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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Ads on November 03, 2014, 02:51:57 PM
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I have never done one of these before, but after my first hair cut since the morning we lost to Arsenal almost re-set the balance, only to be cruelly snatched by refereeing incompetence, I think doing one of these threads will be enough to appease the footballing gods.
Nailed on, put you house on it, Ads' guaranteed Villa win. We will also score more than one goal, fancy that? We get a result here when we need it and I think we need one now.
Allardyce to moan like billio about how they did this and that in his post-match interview.
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We need a poll don't we?
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West Ham to win fairly comfortably. We are too defensive and not very good at that, we concede far too much possession to teams and we create barely anything going forward, especially as Benteke is going to be suspended. I think anyone else would get better out of this squad of players and use them better but we are talking about Paul Lambert. It hurts like hell but I see only more misery here. 0-2 defeat.
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We'll score and throw it away, much to the delight of the fat Essex wannabe cockneys who like to stand in the corner and stare at away fans.
Wasn't it this time last year we played them? when Villa fans didn't hear the minute's silence and got panned by the media?
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2nd November in a thrilling 0-0.
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2nd November in a thrilling 0-0.
That's the one.
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We'll score and throw it away, much to the delight of the fat Essex wannabe cockneys who like to stand in the corner and stare at away fans.
I was there a couple of season's ago when Gabby got the winner with an header and there was one very fat cockney with sunglasses who didn't seem to be watching the game because everytime we glanced over, he was staring at he away end. It was bizzare.
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We haven't won there since 2011, Gabby scored both I do believe - or did Bent score as well? I know Gabby's was a 90th minute winner. Lambert's first match in that disgusting green away kit was a 0-1 at Upton Park, Nolan for them.
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I went for Aston Villa, still with all the crap going on they are my two favourite words!
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You need to watch you're self Clampy, those seven or eight fat bastards on the Chicken Run are pwopa nawty geezers.
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"We started the game really well but we just never really created as much as we wanted to.
I couldn't fault the effort. We will pick ourselves up and go again. There is a long way to go and we'll see what happens.
I have great belief in [the players]. They will do fine. If we can stick together and the fans stick with us we'll be OK."
Paul Lambert in 2014? Nope, these are his comments from his very first match. He's pretty much said the same thing ever since.
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In fairness, we've only played them twice since the Houllier game, lost one and drawn one.
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Us to win 3-0, me to scoop the lotto jackpot and then celebrate a fine day by having a night in with Andrea Corr and Cheryl Cole.
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this is a game I suffer from more than most, as some of my neighbours are season ticket holders and when we have beaten them they are nowhere to be seen but you can bet your last half a fucking sixpence they will want to "chat" about the game for weeks.
...oh and that fat looking chicken impersonating freak Nolan always scores against us...oh and the obligatory, "wee whun da wurld cap" bollox they nicked from a TV actor who played Alf Garnett, a Spurs fan I believe....
I could go on
we are not very good, they are.....heart says 4 nil Villa win - head says 3 nil loss :(
UTV
The Doc
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Us to win 3-0, me to scoop the lotto jackpot and then celebrate a fine day by having a night in with Andrea Corr and Cheryl Cole.
2 out of 3 are quite possible.
Villa to win 3-0 away though, you must be quite mental !!
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3-0 villa
benteke hatrick
oh ....
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Every day will be like next Saturday
Every day will be silent and grey
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1-0 Downing. 7th defeat in a row. Keep expectations low so as not to be disappointed.
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A couple of in form forwards, and Downing finally finding form and undoubtedly nailed on to have barmstormer against us. They're better defensively than Spurs at the minute too, so we'll find it harder to score. And Collins will probably look like McGrath too. Too many of our old boys who could come in and rub our noses in it. Carlton Cole too.
3-0 West Ham.
Roll on Burnley.
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if downing scores . Im giving it all up
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Routine 2-0 loss here .
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Which one's us?
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I'm going to have to ask our COLP to have a quiet word with the SRA, because if you think we are nailed on to win, and to score more than one goal in the same 90 minute game, there are clearly issues over your mental capacity to continue in practice!
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Which one's us?
Yes and Nolan will score
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Defeat
More excuses
We go again, etc
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Them 1 Us 1
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The ruining of my poll has caused a discrepency in my vote! I voted Villa win!
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The ruining of my poll has caused a discrepency in my vote! I voted Villa win!
Not being able to do polls correctly is one of the reasons you are no longer manager!
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My North Korean ballot paper was a thing of beauty.
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We won't score they will. 7 in a row beckons.
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Can the poll be re-set? I feel dirty having my X in the West Ham column.
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2-1 defeat with Richardson scoring for us.
After last season's game I'd be surprised if any West Ham fans turn up, they were toothless up front, we were so negative, happy to give them the ball for 90 minutes, played entirely in our half, then at the death we almost nicked it with our only adventure into their half all game.
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Can the poll be re-set? I feel dirty having my X in the West Ham column.
Click "REMOVE VOTE" and then you will be able to vote again. Hopefully!
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Three words, darling: Doom, Downing and Disaaaster.
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Three words, darling: Doom, Downing and Disaaaster.
Fan..tabu...loser....again!
Downing who looked very good at the weekend will have the run of the wings. The only thing we have to look forward to is the non appearance of Okore...and the inevitable discussion thereafter.
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0-0.
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West Ham 1-2 Aston Villa. Let's put an end to this nonsense.
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Lambert's post-match interview will go along the lines of 'thought we were fantastic, we've definitely got goals in the team, we go again'. In other words the usual bollocks after we've been beaten yet again. After losing 7 in a row he might even suggest we're gaining some consistency. Just hope that twat Brand doesn't kiss Allardyce again - I still haven't cleaned all the vomit up from last week.
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Lambert's post-match interview will go along the lines of 'thought we were fantastic, we've definitely got goals in the team, we go again'. In other words the usual bollocks after we've been beaten yet again. After losing 7 in a row he might even suggest we're gaining some consistency. Just hope that twat Brand doesn't kiss Allardyce again - I still haven't cleaned all the vomit up from last week.
You could probably add "I am sure that Carlos and Nathan will eliminate these mistakes that enable each opponent to score. Before one of us dies."
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If Manny Ominimyi plays for them, I can see us getting a forfeit win. Other than that, I would say we will lose by the odd 3 goals.
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Gabby for Benteke probably the only change unless Hutton or Senderos return from injury. Could do with Hutton back anyway as West Ham will target Lowton all game long otherwise.
Might be the game to break our duck, by all accounts Stoke were well in control of the game at the weekend until late on.
A battling 1-1 draw.
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I can't stand that Song but what a signing he has been for them.
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I can't stand that Song but what a signing he has been for them.
If he went to West Ham, he'd have come to us. It's a shame. They showed a bit of ambition to get him. He's a big player. He was in a bit of a rut, but he's still a big player. He absolutely shits over anything we have in midfield. And that includes Delph.
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I can't stand that Song but what a signing he has been for them.
Their two full backs have been very impressive too, we were in for Cresswell a couple of years back but ended up with Joe Bennett :(
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If we don't score can we all get a refund on the time and money Villa have robbed from our collective lives? It's time.
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A comfortable win for West Ham.
Nothing stands in the way of our record breaking manager.
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Song when jumping in before West Ham equalised at Stoke. Cockneys getting away with quite a bit at the weekend.
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0-0. A point gained which will be greeted by Lambert claiming that we were excellent as usual.
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It doesn't matter who we pick, who is fit, we will get beat.
Probably 2 or 3 nil.
In a perverse way I am hoping our run continues because the longer the run of straight defeats the more likely our halfwit of an owner will have to bow to the inevitable and sack Lamberk and Keane. Of course if they manage another win this side of Christmas if will be contract extensions all round.
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Do I not like that.
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It doesn't matter who we pick, who is fit, we will get beat.
Probably 2 or 3 nil.
In a perverse way I am hoping our run continues because the longer the run of straight defeats the more likely our halfwit of an owner will have to bow to the inevitable and sack Lamberk and Keane. Of course if they manage another win this side of Christmas if will be contract extensions all round.
What was that you were saying the other day about not being a supporter?
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We will win a game one day, so why not Saturday? Gabby to shin one in, me to end up three rows in front of my seat and the world to be much better place come 5pm. keep the faith y'all
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2-0 West Ham.
Our record against Big Sam in the premier league is P20 W5, D7, L8. The bloke knows how to play us down the years and I can't see us threatening them much.
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I can't stand that Song but what a signing he has been for them.
If he went to West Ham, he'd have come to us. It's a shame. They showed a bit of ambition to get him. He's a big player. He was in a bit of a rut, but he's still a big player. He absolutely shits over anything we have in midfield. And that includes Delph.
Not really, Gold and Sullivan will be paying him bigger wages than we'd ever contemplate.
And given he's already played for Arsenal you'd imagine he'd rather play in London again given the opportunity.
I'd much rather have gone for Diame who was made available with Song coming in. We could do with that athletic sort in midfield now with Delph out for the forseeable future.
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Funny game this one last season it very much would have been a mid-table clash with little to choose between the teams, but because of West Ham's form at home this season and how are struggling right now I can only really see a home win which is even more likely because of us missing Benteke. This is one I really would have liked to have had at VP.
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I can not see anything other than another defeat.
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Another loss. I imagine Downing will score just to make it that little bit worse.
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Petrov made one of the best Villa debuts here, we miss him big style. Also remember a serious crushing incident when we played there midweek years ago, got very dicey. But to the game, I reckon a 3-1 reverse with Barbara Windsor notching the third while singing Maybe It's Because I'm A Landaner.
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Well they have gone from being very shit to finding some form with a very one dimensional manager who the fans wanted out.
You never know we might just make the same move ourselves in this one?
I wouldn't bet too much on it though.
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Another loss. I imagine Downing will score just to make it that little bit worse.
Now this was a game where we could of done with Hutton to rattle Downing from the off. We could do with him hiding very early. On form he will cause damage but as we all know once he's bottled it he's out the game.
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I can't stand that Song but what a signing he has been for them.
If he went to West Ham, he'd have come to us. It's a shame. They showed a bit of ambition to get him. He's a big player. He was in a bit of a rut, but he's still a big player. He absolutely shits over anything we have in midfield. And that includes Delph.
Not really, Gold and Sullivan will be paying him bigger wages than we'd ever contemplate.
And given he's already played for Arsenal you'd imagine he'd rather play in London again given the opportunity.
I'd much rather have gone for Diame who was made available with Song coming in. We could do with that athletic sort in midfield now with Delph out for the forseeable future.
Yep, I'd have gone for Diame too. Financially we should be able to compete with West Bloody Ham though. Under Lerner of course we won't, but it's frustrating to see a club like them getting a player like Song, whilst we get a loan of Tom Cleverley.
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I've removed my vote and I have voted Aston Villa, There is no way I'm voting for those cockney wankers
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Lets hope no villa player walks into one of those bubbles, we have got enough injury problems as it is.
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We need to stop the rot sometime so I reckon we will get a draw 1-1.
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2-0 West Ham.
Our record against Big Sam in the premier league is P20 W5, D7, L8. The bloke knows how to play us down the years and I can't see us threatening them much.
Another way of looking at it is more often than not we get at least a point against his teams.
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I can't stand that Song but what a signing he has been for them.
If he went to West Ham, he'd have come to us. It's a shame. They showed a bit of ambition to get him. He's a big player. He was in a bit of a rut, but he's still a big player. He absolutely shits over anything we have in midfield. And that includes Delph.
Not really, Gold and Sullivan will be paying him bigger wages than we'd ever contemplate.
And given he's already played for Arsenal you'd imagine he'd rather play in London again given the opportunity.
I'd much rather have gone for Diame who was made available with Song coming in. We could do with that athletic sort in midfield now with Delph out for the forseeable future.
Yep, I'd have gone for Diame too. Financially we should be able to compete with West Bloody Ham though. Under Lerner of course we won't, but it's frustrating to see a club like them getting a player like Song, whilst we get a loan of Tom Cleverley.
They have been helped by selling off Upton Park and getting the Olympic Stadium for free ,that and increased TV money has given them money to spend this season.
West Ham have Sakho and Carroll fit for the game.
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2-1 defeat.... the losing run continues.
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Its funny reading the West Ham board, it's like reading on here when we face a side in need of points!
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Its funny reading the West Ham board, it's like reading on here when we face a side in need of points!
More or less every group of fans in the league think their team has a record of gifting points to teams who most need them. West Ham fans in particular.
They're all wrong though, we're the most generous team in the league.
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Its funny reading the West Ham board, it's like reading on here when we face a side in need of points!
More or less every group of fans in the league think their team has a record of gifting points to teams who most need them. West Ham fans in particular.
They're all wrong though, we're the most generous team in the league.
Thing is, no else sees it either. Just been in the barbers, in Bedford so obviously the three guys that work in there are Liverpool and Man U fans, and they are incredulous about us losing 6 on the trot and think we are "decent" "no way you'll go down mate" When I pointed out Lamberts record, they were genuinely flabbergasted.
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A very lucky 2-1 win.
John Fashanu
Garry PArker
Tony Gale for them
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Its funny reading the West Ham board, it's like reading on here when we face a side in need of points!
More or less every group of fans in the league think their team has a record of gifting points to teams who most need them. West Ham fans in particular.
They're all wrong though, we're the most generous team in the league.
Thing is, no else sees it either. Just been in the barbers, in Bedford so obviously the three guys that work in there are Liverpool and Man U fans, and they are incredulous about us losing 6 on the trot and think we are "decent" "no way you'll go down mate" When I pointed out Lamberts record, they were genuinely flabbergasted.
Its also rare that Lambert gets any real criticism in the media, there seems to be a bit of an assumption that he's doing an ok job under financial restrictions, nobody ever seems to call him out directly on his shortcomings.
Although I suppose its pretty rare for the media to directly say 'this manager sucks' about anyone.
As for the game, I think we'll surprise everyone and get a narrow win, 0-1. But I wouldn't be the least surprised to see us lose again.
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6 straight defeats? Only 1 goal scored in 6 games? Villa's best striker suspended? Villa playing away in London? West Ham riding high in the table and scoring for fun?
Nailed on away win. That's the West Ham way - turning over the top teams and then surrendering meekly to the strugglers.
Hope you all have a good day out. Try and get time to see the poppies at the Tower - worth the time.
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Last minute Ray Stewart dodgy penalty to give West Ham the victory
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6 straight defeats? Only 1 goal scored in 6 games? Villa's best striker suspended? Villa playing away in London? West Ham riding high in the table and scoring for fun?
Nailed on away win. That's the West Ham way - turning over the top teams and then surrendering meekly to the strugglers.
Hope you all have a good day out. Try and get time to see the poppies at the Tower - worth the time.
Hi Sendo wondered when you would surface :) hope you well and enjoying your rise up the table. ( but not this weekend obviously)
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The Doc
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Its funny reading the West Ham board, it's like reading on here when we face a side in need of points!
More or less every group of fans in the league think their team has a record of gifting points to teams who most need them. West Ham fans in particular.
They're all wrong though, we're the most generous team in the league.
Thing is, no else sees it either. Just been in the barbers, in Bedford so obviously the three guys that work in there are Liverpool and Man U fans, and they are incredulous about us losing 6 on the trot and think we are "decent" "no way you'll go down mate" When I pointed out Lamberts record, they were genuinely flabbergasted.
I think the reason they don't realise how bad things are is because we are actually an irrelevance to them. Why would they give any thought or concern to what is happening at Villa other than when they play us or towards the end of the season when they realise, 'bloody hell, Villa are in trouble'.
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You need to watch you're self Clampy, those seven or eight fat bastards on the Chicken Run are pwopa nawty geezers.
One of my favourite ever football moments was when Leonhardson put us 2-1 up down there in '03, and I turned round to celebrate with my now wife, looking gorgeous with her hair back and Gucci shades, and she's standing on her seat giving double handed V's to the meatheads in the chicken run.
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I honestly think we'll win. And when we do, you can all call me King Des.
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You need to watch you're self Clampy, those seven or eight fat bastards on the Chicken Run are pwopa nawty geezers.
One of my favourite ever football moments was when Leonhardson put us 2-1 up down there in '03, and I turned round to celebrate with my now wife, looking gorgeous with her hair back and Gucci shades, and she's standing on her seat giving double handed V's to the meatheads in the chicken run.
They were my favourite shades bab.
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6 straight defeats? Only 1 goal scored in 6 games? Villa's best striker suspended? Villa playing away in London? West Ham riding high in the table and scoring for fun?
Nailed on away win. That's the West Ham way - turning over the top teams and then surrendering meekly to the strugglers.
Hope you all have a good day out. Try and get time to see the poppies at the Tower - worth the time.
Welcome back Sendo - always like to hear what you have to say - so what do you reckon to the Allardyce-revolution of attacking football?
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This will be tough. They are playing with a lot of confidence and especially at home, and we, while we are playing better just look deflated. The loss of Benteke who was starting to look menacing again is a killer. If he was playing I would go for a draw at least. Without him I see us discussing the number 7 in not so favourable terms.
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6 straight defeats? Only 1 goal scored in 6 games? Villa's best striker suspended? Villa playing away in London? West Ham riding high in the table and scoring for fun?
Nailed on away win. That's the West Ham way - turning over the top teams and then surrendering meekly to the strugglers.
Hope you all have a good day out. Try and get time to see the poppies at the Tower - worth the time.
Nice of you to return, but you need to lose some weight and stop staring at the away fans.
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6 straight defeats? Only 1 goal scored in 6 games? Villa's best striker suspended? Villa playing away in London? West Ham riding high in the table and scoring for fun?
Nailed on away win. That's the West Ham way - turning over the top teams and then surrendering meekly to the strugglers.
Hope you all have a good day out. Try and get time to see the poppies at the Tower - worth the time.
Nice of you to return, but you need to lose some weight and stop staring at the away fans.
Sendo sounds like a Villa fan in that post fearing the worst and obvious. They so want to be like us they'll be thinking about nicking our colours too.
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Genuinely can't see us keeping a clean sheet against two of the most in-form strikers in the league (although certainly not the best strikers). This means we'll need to score at least two to win. Not saying that is impossible but it is definitely unlikely. I'd take 1-1 please. Plus it's a rubbish away ground to go to so we'll be getting nearby early and indulging in the new Villa past-time of drowning our sorrows before kick-off.
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Arry appears again in a West Ham shirt (46 years on) to volley past Guzan in added time to give the Hammers an undeserved victory.
Villa manager Mr Paul Lambert points out we were excellent...several times..in the same sentence!
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4-0 defeat
More misery
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For those going it's The Lord Mayors Show on Saturday plus preparations for Remembrance Sunday so expect delays / chaos on the tubes and busses .
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2-1 to West Ham. We'll go again.
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4-0 West Ham Harewood to get them all
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Lose 2-0 Collins and Joe Cole og.
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Thing is, no else sees it either. Just been in the barbers, in Bedford so obviously the three guys that work in there are Liverpool and Man U fans, and they are incredulous about us losing 6 on the trot and think we are "decent" "no way you'll go down mate" When I pointed out Lamberts record, they were genuinely flabbergasted.
I think thats normal. I was amazed when a baggies fan pointed out to me Clarkes actual record after I expressed surprise he had gone.
I don't think most fans pay much attention to the 30 or so Championship-Plus sides that are in our league.
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6 straight defeats? Only 1 goal scored in 6 games? Villa's best striker suspended? Villa playing away in London? West Ham riding high in the table and scoring for fun?
Nailed on away win. That's the West Ham way - turning over the top teams and then surrendering meekly to the strugglers.
Hope you all have a good day out. Try and get time to see the poppies at the Tower - worth the time.
Cheers sendo!
Glad to see you are the most optimistic poster on here!
UTV!
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Wiemann needs to be played centrally. We need wingers, no not wingers, but a lad on either side that can cross the ball. Neither Lowton nor Cissokho can cross a ball to save their life - conserve your energy lads, and stay the f**k back. It breaks my heart to see Gabby making up the numbers, but he can't be started.
Brad
Lowton/Hutton Vlaar Baker/Okore Aly
Carlos
N'Zog Westy Cleverley Jack
Wiemann
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Wiemann needs to be played centrally. We need wingers, no not wingers, but a lad on either side that can cross the ball. Neither Lowton nor Cissokho can cross a ball to save their life - conserve your energy lads, and stay the f**k back. It breaks my heart to see Gabby making up the numbers, but he can't be started.
Brad
Lowton/Hutton Vlaar Baker/Okore Aly
Carlos
N'Zog Westy Cleverley Jack
Wiemann
Our best chance on Sunday came from a Lowton cross
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I'm not just referring to last Sunday though. The full backs are expected to provide the width, and it is beyond them. They are so flaked from hare-ing it up the wing that we start making silly mistakes after the 60 minute mark.
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Lowton can cross, he put in a beauty at QPR as well iirc. I suppose some of it with him is confidence and being a bit rusty after being out so long. Defensively he scares the crap out of me but I like Lowton going forward.
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Crossing is probably the only aspect of Lowton's game that I actually like. Cissokho, on the other hand, can't cross a ball to save his life.
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I agree, Lowton offers a fair bit going forward. Which is nice, but he can't defend for shit.
He also seems to bring out the worst in those around him, although I'll admit, that's maybe an unfairly vague criticism.
Remember that ball for Weimann's goal against Sunderland last year? Brilliant.
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I agree, Lowton offers a fair bit going forward. Which is nice, but he can't defend for shit.
He also seems to bring out the worst in those around him, although I'll admit, that's maybe an unfairly vague criticism.
Remember that ball for Weimann's goal against Sunderland last year? Brilliant.
Year before if it's the one i'm thinking of in the 6-1? And not just the ball, but the way he anticipated and cut out the Sunderland pass/clearance.
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His inability to defend and lack of positional sense (which draws a centre half out of position) are fairly fundamental flaws for a right back.
Maybe there's a right-sided midfielder there somewhere - he can certainly cross a ball -- but a PL right back he isn't.
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Well they have gone from being very shit to finding some form with a very one dimensional manager who the fans wanted out.
You never know we might just make the same move ourselves in this one?
I wouldn't bet too much on it though.
He was never that bad, he just had one bad season and even that can happen to the best of them. I think love or hate him Big Sam has done a cracking job at West Ham just as he has done most places he has managed.
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East limps the lion
The bitter wind chills the heart
Villa lose four nil
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East limps the lion
The bitter wind chills the heart
Villa lose four nil
Is that a Haiku?
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East limps the lion
The bitter wind chills the heart
Villa lose four nil
Is that a Haiku?
Bless you.
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---------Guzan---------
Lowton vlaar baker cissoko
Richardson Westwood Sanchez cleverley
Weimann. Nzogbia
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6 straight defeats? Only 1 goal scored in 6 games? Villa's best striker suspended? Villa playing away in London? West Ham riding high in the table and scoring for fun?
Nailed on away win. That's the West Ham way - turning over the top teams and then surrendering meekly to the strugglers.
Hope you all have a good day out. Try and get time to see the poppies at the Tower - worth the time.
Always a pleasure to hear from Sendo.
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Villa to win easily (cough, splutter, ahem)!
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Another loss. I imagine Downing will score just to make it that little bit worse.
Now this was a game where we could of done with Hutton to rattle Downing from the off. We could do with him hiding very early. On form he will cause damage but as we all know once he's bottled it he's out the game.
That's what's wanted, dump him on his arse a few times in the first ten minutes. Perhaps Lambert could put Keane in the team. :o
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---------Guzan---------
Lowton vlaar baker cissoko
Richardson Westwood Cleverley Grealish
Weimann. Nzogbia
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If Senderos and Hutton are fit: (Replace with Lowton and Baker if not)
---------------Guzan---------------
Hutton, Senderos, Vlaar, Cissokho
---------------Sanchez------------
---------Cleverley----Richardson--
-----------------N'Zogbia----------
-----------Bent--------Weimann---
Zog to float. Weimann to work the channels and do the donkey work for Bent.
Sanchez to do 60 minutes and see how is legs hold up. Replace with Westwood if needs be.
If need to up the creativity a bit I'd slap Grealish on for Bent and switch to a 4-2-3-1, putting Andi through the middle. Gabby to replace Andi if he's run himself in.
However we'll stick with the 4-3-3 knowing Lambert with a midfield adrift of the isolated, non moving forwards (aside from Andi running around like a maniac, bless him).
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Welcome back Sendo - always like to hear what you have to say - so what do you reckon to the Allardyce-revolution of attacking football?
I'm enjoying it while it lasts. Too much rests on the form of Downing and the pace of Sakho and Valencia. 2 injuries to those three and we'll be back to unimaginative punt it up to Carroll once again.
Credit to Allardyce to listening to the criticism and changing his playing style, although I suspect he didn't have much choice.
In all honesty, the biggest criticism from most West Ham fans last season wasn't so much the style - we all recognised that we had a limited squad and we had to try and get the best out of what we had - it was more that there was no plan B. Plan A was sit deep, keep it tight and look to hit teams on the break (with no pace) or score from set pieces. The problems came when we inevitably went behind because we offered next to no attacking threat.
Anyway, positivity reigns this season - so as long as we can keep the attacking players fit, rotate the midfielders, and the full backs don't get found out, I'm hoping for a good season and top half finish.
You lot look like us last season - for that you have my sympathies. Still, Carlton Cole might be available in January. He's got two goals to his name already this season.
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Welcome back Sendo - always like to hear what you have to say - so what do you reckon to the Allardyce-revolution of attacking football?
I'm enjoying it while it lasts. Too much rests on the form of Downing and the pace of Sakho and Valencia. 2 injuries to those three and we'll be back to unimaginative punt it up to Carroll once again.
Credit to Allardyce to listening to the criticism and changing his playing style, although I suspect he didn't have much choice.
In all honesty, the biggest criticism from most West Ham fans last season wasn't so much the style - we all recognised that we had a limited squad and we had to try and get the best out of what we had - it was more that there was no plan B. Plan A was sit deep, keep it tight and look to hit teams on the break (with no pace) or score from set pieces. The problems came when we inevitably went behind because we offered next to no attacking threat.
Anyway, positivity reigns this season - so as long as we can keep the attacking players fit, rotate the midfielders, and the full backs don't get found out, I'm hoping for a good season and top half finish.
You lot look like us last season - for that you have my sympathies. Still, Carlton Cole might be available in January. He's got two goals to his name already this season.
great to hear from you Sendo...then you had to go and spoil it :)
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To be fair to Carlton he's probably done more this season and last season than Gabby. He's looked, dare I say it, almost useful as a backup option since you let him go and re-signed him. He's also in better nick than the artist formally known as Darren Bent. (Now known as Darren Bolt because he ate Grant Holt).
That said, you can keep him Sendo.
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Welcome back Sendo - always like to hear what you have to say - so what do you reckon to the Allardyce-revolution of attacking football?
I'm enjoying it while it lasts. Too much rests on the form of Downing and the pace of Sakho and Valencia. 2 injuries to those three and we'll be back to unimaginative punt it up to Carroll once again.
Credit to Allardyce to listening to the criticism and changing his playing style, although I suspect he didn't have much choice.
In all honesty, the biggest criticism from most West Ham fans last season wasn't so much the style - we all recognised that we had a limited squad and we had to try and get the best out of what we had - it was more that there was no plan B. Plan A was sit deep, keep it tight and look to hit teams on the break (with no pace) or score from set pieces. The problems came when we inevitably went behind because we offered next to no attacking threat.
Anyway, positivity reigns this season - so as long as we can keep the attacking players fit, rotate the midfielders, and the full backs don't get found out, I'm hoping for a good season and top half finish.
You lot look like us last season - for that you have my sympathies. Still, Carlton Cole might be available in January. He's got two goals to his name already this season.
Fans like you make it really hard to dislike West ham as much as I want to. Thanks for the comments, funny how clubs seem so different when you are a supporter versus looking in from the outside.
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Fans like you make it really hard to dislike West ham as much as I want to. Thanks for the comments, funny how clubs seem so different when you are a supporter versus looking in from the outside.
There's plenty more clubs to dislike before you turn to West Ham. Out of all the London clubs they're easily away and above the rest in every aspect. Great little traditional ground, strong local support, they sing (yes, I know) and travel in decent numbers all that and they've been shit for over the last 30 years. Even their forum KUMB is one of the best around (if you ignore a couple of Danny Dyer types) and the Hammer fans I've met on my travels have been great blokes. In fact, thinking about it, I've met loads of West Ham fans, they're like bloody Italians, no matter where you go, how off the beaten track you find yourself, it's more than likely you'll bump into Italian tourists and West Ham fans.
Obviously it's hard to like any club where Porndwarf and Brady are and the "West Ham way" is bollocks but I guess it's just like our "Proud History Bright Future", it gives you something to cling on to. They do make claret and blue look cheap with their horrible kits but overall, even after the fun and games down there in the 80's, I find it hard to dislike them.
That be said, looking back over the years they must have had the ugliest players ever to grace the league, with the possible exception of the Rags. You really have to be pig ugly to play for West Ham. Maybe that's what they mean by The West Ham Way.
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The only thing to dislike about West Ham is something which isn't really their fault, namely the disproportionate coverage they get simply by virtue of a) being from London, and b) providing the England captain and final goalscorers from 1966. Apart from that they seem okay enough to me.
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I do quite like the look of Supertom's line up mainly because Westwood isn't in it. I do think he's a weak link. He's not a bad player, i'm just not sure he's good enough.
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In all honesty, the biggest criticism from most West Ham fans last season wasn't so much the style - we all recognised that we had a limited squad and we had to try and get the best out of what we had - it was more that there was no plan B. Plan A was sit deep, keep it tight and look to hit teams on the break (with no pace) or score from set pieces. The problems came when we inevitably went behind because we offered next to no attacking threat.
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Hmm, that does sounds familiar....
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Sendo's return has been my highlight of the past 6 weeks of Villa. Shoot me now (no offence, kid).
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I do quite like the look of Supertom's line up mainly because Westwood isn't in it. I do think he's a weak link. He's not a bad player, i'm just not sure he's good enough.
Hutton is definitely out though
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I do quite like the look of Supertom's line up mainly because Westwood isn't in it. I do think he's a weak link. He's not a bad player, i'm just not sure he's good enough.
I think of our line up a bit like a Subway store sometimes. Ordinarily you have a line of staff. One takes the order and uses the toaster. One does the cold cuts, and then you have someone doing the salad.
When Westwood and Cleverley play it's like having two people on salad, one of whom (Westy) isn't quite as good. His salad distribution is okay, fairly tidy but he takes too long doing it. And in the end you've got two people doing the task of one, and it's a task that's not even necessarily essential as not everyone wants salad in their meatball sub.
I've lost my train of thought and I'm hungry...
Oh yeah...Westwood and Cleverley do too much of the same thing, which is to be tidy and not much more. TC is the better player thanks to his mobility and he doesn't go missing quite so much. If Westwood was a subway worker he'd be the one who keeps disappearing out the back for a fag break.
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I was intrigued to read that N'Zogbia is 'in-form' according to Joe Cole and the BBC gossip column. I guess that our standards have dropped to such a level that one game of showing competence is 'in-form.' Sadly I'm not sure if any others of our players are.
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Joe Cole
What was the point in him as well
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Free transfer, midfielder, was good at some point.
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I was intrigued to read that N'Zogbia is 'in-form' according to Joe Cole and the BBC gossip column. I guess that our standards have dropped to such a level that one game of showing competence is 'in-form.' Sadly I'm not sure if any others of our players are.
We seem to hear every week that Westwood has been in exceptional form. Then he gets out on the pitch and does the square root of chuff all.
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I don't think Westwood has been too bad. However, our midfield just does not work. Whose fault it is I do not know.
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I was intrigued to read that N'Zogbia is 'in-form' according to Joe Cole and the BBC gossip column. I guess that our standards have dropped to such a level that one game of showing competence is 'in-form.' Sadly I'm not sure if any others of our players are.
It's the modern media way: after Sunday Kane was given MoM...for 15 minutes' play and the following day he's promoted as the new saviour of English football...same as Berahino...same as...(insert name of any young English player who has one good game/scores a goal)
It's almost N'Zogbia's nature NOT to be in form...he's incredibly inconsistent, as he was at Newc and Wigan.
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Denmark Arms pre-game for a pint and the 12.45 kick off? Last season I only just made it into the ground on time so didn't have the time to sample any of the local boozers which I assume are mostly crap?
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I was intrigued to read that N'Zogbia is 'in-form' according to Joe Cole and the BBC gossip column. I guess that our standards have dropped to such a level that one game of showing competence is 'in-form.' Sadly I'm not sure if any others of our players are.
In form means one left up from abject.
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I was intrigued to read that N'Zogbia is 'in-form' according to Joe Cole and the BBC gossip column. I guess that our standards have dropped to such a level that one game of showing competence is 'in-form.' Sadly I'm not sure if any others of our players are.
It's the modern media way: after Sunday Kane was given MoM...for 15 minutes' play and the following day he's promoted as the new saviour of English football...same as Berahino...same as...(insert name of any young English player who has one good game/scores a goal)
It's almost N'Zogbia's nature NOT to be in form...he's incredibly inconsistent, as he was at Newc and Wigan.
I would say unfortunately N'Zogbia is incredibly consistent. He had a half decent game on Sunday, maybe it will give him a bit of confidence, he actually chased around a bit which impressed me more than anything else he did. The 30 yard charge up the pitch was great until realised he didn't know what to do. He's a really strange player, I'm not sure but I don't think I've ever seen him smile, maybe he's just not suited to the PL but after a season out I'm hoping he'll want to play as much as possible and justify the money we spent on him. I doubt very much he will but I'm more than willing to be proved wrong.
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West Ham have only beaten us 5 times out of the last 27 meetings, lets extend that to 5 out of 28 please.
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3-0. Our only hope is West Ham not knowing what to do with 70% of the ball, but I think they will soon work it out!
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I really hope our fans that turn up late & p****d up remember there will be a minutes silence for rememberence day & don't stand underneath singing & shouting like at Upton Park last season.
I know they probably didn't know what was happening but still embarrassing for the supporters already in there seats.
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I really hope our fans that turn up late & p****d up remember there will be a minutes silence for rememberence day & don't stand underneath singing & shouting like at Upton Park last season.
I know they probably didn't know what was happening but still embarrassing for the supporters already in there seats.
I don't understand why people are still underneath when the match is about to start.
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I really hope our fans that turn up late & p****d up remember there will be a minutes silence for rememberence day & don't stand underneath singing & shouting like at Upton Park last season.
I know they probably didn't know what was happening but still embarrassing for the supporters already in there seats.
I don't understand why people are still underneath when the match is about to start.
I've been downstairs for a piss 20 mins into some away games and there's always people down there standing round for some reason. I don't get it either.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
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I miss the kick off sometimes, as I am often serially late!
Beer throwing at half time is the daftest thing I ever see. We'll be winning on Saturday, actually two goals to the good and you will see that beer throwing nonsense going on underneath.
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QPR the other week was the first kick off I've made for about 10 years. My record is West Ham, when Savo scored 2 goals and we got in just as the second half was kicking off.
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Missed the first few minutes of Spurs too. Swansea last season was bloody annoying, as I missed our goal!
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Missed the first few minutes of Spurs too. Swansea last season was bloody annoying, as I missed our goal!
And they're as rare as hens teeth ::)
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I was intrigued to read that N'Zogbia is 'in-form' according to Joe Cole and the BBC gossip column. I guess that our standards have dropped to such a level that one game of showing competence is 'in-form.' Sadly I'm not sure if any others of our players are.
It's the modern media way: after Sunday Kane was given MoM...for 15 minutes' play and the following day he's promoted as the new saviour of English football...same as Berahino...same as...(insert name of any young English player who has one good game/scores a goal)
It's almost N'Zogbia's nature NOT to be in form...he's incredibly inconsistent, as he was at Newc and Wigan.
So he's consistently inconsistent ???
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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Pretty sure they were closing turnstiles the closer it got to kick off...we had to be sent to another one to get in and were only just in time...meaning that the usual late arrivals were later than usual and "disturbed" the minute's silence that they didn't know was happening.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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The Doc
Pretty sure they were closing turnstiles the closer it got to kick off...we had to be sent to another one to get in and were only just in time...meaning that the usual late arrivals were later than usual and "disturbed" the minute's silence that they didn't know was happening.
yep I believe you are right Frank as it has just reminded me that as I was about to go in last season they closed at least two of the turnstiles which made the situation worse.
It still is a nightmare of an away end to get in and out of...
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I was intrigued to read that N'Zogbia is 'in-form' according to Joe Cole and the BBC gossip column. I guess that our standards have dropped to such a level that one game of showing competence is 'in-form.' Sadly I'm not sure if any others of our players are.
It's the modern media way: after Sunday Kane was given MoM...for 15 minutes' play and the following day he's promoted as the new saviour of English football...same as Berahino...same as...(insert name of any young English player who has one good game/scores a goal)
It's almost N'Zogbia's nature NOT to be in form...he's incredibly inconsistent, as he was at Newc and Wigan.
So he's consistently inconsistent ???
Correct!
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I've missed a few home kick offs. Another thing I don't get is blokes who have been on the piss for 3 hours before a game decide to leave their seat half hour into the first half to queue up for the bar.
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Hutton is out. Guess that means Lowton at RB again :-\
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I thought that it had already been said that the Scottish Cafu was out until the new year. Was his injury not as bad as first thought?
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I've missed a few home kick offs. Another thing I don't get is blokes who have been on the piss for 3 hours before a game decide to leave their seat half hour into the first half to queue up for the bar.
I always missed KO when selling H&V, but I had an aisle seat to make sure I wasn't disturbing anyone by appearing late.
I never get the ones who turn up 15 mins into the game, go to the bar 15 mins before HT, come back 15 mins into the second half, and then leave 10-15 mins early. What is the point in going!
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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The Doc
Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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The Doc
Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
That's all well and good but it's a modern development that has no historical background.
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Considered a fiorm team and improving from last season obviously the hope was and still is that its Villa but credit West Ham as they are currently playing well.
Adrian GK somewhat temperamental, good shot stopper less so on deep crosses and being challenge on corners.
Cresswell. LB attacking strength moves forward quickly, good left foot and can deliver. Chances are often given to opposing players through naive positioning and advancing forward. Can be exploited.Question mark on level not experience .
Jenkins on RB promising full back , is on loan to prove to Arsenal he's top level. however injury prone, suspect in balance but good athlete. Fits into current west ham philosophy of attacking play. A player who is still working on making the right defensive decisions.
Collins CB rugged defender brought in to play against stoke . Great blocking and tackling , experience vs lack of pace leads to inconsistent performance. also struggles on a 90 minutes level due to injuries . May be retaining place but could sit out depdning injury situations.The choice is between him or Tomkins .
Reid CB Solid dependable centre back likely to play shaking off injury
Midfield
Kouyate has adapted well in the fitness and the physcial presence and attribute to hold and play in midfield. Weakness in passing , decision making but can move with ball . Is adapting to the tactics .
Noble a seemingly fans favourite local boy. Passionate and the one taker. box to box and energetic plays well when crowd get behind him.
DM Song . deployed to take the ball and add the steel in the middle. quality performer though can be both rash and I'll disclpined when things aren't occurring. Can also be a catalyst and major contributor to holding the midfield.
Downing AM Playing in the hole and given opportunity to be a creator. provides a threat on set pieces and crossing. fitness level currently very good and this has produced inspired play and form. Goal threat as well as assist. Danger man.
striker
Valenica technical lly very impressive both from dead ball and in to feet and back to goal. Very Lacey and a real danger. Has a real eye for goal.
Sakho expected to shake off injury to start in attack. Attacking player who is both good in air and shooting. Has adapted well and is a danger in the box. find space well.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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The Doc
Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
That's all well and good but it's a modern development that has no historical background.
Some of us like to pay our respects.
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Some of us like to pay our respects.
Indeed we do. But there were another ten days in which to do so; I can't see the point of it so early.
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Some of us like to pay our respects.
Indeed we do. But there were another ten days in which to do so; I can't see the point of it so early.
As I said, it was the Club's last chance before 11 Nov.
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I didn't mind last weeks minutes silence too much but I think the match closest to the date would be better all round I think.
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Some of us like to pay our respects.
Indeed we do. But there were another ten days in which to do so; I can't see the point of it so early.
As I said, it was the Club's last chance before 11 Nov.
That's as maybe, but there was still no need. We'll all have plenty of opportunity in the days leading up to November 11th.
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I thought that it had already been said that the Scottish Cafu was out until the new year. Was his injury not as bad as first thought?
Must've missed that then. I hope he'll be back before 2015, he's been our best player this season.
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I like to pay my respects, and I think it is incredibly important that we remember those who gave their lives for us, but I don't see why it is that football clubs feel (in recent years) they have to have one, too, even if the match is 10 days before November 11th.
If the match is on the 11th, then yes, obviously, but it seems strange to do it over a week before.
We all get our chance to pay our respects on the 11th. I don't know why recently we find ourselves doing it 10 days before - at least not any more than any of the other 364 days of the year.
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So do I. This year I will be paying my respects at least four times. Villa at home. Villa away. Work. The actual moment.
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Reports indicate that Hutton & Senderos will miss this match but Carroll is likely to return. Why not just rename our club Strikers Revived FC?
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Will we stop West Ham scoring ..unlikely
Will we score more than one ...even more unlikely
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All these people joining in with the official forum line about the silence (belittling it) should be ashamed of themselves. I had heard from other forums that H&V was full of people who just followed their leader. Now it has been confirmed. Most of the forum are good people but a small bunch sit there waiting to pounce on people, even if they agree with them. A dreadful collection of folk occupy the group of stooges and let down the majority of decent people on this forum.
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All these people joining in with the official forum line about the silence (belittling it) should be ashamed of themselves. I had heard from other forums that H&V was full of people who just followed their leader. Now it has been confirmed. Most of the forum are good people but a small bunch sit there waiting to pounce on people, even if they agree with them. A dreadful collection of folk occupy the group of stooges and let down the majority of decent people on this forum.
Nice one Dennis. Now, before you run back to your little friends and tell them what a horrible, nasty man I am and they all agree, how about you, for once, pointing out one bit of evidence that backs up what you've just said? Just one post, then you can go back home.
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All these people joining in with the official forum line about the silence (belittling it) should be ashamed of themselves. I had heard from other forums that H&V was full of people who just followed their leader. Now it has been confirmed. Most of the forum are good people but a small bunch sit there waiting to pounce on people, even if they agree with them. A dreadful collection of folk occupy the group of stooges and let down the majority of decent people on this forum.
Nice one Dennis. Now, before you run back to your little friends and tell them what a horrible, nasty man I am and they all agree, how about you, for once, pointing out one bit of evidence that backs up what you've just said? Just one post, then you can go back home.
Dave. There are loads on this forum that are far worse than you. Don't take it personally.
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All these people joining in with the official forum line about the silence (belittling it) should be ashamed of themselves. I had heard from other forums that H&V was full of people who just followed their leader. Now it has been confirmed. Most of the forum are good people but a small bunch sit there waiting to pounce on people, even if they agree with them. A dreadful collection of folk occupy the group of stooges and let down the majority of decent people on this forum.
Nice one Dennis. Now, before you run back to your little friends and tell them what a horrible, nasty man I am and they all agree, how about you, for once, pointing out one bit of evidence that backs up what you've just said? Just one post, then you can go back home.
Dave. There are loads on this forum that are far worse than you. Don't take it personally.
I'll take that as meaning you can't.
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I hope the people who are really upset about this don't just pay their respects to our fallen heroes on Nov 11th. That you do it in different ways throughout the year. It's all a bit like Christmas Mass otherwise when you've never had any desire to go to church the other 364 days. Football doesn't have an obligation to this. We do, as individuals, and having this so far in advance is a bit silly really.
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I hope the people who are really upset about this don't just pay their respects to our fallen heroes on Nov 11th. That you do it in different ways throughout the year. It's all a bit like Christmas Mass otherwise when you've never had any desire to go to church the other 364 days. Football doesn't have an obligation to this. We do, as individuals, and having this so far in advance is a bit silly really.
How strange that yet another person shares this view.
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Meanwhile, back in the pre match West Ham versus Villa thread.......
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Why do football clubs feel the need to mark the occasion when we pay our respects on the 11th and Remembrance Sunday anyway? If a match falls on either day fair enough, but if it doesn't then we should just play the game. The cynic in me just thinks it's a PR style ticking of the box stunt.
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Why do football clubs feel the need to mark the occasion when we pay our respects on the 11th and Remembrance Sunday anyway? If a match falls on either day fair enough, but if it doesn't then we should just play the game. The cynic in me just thinks it's a PR style ticking of the box stunt.
That's your trouble. You're always agreeing with me.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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The Doc
Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
That's all well and good but it's a modern development that has no historical background.
Some of us like to pay our respects.
Its also noted that this year is specifically poignant with 100 years anniversary. I heard Villa gave some people -those involved with armed forces free admission as part of premier league initative and own clubs support. Similarly all premier league clubs this weekend are giving tickets for troops. I understand both sides of this discussion .
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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The Doc
Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
That's all well and good but it's a modern development that has no historical background.
Some of us like to pay our respects.
Its also noted that this year is specifically poignant with 100 years anniversary. I heard Villa gave some people -those involved with armed forces free admission as part of premier league initative and own clubs support. Similarly all premier league clubs this weekend are giving tickets for troops. I understand both sides of this discussion .
There's nothing to suggest anyone even remotely disagrees with free tickets for soldiers, not even a suggestion of it.
That's a totally different thing, people are talking specifically about the silence / ceremony so far off the actual date.
The fact Dennis has got his knickers in a twist and equated suggesting that "why do it on a date which isn't even remembrance sunday" with "I don't respect our troops" is not only a half-baked, misinterpreted bit of self righteous nonsense, but also a bit depressing.
What kind of person suggests people don't like to pay their respects for daring to argue the above?
What does Dennis know about any of us, what losses our families have been through while serving their country? I'll answer that. Nothing. Which makes it a bit depressing to see him mounting his high horse.
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Also, out of interest, Dennis, did you use to post on TBAR by any chance?
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I hope the people who are really upset about this don't just pay their respects to our fallen heroes on Nov 11th. That you do it in different ways throughout the year. It's all a bit like Christmas Mass otherwise when you've never had any desire to go to church the other 364 days. Football doesn't have an obligation to this. We do, as individuals, and having this so far in advance is a bit silly really.
How strange that yet another person shares this view.
Am I not entitled my own view? That's kind of how it works on here.
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From the TV coverage we got over here the Club and Fans did a great job. It was very moving and as
I was watching it feeling very proud of my club for the way that they paid their respects.
At least when we do something like this Aston Villa do it right.
Well done to all concerned.
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I'll go with supertom's team. If Gabby starts with Weimann...... scrap everything.
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I hope the people who are really upset about this don't just pay their respects to our fallen heroes on Nov 11th. That you do it in different ways throughout the year. It's all a bit like Christmas Mass otherwise when you've never had any desire to go to church the other 364 days. Football doesn't have an obligation to this. We do, as individuals, and having this so far in advance is a bit silly really.
How strange that yet another person shares this view.
Am I not entitled my own view? That's kind of how it works on here.
No. You are our puppet!
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Why do football clubs feel the need to mark the occasion when we pay our respects on the 11th and Remembrance Sunday anyway? If a match falls on either day fair enough, but if it doesn't then we should just play the game. The cynic in me just thinks it's a PR style ticking of the box stunt.
Welcome to stooge no.1.
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From the TV coverage we got over here the Club and Fans did a great job. It was very moving and as
I was watching it feeling very proud of my club for the way that they paid their respects.
At least when we do something like this Aston Villa do it right.
Well done to all concerned.
Exactly what I thought.
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From the TV coverage we got over here the Club and Fans did a great job. It was very moving and as
I was watching it feeling very proud of my club for the way that they paid their respects.
At least when we do something like this Aston Villa do it right.
Well done to all concerned.
Agreed.
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Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
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You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
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That's all well and good but it's a modern development that has no historical background.
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Some of us like to pay our respects.
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Its also noted that this year is specifically poignant with 100 years anniversary. I heard Villa gave some people -those involved with armed forces free admission as part of premier league initative and own clubs support. Similarly all premier league clubs this weekend are giving tickets for troops. I understand both sides of this discussion .
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There's nothing to suggest anyone even remotely disagrees with free tickets for soldiers, not even a suggestion of it.
That's a totally different thing, people are talking specifically about the silence / ceremony so far off the actual date.
The fact Dennis has got his knickers in a twist and equated suggesting that "why do it on a date which isn't even remembrance sunday" with "I don't respect our troops" is not only a half-baked, misinterpreted bit of self righteous nonsense, but also a bit depressing.
What kind of person suggests people don't like to pay their respects for daring to argue the above?
What does Dennis know about any of us, what losses our families have been through while serving their country? I'll answer that. Nothing. Which makes it a bit depressing to see him mounting his high horse.
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What we do know is that you are totally obnoxious.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
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The Doc
Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
That's all well and good but it's a modern development that has no historical background.
Some of us like to pay our respects.
Its also noted that this year is specifically poignant with 100 years anniversary. I heard Villa gave some people -those involved with armed forces free admission as part of premier league initative and own clubs support. Similarly all premier league clubs this weekend are giving tickets for troops. I understand both sides of this discussion .
There's nothing to suggest anyone even remotely disagrees with free tickets for soldiers, not even a suggestion of it.
That's a totally different thing, people are talking specifically about the silence / ceremony so far off the actual date.
The fact Dennis has got his knickers in a twist and equated suggesting that "why do it on a date which isn't even remembrance sunday" with "I don't respect our troops" is not only a half-baked, misinterpreted bit of self righteous nonsense, but also a bit depressing.
What kind of person suggests people don't like to pay their respects for daring to argue the above?
What does Dennis know about any of us, what losses our families have been through while serving their country? I'll answer that. Nothing. Which makes it a bit depressing to see him mounting his high horse.
Sorry that I messed up my quote.
Why are you totally obnoxious?
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So...West Ham anyone?
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So...West Ham anyone?
Not now. I'm having a minute's silence.
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I hope the people who are really upset about this don't just pay their respects to our fallen heroes on Nov 11th. That you do it in different ways throughout the year. It's all a bit like Christmas Mass otherwise when you've never had any desire to go to church the other 364 days. Football doesn't have an obligation to this. We do, as individuals, and having this so far in advance is a bit silly really.
How strange that yet another person shares this view.
Am I not entitled my own view? That's kind of how it works on here.
Do those of you in some sort of clique contact each other to decide which posts to agree or disagree on? I am told you have a secret forum where you slag off other posters. If that is true, it is very distasteful.
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Do those of you in some sort of clique contact each other to decide which posts to agree or disagree on? I am told you have a secret forum where you slag off other posters. If that is true, it is very distasteful.
I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you afterwards ;-)
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It's a bit rich for you to be accusing others of distasteful forum etiquette, considering you were temporarily banned for racist posts on another forum, were you not?
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I don't mind the commemoration being so far from Remembrance Day. Seems quite natural to me that the club should want to mark the occasion with everyone together as an institution, and Sunday was the closest date possible. Sure, everyone can and will pay their respects in their own way on the day itself, but this was the club's opportunity to honour some local veterans in front of a big crowd. I think that's fair enough.
Does this mean I have to start a club with Dennis?
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I don't mind the commemoration being so far from Remembrance Day. Seems quite natural to me that the club should want to mark the occasion with everyone together as an institution, and Sunday was the closest date possible. Sure, everyone can and will pay their respects in their own way on the day itself, but this was the club's opportunity to honour some local veterans in front of a big crowd. I think that's fair enough.
Does this mean I have to start a club with Dennis?
Not at all, it means that you are entitled to your opinion. You aren't calling people out as being part of some conspiracy just because they take a different view.
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Is it really a problem with the Villa holding a minute's silence when they did?
Or should we not do it at all and risk the Birmingham Post 'Villa snub Remembrance Day Heroes' headlines.
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Is it really a problem with the Villa holding a minute's silence when they did?
Or should we not do it at all and risk the Birmingham Post 'Villa snub Remembrance Day Heroes' headlines.
You can just see the Sunday Mercury now "Nazi-Lover Villa's Remembrance Day of Shame."
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I don't mind the commemoration being so far from Remembrance Day. Seems quite natural to me that the club should want to mark the occasion with everyone together as an institution, and Sunday was the closest date possible. Sure, everyone can and will pay their respects in their own way on the day itself, but this was the club's opportunity to honour some local veterans in front of a big crowd. I think that's fair enough.
Does this mean I have to start a club with Dennis?
Not at all, it means that you are entitled to your opinion. You aren't calling people out as being part of some conspiracy just because they take a different view.
Dennis, if you're reading this...it's lies, Dennis, don't believe them, for god's sake! They're going to mock us mercilessly for our independence of mind, then banish us from their conformist cult - to VT or some other living hell on earth. I've seen it too many times before. The pages of H&V are strewn with the redolent death wails of dissidents...we're next, mark my words! Save yourself man, while you still can! FLEE THE PERSECUTION!!!
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before he started blowing smoke rings up his own arse and falling for his own PR, Mark was a really good goalkeeper
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Didn't FIFA try and outlaw the poppies on shirts thing ? And all related war / religious stuff ?
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It's a bit rich for you to be accusing others of distasteful forum etiquette, considering you were temporarily banned for racist posts on another forum, were you not?
What a wanker.
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It's a bit rich for you to be accusing others of distasteful forum etiquette, considering you were temporarily banned for racist posts on another forum, were you not?
What a wanker.
Aha! All becomes clear.
If true a wanker indeed....
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All these people joining in with the official forum line about the silence (belittling it) should be ashamed of themselves. I had heard from other forums that H&V was full of people who just followed their leader. Now it has been confirmed. Most of the forum are good people but a small bunch sit there waiting to pounce on people, even if they agree with them. A dreadful collection of folk occupy the group of stooges and let down the majority of decent people on this forum.
Your post is highly amusing. Haven't you come from a forum who's so called 'leader' put people into their own little trolls group when they disagreed with him?
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Let's get back to the west ham game . Expectations are so low for Tomorrow we may spring a surprise ? Highly unlikely I know . What do I really want to see other than 3 or 1 point(s).
Passion , determination, organisation, blood sweat and tears.
If we have all of that and still lose so be it.
If we get rolled over softly again it will be disgraceful.
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Our losing streak WILL end some time and it may as well be tomorrow. Sod it - 1-1. Andi for us, who cares for them.
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I think a few people expected us to get something out of QPR and a poor Spurs side but we didn't. Not many are expecting us to get anything tomorrow so who knows? If we can play anywhere near like we did last week then a draw is possible. Throw in a QPR performance and we'll deserve whatever we get.
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3-1 to the Villa. Put your house on it.
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3-1 to the Villa. Put your house on it.
Can I put your house on it
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Some of us like to pay our respects.
And I will do so on Sunday and again on the 11th.
I would never use the phrase "poppy fascism" in any serious sense but it does seem that everyone these days has to be seen to be doing something for fear of being branded somehow unloyal or uncaring.
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Some of us like to pay our respects.
And I will do so on Sunday and again on the 11th.
I would never use the phrase "poppy fascism" in any serious sense but it does seem that everyone these days has to be seen to be doing something for fear of being branded somehow unloyal or uncaring.
A very good response there. I can see what you are saying.
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Why do football clubs feel the need to mark the occasion when we pay our respects on the 11th and Remembrance Sunday anyway? If a match falls on either day fair enough, but if it doesn't then we should just play the game. The cynic in me just thinks it's a PR style ticking of the box stunt.
Welcome to stooge no.1.
Bloody hell SH, have you EVER been referred to as a Woodhall stooge before?
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Why do football clubs feel the need to mark the occasion when we pay our respects on the 11th and Remembrance Sunday anyway? If a match falls on either day fair enough, but if it doesn't then we should just play the game. The cynic in me just thinks it's a PR style ticking of the box stunt.
Welcome to stooge no.1.
Bloody hell SH, have you EVER been referred to as a Woodhall stooge before?
Would SH be a Larry, a Curly or a Moe I wonder?
Poll!!
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Why do football clubs feel the need to mark the occasion when we pay our respects on the 11th and Remembrance Sunday anyway? If a match falls on either day fair enough, but if it doesn't then we should just play the game. The cynic in me just thinks it's a PR style ticking of the box stunt.
Welcome to stooge no.1.
Bloody hell SH, have you EVER been referred to as a Woodhall stooge before?
Who's Iggy Pop, that's what I want to know.
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Fat Sam has won Manager of the Month and Sakho has won Player of the Month. Lawro has us down to lose. Nailed on away win now. Let the good times roll!!
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Some of us like to pay our respects.
And I will do so on Sunday and again on the 11th.
I would never use the phrase "poppy fascism" in any serious sense but it does seem that everyone these days has to be seen to be doing something for fear of being branded somehow unloyal or uncaring.
At a previous place of employment we would watch out for the first senior manager to "set the tone" by donning a poppy.
October 19th was the record.
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On thread: It would be good to see us set up to get three points and play with some sense of purpose...not try to soak up/escape pressure and rely on Gabby's mood to provide anything resembling a threat on their goal.
Evertheoptimist, at least a point!
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Think we need a battling performance like that of Stoke or Liverpool to get a result here. Think I would go with Gabby and Weinmann as a front two here.
Does anyone know if this is game is on the radio? With West Ham doing so well, and us badly needing points thought it might be one of interest.
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Does anyone know if this is game is on the radio? With West Ham doing so well, and us badly needing points thought it might be one of interest.
Think it might be live on Absolute Radio.
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Does anyone know if this is game is on the radio? With West Ham doing so well, and us badly needing points thought it might be one of interest.
Think it might be live on Absolute Radio.
Okay forgot they did live games. Might give it a listen just for a laugh if nothing else.
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I think we will win tomorrow. They're in good form, but they're still a mid-table side at best.
I think we will see a return of a spot of pressing, with Sanchez in particular pressing Downing, hopefully through some sort of Victorian mangle, as that is the sort of pressing that little weasel deserves.
Andi will be shunted out wide, but I think defensively he will do a job and it will be Charlie playing off Gabby. Senderos to make us a lot more solid at the back.
1-2 Villa.
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Why do football clubs feel the need to mark the occasion when we pay our respects on the 11th and Remembrance Sunday anyway? If a match falls on either day fair enough, but if it doesn't then we should just play the game. The cynic in me just thinks it's a PR style ticking of the box stunt.
Welcome to stooge no.1.
Bloody hell SH, have you EVER been referred to as a Woodhall stooge before?
Dennis, I am not going to join in this argument, but I would just point out that Saunders Heroes is one of the very last people on H and V to whom you could make this accusation. Had you been on H and V for longer, you would know this for a fact.
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west ham are shit, but that really dont matter, as we score around 0.5 goals every two games and we scored against spurs therfore it will be aston villa 0 so if west ham get a sniff gaurantee Downing will be having a few shots, that makes 7 premier league games zero points. Is randolf shagging paul, he's certainly fucking us up.
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I agree and I am approximately there 15 mins before kick off.
just to defend some of the fans that came that day, it is a nightmare to get into West Ham, there was no announcement about the minutes silence and their Stewards hardly said a word about it.
UTV
The Doc
Similar things happened last week. It's downright daft to be holding Remembrance silences on November 1st.
You could have heard a pin drop in Villa Park. The silence was impeccably observed. It was the Club's last chance to do this before 11th November and most people in the ground applauded those taking part as they left the pitch area.
That's all well and good but it's a modern development that has no historical background.
Some of us like to pay our respects.
Its also noted that this year is specifically poignant with 100 years anniversary. I heard Villa gave some people -those involved with armed forces free admission as part of premier league initative and own clubs support. Similarly all premier league clubs this weekend are giving tickets for troops. I understand both sides of this discussion .
There's nothing to suggest anyone even remotely disagrees with free tickets for soldiers, not even a suggestion of it.
That's a totally different thing, people are talking specifically about the silence / ceremony so far off the actual date.
The fact Dennis has got his knickers in a twist and equated suggesting that "why do it on a date which isn't even remembrance sunday" with "I don't respect our troops" is not only a half-baked, misinterpreted bit of self righteous nonsense, but also a bit depressing.
What kind of person suggests people don't like to pay their respects for daring to argue the above?
What does Dennis know about any of us, what losses our families have been through while serving their country? I'll answer that. Nothing. Which makes it a bit depressing to see him mounting his high horse.
Sorry that I messed up my quote.
Why are you totally obnoxious?
Coming from you, that's quite something.
Anyway, it's been fun. Maybe they'll let you back at TBAR if you apologise enough? They look like they could use all the members they can get.
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If Lambert wants to continue with his negative philosophy, can we at least go the whole hog and have one big man up top, park the bus and launch the ball forward at every chance.
Be bloody dirty at the same time.
Its got to be better than... just being shite.
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West Ham 0 Villa 3. Delph to come on as an 85th minute sub in a sling and score a hat trick, before signing a new contract in front of the away end with his good arm.
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If Lambert wants to continue with his negative philosophy, can we at least go the whole hog and have one big man up top, park the bus and launch the ball forward at every chance.
Be bloody dirty at the same time.
Its got to be better than... just being shite.
His first two seasons we were always right at the top, or near the top, of the long ball league table. This season we're comfortably bottom half, so in one respect we at least appear to be trying to keep it on the deck a bit more, though undoubtedly, Benteke missing half the season so far would skew the stats, but ironically I think we look even less effective not being quite as direct.
I'd stick Bent or Andi up alongside Benteke (when he's back) and then try and little and large it. At the very least as a last 30 minutes sort of option.
That said, a return of a 4-2-4 which we saw against Bradford would be horrible.
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I'd actually start Bent tomorrow. As a target man he'd still be effective and wins the ball in the air.
I'd also put cleverley wide and go for a 4-4-2.
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West Ham 0 Villa 3. Delph to come on as an 85th minute sub in a sling and score a hat trick, before signing a new contract in front of the away end with his good arm.
Jesus, Des, how about a bit of positive thinking?
He's going to sign it with his bad arm. That's how much he wants to sign it. And loves the Villa.
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Merson says that its a banker home win. That alone makes me convinced we will turn them over.
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Following Sporting Memories shock victory at the Football Business Awards i'm going for another shock win. 1-0 to Villa, with a deflected shot from Westwood in 14th minute. West Ham 17 shots (14 on target) Villa 3 (1 deflected on target).
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can we please introduce drug testing on here.
Anything other than Aston Villa nil is charlie theatre.
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can we please introduce drug testing on here.
Anything other than Aston Villa nil is charlie theatre.
You never know, there might be a West Ham defender who is good for an o.g.
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can we please introduce drug testing on here.
Anything other than Aston Villa nil is charlie theatre.
You never know, there might be a West Ham defender who is good for an o.g.
There is. Baldy Welsh one.
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;) ;)
very good
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can we please introduce drug testing on here.
Anything other than Aston Villa nil is charlie theatre.
You never know, there might be a West Ham defender who is good for an o.g.
There is. Baldy Welsh one.
Unfortunately, now he no longer plays for us he has ascended to near-McGrathian heights, as he showed at VP last season!
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can we please introduce drug testing on here.
Anything other than Aston Villa nil is charlie theatre.
You never know, there might be a West Ham defender who is good for an o.g.
There is. Baldy Welsh one.
Unfortunately, now he no longer plays for us he has ascended to near-McGrathian heights, as he showed at VP last season!
Collins has been excellent this season. I can't see our front men getting too much change out of him tomorrow, particularly as he'll undoubtedly be fired up for the game.
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1-0 Villa and an irate Chicken Run will bag you 14/1.
Get involved.
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I confidently predict James Collins will clatter Gabriel Agbonlahor in the first 10 mins. Gabriel will give that enigmatic smile he is fond of and then....totally disappear for the rest of the match.
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1-0 Villa and an irate Chicken Run will bag you 14/1.
Get involved.
Fat Sam wins Manager of the Month and Sakho player of the month...might even chuck a few quid on Joe Cole scoring a late winner for 1-0 and cue for a very irate home support. :)
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The Doc
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I'm sure we will contrive to lose this game one way or another, it's what we are good at
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A baffling 1-3 away win.
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Think we'll lose 2-0
So put your hard earned on a 2-1 Villa win!
UTV!
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Does anyone know if this is game is on the radio? With West Ham doing so well, and us badly needing points thought it might be one of interest.
Think it might be live on Absolute Radio.
From 3pm tomorrow, the only Absolute we will require is a 1L bottle of the stuff.
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Sadly I don't seem to have Absolute on my Freeview box, and don't think I can get it on my radio either (but will be try) so am stuck with 5Live's coverage of yet another pointless fixture of one of the so called top clubs.
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Sadly I don't seem to have Absolute on my Freeview box, and don't think I can get it on my radio either (but will be try) so am stuck with 5Live's coverage of yet another pointless fixture of one of the so called top clubs.
If you have a smartphone get the free app - tune in radio.
Superb app.
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A draw is the most likely outcome.
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1-3
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Question is,will Joe Cole refrain from celebrating when he scores against his old club,oops sorry,i forgot Lambert never plays him!
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Comfortable home win 2-0
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1-4 Villa
Savo to get 2, Yorke 1 and a stunner from Tommy Johnson.
If only.
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Considered a fiorm team and improving from last season obviously the hope was and still is that its Villa but credit West Ham as they are currently playing well.
Adrian GK somewhat temperamental, good shot stopper less so on deep crosses and being challenge on corners.
Cresswell. LB attacking strength moves forward quickly, good left foot and can deliver. Chances are often given to opposing players through naive positioning and advancing forward. Can be exploited.Question mark on level not experience .
Jenkins on RB promising full back , is on loan to prove to Arsenal he's top level. however injury prone, suspect in balance but good athlete. Fits into current west ham philosophy of attacking play. A player who is still working on making the right defensive decisions.
Collins CB rugged defender brought in to play against stoke . Great blocking and tackling , experience vs lack of pace leads to inconsistent performance. also struggles on a 90 minutes level due to injuries . May be retaining place but could sit out depdning injury situations.The choice is between him or Tomkins .
Reid CB Solid dependable centre back likely to play shaking off injury
Midfield
Kouyate has adapted well in the fitness and the physcial presence and attribute to hold and play in midfield. Weakness in passing , decision making but can move with ball . Is adapting to the tactics .
Noble a seemingly fans favourite local boy. Passionate and the one taker. box to box and energetic plays well when crowd get behind him.
DM Song . deployed to take the ball and add the steel in the middle. quality performer though can be both rash and I'll disclpined when things aren't occurring. Can also be a catalyst and major contributor to holding the midfield.
Downing AM Playing in the hole and given opportunity to be a creator. provides a threat on set pieces and crossing. fitness level currently very good and this has produced inspired play and form. Goal threat as well as assist. Danger man.
striker
Valenica technical lly very impressive both from dead ball and in to feet and back to goal. Very Lacey and a real danger. Has a real eye for goal.
Sakho expected to shake off injury to start in attack. Attacking player who is both good in air and shooting. Has adapted well and is a danger in the box. find space well.
Is that you paddy
lol
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Ultra defensive today's reckon, will try and scrape a draw ro stop the rot.
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Senderos may be back which would be a bonus.
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Senderos may be back which would be a bonus.
Oh boy, doesn't this just sum up where Villa are as a club? We are actually celebrating the return of Philippe Senderos. Equally, we are so shit, he actually stands out as one of our better players!
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So hoping for a win or draw but just can't see it, us to score first with the Hammers eventually taking the 3 points with a heartbreaking late winner, thats the way it usually goes for our club, Hammers 2 Villa 1
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Expecting a routine 2-0 defeat with us never threatening today. Would be nice to twat them though.
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Senderos may be back which would be a bonus.
Oh boy, doesn't this just sum up where Villa are as a club? We are actually celebrating the return of Philippe Senderos. Equally, we are so shit, he actually stands out as one of our better players!
How about looking at having a player back from injury as a positive instead of having another whinge?
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Considered a fiorm team and improving from last season obviously the hope was and still is that its Villa but credit West Ham as they are currently playing well.
Adrian GK somewhat temperamental, good shot stopper less so on deep crosses and being challenge on corners.
Cresswell. LB attacking strength moves forward quickly, good left foot and can deliver. Chances are often given to opposing players through naive positioning and advancing forward. Can be exploited.Question mark on level not experience .
Jenkins on RB promising full back , is on loan to prove to Arsenal he's top level. however injury prone, suspect in balance but good athlete. Fits into current west ham philosophy of attacking play. A player who is still working on making the right defensive decisions.
Collins CB rugged defender brought in to play against stoke . Great blocking and tackling , experience vs lack of pace leads to inconsistent performance. also struggles on a 90 minutes level due to injuries . May be retaining place but could sit out depdning injury situations.The choice is between him or Tomkins .
Reid CB Solid dependable centre back likely to play shaking off injury
Midfield
Kouyate has adapted well in the fitness and the physcial presence and attribute to hold and play in midfield. Weakness in passing , decision making but can move with ball . Is adapting to the tactics .
Noble a seemingly fans favourite local boy. Passionate and the one taker. box to box and energetic plays well when crowd get behind him.
DM Song . deployed to take the ball and add the steel in the middle. quality performer though can be both rash and I'll disclpined when things aren't occurring. Can also be a catalyst and major contributor to holding the midfield.
Downing AM Playing in the hole and given opportunity to be a creator. provides a threat on set pieces and crossing. fitness level currently very good and this has produced inspired play and form. Goal threat as well as assist. Danger man.
striker
Valenica technical lly very impressive both from dead ball and in to feet and back to goal. Very Lacey and a real danger. Has a real eye for goal.
Sakho expected to shake off injury to start in attack. Attacking player who is both good in air and shooting. Has adapted well and is a danger in the box. find space well.
Is that you paddy
lol
I am extreemely thakful ll for his run down as i new nothin g of our rivals tpmorow.
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A draw is the most likely outcome.
Hmm.
An in form West Ham at home against a side who has lost 6 on the trot and is missing their two best players. I would have thought an odds on home win.
But who knows, you might be right.
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It is an odds on home win, but as we all know football isn't an exact science
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I don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed at going to a game, in almost thirty years.
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I'd fancy us for a result if Benteke was in
But I can't really see us posing a goal threat
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I have just seen that Sam picked up manager of the month yesterday so I am changing my mind - 2-1 to us.
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Considered a fiorm team and improving from last season obviously the hope was and still is that its Villa but credit West Ham as they are currently playing well.
Adrian GK somewhat temperamental, good shot stopper less so on deep crosses and being challenge on corners.
Cresswell. LB attacking strength moves forward quickly, good left foot and can deliver. Chances are often given to opposing players through naive positioning and advancing forward. Can be exploited.Question mark on level not experience .
Jenkins on RB promising full back , is on loan to prove to Arsenal he's top level. however injury prone, suspect in balance but good athlete. Fits into current west ham philosophy of attacking play. A player who is still working on making the right defensive decisions.
Collins CB rugged defender brought in to play against stoke . Great blocking and tackling , experience vs lack of pace leads to inconsistent performance. also struggles on a 90 minutes level due to injuries . May be retaining place but could sit out depdning injury situations.The choice is between him or Tomkins .
Reid CB Solid dependable centre back likely to play shaking off injury
Midfield
Kouyate has adapted well in the fitness and the physcial presence and attribute to hold and play in midfield. Weakness in passing , decision making but can move with ball . Is adapting to the tactics .
Noble a seemingly fans favourite local boy. Passionate and the one taker. box to box and energetic plays well when crowd get behind him.
DM Song . deployed to take the ball and add the steel in the middle. quality performer though can be both rash and I'll disclpined when things aren't occurring. Can also be a catalyst and major contributor to holding the midfield.
Downing AM Playing in the hole and given opportunity to be a creator. provides a threat on set pieces and crossing. fitness level currently very good and this has produced inspired play and form. Goal threat as well as assist. Danger man.
striker
Valenica technical lly very impressive both from dead ball and in to feet and back to goal. Very Lacey and a real danger. Has a real eye for goal.
Sakho expected to shake off injury to start in attack. Attacking player who is both good in air and shooting. Has adapted well and is a danger in the box. find space well.
Is that you paddy
lol
I am extreemely thakful ll for his run down as i new nothin g of our rivals tpmorow.
Exactly
The only person at villa who knows all the analysis and statistics of every player out there .
By the way . I better tell you its today the game.
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West ham are crap but if you don't have a goal threat (us) I suppose therely be talked up by the media as londons version of real Madrid its official I do not look forward to Saturdays.
yours
Sad bastard
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Can't see us getting any kind of result. West ham 3-0villa
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Okores on the bench maybe?
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In the right frame of mind now. I've got the great Dortmund/German mentality of putting a defeat (or 6) behind me. Roll on the next match.
Come on boys you can do it.
Maybe this is one of N'zogbia's three good games a season. Or perhaps we will just be jammy, it does happen.
Come on the underdogs!
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A win would be fantastic, a draw would be very welcome but I fear a defeat. I just hope if we do lose it is not a thrashing and I hope there is none of the smokescreen of excuse factors we had against Tottenham.
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1 change Gabby for Benteke
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Grealish ?
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I'd have given Bent a start. Gabby is a waste of a place.
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Aston Villa XI: Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Cissokho, Sanchez, Westwood, Cleverley, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor.
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Same predictable line up. No Okore, no Grealish. Expect similar result and performance. At what do you change this up properly? I guess 6 straight defeats isn't enough
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What is the latest with Okore? I just don't get it
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Same predictable line up from the most boring, dour,stubborn manager i have ever seen in all my years following the Villa.Expect the same as every other game ,no goals and no points and the usual "I thought we were excellent"