got to do with staying up?

Nothing. Bob was talking about our soon to be new unwanted record. I was saying that there is no chance of us not setting it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Jim Shoes on January 12, 2015, 02:33:41 PM
There seems to be some confusion about the buy back clause as I understand it in this case if another club were to offer 20m and Villa were happy to accept then Valencia have an option to match the offer. If they do then it's up to Gil if they don't/can't then he will go to the other club.

All this is of course for the future he has to sign for us first before we start to flog him off ;)
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 12, 2015, 02:38:15 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

I'm amazed , considering were three points off 19th , can't score and the three games coming up. The odds will change massively after the next three games.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: dekko on January 12, 2015, 02:38:47 PM
There seems to be some confusion about the buy back clause as I understand it in this case if another club were to offer 20m and Villa were happy to accept then Valencia have an option to match the offer. If they do then it's up to Gil if they don't/can't then he will go to the other club.

All this is of course for the future he has to sign for us first before we start to flog him off ;)

Isn't that a 'first option' clause?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2015, 03:05:40 PM
There seems to be some confusion about the buy back clause as I understand it in this case if another club were to offer 20m and Villa were happy to accept then Valencia have an option to match the offer. If they do then it's up to Gil if they don't/can't then he will go to the other club.
Why would there need to be a clause for the above?

Surely if a club makes a bid and we accept it, then any other club can match the offer if they want to and then the player can choose where he goes.

Whether we have clauses in contracts with that club or not.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on January 12, 2015, 04:07:12 PM
Any chance he can bring Jesus Gil  with him?

Alive ? That would be some miracle.
Reading between the lines on his wiki page he was a right winger when he was alive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Gil

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2015, 04:32:15 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

If you don't score you don't stay up. We're on target for the worst ever scoring record in a season so I think the odds will drop the same speed as we will after the next three games.
Quite possibly. But at the moment we're not one of the favourites to go down.

Leicester are almost certain to be relegated, but have managed to convince a £10 million player to join them. It happens.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Mister E on January 12, 2015, 04:49:09 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

If you don't score you don't stay up. We're on target for the worst ever scoring record in a season so I think the odds will drop the same speed as we will after the next three games.
Quite possibly. But at the moment we're not one of the favourites to go down.
We are, if you look at the BBC poll of football fans. We are the third club behind QPR and Leicester. Rightly, given our parlous scoring record.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2015, 05:00:56 PM
There seems to be some confusion about the buy back clause as I understand it in this case if another club were to offer 20m and Villa were happy to accept then Valencia have an option to match the offer. If they do then it's up to Gil if they don't/can't then he will go to the other club.
Why would there need to be a clause for the above?

Surely if a club makes a bid and we accept it, then any other club can match the offer if they want to and then the player can choose where he goes.

Whether we have clauses in contracts with that club or not.

I'd guess a clause like that means that you have to tell them that you've had the offer before you can legally accept it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: DrGonzo on January 12, 2015, 05:02:33 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

If you don't score you don't stay up. We're on target for the worst ever scoring record in a season so I think the odds will drop the same speed as we will after the next three games.
Quite possibly. But at the moment we're not one of the favourites to go down.

Leicester are almost certain to be relegated, but have managed to convince a £10 million player to join them. It happens.

Emile Heskey was a £10m player.  Price and value: two very different things.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: joe_c on January 12, 2015, 05:14:06 PM
Any chance he can bring Jesus Gil  with him?

Alive ? That would be some miracle.
Reading between the lines on his wiki page he was a right winger when he was alive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Gil



People named Jesus do have previous for this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 12, 2015, 05:14:44 PM
on newsnow it says that they will get 10% of any future transfer and first refusal.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: boboonthecorner on January 12, 2015, 05:47:26 PM
We're a deserved favourite for the drop
We're not a favourite for relegation at all. Six teams have shorter odds than us and West Brom's odds are the same as ours.

If you don't score you don't stay up. We're on target for the worst ever scoring record in a season so I think the odds will drop the same speed as we will after the next three games.
Quite possibly. But at the moment we're not one of the favourites to go down.

Leicester are almost certain to be relegated, but have managed to convince a £10 million player to join them. It happens.

Who have they signed???
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: SirSteveUK on January 12, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
Some young Croat CF - barely an international - so may need to bribe to get a work permit
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2015, 06:33:14 PM
Fittingly his agent is our very own former young Croat, Bosko Balaban, son of Bob.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2015, 08:35:44 PM
So is Carles here and if so when is he going to have a medical?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 12, 2015, 09:00:15 PM
Can we make the medical a bit more thorough than we usually do, while we're at it?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 12, 2015, 09:04:29 PM
Any stretched XL villa shirts about on instagram yet
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
Press conference confirmed for tomorrow afternoon. We rarely have them to unveil new signings unless it's a biggie...was Bent the last one?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: The Left Side on January 13, 2015, 03:14:59 AM
Press conference confirmed for tomorrow afternoon. We rarely have them to unveil new signings unless it's a biggie...was Bent the last one?

Wishful thinking but they need positive PR so probably just Carles unless it is a double signing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Axl Rose on January 13, 2015, 04:13:04 AM
http://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/9643098/Transfer-news-Aston-Villa-are-close-to-signing-Valencia-midfielder-Carles-Gil

a couple of nice highlights of Gil here.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pooligan on January 13, 2015, 06:20:37 AM
Lets hope Gil is a better player than his agent was !
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 07:06:20 AM
Something fishy going on here
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 13, 2015, 07:26:08 AM
Is this the fin for Lambert?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 10:03:45 AM
I feel a little sorry for this lad now. He's coming into a shit storm
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 10:07:45 AM
There is an apparent hitch over agents fees and there will be no press conference today.

Hopefully he will still sign, but its not looking likely he will be available for the Liverpool game. I am sure Lambert can fill the creative gap though with plenty of defensive holding players.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 10:11:59 AM
There is an apparent hitch over agents fees and there will be no press conference today.

Hopefully he will still sign, but its not looking likely he will be available for the Liverpool game. I am sure Lambert can fill the creative gap though with plenty of defensive holding players.

where did you hear that? Maybe the hitch is Lambert getting the boot!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: LTA on January 13, 2015, 10:13:52 AM
Deal could be off.  Typical Lerner by the sounds of it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2015, 10:16:31 AM
Deal could be off.  Typical Lerner by the sounds of it.

What do you mean by typical Lerner? And where have you read that the deal could be off?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 10:19:18 AM
There is an apparent hitch over agents fees and there will be no press conference today.

Hopefully he will still sign, but its not looking likely he will be available for the Liverpool game. I am sure Lambert can fill the creative gap though with plenty of defensive holding players.

where did you hear that? Maybe the hitch is Lambert getting the boot!

A Mirror journalist Brendan McLoughlin has Tweeted that there is an issue over agents fees, but the club is still hopeful that the deal will go through.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2015, 10:25:42 AM
Oh good.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: LTA on January 13, 2015, 10:25:43 AM
Deal could be off.  Typical Lerner by the sounds of it.

What do you mean by typical Lerner? And where have you read that the deal could be off?

If its 50 50, then that to me means it could be off.

Reading between the lines, it seems we are reluctant  at the agents fee request.  We desperatly need to strengthen the squad, so why are we mucking about?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 10:26:05 AM
There is an apparent hitch over agents fees and there will be no press conference today.

Hopefully he will still sign, but its not looking likely he will be available for the Liverpool game. I am sure Lambert can fill the creative gap though with plenty of defensive holding players.

where did you hear that? Maybe the hitch is Lambert getting the boot!

A Mirror journalist Brendan McLoughlin has Tweeted that there is an issue over agents fees, but the club is still hopeful that the deal will go through.

weird, you'd think that would all be agreed.

Can't be very confident if the PC has been cancelled 5hrs before its due to begin.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2015, 10:29:59 AM
Deal could be off.  Typical Lerner by the sounds of it.

What do you mean by typical Lerner? And where have you read that the deal could be off?

If its 50 50, then that to me means it could be off.

Reading between the lines, it seems we are reluctant  at the agents fee request.  We desperatly need to strengthen the squad, so why are we mucking about?

Where have you read that it's 50/50?

Transfers hit snags all the time, especially when buying from abroad. People were posting things like 'Typical Villa' when the Sanchez transfer took a little while longer than expected.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: andyh on January 13, 2015, 10:32:10 AM
I really can't muster any enthusiasm for this deal while Lambert is still manager.
Right now, I couldn't  care less less whether this chap signs or not.   
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 10:33:18 AM
I really can't muster any enthusiasm for this deal while Lambert is still manager.
Right now, I couldn't  care less less whether this chap signs or not.   

ditto.

I just want him gone.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: SteveN on January 13, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
I really can't muster any enthusiasm for this deal while Lambert is still manager.
Right now, I couldn't  care less less whether this chap signs or not.   

ditto.

I just want him gone.

A bit harsh he hasn't got here yet.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Boz on January 13, 2015, 10:52:13 AM
Villa's big fan Pat Murphy  ;) is on the BBC web site saying there's a prpblem over the agent's fee. Shouldn't the Villa's negotiators have agreed these out in advance, not at the last minute.

Does anyone at B6 know what they are doing?

Piss Up and Brewery come to mind.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2015, 10:53:58 AM
Villa's big fan Pat Murphy  ;) is on the BBC web site saying there's a prpblem over the agent's fee. Shouldn't the Villa's negotiators have agreed these out in advance, not at the last minute.

Does anyone at B6 know what they are doing?

Piss Up and Brewery come to mind.

And here's another one who dosen't understand how complicated transfers can be sometimes.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2015, 11:02:34 AM
Agents ...grrrrr...dirty filthy greedy scum but I guess we will not let this go because of his/her fee.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2015, 11:03:00 AM
Clampy it's a bit previous to tell all about a press conference for a player without actually having the deal done. As if a press conference for a bit part player for 3m wasn't small time enough already.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: DrGonzo on January 13, 2015, 11:05:07 AM
It's just another sign of how far our once great club has fallen.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 13, 2015, 11:05:14 AM
Villa's big fan Pat Murphy  ;) is on the BBC web site saying there's a prpblem over the agent's fee. Shouldn't the Villa's negotiators have agreed these out in advance, not at the last minute.

Does anyone at B6 know what they are doing?

Piss Up and Brewery come to mind.

please enlighten us, what part of transfer dealings should be agreed in advance and what should be agreed at the last minute? When does in advance become last minute? How long does the last minute last for?

I'm no expert but I would imagine that most transfers take place over a number of days/weeks, during which lots of things have to be agreed and at any point during those discussions, things may crop up which may or may not be resolved. I am not sure what order those things need to be agreed, if that order is the same for all transfers, and if something can't be agreed that it is necessarily the clubs fault all the time.

what if the agent, at the last minute (if we are indeed in the last minute yet) decided to double the fees that he wanted. Should the club just pay up anyway so that they aren't seen to be fucking up "at the last minute"?

very few of us know the process that these deals go through so lets just hope that it comes to a satisfactory resolution without starting to think that the world is coming to an end
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 13, 2015, 11:06:21 AM
It's just another sign of how far our once great club has fallen.

I presume that is tongue in cheek?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: DrGonzo on January 13, 2015, 11:06:46 AM
No word filter then?  If we are stuck with Lambert we are going to need new blood or a miracle, I was briefly buoyed this morning with the thought of a "creative" player in the door, back to square one =(
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2015, 11:07:26 AM
Clampy it's a bit previous to tell all about a press conference for a player without actually having the deal done. As if a press conference for a bit part player for 3m wasn't small time enough already.

I agree holding a press conference is a little unusual, for us anyway. As for the transfer, it must have been a very last minute hitch. It happens.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2015, 11:13:30 AM
It's just another sign of how far our once great club has fallen.
That is not true when it comes to transfers. We have managed transfers better than most if not all clubs. Just wait it will be done.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Boz on January 13, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
Villa's big fan Pat Murphy  ;) is on the BBC web site saying there's a prpblem over the agent's fee. Shouldn't the Villa's negotiators have agreed these out in advance, not at the last minute.

Does anyone at B6 know what they are doing?

Piss Up and Brewery come to mind.


please enlighten us, what part of transfer dealings should be agreed in advance and what should be agreed at the last minute? When does in advance become last minute? How long does the last minute last for?

I'm no expert but I would imagine that most transfers take place over a number of days/weeks, during which lots of things have to be agreed and at any point during those discussions, things may crop up which may or may not be resolved. I am not sure what order those things need to be agreed, if that order is the same for all transfers, and if something can't be agreed that it is necessarily the clubs fault all the time.

what if the agent, at the last minute (if we are indeed in the last minute yet) decided to double the fees that he wanted. Should the club just pay up anyway so that they aren't seen to be fucking up "at the last minute"?

very few of us know the process that these deals go through so lets just hope that it comes to a satisfactory resolution without starting to think that the world is coming to an end

I'm well aware contract negotiations are often tricky and changeable, and of course the agent could have wanted double his fees once at B6, thinking he's in a strong position, but the Villa management team should have made their position clear before the meeting regarding the agent's commission, and that they wouldn't be held to ransom.

I certainly don't think the world is coming to an end if we don't sign a player who has yet to establish himself at Valencia.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 13, 2015, 11:17:52 AM
Villa's big fan Pat Murphy  ;) is on the BBC web site saying there's a prpblem over the agent's fee. Shouldn't the Villa's negotiators have agreed these out in advance, not at the last minute.

Does anyone at B6 know what they are doing?

Piss Up and Brewery come to mind.


please enlighten us, what part of transfer dealings should be agreed in advance and what should be agreed at the last minute? When does in advance become last minute? How long does the last minute last for?

I'm no expert but I would imagine that most transfers take place over a number of days/weeks, during which lots of things have to be agreed and at any point during those discussions, things may crop up which may or may not be resolved. I am not sure what order those things need to be agreed, if that order is the same for all transfers, and if something can't be agreed that it is necessarily the clubs fault all the time.

what if the agent, at the last minute (if we are indeed in the last minute yet) decided to double the fees that he wanted. Should the club just pay up anyway so that they aren't seen to be fucking up "at the last minute"?

very few of us know the process that these deals go through so lets just hope that it comes to a satisfactory resolution without starting to think that the world is coming to an end

I'm well aware contract negotiations are often tricky and changeable, and of course the agent could have wanted double his fees once at B6, thinking he's in a strong position, but the Villa management team should have made their position clear before the meeting regarding the agent's commission, and that they wouldn't be held to ransom.

I certainly don't think the world is coming to an end if we don't sign a player who has yet to establish himself at Valencia.


that's exactly my point though, they may well have made their position clear and agreed the agents fees yesterday/the day before/last week - that still doesn't stop the agent suddenly saying that he wants double - we just don't know

and I agree with olaftab, over the last few years, we have dealt with transfers very well. Probably because no-one else wants most of the players we end up with :-)
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2015, 11:20:27 AM
Villa's big fan Pat Murphy  ;) is on the BBC web site saying there's a prpblem over the agent's fee. Shouldn't the Villa's negotiators have agreed these out in advance, not at the last minute.

Does anyone at B6 know what they are doing?

Piss Up and Brewery come to mind.


please enlighten us, what part of transfer dealings should be agreed in advance and what should be agreed at the last minute? When does in advance become last minute? How long does the last minute last for?

I'm no expert but I would imagine that most transfers take place over a number of days/weeks, during which lots of things have to be agreed and at any point during those discussions, things may crop up which may or may not be resolved. I am not sure what order those things need to be agreed, if that order is the same for all transfers, and if something can't be agreed that it is necessarily the clubs fault all the time.

what if the agent, at the last minute (if we are indeed in the last minute yet) decided to double the fees that he wanted. Should the club just pay up anyway so that they aren't seen to be fucking up "at the last minute"?

very few of us know the process that these deals go through so lets just hope that it comes to a satisfactory resolution without starting to think that the world is coming to an end

I'm well aware contract negotiations are often tricky and changeable, and of course the agent could have wanted double his fees once at B6, thinking he's in a strong position, but the Villa management team should have made their position clear before the meeting regarding the agent's commission, and that they wouldn't be held to ransom.



You make it sound so simple and straightforward.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2015, 11:25:21 AM
Villa's big fan Pat Murphy  ;) is on the BBC web site saying there's a prpblem over the agent's fee. Shouldn't the Villa's negotiators have agreed these out in advance, not at the last minute.

Does anyone at B6 know what they are doing?

Piss Up and Brewery come to mind.


please enlighten us, what part of transfer dealings should be agreed in advance and what should be agreed at the last minute? When does in advance become last minute? How long does the last minute last for?

I'm no expert but I would imagine that most transfers take place over a number of days/weeks, during which lots of things have to be agreed and at any point during those discussions, things may crop up which may or may not be resolved. I am not sure what order those things need to be agreed, if that order is the same for all transfers, and if something can't be agreed that it is necessarily the clubs fault all the time.

what if the agent, at the last minute (if we are indeed in the last minute yet) decided to double the fees that he wanted. Should the club just pay up anyway so that they aren't seen to be fucking up "at the last minute"?

very few of us know the process that these deals go through so lets just hope that it comes to a satisfactory resolution without starting to think that the world is coming to an end

I'm well aware contract negotiations are often tricky and changeable, and of course the agent could have wanted double his fees once at B6, thinking he's in a strong position, but the Villa management team should have made their position clear before the meeting regarding the agent's commission, and that they wouldn't be held to ransom.

I certainly don't think the world is coming to an end if we don't sign a player who has yet to establish himself at Valencia.


that's exactly my point though, they may well have made their position clear and agreed the agents fees yesterday/the day before/last week - that still doesn't stop the agent suddenly saying that he wants double - we just don't know
Fully agree.

There's a lot of bad stuff hanging around the club at the moment, but a useful-looking transfer that we had no idea about this time last week taking an extra day because of an agent messing around isn't really too high up that list.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
I agree but holding a press conference that you have to cancel makes you look silly without the need to and adds to the image of complete chaos
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2015, 12:01:10 PM
I agree but holding a press conference that you have to cancel makes you look silly without the need to and adds to the image of complete chaos
There's nothing on the club website or Twitter feed about a press conference being cancelled, or even being announced in the first place.

When did the club say that these things were (or indeed, weren't) happening?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: David_Nab on January 13, 2015, 12:05:17 PM
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/carles-gil-says-he-s-a-little-sad-over-aston-villa-transfer-but-i

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Gil has been quoted by Spanish newspaper Marca as saying "I'm going with a thorn. The Mestalla has not seen the real Carles Gil. For one or other circumstances I could not prove everything I wanted here, but I've been at Valencia since age five, it's the club of my life and I want to thank everyone who has helped me and the fans for the support they have given me. I hope it is a goodbye for now and then we'll soon meet again."

Asked if it was his dream to return to Valencia, Gil said "Life is very long and many things happen. I hope that we can see in the future."

Whilst Gil may be sad, he's well aware of the opportunity being handed to him by Aston Villa and is keen to prove himself a good signing "It's a very important opportunity, because they are a very strong team who counted on me, an important club in England. I'm raring to go there and do well."
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2015, 12:09:09 PM
Well let's hope he gets the chance.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: David_Nab on January 13, 2015, 12:17:27 PM
http://www.plazadeportiva.com/ver/31023/carles-gil-pasa-reconocimiento-medico-y-ya-es-jugador-del-aston-villa.html

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VALENCIA. Carles Gil is new player and Aston Villa. The agreement between clubs is closed on Sunday and the player traveled this Monday night, after saying goodbye to all members of the club in Paterna, to pass a medical examination and sign the contract you join the club of Birmingham for this season and five more.

Early Tuesday, they were still closing the last fringes of negotiation between the player and the English club itself, but it has now been resolved and the player has passed without any problems medical tests that leave completely done deal.

With this operation the Valencia receives via four million euros and over two variables and the Valencian entity a right of first refusal is stored in a future sale of the player and if not run receive 10% of the transfer.

The intention of Aston Villa is that Carles Gil debut next weekend in the game against Liverpool and coach Paul Lambert has very confident that with the arrival of Valencian young can end equipment problems, which takes four games unmarked and is in a major crisis of results.

Medical passed

Nice translation of our current issues at the end  :)
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: adrenachrome on January 13, 2015, 12:21:30 PM
http://www.plazadeportiva.com/ver/31023/carles-gil-pasa-reconocimiento-medico-y-ya-es-jugador-del-aston-villa.html

Quote
VALENCIA. Carles Gil is new player and Aston Villa. The agreement between clubs is closed on Sunday and the player traveled this Monday night, after saying goodbye to all members of the club in Paterna, to pass a medical examination and sign the contract you join the club of Birmingham for this season and five more.

Early Tuesday, they were still closing the last fringes of negotiation between the player and the English club itself, but it has now been resolved and the player has passed without any problems medical tests that leave completely done deal.

With this operation the Valencia receives via four million euros and over two variables and the Valencian entity a right of first refusal is stored in a future sale of the player and if not run receive 10% of the transfer.

The intention of Aston Villa is that Carles Gil debut next weekend in the game against Liverpool and coach Paul Lambert has very confident that with the arrival of Valencian young can end equipment problems, which takes four games unmarked and is in a major crisis of results.

Medical passed

Nice translation of our current issues at the end  :)

Heartening to hear that " Paul Lambert has very confident that with the arrival of Valencian young can end equipment problems".
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 12:38:56 PM
I agree but holding a press conference that you have to cancel makes you look silly without the need to and adds to the image of complete chaos

Same here, I don't get the press conference to announce signing an unestablished player who virtually no one has heard of. If they want to give the fans a boost sack that fucking clown Lambert and we will all be dancing in the streets.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 12:47:03 PM
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/carles-gil-says-he-s-a-little-sad-over-aston-villa-transfer-but-i

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Gil has been quoted by Spanish newspaper Marca as saying "I'm going with a thorn. The Mestalla has not seen the real Carles Gil. For one or other circumstances I could not prove everything I wanted here, but I've been at Valencia since age five, it's the club of my life and I want to thank everyone who has helped me and the fans for the support they have given me. I hope it is a goodbye for now and then we'll soon meet again."

Asked if it was his dream to return to Valencia, Gil said "Life is very long and many things happen. I hope that we can see in the future."

Whilst Gil may be sad, he's well aware of the opportunity being handed to him by Aston Villa and is keen to prove himself a good signing "It's a very important opportunity, because they are a very strong team who counted on me, an important club in England. I'm raring to go there and do well."

Sounds like the trasnfer will happen, just the size of the agent's bung requires a bit more faffing around with. I cannot see a deal being scuppered because of this, the agent will be paid, its just a question of how much and when. If Lambert wants him to start on Saturday then we will get it done in the next 24/48 hours.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
Pete Colley says we're hopeful it will go through today.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Des Little on January 13, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
Who's told the poor bastard that we're a 'strong team'?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 13, 2015, 02:41:09 PM
I can't help but read his name as Careless Gil.  Hope it's not the case as we have enough of that variety as it is.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
I can't help but thinking he's asked Sanchez if he knows any decent players!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
Spanish press saying that enough brown envelopes have been found for the agent and that its done.

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Tuscans on January 13, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4416456,00.html

Done....

Welcome Carles
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Tuscans on January 13, 2015, 04:02:00 PM
Paul Lambert has declared that new signing Carles Gil will help to "add that creative spark that we have been lacking" after the Spanish U21 international completed his move from Valencia.

The 22-year-old attacking midfielder, who can operate on either flank or behind a striker, signed a four-and-a-half year deal to June 2019 subject to international clearance.

Gil is a product of the youth system at Valencia, his home city, and made his senior debut for their B team in 2009 as a 17-year-old.

He was loaned to Valencian neighbours Elche for two seasons, helping them secure promotion to La Liga in 2012-13 and then playing a key role alongside his new Villa team-mate Carlos Sanchez as they retained their status in the top-flight for the first time in more than 40 years in 2013-14.

"We've been on the lookout for a creative player and he will certainly bring that extra element to the side," said manager Lambert.

"He's only 22 years of age but he will come here and give us something I don't think we have at the moment. He can play either role, coming in off the sides or playing in behind as well.

"He can create chances and get those chances put away. He has a lot to offer and I know we can get the best out of him."

Gil also expressed his excitement at joining the club and confirmed his desire to make his mark in the Premier League.

"Once I knew that this club was interested in me I wanted to join.

"I am really looking forward to playing here and showing the fans what I can do.

"I can play on either side or in the middle of midfield and I like playing as part of the team, making things happen for my teammates.

"This is a very historic club in England, a very important club in the Premier League, and I am looking forward to playing for such a great club in a league that is the top league in the world."
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: The Left Side on January 13, 2015, 04:05:58 PM
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4416456,00.html

Done....

Welcome Carles

Welcome Charles "Charlie" Gil, shame we couldn't turn the lights on for him!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: villadelph on January 13, 2015, 04:06:46 PM
Fantastic news.

Straight in to the team.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
Fantastic news.

Straight in to the team.

fuck that make him manager
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 13, 2015, 04:10:14 PM
Finally a play-maker, though not really a goal scorer. But one compliments the other.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 04:11:52 PM
Welcome son, no pressure you've just got to create everything now :)
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 13, 2015, 04:13:12 PM
Welcome aboard. Hope you can produce miracles or at least create some chances. Hopefully it spells the end of Nzogbia in the shirt.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 13, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
Welcome , good luck


Lets hope the manager doesn't suck out your talent
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: john e on January 13, 2015, 04:15:36 PM
Watch us go shooting up that league now and also win the FA cup
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 04:16:22 PM
We've signed a really highly rated young player from one of the best sides in Spain, with one of the best academies going and for a song too.

Somewhere on a Valencia forum right now, people are having the Spanish equivalent of the Cahill/Knight argument. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: fredm on January 13, 2015, 04:19:26 PM
Fantastic news.

Straight in to the team.

I would guess that with Mr Mustn't take a risk in charge, he will not be in the starting X1
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Richard E on January 13, 2015, 04:19:54 PM
fuck that make him manager

Why do you want to give him Ads' job?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ron Manager on January 13, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Well we might see a bit of skill now. He has said all the right things about the club lets just hope he can make his undoubted talent work for the team.

Welcome Carles to the greatest muslim city in the world!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Richard E on January 13, 2015, 04:20:38 PM
Who's told the poor bastard that we're a 'strong team'?

<insert lazy old joke about holding up the rest of the table here>
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 04:23:26 PM
Watch us go shooting up that league now and also win the FA cup

If we won the FA Cup this year we would be in the unusual position of having an incredibly inept manager who we want to see the back of... at the same time being a bloody legend who I would have no option but to love forever.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 04:24:44 PM
Some fan opinions on a Valencia message board. 64% thought they should keep him or loan him out.

http://valenciacflosche.proboards.com/thread/816/carles-gil (http://valenciacflosche.proboards.com/thread/816/carles-gil)
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
Sounds like his best position is LW and he has some talent.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
Welcome Carles and good luck.

To those who were whinging earlier, I hope you feel a bit silly.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: DrGonzo on January 13, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
This just goes to show how far our once lowly club has risen.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 04:32:37 PM
Very pleased with this. On one of the rare occassions we've looked good recently, Burnley in the first hour or so, it was because we had Cole looking like an alien in our midfield with his movement and positive play. Gil, from the little I have seen, looks very quick and direct.

We've been crying out for a player who can play between the lines and offer some guile for a long time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
Apparently Gil is like Pienaar at Everton, lacks pace but high energy.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: simon ward 50 on January 13, 2015, 04:36:34 PM
Welcome Carles!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2015, 04:38:39 PM
Lambert (relaxed, professional tone of voice): "So, I hope that's everything agreed Carles, and you can sign now"

Carles: 'Yes, I will sign now"

*signs contract*

Lambert: *immediately bursts into tears* "OHMYGOD YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME CHANCES TO SCORE, I JUST CAN'T MAKE THEM DO IT, WE'RE ALL RELYING ON YOU PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE DONT LET US DOWN"
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: adrenachrome on January 13, 2015, 04:40:39 PM
Not before time, and a lot more exciting than say, Wes Hoolahan.  The only drawback is that he might need a while to settle in to the pace of the Prem.



Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ron Manager on January 13, 2015, 04:40:45 PM
So if we buy Defoe (short term) and Lennon (2-3) years we might look like a good team.

But of course we will not. Senor Gill will be shocked at the technical incompetence and movement of Agbonlahor and Weimann.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 04:43:37 PM
Lambert (relaxed, professional tone of voice): "So, I hope that's everything agreed Carles, and you can sign now"

Carles: 'Yes, I will sign now"

*signs contract*

Lambert: *immediately bursts into tears* "OHMYGOD YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME CHANCES TO SCORE, I JUST CAN'T MAKE THEM DO IT, WE'RE ALL RELYING ON YOU PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE DONT LET US DOWN"

*Carles looks out of window at the on-going training to see Weimann and Gabby trapped inside the netting of a goal and unable to escape.*
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 13, 2015, 04:44:54 PM


Nice gym at Bodymoor!
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 13, 2015, 04:49:42 PM
This just goes to show how far our once lowly club has risen.
Second time today you've made me chuckle DrG!

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 04:54:10 PM
he's got a confident swagger about him
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Welcome Carles please save us from the boredom.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: walsall villain on January 13, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
Just hope the championship isn't too physical for you Carles.

Yes, that dark cloud of despair hanging over me hasn't lifted yet, need someone decent to play alongside Benteke before the goals return
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Monty on January 13, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
He's got a really lovely first touch, from what I've seen of him. Quite the contrast from from Weimonlahor.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 13, 2015, 04:57:52 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Carles!




Ignore everything Lambert tells you.

Instead, control the ball with ease, run past opposition players with the ball at your feet, pass it someone in a claret and blue shirt, make yourself available to receive a pass now and again and score a few goals.
In a very short time we will all love you.

Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: not3bad on January 13, 2015, 04:58:32 PM
Welcome Carles.  We want goals.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
Lambert (relaxed, professional tone of voice): "So, I hope that's everything agreed Carles, and you can sign now"

Carles: 'Yes, I will sign now"

*signs contract*

Lambert: *immediately bursts into tears* "OHMYGOD YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME CHANCES TO SCORE, I JUST CAN'T MAKE THEM DO IT, WE'RE ALL RELYING ON YOU PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE DONT LET US DOWN"

*Carles looks out of window at the on-going training to see Weimann and Gabby trapped inside the netting of a goal and unable to escape.*

"On his first day of training, Carles observes Gabby working on his ball skills"

(http://i.imgur.com/rwH9W.gif)
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Loxton01 on January 13, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Well let's hope he can bring some creativity to the team! Let's hope he's not another Luna! He must be blooded immediately the fans need a boost

For me we now need to get a midfielder who can drive at opposition and another winger and I'd suggest then there's a bit of hope

I think the keeper and defence are ok I'd then play one of Sanchez or Westwood but not both to protect I'd go for Sanchez despite he may offer the odd clanger he offers much more than Westwood who needs to do much more

We then have Delph and we need another midfielder with pace who is prepared to take a man on as the likes of cleverley and Richardson are not up to it! I'd rather Richardson than cleverley as he's more mobile! Cleverley can go for me

Then I'd have Gil Benteke and one other I'd love Januzai and Sinclair or Lennon would be better than what we have!

I'd be open to offers for gabby and nzog and be giving weimann a complete rocket

We have players who are not performing they have six months to prove their worth or they can go! They won't think twice if were in the championship
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2015, 05:03:17 PM
Lambert (relaxed, professional tone of voice): "So, I hope that's everything agreed Carles, and you can sign now"

Carles: 'Yes, I will sign now"

*signs contract*

Lambert: *immediately bursts into tears* "OHMYGOD YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME CHANCES TO SCORE, I JUST CAN'T MAKE THEM DO IT, WE'RE ALL RELYING ON YOU PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE DONT LET US DOWN"

*Carles looks out of window at the on-going training to see Weimann and Gabby trapped inside the netting of a goal and unable to escape.*

"On his first day of training, Carles observes Gabby working on his ball skills"

(http://i.imgur.com/rwH9W.gif)

That's Lambert's horse. Notice how he passes it sideways...
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2015, 05:04:16 PM
Well let's hope he can bring some creativity to the team! Let's hope he's not another Luna! He must be blooded immediately the fans need a boost

No worries there.

I recently read a scientific journal which said there are only two men of Spanish citizenship who were born without a natural sense of ball control, and they've both played for us already.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: silhillvilla on January 13, 2015, 05:11:53 PM
Welcome Carles .
Hopefully this is end of days for Cleverly .
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 13, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
Welcome Carles.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2015, 05:20:09 PM
So from what we know, is he a 'number 10' or more of a wide player?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2015, 05:20:48 PM
Welcome Carles .
Hopefully this is end of days for Cleverly .

He's a been a let down, granted, but I don't wish him a personal armageddon.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: silhillvilla on January 13, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Is jack Woodward the face of aston villa now ?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: villadelph on January 13, 2015, 05:34:02 PM
So from what we know, is he a 'number 10' or more of a wide player?

Is Weimann a number 10?
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 13, 2015, 05:48:31 PM
Looks a good signing this. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 05:49:20 PM
Is jack Woodward the face of aston villa now ?

Being greeted by Jack must be like walking in to Alan Partridges studio for the first time. Another forward and we should be flying, no more excuses.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 13, 2015, 05:55:31 PM
Keep us up Carles. No pressure.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2015, 06:06:40 PM
Carles - your mission - feed the Beast. Keep him happy.

That is all.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/f2/a3/0,,10265~13411314,00.jpg)

He's very small. Or we have an enormous photographer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2015, 06:13:06 PM
At least he looks exciting.  Since we looked at Coutinho last year its clear we are after player like him so lets hope he can spark us a bit. Sinclair and another forward thinking midfielder to banish Cleverly and Gabby would be nice...
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 13, 2015, 06:17:25 PM
Welcome on board son. Now let's get another wide forward and a new central midfielder and I will start to be positive.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paulcomben on January 13, 2015, 06:17:51 PM
Yes agreed. Straight in to the team to give them all a boost to try harder, at least.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: citizenDJ on January 13, 2015, 06:28:14 PM
Welcome Carles .
Hopefully this is end of days for Cleverly .

I don't know, I can't help but think that Cleverley might be just the sort of player to have in the team alongside a couple of more creative players.

Or he would be, if he wasn't so crap.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Legion on January 13, 2015, 06:30:21 PM
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11593_1003508563010035_8883922170931278942_n.jpg?oh=22ad07598156814a39336b19189db3e1&oe=552AE457)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ian. on January 13, 2015, 06:30:51 PM
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/f2/a3/0,,10265~13411314,00.jpg)

He's very small. Or we have an enormous photographer.
We've signed one of the Borrowers.

Welcome wee man.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/f2/a3/0,,10265~13411314,00.jpg)


Welcome to the Spanish Bannan.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2015, 06:39:03 PM
At least he looks exciting.  Since we looked at Coutinho last year its clear we are after player like him so lets hope he can spark us a bit. Sinclair and another forward thinking midfielder to banish Cleverly and Gabby would be nice...

We might have been looking even longer when you think we were in for Dempsey (I know it's debatable as to whether it was to get the Benteke deal done).
Title: Re: Carles Gil
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2015, 06:46:51 PM
At least he looks exciting.  Since we looked at Coutinho last year its clear we are after player like him so lets hope he can spark us a bit. Sinclair and another forward thinking midfielder to banish Cleverly and Gabby would be nice...

Watching him play at Liverpool over the past couple of seasons, I can't help but think the difference he could have made to us.  Hopefully we've addressed that void now. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 13, 2015, 06:48:26 PM
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/f2/a3/0,,10265~13411314,00.jpg)


Welcome to the Spanish Bannan.

God I hope not. Anyway, he's smiling rather than scowling.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 13, 2015, 06:49:57 PM
Maybe he's just far away?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paulcomben on January 13, 2015, 06:56:24 PM
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11593_1003508563010035_8883922170931278942_n.jpg?oh=22ad07598156814a39336b19189db3e1&oe=552AE457)

Yes indeed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: manic-road on January 13, 2015, 06:58:14 PM
Welcome Carles, that's half of the Cleverley budget gone  :)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paulcomben on January 13, 2015, 06:58:20 PM
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/f2/a3/0,,10265~13411314,00.jpg)


Welcome to the Spanish Bannan.


Hope you don't mean a jug of Sangria then a motorway spin in the Evoque.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2015, 07:03:59 PM
Welcome Carles!

By the way, can I call first dibs on the nickname "Whisper" for him?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Legion on January 13, 2015, 07:04:57 PM
Careless?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 13, 2015, 07:09:15 PM
We've needed a proper number 10 since Merse went, and maybe since we fucked up the Juninho deal? Keane was decent for a short spell in 2012
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 07:10:23 PM
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/f2/a3/0,,10265~13411314,00.jpg)

He's very small. Or we have an enormous photographer.

Its Bentekevision.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2015, 07:11:20 PM
Welcome Charlie. You have joined a fantastic football club albeit a very ordinary team at the moment😍
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
Wonder if we'll see Delph out the club now
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2015, 07:20:37 PM
Careless?

No flies on you Leeg!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villadelph on January 13, 2015, 08:08:00 PM
Welcome Carles, that's half of the Cleverley budget gone  :)

Win win.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Welcome son, no pressure you've just got to create everything now :)
What...everything?  But God has already done that!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 13, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa. May you have a great career and turn out to be the greatest player we've ever had.

Not wanting to put too much pressure on, but...could you please score a goal or two and put it on a plate for some of the others to score as well please. Thanks. Xx
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 08:25:37 PM
Welcome son, no pressure you've just got to create everything now :)
What...everything?  But God has already done that!

Nah, In Gil we trust.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 13, 2015, 08:53:24 PM
Interested to see what he can do but let's not expect too much straight away

Transfermarkt suggests he's managed one goal and a couple of assists per season so far, in his home country
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2015, 08:55:25 PM
Interested to see what he can do but let's not expect too much straight away

Transfermarkt suggests he's managed one goal and a couple of assists per season so far, in his home country

That's the first thing I read about him and wasn't too enthused. Then I read a Valencia msg board and they rate him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2015, 08:57:31 PM
Yeah we should be patient with him. As long as by the end of the season he has 10 goals and 20 assists, i'll give him time to settle.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 13, 2015, 09:02:01 PM
Interested to see what he can do but let's not expect too much straight away

Transfermarkt suggests he's managed one goal and a couple of assists per season so far, in his home country

That's the first thing I read about him and wasn't too enthused. Then I read a Valencia msg board and they rate him.

Valencia's manager "Nuno" Herlander Simões Espírito Santo seems to rate him as well, judging by his comments.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on January 13, 2015, 09:06:12 PM
Doubt he will hit the ground running but I will try and remain optimistic.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Pete3206 on January 13, 2015, 09:13:44 PM
Looking forward to his debut on about 81 minutes on Saturday.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on January 13, 2015, 09:16:47 PM
Looking forward to his debut on about 81 minutes on Saturday.
Don't count your chickens . He will probably out on loan to Oldham  (or equiv) by Friday .
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 13, 2015, 09:21:46 PM
Looking forward to his debut on about 81 minutes on Saturday.
Don't count your chickens . He will probably out on loan to Oldham  (or equiv) by Friday .
If he doesn't have a criminal record they won't take him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: DeKuip on January 13, 2015, 10:03:59 PM
Welcome Carles, if you turn out to be half as good to watch as David Silva you'll do for me.

The booing noise you'll hear at full time is just a friendly local custom to signal the end of the siesta, take no notice.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 13, 2015, 10:29:35 PM
At least we now have a player that rhymes with the club name

Aston Villa Nil
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: exigo on January 13, 2015, 10:32:16 PM
#RezarPorGoles
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2015, 10:46:08 PM
Welcome Carles. That white stuff on the floor is snow, unless Bozzie and Yorkie have had a reunion.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2015, 10:48:26 PM
Welcome Carles, if you turn out to be half as good to watch as David Silva you'll do for me.

The booing noise you'll hear at full time is just a friendly local custom to signal the end of the siesta, take no notice.


My god just imagine he is half as good as Silva! That would be the best signing Lambert has made yet.

Prays quietly in the corner to the Lord Paul.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2015, 10:51:40 PM
Welcome Carles. That white stuff on the floor is snow, unless Bozzie and Yorkie have had a reunion.

Or the collective release of thousands of Villa fans on seeing a goal.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2015, 10:53:44 PM
Welcome Carles. That white stuff on the floor is snow, unless Bozzie and Yorkie have had a reunion.

It the collective release of thousands of Villa fans on seeing a goal.

Once the shock wears off maybe.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on January 14, 2015, 01:04:39 AM


YouTube embedding tool isn't working for me.


Is it me, or did anyone else notice that out of the whole seven minutes of that video they didn't include his "one goal" in Spain?  How odd...

It is an area we need to improve in.  But this just strikes me as a Lambert punt who he has gotten in because he is cheap, rather than idenitifying someone better who would cost about the same or just a little more.  His age and whether he is pyhsical enough for the english game are my two main concerns.  But good luck to him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 01:10:35 AM
Here you go



Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Jim Shoes on January 14, 2015, 01:12:42 AM
A big WELCOME Carles Gil I wish you a long and fruitful Villa career, Unfortunately you have just arrived in time for the pantomime season so if you look around towards The Holte End and wonder where are the "fans" are please excuse them for their tardiness some will be a little late.

I want Lambert 's football to change, I don't dislike Lambert himself just that the style of football he serves up is so negative but what this signing is saying to me is the Lambert has finally realised what most of us have been complaining about and is trying to address the issue within the budget constraints placed upon him. This is the time to support the club not tear it apart with stupid embarrassing demonstration during a game.   
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2015, 01:53:03 AM
Nice to see Lorna, our players' liaison officer, showing him round.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 14, 2015, 08:35:57 AM
I This is the time to support the club not tear it apart   

If this is aimed at Randy I absolutely agree
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 14, 2015, 08:48:19 AM
I hope you can walk on water Carles cause you've got a job on. Good luck. You're going to need it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2015, 09:31:07 AM
Interested to see what he can do but let's not expect too much straight away

Transfermarkt suggests he's managed one goal and a couple of assists per season so far, in his home country

That's the first thing I read about him and wasn't too enthused. Then I read a Valencia msg board and they rate him.

Valencia's manager "Nuno" Herlander Simões Espírito Santo seems to rate him as well, judging by his comments.

I'm not too bothered if he gets loads of goals or assists, they're obviously useful but the most important thing he can do is give opposition defences something other than Benteke to worry about.  The main problem we have right now is that teams know they can push Gabby, Weimann and/or Nzog deeper and pick them off in midfield so they can afford to get both centre backs and maybe even a fullback across to crowd Benteke, that's the main reason we're struggling to get him involved.  it's also why he's getting so frustrated with other players because on the odd occasion that he does get a yard of space we don't find him with the ball anything like quickly or accurately enough.  If Gil picks it up and beats men and draws players out of position he's doing his job, and he appears to be very good at doing exactly that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
I was thinking about that Paul too. We have hopefully doubled the number of players that the opposition have to worry about, which should make it a little easier for both of them to create/score.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tom jennings III on January 14, 2015, 09:47:33 AM
Bienvenido Carles!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2015, 10:37:07 AM

I want Lambert 's football to change, I don't dislike Lambert himself just that the style of football he serves up is so negative but what this signing is saying to me is the Lambert has finally realised what most of us have been complaining about and is trying to address the issue within the budget constraints placed upon him. This is the time to support the club not tear it apart with stupid embarrassing demonstration during a game.   

I'd like Lambert to get the sack. He should have got it ages ago, and on several occasions.

The fact is, though, he isn't, so given that, I'd like him to stop being so shit and start getting us playing football and getting results. Or at least goals.

Hopefully this, and another, signing will help.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave Javu on January 14, 2015, 11:00:30 AM
Is he any relation to Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Gil)?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2015, 11:13:18 AM
Is he any relation to Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Gil)?

As a follower of Jesus, I find your underlining of the word "Jesus" to be extremely offensive.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave Javu on January 14, 2015, 11:21:12 AM
I can't stop calling him "Benny" Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Damo70 on January 14, 2015, 11:24:09 AM
Is he any relation to Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Gil)?

As a follower of Jesus, I find your underlining of the word "Jesus" to be extremely offensive.


It is actually Heh Zeus Hill in the correct Spanish pronunciation as apposed to saying it like Jee Zus Gill. So there.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 14, 2015, 12:05:16 PM
 hope that he turns out to be the player we need, I think the correct creative midfielder could make a major difference to us and make us into a decent team

However, we have to bear in mind that we have paid just over 3 million for him, we haven't signed David Silva or Samir Nasri. Lets hope he turns out to be a bargain but try not to expect too much
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2015, 12:15:24 PM
hope that he turns out to be the player we need, I think the correct creative midfielder could make a major difference to us and make us into a decent team

However, we have to bear in mind that we have paid just over 3 million for him, we haven't signed David Silva or Samir Nasri. Lets hope he turns out to be a bargain but try not to expect too much
But then Swansea weren't complaining when they picked up Michu for a couple of million from the same league.

You're right to say not to expect too much, but I'm pretty sure that any Spaniard apart from Luna and Cuellar would give us more flair and creativity than we currently have.

Even if weren't actually a footballer, just being Spanish would probably be enough.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: footyskillz on January 14, 2015, 12:27:33 PM
By all accounts good positive singing. I  was aware we were interested in Matty Grimes but felt he wasn't ready for premier league 1st team action . Obviously Villa are hoping for this move to be a success and I can compare Alvarez at Sunderland who has come in to their club as a player of similar attributes. (Note has taking time to settle.quality player, similar lamela of spurs both may not be suited to premier league)  Playing wise I would say you're looking at similar play making qualities of Carlos vela or Giovanni Santos and Carzola and Silva at the top end. Keep the faith.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 14, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
hope that he turns out to be the player we need, I think the correct creative midfielder could make a major difference to us and make us into a decent team

However, we have to bear in mind that we have paid just over 3 million for him, we haven't signed David Silva or Samir Nasri. Lets hope he turns out to be a bargain but try not to expect too much
But then Swansea weren't complaining when they picked up Michu for a couple of million from the same league.

You're right to say not to expect too much, but I'm pretty sure that any Spaniard apart from Luna and Cuellar would give us more flair and creativity than we currently have.

Even if weren't actually a footballer, just being Spanish would probably be enough.

if he has anything like the impact that Michu had in his first season I would be delighted

in fact, where is Michu now? Can't we sign him as well?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2015, 01:02:03 PM
Is he any relation to Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Gil)?

As a follower of Jesus, I find your underlining of the word "Jesus" to be extremely offensive.


It is actually Heh Zeus Hill in the correct Spanish pronunciation as apposed to saying it like Jee Zus Gill. So there.

The entire Spanish speaking world is nothing but a running dog infidel for using the name Jesus in the first place. Etc etc etc
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 14, 2015, 01:30:01 PM
From Lambert - "he should be good once he is fit" - ffs - been playing for a top side in La Liga, how unfit can he be?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
By all accounts good positive singing. I  was aware we were interested in Matty Grimes but felt he wasn't ready for premier league 1st team action . Obviously Villa are hoping for this move to be a success and I can compare Alvarez at Sunderland who has come in to their club as a player of similar attributes. (Note has taking time to settle.quality player, similar lamela of spurs both may not be suited to premier league)  Playing wise I would say you're looking at similar play making qualities of Carlos vela or Giovanni Santos and Carzola and Silva at the top end. Keep the faith.

Cheers, lad.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ger Regan on January 14, 2015, 01:46:48 PM
From Lambert - "he should be good once he is fit" - ffs - been playing for a top side in La Liga, how unfit can he be?
11 times this season only.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2015, 01:54:41 PM
From Lambert - "he should be good once he is fit" - ffs - been playing for a top side in La Liga, how unfit can he be?
11 times this season only.

He'll be fitter than Joe Cole, who was our "creator" last week, mind.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: themossman on January 14, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
I wasn't at the game but is it true Joe Cole played in a neck brace?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on January 14, 2015, 02:15:18 PM
I wasn't at the game but is it true Joe Cole played in a neck brace?

He seemed to be playing in a leg brace.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2015, 02:25:54 PM
I wasn't at the game but is it true Joe Cole played in a neck brace?

He seemed to be playing in a leg brace.

I think Cole was fine. It was the statues playing in front of him that was the bigger problem. Gil might be great on his own, but if there is no movement then he'll look just as ordinary. The last thing we are going to want to see is a another sharp knife blunted because our forwards don't know how to create space for themselves. I'm hoping that between Gil arriving, Delph returning and if we can get another in it will kick start Benteke because he has started to lose focus.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
hope that he turns out to be the player we need, I think the correct creative midfielder could make a major difference to us and make us into a decent team

However, we have to bear in mind that we have paid just over 3 million for him, we haven't signed David Silva or Samir Nasri. Lets hope he turns out to be a bargain but try not to expect too much
But then Swansea weren't complaining when they picked up Michu for a couple of million from the same league.

You're right to say not to expect too much, but I'm pretty sure that any Spaniard apart from Luna and Cuellar would give us more flair and creativity than we currently have.

Even if weren't actually a footballer, just being Spanish would probably be enough.

if he has anything like the impact that Michu had in his first season I would be delighted

in fact, where is Michu now? Can't we sign him as well?
The Napoli bench. I wonder if Swansea might like him back though now they've lost Bony.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2015, 02:28:00 PM
I don't think it matters how much you spend sometimes. Franksey was saying last night 'Villa have spent £3m on Gil, but Leicester have spent £9m on a striker'. He obviously didn't mention how much the stripeyfilth had paid for hi-de-hi Brown, the one he's been slaughtering since day one.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2015, 02:32:36 PM
I don't think it matters how much you spend sometimes. Franksey was saying last night 'Villa have spent £3m on Gil, but Leicester have spent £9m on a striker'. He obviously didn't mention how much the stripeyfilth had paid for hi-de-hi Brown, the one he's been slaughtering since day one.
It also doesn't really take into account that there would be little point us spending £9m on a striker as we've got one worth upwards of £25m already.

What we don't have is any bugger capable of passing him the ball in the opposition half of the field.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 05:54:21 PM
Quote
Paul Lambert could throw Carles Gil into his Barclays Premier League debut against Liverpool as he hailed the midfielder's creative spark.

Lambert insists that Gil will prove to be a major asset and while he is confident the attacking star can unlock doors for the claret and blues, he's warned about too much expectancy on the 22-year-old.

The boss admits he's really excited about working with Gil this week as the team prepare for the Reds clash.

He said: "I have no problems starting Carles, that's for sure.

"His last game was over a week ago in the Copa del Rey.

"I will see how he does. He will train tomorrow and then we will see.

"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.

"But I'm not going to put masses of expectancy on him - he's just here, he's 22, has great potential to be a really good player.

"He's played in La Liga, knows the game, he's been at a massive club before, he's played with some great teams and great players and I think he will excite everyone when he plays.

"Carles coming in is a great thing for us. It's something we've needed - this type of player. He's coming from a league where there are so many technical, gifted players who know the game of football. If he can add what I think we can add, then he will be a massive asset for us.

"He's really comfortable with the ball, which you expect from him. I am looking forward to working with him."

Lambert signed Gil because of his own personal football feeling - but he was happy to receive the seal of approval from Carlos Sanchez too, who played with the former Valencia man at Elche.

He added: "Carles knows Carlos - and Aly too.

"I spoke to Carlos on Tuesday. I didn't want to put too much pressure on him. He played with Carles at Elche. Carlos spoke highly of him.

"But that wasn't really the reason I signed him. I made it through pure football. He can play the game.

"But I spoke to Carlos and asked what he thought of Carles. He said 'excellent, very good.'"
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 14, 2015, 06:41:55 PM
I appreciate that Lambert needs to trust his scouts, but surely Sanchez should have been one of the first people he consulted, by Tuesday the money was almost spent.

"I spoke to Carlos on Tuesday. I didn't want to put too much pressure on him. He played with Carles at Elche. Carlos spoke highly of him."
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 14, 2015, 07:17:21 PM
I can't stop calling him "Benny" Gil.

I'm torn between Snow and Brierley. Hopefully he doesn't turn out to be a Hodge.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Pete3206 on January 14, 2015, 07:44:16 PM
Lambert said
Quote
He's played in La Liga, knows the game, he's been at a massive club before, he's played with some great teams and great players and I think he will excite everyone when he plays.

8 appearances for Valencia in 3 years? What great teams has he played for?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2015, 07:46:00 PM
I assume Valencia have had some pretty good sides in that period of time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 14, 2015, 07:47:08 PM
I can't stop calling him "Benny" Gil.

I'm torn between Snow and Brierley. Hopefully he doesn't turn out to be a Hodge.
"Benny" has my vote!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Quote
"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.


That bit really worries me.  Does he genuinely believe that 1 player is going to turn us from completely toothless into a free scoring side that romps up the league?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2015, 07:57:40 PM
If you was one of our so called current 'attacking' players, hearing your manager say we're crying out for creativity, how would that make you feel? Lambert isn't wrong, and it's pretty bloody obvious. Can't help thinking he's losing some of the players. I've seen a shift in the work rate from the likes of Agbonlahor and Weimann recently. It's non existent.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 14, 2015, 08:07:51 PM
Quote
"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.


That bit really worries me.  Does he genuinely believe that 1 player is going to turn us from completely toothless into a free scoring side that romps up the league?
My point on another thread.
Gil is not going to transform the way we play.
Lambert's post-match comments on Sat were stunning.
Apparently "we're not producing in the final third".
F**k me!
Has he only just noticed what we've all been seeing for at least 18 months?

And THIS is a strong reason why he has lost my faith in him...not necessarily because of what I see on the pitch, but because of the almost total lack of responsibility for it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2015, 08:18:56 PM
I appreciate that Lambert needs to trust his scouts, but surely Sanchez should have been one of the first people he consulted, by Tuesday the money was almost spent.
I remember that rumour from a few years back (hopefully false), that after Bouma got injured O'Neill didn't know where to turn for a new left-back - asked the players if they knew of anybody who might be good and Sidwell recommended Shorey. So O'Neill went out and bought him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on January 14, 2015, 08:35:12 PM
Remember when we bought Sasha Curcic. Everything suggested he was going to be a huge success. And we know what happened.

Keep your expectations low chaps. Settle for a little bit of skill and effort. Might work well with Sanchez hopefully.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 08:44:20 PM
Has he been sent out on loan yet ?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: exigo on January 14, 2015, 08:45:45 PM
Has he been sent out on loan yet ?

Don't be daft, he's not even had his leg broken by Baker yet.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on January 14, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
Quote
"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.


That bit really worries me.  Does he genuinely believe that 1 player is going to turn us from completely toothless into a free scoring side that romps up the league?
My point on another thread.
Gil is not going to transform the way we play.
Lambert's post-match comments on Sat were stunning.
Apparently "we're not producing in the final third".
F**k me!
Has he only just noticed what we've all been seeing for at least 18 months?

And THIS is a strong reason why he has lost my faith in him...not necessarily because of what I see on the pitch, but because of the almost total lack of responsibility for it.

I would bet that he's been well-aware of it for ages (even though he mightn't have said anything publicly), but just has no idea how to fix it with the players we currently have.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2015, 09:43:53 PM
Quote
"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.


That bit really worries me.  Does he genuinely believe that 1 player is going to turn us from completely toothless into a free scoring side that romps up the league?

That is probably the thing that scares me most about Lambert recently.

He says so many things which make you think "WTF? Does he really mean that?"

I find it hard to take anything he says seriously these days.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 14, 2015, 09:50:21 PM
Quote
"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.


That bit really worries me.  Does he genuinely believe that 1 player is going to turn us from completely toothless into a free scoring side that romps up the league?

That is probably the thing that scares me most about Lambert recently.

He says so many things which make you think "WTF? Does he really mean that?"

I find it hard to take anything he says seriously these days.

He comes from the Martin O'Neill School of Talking Out Your Arse. The similarities are frightening.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 14, 2015, 11:07:57 PM
Quote
"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.


That bit really worries me.  Does he genuinely believe that 1 player is going to turn us from completely toothless into a free scoring side that romps up the league?
My point on another thread.
Gil is not going to transform the way we play.
Lambert's post-match comments on Sat were stunning.
Apparently "we're not producing in the final third".
F**k me!
Has he only just noticed what we've all been seeing for at least 18 months?

And THIS is a strong reason why he has lost my faith in him...not necessarily because of what I see on the pitch, but because of the almost total lack of responsibility for it.

I would bet that he's been well-aware of it for ages (even though he mightn't have said anything publicly), but just has no idea how to fix it with the players we currently have.

That would have made for a frank press conference.  What is it he's supposed to say?  "We're in trouble, no two ways about it.  I've no idea what's going on, the lads have been excellent, we just can't put the ball in the net.  I've not a clue how to sort it out, the players are shit, I don't want my compensation so I'm walking away."

He's past the point of no return, whatever he says, so it really doesn't matter anymore.

At least we've got something to look forward to, seeing if Carles can make a difference.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2015, 11:08:35 PM
I appreciate that Lambert needs to trust his scouts, but surely Sanchez should have been one of the first people he consulted, by Tuesday the money was almost spent.
I remember that rumour from a few years back (hopefully false), that after Bouma got injured O'Neill didn't know where to turn for a new left-back - asked the players if they knew of anybody who might be good and Sidwell recommended Shorey. So O'Neill went out and bought him.

That wouldn't surprise me. I heard he signed NRC and then saw him in training and wondered what he had got himself into. If there's truth to that story, it shows how much research he did on players before spending £8m+salary on them. Also heard stories about how he would record NFL games and then watch them Monday morning whilst the players trained.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2015, 11:24:46 PM
Quote
"He gives us something that I think we've been crying out for - that creativity and spark - and that's what I think we've needed to finish off the work. We needed someone like him to unlock doors and make things happen.


That bit really worries me.  Does he genuinely believe that 1 player is going to turn us from completely toothless into a free scoring side that romps up the league?
My point on another thread.
Gil is not going to transform the way we play.
Lambert's post-match comments on Sat were stunning.
Apparently "we're not producing in the final third".
F**k me!
Has he only just noticed what we've all been seeing for at least 18 months?

And THIS is a strong reason why he has lost my faith in him...not necessarily because of what I see on the pitch, but because of the almost total lack of responsibility for it.

I would bet that he's been well-aware of it for ages (even though he mightn't have said anything publicly), but just has no idea how to fix it with the players we currently have.

That would have made for a frank press conference.  What is it he's supposed to say?  "We're in trouble, no two ways about it.  I've no idea what's going on, the lads have been excellent, we just can't put the ball in the net.  I've not a clue how to sort it out, the players are shit, I don't want my compensation so I'm walking away."

He's past the point of no return, whatever he says, so it really doesn't matter anymore.

At least we've got something to look forward to, seeing if Carles can make a difference.

I'm not a fan of the whole "don't tell me, show me" mindset because generally people who say things like that are the first ones to moan when nothing gets said.  That said in this instance he needs to show us, yes he's not had his "what I call a number 10" until now but buying a player to fill that role doesn't mean we'll suddenly be creative, the movement around the box is poor, the passing is slow and predictable, there's a clear reluctance to try to beat a man and force the play, everything is safety first.  He needs to show that he's willing to let the players off their shackles and start encouraging them to make things happen because right now he's strangled everything out of them, the squad so far this season hasn't been anything like poor enough to have a total of 12 goals in all comps, that's down to the manager having the mindset of playing for the clean sheet first and then try to sneak one at the other end.

Nothing he says hides that truth, that's what we are right now.

I'd actually have more respect for him if he was at least honest enough to admit that he sees getting a solid defence and 'giving ourselves a chance' as the right way for us.  At least then there'd be some consistency between what we see and what he says, that would give all of this some meaning.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 11:27:44 PM
Gabby even said in a post match interview after Liverpool I think it was, on the Tv that this is our style of play we will be keeping it tight and hoping to nick a goal, so it was out there in the open, it's a pre planned tactic that's backfired horribly so far.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2015, 11:29:26 PM
I appreciate that Lambert needs to trust his scouts, but surely Sanchez should have been one of the first people he consulted, by Tuesday the money was almost spent.
I remember that rumour from a few years back (hopefully false), that after Bouma got injured O'Neill didn't know where to turn for a new left-back - asked the players if they knew of anybody who might be good and Sidwell recommended Shorey. So O'Neill went out and bought him.

That wouldn't surprise me. I heard he signed NRC and then saw him in training and wondered what he had got himself into. If there's truth to that story, it shows how much research he did on players before spending £8m+salary on them. Also heard stories about how he would record NFL games and then watch them Monday morning whilst the players trained.
It's the sort of thing that makes you wonder - how did O'Neill do so well with Leicester and Celtic? How did Lambert do so well with Norwich?

Surely it can't have been years of luck and coincidence? Does just arriving at Villa make them forget how to manage?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2015, 11:33:01 PM
I appreciate that Lambert needs to trust his scouts, but surely Sanchez should have been one of the first people he consulted, by Tuesday the money was almost spent.
I remember that rumour from a few years back (hopefully false), that after Bouma got injured O'Neill didn't know where to turn for a new left-back - asked the players if they knew of anybody who might be good and Sidwell recommended Shorey. So O'Neill went out and bought him.

That wouldn't surprise me. I heard he signed NRC and then saw him in training and wondered what he had got himself into. If there's truth to that story, it shows how much research he did on players before spending £8m+salary on them. Also heard stories about how he would record NFL games and then watch them Monday morning whilst the players trained.
It's the sort of thing that makes you wonder - how did O'Neill do so well with Leicester and Celtic? How did Lambert do so well with Norwich?

Surely it can't have been years of luck and coincidence? Does just arriving at Villa make them forget how to manage?

different situations, Mon achieved pretty much the limit of what his style could do with us, it's not so much that he failed it's that he wasn't as good as most people thought. Lambert is just a rabbit in the headlights, the pressure has got to him and he's reverted from being a bit gung-ho and trying to take the game to teams to doing everything he can to avoid defeat, put simply the job is too big for him at this point in time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 14, 2015, 11:36:14 PM
If he's prepared to admit we have nothing in the final third after losing to Leicester, he's obviously aware of the problem. I don't necessarily expect him to "confess" this to the press on every occasion.
But I do expect him to address the issue when it occurs, not several games later when the press decide to spot it and ask questions about it!
He's the MANAGER ffs. He's supposed to MANAGE his resources, not just throw them into a pot and expect a stonking curry/chilli/stew/vegan soup to emerge some random time later.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: RussellC on January 14, 2015, 11:38:53 PM
Gabby even said in a post match interview after Liverpool I think it was, on the Tv that this is our style of play we will be keeping it tight and hoping to nick a goal, so it was out there in the open, it's a pre planned tactic that's backfired horribly so far.

The thing is, there's no shame in that being our game-plan at Anfield. It's when it's also our game-plan at home to Leyton Orient and Blackpool that you release how poorly set-up we are.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2015, 11:44:35 PM
If he's prepared to admit we have nothing in the final third after losing to Leicester, he's obviously aware of the problem. I don't necessarily expect him to "confess" this to the press on every occasion.
But I do expect him to address the issue when it occurs, not several games later when the press decide to spot it and ask questions about it!
He's the MANAGER ffs. He's supposed to MANAGE his resources, not just throw them into a pot and expect a stonking curry/chilli/stew/vegan soup to emerge some random time later.

Exactly, that bit just reads too much like he thinks everything he's done until now was just a holding pattern making the best of it and suddenly his 22nd signing for the club is going to transform us, 2 1/2 years of decent tactical analysis and training to exploit teams was clearly never going to work but a young spaniard is the answer.  I hope he is, it'd be great to see the team completely transformed at the weekend and then for us to go on a run of great victories but I can't even dream that it's so far from possible.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 14, 2015, 11:45:23 PM
I appreciate that Lambert needs to trust his scouts, but surely Sanchez should have been one of the first people he consulted, by Tuesday the money was almost spent.
I remember that rumour from a few years back (hopefully false), that after Bouma got injured O'Neill didn't know where to turn for a new left-back - asked the players if they knew of anybody who might be good and Sidwell recommended Shorey. So O'Neill went out and bought him.

That wouldn't surprise me. I heard he signed NRC and then saw him in training and wondered what he had got himself into. If there's truth to that story, it shows how much research he did on players before spending £8m+salary on them. Also heard stories about how he would record NFL games and then watch them Monday morning whilst the players trained.
It's the sort of thing that makes you wonder - how did O'Neill do so well with Leicester and Celtic? How did Lambert do so well with Norwich?

Surely it can't have been years of luck and coincidence? Does just arriving at Villa make them forget how to manage?

It's almost as if stories like that that people hear are very probably apocryphal.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2015, 12:18:24 AM
I appreciate that Lambert needs to trust his scouts, but surely Sanchez should have been one of the first people he consulted, by Tuesday the money was almost spent.
I remember that rumour from a few years back (hopefully false), that after Bouma got injured O'Neill didn't know where to turn for a new left-back - asked the players if they knew of anybody who might be good and Sidwell recommended Shorey. So O'Neill went out and bought him.

That wouldn't surprise me. I heard he signed NRC and then saw him in training and wondered what he had got himself into. If there's truth to that story, it shows how much research he did on players before spending £8m+salary on them. Also heard stories about how he would record NFL games and then watch them Monday morning whilst the players trained.
It's the sort of thing that makes you wonder - how did O'Neill do so well with Leicester and Celtic? How did Lambert do so well with Norwich?

Surely it can't have been years of luck and coincidence? Does just arriving at Villa make them forget how to manage?

It's almost as if stories like that that people hear are very probably apocryphal.

True, I expect a lot of them are - the one above included.

But we have seen both our current manager and the unpleasant one from that story both have great success and their teams show impressive tactical acumen and yet we have seen with Villa both of them make decisions which anybody can see are absolutely without any logic at all. Decisions that can't be put down to apocrypha.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2015, 12:31:47 AM
I agree. My (unoriginal)theory is that managers can do great things with smaller clubs by fostering a bond, an us-against-the-world mentality. Even MON at Celtic, a bigger club than Villa by most metrics, could use Rangers' near-total dominance in the previous 20 years to do the same. And there was only one club to catch.

Villa is a stately home. IKEA furniture can look pretty good in a 2-bed semi but it won't ever rise above the level of functional when you move here.

Apparently stately homes are a fucking nightmare to maintain!

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 15, 2015, 12:37:35 AM
I agree. My (unoriginal)theory is that managers can do great things with smaller clubs by fostering a bond, an us-against-the-world mentality. Even MON at Celtic, a bigger club than Villa by most metrics, could use Rangers' near-total dominance in the previous 20 years to do the same. And there was only one club to catch.

Villa is a stately home. IKEA furniture can look pretty good in a 2-bed semi but it won't ever rise above the level of functional when you move here.

Apparently stately homes are a fucking nightmare to maintain!



You're right there.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 15, 2015, 10:25:50 AM
I agree. My (unoriginal)theory is that managers can do great things with smaller clubs by fostering a bond, an us-against-the-world mentality. Even MON at Celtic, a bigger club than Villa by most metrics, could use Rangers' near-total dominance in the previous 20 years to do the same. And there was only one club to catch.

Villa is a stately home. IKEA furniture can look pretty good in a 2-bed semi but it won't ever rise above the level of functional when you move here.

Apparently stately homes are a fucking nightmare to maintain!



Often taken on by ambitious owners, who run out of funds, lose interest, and then leave them to decay and collapse.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 15, 2015, 11:41:41 AM
I hope he does well but I can't help thinking that only a special individual player could make a big difference to the team and for the price we have paid, he is unlikely to be that.  Our problems are due to the system being employed and the ethos of the players and management team.  The stubborn persistence with a ridiculously narrow system, the chronic lack of movement, the entirely flat midfield and complete lack of players who seem willing to take responsibility for making something happen.  Gil could make a difference to a couple of those, but how much of a difference is debatable.  As others have said, Lambert's comments were concerning, suggesting he doesn't see a problem with the way we set the team up tactically and strategically and just throwing in someone who can turn and run (when we don't create space) will make the difference.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 15, 2015, 12:35:28 PM
I agree. My (unoriginal)theory is that managers can do great things with smaller clubs by fostering a bond, an us-against-the-world mentality. Even MON at Celtic, a bigger club than Villa by most metrics, could use Rangers' near-total dominance in the previous 20 years to do the same. And there was only one club to catch.

Villa is a stately home. IKEA furniture can look pretty good in a 2-bed semi but it won't ever rise above the level of functional when you move here.

Apparently stately homes are a fucking nightmare to maintain!



It depends how harshly you thrash the servants.  Do it hard enough and they say thank-you.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: mr underhill on January 16, 2015, 12:59:47 PM
that's exactly what I found on my last visit to Downton
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: The Left Side on January 16, 2015, 03:09:37 PM
Anyone see the AVFC youtube video of his first training session yesterday, they showed the usual drill of standing in a circle, one player in the middle with a bib trying to get the ball. Hopefully they do more than that for 2 hours and Gil remembers his training from the continent otherwise we will soon bring him down to our level.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 16, 2015, 03:24:13 PM
They do that at half time and the players always have a smile on their face. Its just a warm up drill.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 16, 2015, 03:29:11 PM
They do that at half time and the players always have a smile on their face. Its just a warm up drill.

I'd permanently have a stupid smile on my face if I had that going into my bank account every month
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on January 16, 2015, 03:29:55 PM
Isn't that piggy-in-the-middle celebrated as the 'Rondo' in Barcelona and described as the secret of La Masia's success?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 16, 2015, 03:32:26 PM
Isn't that piggy-in-the-middle celebrated as the 'Rondo' in Barcelona and described as the secret of La Masia's success?

I can't answer that question, but it seems to me as a layman to be a useful way to introduce a drill where players will enjoy themselves, while learning to use the ball quickly in tight spaces/under pressure.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2015, 03:56:55 PM
Isn't that piggy-in-the-middle celebrated as the 'Rondo' in Barcelona and described as the secret of La Masia's success?

I can't answer that question, but it seems to me as a layman to be a useful way to introduce a drill where players will enjoy themselves, while learning to use the ball quickly in tight spaces/under pressure.

I'd bet it's great for the player doing the closing down so long as they put the effort in, given how little tackling actually happens in football being able to close down players and force them to pass where you want is a key skill.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 16, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
Isn't that piggy-in-the-middle celebrated as the 'Rondo' in Barcelona and described as the secret of La Masia's success?

I can't answer that question, but it seems to me as a layman to be a useful way to introduce a drill where players will enjoy themselves, while learning to use the ball quickly in tight spaces/under pressure.

I'd bet it's great for the player doing the closing down so long as they put the effort in, given how little tackling actually happens in football being able to close down players and force them to pass where you want is a key skill.

I hadn't thought of it like that, but given how the drill has two "piggys" then I can imagine how it would be useful with an overloaded defence closing down options. Plus its fun.

From my own exprience I used to hate it  in training when we played a type of five aside with cones instead of goals. I am sure it was teaching us valuable lessons on finishing, but I hated it!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2015, 04:30:53 PM
From my own exprience I used to hate it  in training when we played a type of five aside with cones instead of goals. I am sure it was teaching us valuable lessons on finishing, but I hated it!

That's about as much fun as the rugby one where you're running into tackle bags, turning and popping a pass for the next guy, then you follow him and repeat in reverse, with about 10 tackle bags.  It's annoying as shit but do it well and you learn one of the key skills of the game.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 16, 2015, 05:29:05 PM
Gil has averaged a goal or assist once per 8 games so far, In his home country

Let's hope he's one of tbose who plays the penultimate pass quite a lot.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 16, 2015, 05:38:32 PM
Gil has averaged a goal or assist once per 8 games so far, In his home country

Let's hope he's one of tbose who plays the penultimate pass quite a lot.

It's 16 (6 goals 10 assists) in 72 league games, so it's one every 4.5 games. According to Wiki anyway.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2015, 05:49:59 PM
I'm always wary of assists and shots on target stats. If a player starts a move or creates the bit of space that allows the final pass and goal it's just as valuable.

Similarly, a soft shot into the keepers hands is perceived as being of more value than one that hits the woodwork or whizzes just wide. Fine as barometers but not enough to judge a player/team by.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
I'm always wary of assists and shots on target stats. If a player starts a move or creates the bit of space that allows the final pass and goal it's just as valuable.

Similarly, a soft shot into the keepers hands is perceived as being of more value than one that hits the woodwork or whizzes just wide. Fine as barometers but not enough to judge a player/team by.

First one I agree with you, 2nd I don't so much, the first priority for a shot to be of any value is for it to have a chance of scoring, a shot that misses the target  never (other than deflected OGs which happen maybe 10 times a year for the whole league) does that.  The Tonev effect should prove that taking 5yards of pace away to make sure you test the keeper is worth doing most of the time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2015, 06:27:22 PM
What about hitting wood? That's closer and more satisfying than a save.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 16, 2015, 06:30:28 PM
What about hitting wood? That's closer and more satisfying than a save.

Flogging your log is a mortal sin for RC's though and probably saps your strength.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2015, 07:54:29 PM
What about hitting wood? That's closer and more satisfying than a save.

Looks more impressive I'll grant you but again when one hits the post it's not on target (which is why the whole 'saved by the woodwork' shit pisses me off) so it's never going to go in (other than with deflections, and clearly post an in isn't included in this) so no it's not better than one which the keeper has to save.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 17, 2015, 05:49:40 AM
Over the course of three seasons you'd expect these things to even out. Unless someone's suggesting he's set up a dozen shots that hit the woodwork it's still pretty threadbare

I'm not writing him off but we've paid under £3m for him. He's got one under 21 cap. It has to be a gamble
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2015, 10:14:35 AM
It depends how good Elche's forwards are. If he had the Spanish Gabby and Weimann ahead of him, then he will have struggled.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 17, 2015, 10:22:19 AM
I reckon we should sing this song for him...



Carles Gil!
Carles Gil!
Carles Gil!
Carles Hee-Hee!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 17, 2015, 11:24:38 AM
It depends how good Elche's forwards are. If he had the Spanish Gabby and Weimann ahead of him, then he will have struggled.

Erm, in that case isn't he going to struggle here?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Quiet Lion on January 17, 2015, 11:45:21 AM
Isn't that piggy-in-the-middle celebrated as the 'Rondo' in Barcelona and described as the secret of La Masia's success?

I can't answer that question, but it seems to me as a layman to be a useful way to introduce a drill where players will enjoy themselves, while learning to use the ball quickly in tight spaces/under pressure.

I'd bet it's great for the player doing the closing down so long as they put the effort in, given how little tackling actually happens in football being able to close down players and force them to pass where you want is a key skill.


Do we look like this when trying that drill?

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 17, 2015, 11:50:17 AM
Fixed your link Quiet Lion.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Quiet Lion on January 17, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
I fail everytime I try and post a youtube video. More chance of a Gabby hatrick from three Cleverly assists than me getting that right
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ger Regan on January 17, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
First impressions are positive, at least.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2015, 05:05:12 PM
Yep hopefully he won't need to work with this manager.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 17, 2015, 05:11:08 PM
Looks a quality player. Let's hope Lambert doesn't coach it out of him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ger Regan on January 17, 2015, 05:14:20 PM
Maybe there's a fiendish plot by Lerner to get Lambert to unearth a couple more potential gems in the 4-6 million category and then give him the sack and replace him with a tactically proficient manager who is less competent in the transfer market? That sound you hear is of me clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt C on January 17, 2015, 05:14:21 PM
Looks like a very promising player.

No doubt he'll be playing as an auxiliary right back in the weeks ahead as part of Lambert's innovative 5-5-0 formation.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 17, 2015, 05:21:41 PM
Maybe there's a fiendish plot by Lerner to get Lambert to unearth a couple more potential gems in the 4-6 million category and then give him the sack and replace him with a tactically proficient manager who is less competent in the transfer market? That sound you hear is of me clutching at straws.

I would rather that the systems are being put in place to identify players whoever is in charge. From the Fox interview a while back, that sounds to be the case. We need more Sanchez and Gils and less Cleverleys.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ger Regan on January 17, 2015, 05:53:12 PM
Maybe there's a fiendish plot by Lerner to get Lambert to unearth a couple more potential gems in the 4-6 million category and then give him the sack and replace him with a tactically proficient manager who is less competent in the transfer market? That sound you hear is of me clutching at straws.

I would rather that the systems are being put in place to identify players whoever is in charge. From the Fox interview a while back, that sounds to be the case. We need more Sanchez and Gils and less Cleverleys.
I wasn't being serious, but yeah I agree with you.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 17, 2015, 06:03:06 PM
The signings of benteke, Okore, sanchez, possibly Gil, and westwood make you realise how much of a missed opportunity it was to spend spend spend without a scouting system

What a missed opportunity. Oneill's signings at those prices levels were the likes of reo Coker, harewood, Shorey, sidwell, knight, Luke Young etc. Only petrov was good value
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 17, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
Let's hope he is luckier than the other famous Gil!

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/163662-121146-gil.jpg)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 17, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
Very impressed with this boy today. First time for a long time I got out of my seat when he played some great balls into the right place at right pace.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 17, 2015, 07:10:14 PM
Very impressed with this boy today. First time for a long time I got out of my seat when he played some great balls into the right place at right pace.

More impressive for me was him taking the ball past opposition players, without tripping over, running in to the defender, or overrunning the ball and giving it away / getting sent off.

I thought such players only played for other teams!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Richard on January 17, 2015, 07:20:01 PM
Hugely promising debut the ball seemed to be glued to his left foot at times - never ever want to see that starting midfield again
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 17, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
Gil has a touch of Carbone about him. He can certainly beat a defender with ease. He's got a clever step over, a fair turn of pace and very quick feet. Technically way superior to those around him.On the Valencia Forum I read, they were angry at losing him so cheaply.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on January 17, 2015, 07:39:35 PM
Good debut.

My fear is lambert will beat the creativity out of him over the next few weeks and create Westwood MK IV out of him
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: footyskillz on January 17, 2015, 07:54:13 PM
By all accounts good positive singing. I  was aware we were interested in Matty Grimes but felt he wasn't ready for premier league 1st team action . Obviously Villa are hoping for this move to be a success and I can compare Alvarez at Sunderland who has come in to their club as a player of similar attributes. (Note has taking time to settle.quality player, similar lamela of spurs both may not be suited to premier league)  Playing wise I would say you're looking at similar play making qualities of Carlos vela or Giovanni Santos and Carzola and Silva at the top end. Keep the faith.

Will bring villa forward .
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2015, 08:32:14 PM
After an hour of awful football I saw something unique today. I saw;

* A midfielder move off the ball
* A midfielder pick the unexpected pass
* A midfielder pass the ball accurately forwards
* A midfielder run with the ball forwards
* A midfielder take on and beat a man wih trickery

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Nelly on January 17, 2015, 08:53:52 PM
* A midfielder finally link up with the forwards with the intention of scoring
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2015, 09:14:31 PM
By all accounts good positive singing. I  was aware we were interested in Matty Grimes but felt he wasn't ready for premier league 1st team action . Obviously Villa are hoping for this move to be a success and I can compare Alvarez at Sunderland who has come in to their club as a player of similar attributes. (Note has taking time to settle.quality player, similar lamela of spurs both may not be suited to premier league)  Playing wise I would say you're looking at similar play making qualities of Carlos vela or Giovanni Santos and Carzola and Silva at the top end. Keep the faith.

Will bring villa forward .

footyskillz likes this.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 17, 2015, 09:22:11 PM
Praise the Lord we have a footballer on our hands.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: myf on January 17, 2015, 11:45:34 PM
What happens when he gets injured /banned.if Lambert's staying we need more playmakers/wingers
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 18, 2015, 09:45:25 AM
Well that's easy to answer myf. We will make him into another Cleverley and than we will have ready replacements for scenario you describe. We are half way there with Grealish on that project.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 18, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Well that's easy to answer myf. We will make him into another Cleverley and than we will have ready replacements for scenario you describe. We are half way there with Grealish on that project.
After an hour of awful football I saw something unique today. I saw;

* A midfielder move off the ball
* A midfielder pick the unexpected pass
* A midfielder pass the ball accurately forwards
* A midfielder run with the ball forwards
* A midfielder take on and beat a man wih trickery


That's how it used to be if I remember correctly but that was a long time ago...circa early to mid nineties I think.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2015, 11:26:36 AM
He was like a breath of fresh air when he came on. I don't think he lost the ball once or misplaced a single pass.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2015, 11:28:11 AM
He was like a breath of fresh air when he came on. I don't think he lost the ball once or misplaced a single pass.

The sad thing is that one memory that stands out is him moving to receive the ball from a throw in and being able to pass it forwards.

I am impressed by a throw in, that's how bad we are.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
He was like a breath of fresh air when he came on. I don't think he lost the ball once or misplaced a single pass.

The sad thing is that one memory that stands out is him moving to receive the ball from a throw in and being able to pass it forwards.

I am impressed by a throw in, that's how bad we are.


I imagine Lambert took a note of that and will ensure that next week he has learnt never again to voluntarily receive a ball from a throw in. He'll be taught to allow an opponent to get the ball or have it bounce of his shin to an opposing player or out of play. It's the new Villa way.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 18, 2015, 05:31:36 PM
He looked promising but we need to see a bit more than a debut cameo before we start hailing him as the saviour.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 18, 2015, 05:38:53 PM
He was like a breath of fresh air when he came on. I don't think he lost the ball once or misplaced a single pass.

The sad thing is that one memory that stands out is him moving to receive the ball from a throw in and being able to pass it forwards.

I am impressed by a throw in, that's how bad we are.

I was impressed when he took a throw in. No waiting about, no looking for Benteke to flick it on, no, straight to a Villa player in space. It was brilliant.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 18, 2015, 07:19:38 PM
He was like a breath of fresh air when he came on. I don't think he lost the ball once or misplaced a single pass.

The sad thing is that one memory that stands out is him moving to receive the ball from a throw in and being able to pass it forwards.

I am impressed by a throw in, that's how bad we are.

I was impressed when he took a throw in. No waiting about, no looking for Benteke to flick it on, no, straight to a Villa player in space. It was brilliant.

Getting throw ins right is a job most managers struggle to get right, credit to Lambert
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mister E on January 18, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
Getting throw ins right is a job most managers struggle to get right, credit to Lambert
"I thought that was excellent ... We'll go again at that"
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 18, 2015, 08:56:29 PM
I got ridiculously excited when he dribbled past one of their players, with the ball under control and nearly got on the end of Wiemann's (misplaced) pass.  It was one run.  He beat one man.  And it was over in 3/4 seconds.  And I got THAT excited.

This is what it's come to watching our club!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on January 18, 2015, 09:29:28 PM
He was like a breath of fresh air when he came on. I don't think he lost the ball once or misplaced a single pass.

The sad thing is that one memory that stands out is him moving to receive the ball from a throw in and being able to pass it forwards.

I am impressed by a throw in, that's how bad we are.

I was impressed when he took a throw in. No waiting about, no looking for Benteke to flick it on, no, straight to a Villa player in space. It was brilliant.

My God, the throw-ins thing. It's been driving me mad for years. To see Gil do that was just a reminder of how easy it is to get it right, and how stupid we've been generally for over a decade. Little things like that. It's infuriating.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2015, 07:25:46 AM
How long until all the flair and genuinely exciting quality he showed at the weekend is a distant memory... Somewhere in a muffled threat comes a distant Scottish voice.. Pass it sideways ye little bassad and stop this dribbling past folk....

It comes to something when a really exciting new player my first thought is how long until Saint Paul ruins him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2015, 09:16:28 AM
How long until all the flair and genuinely exciting quality he showed at the weekend is a distant memory... Somewhere in a muffled threat comes a distant Scottish voice.. Pass it sideways ye little bassad and stop this dribbling past folk....

It comes to something when a really exciting new player my first thought is how long until Saint Paul ruins him.

Come on Ozz, Lambert has bought him because of these go forward skills.  There's no doubting we are a poor team etc, etc, but these comments are just having a go for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2015, 09:23:48 AM
On a more serious note, Gil got Holte End backsides off seats with some of the things he did and every time he was on the ball, it was exciting to not know what he was going to do.

We have lacked that bit of off the cuff guile for a long, long time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 19, 2015, 09:32:34 AM
"I'll start to worry when we stop getting throw ins, I'm confident that we'll soon start to throw to our own players"
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2015, 09:39:37 AM
Look! Look! Look! A footballer!

(http://i.imgur.com/UAwiK1H.gif)

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2015, 10:11:43 AM
Watching that gif. something rarer than a Villa midfielder driving the ball forwards to create a chance, after ebating a man stands out. For once, we have men comitted forward. There are five in the box, with Delph about to make six and both full backs are pushed right up.

That snapshot gives me hope.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on January 19, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
The pass after the skill was sharp. That's what can happen - if you beat the first man, the defender will have to come out to meet you, creating a space. That's called 'football', I believe.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 19, 2015, 10:28:50 AM
Gil is probably already thinking about the future and where he can onto next.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 19, 2015, 10:32:40 AM
On a more serious note, Gil got Holte End backsides off seats with some of the things he did and every time he was on the ball, it was exciting to not know what he was going to do.

We have lacked that bit of off the cuff guile for a long, long time.
This.

Just hope he can maintain and deliver that something different/unexpected we all want to see and actually works against other teams.

Problem, imho, is that I think we do have players who can do much better than we see on the pitch every week but have been told to play it safe at all times. To create openings all teams have to take a risk. Other than just lumping it up to Benteke I mean!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2015, 01:27:33 PM
My best advice Carles, don't listen to a thing your manager says or asks you to do.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
How long until all the flair and genuinely exciting quality he showed at the weekend is a distant memory... Somewhere in a muffled threat comes a distant Scottish voice.. Pass it sideways ye little bassad and stop this dribbling past folk....

It comes to something when a really exciting new player my first thought is how long until Saint Paul ruins him.

Come on Ozz, Lambert has bought him because of these go forward skills.  There's no doubting we are a poor team etc, etc, but these comments are just having a go for the sake of it.

It is really not though

Look at Weimann 3 years ago and now.

Look at Gabby

Look at Benteke

Look at Nzogbia in Lambert's first season, some of the goals we scored he was terrific in driving us forward.

Every ounce of forward skill and ability has been squeezed out of the side in his desperate attempt to make us more solid at the back, which fair play, we are, but he has got the balance so horribly wrong that players that looked like they would kick on are shadows of their former abilities, and that is saying something when you consider they were not actually that great to start with.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2015, 02:02:27 PM
How long until all the flair and genuinely exciting quality he showed at the weekend is a distant memory... Somewhere in a muffled threat comes a distant Scottish voice.. Pass it sideways ye little bassad and stop this dribbling past folk....

It comes to something when a really exciting new player my first thought is how long until Saint Paul ruins him.

Come on Ozz, Lambert has bought him because of these go forward skills.  There's no doubting we are a poor team etc, etc, but these comments are just having a go for the sake of it.

It is really not though

Look at Weimann 3 years ago and now.

Look at Gabby

Look at Benteke

Look at Nzogbia in Lambert's first season, some of the goals we scored he was terrific in driving us forward.

Every ounce of forward skill and ability has been squeezed out of the side in his desperate attempt to make us more solid at the back, which fair play, we are, but he has got the balance so horribly wrong that players that looked like they would kick on are shadows of their former abilities, and that is saying something when you consider they were not actually that great to start with.

It's not just the players. I used to be a confident, positive, vocal supporter, and now look at me.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
Look! Look! Look! A footballer!

(http://i.imgur.com/UAwiK1H.gif)



A midfielder laying a pass off and running into the box to receive the return ball?

Ha ha ha, what a load of nonsense that is.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2015, 02:06:09 PM
What a shit cutback.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: UK Redsox on January 19, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
Look! Look! Look! A footballer!

(http://i.imgur.com/UAwiK1H.gif)



A midfielder laying a pass off and running into the box to receive the return ball?

Ha ha ha, what a load of nonsense that is.

Its fake footage, just like the moon landings
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
He's crap. Note the way he slows down when entering the box having given the pass. Useless! If he'd maintained his speed he'd have scored.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: The Left Side on January 19, 2015, 03:09:46 PM
Look! Look! Look! A footballer!

(http://i.imgur.com/UAwiK1H.gif)



A midfielder laying a pass off and running into the box to receive the return ball?

Ha ha ha, what a load of nonsense that is.

Its fake footage, just like the moon landings

Wow, I almost cried when I saw that!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
They need to put that conspiracy to bed and the only way they'll do that is by going back to the moon and finding the ball Carew put up there when he took that penalty at Newcastle.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2015, 03:36:57 PM
They need to put that conspiracy to bed and the only way they'll do that is by going back to the moon and finding the ball Carew put up there when he took that penalty at Newcastle.

They'll probably find Nigel Callaghan's corner from Loftus Rd in 1989 next to it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: somec on January 19, 2015, 05:25:14 PM
They need to put that conspiracy to bed and the only way they'll do that is by going back to the moon and finding the ball Carew put up there when he took that penalty at Newcastle.

I don't remember that one. Was that the 0-6 game?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2015, 06:14:28 PM
What a shit cutback.

I thought Weimann looked good after he came on with Gil. I can imagine a number of our players looking better with more positive tactics and players like Gil being involved.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 19, 2015, 06:23:34 PM
What a shit cutback.

I thought Weimann looked good after he came on with Gil. I can imagine a number of our players looking better with more positive tactics and players like Gil being involved.

Weimann up top is a better player than the shit midfield/wide Weimann who hasn't got a clue where he is meant to be.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2015, 06:25:59 PM
What a shit cutback.

Very harsh.  It was a very good run and a good effort at getting the ball back in.  Just bad luck it didn't come off really.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Somniloquism on January 19, 2015, 06:40:19 PM
It is really not though

Look at Weimann 3 years ago and now.

Look at Gabby

Look at Benteke

Look at Nzogbia in Lambert's first season, some of the goals we scored he was terrific in driving us forward.

Every ounce of forward skill and ability has been squeezed out of the side in his desperate attempt to make us more solid at the back, which fair play, we are, but he has got the balance so horribly wrong that players that looked like they would kick on are shadows of their former abilities, and that is saying something when you consider they were not actually that great to start with.

I agree with you that we have sacrificed attempting to score for more solid organisation. However the players you have mentioned:

Gabby, has been going backwards anyway for several seasons, not sure how much is the manager although being dropped for several matches might wake him up.

Nzog, had a few good matches in that final run but is as good under Lambert as he was under the previous incumbent and for most of his career barring the Wigan stint.

Benteke, coming back from a long injury and having to create his own chances as no one else will. But also a bit petulant (for example, the bollocking he gave Bacuna at the end of the Manure match when it would have been a tough ball and most analysts agreed he should have been more in the box then hanging around at 20 yard line).

Weimann, has been disappointing and doesn't seem to have kicked on, however the run when Gil got past the midfielder still shows he had more awareness then the other attackers who I think were all surprised the ball wasn't lost / passed sideways. (CB looked on his heels).

For the Arsenal match I personally would take out Weimann and Gabby and play Gil and Grealish / Delph* in two attacking midfield roles supporting CB. Then have Westwood and Sanchez with Delph* / Cleverley behind. That should hopefully allow some protection but give us some creativity up front. Obviously it would mean CB would need to be on his game though which he hasn't always been the last few weeks.

* Obviously if playing one position he won't be in the other but he should be on the pitch in some capacity as he is sometimes the only player to drive at them (or he was last season anyway).
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 19, 2015, 06:44:34 PM
And great to see Benteke and Gabby working their arses off to stretch their defence by standing still and waiting!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 19, 2015, 07:26:13 PM
Look! Look! Look! A footballer!

(http://i.imgur.com/UAwiK1H.gif)



A midfielder laying a pass off and running into the box to receive the return ball?

Ha ha ha, what a load of nonsense that is.


Lambert wont be happy , I bet he was writing in his pad , keep possession , don't get into box and try to get on the end of a pass , you must get back in your own half .
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2015, 08:11:43 PM
What a shit cutback.

Very harsh.  It was a very good run and a good effort at getting the ball back in.  Just bad luck it didn't come off really.
What a shit cutback.

Very harsh.  It was a very good run and a good effort at getting the ball back in.  Just bad luck it didn't come off really.

It is harsh, but it's also top level football, and for me it's poor technique. He's got half a yard on the defender, that ball should comfortably slide along the turf for Gil to stroke home.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on January 20, 2015, 08:22:02 PM
What a shit cutback.

Very harsh.  It was a very good run and a good effort at getting the ball back in.  Just bad luck it didn't come off really.
What a shit cutback.

Very harsh.  It was a very good run and a good effort at getting the ball back in.  Just bad luck it didn't come off really.

It is harsh, but it's also top level football, and for me it's poor technique. He's got half a yard on the defender, that ball should comfortably slide along the turf for Gil to stroke home.

Harsh still, I think he was surprised to have the option rather than having to pass out to Hutton so his body angle is all wrong to play that pass.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
Competition to win his signed shirt for anyone interested http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4432566,00.html
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2015, 04:10:10 PM
That was some goal by Carles, brilliant.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smirker on January 25, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
I love him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 25, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
Quick feet.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
He's a beautiful man. Our very own Isco. I expect a £12m bid from Valencia next week.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: exigo on January 25, 2015, 05:15:19 PM
Gil gol. Headline writer's dream.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 25, 2015, 05:23:33 PM
Hope his impact gives Lambert and Lerner the confidence to sign a couple more players of his ilk this month.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on January 25, 2015, 06:47:11 PM
Just the sort of possitive wing play we've been missing all season.  One of the goals of the season without doubt.  But I echo sir Graham on the radio lets not expect too much too soon. 8)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2015, 07:25:13 PM
What a truly brilliant goal.  Exceptional stuff.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2015, 07:48:26 PM
The thing is it's correct in some ways not to get carried away, but you can see from his movement and vision he's a good player. Also ordinary players don't tend to score goals like that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 25, 2015, 07:50:46 PM
He was a class apart but also made two mistakes that could have cost us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 25, 2015, 07:57:35 PM
Noted those two slips too olaf.
But I can for give him if he scores a goal like that every game!

I only hope his presence gives a few of our underperforming players a bit of a boot up the backside and, more importantly, the manager more confidence to send the team out to be more up-tempo and direct in the final third. I think we'd score goals and win matches then.
Just a thought like.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: exigo on January 25, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
It's also the knock-on effect of the players around him. It's no surprise that Weimann and Cleverley had better games today, because of the space that was freed up by the defensive attentions on Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 25, 2015, 09:15:55 PM
That goal is getting better every time I watch it
What a lift it gave all of us on and off the pitch
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Nelly on January 25, 2015, 09:16:17 PM
Ashley Young always used to love cutting in like that and shooting or crossing. If he does half as well for us as Young did we'll do just fine. Magnificent goal today.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 25, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
Noted those two slips too olaf.
But I can for give him if he scores a goal like that every game!

I only hope his presence gives a few of our underperforming players a bit of a boot up the backside and, more importantly, the manager more confidence to send the team out to be more up-tempo and direct in the final third. I think we'd score goals and win matches then.
Just a thought like.

Still very early days yet, but I noticed those slips tended to happen when he dropped a bit too deep.  He looked a real threat when he got the ball in the final third though (he produced a sublime bit of skill and cross in the first half) and that's where he needs to play.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 25, 2015, 09:48:34 PM
Not a lot of competition I know but that is our goal of the season so far.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 25, 2015, 10:01:31 PM
I like the name!

Carles Gil de Pareja Vicent
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on January 25, 2015, 10:16:27 PM
Not a lot of competition I know but that is our goal of the season so far.
Better than Gabby's at Liverpool ? Not sure
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2015, 10:45:10 PM
I would like to see him in the centre, just off Benteke. With that kind of talent you want to see him getting on the ball as much as he can. I know the goal came from being on the right and cutting in on his left but he can always drift out wide and do the same thing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TonyD on January 25, 2015, 11:01:23 PM
He can actually play football.  Can turn and create space.  Great signing
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smoke on January 26, 2015, 01:01:12 AM
Already done more than 'super' marc managed in his last 2 seasons for us and this season for Leicester.

Oh and he's 3 years younger too.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smoke on January 26, 2015, 01:01:27 AM
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Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 26, 2015, 01:30:04 AM
I think we've got an absolute gem in this one.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on January 26, 2015, 03:40:03 AM
Not a lot of competition I know but that is our goal of the season so far.
Better than Gabby's at Liverpool ? Not sure

Andi's winner at Stoke was liquid football as well.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeS on January 26, 2015, 09:21:45 AM
Benteke's against Manure.

When we score they are good goals. When we score.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
Super goal, it really was that good. No doubt James Nursey will be trying to flog him for us before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 26, 2015, 10:28:48 AM
I'm not sure where to post this really, but anyway... I am very impressed by Gil. He has that ability to do something off the cuff and it is that sort of guile we have lacked for a very long time. His movement and passing is very good and he clearly has the ability to score goals.

That being said, I would say out best midfield would be him, Delph and Sanchez at home- is West Ham's or Southampton's really any better than that?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: DBTW on January 26, 2015, 10:33:41 AM
Gil reminds me so much of Carbone. The way he finds space, comfortable on the ball, low centre of gravity makes it hard to knock him off the ball too. Oh, and he score goals
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 26, 2015, 10:45:06 AM
Gil reminds me so much of Carbone. The way he finds space, comfortable on the ball, low centre of gravity makes it hard to knock him off the ball too. Oh, and he score goals

I've just watched that goal again and it struck me how much he looked like Shaun Maloney when he struck it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 26, 2015, 10:53:57 AM
I think we need to judge him after 10 games but suffice to say, so far so good!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Holte L2 on January 26, 2015, 12:31:04 PM
Gil reminds me so much of Carbone. The way he finds space, comfortable on the ball, low centre of gravity makes it hard to knock him off the ball too. Oh, and he score goals

5 of us in Row Z all said "Carbone" when that went in. 

It's amazing what a win does to you.  I've been smiling all day.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: DBTW on January 26, 2015, 02:40:22 PM
Gil reminds me so much of Carbone. The way he finds space, comfortable on the ball, low centre of gravity makes it hard to knock him off the ball too. Oh, and he score goals

5 of us in Row Z all said "Carbone" when that went in. 

It's amazing what a win does to you.  I've been smiling all day.

I bet sitting in row Z its better to say 'Carbone' than it was to say 'Savo'
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 26, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
Not a lot of competition I know but that is our goal of the season so far.
Better than Gabby's at Liverpool ? Not sure

Yes, and better than Benteke's v Man U. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 26, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
How did we have a squad in the 2000 Cup Final that had Carbone and Merson in it, yet we still created bugger all.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2015, 03:00:40 PM
How did we have a squad in the 2000 Cup Final that had Carbone and Merson in it, yet we still created bugger all.

(http://www.expressandstar.com/wpmvc/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/PA-1246572.jpg)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 26, 2015, 03:04:49 PM
Because Carbone was a fanny merchant and Merson vanished in big games.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: DBTW on January 26, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
fanny merchant

Didn't she run the off sales at the Pie Factory?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 26, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
Mind you we were just as bad against Bolton in the semis. That was like pulling teeth.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2015, 03:56:15 PM
The Leicester semis weren't any better. 3 semi final games and a final that season. 0 goals scored.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
Because Carbone was a fanny merchant and Merson vanished in big games.

And yet they both got us there by creating and scoring in the Last 16 and the quarters against some decent sides.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 26, 2015, 04:44:19 PM
Because Carbone was a fanny merchant and Merson vanished in big games.

And yet they both got us there by creating and scoring in the Last 16 and the quarters against some decent sides.

As I said - big games.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 26, 2015, 04:48:00 PM
Carbone got sent off at Goodison in the quarter final. Wasn't it Stone that scored up there too?

The 3-2 against Leeds in the 5th round was a great come back though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Keeno on January 26, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
I'm not sure where to post this really, but anyway... I am very impressed by Gil. He has that ability to do something off the cuff and it is that sort of guile we have lacked for a very long time. His movement and passing is very good and he clearly has the ability to score goals.

That being said, I would say out best midfield would be him, Delph and Sanchez at home- is West Ham's or Southampton's really any better than that?

This is exactly what I think too!! And watching those two teams do well with excellent managers and tactical set-ups has been one of the most frustrating things about this season. Maybe Song, Tadic are as good as anything we have but not by a huge margin - and in Benteke IMO we have a better striker technically than someone like Pelle or Carroll. With Gil in behind him, or maybe a diamond with him in the DJ Downing role behind Benteke/Andi we could create a lot more chances and play between the lines more, which is what we have been painfully lacking.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 26, 2015, 05:35:04 PM
Carbone got sent off at Goodison in the quarter final. Wasn't it Stone that scored up there too?

The 3-2 against Leeds in the 5th round was a great come back though.
Stevie Stone scored a header from a corner.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 26, 2015, 05:35:28 PM
Gil is the new Sasa Curcic. :)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2015, 05:55:50 PM
what an odd comparison unless off course you have some inside knowledge he's going to become a little mad and appear some reality show in the future. He's done as much if not more in two games as I ever recall Curcic doing for us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 26, 2015, 05:58:38 PM
what an odd comparison unless off course you have some inside knowledge he's going to become a little mad and appear some reality show in the future. He's done as much if not more in two games as I ever recall Curcic doing for us.
I imagine Gil will blossom here and go on to bigger and better things, and maybe celeb big brother too.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2015, 06:05:41 PM
I can't remember a better individual strike by us in recent times - I'd definitely have it ahead of Lowton's at Stoke.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2015, 06:12:45 PM
I can't remember a better individual strike by us in recent times - I'd definitely have it ahead of Lowton's at Stoke.

Nah. This is still better.

(http://blog.paddypower.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lowton-villa-2-11.gif)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2015, 06:16:36 PM
I can't remember a better individual strike by us in recent times - I'd definitely have it ahead of Lowton's at Stoke.

Nah. This is still better.

(http://blog.paddypower.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lowton-villa-2-11.gif)

Followed by one of the best and most mental goal celebrations in the away end.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave shelley on January 26, 2015, 07:10:26 PM
That takes some beating.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2015, 07:25:59 PM
I can't remember a better individual strike by us in recent times - I'd definitely have it ahead of Lowton's at Stoke.
Gil's was great, but I don't think we've scored a better goal than Lowton's in the last decade

In fact, I'd go all the way back to Atkinson's in 1992 to one that I would say was definitely better than his. Although there must be others that could top it that I've forgotten about for some reason. Carbone against Leeds? Cahill? Petrov?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2015, 08:09:32 PM
Because Carbone was a fanny merchant and Merson vanished in big games.

And yet they both got us there by creating and scoring in the Last 16 and the quarters against some decent sides.

As I said - big games.

But surely every FA cup game is a big game.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2015, 08:53:38 PM
what an odd comparison unless off course you have some inside knowledge he's going to become a little mad and appear some reality show in the future. He's done as much if not more in two games as I ever recall Curcic doing for us.

Curcic had a brilliant debut for us, which is what I thought of when I saw Gil as well.  Just somebody completely at ease running with the ball and trying to beat people.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2015, 11:44:00 PM
what an odd comparison unless off course you have some inside knowledge he's going to become a little mad and appear some reality show in the future. He's done as much if not more in two games as I ever recall Curcic doing for us.

Curcic had a brilliant debut for us, which is what I thought of when I saw Gil as well.  Just somebody completely at ease running with the ball and trying to beat people.

Amazing though how astonishingly downhill it went and how fast. He was a very good player at Bolton. So much stuff though going on his head so just an odd comparison in that regard. But yes both had good starts with us
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 26, 2015, 11:45:14 PM
Curcic came with a warning sign, though. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2015, 11:49:36 PM
Watching that goal from Lowton, it is such a shame we can't mould him into a midfielder because he is a technically good footballer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Concrete John on January 26, 2015, 11:57:56 PM
Watching that goal from Lowton, it is such a shame we can't mould him into a midfielder because he is a technically good footballer.

I'm more concerned that we can't work with him to get the basics of defending right so he'd just be a good right back with the added benefit of his crossing ability and goals like that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 27, 2015, 12:15:45 AM
I just love watching the Lowton goal at Stoke.
An absolute cracker...and at the right time and place...Stoke away & right in front of us.

The celebrationfest just after it went in still makes my heart skip a beat but wince a bit too - think I've still got the scars just below my knees from the seat in front.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Somniloquism on January 27, 2015, 12:18:57 AM
Curcic came with a warning sign, though.

Which was?

Curcic looked good at Bolton and initially for us but I also thought he was bought more to bring in someone who Savo knew to bond with and get the best from him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 27, 2015, 12:21:00 AM
Curcic came with a warning sign, though.

Which was?

Curcic looked good at Bolton and initially for us but I also thought he was bought more to bring in someone who Savo knew to bond with and get the best from him.

He was a lunatic. After his debut in a friendly against (I think) Motherwell he walked into the players hotel and announced "I'm going to get absolutely off my face tonight."
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2015, 01:40:31 AM
I just think that little trick to beat the Bournemouth defender and set himself up for the shot makes the Gil goal the act of a clearly classy player. Lowtons was more speculative although he had scored a fine goal against Swansea at the start of that season so clearly had it in his locker.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 27, 2015, 05:13:51 PM
Quote
Fabian Delph says Carles Gil has impressed him greatly on the pitch - and off it too.

Delph was watching from the stands as Gil produced a perfect finish to set Villa on the way to a 2-1 win over Bournemouth in the FA Cup fourth round.

He thinks Gil has a bright future in claret and blue.

He said: "We've got Carlos and Carles so I have given him the nickname Gilly - it's a lot easier.

"He looks a great player - a real talent and he's only young. I call him twinkletoes.

"First off, he works hard and he is committed. I always like to see those qualities in players I play with. I definitely see that in him.

"His goal against Bournemouth was brilliant. But he's been doing that all week in training. It was no surprise when he did it at the weekend.

"But it was definitely an unbelievable moment and an unbelievable finish. To see the fans celebrate the goal - with that noise they can generate - was great to watch."

Delph was awestruck by Gil's performance at the weekend- just as he was the previous week as the new signing wowed the squad with his vocal skills.

Gil performed Spanish pop song The Macarena to his enthusiastic team-mates - with Delph recording it for posterity.

He added: "It's a tradition we have here with new signings that come in to the club. It's a bit of fun.

"We're gutted when the lads do well actually! I was impressed with Gilly but the boys weren't happy that he only sang for about five seconds.

"On the field, he's been great to train with. He's a real talent out there. He's brilliant to link up with on the pitch.

"He's definitely going to make things happen for the team. I am sure of that.

"He's exciting, young and only going to get better."
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on January 27, 2015, 05:16:34 PM
See, those two. They're my kind of footballers.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2015, 05:53:09 PM
See, those two. They're my kind of footballers.

I think they're sex people, Lynne.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on January 27, 2015, 06:05:06 PM
See, those two. They're my kind of footballers.

I think they're sex people, Lynne.

Superb.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2015, 10:28:08 PM
Hahaha.

Its true though, Delphy is ramping up the clubman speak and we all fackin' love it.
Delph, the two Charlies, replace the moody third, French Charlie with someone bostin' and lets go all out for fourth next season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2015, 02:13:55 PM
Delph sounds like real captain material.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Curcic came with a warning sign, though.

Which was?

Curcic looked good at Bolton and initially for us but I also thought he was bought more to bring in someone who Savo knew to bond with and get the best from him.

He was a lunatic. After his debut in a friendly against (I think) Motherwell he walked into the players hotel and announced "I'm going to get absolutely off my face tonight."

I saw an interview with a Bolton player about a week after Curcic signed for Villa. He was asked if the confidence of the dressing room had taken a knock after the sale of their best player and he replied that it had improved because of it.
I knew there was something up there and then.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smirker on February 07, 2015, 11:01:35 PM
Brilliant play for Okore's goal today. Really good assist.

Started his Villa career very well indeed.

4 apps 1 goal 1 assist.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 07, 2015, 11:03:25 PM
Brilliant play for Okore's goal today. Really good assist.

Started his Villa career very well indeed.

4 apps 1 goal 1 assist.

Yes looks a good player. He's going to be very important to us in the next 5 or 6 games, which are our most important games in years in my opinion.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smirker on February 07, 2015, 11:06:16 PM
Brilliant play for Okore's goal today. Really good assist.

Started his Villa career very well indeed.

4 apps 1 goal 1 assist.

Yes looks a good player. He's going to be very important to us in the next 5 or 6 games, which are our most important games in years in my opinion.

Agreed.

Really exciting to watch too, the way he just skips past players. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2015, 11:09:10 PM
He looks a cracking find.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: VillaAlways on February 07, 2015, 11:10:54 PM
He was fantastic today, let's hope he turns our fortunes around.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 07, 2015, 11:12:09 PM
We've finally got some width in the team which is what we've been crying out for. If the goals don't start going in now we're fucked, but I think they will. The next 6 games will make or break us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
There's more to come from Sinclair too. I really hope Lambert shows the balls to go with two wise men. But Gil is simply a lovely player. A brilliant pick up for very little.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2015, 11:21:18 PM
There's more to come from Sinclair too. I really hope Lambert shows the balls to go with two wise men. But Gil is simply a lovely player. A brilliant pick up for very little.

Paul McGrath went with three.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 07, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
This thread freaks me out. When viewed from the main directory it shortens to:

"Re: Carles Gil - now off"

Which makes my heart skip a beat every time :)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
There's more to come from Sinclair too. I really hope Lambert shows the balls to go with two wise men. But Gil is simply a lovely player. A brilliant pick up for very little.

Paul McGrath went with three.

Bastard fat thumbs.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villan from luton on February 07, 2015, 11:33:28 PM
Some of those crosses today were begging for Benteke, but I dont actually blame Lambert for once for leaving him out, he has been awful with his attitude. Lets hope it gives him a kick up the derierre, but doubtful form his performance when he appeared
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 07, 2015, 11:34:27 PM
A no 10 at last! Played on the wing.....
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: andyh on February 07, 2015, 11:34:28 PM
Excellent player, but I'm so fucked off with everything else that I can't really appreciate just how good the kid is.

If that makes any sense?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: VillaAlways on February 07, 2015, 11:35:41 PM
Excellent player, but I'm so fucked off with everything else that I can't really appreciate just how good the kid is.

If that makes any sense?
Perfect sense
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villan from luton on February 07, 2015, 11:38:43 PM
He certainly looks a proper player, he will create chances
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2015, 11:40:41 PM
Excellent player, but I'm so fucked off with everything else that I can't really appreciate just how good the kid is.

If that makes any sense?
Perfect sense

Because we've been so lacking that kind of player I appreciate him even more. In fact I love him. I'd marry him if he asked me. But he won't. The bastard.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: VillaAlways on February 07, 2015, 11:47:08 PM
Excellent player, but I'm so fucked off with everything else that I can't really appreciate just how good the kid is.

If that makes any sense?
Perfect sense

Because we've been so lacking that kind of player I appreciate him even more. In fact I love him. I'd marry him if he asked me. But he won't. The bastard.
Ha!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: rooboy316 on February 08, 2015, 12:54:25 AM
I love how much he actually wants the ball.  He'll run to the halfway line to take it, and unlike the rest of the stagnant midfield, will turn and look to attack.  It's exciting to watch.

Despite losing, I thought we played well yesterday.. and it was quite fun to watch, which hasn't been the case quite often this season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 08, 2015, 12:57:44 AM
Excellent player, but I'm so fucked off with everything else that I can't really appreciate just how good the kid is.

If that makes any sense?
Perfect sense

Because we've been so lacking that kind of player I appreciate him even more. In fact I love him. I'd marry him if he asked me. But he won't. The bastard.

It is Valentines Day next week, the day of the year when you can ask him!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 08, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
Pity Kozak is injured as he would thrive on the service,maybe that's why they tried to sign Lambert?
Benteke should be perfect but when he came on yesterday he was awful.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 08, 2015, 09:22:39 PM
This thread freaks me out. When viewed from the main directory it shortens to:

"Re: Carles Gil - now off"

Which makes my heart skip a beat every time :)

He'll be off if we go down.  So we'd better not go down!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: MONCABA on February 09, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
He reminds me of Carbone. If he makes half the impact  that Benny did, we'll  be fine.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: adrenachrome on February 23, 2015, 05:59:47 PM
Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-carles-gil-wants-8700294)

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Aston Villa: Carles Gil wants to make the fans smile again


Aston Villa trickster Gil has also thanked the club's supporters for his warm welcome to Birmingham


    16:00, 23 February 2015
    By Gregg Evans


 Carles Gil wants to be the player who puts a smile back on the Aston Villa fans’ faces.

The silky-skilled Spaniard has made a big impact since his arrival from Valencia but he’s yet to taste success in the league with his new club.

In five Premier League outings, Gil has witnessed five defeats, although he’s largely been Villa’s stand-out performer.

Against Stoke on Saturday the 22-year-old was unusually out of sync but that will only increase his desire to succeed.

“I like to give people pleasure by the way I play and I would like to thank the fans for the way they have welcomed me,” he said.

“I really appreciate it because I felt at home right from the start.

“It’s important for any player - and for the team - to have the fans behind you.”

Supporters have introduced themselves to the midfielder around Birmingham which has helped Gil settle in.

A large Spanish flag was hoisted above fans during the recent trip to Hull City while home followers greet the corner-kick taker with warm applause during set plays.

“I’ve only been here for a month but I have a feeling big things are going to happen,” he added.

“We are not going through an easy stage at the moment but I have a lot of confidence in the team.

“There are some very good players here and I believe we will start winning matches and moving up the table.

“Having a new manager should make the team better because it’s a fresh start for everyone. It’s strange for me because Paul Lambert brought me here only last month. But I want to impress the new manager now.”

Gil scored a stunning goal in the FA Cup fourth round win over Bournemouth and set up Jores Okore to help Villa end an eleven-hour goal drought in the 2-1 win over Chelsea.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 23, 2015, 06:01:04 PM
We beat Chelsea? We are staying up I said we are staying up.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
“We are not going through an easy stage at the moment but I have a lot of confidence in the team." - Carlos Gil

I don't want to be around when we go through a difficult stage.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smirker on April 06, 2015, 12:36:37 AM
Back in the team for QPR please.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 06, 2015, 12:38:21 AM
I think he will. Given our injury crisis we don't have much option.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ROBBO on April 06, 2015, 02:02:18 AM
Unfathomable that he is left on the bench when Weimann gets picked.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: The Left Side on April 06, 2015, 02:46:55 AM
Rumours on twitter he had a bust up with TS at Bodymoor, but it is twitter so don't shoot the messenger.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2015, 03:49:23 AM
He doesn't have the English vocab, let alone Cockney, to have a row with Tiger Tim.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: adrenachrome on April 06, 2015, 04:10:25 AM
What we know for sure is that Timeh has said it is up to the Gil to impress him in training. It is also most likely based on various reports that said training involves full scale matches and Carles may well think this is strange, particularly when he sees players getting injured. If I was good with a nifty trick or two the like of which we have seen him deliver, I would not fancy being tackled by Clark or Baker, to be honest.

You can't blame Timeh. He has been brought in after the transfer window has closed and has to work with what he has got. They have to display their commitment on the training pitch or they won't get much playing time.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy65 on April 06, 2015, 10:04:51 AM
What we know for sure is that Timeh has said it is up to the Gil to impress him in training. It is also most likely based on various reports that said training involves full scale matches and Carles may well think this is strange, particularly when he sees players getting injured. If I was good with a nifty trick or two the like of which we have seen him deliver, I would not fancy being tackled by Clark or Baker, to be honest.

You can't blame Timeh. He has been brought in after the transfer window has closed and has to work with what he has got. They have to display their commitment on the training pitch or they won't get much playing time.

Gil played poorly in the first half against Stoke, he was way too deep and kept losing the ball. He hasnt had a chance since. He needs to play further forward just off the front two
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on April 06, 2015, 04:44:16 PM
Rumours on twitter he had a bust up with TS at Bodymoor, but it is twitter so don't shoot the messenger.

Then why put him on the bench? If he's persona non grata with the manager to the extent that he refuses to play him, then why waste a space on the bench with him? That rumour doesn't make sense to me (without wanting to shoot you, TLS!).
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dazvillain on April 06, 2015, 05:27:34 PM
Surely with injuries to Westy and Sinclair he'll think of starting him tomoz >?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 06, 2015, 05:29:26 PM
He'd absolutely destroy QPRs plodding defence. If the lads approach tomorrow right it could be like Sunderland the other year.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 06, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
I'm surprised, and disappointed, we haven't seen more of Gil recently.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: usav on April 06, 2015, 06:08:11 PM
I'm surprised, and disappointed, we haven't seen more of Gil recently.
I think we all are.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on April 06, 2015, 06:10:28 PM
Bombsquad TS, founder member ?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 06, 2015, 08:07:04 PM
I'm worried that it's because Sherwood likes 44bleeding2 and there's no sensible place for someone like Gil (or Grealish) then. Not out and out wingers and can't track back as someone like Wiemann will.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 06, 2015, 08:09:32 PM
Hasn't Gil played his entire career on the wing?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 06, 2015, 08:14:42 PM
He may well have played wide, but I wouldn't have thought as a winger in 442 in Spanish football.

Wide right as one of the front 3 in a 433 or the Mick McCarthy special in a 4312 I would guess based on what we saw of him under Lambert.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on April 07, 2015, 12:12:20 AM
Saturday was the first time since the Newcastle match that Sherwood played a flat 4-4-2 though. Gil would fit just as well as Zog or Weimann into the teams he's been picking.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: wozwebs on April 07, 2015, 12:21:46 AM
I just think that TS assumes Gil is a 'luxury' player and at a time like this we need grafters to grind out the points. I'd play him without question as he can be an exciting player and create things.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2015, 12:23:50 AM
I just think that TS assumes Gil is a 'luxury' player and at a time like this we need grafters to grind out the points. I'd play him without question as he can be an exciting player and create things.

That goes against his 'rather have one win and two defeats than three draws' philosophy that we've seen.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tony scott on April 07, 2015, 07:58:52 AM
I Think I was shocked to see how easily the Stoke defence eased him off the ball, and he just went further back into the midfield trying to get time on the ball which he didn't.  In today's game all of our opponent s will have seen this.  I hope he is trying to come to terms with this part of Premiership, and think think T S  wants solid and reliable at the moment.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on April 07, 2015, 08:19:44 AM
he has solid and reliable in Joe Cole. His gut is solid and you can rely on him to either be injured or puffing after 5mins.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on April 07, 2015, 08:21:30 AM
If Sherwood plays him tonight (and I don't think he will) Joey Barton will tackle him very hard in the first ten minutes just to see how he reacts.
I suspect Mr Sherwood will use Sanchez to combat any tricks Barton might get up to. It is also time for Benteke to turn in a match winning performance. For a man of his size and power he is capable of offering a lot more than he has been giving.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on April 07, 2015, 08:45:04 AM
I'd go all out to wind Barton up - every player. He seems to lose it in the important games.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on April 07, 2015, 08:52:03 AM
If Sherwood plays him tonight (and I don't think he will) Joey Barton will tackle him very hard in the first ten minutes just to see how he reacts.
I suspect Mr Sherwood will use Sanchez to combat any tricks Barton might get up to. It is also time for Benteke to turn in a match winning performance. For a man of his size and power he is capable of offering a lot more than he has been giving.


I  don't quite get the recent Benteke bashing. He scored on Saturday, scored the winner against Albion with a very cool penalty under the circumstances and scored two very good goals against Sunderland. Others need to chip in as well, we can't look to him all the time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 07, 2015, 08:57:21 AM
If Sherwood plays him tonight (and I don't think he will) Joey Barton will tackle him very hard in the first ten minutes just to see how he reacts.
I suspect Mr Sherwood will use Sanchez to combat any tricks Barton might get up to. It is also time for Benteke to turn in a match winning performance. For a man of his size and power he is capable of offering a lot more than he has been giving.


I  don't quite get the recent Benteke bashing. He scored on Saturday, scored the winner against Albion with a very cool penalty under the circumstances and scored two very good goals against Sunderland. Others need to chip in as well, we can't look to him all the time.

It's more his general demenour and seeming lack of interest and effort.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on April 07, 2015, 09:00:07 AM
If Sherwood plays him tonight (and I don't think he will) Joey Barton will tackle him very hard in the first ten minutes just to see how he reacts.
I suspect Mr Sherwood will use Sanchez to combat any tricks Barton might get up to. It is also time for Benteke to turn in a match winning performance. For a man of his size and power he is capable of offering a lot more than he has been giving.


I  don't quite get the recent Benteke bashing. He scored on Saturday, scored the winner against Albion with a very cool penalty under the circumstances and scored two very good goals against Sunderland. Others need to chip in as well, we can't look to him all the time.

It's more his general demenour and seeming lack of interest and effort.

Lack of effort? 4 in the last 4 games is it?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 07, 2015, 09:11:58 AM
That's why I suggested demeanor and seeming lack of effort - rather than goals.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: walsall villain on April 07, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
I Think I was shocked to see how easily the Stoke defence eased him off the ball, and he just went further back into the midfield trying to get time on the ball which he didn't.  In today's game all of our opponent s will have seen this.  I hope he is trying to come to terms with this part of Premiership, and think think T S  wants solid and reliable at the moment.
Yes, he lost possession frequently when he dropped back. Sherwood would not have been impressed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: john e on April 07, 2015, 09:22:17 AM
If Sherwood plays him tonight (and I don't think he will) Joey Barton will tackle him very hard in the first ten minutes just to see how he reacts.
I suspect Mr Sherwood will use Sanchez to combat any tricks Barton might get up to. It is also time for Benteke to turn in a match winning performance. For a man of his size and power he is capable of offering a lot more than he has been giving.


I  don't quite get the recent Benteke bashing. He scored on Saturday, scored the winner against Albion with a very cool penalty under the circumstances and scored two very good goals against Sunderland. Others need to chip in as well, we can't look to him all the time.

It's more his general demenour and seeming lack of interest and effort.

Lack of effort? 4 in the last 4 games is it?

yep I agree with you clampy
the problem with Benteke is he is an extremely laid back character, sometimes this can be misinterpreted as not being bothered
even when he scores sometimes he just raises his hand thing like its no big deal, its just the way he is, and it also comes over in the few interviews he's given, he normaly gives straight answers to questions which can be seen as he's not happy or whatever

the day he signed he was talking about arsenal, he just talks openly and honestly, I like him for that, but ultimately he is his own man,
I think he is totally commited to keeping Villa up even though at times he looks a bit elsewhere
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: David_Nab on April 07, 2015, 09:32:36 AM
Benteke looks a player who had no preseason.He is scoring but he is not the ''Beast'' from his first season.His hold up play is lacking of late with his strength needs to hold the ball up better to allow the team to get forward to support.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: exigo on April 07, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
He can be smoking a pipe in a deckchair in the centre circle for all I care, as long as he scores in all of our games this season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 02:11:48 PM
If Benteke keeps scoring I'm not too fussed about his demeanour.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on April 07, 2015, 02:58:13 PM
Some people are going to pray for Benteke walzing about next season when they catch a sight of Adebayor literally ambling around without a care in the world.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 07, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
That was the accusation levelled at Matt Le Tissier, I wish we'd got the opportunity to see him ambling around in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 06:55:34 PM
Pretty sure he won't be a Villa player very long with Sherwood in charge.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 07, 2015, 06:57:19 PM
Pretty sure he won't be a Villa player very long with Sherwood in charge.

If we only had to keep one..
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2015, 06:58:34 PM
I pray this whole Gil isn't becoming spite. We just fucking came out the whole bomb squad bollocks. The last thing we need is a new one.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2015, 07:08:00 PM
This worries me, and I think that what worries me most about it is the implication there might be stuff going on behind the scenes that we'd be better off without.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on April 07, 2015, 07:09:56 PM
Joke if true
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: django on April 07, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
I can't help but feel like Sherwood doesn't want us to be saved by Lamberts last throw of the dice rather than one of his own.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on April 07, 2015, 07:12:23 PM
Looks like egos are being put before the good of the club
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 07, 2015, 07:14:09 PM
Maybe he just isn't very good?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 07, 2015, 07:15:28 PM
Maybe he just isn't very good?

26 games at Spurs and a handful here is too early to write him off, surely?

Oh, you meant, Gil. From what I remember he's a gem.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on April 07, 2015, 07:15:49 PM
Maybe he just isn't very good?
Well we know that isn't the case
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 07, 2015, 07:20:08 PM
Some reports he's driven off from Villa Park this evening.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 07, 2015, 07:20:34 PM
I don't blame him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2015, 07:40:03 PM
If he has, he's going about it completely the wrong way. Just get on with it lad, train hard, work at your weaknesses and earn your place in the team.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smirker on April 07, 2015, 07:44:53 PM
Some reports he's driven off from Villa Park this evening.

Where?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 07, 2015, 07:49:42 PM
Maybe he just isn't very good?
Well we know that isn't the case

We don't know anything of the sort.  He was doing nothing much at a nothing club before he came here, then scored one good goal.  He was utter shite against Stoke, and you don't know what he's shown in training.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on April 07, 2015, 07:52:16 PM
What has Weimann showed in any match since the Liverpool match to merit being anywhere near the squad? And yet he's in ahead of Gil. Gil has shown more in actual matches - you know, the football which counts - than Weimann could possibly have shown in training.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Smirker on April 07, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
Valencia aren't a nothing club in fairness.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 07, 2015, 08:42:22 PM
If he's seen Grealish's performance so far he'll be even more annoyed!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 07, 2015, 08:46:27 PM
We could do without any dissent in the ranks.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 07, 2015, 08:48:21 PM
If he's seen Grealish's performance so far he'll be even more annoyed!

If he's seen Grealish so far, he'll realise he won't be getting in the team anytime soon.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 07, 2015, 09:49:27 PM
If he's seen Grealish's performance so far he'll be even more annoyed!

If he's seen Grealish so far, he'll realise he won't be getting in the team anytime soon.

Behave. Give me one example of Grealish affecting the game. He had a couple of runs that came to nothing.  Great. He had even more chances at taking a corner and fluffed them all. It was his big chance and he blew it.

CNZ did more in 60 secs than Jack did in 60 minutes. Gil must be crying.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on April 07, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
Some reports he's driven off from Villa Park this evening.
Well that will at least be 2 weeks wages saved.
Randy will be happy,
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 07, 2015, 09:59:23 PM
It's a managers job to decide who's in the team and they live and die by their decisions. It's a players job to do as much as he can to get in to the team and if he can't he leaves.

Gil has been here 5 minutes, we are in a relegation fight. The last thing I'd want is someone bringing even more distractions, everyone should be in it together, in the team or not, you have to fight for your place and not strop. If it is true and they've already had a run in I'd want him gone in the summer. We need team players.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 07, 2015, 10:03:03 PM
Has there actually been any rumours or is this guess work based his lack of game time?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 07, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
You're absolutely right aj2k77 but it must be pretty tough for him. He's a relatively young lad who's just moved to a different country having been sold the opportunity by one guy only to see everything change within a month and find himself completely ostracized.

He probably needs the same kind of arm around the shoulder Grealish has been given and based on performances to date he deserves it more than Grealish too.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 07, 2015, 10:36:59 PM
If he's seen Grealish's performance so far he'll be even more annoyed!

If he's seen Grealish so far, he'll realise he won't be getting in the team anytime soon.

Behave. Give me one example of Grealish affecting the game. He had a couple of runs that came to nothing.  Great. He had even more chances at taking a corner and fluffed them all. It was his big chance and he blew it.

CNZ did more in 60 secs than Jack did in 60 minutes. Gil must be crying.

I think you must have been watching a different game.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2015, 10:42:03 PM
Me too. He was getting into spaces between their defence and midfield and he had trickery to beat players with ease. They were happy when he went off because they didn't have answers to him. Taking him off for Cole was a mistake.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
To not even have him as a potential impact sub ahead of Joe Cole is criminal.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2015, 10:44:15 PM
Grealish did well first half. Struggled second half as did most.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2015, 10:49:04 PM
The whole team struggled second half after their change of shape. Apparently it was Ramsay's coaches that suggested the change so Lord help us if he becomes our assistant manager at some point.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 07, 2015, 10:51:20 PM
To not even have him as a potential impact sub ahead of Joe Cole is criminal.

I'd rather have Gil on the bench then not, but if you are not in the team you fight for your place, you support your team mates and you earn your wage. Every footballer is out of favour some time.

The better ones do what they can to get back in favour. We need fighters not trouble makers.

He needs to get his head down and keep plugging away, everyone will get a chance. He's doing himself no favours if he's making scenes.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on April 07, 2015, 10:53:11 PM
He was doing nothing much at a nothing club before he came here
He wasn't doing much there, you're right - but we signed him from one of the biggest clubs in European football. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
To not even have him as a potential impact sub ahead of Joe Cole is criminal.

I'd rather have Gil on the bench then not, but if you are not in the team you fight for your place, you support your team mates and you earn your wage. Every footballer is out of favour some time.

The better ones do what they can to get back in favour. We need fighters not trouble makers.

He needs to get his head down and keep plugging away, everyone will get a chance. He's doing himself no favours if he's making scenes.



Sherwood said in the Mail today Gil is training very well so I doubt his attitude is a problem.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 07, 2015, 11:27:40 PM
Is it all rumours and bullshit then? I hope so, we need anyone who's capable in this run in.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy65 on April 07, 2015, 11:37:32 PM
He was doing nothing much at a nothing club before he came here
He wasn't doing much there, you're right - but we signed him from one of the biggest clubs in European football.

But looked decent when he has played for us, save as Stoke
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 08, 2015, 12:52:22 AM
It looks to me like Sherwood sees Gil as a bit of a fancy foreigner. He wants Proper Football Men like Joe Cole or promising youngsters like Grealish who he can use to enhance his reputation as someone who brings youth through.

Forgive me for speculating, but I'm really annoyed by this. For too long, we've needed someone like Gil in our team, I just hope Sherwood realises he's making a mistake.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 08, 2015, 02:22:04 AM
It looks to me like Sherwood sees Gil as a bit of a fancy foreigner. He wants Proper Football Men like Joe Cole or promising youngsters like Grealish who he can use to enhance his reputation as someone who brings youth through.

Forgive me for speculating, but I'm really annoyed by this. For too long, we've needed someone like Gil in our team, I just hope Sherwood realises he's making a mistake.

Seems a reasonable speculation to me. Sherwood does seem to rail against johnny foreigner a lot and he has had issues with spanish players before, Shame because I think gil adds something.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 08, 2015, 07:48:11 AM
Must be wondering why he bothered.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 08, 2015, 07:55:19 AM
I am asking this seriously, what was our results when Gill was in the team ?
To me it is a case that Sherwood wants high pressing, high energy players and Gill for all his suitable silky skills is not that, maybe if we were safe he would be the luxury we can afford but we are not, so it is horses for courses, also if that is the case Gill should knuckle down and get on with it, windows shut, so if he wants to go, he is going nowhere till June.
Also Sherwood does not like foreigners or can't get the best out of them, what part of Small Heath does Adebayor come from then.
To much of don't like Sherwood he is a cockney chancer, we gave so much leeway to Mumbles it was untrue, welcome to Villa Park Tim, were not fickle we just don't like yer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 08, 2015, 08:00:13 AM
Maybe Sherwood takes exception to the ridiculous pronunciation of his surname?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithe on April 08, 2015, 08:07:52 AM
I am asking this seriously, what was our results when Gill was in the team ?
To me it is a case that Sherwood wants high pressing, high energy players and Gill for all his suitable silky skills is not that, maybe if we were safe he would be the luxury we can afford but we are not, so it is horses for courses, also if that is the case Gill should knuckle down and get on with it, windows shut, so if he wants to go, he is going nowhere till June.
Also Sherwood does not like foreigners or can't get the best out of them, what part of Small Heath does Adebayor come from then.
To much of don't like Sherwood he is a cockney chancer, we gave so much leeway to Mumbles it was untrue, welcome to Villa Park Tim, were not fickle we just don't like yer.

I think the puzzlement is down to other alternatives offering no more than Gil, young Jack doesnt press the ball quicker, isnt physically stronger and doesnt keep the ball better. Its just a little strange that hes the only one who hasnt been given a chance.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on April 08, 2015, 08:12:57 AM
is sanchez better than gil

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 08, 2015, 08:28:00 AM
is sanchez better than gil

You can answer that question two ways.

1. Is ice cream better than soup?
2. No, but in Sherwood's opinion Grealish, Cole and Nzogbia are.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 08, 2015, 08:30:46 AM
I am asking this seriously, what was our results when Gill was in the team ?
To me it is a case that Sherwood wants high pressing, high energy players and Gill for all his suitable silky skills is not that, maybe if we were safe he would be the luxury we can afford but we are not, so it is horses for courses, also if that is the case Gill should knuckle down and get on with it, windows shut, so if he wants to go, he is going nowhere till June.
Also Sherwood does not like foreigners or can't get the best out of them, what part of Small Heath does Adebayor come from then.
To much of don't like Sherwood he is a cockney chancer, we gave so much leeway to Mumbles it was untrue, welcome to Villa Park Tim, were not fickle we just don't like yer.

I think the puzzlement is down to other alternatives offering no more than Gil, young Jack doesnt press the ball quicker, isnt physically stronger and doesnt keep the ball better. Its just a little strange that hes the only one who hasnt been given a chance.

Grealish was superb in the first half last night.  Have to admit to admit I'd have been happier with Gill on the bench than Cole though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on April 08, 2015, 08:42:45 AM
is sanchez better than gil



I'm not usre what you mean by asking that. They play in different positions.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aev on April 08, 2015, 08:53:47 AM
From the glimpses of Gil he is undoubtedly exciting but we don't see how they train during the week - one of the (many) criticisms of Lambert was his stubbornness in picking the same players over and over again.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: MONCABA on April 08, 2015, 10:19:43 AM
I'm not claiming to be ITK, but word from the dressing room is Gil and Sherwood don't like each other very much. It is alleged he stormed off when he was told he wasnt in last night's squad. Worrying if true.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 08, 2015, 10:39:31 AM
I am asking this seriously, what was our results when Gill was in the team ?
To me it is a case that Sherwood wants high pressing, high energy players and Gill for all his suitable silky skills is not that, maybe if we were safe he would be the luxury we can afford but we are not, so it is horses for courses, also if that is the case Gill should knuckle down and get on with it, windows shut, so if he wants to go, he is going nowhere till June.
Also Sherwood does not like foreigners or can't get the best out of them, what part of Small Heath does Adebayor come from then.
To much of don't like Sherwood he is a cockney chancer, we gave so much leeway to Mumbles it was untrue, welcome to Villa Park Tim, were not fickle we just don't like yer.

I think the puzzlement is down to other alternatives offering no more than Gil, young Jack doesnt press the ball quicker, isnt physically stronger and doesnt keep the ball better. Its just a little strange that hes the only one who hasnt been given a chance.

Grealish was superb in the first half last night.  Have to admit to admit I'd have been happier with Gill on the bench than Cole though.

how was Grealish superb? He did ok but he is too slow to react and sometimes slow to release the ball. Definitely got a lot of potential but more of an impact player than a starter for me at the moment
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithe on April 08, 2015, 10:43:39 AM
I thought Jack was OK, no more, no less, he kept the ball pretty well at times but didn't really hurt them apart from playing Cleverley in the once. He's only young and I look forward to seeing him develop but for me he doesn't commit opposing players as well as Gil does.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 08, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
We don't know what happens in training or behind closed doors, according to what I've read about Sherwood if you aren't doing it in Training then your not in the team.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2015, 10:51:33 AM
We don't know what happens in training or behind closed doors, according to what I've read about Sherwood if you aren't doing it in Training then your not in the team.

What if, like Weimann, you haven't done it in the team for nearly a year? It's hard to imagine how bad Gil must be doing in training, if that's the reason for his being behind Weimann. To be honest, I have a feeling Sherwood's going with the players he's heard of before coming to Villa.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: curiousorange on April 08, 2015, 10:52:36 AM
To a certain extent, I see what Sherwood seems to be driving at with Gil, because we were so shaky without the ball yesterday that you'd prefer ten outfield players who don't mind getting bruises if they're defending a lead. However, when they equalised, their defence became so much more effective; decently organised and virtually dominant in the air, so of course that's why we kept punting it in the air towards Benteke. Imagine if you'd got a player you could call on who sees a tiny pass, could jink his way past a clodhopping full back?

If Sherwood doesn't think Gil is up for a fight, fair enough, but he's a Plan B option at worst, and everyone could see we had an extra dimension again once N'Zogbia came on. My feeling is that Sherwood sees in Joe Cole everything Gil can do, plus Premier League experience. I don't agree with that, but Sherwood has to answer for these decisions regardless of what we think. I just hope that he's not another player we had who didn't get a fair chance and goes on to better things.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
Grealish and Cole both showed a distinct lack of stuck-in-ness yesterday - much less than Gil has shown in his brief time here. Grealish was almost Downing-esque, the way he avoided tackles or challenging for headers sometimes.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithe on April 08, 2015, 11:33:13 AM
Cole must me absolutely marvelous for a few minutes every day in training.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on April 08, 2015, 11:49:48 AM
Cole must me absolutely marvelous for a few minutes every day in training.
I can imagine Cole rolling back the years in training. A few Zidane roulettes here and there. Perhaps a 20 yard screamer and a few rabonas.
To be fair Cole did okay yesterday. He actually ran and he created a couple of chances.

If we are indeed going full pelt in training I'd imagine it may be quite a culture shock for Gil. But if he can't handle the pace in training, Sherwood must assume he can't handle it in a proper game.
I hope he gets his chance, because he's a classy player, but we'll have to see.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 08, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
Gil offers more than the Zog and Grealish for me at the moment
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on April 08, 2015, 11:54:40 AM
Grealish and Cole both showed a distinct lack of stuck-in-ness yesterday - much less than Gil has shown in his brief time here. Grealish was almost Downing-esque, the way he avoided tackles or challenging for headers sometimes.
I don't mind players like that. You can only afford one in your side which is why it's one or the other with Cole and Grealish.
What Jack did on the ball was impressive and showed a bit more vision than you'd get from Zogbia and Sinclair.
But by the same token, Sinclair and Zogbia can just knock the ball and run after it if they want. Even if they play with their head down too much.

I think Jack did enough to keep his place in the 18, if not the 11. Sinclair will be back soon. Zogbia, Utd aside has done well enough.
I'd actually be slightly worried if we see Gil, as it might mean things have taken an even shitter turn.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on April 08, 2015, 12:00:44 PM
is sanchez better than gil



I'm not usre what you mean by asking that. They play in different positions.

ok, ones defensive and the other attacking but as I see it their both midfielders, and I hate to have a go at our players (trust me i didnt boo) but sanchez was awful and with what a lot on here are saying gil is a bit good, so I just thought, if a player is not doing to well on the pitch, then why not give this kid his spurs, well as I say just a thought, at the end of the day I believe "we on here all want the same, a world dominating Aston Villa"
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 08, 2015, 02:32:07 PM
I am asking this seriously, what was our results when Gill was in the team ?
To me it is a case that Sherwood wants high pressing, high energy players and Gill for all his suitable silky skills is not that, maybe if we were safe he would be the luxury we can afford but we are not, so it is horses for courses, also if that is the case Gill should knuckle down and get on with it, windows shut, so if he wants to go, he is going nowhere till June.
Also Sherwood does not like foreigners or can't get the best out of them, what part of Small Heath does Adebayor come from then.
To much of don't like Sherwood he is a cockney chancer, we gave so much leeway to Mumbles it was untrue, welcome to Villa Park Tim, were not fickle we just don't like yer.

I think the puzzlement is down to other alternatives offering no more than Gil, young Jack doesnt press the ball quicker, isnt physically stronger and doesnt keep the ball better. Its just a little strange that hes the only one who hasnt been given a chance.

Grealish was superb in the first half last night.  Have to admit to admit I'd have been happier with Gill on the bench than Cole though.

how was Grealish superb? He did ok but he is too slow to react and sometimes slow to release the ball. Definitely got a lot of potential but more of an impact player than a starter for me at the moment

The way I saw it he was pivotal to just about every attacking move we made in the 1st half.  His touch was excellent and more than anyone else he played balls with created chances for others (or at least for them get a dangerous ball into the box).

On the ball he moved well and was excellent in beating players who were intent on scything challenges - he should have gone down for a few of them but then again he may have been chastened by his recent red card.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 08, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
This is probably just me putting 2 + 2 together and getting 6 but Sherwood has talked a lot about we have players who are icing on the cake players, not grafters and battlers. He's also upped the intensity in training and said everyone gets a chance if they show him what he wants to see in training.

My betting would be training is physical and Gil isn't one to put himself about in training and is one of the icing on the cake players he's mentioned. Not Sherwoods type and could possibly be gone in the summer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: barrysleftfoot on April 08, 2015, 03:56:56 PM
 If you are right aj, then i worry about the kind of football we are going to play under Sherwood.Gil is one of the best footballers at the club., if not the best.For me he offers more of a goal threat than Grealish, has a better pass on him than N'Zog, and would be a good provider for CB.

 I think we have more chance of beating teams with Gil in the team.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 08, 2015, 04:03:10 PM
We don't know what happens in training or behind closed doors, according to what I've read about Sherwood if you aren't doing it in Training then your not in the team.

What if, like Weimann, you haven't done it in the team for nearly a year? It's hard to imagine how bad Gil must be doing in training, if that's the reason for his being behind Weimann. To be honest, I have a feeling Sherwood's going with the players he's heard of before coming to Villa.

That's a ridiculous suggestion. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passport1 on April 08, 2015, 04:10:58 PM
I took the view that in a high stakes game he wanted to go with experience (and Grealish was as much inexperience as he was prepared to risk). Gil to me is one for the future who is very new to our league.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on April 08, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Lets face it as much as most of us would like to Carles Gil (the man with skill) in the first eleven we will have to hope Tim Sherwood is right in not picking him for whatever reason. All that matters is staying up,nothing else. Having said that Carles could be very effective against Spurs
who are not a side who get stuck into players. They will be far more concerned about stopping a rampaging Benteke to worry about a player
they have hardly heard of.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 08, 2015, 05:48:02 PM
Maybe Sherwood thought it was too much for Gil to play two games in two days.

Gil is playing tonight for the U21s at Molineux.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on April 08, 2015, 05:51:46 PM
Excellent opportunity for Gil to impress tonight. Hopefully he makes a statement.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 08, 2015, 06:33:40 PM
I am a bit worried by this reticence to involve Gil. If he wants more bite then fair enough but him not even benching when we are starting Chopper Grealish flies in the face of that. As does Sherwood's comment to the Mail that he is very good in training, so it can't be an attitude thing.

He should be involved.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 08, 2015, 06:43:18 PM
I think Sherwood sees it as Grealish Vs Gil and if wants to be the next England manager he'll get more Harry Kane type headlines with Grealish.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on April 08, 2015, 06:48:03 PM
Or, he prefers Grealish.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2015, 07:01:01 PM
We don't know what happens in training or behind closed doors, according to what I've read about Sherwood if you aren't doing it in Training then your not in the team.

What if, like Weimann, you haven't done it in the team for nearly a year? It's hard to imagine how bad Gil must be doing in training, if that's the reason for his being behind Weimann. To be honest, I have a feeling Sherwood's going with the players he's heard of before coming to Villa.

That's a ridiculous suggestion. 

I don't think so. He trusts them more because he knows them better. Given the incredibly dicey situation we're in, I couldn't necessarily blame him if he was doing that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on April 08, 2015, 07:05:41 PM
he also said that he knew nothing of us before joining (in relation to performances) so its not totally beyond reason that any reputations that players may have made previously have indelibly marked his thoughts on a player. He had very little time to get to know his players, his better ones, the ones he can trust, the ones that play the way he likes, the ones that fit into his system etc etc he may see Weimann doing it in training and remember some goals he has scored for us and thrown him in. Noticeable that he isn't much of a starter now, though as Sherwood gets to know the players.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 08, 2015, 07:06:39 PM
We don't know what happens in training or behind closed doors, according to what I've read about Sherwood if you aren't doing it in Training then your not in the team.

What if, like Weimann, you haven't done it in the team for nearly a year? It's hard to imagine how bad Gil must be doing in training, if that's the reason for his being behind Weimann. To be honest, I have a feeling Sherwood's going with the players he's heard of before coming to Villa.

That's a ridiculous suggestion. 

I don't think so. He trusts them more because he knows them better. Given the incredibly dicey situation we're in, I couldn't necessarily blame him if he was doing that.

How would he "know" them better.  What interaction would he have ever had with Grealish, for example?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2015, 07:14:40 PM
He was involved in youth football for years and I believe actually said he'd known about Grealish before coming here. It makes sense - it's what commentators refer to as 'knowing what you're going to get' from a player. Gil is just the least known quantity in that regard, so among similar players he's just going what he knows best.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on April 08, 2015, 07:22:35 PM
Grealish was good last night. Attacking is no longer our problem.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 08, 2015, 07:56:57 PM
I am a bit worried by this reticence to involve Gil. If he wants more bite then fair enough but him not even benching when we are starting Chopper Grealish flies in the face of that. As does Sherwood's comment to the Mail that he is very good in training, so it can't be an attitude thing.

He should be involved.

I would like him involved as well but you never know whats going on. The Helenius incident and the mystery of the disappearing Chris Herd lead me to keep an open mind about why a player gets dropped.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: brian green on April 08, 2015, 08:20:56 PM
There was a strong rumour going around the Holte last night that there had been a row between Gil and Sherwood ending with Gil getting into a taxi and disappearing.    Yeah, I know, a magician like Sasa Curcic.   For disappearing read going we know not where.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 08, 2015, 08:21:30 PM
Arse. He went off injured in the U21's game. Pounding the ground with his fist apparently. So there we go :(
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on April 08, 2015, 08:44:07 PM
Arse. He went off injured in the U21's game. Pounding the ground with his fist apparently. So there we go :(

You have got to be kidding
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Legion on April 08, 2015, 08:46:32 PM
He went off injured.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: brian green on April 08, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
That is just the news we did not want.   Perhaps the taxi story was because he could not drive his own car.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 08, 2015, 09:22:07 PM
Perhaps it was similar to the time Radio Five spent an evening claiming Robbie Flower had refused to play for Liverpool reserves and had stormed off, they wanted people's thoughts on the matter and to let them know if you knew of his whereabouts. Oddly enough they didn't call my mum back when she got through to say she had seen him that afternoon in Southport. Playing for Liverpool reserves.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 10, 2015, 06:06:29 PM
Any news on the injury to our most technically gifted, wonder goalscoring player?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: joe_c on April 10, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
Has anyone else pointed out that the front page abbreviates the thread title to "Re: Carles Gil - now off..." which always seems so ominous.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Leicester_Villian on April 10, 2015, 06:20:10 PM
Firstly Gill did not storm off in a taxi and thats fact .....

When Gill was playing there were times when his support of the full back was poor ....that I believe is something that will come in time

I believe its a case that he has not yet come to terms with the Premiership and will need a full pre season before we start to see him ...thats pretty common with players from overseas

Sherwood I believe is simply being cautious and one fact I believe that is hindering Gill starting is the situation with our full backs at the moment ....having said that I am surprised that he is not coming on for 20 minutes if theres a need
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2015, 06:36:46 PM
The fullbacks wouldn't be an issue if he was playing behind the strikers, which looks like his best position.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
That is just the news we did not want.   Perhaps the taxi story was because he could not drive his own car.

Can't see over the wheel.

*nods*
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 10, 2015, 07:14:32 PM
Grealish was good last night. Attacking is no longer our problem.

You see these type of comments seem to be put as fact as justification for why Gil should be out in the cold.

What I saw on Tuesday was an incredibly flat second half performance in which the only worthwhile chance was a brilliant individual free kick from Benteke.

This isn't the only time, we didn't create much second half v Swansea and even in the league game v West Brom we weren't really doing much attacking before the late pen.

My point is if Carles Gil isn't starting he should be a sub and come on in second halfs where we hit lulls rather than Joe Cole.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pav on April 10, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
For what it's worth.. After the rumour gil had left the ground,  just before game stated he came back in the ground via north stand and walked in front of North stand to the tunnel.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on April 10, 2015, 08:02:01 PM
Grealish was good last night. Attacking is no longer our problem.

You see these type of comments seem to be put as fact as justification for why Gil should be out in the cold.

What I saw on Tuesday was an incredibly flat second half performance in which the only worthwhile chance was a brilliant individual free kick from Benteke.

This isn't the only time, we didn't create much second half v Swansea and even in the league game v West Brom we weren't really doing much attacking before the late pen.

My point is if Carles Gil isn't starting he should be a sub and come on in second halfs where we hit lulls rather than Joe Cole.
I think the Joe Cole thing is purely a case of familiarity. Same as Zogbia. I thought Cole actually did okay when he came on and did create that opening that could have seen Benteke snatch the winner at the end.

Whether he'll ever trust Gil remains to be seen though. But I suspect much will depend on Gil's pre-season. Sometimes as a manager you want the right reaction from a player when they've been dropped. Sherwood clearly feels he's not getting that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2015, 08:31:00 PM
I think Gil would be more deserving of a place on the bench than Andi Weimann. I can't remember the last time he made a significant contribution.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
Manchester City last season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2015, 08:39:18 PM
So September 2013, pretty much 18 months.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 10, 2015, 08:48:30 PM
Depends if you want to count his winner at Stoke, that he scored in the 2-1 wins over Hull and Bournemouth as well as providing an assist against Hull as well as an assist at Burnley. There was also his goal against Spurs that should have given us at least a point, if not all 3 were in for that little shit Mason.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2015, 09:09:13 PM
I'd say Hull at the start of the season 1 goal, 1 assist and played very well in the first half.  2nd half PL withdrew everyone to the edge of our own box and we defended for our lives but the first half was a good performance and Weimann was the key to it.  It was one of those games where you can see that he could be an effective 2nd striker but all too often he's been played on the right wing where he doesn't have anything like the right skillset.

Go on whoscored and look at his position map - http://www.whoscored.com/Players/80719 - scroll down a little.  If you look on the right it gives you their rating for him in each position for this season his rating when played a central striker is much better than his average, and if you look at it historically the same is true for every season he's been with us.  His willingness to run around has led to him being totally misused for the last 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
Those type of comments represent an opinion that if you score three goals and don't win a game, then it's not because you didn't have enough attacking options.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on April 10, 2015, 09:36:07 PM
Those type of comments represent an opinion that if you score three goals and don't win a game, then it's not because you didn't have enough attacking options.
From what I saw, scoring three goals had very little to do with the quality and quantity of our attacking options - but that we had one fantastic striker playing very well.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2015, 11:24:33 PM
It's a fair point to consider the Lambert effect and the stats don't look good for him as a substitute.

His stats as a central striker are based on 3 games and he actually rates higher as an attacking left midfielder, though based on only 1 game.

Gil's probably the better option as a substitute and whenever Weimann gets to start a game as a striker, he needs to grab the chance and start afresh under Sherwood.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2015, 01:06:23 AM
His stats playing centrally for the last 4 years are ok so it's a much bigger sample than 3 games.  I think he probably needs to leave and have a new start to have a real chance though, there's too much history at villa now, I don't think he's anything like as poor as he's looked but he's got no confidence in himself and the fans have no confidence in him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 11, 2015, 09:54:48 AM
To much history?! He's been here 3 months!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
To much history?! He's been here 3 months!

I think he may be on about Weimann. Honestly If a bid of £3-4m came in for Andy I'd take it. We need better striking options.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 11, 2015, 11:32:17 AM
Who would give us that kind of money for him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2015, 11:46:40 AM
Who would give us that kind of money for him.

I dunno, but didn't fulham spend 10m on a striker who has only ever played in the championship?
I reckon weimann at 5m would be a great buy for a Wolves/Ipswich/Derby/Forrest type club especially if they played him as a striker.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2015, 11:54:05 AM
To much history?! He's been here 3 months!

I think he may be on about Weimann. Honestly If a bid of £3-4m came in for Andy I'd take it. We need better striking options.

Yeah sorry, I did mean Weimann, I expect he'll be on his way this summer and I think 5-6m would be a fair price, if he is used properly I think he can regularly get 10-15 a season in this league but I just don't see it happening for him with us.

Gil I think will be more involved next season but I suspect he'll be set to working on his core strength over the summer, being small and agile is very useful but you need to have enough strength to not get knocked flying by every challenge and I don't think he has that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: adrenachrome on April 30, 2015, 02:11:02 PM
Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11572844/Carles-Gil-wants-showdown-talks-with-Tim-Sherwood-over-Aston-Villa-future.html)

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Carles Gil wants showdown talks with Tim Sherwood over Aston Villa future

Spanish midfielder and his agent will meet Villa manager next month after dismal start to his Premier League career

By John Percy

7:40AM BST 30 Apr 2015


Carles Gil is poised to hold talks with Tim Sherwood over his future as his move to Aston Villa threatens to turn into a nightmare.

Gil and his representatives are expected to meet Villa next month to discover whether the winger fits into Sherwood’s long-term plans after a difficult two months.

The £3.2 million buy from Valencia was Paul Lambert’s final signing before he was sacked and has played just an hour of football since Sherwood’s appointment in ­February.

His last appearance came as a substitute for the final two minutes of Villa’s FA Cup win against West Bromwich Albion in early March.

Gil was discovered by Paddy Reilly, the director of recruitment, and impressed under Lambert, scoring a stunning goal in the FA Cup victory against Bournemouth in January.

But he has struggled to make the 18-man squad under Sherwood amid suggestions that he lacks the qualities required for a relegation battle.

Sherwood admitted this month that he had “a lot of pretty much icing on the cake players” and it was believed to be a reference to Gil.

The winger, 22, is settled at Villa and determined to fight for his place but is keen to discover if he has a role to play next season.

Sherwood is expected to give all of his fringe players the chance to impress in pre-season, including many of those out on loan.

Gary Gardner has caught Sherwood’s eye during his spell at Not­tingham Forest and will be given an opportunity to stake a claim.

However, Sherwood is thought to have issues with decisions made before his appointment, such as the loaning of Darren Bent to Derby County and the £50,000 sale of the promising youngster Daniel Johnson to Preston North End.

Villa remain two points above the bottom three and face a crucial home game against Everton this weekend.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2015, 02:18:02 PM
That was pretty much expected.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 30, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
Oh dear. Can't say I blame the lad. One of the most exciting signings in recent years and overlooked for Joe Cole.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2015, 02:23:06 PM
In fairness Joe Cole has done well in his cameos. I just hope that Sherwood is being fair on Gil. If Gil isn't performing in training and that's why he's not getting in that's fair enough, but if Sherwood has just decided he doesn't rate him that's not fair.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tom jennings III on April 30, 2015, 02:23:57 PM
From the little I have seen of Gil in the famous Claret & Blue he definitely deserve at least a chance. He was one of the few bright slivers of hope throughout the dark last few months of Lamberts tenure. Would love to see him, Grealish, Sinclair and potentially one other (Zog?) fighting for two places.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on April 30, 2015, 02:56:04 PM
Interesting (if true) that Sherwood didn't like the sale of Johnson. I didn't either. In fact I didn't even realise till March that we'd sold him on. He looks very classy for Preston. Granted it's league 1, but from what I saw of him in two pre-seasons, he had plenty of ability.
Oh well.

I'm glad Gardner will get his chance though.

As for Gil, we shall see. He'll have to up his game in pre-season. He'll probably get a chance in the next four games, as undoubtedly we'll pick up injuries, so he'll have to grab it with both hands.
If you look at Grealish for example. He may be slight but he does put himself about and does work hard. And indeed Delph commented that he and Grealish are last to leave in training. That obviously is another reason why Grealish has pushed ahead of Gil in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: richard moore on April 30, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
Talking to a Preston fan last week who was gushing in his thanks to me about Johnson once I revealed I followed the Villa. It was almost all he talked about
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2015, 03:07:17 PM
Johnson is doing well and i'm surprised he never had a run out here, at the same time he's 23 later this year so a bit old to still be a promising youngster in our reserves.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2015, 06:43:34 PM
Nobody can seriously argue that the attacking side of things hasn't been working under Sherwood, surely?  He's got us playing in a way that suits the squad, and that's surely more important than one individual.  To be honest, I'd have looked half decent in a Paul Lambert side.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on April 30, 2015, 06:56:15 PM
Johnson is doing well and i'm surprised he never had a run out here, at the same time he's 23 later this year so a bit old to still be a promising youngster in our reserves.
I never really heard about Johnson till he was about 20. Maybe his development just came a bit late. I understand perhaps why we cashed in on him, but perhaps if Lambo had a little more faith in a few of our academy players over the last 3 years, rather than blowing money on players like Bowery, we might have seen a few more breaking into the side. The only one Lambo really seemed to break in was Grealish, and even then I think he could have been braver with Jack earlier in the season.

I will be interested to see just what level Johnson tops out at though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
Is Daniel Johnson the one with dreads that runs like a girl? I'm no coach or manager but don't think he'll make it in the Premier League...might find his way to a Championship club. Best of luck to him though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
Is Daniel Johnson the one with dreads that runs like a girl? I'm no coach or manager but don't think he'll make it in the Premier League...might find his way to a Championship club. Best of luck to him though.

He's only got to stay at his present club until August to find himself in the Championship.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2015, 07:36:40 PM
They've got a tricky away trip to high flying Colchester United to win first! ;)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2015, 07:37:00 PM
Is Daniel Johnson the one with dreads that runs like a girl? I'm no coach or manager but don't think he'll make it in the Premier League...might find his way to a Championship club. Best of luck to him though.

He's only got to stay at his present club until August to find himself in the Championship.

That's if they get promoted. A slip up in their last game and it could well be the lottery of the play-offs.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2015, 07:38:54 PM
Nobody can seriously argue that the attacking side of things hasn't been working under Sherwood, surely?  He's got us playing in a way that suits the squad, and that's surely more important than one individual.  To be honest, I'd have looked half decent in a Paul Lambert side.

Indeed, given how we've performed going forward he can't really complain.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2015, 07:41:34 PM
It odes surprise me he's not on the bench more though. If we are behind, or even level and want to go for the win i'd have thought he'd be an option. He's more suited to us being on the front foot and going for it rather than a full 90 mins where we may be under the cosh a fair bit at times.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 30, 2015, 07:44:00 PM
No point in keeping him this summer if he's not going to play. We'll hopefully get our money back.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on April 30, 2015, 07:54:17 PM
If Lambert was still in charge I'd question (but probably expect) Gil to be sidelined but with Sherwood I imagine he's either looking lightweight in training or doesn't think he has the league experience.

 Carles choice if he wants the challenge.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on April 30, 2015, 08:03:52 PM
[/b]As for Gil, we shall see. He'll have to up his game in pre-season. He'll probably get a chance in the next four games, as undoubtedly we'll pick up injuries, so he'll have to grab it with both hands.
If you look at Grealish for example. He may be slight but he does put himself about and does work hard. And indeed Delph commented that he and Grealish are last to leave in training. That obviously is another reason why Grealish has pushed ahead of Gil in the pecking order.
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I think that he looked "slight" at the beginning of the season, but if you look at him now standing next to Cole, Delph and a few others, he is taller and broader than they are. He can more than handle the rough stuff.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on May 10, 2015, 06:53:22 AM
Still think Gil should be at least on the bench. I think he'd look great in this team with his quick feet and passing. Surely he warrants a place ahead of Cole?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on May 10, 2015, 07:06:20 AM
Does seem odd he's been totally frozen out.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: JD on May 10, 2015, 07:08:18 AM
I think next season he will be ahead of Cole. One thing I will say for Cole is that if he can inspire and teach a few things to Grealish and Gil he is worth keeping.   
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 10, 2015, 07:58:02 AM
I think next season he will be ahead of Cole. One thing I will say for Cole is that if he can inspire and teach a few things to Grealish and Gil he is worth keeping.

Fair enough but how much are we paying him? As for Gil I can see him going in the summer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2015, 08:13:51 AM
Based on absolutely nothing, Sherwood may have though that this run of games up to the end of the season was too important to be integrating a new player and therefore has seen it as an opportunity to get Gil used to the club/players/language, indeed work on his core strength, as others mentioned, without the pressure of performing each week.  By the summer he should be speaking with a brummie accent and ready to go.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on May 10, 2015, 08:23:13 AM
Based on absolutely nothing, Sherwood may have though that this run of games up to the end of the season was too important to be integrating a new player and therefore has seen it as an opportunity to get Gil used to the club/players/language, indeed work on his core strength, as others mentioned, without the pressure of performing each week.  By the summer he should be speaking with a brummie accent and ready to go.

It's not the worst theory, and I'm certainly hoping for it. I reckon he'll be very important as security in case Grealish (knock on wood) gets a niggle or goes through some typical young-player growing pains; and to keep CNZ on his toes. If we can get into Europe, he should be very valuable to have there as well.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy65 on May 10, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
Based on absolutely nothing, Sherwood may have though that this run of games up to the end of the season was too important to be integrating a new player and therefore has seen it as an opportunity to get Gil used to the club/players/language, indeed work on his core strength, as others mentioned, without the pressure of performing each week.  By the summer he should be speaking with a brummie accent and ready to go.

It's not the worst theory, and I'm certainly hoping for it. I reckon he'll be very important as security in case Grealish (knock on wood) gets a niggle or goes through some typical young-player growing pains; and to keep CNZ on his toes. If we can get into Europe, he should be very valuable to have there as well.

I think TS doesn't believe Gill can play the high tempo we now have in our midfield. Also having Jack, Charlie and Gil in the midfield is one to many of the same type of player. Should be on the bench though
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on May 10, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
I think Cole is on the bench mostly for experience. He's had a couple of cameos when we've been up in games where he's come on and kept the ball well and just used his many years of experience to help us see out games. I don't think Gil could do that. Pre-season will be key. He'll adapt or he'll go and we'll always be left wondering. It's a shame because he looks immensely talented but for one reason or another he's not been able to break into the side. The Stoke game said a fair bit. He got bullied and retreated into his shell. By contrast you see Jack who's 12 years old and stands up to be counted. He gets knocked from pillar to post but never shies away from the ball or tries to evade a physical challenge. He's also really stepped up and become integral to how we're playing and he's influencing games so Gil has got his work cut out to get in the side. If Grealish gets injured I suspect Gil would get a chance because Cole isn't a 20 minute player.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2015, 12:46:46 PM
I think Cole is on the bench mostly for experience. He's had a couple of cameos when we've been up in games where he's come on and kept the ball well and just used his many years of experience to help us see out games. I don't think Gil could do that. Pre-season will be key. He'll adapt or he'll go and we'll always be left wondering. It's a shame because he looks immensely talented but for one reason or another he's not been able to break into the side. The Stoke game said a fair bit. He got bullied and retreated into his shell. By contrast you see Jack who's 12 years old and stands up to be counted. He gets knocked from pillar to post but never shies away from the ball or tries to evade a physical challenge. He's also really stepped up and become integral to how we're playing and he's influencing games so Gil has got his work cut out to get in the side. If Grealish gets injured I suspect Gil would get a chance because Cole isn't a 20 minute player.

I know it's a mistake but you're probably right, he's blowing after ten.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2015, 01:24:21 PM
Based on absolutely nothing, Sherwood may have though that this run of games up to the end of the season was too important to be integrating a new player and therefore has seen it as an opportunity to get Gil used to the club/players/language, indeed work on his core strength, as others mentioned, without the pressure of performing each week.  By the summer he should be speaking with a brummie accent and ready to go.

It's not the worst theory, and I'm certainly hoping for it. I reckon he'll be very important as security in case Grealish (knock on wood) gets a niggle or goes through some typical young-player growing pains; and to keep CNZ on his toes. If we can get into Europe, he should be very valuable to have there as well.

I think TS doesn't believe Gill can play the high tempo we now have in our midfield. Also having Jack, Charlie and Gil in the midfield is one to many of the same type of player. Should be on the bench though

Think there might be something in that.  Grealish works hard when we don't have the ball and I just wonder whether Sherwood feels that Gil would not offer that.   
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: GarTomas on May 10, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Cole is also unofficially mentoring Grealish so it makes sense that's he's involved more.

Gil I think will either move come back in pre season and integrate or go back to Spain. Maybe on loan?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on May 10, 2015, 03:04:43 PM
The one disappointment of Sherwood's tenure so far has been Carles Gil. The Spaniard is very popular with the supporters and you would hope that he would force his way back into the reckoning, perhaps off the subs bench. Yet the manager prefers Joe Cole which seems surprising.

I hope he doesn't let Carles go in the summer. Perhaps he needs time to adjust, he certainly has the skill factor required.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Diablo on May 21, 2015, 01:03:24 PM
I hope Carles gets a game against Burnley (fingers crossed he starts ahead of Jack so that Jack is fresh and injury free for Wembley). I really hope he has a great future at the club. If I was Carles I'd be feeling pretty down in the dumps and it would be a nice bit of man management for him to have a bit of a lift before next season. I miss the little fella.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: warleyboy on May 21, 2015, 01:37:31 PM
I hope Carles gets a game against Burnley (fingers crossed he starts ahead of Jack so that Jack is fresh and injury free for Wembley). I really hope he has a great future at the club. If I was Carles I'd be feeling pretty down in the dumps and it would be a nice bit of man management for him to have a bit of a lift before next season. I miss the little fella.

Here here
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tom jennings III on May 21, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on May 24, 2015, 07:24:26 PM
Injured according to Sherwood.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 07:25:53 PM
Thanks for the goal Carles. Good luck back in Spain.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on May 24, 2015, 09:19:12 PM
Injured according to Sherwood.

Where's he said that?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OzVilla on May 24, 2015, 09:21:41 PM
Hope he gets a move away if we're not going to give him a chance. He's just wasting his time here. Missed opportunity all round.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on May 24, 2015, 09:26:49 PM
Injured according to Sherwood.

Where's he said that?

I'd have to check but it was on newsnow. Also said Lowton and senderos were just not selected.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on May 24, 2015, 09:31:20 PM
It was express & star but I can't do link on iPad yet!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on May 24, 2015, 09:36:26 PM
Carlos Gil injured said Sherwood. Pity he cant even remember his name!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2015, 07:23:18 PM
Re-reading this thread from page 35, Delph says what a great trainer Gil is, works hard, seems genuinely very excited about the signing but never got a look in after the Stoke game. Was he injured and can anybody confirm that he's one of the players Sherwood wants rid of?

Seems really stupid if it is the case.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frank black on June 04, 2015, 08:15:54 PM
Carlos Gil injured said Sherwood. Pity he cant even remember his name!

Is he the next Joe kinnear ?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: CT on June 04, 2015, 09:04:59 PM
To be fair to JK, Charles Insomnia was pretty accurate. I struggle to sleep after watching him play.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 04, 2015, 10:22:15 PM
Even Sherwood said in the early weeks there was no problem with Gil training.

I can only conclude he started playing up when Lambert left and Sherwood just never took to him. Such a waste though, him and Grealish behind a main striker would be great to watch and what we need to win home games on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2015, 10:26:56 PM
I wouldn't worry about Gil being sidelined. The way this club has been run in recent years, he'll probably be assistant manager by christmas.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on June 04, 2015, 10:30:48 PM
To be fair to JK, Charles Insomnia was pretty accurate. I struggle to sleep after watching him play.

He's put me to sleep at times.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 05, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
I wouldn't worry about Gil being sidelined. The way this club has been run in recent years, he'll probably be assistant manager by christmas.

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ACVilla on June 05, 2015, 08:55:30 AM
Re-reading this thread from page 35, Delph says what a great trainer Gil is, works hard, seems genuinely very excited about the signing but never got a look in after the Stoke game. Was he injured and can anybody confirm that he's one of the players Sherwood wants rid of?

Seems really stupid if it is the case.
Yes, he has been told to find another club.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2015, 08:38:51 PM
Re-reading this thread from page 35, Delph says what a great trainer Gil is, works hard, seems genuinely very excited about the signing but never got a look in after the Stoke game. Was he injured and can anybody confirm that he's one of the players Sherwood wants rid of?

Seems really stupid if it is the case.
Yes, he has been told to find another club.

Where did you hear that from? I haven'y seen anything to say Gil has been told to do one. If true, my estimation of Sherwood will drop a few notches. Is he so in love with Grealish (and nurturing his reputation for playing young English players) that he's going to get rid of any competition? I hope he's not so stupid as young Jack, as good as he is, will most certainly have a phase where he needs a rest or loses form or god forbid, gets injured.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villadelph on June 05, 2015, 09:24:55 PM
Re-reading this thread from page 35, Delph says what a great trainer Gil is, works hard, seems genuinely very excited about the signing but never got a look in after the Stoke game. Was he injured and can anybody confirm that he's one of the players Sherwood wants rid of?

Seems really stupid if it is the case.
Yes, he has been told to find another club.

Haven't heard anything of the sort..
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2015, 10:48:47 PM
Everyone assumes from his lack of involvement that Sherwood doesn't rate him. Having seen his performance in the Stoke game, he might just have felt that he couldn't afford to let someone accumulate to the Premier League at a time when we were fighting for our lives. He was getting knocked off the ball so easily against Stoke that it's a valid point.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 05, 2015, 10:54:34 PM
IIRC, Sherwood did make some comment about being able to build a team now, around some of the players who haven't had much of a chance under him so far. Hopefully this applies to Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ROBBO on June 05, 2015, 11:11:45 PM
The Stoke game really pinpinted his weakness, he is probably the most skilfull player at the club but he has to be able to cope with aggressive defenders.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: BC54 VFC on June 05, 2015, 11:35:26 PM
Everyone assumes from his lack of involvement that Sherwood doesn't rate him. Having seen his performance in the Stoke game, he might just have felt that he couldn't afford to let someone accumulate to the Premier League at a time when we were fighting for our lives. He was getting knocked off the ball so easily against Stoke that it's a valid point.

Or even acclimatise. ;)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: myf on June 05, 2015, 11:37:08 PM
The Stoke game really pinpinted his weakness, he is probably the most skilfull player at the club but he has to be able to cope with aggressive defenders.

Horses for courses. He played very well against Chelsea.  Gave their left back a torrid time and was banging the crosses in
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2015, 11:53:07 PM
The Stoke game really pinpinted his weakness, he is probably the most skilfull player at the club but he has to be able to cope with aggressive defenders.

Yet Ron Vlaar continued to get selected despite playing like somebody that was being blackmailed by a Malaysian syndicate.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2015, 11:57:49 PM
Personally i think those that are saying he might get a chance now are dreaming and live in a world of pure hope. If he rated him he would have played. It is that simple for me. No 'he was weak against stoke so wouldn't be able to cope with the battle', bollocks, he just doesn't rate him. And in my opinion he's very wrong. I just can't accept persisting with N'Zogbia yet not giving Gil another chance. It just doesn't sit well with me. Even if he came on again and looked terrible, atleast he would have had a further opportunity to prove/disprove. What on earth was N'Zogbia doing 95% of the time?
And d'you know what, some players don't bust a bollock in training but still do it on match day. Not everyone has Milner's ethics. Is he available by the way?

P.S. i understand there is no basis that the reason he is being left out is due to a lack of effort. Pure speculation that he may not be the sort to give 110% in training.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2015, 01:02:25 AM
Personally i think those that are saying he might get a chance now are dreaming and live in a world of pure hope. If he rated him he would have played. It is that simple for me. No 'he was weak against stoke so wouldn't be able to cope with the battle', bollocks, he just doesn't rate him. And in my opinion he's very wrong. I just can't accept persisting with N'Zogbia yet not giving Gil another chance. It just doesn't sit well with me. Even if he came on again and looked terrible, atleast he would have had a further opportunity to prove/disprove. What on earth was N'Zogbia doing 95% of the time?
And d'you know what, some players don't bust a bollock in training but still do it on match day. Not everyone has Milner's ethics. Is he available by the way?

P.S. i understand there is no basis that the reason he is being left out is due to a lack of effort. Pure speculation that he may not be the sort to give 110% in training.
I agree with this, playing Nzogbia and not giving Gill a chance was either stupid or pig headed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 06, 2015, 08:03:37 AM
someone on talksport yesterday reckoned that celta vigo want him on a permanent deal
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on June 06, 2015, 09:03:11 AM
Its a crying shame that the talented Carles does'nt have, in some way, a Spurs connection. Then our manager would be lauding him up to the heavens!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 06, 2015, 09:55:53 AM
i dont understand why sherwood persisted with the crock of shit nzogbia and gil couldnt even make the bench
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave shelley on June 06, 2015, 10:01:46 AM
i dont understand why sherwood persisted with the crock of shit nzogbia and gil couldnt even make the bench

I don't think many of us do.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on June 06, 2015, 10:03:28 AM
The Stoke game really pinpinted his weakness, he is probably the most skilfull player at the club but he has to be able to cope with aggressive defenders.

At only 22 this can easily be worked on. Look at Mata and David Silva, very small players, yet their skill shines through. I'll be fuming if Gil is discarded.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2015, 10:06:34 AM
Sometimes it doesn't work out. Perhaps he is struggling to settle? It's happened before with young players who can't speak the language.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on June 06, 2015, 11:00:29 AM
I don't think it's a case of him not working hard enough in training. I think Delph mentioned Carles works hard in training, but I imagine the nature of our training has perhaps made it hard for Carles to shine through. Sherwood likes us to approach the training with the intensity of match day. He's probably been getting knocked from pillar to post and struggled a bit, and then of course there is the language issue.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SX150 on June 06, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Gil needs to be given a chance, obvious talent so build on it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
Everyone assumes from his lack of involvement that Sherwood doesn't rate him. Having seen his performance in the Stoke game, he might just have felt that he couldn't afford to let someone accumulate to the Premier League at a time when we were fighting for our lives. He was getting knocked off the ball so easily against Stoke that it's a valid point.

Or even acclimatise. ;)

That would have worked better.

I was only proposing an alternative theory. The counter argument that Sherwood might just not rate him is the more obvious one and would prove to be the case if he's sold on. It would be a shame if that was the case.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on June 06, 2015, 02:47:40 PM
Sometimes it doesn't work out. Perhaps he is struggling to settle? It's happened before with young players who can't speak the language.
Could be that.Look at Jose Reyes.He could score goals had plenty of skill and pace but he could not master the language or settle in England.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 06, 2015, 03:17:57 PM
Sometimes it doesn't work out. Perhaps he is struggling to settle? It's happened before with young players who can't speak the language.
Could be that.Look at Jose Reyes.He could score goals had plenty of skill and pace but he could not master the language or settle in England.

He has Sanchez to look after him, the best the club can offer to help him settle, he looked well up to pace in training sessions I've seen and happy enough apart from not getting a sniff come matchday. He's a few months into a four year contract, I really hope Sherwood gives him a chance next season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: CT Villan on June 06, 2015, 06:21:36 PM
someone on talksport yesterday reckoned that celta vigo want him on a permanent deal
Then let's swap him for Orellana :)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ACVilla on June 06, 2015, 07:33:55 PM
You wouldn't have as its not common knowledge. From as source I trust implicitly.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Sometimes it doesn't work out. Perhaps he is struggling to settle? It's happened before with young players who can't speak the language.
He seemed to be doing alright when he first arrived, until he was just taken out of the squad for seemingly no reason.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2015, 07:42:29 PM
The only logical explanation is that he had said something about Sherwoods mother.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2015, 08:08:25 PM
I won't be surprised if we do bin him, Villa Park is no place for these fancy dan foreigners and their jinking runs, exciting play and top class goals.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on June 06, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
I won't be surprised if we do bin him, Villa Park is no place for these fancy dan foreigners and their jinking runs, exciting play and top class goals.
Agree, they start wearing gloves in mid - September and come dec jan feb are virtually in hibernation.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 06, 2015, 09:02:09 PM
If he is offski, wasn't there some by back clause where Valencia got first refusal at some ridiculous fee in comparison to what we paid?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 03:30:05 PM
Did anyone else hear on the radio Gil linked with a £3m move to Celta. Would be a shame to see him go so early, I feel we've missed a trick here.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on June 09, 2015, 03:58:47 PM
To get bombed out of this villa midfield takes some doing
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Boz on June 09, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
Sometimes it doesn't work out. Perhaps he is struggling to settle? It's happened before with young players who can't speak the language.
Could be that.Look at Jose Reyes.He could score goals had plenty of skill and pace but he could not master the language or settle in England.

He has Sanchez to look after him, the best the club can offer to help him settle, he looked well up to pace in training sessions I've seen and happy enough apart from not getting a sniff come matchday. He's a few months into a four year contract, I really hope Sherwood gives him a chance next season.

I recall the problems JPA had initially settling at B6 as the club were totally lacking any support for him to settle in. I hope this is not the case with Gil as Sanchez is hardly a long time at VP yet to be the best person to support him other than speaking the same language.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2015, 10:17:40 PM
Sometimes it doesn't work out. Perhaps he is struggling to settle? It's happened before with young players who can't speak the language.
Could be that.Look at Jose Reyes.He could score goals had plenty of skill and pace but he could not master the language or settle in England.

He has Sanchez to look after him, the best the club can offer to help him settle, he looked well up to pace in training sessions I've seen and happy enough apart from not getting a sniff come matchday. He's a few months into a four year contract, I really hope Sherwood gives him a chance next season.

I recall the problems JPA had initially settling at B6 as the club were totally lacking any support for him to settle in. I hope this is not the case with Gil as Sanchez is hardly a long time at VP yet to be the best person to support him other than speaking the same language.


It's a different time, in a different era, and in any case Angel's 'problems' and the supposed lack of support were far removed from the reality.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Pete on June 09, 2015, 11:49:04 PM
Sometimes it doesn't work out. Perhaps he is struggling to settle? It's happened before with young players who can't speak the language.
Could be that.Look at Jose Reyes.He could score goals had plenty of skill and pace but he could not master the language or settle in England.

He has Sanchez to look after him, the best the club can offer to help him settle, he looked well up to pace in training sessions I've seen and happy enough apart from not getting a sniff come matchday. He's a few months into a four year contract, I really hope Sherwood gives him a chance next season.

I recall the problems JPA had initially settling at B6 as the club were totally lacking any support for him to settle in. I hope this is not the case with Gil as Sanchez is hardly a long time at VP yet to be the best person to support him other than speaking the same language.


It's a different time, in a different era, and in any case Angel's 'problems' and the supposed lack of support were far removed from the reality.

Wasn't one of his kids very ill? Or his wife? That's enough to affect anyone's performance at work
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2015, 11:54:37 PM

Wasn't one of his kids very ill? Or his wife? That's enough to affect anyone's performance at work

His wife had a bit of a rough time while she was pregnant but 'sources' said that the problem was that he expected 24 hour attention and you just don't get that at Villa.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2015, 02:49:50 AM
Why is it so difficult to accept that Sherwood has shit for brains? 99% loved MON and he was probabably the coach that least understood anything about football.

Let's be honest, we don't give a shit about the (toxic) product, providing we are Top 6, no matter how ugly.

We love to be fed shit. 150m whatever..

Bring back MON, he was our saviour..

Fickle? Try head in the sand..
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2015, 04:31:19 AM
Say no to drugs kids.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Trinitymiddle on June 10, 2015, 04:35:06 AM
Have it from a good source that his attitude is all wrong. Not a team player off the pitch at all. Sherwood clocked it and bombed him out. The stories I have heard, you wouldn't want him around a squad that needed to pull together, as we did at the end of last season.

You have to trust Sherwood that if he'd rather play The Zog than give Gil a chance, it must be pretty bad.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2015, 04:41:54 AM
Say no to drugs kids.


Excuse me if I call it as I see it. Sherwood is (a) shortsighted (twat) if  he can't seee the talent of Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Californian Villain on June 10, 2015, 05:23:10 AM
Have it from a good source that his attitude is all wrong. Not a team player off the pitch at all. Sherwood clocked it and bombed him out. The stories I have heard, you wouldn't want him around a squad that needed to pull together, as we did at the end of last season.

You have to trust Sherwood that if he'd rather play The Zog than give Gil a chance, it must be pretty bad.

LOL, that says it all.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 06:51:54 AM
Say no to drugs kids.


Excuse me if I call it as I see it. Sherwood is (a) shortsighted (twat) if  he can't seee the talent of Gil.

Perhaps he prefers Grealish. It's his neck on the block.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2015, 08:21:45 AM
Say no to drugs kids.


Excuse me if I call it as I see it. Sherwood is (a) shortsighted (twat) if  he can't seee the talent of Gil.

That's a bit strong. Gil looked like he had some talent, but given how Sherwood turned us around and what he did with Grealish I think you're going well over the top.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 08:23:30 AM
Say no to drugs kids.


Excuse me if I call it as I see it. Sherwood is (a) shortsighted (twat) if  he can't seee the talent of Gil.

Perhaps he prefers Grealish. It's his neck on the block.
Given his end of season form I don't think too many could disagree with that.

It's the whole 'being behind N'Zogbia, Cole and Weimann' bit that I take issue with.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Boz on June 10, 2015, 08:54:50 AM

Wasn't one of his kids very ill? Or his wife? That's enough to affect anyone's performance at work

His wife had a bit of a rough time while she was pregnant but 'sources' said that the problem was that he expected 24 hour attention and you just don't get that at Villa.

Certainly not under Ellis.

I imagine it would have been different under Lerner, who for all his shortcomings seems a caring and sympathetic person who would also want to support an expensive asset.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2015, 09:22:53 AM
Say no to drugs kids.


Excuse me if I call it as I see it. Sherwood is (a) shortsighted (twat) if  he can't seee the talent of Gil.

Perhaps he prefers Grealish. It's his neck on the block.
and/or n'Zogbia. Which, is worrying.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 09:31:31 AM
N'Zogbia is a different player to both of them.

I understand Cole for Grealish, as I anticipate he's a good influence. Weimann's days are numbered, as I would imagine N'Zogbia's would be if we could find a buyer.

There have been five names mentioned; Gil, Grealish, N'Zogbia, Weimann and Cole. If any of them other than Grealish are still here as we kick off in August 2016, I'd be shocked.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 10:11:51 AM
I fully agree with your final sentence, I can't see any of those other four being here. But based on what he's shown so far, I'd much rather we were kicking off in August 2016 with both Grealish and Gil rather than pushing him out of the club for seemingly no reason.

As for N'Zogbia being a different player, I quite agree - he's far inferior. Even his brief upturn in form under Sherwood wasn't as good as Gil showed at times under Lambert. In the final few games, we might as well have been playing with ten men.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 10:28:41 AM
I'm not arguing that N'Zogbia has been anything other than a huge let down, but he's a more direct sort of player than Gil.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: AVFC Tom on June 10, 2015, 10:30:36 AM
Gil should have been on the bench in the cup final. We needed exciting players who could cause Arsenal problems. Not players like Carlos Sanchez.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on June 10, 2015, 10:41:11 AM
I fully agree with your final sentence, I can't see any of those other four being here. But based on what he's shown so far, I'd much rather we were kicking off in August 2016 with both Grealish and Gil rather than pushing him out of the club for seemingly no reason.

As for N'Zogbia being a different player, I quite agree - he's far inferior. Even his brief upturn in form under Sherwood wasn't as good as Gil showed at times under Lambert. In the final few games, we might as well have been playing with ten men.

I could see Cole coming back to do the mentoring role thing which he's allegedly been participating in, while making sub appearances and playing the odd cup game
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on June 10, 2015, 10:47:29 AM
Sherwood isn't necessarily a total numnuts, but he does seem quite impulsive and therefore might be prone to taking irrational lines on a few things. By all accounts he did some odd things at Spurs, and the bias against Gil might just be something like that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 10:47:39 AM
I'm not arguing that N'Zogbia has been anything other than a huge let down, but he's a more direct sort of player than Gil.

It's all just conjecture obviously, but I'm pretty sure that if Sherwood said to Gil "see that big bloke up there? if you get the ball anywhere around their box, cross it towards him" then he would probably have been able to adapt to that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 10:55:56 AM
Some of the posts on here are a bit odd.  I agree Gil did have something about him and has a lot of potential but this idea that if Sherwood doesn't play him he has shit for brains or goes down in people's estimation is a massive over-reaction. There's plenty of reasons why things just don't work out for certain players at certain clubs it doesn't automatically mean the manager should be blamed for it.

Let's see how he builds the squad over the summer before slagging him off over his treatment of Gil.

Personally I think it's down to a lack of core strength, I think he just felt Gil was too weak for this league after the Stoke game, he'd been involved until then and just disappeared after nzonzi made him look like a mascot who'd stayed on the pitch.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 10:57:03 AM
Sometimes managers don’t fancy players, even good managers and good players.

It is odd that he saw him play for him once, and ok, he was poor and bullied into anonymity, but you’d think he’d have got another chance. I know Sherwood watched all our previous games, so perhaps he saw how poor he was against Hull, then in the subsequent game against Stoke and thought he needed a dramatic change?

We were a lot better at Newcastle and then he struck on a formula that served us pretty well. There was only the [expected] defeat at Old Trafford and the loss against Swansea where we were disappointing, and even in those games we created plenty up until they switched off post-West Ham when safety was all but secured.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 11:20:13 AM
Personally I think it's down to a lack of core strength, I think he just felt Gil was too weak for this league after the Stoke game, he'd been involved until then and just disappeared after nzonzi made him look like a mascot who'd stayed on the pitch.
Well personally I would think less of him if that's the reason.

Because he didn't have the physical beating of a 6ft 4 defensive midfielder then he's never going to feature again?

N'Zonzi completely nullified Coutinho in the final match of the season, if Sherwood were Liverpool manager would he never play Coutinho again because on the evidence of one match against Stoke he's "too weak for this league"?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 11:47:37 AM
Its not one match though, its every game Gil has played for us that Sherwood has seen, limited as it is and then everyday in training under the watch of him and four or five coaches.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 11:48:44 AM
Personally I think it's down to a lack of core strength, I think he just felt Gil was too weak for this league after the Stoke game, he'd been involved until then and just disappeared after nzonzi made him look like a mascot who'd stayed on the pitch.
Well personally I would think less of him if that's the reason.

Because he didn't have the physical beating of a 6ft 4 defensive midfielder then he's never going to feature again?

N'Zonzi completely nullified Coutinho in the final match of the season, if Sherwood were Liverpool manager would he never play Coutinho again because on the evidence of one match against Stoke he's "too weak for this league"?

Well no, because there's probably more to it.  Too weak for the league is a perfectly legitimate reason to sell someone, just like being too slow for the league is, we all know the English league is more physical than most, it's obvious as soon as you spend time watching any other leagues.  There's a balancing act between technique and physique that has to be found but players from abroad do need to adapt, it's no great stretch to speculate (which is all we can do) that Sherwood explained this to Gil and didn't like the reaction or didn't feel that Gil would be capable of making the transition.

I just think this is much more likely than any other explanation I've seen given.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
Its not one match though, its every game Gil has played for us that Sherwood has seen, limited as it is and then everyday in training under the watch of him and four or five coaches.
He'd have also seen things like the Bournemouth game and the smashing cross he put in for Okore's goal against Chelsea then.

Whereas for N'Zogbia and Cole he'll have seen... and this is where it falls down a bit. Unless of course they are astonishing in training and then forget how to play football when a match starts.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: MalcolmP on June 10, 2015, 12:14:28 PM
What utter crap re physique - Gil is no less physical than Jack Grealish who really is lightweight and he draws lots of fouls which lead to opportunities - who else could have scored a goal like Gil against Bournemouth?  Gabby? ha ha ha ha no chance!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
There have been far more talented players than Gil, playing for much better teams than Villa who haven't made it in the Premier League.  In any case, he hasn't gone anywhere yet and may not do so. Sherwood had us playing very well for the most part and possibly thought that Gil wasn't ready for a hard relegation scrap.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 12:15:34 PM
N'Zogbia wasn't awful in the run in by any means. He doesn't contribute anywhere near enough though, which is the problem.

I also don't see an issue with bringing on Cole in the semi for example, for Grealish, when Cole is one of the few to actually have a medal in his top drawer. Experience to see it out was what we needed, rather than somebody with a handful of games in this league.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2015, 12:27:23 PM
There's also the oft overlooked fact that Gil picked up an injury.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 10, 2015, 12:37:38 PM
What utter crap re physique - Gil is no less physical than Jack Grealish who really is lightweight and he draws lots of fouls which lead to opportunities - who else could have scored a goal like Gil against Bournemouth?  Gabby? ha ha ha ha no chance!

Exactly. Our academy graduate gets compared to Messi, whereas the foreigner is too weak for this league. That's English football fans for you ::)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 12:47:36 PM
There have been far more talented players than Gil, playing for much better teams than Villa who haven't made it in the Premier League.  In any case, he hasn't gone anywhere yet and may not do so. Sherwood had us playing very well for the most part and possibly thought that Gil wasn't ready for a hard relegation scrap.

I think that's a valid point. We have no idea if he wants to get rid of him or not. As you say, he may not have been mentally prepared to tough it out in a relegation scrap, while a better balance was found in the midfield for the most part that didn't need to be changed.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2015, 01:02:32 PM
I am sorry but as much as I like the way Sherwood has gone about his work, 2-3 of his decisions have been totally bonkers. The dropping of Lowton from left back when performing well just made no sense, the casting aside of Gil and the decision to drop Guzan for Given, and not see the effect that has on our back 4.

Hopefully with his own signings, then these issues can be resolved in time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 01:05:46 PM
I also don't see an issue with bringing on Cole in the semi for example, for Grealish, when Cole is one of the few to actually have a medal in his top drawer. Experience to see it out was what we needed, rather than somebody with a handful of games in this league.

And how about in say, a dead rubber against Burnley when they are likely to pack the defence and we might have to rely on a bit of ingenuity?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 01:12:45 PM
He didn't rotate massively ahead of the final.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Somniloquism on June 10, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
Sherwood had us playing very well for the most part and possibly thought that Gil wasn't ready for a hard relegation scrap.

Might as well sell him now then as he won't be appearing next season either.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2015, 01:14:27 PM
I liked a lot of what Sherwood did but even if he didn't think Gil wasn't up to a relegation battle, there was no reason to eliminate him completely. Unless something none of us know happened between them behind the scenes it was a dumb decision. And especially in the last game. I don't buy the he was a Lambert signing etc because almost all of them were, and he played him against Stoke and the end of the Albion game until he disappeared.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 01:16:48 PM
I don't think he will be sold in the next 40 days. After that, it depends how much money Sherwood has available and whether another £3 million would be useful.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
I think we should sack Sherwood immediatley and engage a coach prepared to build a team around Carles!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 10, 2015, 01:45:01 PM
Sometimes managers don’t fancy players, even good managers and good players.


It happens.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2015, 01:53:08 PM
And ultimately, we don't know what goes on down Bodymoor Heath every day. There may well be a legitimate reason Gil didn't feature that we don't have a clue about.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
What utter crap re physique - Gil is no less physical than Jack Grealish who really is lightweight and he draws lots of fouls which lead to opportunities - who else could have scored a goal like Gil against Bournemouth?  Gabby? ha ha ha ha no chance!

Exactly. Our academy graduate gets compared to Messi, whereas the foreigner is too weak for this league. That's English football fans for you ::)

Gil vs Grealish, if you can't see the difference in their response to being kicked then I don't know what to tell you, 1 encourages it and actually grows into the game after a couple of niggles the other became utterly anonymous both times it happened to him.

This is nothing to do with being foreign, it's to do with having the mentality to go out knowing you're going to get kicked and embracing it as part of the game.  Grealish has grown up with it and had a very tough year out on loan where he kicked by some right cloggers.  To me Gil hasn't been through that and didn't know what to do about it.

The goal against Bournemouth was fantastic, no one denies that but if teams learn that giving him a kick or 2 in the first 10minutes puts him in his shell that's what everyone will do to him.  Can you honestly imagine Gil playing Alex Song into a yellow card like Grealish did, encouraging him to leave a boot in so that he got booked and had to back off?

I like Gil and I think if he can get used to the league he can be a very good player but if Sherwood has seen enough to decide that's not going to happen then I'm willing to accept it rather than assuming that Sherwood is an idiot who knows nothing about attacking players, which some on here seem to believe.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: CT Villan on June 10, 2015, 02:06:01 PM
I wonder if Gil was one of the players Sherwood was referring to when he said “I think I need to start improving a few more and also finding different ways to play which suits some of the boys who haven’t played today.”
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 02:14:44 PM
Can you honestly imagine Gil playing Alex Song into a yellow card like Grealish did, encouraging him to leave a boot in so that he got booked and had to back off?

I'd just quite like the opportunity to find out, rather than persevering with a bunch of players who have shown less than him instead.

I like Gil and I think if he can get used to the league he can be a very good player but if Sherwood has seen enough to decide that's not going to happen then I'm willing to accept it rather than assuming that Sherwood is an idiot who knows nothing about attacking players, which some on here seem to believe.

I like Cahill and I think if he can get used to the league he can be a very good player but if O'Neill has seen enough to decide that's not going to happen then I'm willing to accept it rather than assuming that O'Neill is an idiot who knows nothing about defensive players, which some on here seem to believe.

I agree that sometimes managers just don't fancy players. But sometimes managers get it wrong.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on June 10, 2015, 02:20:36 PM
Wonder if he's cost more than £27,000 a touch so far
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 02:54:04 PM
Can you honestly imagine Gil playing Alex Song into a yellow card like Grealish did, encouraging him to leave a boot in so that he got booked and had to back off?

I'd just quite like the opportunity to find out, rather than persevering with a bunch of players who have shown less than him instead.

I like Gil and I think if he can get used to the league he can be a very good player but if Sherwood has seen enough to decide that's not going to happen then I'm willing to accept it rather than assuming that Sherwood is an idiot who knows nothing about attacking players, which some on here seem to believe.

I like Cahill and I think if he can get used to the league he can be a very good player but if O'Neill has seen enough to decide that's not going to happen then I'm willing to accept it rather than assuming that O'Neill is an idiot who knows nothing about defensive players, which some on here seem to believe.

I agree that sometimes managers just don't fancy players. But sometimes managers get it wrong.

And more often managers get it right.

Cahill is also a bad example because we'd seen enough of him to know that he had it in him to be a premier league player long term, Gil we're going by glimpses of quality amidst some clear issues so it's a lot less certain.  Jean Makoun is a closer example and I don't recall seeing this level of shit being thrown at the manager then.  Makoun similarly had a couple of good performances and a shocker or 2.

I just wonder if Sherwood coming in during the season means he doesn't get the 'clean slate' other managers have had despite him keeping us up when a lot of fans had given up.  3 wins in the next 4 games after he dropped him suggests he deserves the benefit of the doubt that whatever he wanted the team to provide worked better without Gil.  I agree he could've had a look in against Burnley but for me by that point Sherwood had earned some trust over his decisions.  Of everything said the only 1 I genuinely disagree with was dropping Guzan, I think that made us look a lot weaker at the back at the end of the season, but I understand why he did it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 03:05:10 PM
Cahill is also a bad example because we'd seen enough of him to know that he had it in him to be a premier league player long term
I disagree, I think it's a very good example of why one shouldn't just accept that the manager's opinion of a player is automatically the correct one.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chris Smith on June 10, 2015, 03:12:13 PM
Cahill wanted first team football but was not ready for the level we were then at hence why he went to Bolton for a few years of relegation battles. Ideally we could have kept him to develop here but clearly he did not think it was in his interests to wait around.

I like Gil but I like Grealish more and I don't think we can afford to play them both at the same time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2015, 03:26:19 PM
Cahill wanted first team football but was not ready for the level we were then at hence why he went to Bolton for a few years of relegation battles. Ideally we could have kept him to develop here but clearly he did not think it was in his interests to wait around.


If Gaz wasn't ready, I'm not sure Zat was, a player who kept him out but with much less potential. O'Neill messed-up and most of us thought so at the time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 04:27:14 PM
Cahill is also a bad example because we'd seen enough of him to know that he had it in him to be a premier league player long term
I disagree, I think it's a very good example of why one shouldn't just accept that the manager's opinion of a player is automatically the correct one.

but that's not what I'm suggesting, what I'm suggesting is that Sherwood deserves the benefit of the doubt, rather than being accused of having shit for brains for not selecting 1 player.  There are more than enough potential reasons to explain it.  As I said, the situation with Cahill was very different, the only genuinely similar situation we've seen recently was Makoun and in that AM got a lot less stick despite having almost no credit in the bank to suggest that he might be right, performances and results largely vindicated Sherwood's selection decisions until the last 3 games and there's no chance he was going to tinker for 2 of those so the only game where you can genuinely question the decision to not take another look at gil is the Burnley match.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2015, 04:55:14 PM
What I'm suggesting is that Sherwood deserves the benefit of the doubt, rather than being accused of having shit for brains for not selecting 1 player.
I wouldn't personally choose to phrase it in those terms either.

But I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to suggest that it would have been nice if he had been given more of an opportunity and that it would be a shame if he is never given a chance to build on what was a very promising start to his time with us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2015, 05:12:20 PM
I like Gil but I like Grealish more and I don't think we can afford to play them both at the same time.

I like Kozak but I like Benteke more and I don't think we can afford to only keep one of them.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chris Smith on June 10, 2015, 05:33:54 PM
I like Gil but I like Grealish more and I don't think we can afford to play them both at the same time.

I like Kozak but I like Benteke more and I don't think we can afford to only keep one of them.

In an ideal world, but we all know that there are limits on player numbers and on the wage bill and I am sure the manager will want to sign his own players. I hope a way is found but there is more to it that thinking Gil looked useful in a handful of games (and let's be honest that is all it was) so we must keep him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 10, 2015, 05:39:01 PM
Sherwood has made a mistake here. Why can't people admit instead of making excuses for him?

Too weak? He played Grealish.
Not right for a relegation battle? Was involved in one with Elche.
Doesn't do it in training? Points aren't won in training sessions.
Manager just doesn't fancy him? He regularly plays Joe Cole and N'Zogbia, I'd be worried about his judgment.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
I like Gil but I like Grealish more and I don't think we can afford to play them both at the same time.

I like Kozak but I like Benteke more and I don't think we can afford to only keep one of them.

In an ideal world, but we all know that there are limits on player numbers and on the wage bill and I am sure the manager will want to sign his own players. I hope a way is found but there is more to it that thinking Gil looked useful in a handful of games (and let's be honest that is all it was) so we must keep him.

Useful? PeterWithesShin wanted to marry him! You make a valid point though about budget. Until be can get rid of deadwood like N'Zogbia who probably earns more than the combined salaries of Grealish and Gil, we will struggle to keep genuinely talented players at the club.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2015, 05:56:00 PM
Cahill wanted first team football but was not ready for the level we were then at hence why he went to Bolton for a few years of relegation battles. Ideally we could have kept him to develop here but clearly he did not think it was in his interests to wait around.


If Gaz wasn't ready, I'm not sure Zat was, a player who kept him out but with much less potential. O'Neill messed-up and most of us thought so at the time.

Not to mention Curtis Davies, a worse player who we spent £10m on.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2015, 05:57:23 PM
I also don't see an issue with bringing on Cole in the semi for example, for Grealish, when Cole is one of the few to actually have a medal in his top drawer. Experience to see it out was what we needed, rather than somebody with a handful of games in this league.

And how about in say, a dead rubber against Burnley when they are likely to pack the defence and we might have to rely on a bit of ingenuity?

Gil was injured so don't think that was really an option.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 08:26:03 PM
Sherwood has made a mistake here. Why can't people admit instead of making excuses for him?

Too weak? He played Grealish.
Not right for a relegation battle? Was involved in one with Elche.
Doesn't do it in training? Points aren't won in training sessions.
Manager just doesn't fancy him? He regularly plays Joe Cole and N'Zogbia, I'd be worried about his judgment.

Why can't you understand that you not agreeing with a decision doesn't make it a mistake?

As said stop comparing him to Grealish in terms of physical suitability if a rubbish comparison, Grealish isn't strong but he knows how to handle a kick, the evidence was that Gil hasn't picked that up yet.
Experience of a relegation battle, I never said anything about that, I did comment on experience in English football though, which he didn't get playing for Elche.
Points aren't won in training sessions but places in the team are.
Sherwood's judgement got us the points we needed to stay up, given that his judgement so far has proven to be good enough.

The worst thing is, I like Gil, I want to see more of him so this argument means I'm taking a position I don't particularly hold but I just can't get my head round people slagging the manager (who has just kept us up when we'd looked dead in the water) off because he hasn't selected a player who's made 7 appearances for us.

If he'd dropped Benteke or Delph and not had them in the squad at all I'd be with you questioning his thinking and I understood why people kept calling for Bent to get a place back (even if I disagreed with them) but Gil we have almost no point of reference and yet him not playing more is a mistake that Sherwood should be held to account for, really?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Bad English on June 10, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
Not right for a relegation battle? Was involved in one with Elche.
Elche? This is a bit random but there is a variety of pomegranate tree called Mollar d'Elche. I am trying to get hold of one.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2015, 11:28:36 PM
Not right for a relegation battle? Was involved in one with Elche.
Elche? This is a bit random but there is a variety of pomegranate tree called Mollar d'Elche. I am trying to get hold of one.

Try your local pomegranate tree shop.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: old man villa fan on June 11, 2015, 12:04:49 AM
When Sherwood came in he said we had too many 'icing on the cake' players or words to that effect.  Meaning that you cannot play them all.  He also said that he had to find a system that best suited the players and get results.

The way I saw it was that the only position Gil could have come into was N'Zogbia's.  Sherwood obviously thought that he could just get enough out of N'Zogbia as he was a known entity, whereas Gil was not.  However, the problem was that N'Zogbia played a couple of good games, then slipped back into his old ways, then raised his game again for another couple of games and then slipped back again i.e. he did just enough to retain his place ahead of Gil.  Also, N'Zogbia can play a bit farther forward and more of a direct type of game.

Hindsight is great for the fan as it makes football seem so simple.  Sherwood had to make some brave decisions at the time as we were in a desperate position.  Didn't read many posters on here commenting that Gill should have been given a chance around the period when Sherwood got the team rolling.

The time to see what Gil has got to offer is preseason.  Grealish cannot play all of the time and Gil could be an alternative on the right side.  Also, I would get N'Zogbia out of the club as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Boz on June 11, 2015, 10:09:54 AM
When Sherwood came in he said we had too many 'icing on the cake' players or words to that effect.  Meaning that you cannot play them all.  He also said that he had to find a system that best suited the players and get results.

The way I saw it was that the only position Gil could have come into was N'Zogbia's.  Sherwood obviously thought that he could just get enough out of N'Zogbia as he was a known entity, whereas Gil was not.  However, the problem was that N'Zogbia played a couple of good games, then slipped back into his old ways, then raised his game again for another couple of games and then slipped back again i.e. he did just enough to retain his place ahead of Gil.  Also, N'Zogbia can play a bit farther forward and more of a direct type of game.

Hindsight is great for the fan as it makes football seem so simple.  Sherwood had to make some brave decisions at the time as we were in a desperate position.  Didn't read many posters on here commenting that Gill should have been given a chance around the period when Sherwood got the team rolling.

The time to see what Gil has got to offer is preseason.  Grealish cannot play all of the time and Gil could be an alternative on the right side.  Also, I would get N'Zogbia out of the club as soon as possible.

This is a realistic response to a situation that has many different points of view. We all have an opinion on Gil and why Sherwood hasn't used him, but we don't really know why this is and offer all sorts of reasons, none as far as I'm aware, based on firm knowledge.

Sherwood will survive or fail on his decisions, assuming new owners retain him, but like many, I'd have liked to see Gil play more but the circumstances with Grealish playing well and N'Zogbia presumably having the Premiership experience Sherwood wanted left Gil on the sidelines. Maybe a pre season will allow Gil to prove his worth to Sherwood or that he doesn't rate him. Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2015, 10:24:43 AM
Hindsight is great for the fan as it makes football seem so simple.  Sherwood had to make some brave decisions at the time as we were in a desperate position.  Didn't read many posters on here commenting that Gill should have been given a chance around the period when Sherwood got the team rolling.

No, neither did I, but surely that's neither here nor there?

There were other players who didn't feature in the team when he first got us moving, too, but there weren't that many others that didn't get a sniff of the pitch in that time.

There was also a spell towards the end when things stopped rolling, too, and Gil didn't get a look in.

People aren't just wondering why Gil didn't get a chance because his name didn't turn up on the team sheet, like they might wonder about, say, Chris Herd, they're wondering because in the early part of the season, he showed real promise.

I think one influencing factor will be the similarity to Grealish, but then again, if you look at Sherwood's spell here so far and the number of games in which N'Zogbia played, and how little he offered, it's hard to see why Gil couldn't have had a chance in that role.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2015, 10:26:29 AM
Cahill wanted first team football but was not ready for the level we were then at hence why he went to Bolton for a few years of relegation battles. Ideally we could have kept him to develop here but clearly he did not think it was in his interests to wait around.


If Gaz wasn't ready, I'm not sure Zat was, a player who kept him out but with much less potential. O'Neill messed-up and most of us thought so at the time.

Not to mention Curtis Davies, a worse player who we spent £10m on.

In his time here, he managed to look like the most consistently scared defender I've seen in a long time. He'd see the action moving towards him and look like a rabbit in the headlights.

I appreciate he was brave to say what he did after his debut, but it probably wasn't a great idea, as it followed him around for a long time after.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2015, 10:28:35 AM
The defence under MON was a great illustration of both his weaknesses and how we got into such a problem financially. To go out one season and buy a whole defence, then go out the next season and buy another one, was typical of his "scattergun", lazy, expensive approach to recruitment.

Buy enough players and eventually some will be good enough.

How's this look for a back four?

Shorey - Davis - Knight - Beye

*shudder*
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on June 11, 2015, 10:36:04 AM
That's £23 million in fees and over £6 million a year in wages.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Monty on June 11, 2015, 11:05:35 AM
His remit was to get into the Champions League, so he bought those players. Ouch.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 11, 2015, 12:32:18 PM
Sherwood has made a mistake here. Why can't people admit instead of making excuses for him?

Too weak? He played Grealish.
Not right for a relegation battle? Was involved in one with Elche.
Doesn't do it in training? Points aren't won in training sessions.
Manager just doesn't fancy him? He regularly plays Joe Cole and N'Zogbia, I'd be worried about his judgment.

Why can't you understand that you not agreeing with a decision doesn't make it a mistake?

As said stop comparing him to Grealish in terms of physical suitability if a rubbish comparison, Grealish isn't strong but he knows how to handle a kick, the evidence was that Gil hasn't picked that up yet.
Experience of a relegation battle, I never said anything about that, I did comment on experience in English football though, which he didn't get playing for Elche.
Points aren't won in training sessions but places in the team are.
Sherwood's judgement got us the points we needed to stay up, given that his judgement so far has proven to be good enough.

The worst thing is, I like Gil, I want to see more of him so this argument means I'm taking a position I don't particularly hold but I just can't get my head round people slagging the manager (who has just kept us up when we'd looked dead in the water) off because he hasn't selected a player who's made 7 appearances for us.

If he'd dropped Benteke or Delph and not had them in the squad at all I'd be with you questioning his thinking and I understood why people kept calling for Bent to get a place back (even if I disagreed with them) but Gil we have almost no point of reference and yet him not playing more is a mistake that Sherwood should be held to account for, really?

Anything that leads to N'Zogbia starting is a mistake!

How do you know Gil can't take a kick? After all, he's only played 7 times for us ;)
Premier League experience is overrated. It didn't seem to be a factor on his debut vs Liverpool, or when he scored that goal vs Bournemouth, or when he set up the goal vs Chelsea. Surely we should priotise good players over experienced ones?
If Joe "knackered after 5 seconds minutes" Cole does more than Gil in training, I'd be very surprised.
Even the most successful managers make mistakes!

Those 7 appearances are all the fans have to judge him on though. No-one can deny he looked really good under Lambert, that's why it's weird he's not been involved.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 11, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
In the Stoke game Gil on several occasions took some player on and lost the ball resulting in them having a very quick breakaway. On at least a couple of occasions Sherwood was a screaming at him to track back yet it did not happen. I think there and right then the die was cast. Nzogbia does at least give the impression that he works for the team - although reality is that he often is chasing back after he has lost the ball running down a blind alley
When I have seen him with the other player during warm up he never looks like he is either happy or integrated with the squad
Its a shame as I think he has real talent
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 01:48:24 PM
While Gil didn't play well vs Stoke that should have been a conversation Sherwood had with him afterwards to set new expectations. If after that Gil didn't respond in training then it's on him. The dye shouldn't have been cast in that game and it really wasn't as he was brought in vs Albion and appreared on the bench for a few games after that. Either Sherwood gave up or Gil progressively got worse in training. But something happened where the manager decided he wasn't someone to go to battle with in a relegation fight.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Gareth on June 11, 2015, 01:51:03 PM
When you are a crap team there's no room for passengers, I remember that Stoke game & he definitely didn't seem keen on tracking back.  He might create a chance or score a goal but playing with 10 men defensively will cost you more points than it will win over the season.  The manager has to trust the 11 on the pitch to do what they are told, if he can't then parting of the ways is for the best.

He's only been in our league for 4 months so he might come good but I come back to the fact you don't get great players for 3m very often.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
I doubt there's any Villa player who didn't have an absolute stinker at least once last season. Would be very strange to bomb just one player out for it. Obviously the Stoke game didn't help his cause but you have to think there's more to it than just that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2015, 02:54:01 PM
Gil came off injured in an U21 game against Wolves at the start of April, and then was confirmed as still injured at the end of the season.  Until being injured he was therefore part of every squad.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2015, 04:02:10 PM
While Gil didn't play well vs Stoke that should have been a conversation Sherwood had with him afterwards to set new expectations. If after that Gil didn't respond in training then it's on him. The dye shouldn't have been cast in that game and it really wasn't as he was brought in vs Albion and appreared on the bench for a few games after that. Either Sherwood gave up or Gil progressively got worse in training. But something happened where the manager decided he wasn't someone to go to battle with in a relegation fight.

That's what I think happened (i.e. "I want to see you do something to fix this flaw I've spotted" and nothing happened in training to suggest that was taken on board), accompanied by the injury that Risso mentioned, although he was definitely in training before the final because he was in the videos and photos of the preparation for it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villasjf on June 11, 2015, 04:07:46 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on June 11, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
He was a joy to watch in his first few games. Technically, looked head and shoulders above the rest of our lot from his first touch against Liverpool.

I recall him playing well to start with in the 4-0 stuffing we took at Arsenal in the league, but looking more and more pissed off with his teammates' total inability to do anything to help him. Then in the Stoke game he was coming stupidly deep and trying to take men on in daft positions, but at the time I just thought this was sheer frustration with how shit the rest of them were. Players with that kind of footballing ability don't end up at Villa Park very often, I think it would be a crying shame if we didn't at least persevere with trying to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villadelph on June 12, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.

Saw that Moyes was keeping tabs on him.. really don't want him to go.  :-\
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: john e on June 13, 2015, 04:13:50 PM
If he's going I hope he goes out on loan then if he does well he can come back
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: johnc on June 14, 2015, 02:56:27 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.

Saw that Moyes was keeping tabs on him.. really don't want him to go.  :-\
Do Sociedad sign Spanish players? I thought they went for Basque players or players from outside Spain
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: JJ-AV on June 14, 2015, 03:04:51 PM
With Gil, I'd keep and play him if I was in control, but I'm not. And Sherwood's done enough in his short-time here to justify having a Summer to shape the squad how he wants it.

Obviously, he doesn't like the cut of Gil's jib, so it's best all round he goes.

I have to say I'm surprised. He seems to love Grealish and as much potential as he has, there can't be too much between him and Gil right now - from a pure current ability standpoint.

Who knows ay?

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 14, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.

Saw that Moyes was keeping tabs on him.. really don't want him to go.  :-\
Do Sociedad sign Spanish players? I thought they went for Basque players or players from outside Spain
They used to - but scrapped it a couple of decades ago.

It's Bilbao who still do it, but I think they use a pretty loose definition these days.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: johnc on June 14, 2015, 05:25:07 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.

Saw that Moyes was keeping tabs on him.. really don't want him to go.  :-\
Do Sociedad sign Spanish players? I thought they went for Basque players or players from outside Spain
They used to - but scrapped it a couple of decades ago.

It's Bilbao who still do it, but I think they use a pretty loose definition these days.
Thye got riid of the Basque only policy when they signed Aldridge but I am not sure if they sign Spanish players
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 14, 2015, 05:41:34 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.

Saw that Moyes was keeping tabs on him.. really don't want him to go.  :-\
Do Sociedad sign Spanish players? I thought they went for Basque players or players from outside Spain
They used to - but scrapped it a couple of decades ago.

It's Bilbao who still do it, but I think they use a pretty loose definition these days.
Thye got riid of the Basque only policy when they signed Aldridge but I am not sure if they sign Spanish players
I think they must - Esteban Granero has played for them for a couple of years and he was Madrid born and bred.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on June 14, 2015, 06:25:59 PM
Bilbao still run that policy - they include the very south of France as being basque hence lizarazu

Incredible to think they've never been relegated. Imagine if villa only played players from the midlands
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2015, 07:35:09 PM
Bilbao still run that policy - they include the very south of France as being basque hence lizarazu

Incredible to think they've never been relegated. Imagine if villa only played players from the midlands
Isn't that because the South West corner of France is Basque?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Bad English on June 14, 2015, 07:46:51 PM
Point of order. I live in the southernmost part of France and it is not Basque.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Trinitymiddle on June 14, 2015, 07:54:58 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.

Saw that Moyes was keeping tabs on him.. really don't want him to go.  :-\
Do Sociedad sign Spanish players? I thought they went for Basque players or players from outside Spain
They used to - but scrapped it a couple of decades ago.

It's Bilbao who still do it, but I think they use a pretty loose definition these days.

Don't think its that loose. It's Basque only, that's it. their fans wouldn't allow a change to that policy, they'd rather get relegated than have 'Spanish' players.
Sociedad used to be Basque only but couldn't compete with Athletic. I think its mainly non-Spanish or Basque.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: johnc on June 14, 2015, 08:37:29 PM
They have been discussing him on TS and it is rumoured that 3 spannish clubs want him for around £3.5m and a couple of premier league clubs want him on loan.

Saw that Moyes was keeping tabs on him.. really don't want him to go.  :-\
Do Sociedad sign Spanish players? I thought they went for Basque players or players from outside Spain
They used to - but scrapped it a couple of decades ago.

It's Bilbao who still do it, but I think they use a pretty loose definition these days.
Thye got riid of the Basque only policy when they signed Aldridge but I am not sure if they sign Spanish players
I think they must - Esteban Granero has played for them for a couple of years and he was Madrid born and bred.
They must have  changed policy. Granero looks to be fairly Spanish
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Bad English on June 14, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
Bilbao still run that policy - they include the very south of France as being basque hence lizarazu

Incredible to think they've never been relegated. Imagine if villa only played players from the midlands
Isn't that because the South West corner of France is Basque?
Western Pyrenees, Atlantic side is where the Basque Country is.

Eastern Pyrenees, Mediterranean side is where Catalan country is.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: silhillvilla on June 14, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
And Heres me thinking Basque Country was bottom draw with the KY Jelly and amyl nitrate
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
Gill best player around for villa. Hope he gets a chance .
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frank black on June 20, 2015, 08:31:02 PM
What ever he said or did, it must have been pretty bad for a new manager to snub a 3mil signing after weeks.

Hopefully they kiss and make up because he is a good player. If not then it's another hit on the balance sheet.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 08:33:15 PM
Maybe he nutmegged Sherwood in training !twice!

Actually I'm pretty sure he did or made the first eleven Sherwood  picked in training look ordinary in a versus rest of squad match
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on June 20, 2015, 09:17:55 PM
Maybe he nutmegged Sherwood in training !twice!

Actually I'm pretty sure he did or made the first eleven Sherwood  picked in training look ordinary in a versus rest of squad match


But you think Sherwood would turn Sammi Ameobi into a good player?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Potentially as Sam am is British academy based and Sherwood motivational style could work unlike his dealings with gil
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on June 20, 2015, 11:02:11 PM
Potentially as Sam am is British academy based and Sherwood motivational style could work unlike his dealings with gil

So Sherwood can only work with british based players like erm... Sammi Ameobi?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2015, 11:07:50 PM
I don't care how good a motivator he is, it won't make either Ameobi good enough.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 07, 2015, 04:53:42 PM
Talk Sport transfer guy. Mentioned Gil was being talked about for a loan to Real Betis. Then he got an update saying it has just been announced that Gil has been told he will be a part of the Villa squad this coming season !!! This could be like a new signing. He is quality and I hope Wilkins has turned Sherwoods head .......
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2015, 05:03:23 PM
Interesting. There was always a strong case that he would be sold but I also thought it was a bit much throwing a young lad into a relegation battle when he's come from a very different culture and has to learn a new language. With how easily he was being knocked off the ball against Stoke and with how he would receive the ball deep into our own half, I can see the sense in that.

Now that he's had a chance to experience the culture, learn the language, get to know his teammates and have a full pre-season with us, he could be a good player in the new look side.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on July 07, 2015, 05:03:43 PM
Talk Sport transfer guy. Mentioned Gil was being talked about for a loan to Real Betis. Then he got an update saying it has just been announced that Gil has been told he will be a part of the Villa squad this coming season !!! This could be like a new signing. He is quality and I hope Wilkins has turned Sherwoods head .......

I do hope that is correct. I am sure 99% of us would like to see Carles performing his skills as a member of the first team squad.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Diablo on July 07, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Talk Sport transfer guy. Mentioned Gil was being talked about for a loan to Real Betis. Then he got an update saying it has just been announced that Gil has been told he will be a part of the Villa squad this coming season !!! This could be like a new signing. He is quality and I hope Wilkins has turned Sherwoods head .......

I do hope that is correct. I am sure 99% of us would like to see Carles performing his skills as a member of the first team squad.

Whoo! Hoo! If true that would be like I new signing. I'd resigned myself to Carles leaving.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: sc00by555 on July 07, 2015, 05:27:09 PM
I heard that too on Talksport, the transfer rumour guy was on building it up as if he was going to be sold and then said he'd had it confirmed in the last half hour that he was back in the fold for next season's plans. It certainly was eyebrow-raising stuff.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on July 07, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
That's as good as a new signing in my view
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dekko on July 07, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
Very pleased if this is true
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2015, 05:49:18 PM
Maybe he's come back from the summer break with rock-hard abs and Tim is suitably impressed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Diablo on July 07, 2015, 06:15:24 PM
Maybe he's come back from the summer break with rock-hard abs and Tim is suitably impressed.

Maybe he's come back from the summer break rock-hard and Tim is suitably satisfied
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2015, 06:20:08 PM
Didn't Sherwood suggest that certain players were required for relegation fight? I also think Gil probably didn't do himself any favours in proving he could have been a part of things at the end of last season. Also I believe Sherwood after the cup final that he wanted to play different ways and get some players who hadn't played much more involved. All in all good news.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Nelly on July 07, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
Great stuff! Probably the only player during those dark days who looked able (likely) to do something. I'd be ecstatic to see him feature for Villa again.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ez on July 07, 2015, 07:55:38 PM
I hope he gets another chance. With Kozak fit they're like 2 new signings for next season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ormy Droid on July 07, 2015, 08:57:32 PM
If Benteke does leave, we're going to need goals from somewhere, and at least he does shoot, occasionally even hitting the target, which is more than can be said for some..
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2015, 10:41:07 PM
If the information proves correct, we'll have 2 good number 10's having spent years struggling to find one.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 07, 2015, 11:13:54 PM
Would be like a new signing. Also would show that Sherwood doesn't want to create a "bomb squad".
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 07, 2015, 11:29:16 PM
If the information proves correct, we'll have 2 good number 10's having spent years struggling to find one.

Yep.  Should be good competition between him and Grealish for that spot.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2015, 11:44:57 PM
I heard that too on Talksport, the transfer rumour guy was on building it up as if he was going to be sold and then said he'd had it confirmed in the last half hour that he was back in the fold for next season's plans. It certainly was eyebrow-raising stuff.

I assume it was the man with his finger on the pulse Beaky?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 08, 2015, 12:04:26 AM
Good news.
Hope to see him feature early on....and looking forward to seeing Kozak too!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: MalcolmP on July 08, 2015, 12:35:00 PM
Carles or Charles - difficult choice!! 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2015, 12:37:29 PM
Would be like a new signing. Also would show that Sherwood doesn't want to create a "bomb squad".

Sherwood said that the squad wasn't suited to a relegation battle, which, given Gil didn't feature, was more than likely a reference to him among others.

It must be very hard as a young player, in a new league, to be thrown in at the deep end and be expected to slug it out in a relegation fight.

With a pre-season, more time to settle and better quality of players being brought in, he may well flourish and be a real asset. If that is the case, then I think that is well played by Sherwood.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: MalcolmP on July 08, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
At the time wouldn't have thought Grealish as kind of player for relegation battle - yet he came good!! I'm sure Carles would have given as much if not more than Charles N'Zog.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
At least Jack knows the club, the league, the culture and the language.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2015, 12:59:06 PM
Jack takes a strange enjoyment out of getting lamped, which Gil seemingly hasn't mastered yet.

I would love to see them both play at home against a stubborn opponent. We need the sort of movement and guile they can offer. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2015, 01:31:45 PM
Jack takes a strange enjoyment out of getting lamped, which Gil seemingly hasn't mastered yet.

I would love to see them both play at home against a stubborn opponent. We need the sort of movement and guile they can offer. 

As I said all along that was the key difference, watch the way Grealish dealt with Alex Song (which was fucking brilliant by the way) Gil would never have been so willing to get himself kicked to get a guy booked.

I really like Gil but the Stoke game showed that he wasn't the right player for the fight that we were in.  I don't think nzog was either but keeping Gil out of things means he starts the new season with a good reputation with the fans and without his experience having been tainted.  Nzog was already a busted flush with the fans so throwing him in and giving him a chance to redeem himself was probably the right call, even if he didn't do much.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
I thought Gil got a rough deal against Stoke. Perhaps not the ideal game to show off to the boss. He'd not looked that powder puff before hand, but he had in fairness just come back from an injury, which may have played on his mind a bit. I'm sure he'll toughen up a bit. Players like that are good at evading though. Like Silva. A gnats fart could blow him over but players can't get near him and if they do they give away a free kick.

I'm glad he's gonna get a chance. I think there's plenty of promise there.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2015, 02:22:21 PM
I thought Gil got a rough deal against Stoke. Perhaps not the ideal game to show off to the boss. He'd not looked that powder puff before hand, but he had in fairness just come back from an injury, which may have played on his mind a bit. I'm sure he'll toughen up a bit. Players like that are good at evading though. Like Silva. A gnats fart could blow him over but players can't get near him and if they do they give away a free kick.

I'm glad he's gonna get a chance. I think there's plenty of promise there.

I agree completely, I can just understand why you'd watch that and think that he probably wasn't the right guy to have in for the run in.  The only thing I thought we did wrong with him was to not include him in the squad for Burnley and the final when the threat was gone.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2015, 02:59:18 PM
I thought Gil got a rough deal against Stoke. Perhaps not the ideal game to show off to the boss. He'd not looked that powder puff before hand, but he had in fairness just come back from an injury, which may have played on his mind a bit. I'm sure he'll toughen up a bit. Players like that are good at evading though. Like Silva. A gnats fart could blow him over but players can't get near him and if they do they give away a free kick.

I'm glad he's gonna get a chance. I think there's plenty of promise there.

I agree completely, I can just understand why you'd watch that and think that he probably wasn't the right guy to have in for the run in
I can see that in isolation, but for me it just doesn't tally with why N'Zogbia chugging around the pitch and occasionally falling over WAS the right guy to have in for the run in.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 08, 2015, 03:01:55 PM
When I look down the years at players we've had at Villa, N'Zogbia must be up there with the most useless, pathetic, half-arsed ponies we've ever had. I'm glad Sherwood has seen the light with Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2015, 03:22:56 PM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: gervilla on July 08, 2015, 03:36:58 PM
Stephen Ireland.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2015, 03:39:44 PM
I reckon N'Zogbia would probably still win - longer contract, bigger transfer fee.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dekko on July 08, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
I can think of a couple of games over the years that N'Zogbia put in good performances, and one in particular (West Ham at home 12/13) that he won by himself.  Its not a lot but its more than Ireland ever managed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 08, 2015, 04:06:40 PM
  Its not a lot but its more than Ireland ever managed.

"On 31 December 2011, Ireland scored his first ever goal for Villa in a 3–1 away win at Chelsea, scoring the opener and assisting the third goal in a man of the match winning performance. At the end of the season, after some impressive displays, Ireland was voted Aston Villa's Supporters' player of the season"

He's overall career was rubbish but I still think he did more than Charles.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2015, 04:09:15 PM
N'Zogbia was alright in some of the games in the run in.

Ireland was a waster of epic proportions. I guess the real issue isn't who was worse out the two, but rather that one replaced Milner and the other Young and Downing. Therein lies a significant reason for why we went from 6th the 16th.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2015, 04:10:03 PM
That Chelsea game was the one bright spot in McLeish's time with us.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2015, 04:15:19 PM
I thought Gil got a rough deal against Stoke. Perhaps not the ideal game to show off to the boss. He'd not looked that powder puff before hand, but he had in fairness just come back from an injury, which may have played on his mind a bit. I'm sure he'll toughen up a bit. Players like that are good at evading though. Like Silva. A gnats fart could blow him over but players can't get near him and if they do they give away a free kick.

I'm glad he's gonna get a chance. I think there's plenty of promise there.

I agree completely, I can just understand why you'd watch that and think that he probably wasn't the right guy to have in for the run in
I can see that in isolation, but for me it just doesn't tally with why N'Zogbia chugging around the pitch and occasionally falling over WAS the right guy to have in for the run in.

I don't agree with the degree of his exclusion and I'd not have nzog anywhere near the team but I can only assume that TS thought both were a risk and he was happier taking the risk with nzog than with Gil.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2015, 10:34:13 PM
I honestly have no idea how Stephen Ireland won player of the year. He was fucking terrible. Maybe he was slightly less terrible than some of the others, but I'd still have had Petrov for half a season, or Robbie Keane for 10 games ahead of Ireland that season. Or Given.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2015, 10:40:14 PM
Yep, it just confirms that he was the least terrible player that season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2015, 10:44:42 PM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Louzie0 on July 08, 2015, 10:51:56 PM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?

Aaaah, Balaban.


The Face of 2001.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2015, 11:04:57 PM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?
Nah, I don't reckon he's a contender.

If we were doing something along the lines of "minutes played versus total expenditure" then he'd probably be right up there, but a £5.8m transfer fee and £20,000 per week for two years doesn't come close to £9.5m plus around £40,000 per week for four and a half years, even allowing for inflation and increases in income.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 08, 2015, 11:23:10 PM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?

Probably the worst deal in the history of this club.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Steve R on July 09, 2015, 12:29:37 AM
Not too sure about the 'not a relegation fighter' thing. I find it hard to believe that there is any competition from a cup final down to a soggy biscuit contest that NZogbia would be a better option than Gil.

Wilkins at work is more likely.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2015, 07:10:15 AM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?
Nah, I don't reckon he's a contender.

If we were doing something along the lines of "minutes played versus total expenditure" then he'd probably be right up there, but a £5.8m transfer fee and £20,000 per week for two years doesn't come close to £9.5m plus around £40,000 per week for four and a half years, even allowing for inflation and increases in income.
Dave, I have the same level of contempt for N'Zog. I still believe that TSM bought him because he could ... whereas across the City he had been prevented from doing so. He only ever had one noteworthy half-season - at Wigan - and the rest of his career is very forgettable.
Anyone, including TS, who thinks he has a role in our future must be deluded.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?
Nah, I don't reckon he's a contender.

If we were doing something along the lines of "minutes played versus total expenditure" then he'd probably be right up there, but a £5.8m transfer fee and £20,000 per week for two years doesn't come close to £9.5m plus around £40,000 per week for four and a half years, even allowing for inflation and increases in income.

But Balaban literally did nothing at all, whereas N'Zog has had the odd good game at least.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 09, 2015, 11:14:23 AM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?
Nah, I don't reckon he's a contender.

If we were doing something along the lines of "minutes played versus total expenditure" then he'd probably be right up there, but a £5.8m transfer fee and £20,000 per week for two years doesn't come close to £9.5m plus around £40,000 per week for four and a half years, even allowing for inflation and increases in income.

But Balaban literally did nothing at all, whereas N'Zog has had the odd good game at least.

To be fair, Balaban did spectacularly cock up that 1 on 1 at Southampton where managed to look about as much like a professional footballer as a penguin on roller skates.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2015, 11:38:42 AM
When transfer fee x wages x length of contract x potential resale value are all factored in, there can't be too many who have cost us more compared with what they have delivered.

It's forgivable of course, but surely you haven't forgotten Balaban?
Nah, I don't reckon he's a contender.

If we were doing something along the lines of "minutes played versus total expenditure" then he'd probably be right up there, but a £5.8m transfer fee and £20,000 per week for two years doesn't come close to £9.5m plus around £40,000 per week for four and a half years, even allowing for inflation and increases in income.

But Balaban literally did nothing at all, whereas N'Zog has had the odd good game at least.
True, that's fair enough.

Although the reverse argument could be were we better served by realising that a player isn't up to it after 8 games and replacing him with somebody better or by persevering for 80-odd matches of ineffectiveness.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Holte L2 on July 09, 2015, 12:33:19 PM
I honestly have no idea how Stephen Ireland won player of the year. He was fucking terrible. Maybe he was slightly less terrible than some of the others, but I'd still have had Petrov for half a season, or Robbie Keane for 10 games ahead of Ireland that season. Or Given.

It was a piss take.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 12:35:42 PM
The scary thing about this conversation is that are so many contenders for the 'biggest waste of money award'. From every managerial tenure in recent history you can find a Curcic, an Alpay or a Kachloul. Players who have got nowhere near to justifying their cost. Obviously, this happens to a certain degree at most clubs, but I reckon we're right-up there in terms of costly signings over the past 20 years.

That's not to mention managerial and coaching staff either...
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Dunno, Carroll, Soldado, Lemela, Downing etc are all bigger money and wages than ours, probably swallowing them whole. We have been bad, but other clubs have been even more spectacular.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2015, 02:37:46 PM
The scary thing about this conversation is that are so many contenders for the 'biggest waste of money award'. From every managerial tenure in recent history you can find a Curcic, an Alpay or a Kachloul. Players who have got nowhere near to justifying their cost. Obviously, this happens to a certain degree at most clubs, but I reckon we're right-up there in terms of costly signings over the past 20 years.

That's not to mention managerial and coaching staff either...

Not sure I agree on Alpay, things went badly wrong with the way he left but before that last season or so he'd looked well worth the fee.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mellin on July 09, 2015, 04:48:05 PM
Alpay and Mellberg were a very good partnership for a couple of seasons. He went off a cliff, but it wasn't 5.5m(?) badly spent.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 09, 2015, 04:48:39 PM
The scary thing about this conversation is that are so many contenders for the 'biggest waste of money award'. From every managerial tenure in recent history you can find a Curcic, an Alpay or a Kachloul. Players who have got nowhere near to justifying their cost. Obviously, this happens to a certain degree at most clubs, but I reckon we're right-up there in terms of costly signings over the past 20 years.

That's not to mention managerial and coaching staff either...

You forgot the Djemba Twins
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: MoetVillan on July 09, 2015, 05:01:23 PM
The scary thing about this conversation is that are so many contenders for the 'biggest waste of money award'. From every managerial tenure in recent history you can find a Curcic, an Alpay or a Kachloul. Players who have got nowhere near to justifying their cost. Obviously, this happens to a certain degree at most clubs, but I reckon we're right-up there in terms of costly signings over the past 20 years.

That's not to mention managerial and coaching staff either...

You forgot the Djemba Twins

*shudders*

So bad they named him twice
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2015, 05:17:10 PM
Alpay and Mellberg were a very good partnership for a couple of seasons. He went off a cliff, but it wasn't 5.5m(?) badly spent.

Alpay was fine until he went to the World Cup, got chose in the team of the tournament and came back with a bigger head than Frank Sidebottom.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2015, 06:56:36 PM
The scary thing about this conversation is that are so many contenders for the 'biggest waste of money award'. From every managerial tenure in recent history you can find a Curcic, an Alpay or a Kachloul. Players who have got nowhere near to justifying their cost. Obviously, this happens to a certain degree at most clubs, but I reckon we're right-up there in terms of costly signings over the past 20 years.

That's not to mention managerial and coaching staff either...

Not sure I agree on Alpay, things went badly wrong with the way he left but before that last season or so he'd looked well worth the fee.

Was just about to say the same thing, until he went mad, Alpay was one of the best central defenders we've had in recentish times. 

I'll add Nicky Shorey's name to the list of waste of money defenders though.  A panic buy by Pubehead, who turned out to be utterly useless.

In fact left back has been a huge problem for us for years.  Since Bouma, we had one decent season out of Warnock, then we've had right footed players like Young and Lichaj playing there occasionally, plus the utterly hopeless Stevens, Bennet, Luna and Cissokho.  Even Richardson as a left back wasn't much cop.  Would be really nice to have a decent one for a change.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2015, 09:58:15 PM
Alpay and Mellberg were a very good partnership for a couple of seasons. He went off a cliff, but it wasn't 5.5m(?) badly spent.

Alpay was fine until he went to the World Cup, got chose in the team of the tournament and came back with a bigger head than Frank Sidebottom.

He was injured for a long time before then, miracuously recovered for the World Cup, then as you say, virtually going on strike into the bargain.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2015, 12:52:38 AM
I'll add Nicky Shorey's name to the list of waste of money defenders though.  A panic buy by Pubehead, who turned out to be utterly useless.
I remember an interview with Steve Sidwell, who mentioned that he happened to be talking to O'Neill after training, O'Neill mentioned he was worried as the Bouma injury had thrown him a bit and that left-back was now a bit of a concern and he didn't really know who would be playing there in Bouma's absence.

Sidwell mentioned that Shorey had done a decent job in the same team as him at Reading, 72 hours later Shorey was a Villa player.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 10, 2015, 01:01:25 AM
Alpay and Mellberg were a very good partnership for a couple of seasons. He went off a cliff, but it wasn't 5.5m(?) badly spent.

Alpay was fine until he went to the World Cup, got chose in the team of the tournament and came back with a bigger head than Frank Sidebottom.

He was injured for a long time before then, miracuously recovered for the World Cup, then as you say, virtually going on strike into the bargain.

The quote which sticks in my head from that time was "I can play for Leeds".

Decent player, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: David_Nab on July 16, 2015, 12:46:34 PM
I'll add Nicky Shorey's name to the list of waste of money defenders though.  A panic buy by Pubehead, who turned out to be utterly useless.
I remember an interview with Steve Sidwell, who mentioned that he happened to be talking to O'Neill after training, O'Neill mentioned he was worried as the Bouma injury had thrown him a bit and that left-back was now a bit of a concern and he didn't really know who would be playing there in Bouma's absence.

Sidwell mentioned that Shorey had done a decent job in the same team as him at Reading, 72 hours later Shorey was a Villa player.

I remember that as well ..

Anyway back on topic

Gil going no where
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-portugal---carles-9668884#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc

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Carles Gil is going nowhere and will be an integral part of the Aston Villa first-team next season, boss Tim Sherwood has revealed.

The Spaniard struggled to make an impact under Sherwood last term and was expected to move on this summer.

But since returning to pre-season training and spending ‘quality time’ with the 22-year-old here in Portugal, Sherwood has seen a different side to Gil.

His quality was never in doubt, but fitting him into a struggling Villa side was a risk, as the gaffer explained to the Birmingham Mail.

“He is going to play a lot more football this year because we’re not in that situation where it’s a relegation battle,” said Sherwood.

Sherwood said: “I’ve spoken to Carles, it’s hard for him to understand he’s not played and all of a sudden he will. That’s life.

“Hopefully he is (like a new signing).

“He has done well in pre-season, he’s come back and he really knows there is an opportunity there for him.

“I think he impressed the fans so much when he first signed because everyone else was so poor.

“He came in with a lot of freedom but even though it was working okay for him, the team were struggling.”



Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 16, 2015, 12:48:46 PM
Good news and sensible management now it has been explained.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2015, 12:53:11 PM
Encouraging.

The Rehabilitation of Carles Gil

Wasn't that an album in the 90s?

Could compete for the grealish role I guess, unless we keep on playing two number tens.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: spangley1812 on July 16, 2015, 12:53:18 PM
I would start him ahead of Jack
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2015, 12:58:01 PM
You could imagine them playing nicely together though it's a bit of a luxury. You'd need a hard working midfield and they'd need to start scoring.

I think keeping jack on his toes is a good thing. I've still not seen Gil play as well as jack did around the time of the semi final though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 16, 2015, 12:59:59 PM
Good news and sensible management now it has been explained.

Brilliant news though I still fail to understand what Sherwood saw in Mr Cul-de-Sac.

I'm thinking Sherwood is going to give Grealish a little life lesson come the new season after the fun of the summer where he finds himself on the bench and Gil playing as the 10. Though they play on opposite sides I can't see him playing both at the same time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2015, 01:05:35 PM
Am I being presumptuous in thinking that Gil being in favour means N'Zog being out?
Very similar players for me but one has been tried and been poor, the other shown great promise when given a chance.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 16, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Am I being presumptuous in thinking that Gil being in favour means N'Zog being out?

We live in hope, Frank.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: alan_clarke on July 16, 2015, 01:10:48 PM
The Bournmouth goal aside my memories of Gill playing were of him looking very tidy in possession in our own half of the pitch.

With our new way of playing under TS, I'm looking forward to seeing the damage he can cause nearer the opposition's penalty box.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 16, 2015, 01:19:32 PM
Good news and I have to agree with TS he looked good when first here as we were so very poor

The guy certainly has the talent and I agree would have him start first if he is directly up against Grealish
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 16, 2015, 01:21:18 PM
Also from TS in that article:

“I see his best position as a No 10,” the manager said.
 
“Until we exhaust what he has to offer I don’t think it’s right to bring anyone else in to that position.
 
“He is a very technically gifted player.
 
“He has shown me a lot in this pre-season already that he can play and affect things for us.”


So with Grealish as well, we have a couple of good options for that role.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on July 16, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Good news and I have to agree with TS he looked good when first here as we were so very poor

The guy certainly has the talent and I agree would have him start first if he is directly up against Grealish

I would agree.Apart from the semi final I haven't been that impressed by Grealish
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: YamYamVilla on July 16, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
We were so poor to watch when Gil first came in, I think we were blinded by a player who could beat his opponent or pass to a team mate, we obviously didn't see much of that under Lambert, Sherwood is right in his assessment of Gil, lets hope he fulfils his promise , bit lightweight but has deffo quality !
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 16, 2015, 02:21:41 PM
I really like Sherwood . Talks so much sense than the dour one , I'm looking forward to next season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: usav on July 16, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
I really like Sherwood . Talks so much sense than the dour one , I'm looking forward to next season.
For all we know Lambert could have been talking sense, we just couldn't understand him!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ktvillan on July 16, 2015, 02:57:07 PM
Good news and I have to agree with TS he looked good when first here as we were so very poor

The guy certainly has the talent and I agree would have him start first if he is directly up against Grealish

I would agree.Apart from the semi final I haven't been that impressed by Grealish

Me neither, I think he's promising but has been a little over-hyped. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on August 02, 2015, 11:12:31 AM
Do we have any idea if the injury Carles sustained is a serious one? No news coming forthcoming re time out etc.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2015, 11:34:06 AM
Think he's out of a couple of weeks. A shame as he was building momentum in this pre season.

At least he's involved in things now. I was convinced he was leaving this summer.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2015, 11:34:55 AM
He'll be back to score the winner against Man Utd.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on August 30, 2015, 12:45:28 PM
I'm surprised nobody has bumped this yet to speak specifically about his cameo yesterday, especially given that it was his first league appearance for us in quite a long time.

I know Sunderland had basically shut up shop and were letting us have all the possession by the time he turned up, but I thought his movement off the ball and link-up play was very good: knew when to keep it tidy and when to force the issue. 36 touches in 27 minutes nicely sums up how willing he was to be the focal point for our build-up play. In particular, I liked the half-dinked pass he played to start the 1-2 which preceded his being brought down in the box - it didn't look that difficult but somehow I suspect we don't have many others who can manage that.

With Grealish presumably back next week I don't think there's any pressing need to put Gil in the starting lineup, but I feel very good about having him as an option on the bench for now; and hopefully Sherwood figures out when the best times are for deploying him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Richard on August 30, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
I like him s lot, has great balance and awareness

Just wish he'd shot when through yesterday rather than try to beat one more defender
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2015, 01:11:33 PM
His first touch let him down which meant he coudn't get a shot away.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy65 on August 30, 2015, 01:29:10 PM
His first touch let him down which meant he coudn't get a shot away.
It did

He did play well though. He just has that low sense of gravity and the ability to glide past an opponent. His type of player is the reason i watch football. Joy to watch. Grealish is the same
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2015, 01:38:14 PM
His first touch let him down which meant he coudn't get a shot away.
It did

He did play well though. He just has that low sense of gravity and the ability to glide past an opponent. His type of player is the reason i watch football. Joy to watch. Grealish is the same

Seeing him, Sinclair, Traore and Jack playing together on a regular basis is going to be a pleasure.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Doorbell on August 30, 2015, 01:47:02 PM
His first touch let him down which meant he coudn't get a shot away.
It did

He did play well though. He just has that low sense of gravity and the ability to glide past an opponent. His type of player is the reason i watch football. Joy to watch. Grealish is the same

Seeing him, Sinclair, Traore and Jack playing together on a regular basis is going to be a pleasure.

I'm so excited at this prospect...all I imagine is glorious, incisive, passing football mixed in with a glut of goals.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 30, 2015, 01:52:17 PM
Is there any update on Traore's injury?  I may have missed it if there is.

Sorry, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2015, 05:01:39 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 05:13:58 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Talking of whom, I saw yesterday that one of the Hull goals was "scorer Curtis Davies, assist Shaun Maloney"

MON'sVillatastic.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Rubbish. He's more like David Silva but faster. He's not fully up to speed yet after the injury lay-off. Carles is a gem of a player and still quite young. Him and Adama will star this season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2015, 05:25:34 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Rubbish. He's more like David Silva but faster. He's not fully up to speed yet after the injury lay-off. Carles is a gem of a player and still quite young. Him and Adama will star this season.

I'm closer in ability to him than he is to Silva, ya daft old crackhead.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2015, 05:32:48 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Rubbish. He's more like David Silva but faster. He's not fully up to speed yet after the injury lay-off. Carles is a gem of a player and still quite young. Him and Adama will star this season.

I'm closer in ability to him than he is to Silva, ya daft old crackhead.

No need to resort to insults. And, I don't do crack!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2015, 05:46:49 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Rubbish. He's more like David Silva but faster. He's not fully up to speed yet after the injury lay-off. Carles is a gem of a player and still quite young. Him and Adama will star this season.

I'm closer in ability to him than he is to Silva, ya daft old crackhead.

No need to resort to insults. And, I don't do crack!

Sorry, it was meant in jest.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 30, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Rubbish. He's more like David Silva but faster. He's not fully up to speed yet after the injury lay-off. Carles is a gem of a player and still quite young. Him and Adama will star this season.

I'm closer in ability to him than he is to Silva, ya daft old crackhead.

No need to resort to insults. And, I don't do crack!

Sorry, it was meant in jest.

Ah good, I was thinking he was a crack head
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: class-of-82 on August 30, 2015, 06:07:04 PM
Rather have 10 minutes of Carlos Gill than 90 minutes of the dross we have had to put with in previous seasons.
He hD the crowd on there feet with anticipation every time he had the ball
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 30, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

Could be describing Grealish there!

*runs off*
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2015, 06:21:37 PM
I like Gil but I'd pick grealish over him any day
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: CT Villan on August 30, 2015, 06:45:14 PM
Ideally we find a way to fit Gil, Grealish and Traore into the front four, maybe :


                Sinclair
Jack          Carles          Adama
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2015, 06:53:57 PM
This time last year our creative options were nzogbia and joe Cole

For that reason alone I'm feeling pretty positive
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 30, 2015, 07:20:17 PM
Ideally we find a way to fit Gil, Grealish and Traore into the front four, maybe :


                Sinclair
Jack          Carles          Adama

Yep , with the players currently at he club thats how I'd like our attack too be.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
Ideally we find a way to fit Gil, Grealish and Traore into the front four, maybe :


                Sinclair
Jack          Carles          Adama

Yep , with the players currently at he club thats how I'd like our attack too be.

I'd absolutely love it if that formation worked out. Even better with a top class centre-forward so they could all rotate. We're getting close to being a very good team IMO, and fun to watch.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 30, 2015, 07:57:58 PM
This time last year our creative options were nzogbia and joe Cole

For that reason alone I'm feeling pretty positive
Fixed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on August 30, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Agree. I was excited to see him come on and thought he'd be a lot sharper on the ball than he was. I thought he was poor considering what I was expecting from him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2015, 10:26:29 PM
I honestly don't see the fuss, he's tidy but ultra lightweight and he lacks pace.

He's a Spanish Shaun Maloney.

Agree. I was excited to see him come on and thought he'd be a lot sharper on the ball than he was. I thought he was poor considering what I was expecting from him.

I think that wonderstrike against Bournemouth,
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on September 14, 2015, 12:50:49 PM
I know we're all rightfully furious about what happened in general yesterday, but nevertheless I thought it was absolutely glorious to see him smash that second one in. Hopefully he can get on a run now, even if 70 minutes is his limit for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2016, 05:54:03 PM
He doesn't really score tap-ins.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 05:55:57 PM
He doesn't really score tap-ins.

That's what we're missing, somebody to just get in the area and scruff one in.  The odd world class finish from Gil and Ayew every now and again isn't nearly enough.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 05:58:25 PM
I know we're all rightfully furious about what happened in general yesterday, but nevertheless I thought it was absolutely glorious to see him smash that second one in. Hopefully he can get on a run now, even if 70 minutes is his limit for the foreseeable future.

It was a brilliant goal. The rest of his play was piss poor though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2016, 06:10:46 PM
He doesn't really score tap-ins.

That's what we're missing, somebody to just get in the area and scruff one in.  The odd world class finish from Gil and Ayew every now and again isn't nearly enough.

You're right - how many of our goals this season have been scored from inside the six yard box?

Lescott against Southampton the other week, Sinclair against Sunderland...

Beyond that I'm struggling.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2016, 06:11:22 PM
Richards today?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: curiousorange on January 02, 2016, 06:12:34 PM
Richards today?

You really know how to wound a person, Leeg.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
No, he was just outside.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Caribbeanvillan on January 13, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
This guy could and should be our David Silva. The biggest problem he's got is that he gets shoved off the ball quite easily, Silva does, but not half as much as Gil. There's not much between them physically - David Silva is 5'7" and 10½ stone whereby Carles Gill is 5' 7" and just under 10stone(9.9)......The club should work on him to get the extra weight/muscle on between now and the start of next season, and hopefully he will be a bit more stronger on the ball.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 13, 2016, 03:08:10 PM
The jury's out for me, he seems to go sideways an awful lot, similar to Westwood except Westwood passes sideways whereas Gil runs with the ball sideways.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Caribbeanvillan on January 13, 2016, 03:11:02 PM
I do agree, but surely that's just a coaching issue that can be addressed.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
I do agree, but surely that's just a coaching issue that can be addressed.

Or a movement issue from others.

If there's no bugger moving ahead of him to open up a pass or create space for him to run into then it restricts his options somewhat.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 13, 2016, 03:17:14 PM
I do agree, but surely that's just a coaching issue that can be addressed.

Or a movement issue from others.

If there's no bugger moving ahead of him to open up a pass or create space for him to run into then it restricts his options somewhat.

It does, but for someone who appears to blessed with some considerable skill on the ball, he seems reluctant to run forward and penetrate the opposition defence. I would say the same of Grealish too.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on January 13, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
I've said before that I think he is poor apart from the odd flash here and there and i haven't seen much else to convince me otherwise. i would have expected him to be able to take corners for a start and he rarely looks to thread a ball through to anyone, slows the game down quite a lot, and is lightweight. Technically nice but seems unable to unlock a defence when we are looking for a start player to do something. Couple of nice goals, mind.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2016, 03:37:56 PM
Interesting that Westwood played almost the killer ball through last night.  I thought Gil actually wasted some decent positions last night. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chris Smith on January 13, 2016, 03:54:45 PM
Like the rest of them I think he added a bit of steel to his game last night and worked harder than I thought he was capable of. That is what Jack needs to match if he wants the shirt.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 13, 2016, 06:14:56 PM
Did OK last night in terms of keeping possession and moving the ball around.    But being critical, he doesn't produce nearly enough which I don't think it's solely down to lack of movement in front of him, it's more down to his general creativity,  lack of pace and touch.

He might be able to do a job for now, but sooner or later (ideally sooner) Grealish has to take his place. 

Gill should on the 'get rid' list as ultimately he's not good enough.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 13, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Caribbeanvillan on January 13, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
Me too......the guy is skillful, can beat players and put it in the net...Beef the guy up, a little bit of coaching and what Dave said, get the players around showing more movement and we have a big asset.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ajdainty89 on January 13, 2016, 07:18:10 PM

He might be able to do a job for now, but sooner or later (ideally sooner) Grealish has to take his place. 

Gill should on the 'get rid' list as ultimately he's not good enough.

Is that you Jack? :D
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 13, 2016, 07:23:34 PM
Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.

You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2016, 07:27:38 PM
I can't make my mind up about Gil. I thought he had a really good game last night but there have been other games where he's gone missing. I wouldn't be selling him though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2016, 07:29:27 PM
Did OK last night in terms of keeping possession and moving the ball around.    But being critical, he doesn't produce nearly enough which I don't think it's solely down to lack of movement in front of him, it's more down to his general creativity,  lack of pace and touch.

He might be able to do a job for now, but sooner or later (ideally sooner) Grealish has to take his place. 

Gill should on the 'get rid' list as ultimately he's not good enough.

I agree. For now though, he has to play.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: class-of-82 on January 13, 2016, 07:31:06 PM
Gil don't lack vision it's just that there are no players making forward runs to ping it to
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 13, 2016, 07:34:23 PM
Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.

You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....

Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.



You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....


May be not the quickest. But lacks touch and vision? Really? Those are 2 of his strongest points.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 08:09:41 PM

He might be able to do a job for now, but sooner or later (ideally sooner) Grealish has to take his place. 

Gill should on the 'get rid' list as ultimately he's not good enough.

Grealish has done absolutely nothing this season to be anywhere near the side. He may eventually get there but I think it will be at another club.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Nelly on January 13, 2016, 08:26:19 PM
I'd have Gil over Grealish in a heartbeat right now. First name on my sheet.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2016, 08:32:36 PM
When Gil gets the ball we need a midfielder  running from deep for his pass that will at worst draw away defenders and at best Gil picks him with one of his chips  for a goal.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2016, 08:40:14 PM
I don't think Gil is a wide player. I like him more playing in the hole behind the front players.

In the hole you say...
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 13, 2016, 08:49:33 PM

He might be able to do a job for now, but sooner or later (ideally sooner) Grealish has to take his place. 

Gill should on the 'get rid' list as ultimately he's not good enough.

Grealish has done absolutely nothing this season to be anywhere near the side. He may eventually get there but I think it will be at another club.

I'm not trying to argue that Grealish is better than Gill at the present.  What I'm saying is that Gill is limited and ultimately he isn't good enough. 

I can't see Grealish and Gill in the same team at the moment, so that means either/or.  OK, for now keep Gill in the team by all means, but as soon as relegation is (even more?) nigh on certain I'd replace him with Grealish in a bid to unlock his undoubted potential.  If he fucks it up then get rid of both. 




Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 13, 2016, 08:51:33 PM
Watched gil closely last night and was impressed with his work ethic. I don't think his touch can be questioned. The think that I did notice though was nothing to do with gil really. The striking thing for me was that he had very few team mates to find that were in front of him. Most of the times the only options were inside or behind him. We just don't seem to create the space up front that we need to. 2 attacking full backs would make all the difference in the world to Giles game.imo.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 13, 2016, 08:54:42 PM
Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.

You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....

Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.



You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....


May be not the quickest. But lacks touch and vision? Really? Those are 2 of his strongest points.

Yes, lacks touch.  The good players we've seen who didn't have great pace had an excellent first touch which allowed them to beat a man.

Over the years players like Robertson at Forest and Sherringham spring to mind.  Perhaps a little more prosaically think about Petrov and Barry?

As for vision, I can;t recall him ever making anything other than the obvious pass - usually across the pitch to a wide player as he cuts back inside.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 13, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.

You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....

Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.



You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....


May be not the quickest. But lacks touch and vision? Really? Those are 2 of his strongest points.

Yes, lacks touch.  The good players we've seen who didn't have great pace had an excellent first touch which allowed them to beat a man.

Over the years players like Robertson at Forest and Sherringham spring to mind.  Perhaps a little more prosaically think about Petrov and Barry?

As for vision, I can;t recall him ever making anything other than the obvious pass - usually across the pitch to a wide player as he cuts back inside.

I know what you mean Oldhill. Im not totally convinced. He may be limited by the lack of movemnt around him which is awful.

Rather have himmim the team, than not though, at the moment
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 13, 2016, 09:00:45 PM
Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.

You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....

Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.



You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....


May be not the quickest. But lacks touch and vision? Really? Those are 2 of his strongest points.

Yes, lacks touch.  The good players we've seen who didn't have great pace had an excellent first touch which allowed them to beat a man.

Over the years players like Robertson at Forest and Sherringham spring to mind.  Perhaps a little more prosaically think about Petrov and Barry?

As for vision, I can;t recall him ever making anything other than the obvious pass - usually across the pitch to a wide player as he cuts back inside.

And the brilliant set up for Okore's header against Chelsea last season? And the clever set up for the Richards goal at Wycombe? Short memory.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2016, 09:01:10 PM
I don't think Gil is a wide player. I like him more playing in the hole behind the front players.

In the hole you say...

Another chance to post the greatest ever gif

(http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/01/york.gif)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on January 13, 2016, 10:38:15 PM
Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.

You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....

Get rid of Gil? I despair at these type of comments.



You don't agree, fair enough.  But why despair? 

He's not good enough and never will be for the reasons I've cited.  He lacks vision, touch and pace.  He's one of the (many) players who got better the more he didn't play.

Come back in a few months, years whenever and show me I'm wrong .....


May be not the quickest. But lacks touch and vision? Really? Those are 2 of his strongest points.

Yes, lacks touch.  The good players we've seen who didn't have great pace had an excellent first touch which allowed them to beat a man.

Over the years players like Robertson at Forest and Sherringham spring to mind.  Perhaps a little more prosaically think about Petrov and Barry?

As for vision, I can;t recall him ever making anything other than the obvious pass - usually across the pitch to a wide player as he cuts back inside.

I don't think it's a great problem that he generally limits himself to picking out the obvious pass - I mean, not every chance that an Ozil or Silva creates is attributable to them spotting and executing some brilliant pass that nobody else sees, a lot is because of their sense of timing and sensible decision-making. The important thing is that Carles at least keeps his head up when he's gotten into a position and looks for whoever is available rather than panicking and blasting some aimless cross in a general direction.

The bigger problem is that the players on this team generally don't have much of an idea as to getting open in the box - and once that happens, I think he's the type who would rather keep possession and try again rather than forcing the issue.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2016, 11:00:21 PM
I do agree, but surely that's just a coaching issue that can be addressed.

Or a movement issue from others.

If there's no bugger moving ahead of him to open up a pass or create space for him to run into then it restricts his options somewhat.

This doesn't help him at all. There were a few occasions when Gil had the ball on the right edge of the box, looked up and there was simply nothing to hit.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Boz on January 14, 2016, 09:23:18 AM
Everyone has their opinion, but for me, Gil is one of our more skilful players, but his benefits are reduced by the inability of other players finding space in front of him. He's probably a little lightweight against some of the Premiership defenders but as he's played more regularly, is coming to terms with these. In technical skills, IMO he's superior to Grealish, who seems a bit limited and is being found out by other teams after he emerged last season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 14, 2016, 09:59:58 AM
If we somehow stay up then yes, move Gil on and get better midfielders in, but he will be an excellent player at Championship level and in our current predicament we haven't a hope of persuading anyone better to come in this month.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 14, 2016, 10:36:27 AM
I don't particularly rate Gill for all his technique and I very definately don't rate Grealish, whether he's 'one of our own' or not.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 14, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Gil doesn't release the ball quick enough. That might be down to the lack of movement from other players
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on January 14, 2016, 11:08:51 AM

He might be able to do a job for now, but sooner or later (ideally sooner) Grealish has to take his place. 

Gill should on the 'get rid' list as ultimately he's not good enough.

Grealish has done absolutely nothing this season to be anywhere near the side. He may eventually get there but I think it will be at another club.

I'm not trying to argue that Grealish is better than Gill at the present.  What I'm saying is that Gill is limited and ultimately he isn't good enough. 

I can't see Grealish and Gill in the same team at the moment, so that means either/or.  OK, for now keep Gill in the team by all means, but as soon as relegation is (even more?) nigh on certain I'd replace him with Grealish in a bid to unlock his undoubted potential.  If he fucks it up then get rid of both. 


You do know he only turned 23 in November right?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: KRS on January 14, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
Everyone has their opinion, but for me, Gil is one of our more skilful players, but his benefits are reduced by the inability of other players finding space in front of him. He's probably a little lightweight against some of the Premiership defenders but as he's played more regularly, is coming to terms with these. In technical skills, IMO he's superior to Grealish, who seems a bit limited and is being found out by other teams after he emerged last season.
This. Gil has skills but he was a cheap buy and always seen as a squad player...but now he's actually one of the best players at the club regardless of his failings. If we had more players with genuine natural ability like Gil, Ayew, Amavi and Jack then I doubt we'd be in this mess in the first place.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 14, 2016, 01:39:57 PM
I think Gil definitely has skill in abundance and some of his touches on the ball are great to watch.  I said it somewhere else, but my main concern is that he lacks the pace and dynamism to get away from players.  He beats players, sometimes effortlessly, but then hasn't got that burst to get away from them.   A number of times on Tuesday, there were opportunities to break, but we couldn't because Gil hadn't got the speed.  In contrast the likes of Zaha and Puncheon were able to transition defence into attack quickly with their pace. 

I was watching the Fantasy Football Club recently and someone (can't remember who) put Merson in their team and was talking about him.  He was saying that one of his real qualities was that he was able to move just as quick with the ball as he was without it.  For all his other faults, I see that quality with Grealish, for when he beats players he is able to get away from them.  There are other parts of his game (and life!) that need work on, but I think he might be the better option of the two in the future. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 14, 2016, 01:51:22 PM
We are talking about the same Carles Gil the little Spanish guy who could trap a bullet and scored our goal of the season? quality player and will be key to us winning the championship next season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
The very same Carles Gil that if Sherwood had created his own bomb squad would have been the first in it with Ayew and Veretout.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on January 14, 2016, 04:01:41 PM
Gil's a good player but fitting him definitively into a system has proved tough. In no small part because Remi is still struggling to find the best 11 and best system we could play.

Gil has quality on the ball though. I do agree that the movement ahead of him isn't good enough. We have a midfield 3 and not one of them is breaking into the box with any regularity. That was a consistent failing against Palace. We got into good positions to deliver but Kozak and Ayew would ordinarily be alone in the box. I think with Veretout improving significantly in the last couple of months, I'd like to see him pushing forward more and making runs into the box so Gil can pick him out.

But these little floating players will often have games where they struggle to get into the match. Even Silva has games where he's very quiet. If a game gets scrappy, players like this get lost. However what Gil showed on tuesday, which I've yet to see from Grealish or Traore, is that he'll work very hard.

Particularly at home I think we need one of Gil or Grealish in the 11. Gil gets my vote right now. And again, we have to remember he's young and he's only just begun to have a bit of faith shown in him here.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 14, 2016, 04:22:48 PM
I like Gil. He has real technique and is an asset to the team.  Yes, he can get knocked off the ball easily as he's a bit lightweight and he has questionable pace but I do think think that if he was just 5% more efficient in those areas he most definitely wouldn't be playing for Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
I'm not that much of a fan.  He has all the skill in the world, but gives the ball away far too often, and gets bullied too easily.  That said, we don't have anybody else in that role other than Grealish, and the least said about him at the moment, the better.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on January 14, 2016, 07:54:48 PM
I'm not that much of a fan.  He has all the skill in the world, but gives the ball away far too often, and gets bullied too easily.  That said, we don't have anybody else in that role other than Grealish, and the least said about him at the moment, the better.
I think he's a player who will benefit from a proper run and a bit of faith. It's the only way he'll ever toughen up. At least he showed a willingness to put a shift in on tuesday, which will hold him in good stead.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: jd_villa on January 14, 2016, 08:21:02 PM
I think the guy is a very very good footballer. But what is his best position for us? Middle of the park? Wide? Top of midfield? I cant work the guy out in this respect.

For me he would be the first name on the team sheet, but where I put his name is another matter !

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: jd_villa on January 16, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
having a shocker...............

I'll get my coat...........
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 16, 2016, 06:55:04 PM
Crap.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 16, 2016, 08:26:27 PM
I'm not that much of a fan.  He has all the skill in the world, but gives the ball away far too often, and gets bullied too easily.  That said, we don't have anybody else in that role other than Grealish, and the least said about him at the moment, the better.

Pretty much saw that tonight, when Leciester got 2-3 round him he had no answer and frequently lost the ball.

Not a week in week out starter for me.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 16, 2016, 08:29:21 PM
Very flaky player. Not what's needed in a struggling team, he'd look good in a good team surrounded by like minded players. We need to get ugly, kick a few people and get the ball in the box at any opportunity, he doesn't fit into that.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on January 16, 2016, 08:33:29 PM
Don't really think we need to overreact about this - it just demonstrates that we need more options. He's a good player in some situations, and not so useful in others; there's still time to correct that, but for now, it's up to Garde to make the right decision as to when to start him and when to use him as an impact sub instead.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2016, 08:34:21 PM
He's very frustrating to watch.  I'd be tempted to play Sinclair in his spot instead, as in my opinion Gil has been the worst player in the team for two weeks running.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 16, 2016, 08:42:53 PM
I'd be tempted to play Sinclair in his spot instead.
Let's not get silly now.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 16, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
Very flaky player. Not what's needed in a struggling team, he'd look good in a good team surrounded by like minded players. We need to get ugly, kick a few people and get the ball in the box at any opportunity, he doesn't fit into that.

That's why he should've played more last year when Benteke hit form.

No issue if he's on the bench next week, don't think that will be his type of game at all.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 16, 2016, 09:11:32 PM
Very flaky player. Not what's needed in a struggling team, he'd look good in a good team surrounded by like minded players. We need to get ugly, kick a few people and get the ball in the box at any opportunity, he doesn't fit into that.

That's why he should've played more last year when Benteke hit form.

No issue if he's on the bench next week, don't think that will be his type of game at all.
Agreed. Next week will be blood and thunder, their players and fans will want to put a nail in our coffin due to their obsession and the quarter final last season. Yacob kicks anything that moves but to be fair we miss someone like that, Westwood, Gueye and Veretout are too nice.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ormy Droid on January 16, 2016, 09:12:54 PM
He's just a bit too lightweight for the English game, and he doesn't show any signs of toughening up anytime soon. He could have a role as an impact player coming off the bench going forward, and that's probably where Remi would like to put him, but to do that he'd need a few half decent alternatives to choose from first.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 16, 2016, 09:13:07 PM
I'd be tempted to play Sinclair in his spot instead.
Let's not get silly now.


We need to buy some horrible bastard to come into the side in midfield, play Ayew in behind Kozak and Gestede and get Debuchy in on loan to replace Bacuna.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on January 16, 2016, 09:16:02 PM
I'd be tempted to play Sinclair in his spot instead.
Let's not get silly now.


We need to buy some horrible bastard to come into the side in midfield, play Ayew in behind Kozak and Gestede and get Debuchy in on loan to replace Bacuna.

We need, say, 28 year old Kevin Nolan to step out of the time machine. Scores goals from midfield? Check. Leadership? Check. Horrible bastard? A little less so, but close enough.

My guess is that we'll draft Bacuna in to play on the right with either Richards or Debuchy at right back. Not very encouraging.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 16, 2016, 09:20:59 PM
I'd be tempted to play Sinclair in his spot instead.
Let's not get silly now.


We need to buy some horrible bastard to come into the side in midfield, play Ayew in behind Kozak and Gestede and get Debuchy in on loan to replace Bacuna.
Agree. As a team we're too nice, we need a clogger in midfield. Westwood is a passenger and offers absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 16, 2016, 09:21:39 PM
I said it after the game on Tuesday, but I thought it was even more apparent today - his lack of pace and dynamism is a problem if he is going to play in the attacking midfield role.  From our five attacking players today - Kozak, Gil, Ayew, Westwood and Veretout - only Ayew really has pace at the top level.  It means we can't break very fast.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on January 16, 2016, 10:51:10 PM
I said it after the game on Tuesday, but I thought it was even more apparent today - his lack of pace and dynamism is a problem if he is going to play in the attacking midfield role.  From our five attacking players today - Kozak, Gil, Ayew, Westwood and Veretout - only Ayew really has pace at the top level.  It means we can't break very fast.
If Timmeh had one thing right, it was that Gil isn't built for relegation scraps. He's got ability but he's still struggling against teams who press quickly and he gets bullied. I'm afraid we can't really afford a "10" right now, short of having someone who can also stand up to a physical battle.
I'd put a pace player in for him and get more width.

Gil shouldn't play against West Brom. He'll get battered. Against a side like Swansea he would be okay. More cultured sides, Gil will have a bit more space to do his own thing. Today was not the right game for him. Next week is the same.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 16, 2016, 10:53:04 PM
He's just a bit too lightweight for the English game, and he doesn't show any signs of toughening up anytime soon.

The problem is our whole team are too lightweight. We could, like Man City carry Silva, if the rest were not also 8 stone weaklings. I actually thought he grew into the game, controlling our movement right up until he got subbed. Our stats Director of Sports needs to understand that despite certain players having a x amount of pass completions and y number of assists, if they're all the size of Mazrim, it's no surprise we get bullied and pushed over.

Gil is not our problem.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2016, 11:03:29 PM
He isn't our problem, but he is not our solution either. Until the midfield is stronger, and there is more pace and movement up front, he will struggle.

I too would go for the 2 big men with Ayew just told to go and hurt the opposition anywhere you fancy in their half behind them.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on January 16, 2016, 11:09:39 PM
We pack pace in midfield to really drive the game forwards. Gil physically is lacking in pace and power and it shows.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 17, 2016, 03:55:46 AM
We pack pace in midfield to really drive the game forwards. Gil physically is lacking in pace and power and it shows.

Agree Ads.  In terms of a physical presence in midfield, having seen him on Tuesday when he came on, I really think Jedinak from Palace would be the answer (he was the one who came on towards the end who looked like something out of the film 300).  He just sat in midfield and did the simple things.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2016, 01:53:11 PM
HITC

Quote
Aston Villa look set to see plenty of their underperforming stars from last season out of the exit door at the club this summer.

One such player could be Carles Gil – with a La Liga side said to be interested in the player.

El Desmarque is reporting that Celta Vigo are keen on signing the player this summer and they also report his agent Federico Marco as making it clear that Gil will not be playing in the Championship next season and that Celta have made an approach for the player:

“His intention is not to play in the Championship and look for teams in the Premier League and La Liga.

“We have not spoken with Celta, but in the past we have been negotiating and we know he is a player to their liking. They made an offer for him, but the Aston Villa did not accept it."
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 02, 2016, 02:04:59 PM
HITC

Quote
Aston Villa look set to see plenty of their underperforming stars from last season out of the exit door at the club this summer.

One such player could be Carles Gil – with a La Liga side said to be interested in the player.

El Desmarque is reporting that Celta Vigo are keen on signing the player this summer and they also report his agent Federico Marco as making it clear that Gil will not be playing in the Championship next season and that Celta have made an approach for the player:

“His intention is not to play in the Championship and look for teams in the Premier League and La Liga.

“We have not spoken with Celta, but in the past we have been negotiating and we know he is a player to their liking. They made an offer for him, but the Aston Villa did not accept it."

Best of luck with that then - close the door on your way out as we will only want players who want to be here (Not you Gabby you can FO)

You have some talent of course and a couple of wonder goals to your name but equally you were as guilty as any of them for not applying yourself well and being a moody bugger to boot
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 02, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
Lots of sideways running and passing, giving up on the 60th minute, and not much else. Goodbye. We've already forgotten you.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villabear on June 02, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
He scored that goal against Bournemouth last year in the cup and went downhill from there. Substituted regularly on 60-70 mins. He doesn't want to stay so adiós!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: footyskillz on June 02, 2016, 02:26:38 PM
Aidos Carlos! More suited to Swansea or Stoke or even a Watford wasn't able to cut it in prem and villa predicament.  Sherwood was right in that respect that gill wasn't right for relegate struggles. Good luck to him back in Spain Dr Tony should try and get him to China league  but I suspect boys homesickness too and just wants to play his footy in spain
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Mister E on June 02, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
HITC

Quote
Aston Villa look set to see plenty of their underperforming stars from last season out of the exit door at the club this summer.

One such player could be Carles Gil – with a La Liga side said to be interested in the player.

El Desmarque is reporting that Celta Vigo are keen on signing the player this summer and they also report his agent Federico Marco as making it clear that Gil will not be playing in the Championship next season and that Celta have made an approach for the player:

“His intention is not to play in the Championship and look for teams in the Premier League and La Liga.

“We have not spoken with Celta, but in the past we have been negotiating and we know he is a player to their liking. They made an offer for him, but the Aston Villa did not accept it."
Didn't actually play much in the Premier League ...
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 02, 2016, 06:26:00 PM
Too lightweight, get rid if the right offer comes in.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 02, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
We aren't under pressure to sell anyone. If they go it is on our terms.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 02, 2016, 06:57:29 PM
How on earth will we cope without him?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on June 02, 2016, 07:46:32 PM
RDM might just get the best out of Gil. Eric fucking Black hasn't helped matters in the slightest. Grealish was another shunned. He'd rather play Bacuna & Richardson ffs! No wonder these players feel like outcasts. Gil started brilliantly but was gradually worn down by shit Management and coaching and lost confidence.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Pete3206 on June 02, 2016, 07:52:32 PM
Bye
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: sickbeggar on June 02, 2016, 08:03:43 PM
Can't see how gil will fit into RDM's plans. You can have a skillfull lightweight playesr in a team but they have to work a bit and not hide after the first hard tackle comes in. RDM played with the likes of Zola so i can't see a fanny merchant like gil getting a look-in
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 02, 2016, 08:14:39 PM
To be a small player in the premier league you have to either have the balance and low centre of gravity to be able to accelerate out of contact (Juninho was a master of this) or you have to be strong and aggressive (Aguero)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2016, 10:06:52 PM
An impact sub at best, probably not a great deal of impact though! Only ever going to be any good if the other nine outfield players do all your work for you. Get rid.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 02, 2016, 10:16:26 PM
Small flashes but not good enough for me.

Bye
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 02, 2016, 11:03:20 PM
good enough for the prem ?

no

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Des Little on June 02, 2016, 11:06:17 PM
I'm 100% not arsed either way
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 02, 2016, 11:08:36 PM
An impact sub at best, probably not a great deal of impact though! Only ever going to be any good if the other nine outfield players do all your work for you. Get rid.

Was thinking like that.  At the time he looked a very good signing, and compared to some of those around him he certainly looked class at time.  But not a player for a fight and it will be another fight next season.  Ideally I would like to keep him, but it is the right move, and we do need to get that wage bill down.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2016, 11:13:36 PM
To be fair I don't think any of the managers he's played under have had the nous to use him properly.  That said, I don't think he has the pace or strength to play in the top flight in this country though and would be better suited to the game in Spain.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2016, 11:13:48 PM
I'm 100% not arsed either way

I'd rather he stayed and that he wanted to stay. He'll comfortably be better than most other players of that ilk in the Championship.

But if he thinks that he's good enough that the level on offer in the Championship is beneath him then he's wrong, and as long as we're suitably compensated then best of luck to him back in Spain.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on June 02, 2016, 11:21:45 PM
Not good enough so won't be missed. 3 very nice goals aside the only times he made me sit up and notice was at Tottenham last season when for 10 minutes or so he (and Bacuna and I think Ayew) looked brilliant. He reminded me of Luke Moore coming on at Fulham in the (again, I think) 3-3 and I thought both had cracked it. Sadly for both it was a one off.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: myf on June 02, 2016, 11:22:25 PM
Thought he was a good player who looked a class above most of the dross in our squad
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: myf on June 02, 2016, 11:25:09 PM
Think it was one of his earliest games where he was running rings around the Chelsea defence at VP. Seem to recall we got beat but could have been a great player with different manager and tactics
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on June 02, 2016, 11:56:46 PM
Think it was one of his earliest games where he was running rings around the Chelsea defence at VP. Seem to recall we got beat but could have been a great player with different manager and tactics

The problem with Gil is that for every game like that he had a game like Stoke where he took a bit of a beating early on and disappeared for an hour.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: in exile on June 03, 2016, 10:32:26 AM
Three good goals and a string of poor performances - I wont miss him
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on June 03, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
Has no effect on most games, a 1 in 10 player. Get some cash, get him off the wage bill, move on.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on June 03, 2016, 11:03:26 AM
No pace, no strength, and what skill he has completely unsuited to English football. Poor.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: brian green on June 03, 2016, 11:18:29 AM
Our problem across the board for years.  Players who cannot impose themselves on a game and flatter ultimately to deceive.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: JD on June 03, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
Scored some good goals (not enough), looked good at times but again not enough and I think if we are going to sign new players to get us promoted he is one of the players we should let go. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
HITC

Quote
Aston Villa look set to see plenty of their underperforming stars from last season out of the exit door at the club this summer.

One such player could be Carles Gil – with a La Liga side said to be interested in the player.

El Desmarque is reporting that Celta Vigo are keen on signing the player this summer and they also report his agent Federico Marco as making it clear that Gil will not be playing in the Championship next season and that Celta have made an approach for the player:

“His intention is not to play in the Championship and look for teams in the Premier League and La Liga.

“We have not spoken with Celta, but in the past we have been negotiating and we know he is a player to their liking. They made an offer for him, but the Aston Villa did not accept it."

Does his agent moonlight as a cup final banner writer?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on June 03, 2016, 11:28:06 AM
I don't actually give a toss whether or not he quite has the willpower to impose himself on games where he's up against it: the lower standard should mean that there will be plenty of games in the Championship where the game will come to him. In those cases, we could use his guile and technical ability. For the slogfests, it's up to our new manager to make sure that he picks the right XI.

That being said, I won't be upset if we can get a couple of million pounds for him to head back to Spain.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on June 03, 2016, 11:28:20 AM
I hate to rain on his agents parade but if Celta Vigo don't match our valuation then Carles will be playing in the championship next season whether he likes it or not. Given performances last season I doubt anyone in the Premier League will be taking a punt on him. Like others not arsed either way he's a decent player when he's not sulking.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: papa lazarou on June 03, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
I think his main problem was that when he played he only made the midfield even lighter and smaller than it already was. We desperately need some size and strength in midfield.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Matt Collins on June 03, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
I don't rate him that highly, but Barry bannan has just been names in the team of the season so I reckon he could be effective in the right set up
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2016, 04:31:10 PM
Good point if the diminutive Barry can do it in the Chumps so could he
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: supertom on June 03, 2016, 06:59:22 PM
Good point if the diminutive Barry can do it in the Chumps so could he
Barry seems to have gained a bit of strength to be fair, and he's also had 6-7 years in the English game now. In any case it seems as if Gil would prefer to leave anyway.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aev on July 21, 2016, 09:15:38 AM
Carles gone on loan to Deportivo - they have an option to buy.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Diablo on July 21, 2016, 09:19:20 AM
Best of luck Carles!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: avfcpg on July 21, 2016, 11:28:19 AM
Am sad to him him go...I think he suffered due to lack of consistency in playing, our plummeting form and confidence and not having better players around him to let him do his job. Thought he was always one step ahead, looked for quick touches /passes and looked lively.
 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 21, 2016, 12:53:06 PM
There's too many with ifs and buts about them in this squad - "he might have been" or "could be in the Championship"
As far as I'm concerned they've all failed and got us to where we are now.  I said after the Cup final I wouldn't care if I never saw any of them in a Villa shirt again, and that is how I still feel about last seasons mob.  Yes there's probably be good players in there, but to me any we can ship out, fine.  So see ya Carles, thanks for the goal v Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 21, 2016, 01:05:35 PM
Yes some nice goals but overall too little impact on games.
Another Villa player whose reputation grew the less he played

Was always very miserable as well
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2016, 01:13:40 PM
Technically very gifted but rarely had any impact on the game.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 21, 2016, 01:43:54 PM
Yes some nice goals but overall too little impact on games.
Another Villa player whose reputation grew the less he played

Was always very miserable as well

They were all so **** last season that by not playing their reputations could only have improved.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 01:50:01 PM
He disappointed me. He looked technically great but he was too predictable and rarely made an impact.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: AVH87 on July 21, 2016, 01:58:27 PM
Too slow and too one-footed to ever be that good in the Prem, should have been a cut above in the Championship but his heart would have needed to be in it to make an impact in a demanding league.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 02:14:27 PM
H never really lived-up to the little cameo in his first appearance against (I think ) Liverpool. Real shame, as he's obviously very technically gifted.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 21, 2016, 02:21:32 PM
H never really lived-up to the little cameo in his first appearance against (I think ) Liverpool. Real shame, as he's obviously very technically gifted.

RIP 'H'

(http://www.popbitch.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/stepsy.jpg)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 21, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
Carles was a Luxury player unfortunately we're in cattle class jostling for overhead luggage space this season and he wouldn't have adapted.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2016, 02:32:57 PM
So much creative hope when he joined. Offered pretty much next to nothing 90% of the time. Wont even remembered he played for us in a few years time.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 03:23:15 PM
Good point if the diminutive Barry can do it in the Chumps so could he

I watched a few Wednesday games at the back-end of last season and Bannan has actually added some tenacity to his game. Regardless of size, I don't think that Gil has this in his locker.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2016, 10:34:51 PM
The only positive with Gil is that he had some creativity. If he has gone, which appears likely, Villa has pretty much zero creativity and appear to be hard working but functional. Hopefully, RDM will get a couple in.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 21, 2016, 11:07:44 PM
Good point if the diminutive Barry can do it in the Chumps so could he

I watched a few Wednesday games at the back-end of last season and Bannan has actually added some tenacity to his game. Regardless of size, I don't think that Gil has this in his locker.

I don't think his tenacity was ever a major issue. Rather it was was his predilection for "the Hollywood pass", as the expression goes, and being a piss-artist drunk driver who gave it legs from the scene of the crime and made an article of himself on a well known golf course while under the influence.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 22, 2016, 10:08:22 AM
When I see Carlos play I find he always move towards the left side of player and rarely go to right side. I didn't think he is good enough for English football and doesn't use both foot enough.
 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 22, 2016, 10:28:18 AM
When I see Carlos play I find he always move towards the left side of player and rarely go to right side. I didn't think he is good enough for English football and doesn't use both foot enough.
 

same as that messi player, all left foot

(not suggesting he is on the same planet as messi of course)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Gareth on July 22, 2016, 01:26:21 PM
Officially gone to Deportivo on a years loan - great news IMHO
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on July 22, 2016, 02:13:22 PM
Great that he's gone.  Not so good that it's not permanent.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: in exile on July 22, 2016, 02:19:31 PM
Yes, I was hoping it was permanent
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 22, 2016, 03:26:41 PM
Officially gone to Deportivo on a years loan - great news IMHO

Great news?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 22, 2016, 03:39:03 PM
Officially gone to Deportivo on a years loan - great news IMHO

Great news?

Great news if he takes La Liga by storm and he comes back to us a much improved player. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2016, 03:46:40 PM
Officially gone to Deportivo on a years loan - great news IMHO

Great news?

Great news if he takes La Liga by storm and he comes back to us a much improved player.

I expect that if that happens they just exercise their option to purchase him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Boz on July 22, 2016, 03:48:19 PM
Officially gone to Deportivo on a years loan - great news IMHO

Great news?

Great news if he takes La Liga by storm and he comes back to us a much improved player.

In which case, other teams in La Liga will be after him, and I imagine once he's back in Spain, he will want to stop there.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 22, 2016, 04:38:17 PM
No great loss ........ totally one footed and the defender always knew where he would go ......
After first couple of games he was sussed
Problem was that he didn't track back and the full back rarely had support from him
Lets hope the option to buy is there
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Richard E on July 22, 2016, 04:39:48 PM
He didn't take La Liga by storm when he played in it before so I would be amazed if he does now. It's not as if he has come on in leaps and bounds in his development during his time with us.   
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Gareth on July 22, 2016, 04:56:31 PM
Officially gone to Deportivo on a years loan - great news IMHO

Great news?

Absolutely, he's slow, weak, goes sideways & creates very very little, those 2/3 goals don't a player make.  Valencia don't sell you a lot for 3m, Gil proves that. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2016, 05:10:14 PM
I wouldn't call it great news, but i'm not unhappy about it either. He was alright and like I think i've already said, I don't think he was quite right for playing over here. Some of those goals were great though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 25, 2016, 07:26:55 PM
It's hard to think of a player who 'failed' at VP who scored three such memorable goals, all fit to win an MOTD competition.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2016, 08:53:21 PM
When I see Carlos play I find he always move towards the left side of player and rarely go to right side. I didn't think he is good enough for English football and doesn't use both foot enough.
 

Maybe you should have offered to teach him salsa and it might have rubbed off on his football skills.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 02, 2016, 06:13:45 AM
Article in B'ham Mail suggesting things aren't working out for him at his current club and he may be returning to Villa. Personally I think he'd do really well at Championship level. We lack that creativity in the midfield.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on November 02, 2016, 07:17:30 AM
i really miss his pedestrian meaningless sideways runs from one side of the pitch to the other followed by getting knocked off the ball by a big blade of grass
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 02, 2016, 08:03:22 AM
i really miss his pedestrian meaningless sideways runs from one side of the pitch to the other followed by getting knocked off the ball by a big blade of grass

I'd like to see the Carles who first joined us. Those first few games he was a breath of fresh air. Unfortunately he's had a succession of useless managers and coaches. Who knows, if he returns, Steve Bruce might just get the best out of him
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
I want him back. Players like Carles are sometimes worth the ticket money on their own.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ron Manager on November 02, 2016, 08:44:21 AM
I want him back. Players like Carles are sometimes worth the ticket money on their own.

I would like to see Carles,Carlos and Jordan Veretout back with Bruce as manager. They could all be very useful this season especially Sanchez.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: avfcpg on November 02, 2016, 09:07:02 AM
Article in B'ham Mail suggesting things aren't working out for him at his current club and he may be returning to Villa. Personally I think he'd do really well at Championship level. We lack that creativity in the midfield.
Article states right at the end (how convenient) that it's a season long loan so can't get him back anyway...not sure how that works if both parties want to end it I assume they can?
FWIW I'd have him back...good player in a struggling team and I always thought he looked a step ahead of most of the team. The one player that could make things happen in midfield in this team.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: AVH87 on November 02, 2016, 10:41:08 AM
Article in B'ham Mail suggesting things aren't working out for him at his current club and he may be returning to Villa. Personally I think he'd do really well at Championship level. We lack that creativity in the midfield.
Article states right at the end (how convenient) that it's a season long loan so can't get him back anyway...not sure how that works if both parties want to end it I assume they can?
FWIW I'd have him back...good player in a struggling team and I always thought he looked a step ahead of most of the team. The one player that could make things happen in midfield in this team.

Wasn't Cissokho out on loan in similar circumstances last season, originally planned as a season loan, but Garde managed to bring him back?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on November 02, 2016, 10:58:00 AM
Gill is basically Westwood on the wing. It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on November 02, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
Not sure where he'd fit in. Three in the middle seems the way to go at this stage, which makes having pace in the front three quite important.

Like Gestede, I think he's most suited to coming off the bench and playing quick one-twos around tired defenders.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ad@m on November 02, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
Gill is basically Westwood on the wing. It's a no from me.

Not a chance.  Gil's close ball control is better than anyone else in the squad.  Some of the runs he makes are mesmerising and it's a joy to watch.  He suffers though from a lack of end product, which was highlighted in the Prem.  Then once his confidence went he stopped trying anything other than the simple pass, like every other player.

If we could get a confident Gil back I reckon he'd destroy this division.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on November 02, 2016, 11:59:52 AM
I reckon he'd struggle more with the physicality of this division and be worse.

Just like Westwood.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on November 02, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
Would he benefit from Bruce giving him a defined role?

Jedinak, Gardner and Bacuna, to name just three, seem to have improved a lot by the virtue of appearing to have a specific remit.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on November 02, 2016, 01:45:37 PM
He always had a defined role - creative midfielder.

He failed, again and again, with whichever manager here.  Now he's failing again with another club.

No point in wasting any more time on him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Holte L2 on November 02, 2016, 03:10:12 PM
Gil is the ultimate flatters to decieve player. Every good touch he has is inside his own half. He's far too slow and leightweight to compete in England. He's not even doing well in his native country which says an awful lot, considering he's technically he's supposed to be decent. 
He'll be better off in the MLS where he has time on the ball.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: AVH87 on November 02, 2016, 03:12:53 PM
Agree with the last couple of posts. If he was that good he wouldn't be looking to come back to a Championship side when he's playing in the top tier back home. He has the odd flash of real quality but overall is all fart and no shit. I remember his right foot being just for standing on whenever I saw him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: levico on November 02, 2016, 04:19:15 PM
Far too weak and one footed.

Definitely not a Steve Bruce type of player.

Get rid with Westwood in January.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 02, 2016, 05:22:43 PM
We need more powerful players with skills and Gil is not the answer. I wouldn't bother with like of Gil and Sanchez and Westwood.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2016, 05:30:15 PM
I want him back. Players like Carles are sometimes worth the ticket money on their own.

Whch of the games that he played in would you consider that was true for?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Pete3206 on November 02, 2016, 09:31:21 PM
Decent player in my opinion. I'd have him back.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2016, 09:34:35 PM
I want him back. Players like Carles are sometimes worth the ticket money on their own.
Whch of the games that he played in would you consider that was true for?
Bournemouth at home, Leicester away amongst others.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Louzie0 on November 02, 2016, 09:38:00 PM
He's pining for the fjords. Otherwise known as the Gas St basin.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy65 on November 02, 2016, 10:23:09 PM
Get him back he gives us another option

If wee Barry is good enough for this division Gill should be as well. Similar players and level of quality

Id have Veretout back as well given the chance
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: godzvilla on February 03, 2017, 06:36:50 PM

Written with that typical Meaning Evil 'Journalise' ( below) , it seems young master Carles is doing rather well in Spain,comparisons with Messi & Ronaldo etc.  So we either get back a fine finished product or we sell him on at a good profit, it's a win-win situation .... keep it up, Carles! ( aka ' Young Twinkletoes', by his team mates, allegedly ).....Godzvilla!

Aston Villa: Carles Gil is tearing up La Liga and is as .....
good as Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi - sort of...


Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi are the best two players in the world,
A statement that not too many people would disagree with.
They regularly lay siege to defences in La Liga, but now it seems they have some competitiom from the most unlikeliest of places.
Yes folks, Carles Gil, take a bow.
The Villa midfielder is on-loan at Deportivo until the end of the season, and it's going pretty well.
It hasn't been all plain sailing but he is starting to feature and make an impact.
So much so that he has the same number of assists as Lionel Messi, and MORE than Cristiano Ronaldo.
Of course he has a long way to go before he can truly stand alongside them.
We are being a little tongue-in-cheek.
Still, the facts speak for themselves!
It won't be a surprise to Villa players though, when he did showcase his skills at Villa Park, he was sublime.
Those glimpses should have been more prevalent, some fans still see him as having a future at the club, as unlikely as that now seems.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 03, 2017, 06:39:20 PM
gil hasn't played for depor for weeks.

i assume he was injured as he was playing regularly for them before xmas.

of the loanees veretout i'd say is doing the best as he's playing every week so would think a french side would offer 2-3m and we'll take it. sanchez has played a decent amount at fiorentina. he played rb v juventus and actually played pretty well.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2017, 10:21:23 PM
As mentioned typical Evil. He has 4 assists which is joint 10th. To show how meaningless that is, 3 assists is joint 24th, so he shares 4 assists with 13 other players. Then we have Adomah already on 5 assists this season. Hourihane has 11 before he signed for us. I wonder if there is a job for Kellyanne at the Evil when she is driven out.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2017, 11:04:38 PM
He's also played less than 500 minutes this season I think, so yeah, terrible reporting.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2017, 11:42:59 PM
I just assumed they'd given him a ball & he'd dribbled it sideways, sideways, sideways...straight out of the Depor stadium
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: villan from luton on February 04, 2017, 12:30:26 AM
gil hasn't played for depor for weeks.

i assume he was injured as he was playing regularly for them before xmas.

of the loanees veretout i'd say is doing the best as he's playing every week so would think a french side would offer 2-3m and we'll take it. sanchez has played a decent amount at fiorentina. he played rb v juventus and actually played pretty well.

Didn't read past this and apologise if someone else has spoken. RB v Juventus is not a patch as a RB v Brentford, he wouldn't be able to cope like the Scottish Cafu
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 04, 2017, 01:05:49 PM
Gil played last Saturday night for La Coruna, he didn't play very well.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hillbilly on March 13, 2017, 11:43:28 PM
He played in the win against cheaty ol' Barcelona over the weekend.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on March 14, 2017, 04:21:21 AM
He played in the win against cheaty ol' Barcelona over the weekend.

Don't remember him doing much apart from running around a bit.

I'll always like him but I don't really see a spot for him in the current setup.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 14, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I actually think either him or Veretout could be the number 10 in behind Kodjia and Hogan

                   Jedinak
Lansbury                   Hourinane
                     Gil
             Hogan    Kodjia
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on March 14, 2017, 10:36:42 AM
Gil? Shit no. None of last seasons fuck-ups should be touching a ball unless they've done it in the Championship with us this term.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
Gil was never given a proper shot though.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
Just imagine having a number ten who can tackle, track back and actually put a proper shift in. Instead of being a show pony who does match of the day highlights shit every so often? Grealish and Gil are both in that bracket for me.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on March 14, 2017, 12:04:21 PM
Just imagine having a number ten who can tackle, track back and actually put a proper shift in. Instead of being a show pony who does match of the day highlights shit every so often? Grealish and Gil are both in that bracket for me.

Yeah, who wants to pick their main creative outlet based on his ability to create things, his defensive contribution is much more important.

For me, the defensive contibution I want from my attacking players is to stop their central defenders and defensive midfielder from having loads of time and space, for that you don't need to be able to tackle, chase back or 'put a proper shift in' you just need to be part of a team that plays that way.  i want attacking players who are high up the pitch and have something in the tank when we get the ball.  I want teams to be scared of over-committing in case we tear them up on the counter-attack, lets force them to be more defensive rather than demanding every player chase everything and leave with no out ball and no attacking shape whatsoever.

As has been said on other threads, our defence isn't far away from where we want to be but we've scored about half the number of goals we'd need for automatic promotion and yet we still have people talking about needing defensive qualities first and foremost.  This is a mentality that has gripped the club for years and I'd love for us to have taken out relegation as a chance to change it, I guess that's why I'm so against Bruce because he's just doing the same thing.  I get the idea of getting the defence right first and then going from there (even if I disagree with it) but I think all too often we get the defence right and then stop there.

All that said I don't think Gil creates anything like enough chances to justify his place but that's what he has to be judged on, not how much chasing back he does.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
So far though, it seems like we have shored up the defence (1 in 5 is pretty good) and had a lot of chances that we just haven't finished.

I'm hoping that we get the balance right soon and that the flair players get a chance but they need to be hungry and play for the team too. When you look at someone like Hazard, he's not lazy by any stretch.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: UK Redsox on March 14, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
Bring in another central midfielder and Angela or Hourihane could play where its suggested Gil/Grealish should
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on March 14, 2017, 12:33:04 PM
So far though, it seems like we have shored up the defence (1 in 5 is pretty good) and had a lot of chances that we just haven't finished.

I'm hoping that we get the balance right soon and that the flair players get a chance but they need to be hungry and play for the team too. When you look at someone like Hazard, he's not lazy by any stretch.

No he's not, but most of the defensive work he does is high up the pitch and involves closing down space, he also doesn't run himself ragged and look leggy when he gets the ball.  That's my point.  Villa fans have, in my opinion, a tendency to see someone holding their position high up the pitch as being lazy and not putting in enough effort.

I think playing for the team as the main attacking focus in the team involves understanding that you're key to turning defence into attack and making sure you're in positions where you can do that.  I've said a few times my biggest criticism of Grealish this season is that he's been playing from far too deep and because of that he's not having any bearing on the game and I'm convinced he's doing that because he's trying to do a defensive shift, he's just not suited to it.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on March 14, 2017, 12:53:32 PM
Bring in another central midfielder and Angela or Hourihane could play where its suggested Gil/Grealish should

Indeed but I'd rather we went with someone who is a little more comfortable drifting out to the wings than they appear to be.  If we play Hogan and Kodjia up front then the 10 really needs to be drifting the full width of the pitch to stop us being too narrow.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on March 14, 2017, 01:14:52 PM
Gil? Shit no. None of last seasons fuck-ups should be touching a ball unless they've done it in the Championship with us this term.

Sanchez, Veretout and Gil would certainly strengthen the matchday squad, but I think they are probably our most sellable assets at the moment and we should cash in should the offers come in.   
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 14, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
Gil? Shit no. None of last seasons fuck-ups should be touching a ball unless they've done it in the Championship with us this term.

Sanchez, Veretout and Gil would certainly strengthen the matchday squad, but I think they are probably our most sellable assets at the moment and we should cash in should the offers come in.   

Sanchez I think is a terrible footballer. His passing range makes Jedinak look like Zidane
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2017, 03:02:19 PM
Gil? Shit no. None of last seasons fuck-ups should be touching a ball unless they've done it in the Championship with us this term.

Sanchez, Veretout and Gil would certainly strengthen the matchday squad, but I think they are probably our most sellable assets at the moment and we should cash in should the offers come in.   

Sanchez I think is a terrible footballer. His passing range makes Jedinak look like Zidane

He played a 60 yard perfect pass on his debut and had me thinking we'd signed a star....
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2017, 03:08:35 PM
Sanchez doesn't have the legs or stamina for the English game.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 14, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
Sanchez doesn't have the legs or stamina for the English game.

Agree. He's played international football every summer in the last few years and never had the time to properly rest. It was no surprise he only lasted 60 minutes a game. Now he's knocking on a bit, his best days are behind him which is a shame as he's a joy to watch when fully fit.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on March 14, 2017, 04:12:20 PM
Sanchez doesn't have the legs or stamina for the English game.

Neither does Jedinak, the difference is we've never tried to make Jedi anything other than what he is.  We spent far too long try to make Sanchez play as an all action box-to-box midfielder who chased down everything.  If we'd let him sit in front of the back 4 as a shield, winning stuff in the air and disrupting play (the role he played for Columbia to convince us to sign him) I think he'd have settled much better and would've been a good signing.  The problem is we wanted him to play alongside Westwood when the truth is that we could only have one of them in the team.  I honestly think that a 3 of Sanchez, Veretout and Gana could've been a good setup if someone could've got them organised and playing to their strengths.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 14, 2017, 04:19:58 PM
Gil was never given a proper shot though.

Played 28 times.

Created virtually nothing and was too slow in every one of them.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 14, 2017, 04:25:49 PM
Gil? Shit no. None of last seasons fuck-ups should be touching a ball unless they've done it in the Championship with us this term.

Sanchez, Veretout and Gil would certainly strengthen the matchday squad, but I think they are probably our most sellable assets at the moment and we should cash in should the offers come in.   

Quite touching really that anyone who thinks that any of the hapless players we released have anything to offer football in general let alone AVFC.

You have to remember that lot couldn't win a regular place in the worst team in living memory - why on earth would we want them back now?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2017, 04:38:34 PM
Sanchez doesn't have the legs or stamina for the English game.

Agree. He's played international football every summer in the last few years and never had the time to properly rest. It was no surprise he only lasted 60 minutes a game. Now he's knocking on a bit, his best days are behind him which is a shame as he's a joy to watch when fully fit.

It would be the envy of every team in the division of we had Jedinak and Sanchez alternating as defensive midfield players next season. I'm like think Sanchez is a very good player when healthy but he's barely had a break. Couple that with the speed of the PL it was no shock he never looked the player we have seen at times playing for his country.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2017, 05:33:24 PM
Gil? Shit no. None of last seasons fuck-ups should be touching a ball unless they've done it in the Championship with us this term.

Sanchez, Veretout and Gil would certainly strengthen the matchday squad, but I think they are probably our most sellable assets at the moment and we should cash in should the offers come in.   

Quite touching really that anyone who thinks that any of the hapless players we released have anything to offer football in general let alone AVFC.

You have to remember that lot couldn't win a regular place in the worst team in living memory - why on earth would we want them back now?

Because they're all playing regularly to a decent standard this season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on March 14, 2017, 06:13:15 PM
Gil? Shit no. None of last seasons fuck-ups should be touching a ball unless they've done it in the Championship with us this term.

Sanchez, Veretout and Gil would certainly strengthen the matchday squad, but I think they are probably our most sellable assets at the moment and we should cash in should the offers come in.   

Quite touching really that anyone who thinks that any of the hapless players we released have anything to offer football in general let alone AVFC.

Well, some of them are doing things like beating Barcelona, performing admirably for Fiorentina, challenging for Europe in Ligue 1, and challenging for Europe in the Premier League (and interesting Arsenal if today's papers are to be believed).

Yeah, nothing to offer football at all.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on March 14, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
On Deportivo, they seem to be a bit like a Midlands football "Island of Lost Toys".

Gil on loan from us, Joselu on loan from Stoke, Albentosa formerly of Derby, Ola John once of Wolves and managed by darling of the Albion Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 15, 2017, 08:20:03 AM
As a season ticket holder I had the misfortune of watching them week-in and week-out.    They only needed to show a semblance of ability to catch the eye and they failed miserably. 

If they're doing better elsewhere now fair enough, it seems they might have found their level.  It doesn't alter the fact that the were garbage in the Premiership.

(And before anyone mentions we're now in the Championship can I remind you that non of the players who stayed, eg Westwood, actually shone in the Championship, so I can't see how they would benefit us in the this league either).
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 15, 2017, 08:30:08 AM
As a season ticket holder I had the misfortune of watching them week-in and week-out.    They only needed to show a semblance of ability to catch the eye and they failed miserably. 

If they're doing better elsewhere now fair enough, it seems they might have found their level.  It doesn't alter the fact that the were garbage in the Premiership.

(And before anyone mentions we're now in the Championship can I remind you that non of the players who stayed, eg Westwood, actually shone in the Championship, so I can't see how they would benefit us in the this league either).

So they've found their level, in all cases it's higher than the one we're at, but they still aren't any use to us? Okay.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 15, 2017, 08:49:18 AM
On Deportivo, they seem to be a bit like a Midlands football "Island of Lost Toys".

Gil on loan from us, Joselu on loan from Stoke, Albentosa formerly of Derby, Ola John once of Wolves and managed by darling of the Albion Pepe Mel.

They beat Chris Jameson's Barcelona on Sunday. Not a bad result.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 15, 2017, 11:06:56 AM
As a season ticket holder I had the misfortune of watching them week-in and week-out.    They only needed to show a semblance of ability to catch the eye and they failed miserably. 

If they're doing better elsewhere now fair enough, it seems they might have found their level.  It doesn't alter the fact that the were garbage in the Premiership.

(And before anyone mentions we're now in the Championship can I remind you that non of the players who stayed, eg Westwood, actually shone in the Championship, so I can't see how they would benefit us in the this league either).

So they've found their level, in all cases it's higher than the one we're at, but they still aren't any use to us? Okay.

Whether their current level is higher is highly debatable.  The top teams in the spanish, italian and whatever else leagues are in the elite of European football.  The rest of those leagues are very poor.  Guardiola as realised this with the way he tried and failed to set man City up against the mid and lower table premiership teams.

You can argue the toss if you want, but nobody in the premiership wanted them and we had to replace replace their equals (if not betters) to compete in the championship.


Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on March 15, 2017, 11:24:24 AM
As a season ticket holder I had the misfortune of watching them week-in and week-out.    They only needed to show a semblance of ability to catch the eye and they failed miserably. 

If they're doing better elsewhere now fair enough, it seems they might have found their level.  It doesn't alter the fact that the were garbage in the Premiership.

(And before anyone mentions we're now in the Championship can I remind you that non of the players who stayed, eg Westwood, actually shone in the Championship, so I can't see how they would benefit us in the this league either).

So they've found their level, in all cases it's higher than the one we're at, but they still aren't any use to us? Okay.

Whether their current level is higher is highly debatable.  The top teams in the spanish, italian and whatever else leagues are in the elite of European football.  The rest of those leagues are very poor.  Guardiola as realised this with the way he tried and failed to set man City up against the mid and lower table premiership teams.

You can argue the toss if you want, but nobody in the premiership wanted them and we had to replace replace their equals (if not betters) to compete in the championship.

Yeah, the rest of those leagues are so poor that Barcelona have lost to the likes of Alaves and Deportivo, or PSG the likes of Guingamp or Toulouse this season; or so poor that decent Premiership teams can't win the Europa League despite that competition being filled with non-elite teams from those leagues.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 15, 2017, 11:25:44 AM
Ok - you're right.  They're world beaters.

I can only assume from your locations you've never seen them play.

 FFS.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2017, 11:26:46 AM
As a season ticket holder I had the misfortune of watching them week-in and week-out.    They only needed to show a semblance of ability to catch the eye and they failed miserably. 

If they're doing better elsewhere now fair enough, it seems they might have found their level.  It doesn't alter the fact that the were garbage in the Premiership.

(And before anyone mentions we're now in the Championship can I remind you that non of the players who stayed, eg Westwood, actually shone in the Championship, so I can't see how they would benefit us in the this league either).

So they've found their level, in all cases it's higher than the one we're at, but they still aren't any use to us? Okay.

Whether their current level is higher is highly debatable...

It's not really. Not even a tiny bit. Playing for Fiorentina in the top half of Serie A is a demonstrably higher level than mid-table in the Championship. Playing in the knockout stages of the Europa League for St Etienne is demonstrably a higher level than mid-table in the Championship. Beating Barcelona is demonstrably a higher level than mid-table in the Championship.

And as for f*****g "Premiership"...
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on March 15, 2017, 11:43:50 AM
Ok - you're right.  They're world beaters.

I can only assume from you're locations you've never seen them play.

 FFS.

Hey, thanks for misrepresenting the point I was trying to make, mate, really appreciate it.

Just because you want to be close-minded about this doesn't mean you're right to assume every other person on this board is.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: john e on March 15, 2017, 12:32:36 PM
i don't know if Gil has improved since he went on loan or not
but i liked him when he was here anyway

we didn't get the best out of him (shock horror) but i enjoy watching players like Gil, Grealish Ayew, i know they go missing a lot in games but then its all about balance and these type of players need to play alongside strong midfield generals, and we had errr Westwood playing in the most lightweight midfield in living memory

maybe I'm in a minority but i go along to games looking forward to seeing the likes of Gil playing i don't go along thinking i cant wait to see Jedinak today or Thor although they can be equally as important

id have him back tomorrow but i don't think he would be much use to the current manager if I'm honest
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 15, 2017, 12:57:54 PM
As a season ticket holder I had the misfortune of watching them week-in and week-out.    They only needed to show a semblance of ability to catch the eye and they failed miserably. 

Yeah, Gil never showed a semblance of quality, did he?







How you can watch our grim, austere midfield for several years and not spot the quality in the above is beyond me.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 15, 2017, 01:03:24 PM
When any player we have doesn't play for us they seem to magically get better.

Cuellar was the prime example.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 15, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
Ok - you're right.  They're world beaters.

I can only assume from you're locations you've never seen them play.

 FFS.

Hey, thanks for misrepresenting the point I was trying to make, mate, really appreciate it.

Just because you want to be close-minded about this doesn't mean you're right to assume every other person on this board is.

I am closed minded for the following reasons:

Gill - he hasn't got enough pace to make space and create or deliver penetrating balls into goal scoring opportunities

Sanchez - he makes far too mistakes for a holding midfielder.  He gave away and more unforced errors than any other player I've seen in nearly 5 decades of watching live matches. 

Vertetout- Meh.  Lightweight.  Anonymous.  Didn't want to be here.  Unlikely to have mental strength for a fight in the Championship.  Unlike to be good enough for the premiership.  So don't want him back.

So there you go.  They're pulling up trees in places that don't matter to us.  I've given you good reasons why I'm glad to see the back of them,

You pays your money, you makes your choice.   

The current management don't seem to be in any rush to get them back and have paid good money for replacements.  Other managers (God knows why) have taken the likes of Westwood back into the Premiership weren't bothered the above.

Seems the professionals are as closed minded as me. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 15, 2017, 01:06:04 PM
As a season ticket holder I had the misfortune of watching them week-in and week-out.    They only needed to show a semblance of ability to catch the eye and they failed miserably. 

Yeah, Gil never showed a semblance of quality, did he?







How you can watch our grim, austere midfield for several years and not spot the quality in the above is beyond me.

He did not do it enough, but when he did it was quality

Remember he was here during a period of complete imbeciles as Managers
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 15, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
On Deportivo, they seem to be a bit like a Midlands football "Island of Lost Toys".

Gil on loan from us, Joselu on loan from Stoke, Albentosa formerly of Derby, Ola John once of Wolves and managed by darling of the Albion Pepe Mel.

They beat Chris Jameson's Barcelona on Sunday. Not a bad result.

Eh?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 15, 2017, 02:58:53 PM
Because we've been so lacking that kind of player I appreciate him even more. In fact I love him. I'd marry him if he asked me. But he won't. The bastard.

I no longer want to marry him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 15, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
Ok - you're right.  They're world beaters.

I can only assume from your locations you've never seen them play.

 FFS.

What do you mean, "FFS"?! You can't have a "FFS"!! You can't try to round off a weak argument like yours with an immature post like that and then dish out a "FFS" as if we're the ones who are talking daft! That's someone else's "FFS" you're using there! FFS!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 15, 2017, 05:32:41 PM
I was at pretty much every home game they played in.  On the whole they were woeful.

They've now found their level or at least a club they're suited to.

I can't see that, for the clear reasons I've given, that they would be of any benefit to us or any other club of a similar or higher standard playing in English football.

A few on here who either watch highlights or internet streams have a different opinion.

However, the professionals who watched them in training or scout them seem to agree with me.

That makes my argument robust.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2017, 06:00:11 PM
I was at pretty much every home game they played in.  On the whole they were woeful.

They've now found their level or at least a club they're suited to.

I can't see that, for the clear reasons I've given, that they would be of any benefit to us or any other club of a similar or higher standard playing in English football.

A few on here who either watch highlights or internet streams have a different opinion.

However, the professionals who watched them in training or scout them seem to agree with me.

That makes my argument robust.

There is nothing robust about your use of 'found their level' in context of saying they're not good enough for us when they are clearly all playing at a higher level than we're currently at and we haven't seen any of them play at this level.  If Gil, Veretout and Sanchez come back in the summer and we decide to give them all a go in this league then there's nothing from the seasons they're having this year to suggest they'd be incapable of doing a good job for us.

Also the bit about professionals is just silly, other professionals thought thy would all be good enough to play in the league above where we are and we have no idea why they're on loan.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2017, 06:16:59 PM
I was at pretty much every home game they played in.  On the whole they were woeful.

They've now found their level or at least a club they're suited to.

I can't see that, for the clear reasons I've given, that they would be of any benefit to us or any other club of a similar or higher standard playing in English football.

A few on here who either watch highlights or internet streams have a different opinion.

However, the professionals who watched them in training or scout them seem to agree with me.

That makes my argument robust.

How do you square that with Gueye, who would easily fall into the categories above and has been one of 7th placed Everton's best players in the Premiership (sic) this season?

Maybe there's a tiny bit more to it than your overly simplistic analysis allows?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Fasth56 on March 15, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
I was at pretty much every home game they played in.  On the whole they were woeful.

They've now found their level or at least a club they're suited to.

I can't see that, for the clear reasons I've given, that they would be of any benefit to us or any other club of a similar or higher standard playing in English football.

A few on here who either watch highlights or internet streams have a different opinion.

However, the professionals who watched them in training or scout them seem to agree with me.

That makes my argument robust.

If you watch the Wyness interview on the Birmingham Mail, he states that all the loan players are monitored closely and if Bruce wants them back, back they will come, It's the managers decision, we will see in the summer if he thinks they can do a job.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: brian green on March 15, 2017, 07:29:09 PM
I have a very different opinion from yours and I don't watch highlights or streams or excerpts.  I go home and away including warm up pre season games. Veretout, Gil and Sanchez are not sub standard players.  In my opinion.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 15, 2017, 07:33:04 PM

However, the professionals who watched them in training or scout them seem to agree with me.


Haha. So Sherwood, Garde, Black and RDM agree with you do they? Well that explains a lot. Shame they didn't speak to, say, the Fiorentina, Deportivo or St Etienne coaches rather than seek your advice - they all seem to find our players pretty handy.

By the way, congratulations on your prolific match-going, that's terrific. Good of you to mention it. Again.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 15, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
The current management don't seem to be in any rush to get them back and have paid good money for replacements.

Yes, it's nothing to do with the fact that they've signed for other clubs under binding loan agreements and can't come back until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 15, 2017, 09:47:47 PM
I don't want any of them back. Not Gil, not Sanchez, Veretout etc. Get rid.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 15, 2017, 09:54:31 PM
Anybody know whether oldhill_avfc goes to the match or does he watch the 'highlights'?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2017, 10:51:51 PM
They all have ability, but all showed physical weaknesses that seemed to be exasperated by the pace and physicality of the game over here, to the point that overwhelmed any positives.

I'd only look at Veretout again, only he doesn't want to be here so he can fuck off as well.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on March 16, 2017, 01:11:42 AM
They all have ability, but all showed physical weaknesses that seemed to be exasperated by the pace and physicality of the game over here, to the point that overwhelmed any positives.

I'd only look at Veretout again, only he doesn't want to be here so he can fuck off as well.

Fair point but in their defence, Sanchez and Gil are probably best utilised in very specific positions and never really got a run of games in those spots.  Agree about the pace of the game though, particularly with Sanchez who always seemed hurried in the ball.  It's was like watching a different player when he played at the slower pace of international football. 

I have a bit of sympathy for Veretout, as he was a young kid thrown on to a sinking ship with a dressing room divide making things worse.  He didn't do well last season, but did show flashes of quality here and there.

Saying that, I don't think we will be seeing any of them in a Villa shirt again.  It says on Wikipedia that Sanchez has signed a two year loan deal at Fiorentina (?) which will take him to the end of his contract with us.  I would say the other two are probably in the £4m - 6m bracket. 

Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 16, 2017, 07:22:03 AM
Anybody know whether oldhill_avfc goes to the match or does he watch the 'highlights'?
He doesn't like to say.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 16, 2017, 07:45:54 AM
Not much point in having this debate as Villa was broken and the players either didn't help themselves or were not managed properly. Gil was part of the malaise. Decent but not consistent
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on March 16, 2017, 07:48:32 AM
Not much point in having this debate as Villa was broken and the players either didn't help themselves or were not managed properly.

Um... isn't that exactly the debate being had?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on March 16, 2017, 08:02:02 AM
Gil wasn't or isn't good enough. 3 lovely finishes makes no difference to that opinion. Anyone can be made to look good in youtube clips and Gil on those 3 would look a world beater. And yet he's not. he's a player who has an eye for a finish and has a lovely technique but drifts out of games to easily and doesn't contribute nearly enough. That he's at a game with a slower tempo and is still not imposing himself suggests that he isn't good enough for the higher echelons. Could he have done it in the Championship? maybe,but I don't think he showed enough in his time here that he would be worth persisting with.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Ads on March 16, 2017, 08:06:32 AM
I thought if Gil could have moved the ball on quicker he would have been better. That's something that could have come with experience of playing in England. That said there is always an issue of him being bullied. Small players aren't always necessarily run over, but he seemed to struggle more than most.

For me he isn't as good as Grealish and there are question marks over him.

Sanchez is a no for the reasons already discussed.

Veretout was a bit like Angel; dumped in a foreign land, hotel room, new born, isolation etc. No wonder he doesn't want to stay.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on March 16, 2017, 08:12:52 AM
Thing with Sanchez is that he isn't as popular in Florence as is seemingly though here. I know a Fiorentina fan who said that he started well, had that game against Juve at right-back, but has since reverted to type. We have a couple Italian brothers on these pages who could be able to update us on him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on March 16, 2017, 10:10:51 AM
The thing about Sanchez is, is the Championship really played at the sort of breakneck pace that he wouldn't be capable of handling? Plus, it's not like Jedinak or Gardner have been asked by Bruce to do anything fancy on the ball.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: peter w on March 16, 2017, 10:12:31 AM
Its more that when he's got less than a second to make up his mind he tends to panic and give the ball away.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: passitsideways on March 16, 2017, 10:45:47 AM
Its more that when he's got less than a second to make up his mind he tends to panic and give the ball away.

I feel that was more because the managers we had tended to ask him to help start attacks for us from deep, whereas the impression I've got from watching Jedinak and/or Gardner under Bruce is to basically not fuck around and belt it forward whenever in doubt. I'd think Sanchez is at least capable of that should that be asked of him.

EDIT: Anyway, I finally had a look around for the actual details of Sanchez's loan, and the results generally seem to suggest that there'll be a 2.6 million pound fee if he plays in enough games, which sounds like a decent enough price for a 31 year old with one year left on his contract, so the discussion's probably moot.

I think if we can get 10-12 million for the three of them, and add a little bit of money on top of that, and possibly sell McCormack, and that really should be enough to fill the holes in the squad (cover for Jedinak, a centre-half or two, possibly a left back if Amavi leaves)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: tomd2103 on March 16, 2017, 01:05:19 PM
Its more that when he's got less than a second to make up his mind he tends to panic and give the ball away.

I feel that was more because the managers we had tended to ask him to help start attacks for us from deep, whereas the impression I've got from watching Jedinak and/or Gardner under Bruce is to basically not fuck around and belt it forward whenever in doubt. I'd think Sanchez is at least capable of that should that be asked of him.

EDIT: Anyway, I finally had a look around for the actual details of Sanchez's loan, and the results generally seem to suggest that there'll be a 2.6 million pound fee if he plays in enough games, which sounds like a decent enough price for a 31 year old with one year left on his contract, so the discussion's probably moot.

I think if we can get 10-12 million for the three of them, and add a little bit of money on top of that, and possibly sell McCormack, and that really should be enough to fill the holes in the squad (cover for Jedinak, a centre-half or two, possibly a left back if Amavi leaves)

Agree.  Hoping Richards will be off (given up hope of Agbonlahor going) as well as a couple of others.  As you say, there should be enough coming to have not too much of a net spend in the summer. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 16, 2017, 01:37:20 PM
The thing about Sanchez is, is the Championship really played at the sort of breakneck pace that he wouldn't be capable of handling? Plus, it's not like Jedinak or Gardner have been asked by Bruce to do anything fancy on the ball.

I don't think Sanchez would be able at all for the second division, most of the games I've seen are played at crazy pace particularly early on. Bruce ball is going to involve non stopping running next season really.

We need an upgrade on Jedinak and Gardner capable of playing two games a week and unlike those two being able to get around the park. Stephens at Brighton would be ideal or a similar type of player.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2017, 02:14:16 PM
Its more that when he's got less than a second to make up his mind he tends to panic and give the ball away.

I feel that was more because the managers we had tended to ask him to help start attacks for us from deep, whereas the impression I've got from watching Jedinak and/or Gardner under Bruce is to basically not fuck around and belt it forward whenever in doubt. I'd think Sanchez is at least capable of that should that be asked of him.

EDIT: Anyway, I finally had a look around for the actual details of Sanchez's loan, and the results generally seem to suggest that there'll be a 2.6 million pound fee if he plays in enough games, which sounds like a decent enough price for a 31 year old with one year left on his contract, so the discussion's probably moot.

I think if we can get 10-12 million for the three of them, and add a little bit of money on top of that, and possibly sell McCormack, and that really should be enough to fill the holes in the squad (cover for Jedinak, a centre-half or two, possibly a left back if Amavi leaves)

Agree.  Hoping Richards will be off (given up hope of Agbonlahor going) as well as a couple of others.  As you say, there should be enough coming to have not too much of a net spend in the summer. 

but there has to be a big net spend, look back on various threads on here, a big net spend is essential or you're just 'sell to buy' which apparently is crap and not at all how it should work.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 16, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
I thought if Gil could have moved the ball on quicker he would have been better. That's something that could have come with experience of playing in England. That said there is always an issue of him being bullied. Small players aren't always necessarily run over, but he seemed to struggle more than most.


I agree. When Gil was in possession he always seemed to take 5-6 touches and slowed the game down. Obviously there was often little to aim at, but i always had the feeling that was his natural style of play.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: Dave on March 16, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
I thought if Gil could have moved the ball on quicker he would have been better. That's something that could have come with experience of playing in England. That said there is always an issue of him being bullied. Small players aren't always necessarily run over, but he seemed to struggle more than most.


I agree. When Gil was in possession he always seemed to take 5-6 touches and slowed the game down. Obviously there was often little to aim at, but i always had the feeling that was his natural style of play.

Gil's speciality was dribbling from one side of the pitch to the other, past a couple of defenders around thirty yards from goal before stopping and passing it five yards back to somebody else who would probably give it away.

How much of that was his lack of vision and how much was that there was bugger all moving in front of him to pass to is open for argument.

Based on the little we've seen of him this season, I'd bet good money that Gil would look better for us with Hogan making runs ahead of him than he did with Gestede lumbering about.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2017, 06:07:02 PM
Gone on loan to deportivo. When does his contract end?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - now officially signed
Post by: eddiemunster on July 12, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
Why the F*** have we let him go out on loan??? Sell him or use him FFS!!!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2017, 06:46:36 PM
Fucking mental. We would be bound to get some money for him if we sold him.

Nearly as stupid as bringing in a highly-rated goalkeeper and sending him on a two year loan.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 12, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
Fucking mental. We would be bound to get some money for him if we sold him.

Nearly as stupid as bringing in a highly-rated goalkeeper and sending him on a two year loan.

What worries me is it might be a tell as to Bruce's idea of a good player. I cant shake the feeling he thinks old style plodders are the way to go and doesnt rate technical skill much at all.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2017, 06:54:03 PM
There must be a reason why we haven't sold him. It could be that he doesn't want to go to any of the clubs who have offered to buy him on a permanent deal, I don't know. I presume we'll get a loan fee anyway and he's off the wage bill for another season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2017, 07:56:09 PM
We paid peanuts for him, he's contributed zip and is unlikely to contribute zip. I imagine we've got a fee for the loan and that we're covering a small amount of his wages.

As for Gollini, his bottom lip came out at the prospect of not having an Italian goalkeeper coach. The big fanny.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2017, 08:27:00 PM
Teams pay peanuts for players and sell them on at a profit all the time.

Middlesbrough might get £20 million for Traore.

If we are going to loan unwanted players, do it to teams who have money to buy them
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2017, 08:28:50 PM
You can only sell if there is a market.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2017, 10:22:12 PM
Most Spanish clubs outside the big 3 are skint and certainly won't be paying him the wages he's on here.

Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2017, 11:50:37 PM
This explains the basis of the deal.  So looks like we won't be seeing him again.

Replying to @AVFC_Religion
Paid loan for one season and obligation to buy after the season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2017, 11:58:09 PM
If there's an obligation to buy, with no get outs, that's fair enough.

I would rather have given him a chance at this level, but if the manager doesn't rate him then it's better to let him go while we still get some cash, than it is to keep sending him on perpetual loans while his value dwindles.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2017, 07:18:06 AM
You see this increasingly now - isn't it basically a way of the buying team putting off the transfer fee/paying it in installments via loan fees? We'll probably do much the same with Johnstone.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2017, 08:05:38 AM
If there's an obligation to buy, with no get outs, that's fair enough.

I would rather have given him a chance at this level, but if the manager doesn't rate him then it's better to let him go while we still get some cash, than it is to keep sending him on perpetual loans while his value dwindles.

To be fair, he is only really ever going to be effective in one position (the 'number 10' role) and we:

a.) may not want to play a system that incorporates that role
b.) may think there are a few players ahead of him in that position (Grealish, Lansbury, McCormack) if we did

I remember one of his first games at VP in the FA Cup against Bournemouth (who were in the Championship at that time) and he caused them all kinds of problems.       
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2017, 08:08:15 AM
I think he can play as out and out winger, indeed that's where I remember him playing against Bournemouth.

Bruce doesn't seem to like wingers though, the boring twat.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2017, 08:11:29 AM
I think he can play as out and out winger, indeed that's where I remember him playing against Bournemouth.

Bruce doesn't seem to like wingers though, the boring twat.

Apart from him picking Adomah in nearly every game last season.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2017, 08:13:49 AM
I think he can play as out and out winger, indeed that's where I remember him playing against Bournemouth.

Bruce doesn't seem to like wingers though, the boring twat.

I can't remember which came first,  but around that time he came on against Liverpool and played against Bournemouth and looked good in both appearances.  I have to disagree about him being a wide player because I don't think he is quick enough and doesn't defend well.  In fact, I remember one of the first few games of Sherwood's time here (might have been against Stoke) where he was playing wide and didn't track back.  Sherwood went barmy on the touchline and Gil was soon off, hardly to be seen again.   
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2017, 08:30:47 AM
No, Gil's not a winger. He could possibly play out wide and drift in but not as an out and out winger I don't think.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2017, 10:51:01 AM
I think he can play as out and out winger, indeed that's where I remember him playing against Bournemouth.

Bruce doesn't seem to like wingers though, the boring twat.

I can't remember which came first,  but around that time he came on against Liverpool and played against Bournemouth and looked good in both appearances.  I have to disagree about him being a wide player because I don't think he is quick enough and doesn't defend well.  In fact, I remember one of the first few games of Sherwood's time here (might have been against Stoke) where he was playing wide and didn't track back.  Sherwood went barmy on the touchline and Gil was soon off, hardly to be seen again.   
Spot on.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2017, 11:13:38 AM
I think he can play as out and out winger, indeed that's where I remember him playing against Bournemouth.

Bruce doesn't seem to like wingers though, the boring twat.

Apart from him picking Adomah in nearly every game last season.

The indications seem to be that we are changing to five at the back with wing-backs this season, so no wingers.

I'm struggling to see why we would be after yet another right back otherwise.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2017, 11:15:22 AM
Other than last night where we played 4-4-2 in both games and started with wingers.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2017, 11:20:54 AM
We haven't signed him yet.

I hope you're right, but I see no point in us signing a wing back if we don't play with wing backs.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2017, 11:30:00 AM
We haven't signed him yet.

I hope you're right, but I see no point in us signing a wing back if we don't play with wing backs.

Isn't the alleged wing back actually a winger that can play wing back? Or am I going to disappear into a wing vortex?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ad@m on July 13, 2017, 12:25:02 PM
Didn't Gil score an absolute worldy in that game against Bournemouth, playing on the right wing?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ad@m on July 13, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
Yep, this one

Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Nelly on July 13, 2017, 12:45:44 PM
That was Bournemouth's C-Team I think but still a beautiful, classy goal. I love seeing it every time. Shame it never worked out for Gil. He and Grealish linked well in a game against Leicester (where they came back to draw?).
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2017, 01:31:13 PM
That was Bournemouth's C-Team I think but still a beautiful, classy goal. I love seeing it every time. Shame it never worked out for Gil. He and Grealish linked well in a game against Leicester (where they came back to draw?).

That would have been nice.

They won 3-2 and kick-started their title challenge.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
That was Bournemouth's C-Team I think but still a beautiful, classy goal. I love seeing it every time. Shame it never worked out for Gil. He and Grealish linked well in a game against Leicester (where they came back to draw?).

That would have been nice.

They won 3-2 and kick-started their title challenge.

And we kick-started our demise.  We were very good for about 60 minutes of that game from memory. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 13, 2017, 02:45:32 PM
fantastic tactical changes by our tactical genius
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
That was Bournemouth's C-Team I think but still a beautiful, classy goal. I love seeing it every time. Shame it never worked out for Gil. He and Grealish linked well in a game against Leicester (where they came back to draw?).

That would have been nice.

They won 3-2 and kick-started their title challenge.

And we kick-started our demise.  We were very good for about 60 minutes of that game from memory. 
The day Sherwood was publicly exposed as wholly inadequate.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2017, 04:06:06 PM
That was Bournemouth's C-Team I think but still a beautiful, classy goal. I love seeing it every time. Shame it never worked out for Gil. He and Grealish linked well in a game against Leicester (where they came back to draw?).

That would have been nice.

They won 3-2 and kick-started their title challenge.

And we kick-started our demise.  We were very good for about 60 minutes of that game from memory. 

Taking Gil seconds after he scored was the trigger for it from what I remember.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2017, 04:41:21 PM
Sherwood makes it obvious to the players at 2-0 up what he wants them doing https://streamable.com/jwz6
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: DeeBoy1 on July 13, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
Still one of my favourite gifs of all time. It's just like good old Mick McCarthy in the hole....gets better with each watch!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2017, 05:05:50 PM
Mick McCarthy you say?

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/01/york.gif)
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Drummond on July 13, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
Sherwood makes it obvious to the players at 2-0 up what he wants them doing https://streamable.com/jwz6

It's so embarrassing that one. If it weren't the fact he was Villa manager I'd piss myself laughing.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: preston28 on July 16, 2017, 07:06:25 PM
That was Bournemouth's C-Team I think but still a beautiful, classy goal. I love seeing it every time. Shame it never worked out for Gil. He and Grealish linked well in a game against Leicester (where they came back to draw?).

He scored a good goal away at Sunderland on 2nd January 2016 in appalling weather too.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: peter w on July 16, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
To be fair all 3 of his goals were goal of the month contenders.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 18, 2017, 12:05:23 PM
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11176272/messi-alba-nutmeg-gil

Poor old Carlos.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 20, 2017, 01:43:17 PM
Better or worse than Snodgrass?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2018, 07:01:03 PM
Quote
Aston Villa are finally set to get Spanish playmaker Carles Gil off their books as the club’s summer transfer business gets underway.

Gil has spent the last two seasons on loan at La Liga side Deportivo La Coruna and played 11 times as they were relegated from the Spanish top flight this term.

Villa owner Dr Tony Xia revealed last year that Deportivo had an ‘obligation’ to buy Gil this summer.

Recent reports in Spain claimed relegation from La Liga would prevent Deportivo from honouring that agreement, but their new sporting director has since addressed those claims.

Carmelo del Pozo told Marca: "Carles Gil's compulsory purchase will be effective, then we will see if he wants to play in Segunda and if he is convinced of playing in Segunda."

Gil joined Villa in 2015 from Valencia and made 34 appearances in 18 months at the club.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: aj2k77 on May 28, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
Good, too lightweight.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2018, 07:16:21 PM
Good move all round I think.  Good little player when he wanted to be but obviously doesn't have the right attitude to drop down a division.  Some money in too, hopefully added to whatever pot we have.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 28, 2018, 07:17:01 PM
Great, how much do we get?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2018, 07:36:27 PM
1.7m, but I'm not sure whether it's E's or £'s.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2018, 07:37:57 PM
1.7m, but I'm not sure whether it's E's or £'s.

Probably in pence.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: sickbeggar on May 28, 2018, 08:09:29 PM
So they signed a player on loan, he only played 11 times, they got relegated but they agreed to sign him whatever? Has Lerner invested in a spanish club now?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2018, 08:13:56 PM
1.7m, but I'm not sure whether it's E's or £'s.

Not sure it makes that big a difference anymore.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: KRS on May 28, 2018, 08:14:35 PM
Good news if true. We should be in a much better position financially if we can clear all the deadwood off the books quickly.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Matt Collins on May 28, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
£1.7m. is that it? Was hoping for around double

That's what, a third of what we spent on tshibola?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: David_Nab on May 28, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
So they signed a player on loan, he only played 11 times, they got relegated but they agreed to sign him whatever? Has Lerner invested in a spanish club now?

Imagine it was one of those deals where they just wanted to defer the transfer fee for a year ..

£1.7 mil so about a 50% loss ....for us thats not too bad
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2018, 12:28:21 AM
So they signed a player on loan, he only played 11 times, they got relegated but they agreed to sign him whatever? Has Lerner invested in a spanish club now?

Way Spainish DOF was talking they'll probably sell him on to another team as he seems allergic to playing in second tier leagues.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: eamonn on May 29, 2018, 12:34:43 AM
Depor are cash-strapped and he's barely featured. We'll do well to get anything like a million and a half for him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2018, 11:32:41 PM
Now official signed for Deportivo - £2m
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2018, 11:36:42 PM
Now official signed for Deportivo - £2m


forgot about him
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2018, 11:38:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3cUvHA5.gif)



And the game that was possibly a sliding doors moment for both clubs

Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2018, 11:40:48 PM
There were some lovely goals and decent moments. But another one we will never truly know if he could have made it because our club was such a fucking gong show.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: LukeJames on July 23, 2018, 11:43:55 PM
I liked him, I've always favoured technically gifted players over other styles.

Also it seems we had a Pelican in our end at that Leicester match.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2018, 11:55:22 PM
The most amazing thing in all that is Traore getting a cross off.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2018, 12:00:47 AM
Supposedly both Wolves and 'uddersfield are considering triggering Adama's £18m release clause.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2018, 12:02:41 AM
The most amazing thing in all that is Traore getting a cross off.

Only thanks to Carles stretching like fcuk.

What's our percentage on the Traore sell-on clause?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 24, 2018, 12:02:49 AM
Gil was great apart from his turning circle of an articulated lorry while he tried to get the ball onto his left foot.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2018, 12:03:16 AM
20% I believe. May be going for £18m.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Pete3206 on July 24, 2018, 12:10:12 AM
Meh
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2018, 12:23:23 AM
20% I believe. May be going for £18m.

Decent. £3.6m might help us make our money back on the early settlement discounts we sold on Clark/Westwood/Veretout/Sanchez/Gil himself (?).
Our new owners must have winced at seeing that shit.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2018, 12:33:43 AM
Fuck me if that overrated prick is worth £18m what’s Jack Grealish worth?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2018, 12:51:15 AM
Fuck me if that overrated prick is worth £18m what’s Jack Grealish worth?

Is it less than £18m as Jack had less goals and assists last season?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2018, 12:58:33 AM
Given the market rate that people are going for, I'm surprised and concerned if they're "only" getting £18 million for Traore.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: adrenachrome on July 24, 2018, 01:00:22 AM
Fuck me if that overrated prick is worth £18m what’s Jack Grealish worth?

Is it less than £18m as Jack had less goals and assists last season?

Fuck me with a Jack hammer, if that prick is worth £18m then our fucking fucker must be worth Twelvety Squilion Eurosquits. Minimum and at least as well. Plus add-on clauses and quiff marketing rights.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2018, 01:13:27 AM
Fuck me if that overrated prick is worth £18m what’s Jack Grealish worth?

Is it less than £18m as Jack had less goals and assists last season?

I’d back Jack over Traore every time if they both had full seasons.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2018, 01:16:33 AM
So would I, but that doesn't mean Adama is overrated either. Over priced, probably, but you could say that about the vast majority of transfer fees now.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2018, 01:20:29 AM
So would I, but that doesn't mean Adama is overrated either. Over priced, probably, but you could say that about the vast majority of transfer fees now.

Transfer fees are simply beyond ludicrous. As much as I love having rich owners I hope they know what’s in front of them if we do go up. Bog standard players are £30m+ now. It’s insane. And what the fuck are Everton doing?
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2018, 01:26:17 AM
I hate being out of the top flight with a passion. However the thought of being part of that transfer circus isn't something I look forward to.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: clash city rocker on July 24, 2018, 05:24:56 AM
In reality if you make it into the prem you finish up no better off as you blow all the tv money on transfers and wages. The only ones that see a big benefit are the agents.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ad@m on July 24, 2018, 06:31:29 AM
I hate being out of the top flight with a passion. However the thought of being part of that transfer circus isn't something I look forward to.

Absolutely.

I hated it when we were paying the likes of Luke Young and Habib Beye 40 grand a week - nowadays they'd probably be on four times that!
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2018, 08:40:28 AM
In reality if you make it into the prem you finish up no better off as you blow all the tv money on transfers and wages. The only ones that see a big benefit are the agents.

I imagine the players are fairly happy with the situation as well.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2018, 08:50:17 AM
Don't forget the "poor" Managers on mere £3M , the going rate, a year.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
I hate being out of the top flight with a passion. However the thought of being part of that transfer circus isn't something I look forward to.

Absolutely.

I hated it when we were paying the likes of Luke Young and Habib Beye 40 grand a week - nowadays they'd probably be on four times that!

We’re paying more than to McCormack and Hogan.

Luke Young wad actually a decent player, just another example of O’Neill’s poor man management.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ad@m on July 24, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
I hate being out of the top flight with a passion. However the thought of being part of that transfer circus isn't something I look forward to.

Absolutely.

I hated it when we were paying the likes of Luke Young and Habib Beye 40 grand a week - nowadays they'd probably be on four times that!

We’re paying more than to McCormack and Hogan.

Luke Young wad actually a decent player, just another example of O’Neill’s poor man management.

He was a decent player - but he was still a right back and 40 grand a week was still a silly amount of money to be paying him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2018, 09:09:49 PM
Previous summer he went to Boro for about 2m and I'd imagine 20-25k a week.

I liked him aswell but that was the time to sign him as he hardly turned into Cafu in smoggy land.

Instead MON was content to sign Davies and Zat Knight and play Mellberg at RB....

Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: BoVillan esq on July 24, 2018, 09:15:26 PM
Don't forget the "poor" Managers on mere £3M , the going rate, a year.

It's a damn hard life, paid this kind of pittance, then the final insult when sacked is some sort of sweetner to pay you of. 
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ad@m on July 24, 2018, 09:31:12 PM
Previous summer he went to Boro for about 2m and I'd imagine 20-25k a week.

I liked him aswell but that was the time to sign him as he hardly turned into Cafu in smoggy land.

Instead MON was content to sign Davies and Zat Knight and play Mellberg at RB....

At the risk of going wildly off topic (and over very old ground), MON was more than happy to buy bang average players for far too much money/wages.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: villadelph on October 28, 2019, 11:54:17 PM
Made the MLS XI today.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Ad@m on January 02, 2022, 11:08:44 AM
I missed this at the time but Gil won the MLS's MVP award this season.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/new-england-revolution/story/4541068/new-england-revolutions-carles-gil-wins-mls-mvp

I appreciate the standard is pretty crap over there but I always felt there was a player in Gil. He just joined us at the worst possible time for him.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 02, 2022, 06:55:14 PM
Would have fitted in seamlessly today with our all fart and no shit concoction of a performance
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 12:44:14 AM
Buendia showed a bit of Carles at his best today. Emi will probably end-up in the USA too.
Title: Re: Carles Gil - loaned out again
Post by: sporty87 on January 06, 2022, 11:21:46 AM
he is in the mls now right ?
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