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Title: 2014 Form
Post by: Rudy65 on December 30, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30620617

Says it all really.

Read and weep
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Steve67 on December 30, 2014, 06:12:06 PM
Not really picks up on by the man who really counts though I guess: Randy. Says it all. Not a good year.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2014, 06:32:33 PM
Dismal.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 30, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
Embarrassing.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 30, 2014, 07:38:09 PM
Pointless... seeing as it excludes the relegated and promoted clubs, and football isn't played over a calendar year.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: TheMalandro on December 30, 2014, 07:39:57 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2014, 10:08:36 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 30, 2014, 10:12:18 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2014, 10:18:01 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 30, 2014, 10:47:30 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

Because I don't want to.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2014, 11:01:47 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

Because I don't want to.

I realised that a long long time ago.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 30, 2014, 11:12:22 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

Because I don't want to.

I realised that a long long time ago.

And you clearly have a problem with it so I repeat - why not do something yourself?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2014, 11:19:52 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

Because I don't want to.

I realised that a long long time ago.

And you clearly have a problem with it so I repeat - why not do something yourself?

Yes we've been here before, Dave. I do often wonder why a high profile supporter like you who edits the only independent Villa fanzine doesn't seem to have a problem with the way the chairman ran the football club during these last 5 or so awful years.
You say you "just don't want to". That's fair enough I suppose.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 30, 2014, 11:24:35 PM
I've said it often enough - I don't want a different owner, I want the one we've got to do a better job.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2014, 11:28:17 PM
I've said it often enough - I don't want a different owner, I want the one we've got to do a better job.

I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Damo70 on December 30, 2014, 11:33:45 PM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

Because I don't want to.

I won't lie Dave, I am disappointed in you. If Bob Geldof had adopted the same attitude I wouldn't have had the pleasure of teaching my kids the lyrics to 'Do They Know It's Christmas' this Christmas morning and we would have missed out on the resulting singalong whenever it came on the music channels.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 31, 2014, 01:47:54 AM
I've said it often enough - I don't want a different owner, I want the one we've got to do a better job.

I think that ship sailed a long time ago.

Right.so go on, if you feel so strongly do something.
Why rely on a fanzine editor who clearly isn't as radical as you, get out there and protest. You have many like minded souls on here, I'm sure they will all be there alongside you as you storm the barricades.
Tell you what, the first protest you and all the like minded souls on here organise I promise to turn up and hand out leaflets or march up the Witton Lane or do whatever else you propose.
Got a nice name for your group yet?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: adrenachrome on December 31, 2014, 02:16:18 AM
Anybody running on the pitch to occupy the centre circle or thinking of marching to occupy newspaper offices in Colmore Square in these times are likely to be kettled, sprayed with CS gas, finger printed, DNA'd and extraordinarily rendered to fuckbeckistan for waterboarding, rectal feeding, electric light probing, ice baths and forced to live upside down in coffins. Not gonna happen. The kidz don't need that fascist groove thang. 

Those seriously interested in protesting should use the Customer Order Numbers of supporters who have been loyal in the past but have now given up the ghost. This would be real leverage and might even influence potential investors. 

Viagogo is doing great business from increasing swathes of rapidly diminishing season ticket holders who don't want to go, but soon we will have WeAreNoGo to buy the tickets from the ViaGoGo people who don't want to go, and then IShouldCoco as the bottom bucket in the ticket cascade. Booking fees, commissions and VAT all along the line: it's all good.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2014, 09:45:07 AM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

Because I don't want to.

I realised that a long long time ago.

And you clearly have a problem with it so I repeat - why not do something yourself?

Yes we've been here before, Dave. I do often wonder why a high profile supporter like you who edits the only independent Villa fanzine doesn't seem to have a problem with the way the chairman ran the football club during these last 5 or so awful years.
You say you "just don't want to". That's fair enough I suppose.

Of course it's fair enough. And I wouldn't call Dave 'high profile' anyway. He dosen't write the fanzine himself, it gets contributed to, just like this place. Anyone could start a protest if they wanted to.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: silhillvilla on December 31, 2014, 09:58:40 AM
I thought the protest had begun already and is reflected in the home attendance figures ?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: AV82EC on December 31, 2014, 10:06:37 AM
I thought the protest had begun already and is reflected in the home attendance figures ?

Yep my protest has started by giving up the season ticket and picking and choosing games. If Lerner continues to run the club in such a shambolic manner including the employment of the current manager and the "football" he serves up then that will turn into a full on boycott next year. This is 1998 all over again for me....
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: rob_bridge on December 31, 2014, 10:09:06 AM
I thought the protest had begun already and is reflected in the home attendance figures ?

Yep my protest has started by giving up the season ticket and picking and choosing games. If Lerner continues to run the club in such a shambolic manner including the employment of the current manager and the "football" he serves up then that will turn into a full on boycott next year. This is 1998 all over again for me....

If we'd had the results in this calendar year 2014 that we had in 1998 I dare say our gripes would be of a different nature.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: rob_bridge on December 31, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
I thought the protest had begun already and is reflected in the home attendance figures ?

Yep my protest has started by giving up the season ticket and picking and choosing games. If Lerner continues to run the club in such a shambolic manner including the employment of the current manager and the "football" he serves up then that will turn into a full on boycott next year. This is 1998 all over again for me....



If we'd had the results in this calendar year 2014 that we had in 1998 I dare say our gripes would be of a different nature.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: AV82EC on December 31, 2014, 10:15:40 AM
I thought the protest had begun already and is reflected in the home attendance figures ?

Yep my protest has started by giving up the season ticket and picking and choosing games. If Lerner continues to run the club in such a shambolic manner including the employment of the current manager and the "football" he serves up then that will turn into a full on boycott next year. This is 1998 all over again for me....



If we'd had the results in this calendar year 2014 that we had in 1998 I dare say our gripes would be of a different nature.

The UEFA Qtr Final did for me that season. I stormed out of the ground and didn't return for 6 years my small insignificant protest at the opportunities Ellis was squandering for the sake of his ego. I realise it made no difference but I'd like to think I was in some way vindicated by history?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
I've said it often enough - I don't want a different owner, I want the one we've got to do a better job.

I think that ship sailed a long time ago.

Right.so go on, if you feel so strongly do something.
Why rely on a fanzine editor who clearly isn't as radical as you, get out there and protest. You have many like minded souls on here, I'm sure they will all be there alongside you as you storm the barricades.
Tell you what, the first protest you and all the like minded souls on here organise I promise to turn up and hand out leaflets or march up the Witton Lane or do whatever else you propose.
Got a nice name for your group yet?

We need high profile fans to start a protest (unlike me), you know like fans who used to bitch and scream whenever Ellis would as much as look at someone the wrong way. Fans who are used to talking to the press and would turn up to the opening of an envelope (where is Fear these days?)
We also need the Holte End to make some bloody noise in protest at the disgrace we have become instead of singing about Small Heath down the road.
Sadly though apathy rules at Villa Park these days.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

Because I don't want to.

I realised that a long long time ago.

And you clearly have a problem with it so I repeat - why not do something yourself?

Yes we've been here before, Dave. I do often wonder why a high profile supporter like you who edits the only independent Villa fanzine doesn't seem to have a problem with the way the chairman ran the football club during these last 5 or so awful years.
You say you "just don't want to". That's fair enough I suppose.

Of course it's fair enough. And I wouldn't call Dave 'high profile' anyway. He dosen't write the fanzine himself, it gets contributed to, just like this place. Anyone could start a protest if they wanted to.

I didn't say he wrote the fanzine I said he was a high profile fan who edits Villa's only independent fanzine. I've seen and heard him being interview on the TV and radio numerous times, so nes high profile enough.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: rob_bridge on December 31, 2014, 10:45:25 AM
I thought the protest had begun already and is reflected in the home attendance figures ?

Yep my protest has started by giving up the season ticket and picking and choosing games. If Lerner continues to run the club in such a shambolic manner including the employment of the current manager and the "football" he serves up then that will turn into a full on boycott next year. This is 1998 all over again for me....



If we'd had the results in this calendar year 2014 that we had in 1998 I dare say our gripes would be of a different nature.

The UEFA Qtr Final did for me that season. I stormed out of the ground and didn't return for 6 years my small insignificant protest at the opportunities Ellis was squandering for the sake of his ego. I realise it made no difference but I'd like to think I was in some way vindicated by history?

UEFA Cup Quarter Final - what's one of them nowadays? For that matter what's a Top 8 finish? Top half finish?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 10:46:48 AM
I thought the protest had begun already and is reflected in the home attendance figures ?

Yep my protest has started by giving up the season ticket and picking and choosing games. If Lerner continues to run the club in such a shambolic manner including the employment of the current manager and the "football" he serves up then that will turn into a full on boycott next year. This is 1998 all over again for me....



If we'd had the results in this calendar year 2014 that we had in 1998 I dare say our gripes would be of a different nature.

The UEFA Qtr Final did for me that season. I stormed out of the ground and didn't return for 6 years my small insignificant protest at the opportunities Ellis was squandering for the sake of his ego. I realise it made no difference but I'd like to think I was in some way vindicated by history?

UEFA Cup Quarter Final - what's one of them nowadays? For that matter what's a Top 8 finish? Top half finish?

Indeed.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2014, 10:50:59 AM
My point was that anyone who comes on here or contributes to the fanzine can start up a protest. Just because Dave edits a fanzine and speaks on the radio and TV a few times a year shouldn't mean he HAS to be the one who kick starts something.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 10:51:30 AM

I didn't say he wrote the fanzine I said he was a high profile fan who edits Villa's only independent fanzine. I've seen and heard him being interview on the TV and radio numerous times, so nes high profile enough.

Thank you for thinking I'm so important that my opinions and actions would be noted by a billionaire 4,000 miles away. I'm honoured.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
My point was that anyone who comes on here or contributes to the fanzine can start up a protest. Just because Dave edits a fanzine and speaks on the radio and TV a few times shouldn't mean he HAS to be the one who kick starts something.

I never said he should. Don't put words into my mouth.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 10:53:43 AM
My point was that anyone who comes on here or contributes to the fanzine can start up a protest. Just because Dave edits a fanzine and speaks on the radio and TV a few times shouldn't mean he HAS to be the one who kick starts something.

I never said he should. Don't put words into my mouth.

There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 10:54:26 AM

I didn't say he wrote the fanzine I said he was a high profile fan who edits Villa's only independent fanzine. I've seen and heard him being interview on the TV and radio numerous times, so nes high profile enough.

Thank you for thinking I'm so important that my opinions and actions would be noted by a billionaire 4,000 miles away. I'm honoured.

Im pretty sure these forums are monitored by someone at the club.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 10:55:14 AM
My point was that anyone who comes on here or contributes to the fanzine can start up a protest. Just because Dave edits a fanzine and speaks on the radio and TV a few times shouldn't mean he HAS to be the one who kick starts something.

I never said he should. Don't put words into my mouth.

There is a plan in there, Lambert has just been unlucky.

Sorry that's not what I really think, he should have been sacked in the summer, what we have witnessed has been the stuff of nightmares.
Can you believe these last few years?!

What I can't believe is that Lerner has been allowed to get away with it. That's the real travesty.

So you keep saying. What do you suggest should be done, and why don't you do it?

I'm not high profile like you. Why don't you do something about it?

That was a flippant remark made in reply to your flippant remark. Don't take it to heart, Dave.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 10:55:37 AM

I didn't say he wrote the fanzine I said he was a high profile fan who edits Villa's only independent fanzine. I've seen and heard him being interview on the TV and radio numerous times, so nes high profile enough.

Thank you for thinking I'm so important that my opinions and actions would be noted by a billionaire 4,000 miles away. I'm honoured.

Im pretty sure these forums are monitored by someone at the club.

These forums are not the entire world.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 10:56:24 AM

That was a flippant remark made in reply to your flippant remark. Don't take it to heart, Dave.

Mine wasn't flippant in the slightest. You regularly say how someone should do something, so why don't you become that someone?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 10:57:02 AM

I didn't say he wrote the fanzine I said he was a high profile fan who edits Villa's only independent fanzine. I've seen and heard him being interview on the TV and radio numerous times, so nes high profile enough.

Thank you for thinking I'm so important that my opinions and actions would be noted by a billionaire 4,000 miles away. I'm honoured.

Im pretty sure these forums are monitored by someone at the club.

These forums are not the entire world.

Never?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 11:00:09 AM

That was a flippant remark made in reply to your flippant remark. Don't take it to heart, Dave.

Mine wasn't flippant in the slightest. You regularly say how someone should do something, so why don't you become that someone?

I'm not the person to start protests. We need people who are comfortable in front of the camera and mic and are eloquent and professional. That certainly isn't me. I'm sure there are some fans out there who tick all these boxes.
I'd suppose they'd have to have a problem with the way chairman has run us into the ground though.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 11:01:24 AM

That was a flippant remark made in reply to your flippant remark. Don't take it to heart, Dave.

Mine wasn't flippant in the slightest. You regularly say how someone should do something, so why don't you become that someone?

I'm not the person to start protests. We need people who are comfortable in front of the camera and mic and are eloquent and professional. That certainly isn't me. I'm sure there are some fans out there who tick all these boxes.
I'd suppose they'd have to have a problem with the way chairman has run us into the ground though.

Just as long as it isn't you.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2014, 11:01:53 AM
My point was that anyone who comes on here or contributes to the fanzine can start up a protest. Just because Dave edits a fanzine and speaks on the radio and TV a few times shouldn't mean he HAS to be the one who kick starts something.

I never said he should. Don't put words into my mouth.

You did say only yesterday, did you not, that you wondered why someone who runs an independent fanzine didn't speak out against Randy?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 11:10:04 AM

That was a flippant remark made in reply to your flippant remark. Don't take it to heart, Dave.

Mine wasn't flippant in the slightest. You regularly say how someone should do something, so why don't you become that someone?

I'm not the person to start protests. We need people who are comfortable in front of the camera and mic and are eloquent and professional. That certainly isn't me. I'm sure there are some fans out there who tick all these boxes.
I'd suppose they'd have to have a problem with the way chairman has run us into the ground though.

Just as long as it isn't you.

Get you!
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 31, 2014, 11:53:41 AM

We need high profile fans to start a protest (unlike me), you know like fans who used to bitch and scream whenever Ellis would as much as look at someone the wrong way. Fans who are used to talking to the press and would turn up to the opening of an envelope (where is Fear these days?)
We also need the Holte End to make some bloody noise in protest at the disgrace we have become instead of singing about Small Heath down the road.
Sadly though apathy rules at Villa Park these days.

It has just taken me about three minutes to find a few of the previous protagonists via a search of social media and Google, if you want to you could do the same and get the ball rolling. Besides, you say you are not high profile, but were any of those who were in charge of the previous protests high profile beforehand? Who had heard of Jon Fear before VFC except for a few people on a now mostly defunct mailing list? Who had heard of the likes of Naz or Robathan before AVISA and the protests that led to possibly the most successful protest of recent years, the £ sign one that possibly made Ellis fork out for JPA?

Go on, you could be a hero to thousands.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 31, 2014, 12:32:43 PM
I already started the protest. I tutted loudly when we lost to Leyton Orient.

There was an audible gasp from the, mostly-empty, seats around me.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2014, 01:58:45 PM
6th from bottom is about right for the form in 2014. We've been ok, nothing more thus far this season, but the poor post Christmas form last season and the post-Chelsea collapse was very poor indeed.

I don't think we will suffer such a dramatic loss of form this term, as we do look solid, albeit mind numbingly organised at times. You feel if we could add some risk and enterprise onto the solid base we have established, that we would pick up a few more points and score a few more goals.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: brian green on December 31, 2014, 02:33:29 PM
Let me ask Dave, how do you feel about the sale of the club?   My view is and always has been that I do not want it sold and I think it was a very bad mistake to put it on the open market the way it was.   My preferred option is for Lerner to take it off the market.   Perhaps it is asking too much to also expect some statement of regret that it was handled the way it was.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 02:37:48 PM
Let me ask Dave, how do you feel about the sale of the club?   My view is and always has been that I do not want it sold and I think it was a very bad mistake to put it on the open market the way it was.   My preferred option is for Lerner to take it off the market.   Perhaps it is asking too much to also expect some statement of regret that it was handled the way it was.

I agree. I think that if the club was to be sold Randy would rather wait ten years to sell to the right buyer than sell to the next Carson Yeung tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: silhillvilla on December 31, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
Publicly announcing the club is up for sale really smacked of desperation. Another incredibly poor judgment call by Lerner.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 02:42:04 PM
Publicly announcing the club is up for sale really smacked of desperation. Another incredibly poor judgment call by Lerner.

At the time he was being asked to say what was going on. He did so and now you criticise him for doing so.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: silhillvilla on December 31, 2014, 02:47:00 PM
Publicly announcing the club is up for sale really smacked of desperation. Another incredibly poor judgment call by Lerner.

At the time he was being asked to say what was going on. He did so and now you criticise him for doing so.
Who asked him ? And I don't think you need to advertise s football club for sale. If someone wants it they just make an approach
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: brian green on December 31, 2014, 02:55:23 PM
I know little or nothing about football.   Fact is I know little or nothing about anything much but I did write a racing column for twenty years and I spend a lot of time in and around racing.   If somebody wants to sell a top class horse they put out feelers to the movers and shakers in the industry.   If on the rare occasions that does not result in a sale an individual will contact others and they will form a syndicate to buy the horse.   It has worked perfectly for the last three hundred years.   The point I am making is that if Randy wants to find a buyer why can't he approach a few other billionaires he knows and put a syndicate together?   If he really wants to protect us from the Vincent Tans of the world he himself is best placed to judge a good billionaire from a bad one.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2014, 02:57:47 PM
Publicly announcing the club is up for sale really smacked of desperation. Another incredibly poor judgment call by Lerner.

At the time he was being asked to say what was going on. He did so and now you criticise him for doing so.
Who asked him ? And I don't think you need to advertise s football club for sale. If someone wants it they just make an approach

Do you honestly mean to say that in May nobody was asking/begging/demanding information from Randy?
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 31, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
I think it was more likely we were close to a sale but it fell through.
I can't believe he'd be that bothered about what the fans are calling for. The decline of the team over the last 4-5 seasons is proof enough of the contempt he has for the fans. In my opinion of course.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: aj2k77 on December 31, 2014, 03:02:53 PM
Publicly announcing the club is up for sale really smacked of desperation. Another incredibly poor judgment call by Lerner.

I didn't mind the announcement, nearly every single one of us was lambasting him for keeping schtum when all rumours we're flying around. It did concern me though the wording of the statement, just sounded weird and unprofessional.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: silhillvilla on December 31, 2014, 03:02:58 PM
Publicly announcing the club is up for sale really smacked of desperation. Another incredibly poor judgment call by Lerner.

At the time he was being asked to say what was going on. He did so and now you criticise him for doing so.
Who asked him ? And I don't think you need to advertise s football club for sale. If someone wants it they just make an approach

Do you honestly mean to say that in May nobody was asking/begging/demanding information from Randy?
He hasn't cared about the fans from day 1.
Why would he bother then or now. The contempt he's shown for us is incredulous.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 31, 2014, 03:04:24 PM
Well, that's just bollocks.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: danno on December 31, 2014, 03:04:57 PM
I think Mike Ashley announced he wanted to sell Newcastle when they were relegated.
They were Promoted, finished twelve then fifth.

Everton have been up for sale forever, and were often in the top 5 under Moyes.

The announcement wasn't for any potential buyers to hear, or to drum up interest.

It was to put an end to the endless speculation rumours and hearsay.
Now Paul Lambert fields questions, primarily about the first team, and that simply wasn't the case six months ago.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2014, 04:14:36 PM
Well, that's just bollocks.

It is indeed.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: brian green on January 01, 2015, 07:36:18 AM
Whichever way you bat this argument back and forth all I know is that there is a Villa game today and I have not one but two Villa season tickets in my wallet and neither of us wants to go to the game and neither of us will go to the game. The two owners of those season tickets have followed Villa for a combined 102 years. Between us we have followed Villa all over the world.  Four years ago this situation would have been dismissed by both of us as unthinkable.
The fundamental lie that everything is being turned around is the root cause of my discontent and the animosity of this thread only serves to emphasise the vacuum at the heart of the club.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
Publicly announcing the club is up for sale really smacked of desperation. Another incredibly poor judgment call by Lerner.

At the time he was being asked to say what was going on. He did so and now you criticise him for doing so.
Who asked him ? And I don't think you need to advertise s football club for sale. If someone wants it they just make an approach

Do you honestly mean to say that in May nobody was asking/begging/demanding information from Randy?
He hasn't cared about the fans from day 1.
Why would he bother then or now. The contempt he's shown for us is incredulous.

What a pile of crap that is.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2015, 10:25:38 AM
If you go back to earlier last year, every one wanted to know what Randy was planning to do. We were all waiting with baited breath for a statement and he gave one. He get's criticized for not being open enough. When he is, he get's told he should have kept his mouth shut. I don't think the statement he made has made a lot if difference. He wants to sell but he hasn't found a buyer. It's as simple as that really.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2015, 10:31:18 AM
If you go back to earlier last year, every one wanted to know what Randy was planning to do. We were all waiting with baited breath for a statement and he gave one. He get's criticized for not being open enough. When he is, he get's told he should have kept his mouth shut. I don't think the statement he made has made a lot if difference. He wants to sell but he hasn't found a buyer. It's as simple as that really.

He gets criticised for the state of the team and the downward spiral of the club over the last 5 years, and fully deserved it is too.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2015, 10:37:18 AM
If you go back to earlier last year, every one wanted to know what Randy was planning to do. We were all waiting with baited breath for a statement and he gave one. He get's criticized for not being open enough. When he is, he get's told he should have kept his mouth shut. I don't think the statement he made has made a lot if difference. He wants to sell but he hasn't found a buyer. It's as simple as that really.

He gets criticised for the state of the team and the downward spiral of the club over the last 5 years, and fully deserved it is too.

And that's fair enough if that's what people think but that wasn't my point. He shouldn't be criticized for making a statement to supporters about what he wants to do with the club.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: Jimbo on January 01, 2015, 10:42:59 AM
Despite Lerner's good intentions in the early days (although you could say some of it was slick PR) he's proved his stupidity time and again. I'd love that to miraculously change, but that's as unlikely as Alex McLeish suddenly transforming into a fearless and successful manager.

If Villa fans still aren't convinced of his lack of suitability to run a football club, just remember that he's managed to make a balls up at two sporting institutions, us and the Browns. He isn't going to wake up on New Year's Day, have an epiphany, and suddenly start making sensible decisions. He's impulsive at best, detached, disinterested and directionless at worst.

His latest act of stupidity was to reward Lambert's turgid, hopeless, brainless football with a silly contract that means we're stuck with him. The really hard thing to stomach is that Villa fans know there's no way out, so here we are desperately trying to convince ourselves that Lambert's 'new style' is something more progressive and enlightened than merely trying to play football. Three words: emperor's new knickers.

When General Krulak appeared back in the giddy days of 2006, he said that the intention was to restore hope to Villa fans. It's now 2015, and Lerner has achieved exactly the opposite. I'm not even hopeful that we can score two goals in a single match. Way to go.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2015, 11:56:17 AM
Despite Lerner's good intentions in the early days (although you could say some of it was slick PR) he's proved his stupidity time and again. I'd love that to miraculously change, but that's as unlikely as Alex McLeish suddenly transforming into a fearless and successful manager.

If Villa fans still aren't convinced of his lack of suitability to run a football club, just remember that he's managed to make a balls up at two sporting institutions, us and the Browns. He isn't going to wake up on New Year's Day, have an epiphany, and suddenly start making sensible decisions. He's impulsive at best, detached, disinterested and directionless at worst.

His latest act of stupidity was to reward Lambert's turgid, hopeless, brainless football with a silly contract that means we're stuck with him. The really hard thing to stomach is that Villa fans know there's no way out, so here we are desperately trying to convince ourselves that Lambert's 'new style' is something more progressive and enlightened than merely trying to play football. Three words: emperor's new knickers.

When General Krulak appeared back in the giddy days of 2006, he said that the intention was to restore hope to Villa fans. It's now 2015, and Lerner has achieved exactly the opposite. I'm not even hopeful that we can score two goals in a single match. Way to go.

Well said.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: rob_bridge on January 01, 2015, 01:49:39 PM
If you go back to earlier last year, every one wanted to know what Randy was planning to do. We were all waiting with baited breath for a statement and he gave one. He get's criticized for not being open enough. When he is, he get's told he should have kept his mouth shut. I don't think the statement he made has made a lot if difference. He wants to sell but he hasn't found a buyer. It's as simple as that really.

I think that is a fair summation of what happened and hasn't happened thus far in terms of a sale.
Title: Re: 2014 Form
Post by: paulcomben on January 02, 2015, 06:49:54 PM
Even the official site makes 2014 seem as godawful as it was: Villa in 2014: Our full news diary of the last 12 months -
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4395265,00.html
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