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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: godzvilla on November 03, 2014, 11:09:45 AM
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Ably abetted by Brad Friedel & Danny Murphy ,the sycophantic Mark Chapman managed to produce one of the most one sided reviews of a Game I have ever seen . Friedel said a few kind words about the Villa before he and his cohorts embarked on an in-depth review of Tottenham,s performance in which they managed to completely ignore Villa,s participation altogether and OTT praise of ' flavour of the month' ( in London )Harry Kane who,s 15 mins on the pitch and ' scoring' of a goal that came off a wicked deflection by Villa Defender , Baker , was apparently enough to make him ' Man of the Match' ?!. Friedel , who had no shame in showing his bias by using " we " when referring to Spurs , condoned the blatant ' in your face ' foul by Spurs midfielder , Mason that got Benteke sent off and stated that the previous provocative tactics by Spurs were the " spice" that Spurs needed .
So apparently Friedel believes its ok to win by foul means then and get fellow Pro,s sent off (?) , I guess he learnt that at Tottenham ?, because he certainly did,nt learn it at Villa. ……..Godzvilla!
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I turned it over after the intro to the game in which they referred to Pochettino as being the manager under pressure!
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I didn't see it but I don't blame Brad for saying "we" and being biased as he is a Spurs player.
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Freidel is still a Spurs player so he's bound to refer to his present club as 'we'.
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I'm glad I don't get to see MOTD anymore or hear the punditry on UK tv.
It sounds relentlessly biased and generally lazy. Commentry we get is the same feed and cringeworthy.
Back inthe day, at least Jimmy Hill told it like it was.
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Freidel is still a Spurs player so he's bound to refer to his present club as 'we'.
Same. He's a Spurs player so what's the problem?
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He was fairly balanced I think. I don't think the media is against us: we're just not very interesting.
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We love the villa but most people watching will think , what's the point in Villa, it likes watching paint dry.
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It didn't really annoy me much and Friedel did correctly state that the game turned on the Benteke incident.
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I turned it over after the intro to the game in which they referred to Pochettino as being the manager under pressure!
Well he is the only manager under pressure in that match. Lambert isn't as even after the last few years and some early results this season without a massive difference in performances, they decide to give him a pay rise and a further 4 years.
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My point re Friedel ( clearly not shared by many )is that , as a Pundit , surely he should maintain a minimal amount of bias ?. Last night,s MOD was supposed to be a review of our game but in reality it was a review of Tottenham,s performance .
I watched the game on TV and thought this was a much improved Villa performance , consequently I was interested to hear the
' key analysis ' of the ' expert pundits' , especially on the Benteke sending off , I really should have known better !...........Godzvilla!
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Haven't watched it since September for obvious reasons
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I honestly can't watch stuff like MoTD when we have results like we have recently.
I don't even read the sports sections of the sunday papers, let alone watch any pundit-based nonsense on Sky.
The last three years or so, I've seen MoTD a handful of times. For obvious reasons.
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I honestly can't watch stuff like MoTD when we have results like we have recently.
I don't even read the sports sections of the sunday papers, let alone watch any pundit-based nonsense on Sky.
The last three years or so, I've seen MoTD a handful of times. For obvious reasons.
Same here. And I refuse to watch it again until Des Lynam leaves.
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Lets face it, thanks to messrs Lambert and Lerner we're a complete non-entity, an irrelevance that nobody gives a shit about anymore.
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I honestly can't watch stuff like MoTD when we have results like we have recently.
I don't even read the sports sections of the sunday papers, let alone watch any pundit-based nonsense on Sky.
The last three years or so, I've seen MoTD a handful of times. For obvious reasons.
I'm glad its not just me who is like this - I even stopped buying the local paper because I had to keep avoiding the Villa match reports. When Small Heath fluked that win at Wembley I went through the paper with a pair of scissors and systematically cut out every single mention of it and binned them before reading what was left.
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I only watched the bit regarding the sending off and in fairness to Murphy he did say that the ref should have sent both off.
I may have misheard but he also said Chadli should have gone for his two footed lunge
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My point re Friedel ( clearly not shared by many )is that , as a Pundit , surely he should maintain a minimal amount of bias ?
Why should he?
When Dublin is on the panel he favours us. See him deciding that Petrov was going to win goal of the month a couple of seasons back to the bewilderment of the rest of the panel.
There are a lot of things to be annoyed about from yesterday's match - a Spurs player talking about a game that Spurs were playing in isn't particularly high up the list.
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I honestly can't watch stuff like MoTD when we have results like we have recently.
I don't even read the sports sections of the sunday papers, let alone watch any pundit-based nonsense on Sky.
The last three years or so, I've seen MoTD a handful of times. For obvious reasons.
I'm glad its not just me who is like this - I even stopped buying the local paper because I had to keep avoiding the Villa match reports. When Small Heath fluked that win at Wembley I went through the paper with a pair of scissors and systematically cut out every single mention of it and binned them before reading what was left.
Same here, I can handle reading about us being shit with other Villa fans who are feeling the pain with me, but the snide joke comments on MOTD followed by something completely inaccurate or smug cockney newspapers trying to tell me Vertonghen didn't deserve to be sent of for his latest Villa Park assault pisses me off no end
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Freidel is still a Spurs player so he's bound to refer to his present club as 'we'.
Same. He's a Spurs player so what's the problem?
He shouldn't be on there then.
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It wasn't the London bias that got me, it was the smug way he refused to condemn the "head butt" which as a senior player he could have done. He then compounded the situation by referring to it as adding a bit of energy to the team. Following that they went on to wax lyrical about Harry Kanes 15 minute appearance and the wonder goal he scored, no mention of the deflection, saying he can take all sorts of free kicks. Last night he came across as a bit of a tosser.
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It did take me a moment to realise that the 'we' he was referring to wasn't Aston Villa. Oh Brad.....
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Ably abetted by Brad Friedel & Danny Murphy ,the sycophantic Mark Chapman managed to produce one of the most one sided reviews of a Game I have ever seen . Friedel said a few kind words about the Villa before he and his cohorts embarked on an in-depth review of Tottenham,s performance in which they managed to completely ignore Villa,s participation altogether and OTT praise of ' flavour of the month' ( in London )Harry Kane who,s 15 mins on the pitch and ' scoring' of a goal that came off a wicked deflection by Villa Defender , Baker , was apparently enough to make him ' Man of the Match' ?!. Friedel , who had no shame in showing his bias by using " we " when referring to Spurs , condoned the blatant ' in your face ' foul by Spurs midfielder , Mason that got Benteke sent off and stated that the previous provocative tactics by Spurs were the " spice" that Spurs needed .
So apparently Friedel believes its ok to win by foul means then and get fellow Pro,s sent off (?) , I guess he learnt that at Tottenham ?, because he certainly did,nt learn it at Villa. ……..Godzvilla!
Am I missing something about him? On the few times I've seen him play, both on loan in the Championship and for Spurs, he's looked nothing more than a workmanlike striker, who seems a touch on the slow side.
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Didn't see it yesterday but normally Brad comes across as a balanced pundit with no bias and he did have some good times at Villa so cannot think he would have much of an axe to grind there.
It could be that it was the producers who decided to focus more on Spurs than Chapman as the host.
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Brad has always been nothing but a pro. Went out of his way to thank us after he left. I don't blame him for being solidly behind his current team.
Also lets face it, a few weeks ago would we have really complained if Ali had waxed lyrical about Sendros roughing up Ballotelli?
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I think Friedel is just another dull pundit that will pretty much sit on the fence or go with the flow. Dull
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Harry Kane - the latest saviour English football.
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I think Friedel was in a tough position and you could see he was challenged by it at times.
Spurs are his employer so he has to be supportive and can't be seen to criticize one of his peers even if he felt Mason should go. I saw nothing wrong with anything he had to say giving that we all know his situation.
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I think Friedel was in a tough position and you could see he was challenged by it at times.
Spurs are his employer so he has to be supportive and can't be seen to criticize one of his peers even if he felt Mason should go. I saw nothing wrong with anything he had to say giving that we all know his situation.
Agreed stomper but my point is he should not have been put in that situation , the job of an analysist is to analyse the game through unbiased eyes . Were he not currently on Spurs books he would have been a pefect candidate .
Too many Radio & TV ´pundits´are London based & London biased . Most of them could give you chapter and verse on the Teams run at various levels by the major London Clubs but seem wholly uninformed about mid to lower table teams , a categorie into which we now sadly fall.....Godzvilla!
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Well we better not lose next saturday because the old goals of the season will be 80-81.
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Only watched MOTD2 to see the sending off thing as I thought something different had happened to the way I saw it "live". It hadn't.
The issue for me isn't that Friedel used the "we" word - that's fair enough, they're his employers.
The issue is with WHAT he said...that Spuds needed a spark and that Mason provided that by pushing his head into Benteke's face and got him sent off....and as godzvilla says, added the "spice" to Spuds' game - ie studs-up tackles by Vertongen and Lamela that, according to Brad, were perfectly ok.
Disappointed in someone I liked as a player but has lost most of my respect by condoning underhand, violent and ironically "professional" tactics to get a fellow pro sent off.
Interesting that Graham Poll's Daily Mail article (sorry, a mate told me he'd seen it and suggested I read it) slams the ref's (Swarbrick) performance, stating that he lost the players' confidence in him, control of the game, should have sent off two Spuds' players and should report both sets of players for their conduct.
My consistent beef with this kind of thing is INCONSISTENCY: another ref would have sent Vertongen off, same for Lamela(?), and definitely Mason (who for his violent conduct had NO ACTION taken at all!!). So, this ref's actions tell players, coaches, fans that it's ok for one player to stick their head into another player's face and NO ACTION will be taken, studs up tackles are not a sending off offence after all (after refs telling us all that they are!) and it's perfectly ok to tell the ref to send another player off and that all that respect stuff is there to be ignored!
If the fourth official saw Benteke's hand he certainly saw Mason's head....so why no action? Which Brad thought was a great part of Spuds' plan.
He came across as more of a twat than me!
But, like Brad, I'm biased.
UTV!
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Isn't Friedel another has been keeper that's been declared bankrupt . I did respect him a lot but his comments on motd2 were so biased and incorrect .
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I think Friedel is just another dull pundit that will pretty much sit on the fence or go with the flow. Dull
I think he's a good pundit actually, who expresses himself very well, and gives a good insight into the game.
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Haven't watched MOTD yet but I think Friedel is actually a cut above the rest when it comes to punditry. I thought he was excellent during the World Cup, when it struck me that (intelligent) goalkeepers have a lot to offer in analysing games as they tend to watch a lot of football, if you see what I mean.
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Haven't watched MOTD yet but I think Friedel is actually a cut above the rest when it comes to punditry. I thought he was excellent during the World Cup, when it struck me that (intelligent) goalkeepers have a lot to offer in analysing games as they tend to watch a lot of football, if you see what I mean.
On this point - has there ever been a goalkeeper turned manager?
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Haven't watched MOTD yet but I think Friedel is actually a cut above the rest when it comes to punditry. I thought he was excellent during the World Cup, when it struck me that (intelligent) goalkeepers have a lot to offer in analysing games as they tend to watch a lot of football, if you see what I mean.
On this point - has there ever been a goalkeeper turned manager?
Peter Shilton for a bit at Plymouth. Dino Zoff springs to mind as well.
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Haven't watched MOTD yet but I think Friedel is actually a cut above the rest when it comes to punditry. I thought he was excellent during the World Cup, when it struck me that (intelligent) goalkeepers have a lot to offer in analysing games as they tend to watch a lot of football, if you see what I mean.
On this point - has there ever been a goalkeeper turned manager?
Peter Shilton for a bit at Plymouth. Dino Zoff springs to mind as well.
Cheers
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I thought it was odd having a current Spurs player as a pundit in the first place. And of course he wasn't going to say his team-mate should have been sent off. Danny Murphy did correctly state that both should have gone for the incident.
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On this point - has there ever been a goalkeeper turned manager?
Dale Belford at Tamworth, but he was shit.
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Watched MOTD2 last night. Brad was ok apart from basically praising Mason for what he did. And having watched the incidents from the game on TV rather than a dodgy stream I came to the following conclusions. Benteke deserved his red. Mason should have gone for his role in it. Soldado should have gone, if one hand to the face is a red, I don't see how pushing another player in the chest (with a lot more force each time than Benteke used) three times isn't. Chadli should have gone for his challenge. Vertonghen (sp?) was borderline. I think a yellow was just about right. So, we should have been playing 8 men. Even we could get a result against 8!
Be nice to see retrospective action taken, but it won't be.
As a slight aside, why was Hart allowed to stick his face right in the ref's face in their game? And how the double foul penalty on Aguero wasn't given is beyond me. Fellaini made it obvious it was a pen with the look on his face as he looked at the ref.
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Haven't watched MOTD yet but I think Friedel is actually a cut above the rest when it comes to punditry. I thought he was excellent during the World Cup, when it struck me that (intelligent) goalkeepers have a lot to offer in analysing games as they tend to watch a lot of football, if you see what I mean.
On this point - has there ever been a goalkeeper turned manager?
Peter Shilton for a bit at Plymouth. Dino Zoff springs to mind as well.
Peter Taylor.
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Haven't watched MOTD yet but I think Friedel is actually a cut above the rest when it comes to punditry. I thought he was excellent during the World Cup, when it struck me that (intelligent) goalkeepers have a lot to offer in analysing games as they tend to watch a lot of football, if you see what I mean.
On this point - has there ever been a goalkeeper turned manager?
Peter Shilton for a bit at Plymouth. Dino Zoff springs to mind as well.
Peter Taylor.
Mike Walker
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Nigel Adkins
Bryan Gunn
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Pope John Paul II
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David Platt.
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Julio Iglesias
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More than I thought - mind you I didn't know half of them where keepers (except for Platt and he was shit at his stint between the sticks)
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Mervyn Day manged Carlisle, apparently.
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Haven't watched MOTD yet but I think Friedel is actually a cut above the rest when it comes to punditry. I thought he was excellent during the World Cup, when it struck me that (intelligent) goalkeepers have a lot to offer in analysing games as they tend to watch a lot of football, if you see what I mean.
On this point - has there ever been a goalkeeper turned manager?
Peter Shilton for a bit at Plymouth. Dino Zoff springs to mind as well.
Yeah, but what did that pair ever win !!
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Paul Barron
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Paul Barron
Has he ever managed? I've always thought he was a coach.
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Guy in charge of Valencia used to be a keeper.
I actually though Friedel had retired, didn't realise he was still technically a player at Spurs. He served us well as a player and I don't have a problem with his comments.
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Paul Barron
Has he ever managed? I've always thought he was a coach.
Tottenham 3 Villa 4
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Or was that Jim...
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So was Morley's screamer at Goodison shown on MOTDs classic goals of the season slot then or what? I hope Zoggy emulates Tony some day soon.
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yeah, just before our game. it'll be on 10 mins before of the end of the programme today .
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Why was Jenas on MOTD this week ? Just to keep the spurs link alive .
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Just about to post about this. jenas I've seen before and he is better than he was last night. he'll get better. Neville showed that he is the reincarnation of everything that was bad about the old boys network school of punditry. Offered no insight but random sentences that any of us could utter. For all his faults Shearer looks like he got the rocket up the arse and understands now that he's being paid a lot of money to inform and discuss. Not just,"He'll be disappointed with that" type guff. Gullitt isn't too bad either. Murphy is probably the best though.
But Phil Neville shouldn't be anywhere near it.
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Murphy makes some good points but has a boring delivery.
Christ Jenas I'd forgotten about playing for us, didn't we have to pay his full wages or most of it from Spurs and typically he got injured in his third game for us.
Has he retired then given he's popping up on tv every five minutes.
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Jenas was on as studio expert during a live game in midweek. I was really surprised he lasted the 90 minutes.
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Why was Jenas on MOTD this week ? Just to keep the spurs link alive .
Anyone else notice he called Cissokho, Sakho and he called Ashley Westwood, Kieron Westwood.
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I don't agree Phil Neville has nothing to offer. I thought his analysis of the vulnerability chelsea have around fabregas's defensive positioning was good for example
You're not gonna get that from savage. He was lambasting the ref on five live for a fantastic decision to disallow the QPR goal yday.
I think Murphy has got the best analysis of the beeb's pundits tho
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Murphy makes some good points but has a boring delivery.
Christ Jenas I'd forgotten about playing for us, didn't we have to pay his full wages or most of it from Spurs and typically he got injured in his third game for us.
Has he retired then given he's popping up on tv every five minutes.
He did his cruciate in April so not too sure. His contract with QPR ran out in the summer. He's only 31 but I suppose with so many injuries he'll struggle to get a contract offer now, if he even feels like he can continue.
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In terms of recent pundits I would say that Murphy and Killbane are the best. Neville is much better than I expected, and if it keeps him away from the commentary box then I am all for it. They are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with Jenas though.
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What a load of shite during the Arsenal/Manure game. Pearce keep going on about Rooney making history. This history he was chasing, and then got? Scoring more PL goals against Arsenal than any other player has. Fuck right off.
"The Dutch master has crafted this victory." when in reality they were 2-0 up after 1 shot on target and having being battered. Fucking fuck right off.
And as an aside, how the hell wasn't it a red for Wilshere?
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Savage claiming it wasn't a red card. Jeeze,
And I like how shoving other players is now allowed. Unless you are Benteke. And some of the diving and play acting today was disgraceful.
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Savage claiming it wasn't a red card. Jeeze,
And I like how shoving other players is now allowed. Unless you are Benteke. And some of the diving and play acting today was disgraceful.
Claiming? It sounded like a full-on argument. Savage by name, savage by nature. I wonder whether Savage thinks any sending off is justified when it involves a non-Villa player.
The commentator during the Newcastle game was terrible. Bloody Newcastle in 4th place now (correction - 5th place after Man United's win).
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Savage claiming it wasn't a red card. Jeeze,
And I like how shoving other players is now allowed. Unless you are Benteke. And some of the diving and play acting today was disgraceful.
Moses, Tompkins and Barkley should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute and Wilshere and Fellaini should be banned on general principles. In the context of today's shenanigans Benteke's sending off and subsequent ban are a fucking joke. Not to mention that Stipeyfilh fucker who clearly tried to break the opposition GK's jaw a few games ago.
If my blood wasn't mostly alcohol my piss would be boiling. Me chakras are well skewed. Bastards.
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Savage claiming it wasn't a red card. Jeeze,
And I like how shoving other players is now allowed. Unless you are Benteke. And some of the diving and play acting today was disgraceful.
Claiming? It sounded like a full-on argument. Savage by name, savage by nature. I wonder whether Savage thinks any sending off is justified when it involves a non-Villa player.
The commentator during the Newcastle game was terrible. Bloody Newcastle in 4th place now (correction - 5th place after Man United's win).
Was it the twat Green?
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It was a new commentator to me but he was terrible, whoever it was.
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It was a new commentator to me but he was terrible, whoever it was.
It was Green and if he's new to you congratulations on avoiding the prick thus far.
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And as an aside, how the hell wasn't it a red for Wilshere?
Same reason it wasn't for the Spurs guy who shoved his face into Benteke's before the latter forearm smashed him in the mush and was sent off. The laws of the modern game.
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Joe Hart shoved his head into a refs face and the commentator laughed it off . The sky5 get away with murder .
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WTF is going on ? Main pundit on motd2 ?
So we are now giving this thug airtime and paying him taxpayers money ?
Seriously wtf !
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He's pretty smart though, as is often the case with psychopaths and sociopaths.
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After Steve Claridge had given a well thought out response with detailed thought
Savage was asked the same simple question on 5 Live on Monday night....
"Do you think Southampton could finish in the top 4 this season"
"I dunno, I dunno, I honestly dunno"
Well fuck you very much for that in depth analysis.
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The BBC has renewed its deal to show Premier League highlights for a further three years, through to and including the 2018/19 season.
The agreement covers the weekend programming of Match of the Day, its Sunday morning repeat, MOTD2, Football Focus, plus a new midweek magazine show to air 10pm Wednesday nights on BBC Two and BBC Two HD
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Good. The alternative doesn't even bear thinking about.
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Good. The alternative doesn't even bear thinking about.
Tactics Truck?
Townsend interviewing a forlorn, unresponsive Ugo having been sent off
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We could combine the best of BBC, ITV, BT and SKY. Clive Tyldesley as chief commentator, a tactics truck containing Robbie Savage and Michael Owen, Garth Crooks handling all the interviews and presented by Jim White.
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Proof, if any were needed, that we are ignored by MOTD. Although, to be fair to them, this season, we cant really complain.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/29/staying-up-late-match-of-the-day-sunderland (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/29/staying-up-late-match-of-the-day-sunderland)