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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: UK Redsox on September 21, 2014, 05:57:15 PM
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When did this not celebrating against your old club nonsense start ?
I'd love to see a player score against his old club and then do a wild over the top celebration in front of the opposition dug out
(Thread could be moved to 'Other Football' in a while)
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Lampard scores against Chelsea and looks embarrassed about it.
http://notvine.co/v/1125516225334910976/
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It's bollox and disrespectful to your new fans. FFS celebrate with the fans without any restraint.
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It started with Dennis Law scoring for Man City against Man Utd therefore relegating them.
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Platt did it years ago when he scored for Arsenal. I think if you have a long career with someone it shows a touch of class not to celebrate.
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It started with Dennis Law scoring for Man City against Man Utd therefore relegating them.
He didn't relegate them, and he wasn't called Dennis.
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Platt did it years ago when he scored for Arsenal. I think if you have a long career with someone it shows a touch of class not to celebrate.
To be honest I don't mind players not celebrating. We'd all have laughed if Lampard had given it loads after scoring against Millwall-with-cash but, realistically, he was never likely to.
I found that I gained a bit more respect for Solano when he decided not to celebrate against us.
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It's bollox and disrespectful to your new fans. FFS celebrate with the fans without any restraint.
That's my view as well. Its an insult to your new team to make it clear to them that your old team is still more important to you.
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Deano Saunders certainly enjoyed all 3 goals against Liverpool in 92-93 as did Collymore vs the Bin Dippers 3-4 seasons later but both for different reasons I feel.
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So many players not doing it and it's really took off over the last five years or so, it's almost become a celebration in itself.
It's all for the cameras really.
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Robbie Keane for us v the Dingles.
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Curtis, Phillips and Dunne didn't celebrate either.
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The most stupid one was when Holi whatshisname from Norwich who we nearly signed didn't celebrate when he scored against us last season
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It started with Dennis Law scoring for Man City against Man Utd therefore relegating them.
He didn't relegate them, and he wasn't called Dennis.
And he didn't kick Alan Deakin in the face when he was on the ground. Have I got that wrong as well?
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I'm sure Denis Law did relegate them with that goal.
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Perhaps not:
Law was then offered a contract by Manchester City manager Johnny Hart, scoring two goals on his debut against Birmingham City in the opening game of the season 1973–74. He made 27 full appearances and two as substitute in that season, including City's 2–1 defeat in the League Cup final against Wolves. In City's last game of the 1973–74 season against Manchester United at Old Trafford, Law's 81st-minute back-heeled goal gave City a 1–0 win but, thinking his goal had relegated United, he did not celebrate it. It turned out they would have been relegated whatever the result, but Law did not know this at the time and walked off the pitch with his head down as he was substituted immediately afterwards. A pitch invasion by Manchester United fans followed, forcing the referee to abandon the game in the 85th minute. After a review, the Football League decided that the result should stand.
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Yes David Platt definitely didn't celebrate his goal at VP for Arse. Always some debate on how much stick he got in that game, I do recall some booing and remember the Match of the Day commentator that night mentioning it too.
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When Platt came out to warm up before that game he came to applaud the Holte. He got a decent reception as I recall but it was 19 years ago.
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You can still celebrate whilst not "rubbing it in". You'd have thought Lampard was at a funeral for the look on his face. For Christ sake you could at least smile, you just scored your first goal for your new club. What a w#nker.
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When Platt came out to warm up before that game he came to applaud the Holte. He got a decent reception as I recall but it was 19 years ago.
He did, and at the final whistle he ran over to the Holte and applauded the Villa fans.
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The most stupid one was when Holi whatshisname from Norwich who we nearly signed didn't celebrate when he scored against us last season
Wasn't that because he was still hopeful of signing for us?
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As I said on the other thread, it should be a yellow card for not celebrating and a red for any of those stupid, poxy choreographed celebrations.
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For a player who has done as much for one club like Lampard did, I can't see the problem with what he did. It does happen far too often, but what he achieved with them is beyond what most even dream about let alone come close to matching.
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For a player who has done as much for one club like Lampard did, I can't see the problem with what he did. It does happen far too often, but what he achieved with them is beyond what most even dream about let alone come close to matching.
I'd agree with that. When players do it after spending 1 year at a club then it's a bit twattish.
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Lampard was there a very long time and wasn't he top premiership scorer or something? He did only leave a few months ago so i can understand it.
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Didn't Lukaku do it last season after scoring against the Bitters? He was only on loan at the dump.
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Didn't Lukaku do it last season after scoring against the Bitters? He was only on loan at the dump.
Wasn't it the other week?
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I don't mind it, players are different from fans, we support one club (generally), players can have an affinity with several clubs and several sets of fans, if they don't want to celebrate in front of fans who were singing their praises previously then fine, it doesn't stop us going mental in the stands does it?
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I prefer them not to celebrate. You've already done all you need to for your present club by scoring in the first place.
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The most stupid one was when Holi whatshisname from Norwich who we nearly signed didn't celebrate when he scored against us last season
I think that was a protest against Norwich rather than any respect for Villa.
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The most stupid one was when Holi whatshisname from Norwich who we nearly signed didn't celebrate when he scored against us last season
I think that was a protest against Norwich rather than any respect for Villa.
He had spent most of the previous week slagging them off in the press, so it wouldn't have been a big surprise if he'd not wanted to seem overjoyed for them to be doing well.
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Hoolihan was definitely protesting. Lampard is very good media wise and diplomatically praised Chelsea and City after the game. I am pretty sure that it was actually a Small Heath win that relegated United rather than Denis Law. The celebration I always remember was Mark Walters break dance in front of the Holte when he put them 1-0 up in the Ronnie Rosenthal game.
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The most stupid one was when Holi whatshisname from Norwich who we nearly signed didn't celebrate when he scored against us last season
I think that was a protest against Norwich rather than any respect for Villa.
There was probably an element of not celebrating v Lambert to be honest. Nothing to do with villa.
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Lamps celebrated when he scored for Chelsea against West Ham. Ran towards the 'Ammers fans to wind them up and ended up getting a pile of small change chucked at him
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Not celebrating a goal against your old team is as self indulgent as 'retiring' from international football. I cringe when football commentators praise the action as some sort of saintly act. Who gives a toss?
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I don't have a problem with players not celebrating against teams they've had a long connection with. Yesterday for instance I don't have a problem with Lampard not celebrating as he'd been a Chelsea for years, so I can understand that.
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The celebration I always remember was Mark Walters break dance in front of the Holte when he put them 1-0 up in the Ronnie Rosenthal game.
Yes, and we got him into the Guiness Book of World Records for amount of wanker signs aimed at one person - a record famously broken 12 minutes later at the same end by Ronnie Rosenthal
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The Lukaku one the other week was ridiculous. He was there on loan for one season. It would be as silly as Kyle Walker sitting on his hands if he scored for Spurs against us.
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Lamps celebrated when he scored for Chelsea against West Ham. Ran towards the 'Ammers fans to wind them up and ended up getting a pile of small change chucked at him
That just about sums it up. Of course he'll say then it was more to do with how the club had treated Frank Senior when he was assistant to 'Arry. However, I'd have thought for the sake of consistency you'd show as much respect for the club that gave you the chance in professional football as the one that made you a multimillionaire.
As has been said, in reality it's just another made-for-TV cliched celebration, just like the "My-WAG's-just-had-a-baby" cradle rocking, badge kissing or slogan hand-written on the T-shirt.
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Lampard was there a very long time and wasn't he top premiership scorer or something? He did only leave a few months ago so i can understand it.
But he did choose to sign for chelskis title rivals so he can't have it both ways.
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Every goal should be celebrated. Including own goals.
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Every goal should be celebrated. Including own goals.
Especially if they are this good!
The own goal condemned Manchester City to relegation to the third tier for the first time, whilst keeping QPR in the division. As a result, a group of QPR fans thanked him by voting him the "most influential man of the past 2,000 years" in an internet poll, where "Jesus came second, apparently."
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Why are fans forums running polls about most influential people over a 2000 year period? Football was invented in 1992 after all.
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Lampard was there a very long time and wasn't he top premiership scorer or something? He did only leave a few months ago so i can understand it.
But he did choose to sign for chelskis title rivals so he can't have it both ways.
Well, he can - he can do his best for his new club but still feel conflicted about damaging his previous club.
He is having it both ways.
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I can understand the likes of Frank Lampard not wanting to celebrate ahainst Chelsea. When you saw Lukaku trying not to celebrate against West Brom however...
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Lampard was there a very long time and wasn't he top premiership scorer or something? He did only leave a few months ago so i can understand it.
But he did choose to sign for chelskis title rivals so he can't have it both ways.
Well, he can - he can do his best for his new club but still feel conflicted about damaging his previous club.
He is having it both ways.
Behave; he can't expect to continue to be universally adored by chelski fans after signing for their closest title rivals through the back door.
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loved it, sort of poetic justice ;D
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Every goal should be celebrated. Including own goals.
Especially if they are this good!
The own goal condemned Manchester City to relegation to the third tier for the first time, whilst keeping QPR in the division. As a result, a group of QPR fans thanked him by voting him the "most influential man of the past 2,000 years" in an internet poll, where "Jesus came second, apparently."
That is really impressive, whereas the Jesus one was from a good cross and nailed on.
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Lampard was there a very long time and wasn't he top premiership scorer or something? He did only leave a few months ago so i can understand it.
But he did choose to sign for chelskis title rivals so he can't have it both ways.
Well, he can - he can do his best for his new club but still feel conflicted about damaging his previous club.
He is having it both ways.
Behave; he can't expect to continue to be universally adored by chelski fans after signing for their closest title rivals through the back door.
He probably doesn't "expect to be universally adored" by their fans. He's a professional footballer not Princess Diana.
He can however, still do the job that he's paid to do while still holding an affinity for his previous club. Which is all that is happening here.
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I don't mind Lampard and other long serving players not celebrating against those clubs.
The ones I can't understand are players who get treated ridiculously by clubs and don't celebrate.
Take Scott Sinclair. Chelsea loaned him out a million times and when he scored v them against Swansea he didn't celebrate!
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I don't mind Lampard and other long serving players not celebrating against those clubs.
Quite. I'd consider it quite nice if Gareth Barry scored against ust and didn't celebrate.
If Steve Sidwell didn't celebrate I'd wonder who on earth he though he was showing respect to by not celebrating.
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Purely down to the individual player and their own personal connection with their previous club and supporters. This could be swayed by personal relationships with directors, managers, coaches, over their treatment, behind the scenes promises, money, or by abuse from supporters on their return. I think Lukaku by all accounts really enjoyed his time with Albion and I think wanted to stay so fair enough in my book - good on him. I'd be disappointed if Barry or Milner celebrated if they scored against us and Milner wasn't even with us for that long really.
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Steve Claridge would never have celebrated against anyone.
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I hated Yorkie when he scored for Blackburn against us, and celebrated. Some pretty horrific chants where being sung though.
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I don't mind Lampard and other long serving players not celebrating against those clubs.
Quite. I'd consider it quite nice if Gareth Barry scored against ust and didn't celebrate.
If Steve Sidwell didn't celebrate I'd wonder who on earth he though he was showing respect to by not celebrating.
I think he did celebrate when he scored for Fulham last year?
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I don't mind Lampard and other long serving players not celebrating against those clubs.
Quite. I'd consider it quite nice if Gareth Barry scored against ust and didn't celebrate.
If Steve Sidwell didn't celebrate I'd wonder who on earth he though he was showing respect to by not celebrating.
Milner didn't celebrate when he scored against us a couple of seasons ago.
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It makes no sense at all to me.
The idea of having any form of respect for Chelsea whatsoever, I mean.
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You're playing for Arsenal, you score the third goal on Saturday instead of Cissokho. Would you really give it the Libor Kozak in front of the Holte End? I wouldn't.
Anywhere else, and I would be running behind the goal, finger on my lips, hand cupping my ear giving it the big one.
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It makes no sense at all to me.
The idea of having any form of respect for Chelsea whatsoever, I mean.
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