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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave Cooper please on December 20, 2014, 11:53:02 PM
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We now have goal line technology, so how about the next step?
Each manager gets one referral per game,so Lambert could have used it to refer Gabby's sending off, it would have taken about 30 seconds for a video ref to decide that it was bollocks.
One per game per side, you don't get another one even if you get it right, would add no more time onto the game than a sub slouching off in injury time.
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Don't agree with the rule that you only get one even if you get it right. Say we'd got the Gabby decision overturned then, five minutes later, they get a ludicrous penalty and we're not allowed to challenge because we're effectively punished for the referee's earlier incompetence?
I'd be up for one, or maybe two, referrals/challenges per half... you get them back if you're proved correct.
Try it out in some Mickey Mouse pre-season tournament to get the rule right.
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No, none of that bollocks.
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It works ok in stop/start sports like NFL or baseball. Not football.
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part of the fun/debate is having the decisions. it should never lose that. Sky has took so much from the game - don't let them make the rules
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part of the fun/debate is having the decisions. it should never lose that. Sky has took so much from the game - don't let them make the rules
I agree with that, there's a point at which the unpredictability becomes part of the attraction.
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Couldn't they just stream replays to his watch?
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Give him Google glasses that can instantly replay the incident for him.
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I don't like referrals but in a situation like today would a 4th official watching it on a replay and buzzing the ref to change the decision have any effect on how long the game was stopped for? When you consider all the arguing and pleading that follows one that is so clearly wrong I doubt it would. I also love, just once, for a ref to come on TV and say "I've watched it back and I got it wrong, I've withdrawn the card from my report". Won't happen though because for some reason football seems to think that hiding behind a "refs decision is final" is a better idea.
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You never replay the game or get any points back with rescinded cards, so anything is better than what we have now.
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Wrong decisions by players, managers, referees and linesmen are all part of the game.
If they all got it right every time it might even become boring.
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Good idea. They have full technology in cricket, tennis etc., so why not Football? It wouldn't happen that often in a match - one challenge per side should be brought in.
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I watch a lot more rugby these days than I used to because it is free in BT Sport. That is a great game creaking under the overload of video replays and a law book the size and complexity of War and Peace. Last week Brown of Quins scored a great, brave try that put his side back in terms in a game they lost. The French referee gave the try then bottled it and called for a video replay. It revealed after several minutes a tiny knock on of an inch or two off the forearm of a Quins player on the ground. The referee changed the call and spent much if the rest of the game apologising to the Quins players. It turned the game, it spoiled the game. It is just what we don't want in football.
I can wait for the whole game to be robotized.
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Review it all after the game. A panel of ex-players to rule on cards, dives, dubious goals etc.
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I'd like to see a referee as pundit to get their take on refereeing decisions.
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I'd like to see a referee as pundit to get their take on refereeing decisions.
The Select Group of RA refs are far too opaque an organisation for that happen - with a referee that was currently still in the game anyway.
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part of the fun/debate is having the decisions. it should never lose that. Sky has took so much from the game - don't let them make the rules
I agree with that, there's a point at which the unpredictability becomes part of the attraction.
Surely getting decisions right is more important than the fun/debate incorrect decision generate
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Give him Google glasses that can instantly replay the incident for him. that aren't red/blue/sky blue - delete according to opposition.
Fixed B-)
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I watch a lot more rugby these days than I used to because it is free in BT Sport. That is a great game creaking under the overload of video replays and a law book the size and complexity of War and Peace. Last week Brown of Quins scored a great, brave try that put his side back in terms in a game they lost. The French referee gave the try then bottled it and called for a video replay. It revealed after several minutes a tiny knock on of an inch or two off the forearm of a Quins player on the ground. The referee changed the call and spent much if the rest of the game apologising to the Quins players. It turned the game, it spoiled the game. It is just what we don't want in football.
I can wait for the whole game to be robotized.
Excellent example, Brian. And that's in a game where, thanks to their epic rulebook, decisions to be made are almost all of a black-or-white technical nature. Heaven help the Association code with its in-built interpretable shades of grey should it start down that route. They'll have to put 606 back an hour!
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My own take on this is that video replays aren't always conclusive and may cause even more controversy. Take yesterday, I was watching Final Score and Keown was certain it was a red and had talked Jenas into it. By MOTD the view was "never a red". Likewise some pens, you can watch them a dozen times and still not be sure. I think there are too many grey areas for video refs to add value.
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part of the fun/debate is having the decisions. it should never lose that. Sky has took so much from the game - don't let them make the rules
I agree with that, there's a point at which the unpredictability becomes part of the attraction.
Surely getting decisions right is more important than the fun/debate incorrect decision generate
Agreed. All this "part of the fun" stuff is bollocks. It's no fun losing to an offside goal or dodgy pen. Having said which I don't think video refs would work for reasons stated above.
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I'd like to see a referee as pundit to get their take on refereeing decisions.
I wouldn't as it would almost certainly be the publicity whore that is Graham Poll.
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The world cup final goal was debated for years. GYM has stopped all that.
The unpredictability of decisions makes the game, chat with friends family later on.
Next week we could get a decision in our favour and we wouldn't complain.
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I watch a lot more rugby these days than I used to because it is free in BT Sport. That is a great game creaking under the overload of video replays and a law book the size and complexity of War and Peace. Last week Brown of Quins scored a great, brave try that put his side back in terms in a game they lost. The French referee gave the try then bottled it and called for a video replay. It revealed after several minutes a tiny knock on of an inch or two off the forearm of a Quins player on the ground. The referee changed the call and spent much if the rest of the game apologising to the Quins players. It turned the game, it spoiled the game. It is just what we don't want in football.
I can wait for the whole game to be robotized.
Excellent example, Brian. And that's in a game where, thanks to their epic rulebook, decisions to be made are almost all of a black-or-white technical nature. Heaven help the Association code with its in-built interpretable shades of grey should it start down that route. They'll have to put 606 back an hour!
Rugby has a lot more that's open to interpretation than football does. Almost everything in rugby could be amended with a this is the law but we'll let you skirt with it so long as you don't take the piss. Richie McCaw has made a career of dancing up on down in the grey area that you're trying to suggest doesn't exist.
From Brian's example it was harsh, I agree but it's very rare that you see one like that unless the ref is suspicious already. However where video refereeing has helped massively is in highlighting some of the more obscene occurrences and led to, as Austin Healey said yesterday about Dylan Hartley, a situation where you ust can't get away with doing nasty shit off the ball any more.
On top of that one of the key points of contention in rugby now is about wrapping the arms in the tackle vs straight arm tackles or shoulder charges. The reason it's a big thing is because people like Courtney Lawes hit the tackle so hard that they bounce off the man which historically would be a sure sign you hadn't wrapped the arm. However thanks to TV replays the refs can see that his action is perfectly legal and he's been saved from a lot of yellow cards because the ref has decided to have it checked rather than just reacting. That's the sort of common sense refereeing that I'd like to see in Football incorrect red cards or no action for off the ball incidents that should be reds is something that can be easily remedied without slowing the game down and therefore should be looked into, the key requirement in football is that last one, other sports have natural breaks where you can use referrals, etc football doesn't have those and they shouldn't be introduced by the tech but where we get them anyway using the tech to get decisions right should be a target.
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I'd like to see a referee as pundit to get their take on refereeing decisions.
I wouldn't as it would almost certainly be the publicity whore that is Graham Poll.
They actually have it in the NFL where ex referees give an instant view on a decision in a game and simply interpret a ruling. It doesn't come over as controversial, but then again they picked educated individuals where ego doesn't come into it. You'd have to pick the right person not knobs like Poll looking to sell their next book.
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As long as the powers that b chose to over turn any crazy calls such as yesterday then I don't want to see more technology involved in the game. You have to allow the officials to do their jobs. For the most part I think they actually do that up to a good standard in this country.
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I wish we had a few like the Italian referee who red carded Vidic for applauding him. (sarcastically)
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I wish we had a few like the Italian referee who red carded Vidic for applauding hi.
Hello.
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Hello.
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Hi there.
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Can someone please correct the spelling in the thread title, it's really annoying me every time I see it. Sorry, Dave.
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I watch a lot more rugby these days than I used to because it is free in BT Sport. That is a great game creaking under the overload of video replays and a law book the size and complexity of War and Peace. Last week Brown of Quins scored a great, brave try that put his side back in terms in a game they lost. The French referee gave the try then bottled it and called for a video replay. It revealed after several minutes a tiny knock on of an inch or two off the forearm of a Quins player on the ground. The referee changed the call and spent much if the rest of the game apologising to the Quins players. It turned the game, it spoiled the game. It is just what we don't want in football.
I can wait for the whole game to be robotized.
Agree Brian. The problem is in rugby and cricket is that officials have become overreliant on technology and now refer to it as they know that any little mistake will be highlighted and scrutinised.
The enhanced coverage of sport has caused this problem. People sat at home in and in the studio are able to see incidents at a variety of speeds and angles not available to on field officials. It annoys me when I hear pundits and managers being overly critical of officials after having the benefit of seeing an incident numerous times.
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I'd like to see a referee as pundit to get their take on refereeing decisions.
BT did that with....Mark Halsey.
So anyone opponent taking a quick free kick while he was getting Henry's autograph is fair enough.
As an aside I had a quick flick through his book in Waterstones the other day. Obviously I'm happy he's beaten Cancer but it was amusing reading one of the chapters on his last season as ref and some of the decisions he got wrong "And this player dived and I wrongly gave the penalty....against Aston Villa. I also have another incorrect penalty for diving a few months later....also against Aston Villa."