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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dr Butler on December 09, 2014, 02:13:15 PM
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Platt sometimes seem to give the impression that he never played for us, he has some great things to say about our Sid though...
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Has he picked himself in all 11 positions?
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Has he picked himself in all 11 positions?
Has he picked himself in all 11 positions?
no surprisingly...only once ;)
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He was a great player for us, as a kid watching him, Sid and Macca in the same team was a wonderful time to be a Villa fan.
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well from what people say about him , he may be a bit of a tool.
But he was a great player for us. that game against inter for me probably one of his best
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I read it earlier. I love what he says about Sid.
Gianluca Vialli, Roberto Baggio, Ruud Gullit, Roberto Mancini and Dennis Bergkamp are just a few of the players I played with in my career.
Only Mancini gets anywhere near GORDON COWANS in terms of being the best.
I owe a lot to him. He made me look better than I was.
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"Hellor and welcome to Aston Villa clubcall. My nerm's Dervid Platt"
0898 12 11 48
Nearly lost my job after I got caught racking up massive bills on Clubcall in the late 80s
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He was obviously struggling for a left winger!! I'm just trying to think if Mark Walters had left by the time Platt arrived.
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Amazed he didn't go for Sticks on the wing! And I think Walters left about a year before Platt arrived.
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I read it earlier. I love what he says about Sid.
Gianluca Vialli, Roberto Baggio, Ruud Gullit, Roberto Mancini and Dennis Bergkamp are just a few of the players I played with in my career.
Only Mancini gets anywhere near GORDON COWANS in terms of being the best.
I owe a lot to him. He made me look better than I was.
yes he did David, yes he did...
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Reminds of the time he was asked what his ambition was and replied "to make a run Gordon Cowans doesn't see."
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Amazed he didn't go for Sticks on the wing! And I think Walters left about a year before Platt arrived.
I'm sure I saw a clip recently of us playing in the 2nd Division (as it was then) and the commentator remarking that Mark Walters was too good for defenders in that division. Didn't he leave halfway through that season?
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I read it earlier. I love what he says about Sid.
Gianluca Vialli, Roberto Baggio, Ruud Gullit, Roberto Mancini and Dennis Bergkamp are just a few of the players I played with in my career.
Only Mancini gets anywhere near GORDON COWANS in terms of being the best.
I owe a lot to him. He made me look better than I was.
yes he did David, yes he did...
Platt was a quality player, too.
It's testament to Sid, saying that "He made me better than I was"
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Amazed he didn't go for Sticks on the wing! And I think Walters left about a year before Platt arrived.
I'm sure I saw a clip recently of us playing in the 2nd Division (as it was then) and the commentator remarking that Mark Walters was too good for defenders in that division. Didn't he leave halfway through that season?
Yeah he cleared off to Rangers at Christmas.
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Platt was a great player for us but I can never think of him without remembering the way he used to run back after an attack with his hands flapping about.
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He picked himself ! Sums him up
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He picked himself ! Sums him up
Why wouldn't he? He was bloody brilliant.
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He picked himself ! Sums him up
Why wouldn't he? He was bloody brilliant.
He was but you don't
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Platt was a great player for us but I can never think of him without remembering the way he used to run back after an attack with his hands flapping about.
Mrs Blitz mimics his run every time she hears his name.
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He picked himself ! Sums him up
Why wouldn't he? He was bloody brilliant.
He was but you don't
It's a lighthearted piece and nothing to get our knickers in a twist over. Besides I'd bet lots of other ex Villa players have put themselves in their best 11 as well.
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Quite! We havent had many really good players over the last sixty years, but Platt certainly qualifies as one of them.
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Really good player for us. Not a great player, but really good.
I wonder if he is being considered as assistant manager? His City pay off maybe about to end perhaps?
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I hope he's not sniffing around for Lambert's job.
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He hasn't had a good work for villa for years, until.....
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Really good player for us. Not a great player, but really good.
I wonder if he is being considered as assistant manager? His City pay off maybe about to end perhaps?
Would have to disagree with that Cigs. He was fantastic in his last two seasons for us, scoring loads of goals and becoming a top international player as well.
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I'm not really bothered what he thinks about the club. We ended up being a stepping stone which is what happens with most of the very best who play for us.
Probably the best post war goalscoring midfield player we've had - I would put him on a par with Lampard in terms of his ability to make late runs into the box, though I think he was better in the air.
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I'd have to agree with your second paragraph Nick, if only he could have hit the ball as hard as Bruce Rioch.
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He was top class for us. One of the few players we've had in my time that would walk into pretty much any side in the world.
And a number of other players have picked themselves in these best 11s. He is a spoon faced twat, but not for picking himself.
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he was very good for a time but I wouldn't say he was great. One of England's best players for a period too, but largely forgotten by the press and other fans. I think he was a good player in a very average England era and in the Italian league as it was dipping. He made the most of his talents certainly but not a great.
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His last 2 seasons with us he scored 38 goals in 72 league games. I don't see how that is anything but great, especially for a midfielder.
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he was very good for a time but I wouldn't say he was great. One of England's best players for a period too, but largely forgotten by the press and other fans. I think he was a good player in a very average England era and in the Italian league as it was dipping. He made the most of his talents certainly but not a great.
When have England been anything other than very average?
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Based solely on the level of his performance when he was with us I'd struggle to leave him out of a best Villa XI from the last 50 years.
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Based solely on the level of his performance when he was with us I'd struggle to leave him out of a best Villa XI from the last 50 years.
Indeed.
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Based solely on the level of his performance when he was with us I'd struggle to leave him out of a best Villa XI from the last 50 years.
Indeed.
Also, indeed. but he's not a great in my eyes.
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he was very good for a time but I wouldn't say he was great. One of England's best players for a period too, but largely forgotten by the press and other fans. I think he was a good player in a very average England era and in the Italian league as it was dipping. He made the most of his talents certainly but not a great.
When have England been anything other than very average?
And it doesn't matter how average England are, you don't score 27 England goals from midfield unless you are an excellent player. 12th place in the all-time England scorers list.
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he was very good for a time but I wouldn't say he was great. One of England's best players for a period too, but largely forgotten by the press and other fans. I think he was a good player in a very average England era and in the Italian league as it was dipping. He made the most of his talents certainly but not a great.
When have England been anything other than very average?
And it doesn't matter how average England are, you don't score 27 England goals from midfield unless you are an excellent player. 12th place in the all-time England scorers list.
And came on the international scene fairly late as well.
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He does have a face only a mother could love, and does come across as a bit of a bell-end. But he is was one of the few world class payers we have had in my life time, kept us up single handed in his last season.
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Can't believe no mention of Ian Olney. Him and Platty always linked up well. What happened to him?
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Can't believe no mention of Ian Olney. Him and Platty always linked up well. What happened to him?
IIRC he got badly injured at Oldham, and had to go give up the pro game when he was around 27/28 to get a pay out. He was at Kiddy for a while but can't remember how he did there.
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Platt has to be in our post war II surely?
Cowans was a wonderful player too - but Im not sure he was better than gullit or bergkamp. In fact he wasn't was he?
Still a massive shame that both he, shaw and little could have gone on to have even more amazing careers
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Sid had it all IMO. Good with both feet, balanced on both too. The ability to score from distance and six inches. He could head it also, maybe not brilliantly but he could do it. Wiry and sinewy and ten stone wringing wet but, hard as nails with an all-round passing ability up there with the best of them. There haven't been many better players for us in my time watching. If not for that broken leg I believe his England caps would have been vast.
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Platt has to be in our post war II surely?
Cowans was a wonderful player too - but Im not sure he was better than gullit or bergkamp. In fact he wasn't was he?
Still a massive shame that both he, shaw and little could have gone on to have even more amazing careers
Better than Gullit for sure. Bergkamp? Hard to say, Sid was a midfielder/playmaker, Bergkamp had a completely different role so hard to compare. Both were wonderful players though.
Sid and Shaw had league championship and European Cup winners medals, more than 99% of pro footballers. He who walks on water won a league cup almost single handedly (an exaggeration, but you know what I mean). But I see your point. Even more illustrious careers were thwarted, I reckon, by both injury and by England managers not seeing outstanding talent staring them in the face.
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Platt has to be in our post war II surely?
Cowans was a wonderful player too - but Im not sure he was better than gullit or bergkamp. In fact he wasn't was he?
Still a massive shame that both he, shaw and little could have gone on to have even more amazing careers
Better than Gullit for sure. Bergkamp? Hard to say, Sid was a midfielder/playmaker, Bergkamp had a completely different role so hard to compare. Both were wonderful players though.
Sid and Shaw had league championship and European Cup winners medals, more than 99% of pro footballers. He who walks on water won a league cup almost single handedly (an exaggeration, but you know what I mean). But I see your point. Even more illustrious careers were thwarted, I reckon, by both injury and by England managers not seeing outstanding talent staring them in the face.
Sid was a good player but better than Gullit? I don't think so.
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he was very good for a time but I wouldn't say he was great. One of England's best players for a period too, but largely forgotten by the press and other fans. I think he was a good player in a very average England era and in the Italian league as it was dipping. He made the most of his talents certainly but not a great.
Of course he was a great - both for Villa and England. Outside of McGrath, he's just about the best we've had since our League/European Cup winning squad. I'd rank him above the Barry, Yorke and Laursen who are would be in the next rank.
And the England side he played in (and captained) was far better than the England side we have now.
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Platt or Merson?
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Platt or Merson?
Not even close, Platt.
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Really good player for us. Not a great player, but really good.
I wonder if he is being considered as assistant manager? His City pay off maybe about to end perhaps?
Would have to disagree with that Cigs. He was fantastic in his last two seasons for us, scoring loads of goals and becoming a top international player as well.
Fair do's.
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Cowans wasn't better than gullit, come on!
There's a reason gullit went to ac Milan and sid went to Bari
He's a villa great and it's great to see platt's comments but gullit is one of the all time Dutch greats!
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Platt has always been one if my all time top Villa players. He was one of my first Heros as a kid and and his record for us from midfield was outstanding. Most definitely a former great.
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David Platt was one of the common anomalies thrown up by sport namely a truly brilliant player but a very average man. As for Sid I would not demean him by comparing him with players who never had the honour of wearing the claret and blue and I rate him on the podium with Peter McParland and Paul McGrath as the finest players of the game in the Villa pantheon that I have seen.
My greatest regret is that due to the chaotic muddle and mismanagement at the club in recent times we shall not see Christian Benteke scale those heights with Villa. Yes, I think Benteke is that good.
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25 goals from midfield two seasons running. That's a pretty high ratio and we've had no one as prolific in that position since. I'd be surprised if any Villa midfielder has hit even double figures since (in the league at least) - Garry Parker hit 9 once and Gareth Barry scored a lot of penalties one season but even Ian Taylor wasn't mega prolific. And Platty was very under-rated technically. Look at some of the goals he scored in 89-90, was it Arsenal where he controlled the ball in midair with one touch and then volleyed it with the other past David Seaman. And he was PFA Player of the Year. Its easy to knock him because he glosses over the time he was here but lets face it, he was class for those 3-4 seasons he played at Villa. I wonder how many Villa fans who got into football in the late 80s like I did would include him in their best XI? He sure makes mine.
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Merson was a different kind of player, a creator who occasionally scored stunning goals. Platt was box to box goalscoring midfielder.
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Merson was a different kind of player, a creator who occasionally scored stunning goals. Platt was box to box goalscoring midfielder.
I could see him playing in the "number 10" role in the modern game.
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Platt scoring an overhead kick, TWO years ago:
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Platt as big a spoon face as he is was quality and the best midfielder I've seen down the Villa for 25 years.
Platt, Cowans, Mcgrath, Neilsen, Mcinally. Now there is a strong spine to the team. Taylor working his magic in the market there.
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Platt as big a spoon face as he is was quality and the best midfielder I've seen down the Villa for 25 years.
Platt, Cowans, Mcgrath, Neilsen, Mcinally. Now there is a strong spine to the team. Taylor working his magic in the market there.
Don't forget the likes of Spink and Daley were inherited as well. If we'd had a profilic striker in the 89-90 season, we might well have got over the line.
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Thanks to A View from L6 for this footage of that goal vs Arsenal
https://twitter.com/villaviewfromL6/status/456896805469290497 (https://twitter.com/villaviewfromL6/status/456896805469290497)
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Thanks to A View from L6 for this footage of that goal vs Arsenal
https://twitter.com/villaviewfromL6/status/456896805469290497 (https://twitter.com/villaviewfromL6/status/456896805469290497)
happy days. And of course he scored the goal against Bradford. Promotion clincher.
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Thanks to A View from L6 for this footage of that goal vs Arsenal
https://twitter.com/villaviewfromL6/status/456896805469290497 (https://twitter.com/villaviewfromL6/status/456896805469290497)
happy days. And of course he scored the goal against Bradford. Promotion clincher.
Technically, not the promotion clincher. Still a wonderful moment when he scored though in the days when 36,000, or whatever it was, seemed like a massive crowd
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It would feel like a massive crowd now mate given the recent attendances!
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Villa fans who only know Platt for his post playing career missed out on watching one of the best players in his position in Europe for a good number of years. He was superb for us and so very influential in the positive direction we were headed as a club at the time. He was Lampard before Lampard and could do just about everything you would ever want to see in an attacking midfielder. Great instincts and awareness and such great timing to get behind defences. My favorite Platt Villa goal was a critical bullet header against Bradford at home. I think it was at the North, cross from the right by Gage powered into the roof of the net. We needed that win, but there are so many others that he scored that you could make an argument for a lot of other great goals. For me he should always be the best XI Villa side based on my time watching the club along with Sid and McGrath.
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I did like David Platt and he along with McGrath and Yorke must rate as three of our best signings.
All by the same manager too.
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Villa fans who only know Platt for his post playing career missed out on watching one of the best players in his position in Europe for a good number of years. He was superb for us and so very influential in the positive direction we were headed as a club at the time. He was Lampard before Lampard and could do just about everything you would ever want to see in an attacking midfielder. Great instincts and awareness and such great timing to get behind defences. My favorite Platt Villa goal was a critical bullet header against Bradford at home. I think it was at the North, cross from the right by Gage powered into the roof of the net. We needed that win, but there are so many others that he scored that you could make an argument for a lot of other great goals. For me he should always be the best XI Villa side based on my time watching the club along with Sid and McGrath.
Totally agree. The other things to remember with Platty was that he was only 21 when he scored that vital winner against Bradford, had been at the club only a couple of months, had been bought for a couple of hundred grand from a lower league team and was only a squad player.
He was the equivalent of a Jordan Bowery signing.
Sir Graham managed to get us Platty and McGrath for peanuts, plus Dwight Yorke for nothing. What a fantastic Manager.
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When I lived in France I heard a former French national manager (Henri Michel I think) commentating on England v Holland at Wembley (2-2 draw under Graham Taylor).
Platt played, and scored IIRC, and Michel quoted Cantona saying something along the lines of "Platt is an average player, nothing exceptional in terms of pace, skill, strength etc. But he is always in the right place at the right time." Which was exceptional.
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More England goals than Gerrard, Beckham, Robson, Hurst, Scholes, Keegan, Peters, Gascoigne, Barnes, Sheringham and only a couple short of Lampard and Shearer with less penalties than both. He never really gets a mention as an England player by the mainstream media and their love ins but the guy was a great midfielder and could time a run like no other I've seen in the flesh.
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More England goals than Gerrard, Beckham, Robson, Hurst, Scholes, Keegan, Peters, Gascoigne, Barnes, Sheringham and only a couple short of Lampard and Shearer with less penalties than both. He never really gets a mention as an England player by the mainstream media and their love ins but the guy was a great midfielder and could time a run like no other I've seen in the flesh.
Especially as he scored one of the most iconic England goals of all time.
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More England goals than Gerrard, Beckham, Robson, Hurst, Scholes, Keegan, Peters, Gascoigne, Barnes, Sheringham and only a couple short of Lampard and Shearer with less penalties than both. He never really gets a mention as an England player by the mainstream media and their love ins but the guy was a great midfielder and could time a run like no other I've seen in the flesh.
Especially as he scored one of the most iconic England goals of all time.
The most abiding memory of that World Cup in the media would be Gazza and his tears, Platt had a better tournament for me and scored goal of the tournament.
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His timing of runs into the box was almost uncanny. My memory of Platt for Villa was an away game at Derby where - I'm sure - he scored two goals; nothing flashy, but just brilliantly timed.
Shame he's a fathead now, really.
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he was very good for a time but I wouldn't say he was great. One of England's best players for a period too, but largely forgotten by the press and other fans. I think he was a good player in a very average England era and in the Italian league as it was dipping. He made the most of his talents certainly but not a great.
I wish finishing fourth in the World Cup was average for England but it remains our second best finish in the competition.
Serie A was also by far the best league back in the 90's. They wouldn't be overtaken for another decade or so.
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he was very good for a time but I wouldn't say he was great. One of England's best players for a period too, but largely forgotten by the press and other fans. I think he was a good player in a very average England era and in the Italian league as it was dipping. He made the most of his talents certainly but not a great.
I wish finishing fourth in the World Cup was average for England but it remains our second best finish in the competition.
Serie A was also by far the best league back in the 90's. They wouldn't be overtaken for another decade or so.
Platt was also in the Euro 96 team that got to the semi-finals, and just missed out on penalties again.
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He was an absolutely fantastic player for us and England. Amazing how little credit he gets nowadays.
I've never been as confident of any Villa player scoring a one on one as I was with him. He was unerring.
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He does have a face only a mother could love, and does come across as a bit of a bell-end. But he is was one of the few world class payers we have had in my life time, kept us up single handed in his last season.
Spot on that.
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Does anyone remember the cup game v Milan, in the days when a goalkeeper could pick up a back pass, when Platt, on the touchline in front of the Trinity Road, defied a crowded goalmouth by striking a superb volley straight into the arms of our keeper?
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As picked up by others the generation of the England team with Platt was pretty damn good?
Italy 90' and Euro '94 was two tournaments which we were very unlucky and at the time gutting to not win either but after the years which have passed it's left find memories.
He was a great, no doubts about it.
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My best memory of him was at Molyneux playing for Crewe. The Villa game had been frozen off so we went to Wolves to see their game. Platt collected a ball in his own penalty area and ran directly at Wolves. One after another they tried to hack him down but he skipped through their lunges like a mouse in a threshing machine then finished off with a clinical goal. When we got him it was an absolute steal.
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I liked Platt a lot until he pissed off to Bari.
I loved Sid though, amazing to watch and definitely in my first choice XI.
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Sid pissed off to Bari too...
At least Big Ron was able to use the Platt money to build a title-challenging squad. And rather Bari than Man U or Liverpool.
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Sid pissed off to Bari too...
As did Paul Rideout.
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His goal against Belgium in the World Cup remains one of my proudest moments to be a Villa fan.
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Platt was brilliant for us, a genuinely top class player, one of the few we've had,
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Sid pissed off to Bari too...
At least Big Ron was able to use the Platt money to build a title-challenging squad. And rather Bari than Man U or Liverpool.
It doesn't matter. That doesn't suit my argument that Sid is a legend.
(I did really like Platt at the time and became popular for a while when that goal against Belgium went in)
However, Sid is just one of my favourites.
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When he was at Villa, he lived a few doors away from my parents. In fact a couple of times my Dad was charged with looking after his house when he was away. I was told that he was learning Italian for some time before his move to Bari.
Like many others have said - great player, I loved all the energy and all the goals from midfield and his wonderful midfield partnership with Sid. Yes, he's pretty unlikeable now, but we made (for the time) a huge profit on him which paid (as I see it) for the Witton Lane Stand redevelopment/Big Ron's rebuilding project, and besides, you can't convince or force anyone to love a club. Even, sadly, the greatest club in the world.
He did run a bit like Forrest Gump, though.
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Platt or Merson?
Not even close, Platt.
I asked because, although Platt was a outstanding player who contributed a lot to the Villa, Merson is the post-82 midfielder I would actually pay over the odds to watch. That right foot was indeed magic.
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Merson was magic, no doubt. He isn't Platt though. Platt was just so brilliantly efficient and what he was able to do. Like I said the closest thing to Lampard if you want a modern day comparison without the pointing at the sky bollocks every time.
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Platt or Merson?
Not even close, Platt.
I asked because, although Platt was a outstanding player who contributed a lot to the Villa, Merson is the post-82 midfielder I would actually pay over the odds to watch. That right foot was indeed magic.
I've always thought he would have been ideal for the "number 10" role, but mostly played at a time when it wasn't a position used by teams in this country. In terms of English players, Matt Le Tissier is another one who would have been really suited to that position.
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Merson was magic, no doubt. He isn't Platt though. Platt was just so brilliantly efficient and what he was able to do. Like I said the closest thing to Lampard if you want a modern day comparison without the pointing at the sky bollocks every time.
I would actually rate Platt as a better footballer than Lampard. Yes, Lampard's probably achieved more in the game, but he's consistently played in better teams than Platt. A large portion of his goals have come from speculative long distance efforts too, whereas Platt was always about perfectly timing his runs into the box. As a finisher, he was better than most strikers too.
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Platt also scored what should have been the winner in the 1990 World Cup semi-final, second half extra time.
Have a look at this, about 1hr 55 mins in. Brian Moore says it was offside in a matter of fact way, but I'm not so sure.
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I can't remember what the law was back then as it has changed a few times. There was a time when being level was offside, and also any player was offside none of this interfering with play stuff, so it doesn't look offside now but may well have been back then.
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These days, Brehme's challenge that led to that free kick would likely be a red-card offence.
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These days, Brehme's challenge that led to that free kick would likely be a red-card offence.
Agreed, good to see Gazza's reaction though.
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I read it earlier. I love what he says about Sid.
Gianluca Vialli, Roberto Baggio, Ruud Gullit, Roberto Mancini and Dennis Bergkamp are just a few of the players I played with in my career.
Only Mancini gets anywhere near GORDON COWANS in terms of being the best.
I owe a lot to him. He made me look better than I was.
That's an incredible quote from Platy, did he actually say that ?
I've never seen that before, it's amazing
And to think Crops could have been even better, (nice little reminder before the weekend)
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I can't remember what the law was back then as it has changed a few times. There was a time when being level was offside, and also any player was offside none of this interfering with play stuff, so it doesn't look offside now but may well have been back then.
The offside law changed for the start of the 1990-91 season to make being level onside.
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Is that when they brought in the back pass rule as well? It's all a bit of a blur these days.
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Is that when they brought in the back pass rule as well? It's all a bit of a blur these days.
Back pass was at the start of 1992-93.
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Platt was only second to McGrath in the past 25 years of Villa players. He may not have been as good a 'footballer' as Cowans, Yorke and possibly even Barry but his ability to dominate a game, his runs from midfield into the box and from that his goal record were unbelievable. Fabulous player.
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He pulled off some of the most extravagent backpasses ever seen on British soil. Before he became too big for his boots he was, apparently teased by the rest of the England squad for his provincialness and nicknamed 'Doug' as he was always banging on about HDE. Maybe that explains his later efforts to become uber continental.
Does anyone remember him kicking off a VP testimonial wearing a Bari strip? Charmless nerk. Why that was indulged I dont know.
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It saddens me a little what happened to Platt in our eyes. It wasn't all his fault but whatever it was he has maximized his attempts to distance himself from the club for a number of years now. We gave him his chance, he took it and then some, and since then he has acted like he was always too big for us. Shame really.
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Does anyone remember him kicking off a VP testimonial wearing a Bari strip?
Paul Birch's testimonial against Wolves in August 1991.
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Is that when they brought in the back pass rule as well? It's all a bit of a blur these days.
Back pass was at the start of 1992-93.
The removal of the back pass effectively ended my soccer career
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Is that when they brought in the back pass rule as well? It's all a bit of a blur these days.
Back pass was at the start of 1992-93.
The removal of the back pass effectively ended my soccer career
You are Mark Bosnich and I claim my £5.
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Is that when they brought in the back pass rule as well? It's all a bit of a blur these days.
Back pass was at the start of 1992-93.
The removal of the back pass effectively ended my soccer career
I know how you feel, I had to start actually passing the ball to other players, or more commonly blootering it as hard as I could up the pitch. I wasn't a defender you could say was comfortable on the ball!
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It saddens me a little what happened to Platt in our eyes. It wasn't all his fault but whatever it was he has maximized his attempts to distance himself from the club for a number of years now. We gave him his chance, he took it and then some, and since then he has acted like he was always too big for us. Shame really.
I haven't got a problem with that. He did it on the pitch which is all that matters in the grand scheme of things. The fact that he isn't a cheerleader for the club in the way Ian Taylor is means nothing to me.
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Is that when they brought in the back pass rule as well? It's all a bit of a blur these days.
Back pass was at the start of 1992-93.
The removal of the back pass effectively ended my soccer career
I know how you feel, I had to start actually passing the ball to other players, or more commonly blootering it as hard as I could up the pitch. I wasn't a defender you could say was comfortable on the ball!
I was living and playing in France when the back pass law came in and was not too good on the ball myself. My style evolved overnight from being a one trick back pass pony to a one trick shirt pulling pony. When going through the man to get the ball was outlawed I had to retire.
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It saddens me a little what happened to Platt in our eyes. It wasn't all his fault but whatever it was he has maximized his attempts to distance himself from the club for a number of years now. We gave him his chance, he took it and then some, and since then he has acted like he was always too big for us. Shame really.
I haven't got a problem with that. He did it on the pitch which is all that matters in the grand scheme of things. The fact that he isn't a cheerleader for the club in the way Ian Taylor is means nothing to me.
He doesn't need to be a cheerleader. But have some respect or appreciation. There's a healthy middle ground between where he is and Ian Taylor.
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Platt was a class act for Villa (and England), a real box to box midfielder and it is a shame he has not shown appreciation for his time at Villa on occasions. As for Sid, he was a great player for Villa, but to say he was better than Gullitt is being more than a touch biased.
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It saddens me a little what happened to Platt in our eyes. It wasn't all his fault but whatever it was he has maximized his attempts to distance himself from the club for a number of years now. We gave him his chance, he took it and then some, and since then he has acted like he was always too big for us. Shame really.
I haven't got a problem with that. He did it on the pitch which is all that matters in the grand scheme of things. The fact that he isn't a cheerleader for the club in the way Ian Taylor is means nothing to me.
He doesn't need to be a cheerleader. But have some respect or appreciation. There's a healthy middle ground between where he is and Ian Taylor.
Perhaps he's said some disrespectful things about Villa? I've never seen anything.
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I not sure about whether or not he's said anything disrespectful. More that he's almost gone out of his way not to acknowledge his time at the club and what it did to launch his career. I suppose on some way that is disrespectful without really saying anything at all.
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I not sure about whether or not he's said anything disrespectful. More that he's almost gone out of his way not to acknowledge his time at the club and what it did to launch his career. I suppose on some way that is disrespectful without really saying anything at all.
That reminds of Alan Thompson whom we signed from Bolton for decent wedge.
I saw a tv program during his fairy successful time at Celtic where talked in detail about the various stages of his career, and we were left out completely. Deleted like in those SciFi movies.
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Platt was a great player for us but I can never think of him without remembering the way he used to run back after an attack with his hands flapping about.
And after he scored sometimes.
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Platt or Merson?
Not even close, Platt.
I asked because, although Platt was a outstanding player who contributed a lot to the Villa, Merson is the post-82 midfielder I would actually pay over the odds to watch. That right foot was indeed magic.
I've always thought he would have been ideal for the "number 10" role, but mostly played at a time when it wasn't a position used by teams in this country. In terms of English players, Matt Le Tissier is another one who would have been really suited to that position.
Platty was one of my favourite players but Merson is the one this team needs - he was the original 'flat track bully' - great & influential against the poor teams and anonymous vs the good ones, exactly what we need to harvest points at the mo. Not sure if we'd be capable of utilising Platty with the current set up as driving past the strikers would leave us short defensively ;-)
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19 years ago today, well yesterday as it's after midnight.
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Its worse than that...... its actually 29 years. I know right. OUCH!
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David Platt was incredible for us, whether fighting for promotion, escaping relegation or going for the title in the late 80s early 90s he was the outstanding performer.
He was even outstanding in a hideous Bari team which earnt him the Juventus move but back in the 3 foreigner rule days he barely played. His legs had gone by the time he got to Arsenal.
From 1991 to 1994 he seemed like the only player who gave a damn pulling on the England shirt too, gave everything he had with real class.
Without doubt easily one of my top 5 Villa players ever possibly top 3.
His management career was such a disaster it kind of darkens his legacy with modern fans somewhat, possibly why he is not more fondly remembered or recognised by the media etc. for his playing days.
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I think it’s more the fact that he never seems to have a good word to say about us now that irks Villa fans.
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We're a precious ex.
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Is that when they brought in the back pass rule as well? It's all a bit of a blur these days.
Back pass was at the start of 1992-93.
Which is one of the reasons Liverpool have never won the league since. The amount of times they did that during their heyday was ridiculous.
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19 years ago today, well yesterday as it's after midnight.
Remember exactly where I was for that goal (Platform One, Pannal in Harrogate) Which is astonishing as I'd drunk enough to sink a ship.
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19 years ago today, well yesterday as it's after midnight.
Remember exactly where I was for that goal (Platform One, Pannal in Harrogate) Which is astonishing as I'd drunk enough to sink a ship.
Customs House Inn in Padstow....and the entire pub mobbed me as I was the only Villa fan in there!!
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19 years ago today, well yesterday as it's after midnight.
Remember exactly where I was for that goal (Platform One, Pannal in Harrogate) Which is astonishing as I'd drunk enough to sink a ship.
Customs House Inn in Padstow....and the entire pub mobbed me as I was the only Villa fan in there!!
Forte-de-France, Martinique in my mate's appartment.
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In my Nan's front room. I was only ten so the pub wasn't an option!
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We were in the Buccaneer Bar at the front of the Excelsior Hotel, in the grounds of the old Airport. The 'Noses had been playing up in the local pubs so lots of places had stopped showing the games. We ended up drinking with a load of Cockneys who were working local and staying over. They were rather dismissive about our praise for Platt which made the goal even better.
We went back to the bar for the semi but the trouble had been so widespread after the QF against Cameroon they also stopped showing the games.
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Watched the Belgium game in my flat in Salford, very very drunk. It was the first time I really wanted England to do well in a tournament because I don't think there had ever been a Villa player representing England in a tournament finals before, in my lifetime.
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I remember where I was for every England game in Italia '90. I watched the Ireland game at my next door neighbours, the Holland game at my Dad's snooker club, the Egypt game at my girlfriend's mum's, the Belgium game at home, the Cameroon game at the Bickenhill indoor cricket centre after playing for my works team which was run by John Wile at the time (the cricket centre was run by John Wile, he didn't run my works cricket team!), I watched the semi final with my girlfriend and some of my family at my aunt and uncles house and I watched the third/fourth play off at home. I can also distinctly remember the various places I watched all of England's Euro '96 games.
But back to David Platt, when he went all Billy Big Bollox at the Villa in the Dr Jo season he developed an annoying habit of playing extravagant back passes to Spink.
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Watched the Belgium game in my flat in Salford, very very drunk. It was the first time I really wanted England to do well in a tournament because I don't think there had ever been a Villa player representing England in a tournament finals before, in my lifetime.
Steve Hodge in 1986.
He has got Maradona's shirt don't you know. He doesn't like to mention it much, apart from calling his autobiography 'The Man With Maradona's Shirt'. Lonely twat.
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Watched the Belgium game in my flat in Salford, very very drunk. It was the first time I really wanted England to do well in a tournament because I don't think there had ever been a Villa player representing England in a tournament finals before, in my lifetime.
Steve Hodge in 1986.
How could I forget that.
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Did Peter Withe see any action in 82 ?
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Did Peter Withe see any action in 82 ?
No, he was in the squad but wasn't Paul Mariner preferred over the European cup winning goal scorer from a few months before?
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Did Peter Withe see any action in 82 ?
No, but I think Allan Evans played in the Scotland v New Zealand game.
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Did Peter Withe see any action in 82 ?
No Allan Evans played for Scotland IIRC.
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Didn't Rix get in ahead of Tony Morley?
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Didn't Rix get in ahead of Tony Morley?
Yes, mainly due to the fact Don Howe was coach of Arsenal and England and pushed for the Arsenal left side combination of Sansom and Rix to be picked. Graham f*cking Rix for God's sake.
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It's hard to imagine only 1 player in the squad out of a team that won the league and European cup in 12 months.
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Darius Vassell World Cup 02
Tony Daley Euros 92
Sorry ignore me, prior to 1990 you mean, doh.
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Darius was in Euro 2004 too.
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Did we have to fend off big clubs from buying Platt after Italia 90? And why was it that only a small South Italian club came in for him 12 months later?
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Did we have to fend off big clubs from buying Platt after Italia 90? And why was it that only a small South Italian club came in for him 12 months later?
I read somewhere that Fiorentina bid £5m for him that summer, not sure if anyone else did though.
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There was a reluctance to buy British players from big European teams around that time, with even Linekar and Rush failing abroad just previous. Im sure somebody better than Bari could have taken a chance though, the 3 foreigner rule really made bigger teams think twice id imagine on using one of those places on a relatively untested English player.
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Not sure how Lineker failed. He scores 40 odd goals in 100 games across three years at Barcelona. I think he did very well
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My god Steve Bull was at Italia 90.
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He was indeed.
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My god Steve Bull was at Italia 90.
didn't he score in the Home Internationals against Scotland in the build up to Italia 90?
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Yep. And quite possibly against the Czechs as well. He definitely scored at Hampden after the ball bounced of the back of his head and he turned round and knocked it home.
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My god Steve Bull was at Italia 90.
He deserved to be there.
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Did Peter Withe see any action in 82 ?
No. And Morley omitted altogether from the squad. Crazy. That’s Ron Greenwood for you. He preferred half fit Brooking and Keegan
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My god Steve Bull was at Italia 90.
He deserved to be there.
He did, and I remember very much thinking that he should have had a starting place in the team.
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Not sure how Lineker failed. He scores 40 odd goals in 100 games across three years at Barcelona. I think he did very well
Yeah and played on the right (of a 3) often in the latter 2 seasons under Cryuff.
I think there is a direct correlation between those who succeeded abroad in 70s, 80s and 90s - the ones who learned the language beforehand or quickly after - Brady, Platt, Woodcock, Keegan, even whisper it Lambert.
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Platt still had skills as (relatively) recently as 2012
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Steve Bull goal vs the smelly socks.....
UTV
The Doc
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Did Peter Withe see any action in 82 ?
No, he was in the squad but wasn't Paul Mariner preferred over the European cup winning goal scorer from a few months before?
To be fair to Mariner I think he went into the '82 World Cup on a record goalscoring run for an England player and continued that run in the opening group stage of the tournament.
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Did we have to fend off big clubs from buying Platt after Italia 90? And why was it that only a small South Italian club came in for him 12 months later?
I read somewhere that Fiorentina bid £5m for him that summer, not sure if anyone else did though.
Italian clubs were spending crazy money compared to anyone else at that time. The summer we sold Platt to Bari for 5.5 million Dean Saunders was breaking the British transfer record by going to Liverpool for 2.9 million. With the money we got for Platt we bought Staunton, Teale, Richardson, Mortimer, Atkinson, Kubicki and Parker.
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IIRC, when BFR took over, he asked Platt what his intentions were regarding leaving as he had to make his own plans. Platt then went to Bari leaving BFR with more than a few quid to spend. That's how I remember it anyway.
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My god Steve Bull was at Italia 90.
didn't he score in the Home Internationals against Scotland in the build up to Italia 90?
He did, came on for Fashanu. Anyone expecting a little bit of sublety from those two would have been disappointed.
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Did we have to fend off big clubs from buying Platt after Italia 90? And why was it that only a small South Italian club came in for him 12 months later?
I read somewhere that Fiorentina bid £5m for him that summer, not sure if anyone else did though.
Italian clubs were spending crazy money compared to anyone else at that time. The summer we sold Platt to Bari for 5.5 million Dean Saunders was breaking the British transfer record by going to Liverpool for 2.9 million. With the money we got for Platt we bought Staunton, Teale, Richardson, Mortimer, Atkinson, Kubicki and Parker.
And Ugo, though he didn't cost much.
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5.5m...blimey, a lot of wonga in 1991 in football. Did that make us darkhorses for the title especially with the hapless Dr Jo be being replaced by a British manager with clout and charisma?
Also, the fee from Bari can't have been too far off the world record at the time? Alhough I think Milan bought a winger from Torino called Lentini around then or in '92 for about double that ...obviously this is all Google-able, but I prefer to cast my mind back to what I was seeing and reading as a kid.
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I think Baggio broke the world record the same summer. Pretty sure Platt remained the transfer record involving a British club for 3 or 4 years until Cole went to Man Utd.
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Baggio was year before - about £8m + the clean up costs in Florence of 2 days rioting. Lentini the year after for about £13m
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Baggio was year before - about £8m + the clean up costs in Florence of 2 days rioting. Lentini the year after for about £13m
I remember the Lentini transfer seeming like a batshit crazy amount of money at the time.
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5.5 million in 1991 in todays money is just a little over 11.5 million.
Id imagine if we had Platt in his prime right now on our books it would cost the best part of 70-80 million to take him from us in todays absurd transfer fee world.
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Baggio was year before - about £8m + the clean up costs in Florence of 2 days rioting. Lentini the year after for about £13m
I remember the Lentini transfer seeming like a batshit crazy amount of money at the time.
Wasn’t Lentini the one who was involved in a car crash not long after he joined?
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Did we have to fend off big clubs from buying Platt after Italia 90? And why was it that only a small South Italian club came in for him 12 months later?
I read somewhere that Fiorentina bid £5m for him that summer, not sure if anyone else did though.
Italian clubs were spending crazy money compared to anyone else at that time. The summer we sold Platt to Bari for 5.5 million Dean Saunders was breaking the British transfer record by going to Liverpool for 2.9 million. With the money we got for Platt we bought Staunton, Teale, Richardson, Mortimer, Atkinson, Kubicki and Parker.
And Ugo, though he didn't cost much.
I think we nicked Ugo for nothing or for a nominal fee because Albion had let his contract run out. For some reason I have a figure of about £40,000 in my head but I might have just made that up.
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Baggio was year before - about £8m + the clean up costs in Florence of 2 days rioting. Lentini the year after for about £13m
I remember the Lentini transfer seeming like a batshit crazy amount of money at the time.
Wasn’t Lentini the one who was involved in a car crash not long after he joined?
Yes, he had serious injuries and although he went on to have a reasonably good career he was never the same again.
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A year after signing for Milan, at the age of 24, Lentini was involved in a serious car crash whilst driving home from a pre-season tournament in Genoa, in August 1993. He fractured his skull and damaged his eye socket and he spent approximately 2 days in a light coma.
After the crash he never fully recovered his mercurial dribbling skills. Plagued by 'memory loss', periods of blurred vision, and 'dizzy spells' he was tormented by the spectre of what his career once was, when he returned to the pitch at the end of the 1993–94 season. His teammate at the time, Marcel Desailly, was compelled to confess that “You could see the skills, how he was before the accident and after the accident, the balance was completely different”.
His career in Milan fizzled out and culminated in a European Cup medal and another Serie A title that season, but this was merely for filling the bench; a paltry return for the world's most expensive signing at the time. The next two seasons would see him make few appearances, although he collected another Italian Supercup with the club, as well an UEFA Super Cup, in 1994, also receiving runners-up medals in the 1994 Intercontinental Cup and the 1995 UEFA Champions League Final. During his final season with the club, he won a third Serie A medal.
In 1996, he moved from Milan to Atalanta for a season, helping the club to a mid-table finish alongside Filippo Inzaghi, and he went on to play for six further clubs.
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Arguably did the best of all England's exports.
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Arguably did the best of all England's exports.
He did well in a struggling Bari side and also in a good Sampdoria side but in between that he never fully established himself at Juventus. Brady (yes I know he isn't English but he was brought up in and exported from the English game) was far more successful at Juve than Platt. Lineker also made a far bigger mark at Barca that Platt did in Italy. Keegan also made a far bigger impression at Hamburg than Platt did in Italy. Wilkins and Hateley at AC Milan and Hoddle and Hateley at Monaco also made a bigger splash than Platt ever did. So personally I think our old mate Dave is a fair way down the list of England's best football exports.
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Easily the best English player to go abroad and actually learn the language properly (with a bit of an Oldham twang):
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Gazza not quite as coherent although still seems to know a fair bit:
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Gazza not quite as coherent although still seems to know a fair bit:
I understood more of that than I do when he speaks in English.