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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: go on the dog on November 26, 2014, 09:21:22 PM
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On loan to Wigan
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Not seen it confirmed yet but it is an odd one. I wonder what the thinking is? Why wouldn't we wait till the transfer window is open? Unless there's a view these guys are disruptive malcontents?
I thought Lowton did ok of late and were not far away from having to ask him or Hutton to play centre back
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3 fullbacks out on loan then ...
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Is Wigan any closer to Sheffield?
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This is an odd one
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More of Lambores signings being pushed out. Pissed the cash up the wall. I assume Bacuna will play fullback if Hutton gets injured or suspended now?
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Probably, but Bacuna seems to have fallen out of favour this season. I thought he was one of the better signings last year, chipped in a decent contribution of goals too.
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Until someone mentioned him recently I'd forgotten Bacuna played for us. While accepting width remains an alien concept to us, I'd try him on the right of a four-man midfield with Richardson left.
That would involve us abandoning the innovative 6-4-0 formation though.
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Strange.
What the f**k is going on at VP?
Surely more than just reducing the wage bill...
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We need to make some extra revenue somehow to make up for all the empty seats. If we can bring in a few pennies from short term loans, no doubts Lerner will be over the moon. Who cares about injuries, suspensions and already having a poor thin squad.
OS still listing Carruthers in the squad is laughable.
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Can we send Lambert out on loan?
Preferably to Small Heath?
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Can we send Lambert out on loan?
Preferably to Small Heath?
Only if it is with a view to a permanent deal.
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Can we send Lambert out on loan?
Preferably to Small Heath?
Only if it is with a view to a permanent deal.
Maybe if we could agree we have no right to recall before, say, 2025?
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Didnt impress when given a chance lately and lets face it he really isnt up to it in the division we are currently in.
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Can we send Lambert out on loan?
Preferably to Small Heath?
Only if it is with a view to a permanent deal.
Maybe if we could agree we have no right to recall before, say, 2025?
3025 just to be on the safe side.
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Don't understand this.
Lowton played o.k in the recent games and Hutton could easily get injured again so I'd like to think the loan has a recall option as Bacuna has been totally out of favour so far and has had some abysmal games at RB.
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In 24 years of supporting the Villa I've never been more consistently baffled by a manager than I have in the last 2 and a bit seasons. Non stop bewilderment at almost all this man's decisions.
This summer has been a frank admission that his transfer policy has largely been a mistake. He's had to give up on players pretty quickly that he signed just a year ago, and a few from his first window. Lowton's been out of favour really since the beginning of last season. He's never managed to get back into Lamberks good books, or consistently into the side.
Strange again. Whilst Lowton clearly isn't up to standard, he's still a member of a very thin squad indeed. We need some cover for injuries. We've sent too many out IMO and even Zogbia hobbled off the other night. We're bare bones as it is.
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Didnt impress when given a chance lately and lets face it he really isnt up to it in the division we are currently in.
Who plays there if Hutton gets injured (again)?
Bacuna? Who isn't really a right back, and hasn't been seen for months.
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Lowton will be back in feb and made club captain .
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Sounds like there is some sort of financial crisis. It just gets worse and worse.
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Lowton will be back in feb and made club captain .
New 12 year deal.
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Sounds like there is some sort of financial crisis. It just gets worse and worse.
That's a bit of a leap!
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Sounds like there is some sort of financial crisis. It just gets worse and worse.
If the owner not wanting to spend any money on his business whilst putting it up for sale is a financial crisis, then yes...
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Another new low - ton.
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What a fucking shambles.What next Benteke out on loan ? Nothing would surprise me at the moment,I've had people phoning me up since Monday incredulous at how bad we have become,for fucks sake how much more of this shit do we have to endure ?
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Didnt impress when given a chance lately and lets face it he really isnt up to it in the division we are currently in.
Who plays there if Hutton gets injured (again)?
Bacuna? Who isn't really a right back, and hasn't been seen for months.
I wonder if he may view Okore as a potential back up on the right. Quick, good on the ball and has played there for his previous club apparently. He'd also provide physical presence on the right which we miss when Hutton's out. A Gnats guff could blow Lowton over.
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11 players out on loan now ?
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Another new low - ton.
Stop it already.
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Didnt impress when given a chance lately and lets face it he really isnt up to it in the division we are currently in.
Lowton or Lambert?
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Fuck it. Who needs full-backs anyway, right?
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If this becomes official, it will be odd as Lowton played ok when Hutton was out.
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Best crosser at the club, makes Benteke look 10 times more threatening. So lets fuck him off out then.
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I can only imagine that he's fallen out with Lambert because it certainly doesn't make any sense from a football perspective but then again, what does make sense in the parallel universe of planet Lambert.
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This is the player he bought and which consigned Hutton to the bomb squad.
Now Hutton is back and Lowton is off.
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This is just the latest installment in a catalogue of strangeness .
The lunatics are loose and have taken over the asylum folks.
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Is there another source for this story?
Eatsleepsport 13 hours ago:
Matthew Lowton is said to be attracting the interest of Wigan as the Championship side consider a loan move for the Villa defender. With the emergency loan window set to shut on Thursday, Latics boss Malky Mackay is said to be weighing up a late move …
express and star 11 hours ago in the rumours section:
Aston Villa full-back Matthew Lowton could attract loan interest from the Championship this week, with new Wigan Athletic boss Malky Mackay among those keen.
It would be weird if true.
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Best crosser at the club, makes Benteke look 10 times more threatening. So lets fuck him off out then.
Yes but he is a complete liability in defence. Not saying you're wrong but his first duty is to defend and he is really bad at that.
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My first reaction on hearing this was,it's all down to Learner saving money anyway he can.However this is management Lambert style and nothing he does makes sense,so it is no great surprise !
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Perhaps a clearing of the decks (and wages) so we can bring Wes Hoolihan or Michael Owen in on loan in January? Bent and now Lowton. I can hardly contain my excrement, sorry, excitement.
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Didnt impress when given a chance lately and lets face it he really isnt up to it in the division we are currently in.
Who plays there if Hutton gets injured (again)?
Bacuna? Who isn't really a right back, and hasn't been seen for months.
I wonder if he may view Okore as a potential back up on the right. Quick, good on the ball and has played there for his previous club apparently. He'd also provide physical presence on the right which we miss when Hutton's out. A Gnats guff could blow Lowton over.
Okore has played on the right of a 3 lots, as FCN's trainer had this weird idea about tactics and flexibility, but would have only played at full-back in an absolute emergency as they had 2 decent (by Danish league standards) right backs for most of his time there.
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I find it incomprehensible that that the supposition arises constantly that this player or that player has fallen out of favour with Lambert. If only a fraction of the player dissent is true it reveals area of management where he is failing miserably.
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Are there any areas of management where he isn't failing miserably Brian?
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The number of Lambert signings that come in and then go out is bizarre and is especially a curse that seems to apply to full backs.
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As as a full back, he's not good enough for the Premier League, so I'm not sad to see this news. It'll be good for him I'd imagine. But it is a weirdly timed decision as we can't sign a back up until January.
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The number of Lambert signings that come in and then go out is bizarre and is especially a curse that seems to apply to full backs.
Just like his mentor then!!
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Is Enda Stevens still with the club ?
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On loan at Doncaster
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The timing is what is really odd. We have vlaar Senderos baker all injured and on loan - Stevens Luna Bennett and now Lowton
God forbid another injury or were looking at Herd / Donacien , Richardson or Bacuna as FB ?
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The number of Lambert signings that come in and then go out is bizarre and is especially a curse that seems to apply to full backs.
Just like his mentor then!!
we`ve had on-going problems in the full back positions going right back to the height of the MON era, think of the players we`ve had playing out of position there over the years.(count `em).
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So many out on loan just means Lambo has to get less Xmas presents for the lads
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Could we not send Joe Cole away for a month to get a few games under his (ever expanding) belt?
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Non FB Players I recall playing FB
NRC , Delph, baker, Clark, Cuellar , Collins , Herd ,
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Hey Silhilvilla i think i am right in saying that Donacien is already out on loan at Tranmere
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Non FB Players I recall playing FB
NRC , Delph, baker, Clark, Cuellar , Collins , Herd ,
NRC ended up at Centre Back in one game
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Could we not send Joe Cole away for a month to get a few games under his (ever expanding) belt?
I don't see the logic of keeping Grealish warming the bench or a seat in the stand when we have Cole doing the same. If he's not going to be used, Grealish should be continuing his development on loan somewhere.
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Could we not send Joe Cole away for a month to get a few games under his (ever expanding) belt?
I don't see the logic of keeping Grealish warming the bench or a seat in the stand when we have Cole doing the same. If he's not going to be used, Grealish should be continuing his development on loan somewhere.
You have a point. Maybe though if we were doing better in the league we could afford to send him out again and get experience. I'd rather see him get a run out on Saturday for us though.
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Non FB Players I recall playing FB
NRC , Delph, baker, Clark, Cuellar , Collins , Herd ,
Craig Gardner as well.
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And Mellberg.
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I actually think Herd is ok at RB, so not unduly concerned by this (unless he sends Herd out on loan again too!).
If they want to take him permanently in january could we please ask for Callum Mcmanaman in exchange. Exactly the type of player our squad is short of.
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Herd had one very good game at full back against Wolves. Bacuna is the obvious choice and he is useless at full back! Lambert (and perhaps Keane) are getting more bizarre than Arry sometimes can be. I woudnt be surprised to see Bent back after his months loan and straight in at right back. Hutton I expect to see as a raiding left winger!
They could make a major film about the goings on down at Villa Park
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest!
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So, there's still no actual news here is there? There's just Tribal quoting a piece in the E&S saying he might attract loan attention from the Championship.
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So, there's still no actual news here is there? There's just Tribal quoting a piece in the E&S saying he might attract loan attention from the Championship.
Exactly, Woofles The Wonder Dog.
I remain severely skeptical that this is going to happen.
We will know soon enough, the emergency loan window shuts today.
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Could Lowton,s ( possible ) departure be to facilitate the arrival of Dinamo Zagreb right-back Ivo Pinto ? , with whom we have been heavily linked of late .
I,m betting on a fair bit of transfer activity this mid-term.............Godzvilla!
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Full backs are overated right, especially when they have no wingers to pass to or even help them defend!
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Could Lowton,s ( possible ) departure be to facilitate the arrival of Dinamo Zagreb right-back Ivo Pinto ? , with whom we have been heavily linked of late .
I,m betting on a fair bit of transfer activity this mid-term.............Godzvilla!
I bet there will be bugger all apart from a couple of outs.
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If this goes through unlike the Bent loan I am against this one. He is a promising player who will just get better with age, and is worth a place on the bench at least. I suspect that Lambert has never gotten over the whole Sheffield thing. I can understand why that would bother him, but not to this extent.
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Non FB Players I recall playing FB
NRC , Delph, baker, Clark, Cuellar , Collins , Herd ,
Craig Gardner as well.
Milner ended up a right back away at Boro in 2009.
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Didn't Ashley young fill in as a FB once too ?
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Didn't Ashley young fill in as a FB once too ?
I don't recall but he has since been tried there (and wing back) with LVG at United (unsuccessfully).
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Didn't Ashley young fill in as a FB once too ?
I don't recall but he has since been tried there (and wing back) with LVG at United (unsuccessfully).
I remember Delph playing LB for a part of a game at home to Blackburn under Houllier. A game in which Robert Pires bossed the centre of midfield, no less!
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So, there's still no actual news here is there? There's just Tribal quoting a piece in the E&S saying he might attract loan attention from the Championship.
Exactly, Woofles The Wonder Dog.
I remain severely skeptical that this is going to happen.
We will know soon enough, the emergency loan window shuts today.
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Some of us were jumping the gun in our critisism of our manager. Nothing anywhere to suggest this could happen!
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Could we not send Joe Cole away for a month to get a few games under his (ever expanding) belt?
I don't see the logic of keeping Grealish warming the bench or a seat in the stand when we have Cole doing the same. If he's not going to be used, Grealish should be continuing his development on loan somewhere.
You have a point. Maybe though if we were doing better in the league we could afford to send him out again and get experience. I'd rather see him get a run out on Saturday for us though.
I'd say it's the opposite. Because we're doing so poorly in the league, he's not getting game time, as he won't throw him in. (Maybe he has actually learned something from that 1st season after all)
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I find it incomprehensible that that the supposition arises constantly that this player or that player has fallen out of favour with Lambert. If only a fraction of the player dissent is true it reveals area of management where he is failing miserably.
I do wonder if "oh he's fallen out with the manager" is just another stick to beat him with (and it's not like we're lacking really big sticks to beat Lambert with). I don't think we'll ever know whose bright idea the bomb squad was, but there it was open and blatant that the 3/4 players (Ireland/Bent/Hutton/Given?) were out in the cold to try and get them to move.
We seemed to hear similar about Helenius last year about either he'd got a poor attitude in training /argued with Lambert etc. and look how that turned out.
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Our 2nd best left back is out on loan leaving us with playing someone out of position if Cissokho gets injured, we're just doing the same on the other side now.
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Is there anything to this? The thread title sounds rather factual.
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Fuck a duck.
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Our 2nd best left back is out on loan
And our third.
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Until someone mentioned him recently I'd forgotten Bacuna played for us. While accepting width remains an alien concept to us, I'd try him on the right of a four-man midfield with Richardson left.
That would involve us abandoning the innovative 6-4-0 formation though.
I can honestly say, and with no ill feeling towards Bacuna, I can't wait for the day when players akin to Bacuna aren't deemed good enough to be at the club.
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according to the BBC report Lowton was on the bench today????
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He came on at the end for Clark, BRMB said. I was too busy writing capitalised tweets about how much I hated Paul Lambert to notice.
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Came on at centre half right at the end.
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Please change the thread title to right some of today's wrongs.
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I was wondering who the Lowton look-a-like in the Lowton outfit was.
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Came on at centre half right at the end.
He went RB and Hutton moved to CB to the left of JO
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Sorry I guess I was given duff info, never mind though eh, got a few people talking