Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tony Erdington on June 13, 2014, 02:32:29 PM
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any one know where the Birmingham mail get their info from? regarding Aston Villa, have the mail got Any journalists?
my reason for asking is just had a look at there on-line version, and im thinking they Dont do any research at all. seems they get their info from sites like this.
I havent bought a copy of the paper since it stopped being the Evening Mail.
I read the comments from a few readers regarding there article on Aston Villa and they were all slagging the paper off, because it was just regurgitated news from the Telegraph.
absolute rag.
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any one know where the Birmingham mail get their info from? regarding Aston Villa, have the mail got Any journalists?
my reason for asking is just had a look at there on-line version, and im thinking they Dont do any research at all. seems they get their info from sites like this.
I havent bought a copy of the paper since it stopped being the Evening Mail.
I read the comments from a few readers regarding there article on Aston Villa and they were all slagging the paper off, because it was just regurgitated news from the Telegraph.
absolute rag.
" An absolute Rag " , always was , always will be , bring back the Birmingham Evening Despatch ............Godzvilla !
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I havent bought a copy of the paper since it stopped being the Evening Mail.
I haven't bought a copy since it stopped being The Birmingham Mail.
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I used to love the Argus on Saturdays. Wish they would bring it back.
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Matt Kendrick is their Villa man and he is alright.
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Matt Kendrick is their Villa man and he is alright.
I rarely read the paper but I follow Kendrick on Twitter, his updates are more than useful when we are playing and I'm otherwise engaged.
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Are newspapers those old papery things with typed bullshit printed all over them? They belong to centuries past.
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I used to love the Argus on Saturdays. Wish they would bring it back.
Agreed- I reckon a digital version of the Sports Argus would be a winner. It would have to be better than the Mail digital which is a dogs breakfast of a site.
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Kendrick surely works harder than not so baggy Howell and Hickman before him, he has to with all the easy pickings for online football news sites these days. He's a good lad.
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any one know where the Birmingham mail get their info from? regarding Aston Villa, have the mail got Any journalists?
my reason for asking is just had a look at there on-line version, and im thinking they Dont do any research at all. seems they get their info from sites like this.
I havent bought a copy of the paper since it stopped being the Evening Mail.
I read the comments from a few readers regarding there article on Aston Villa and they were all slagging the paper off, because it was just regurgitated news from the Telegraph.
absolute rag.
I can't imagine the Mail having that long left as a paper. Hardly anyone I know buys it these days (I certainly don't) but when I was a kid our house didn't feel right if it didn't have a copy of the Evening Mail in it. Things are changing and people get their info from other places these days.
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Had a bit of a read of the free copy they always give away on town. It wasn't the greatest.
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Had a bit of a read of the free copy they always give away on town. It wasn't the greatest.
You can download it free every day on the iPad. I'm sure they'll start charging as soon as they call it a day with the paper version.
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Part of me feels sad when newspapers fold, but there's also a recognition that values change over the years and the increased effects of a more digitalised society come into play.
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Part of me feels sad when newspapers fold, but there's also a recognition that values change over the years and the increased effects of a more digitalised society come into play.
Wow
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Matt Kendrick is their Villa man and he is alright.
Agreed. He is a genuine fan who is doing a very good job in difficult circumstances.
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Part of me feels sad when newspapers fold, but there's also a recognition that values change over the years and the increased effects of a more digitalised society come into play.
I love it when newspapers fold. It's the only way I can fit them in my pocket.
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Matt Kendrick is their Villa man and he is alright.
Agreed. He is a genuine fan who is doing a very good job in difficult circumstances.
He started off right.
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Matt Kendrick is their Villa man and he is alright.
Agreed. He is a genuine fan who is doing a very good job in difficult circumstances.
He started off right.
I can see your point, but I well see why he has had to change tack. You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows, and if you do you may well go down with the ship. I genuinely now question whether journalistic objectivity exists anywhere, let alone in sport.
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Matt Kendrick is their Villa man and he is alright.
Agreed. He is a genuine fan who is doing a very good job in difficult circumstances.
He started off right.
I can see your point, but I well see why he has had to change tack. You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows, and if you do you may well go down with the ship. I genuinely now question whether journalistic objectivity exists anywhere, let alone in sport.
Sorry, I meant he started off his career properly, and in particular by having good fortune with his first editor.
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Kendrick is a good writer and does his job well.
I don't understand why so many people seem to focus their anger on him. They seem to think that it is as simple for him to tell the club what he really thinks as it is for us, posting it here, under a cloak of anonymity.
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Matt Kendrick is their Villa man and he is alright.
Agreed. He is a genuine fan who is doing a very good job in difficult circumstances.
He started off right.
I can see your point, but I well see why he has had to change tack. You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows, and if you do you may well go down with the ship. I genuinely now question whether journalistic objectivity exists anywhere, let alone in sport.
Sorry, I meant he started off his career properly, and in particular by having good fortune with his first editor.
You won't believe me Dave, but I completely forgot that he started out on your organ.
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The thought picture I've just had of Matt Kendrick starting on Dave's organ has made me splutter bits of egg sandwich all over my computer screen. ;D
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The Mercury is utter, utter horseshit.
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(if you know Derek and Clive)
Who brought up the Mercury!
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When the wife was pregnant with our lad I diligently read the baby books. They all said she must avoid mercury.
Good news for me as it meant I could dispose of her Queen CD's and put a ban on her buying that shit on a Sunday.
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To be fair, since Trinity Mirror took over the publication a few years ago it's gone steadily downhill. The quality of the reporters for the Mail has steadily declined also, I guess they are on poor renumeration.
The B'ham post was an excellent journalisitic paper, but that is only weekly now. To me, it's a sad decline generally. Sign of the times I suppose.
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While perusing this thread I have suddenly developed a craving for a Lolly-Gobble-Choc-Bomb.
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Last time I read the Mail, they seemed to have only a couple of news reporters judging by the bylines.
Even in it's heyday I only ever bought/read it for Villa news, or the job pages on a Thursday (back before I had much work experience or decent contacts).
There doesn't seem to be a strategy to move online - so I guess there's probably not enough advertising revenue in it. It's a shame, because it would be great if someone could develop a successful online "Brum" news site.
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It's a shame, because it would be great if someone could develop a successful online "Brum" news site.
ahem... http://thebirminghampress.com/
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Last time I read the Mail, they seemed to have only a couple of news reporters judging by the bylines.
Even in it's heyday I only ever bought/read it for Villa news, or the job pages on a Thursday (back before I had much work experience or decent contacts).
There doesn't seem to be a strategy to move online - so I guess there's probably not enough advertising revenue in it. It's a shame, because it would be great if someone could develop a successful online "Brum" news site.
Id say they're actually all geared up to move online. You can already download the full version online free on an iPad every day and if anything they'll scrap the paper version in the not to distant future and make it an online only 'newspaper'.
I actually don't know anyone that still buys the paper version anymore. I think it's dying on it's feet.
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This would not have happened in Charles Foster Kane's day.
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It's a shame, because it would be great if someone could develop a successful online "Brum" news site.
ahem... http://thebirminghampress.com/
He said successful.
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The mail always manages to say something in every report or story that doesn't show us in a good light.
Let's face it, it's not as though we're the biggest club in the area is it.
I think we get a less bias coverage in the express & star unless we're playing the bogies of coures
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It's a shame, because it would be great if someone could develop a successful online "Brum" news site.
ahem... http://thebirminghampress.com/
He said successful.
Our finances are much better than theirs.
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It's a shame, because it would be great if someone could develop a successful online "Brum" news site.
ahem... http://thebirminghampress.com/
He said successful.
Our finances are much better than theirs.
"Our garden shed ..."
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I think Mat Kendrick gets a lot of very unfair stick, but looking beyond football to the way it reports in general, I find the Mail to be incredibly small time, forever running "OMG! A BRUMMIE IS ON THE TELLY!" style articles, whereas the Birmingham Post is a very positive, much more grown up newspaper.
I appreciate they're aimed at different people, and I guess I am not in the Birmingham Mail target segment, but I genuinely don't see why anyone would part with actual money to buy it.
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I appreciate they're aimed at different people, and I guess I am not in the Birmingham Mail target segment, but I genuinely don't see why anyone would part with actual money to buy it.
The non celebrity death page?
To buy a 2nd had table within reasonable proximity?
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I appreciate they're aimed at different people, and I guess I am not in the Birmingham Mail target segment, but I genuinely don't see why anyone would part with actual money to buy it.
The non celebrity death page?
To buy a 2nd had table within reasonable proximity?
Do they still have Maureen Messent frothing at the mouth in the Mail?
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I appreciate they're aimed at different people, and I guess I am not in the Birmingham Mail target segment, but I genuinely don't see why anyone would part with actual money to buy it.
The non celebrity death page?
To buy a 2nd had table within reasonable proximity?
Do they still have Maureen Messent frothing at the mouth in the Mail?
Snobbish, sanctimonious, bigoted but not racist as she has some lovely Asian neighbours Maureen? Oh yes.
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I believe she speaks very highly of you Dave!
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They were giving away free copies this morning, so I took one. Maureen Messent is still in it!
But, there really wasn't that much to read - I got through it in about 15 minutes.
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They were giving away free copies this morning, so I took one. Maureen Messent is still in it!
But, there really wasn't that much to read - I got through it in about 15 minutes.
It has been free on a Friday for quite a while and going by the amount of people that walk past the distributor chaps in town with a polite 'no thanks' it seems that they literally can't even give it away.
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Been chatting to Bill Howell today as I deliver his parcel today. He think a takeover will happens but don't know yet.
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I think Mat Kendrick gets a lot of very unfair stick, but looking beyond football to the way it reports in general, I find the Mail to be incredibly small time, forever running "OMG! A BRUMMIE IS ON THE TELLY!" style articles, whereas the Birmingham Post is a very positive, much more grown up newspaper.
I appreciate they're aimed at different people, and I guess I am not in the Birmingham Mail target segment, but I genuinely don't see why anyone would part with actual money to buy it.
Not many people do anymore... it will be gone in five years.
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They were giving away free copies this morning, so I took one. Maureen Messent is still in it!
But, there really wasn't that much to read - I got through it in about 15 minutes.
That's OK. Some of us are just slow readers.
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Been chatting to Bill Howell today as I deliver his parcel today. He think a takeover will happens but don't know yet.
Insightful
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-prince-william-9296596
such anti Villa reporting......
UTV
The Doc
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-prince-william-9296596
such anti Villa reporting......
UTV
The Doc
It's mind-boggling why they spin everything in such a negative way.
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Been chatting to Bill Howell today as I deliver his parcel today. He think a takeover will happens but don't know yet.
Insightful
Did he say what Chipper Club subs would be this year?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-prince-william-9296596
such anti Villa reporting......
UTV
The Doc
Fair play to them for getting almost an entire page out of one sentence.
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Do they still do Bristow?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-prince-william-9296596
such anti Villa reporting......
UTV
The Doc
It's mind-boggling why they spin everything in such a negative way.
It is amazing. Would it kill the local paper to write the story actually looking forward to good news like this? it took 10 seconds to change it around and left all the facts intact.
Aston Villa fan Prince William talks about the possibility of handing Aston Villa the FA Cup!
The FA Cup Final could be a very good day for Prince William.
The Duke Of Cambridge, Prince William has revealed that the FA Cup Final could be a really good day for him if Aston Villa win.
Not only will he be delighted as a supporter of Aston Villa, he may also present the trophy to Tim Sherwood's side.
Speaking at the National Football Centre today, the Duke who is president of the Football Association will have the responsibility of handing the trophy over to the winning team.
Speaking about the FA Cup Final he said: "It's either going to be a very good day for me, or a very bad day."
It is bizarre. Maybe Dave can give us some clues as to why our local paper wouldn't want to write something positive? Is there an unspoken rule that doom & gloom sells papers?
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I fail to understand a problem here. Mail was there with the front page on "time to go Lambert" after Hull defeat. They gave us saturated coverage both before and after the cup final. Monday and Tuesday editions had 12 ps do pages pull outs. Can't fault them myself.
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I fail to understand a problem here. Mail was there with the front page on "time to go Lambert" after Hull defeat. They gave us saturated coverage both before and after the cup final. Monday and Tuesday editions had 12 ps do pages pull outs. Can't fault them myself.
You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-striker-must-sign-9292453 ?
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Well Barnes did make that comment and it's being reported as it was and lot of people on here would agree that Benteke should play in the Champion League in the near future and that's unlikely to be with us.
Not aware of aware of "hate" or "violence" comment so if correct than that writer is a twat.
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Well Barnes did make that comment and it's being reported as it was and lot of people on here would agree that Benteke should play in the Champion League in the near future and that's unlikely to be with us.
Not aware of aware of "hate" or "violence" comment so if correct than that writer is a twat.
Haha you're either a paperboy or a mail journo
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Well Barnes did make that comment and it's being reported as it was and lot of people on here would agree that Benteke should play in the Champion League in the near future and that's unlikely to be with us.
Not aware of aware of "hate" or "violence" comment so if correct than that writer is a twat.
Well, we only did talk about it on here for a week so maybe you missed it.
And don't see anything wrong with them saying Benteke should be sold.
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It was on the WM thread iirc. I wish one of us had quoted the whole article as it was an utter fucking disgrace by Howell. I quoted a few bits of I think but that's it.
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It was on the WM thread iirc. I wish one of us had quoted the whole article as it was an utter fucking disgrace by Howell. I quoted a few bits of I think but that's it.
Even Bill Howell disowned it, that's how bad it was!
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But they aren't interested in taking shots at us, no siree Bob. From a few weeks ago.
Villa Park: Find out why the Aston Villa 'empty seats, my lord' chant is true this season
"Empty seats, my lord, empty seats" chant the traveling Aston Villa fans at away grounds short of full capacity.
But the musical take on their Paul McGrath-Kumbaya terrace favourite sums up the situation for home games this season.
Villa Park has been the least full stadium in the Premier League during the current campaign.
Villa have been filling an average of just 77.7 per cent of the stadium's capacity this season, which equates to 9,521 empty seats per league game.
The club's average attendance has been 33,161, according to the Premier League's official figures, in a stadium with a capacity of 42,682.
The Villa Park attendance of 25,311 for the draw against Southampton in November was Villa's lowest crowd for 15 years.
Not since the 23,885 gate for a 2-1 win against Sheffield Wednesday in December 1999 have so few fans watched a top flight match in B6.
Fellow relegation battlers Sunderland have the next lowest ratio at 88.6 per cent, with an average of 5,550 empty seats a game.
Burnley come next (89.5 per cent) followed by Hull (92.1 per cent), Southampton (94.1 per cent) and West Brom (94.8 per cent).
The most occupied ground in the Premier League is Manchester United's.
The average attendance of 75,329 represents 99.6 per cent of the stadium's overall capacity.
Arsenal and Chelsea also have high occupancy rates at 99.5 per cent and 99.4 per cent respectively.
Queens Park Rangers have the fourth highest average occupancy rate at 99 per cent.
Swansea, West Ham and Liverpool are tied in fifth place with an average of 98.6 per cent.
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Well Barnes did make that comment and it's being reported as it was and lot of people on here would agree that Benteke should play in the Champion League in the near future and that's unlikely to be with us.
Not aware of aware of "hate" or "violence" comment so if correct than that writer is a twat.
The clue is in the Birmingham bit of Birmingham Mail.
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
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It was on the WM thread iirc. I wish one of us had quoted the whole article as it was an utter fucking disgrace by Howell. I quoted a few bits of I think but that's it.
Even Bill Howell disowned it, that's how bad it was!
He didn't disown it - his editor knew he'd gone too far and had it removed. Then there was the video after the league game where he said he hated Villa more now than he did before kick-off. Try saying that at the Glasgow Evening Times and see how long your windows last.
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Well Barnes did make that comment and it's being reported as it was and lot of people on here would agree that Benteke should play in the Champion League in the near future and that's unlikely to be with us.
Not aware of aware of "hate" or "violence" comment so if correct than that writer is a twat.
Well, we only did talk about it on here for a week so maybe you missed it.
And don't see anything wrong with them saying Benteke should be sold.
Come on Dave, we all know it's been balanced out over the past few months with the number of articles on why Berahino should leave the Albion.
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Maybe in a national paper, but a local paper that is supposed to be supportive of local teams? I'm sure the Manchester papers are full of articles explaining why De Gea should leave for Real Madrid. Why not write an article on why Benteke should stay for at least another season?
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I think this is the only stuff that was quoted on here from that Howell article. I've left my ramblings in there which is why only bits of it were quoted.
Albion appear to have walked under a ladder, on a crack in the pavement, opened an umbrella indoors and then broken a mirror.
There is always a reason we have to play second fiddle to Villa, so this week it's all down to luck. Everyone knows we are better dan da Villa and would have won both games but for bad luck.
Chris Brunt had every right to say something fruity to referee Anthony Taylor not only for the most ridiculous of red cards you will ever see but also after his team had been forced to face a hostile pitch invasion.
It's never our fault, it ay fayre. Our player was fully justified in being abusive to the ref.
Callum McManaman turns to confront an invader? Get over it.
Player tries to assault fans, so what, stop overreacting.
Villa’s stewarding was grossly inadequate and their decision to house home fans in the North Stand simply beggars belief.
I'll ignore the fact that no other fans over the years caused any problems to the Villa fans below, despite tickets being allocated this way for years now.
The FA will throw the book at them.
If I fantasize about it often enough maybe it will happen. Please FA, throw the book at them!
As for Albion? Count your broken seats and used fire extinguishers and send them the bill.
I refuse to put any blame on Albion fans so will trivialise it and make out it's no big deal. But the Villa stuff is the end of the world.
Albion deserved all the stick in the world over their PR goofs last season. But to my knowledge they haven’t killed anyone. Or perhaps someone can find the footage of a stray stripe out in Syria...
Meanwhile the Villa fans who invaded the pitch massacred thousands. SO THROW THE BOOK AT THEM FA and remember our seat throwing was nothing serious.
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The broken seats and fire extinguishers line was the absolute nadir of 'journalism.'
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Maybe in a national paper, but a local paper that is supposed to be supportive of local teams?
Are they supposed to be supportive?
I'd much rather a local media that is fair and balanced. They shouldn't be there to act as some sort of mouthpiece for either the club or the supporters. They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
There's certainly a strong argument that a lot of the local media is deliberately antagonistic, but none of that is on display in that article.
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Maybe in a national paper, but a local paper that is supposed to be supportive of local teams?
Are they supposed to be supportive?
I'd much rather a local media that is fair and balanced. They shouldn't be there to act as some sort of mouthpiece for either the club or the supporters. They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
There's certainly a strong argument that a lot of the local media is deliberately antagonistic, but none of that is on display in that article.
Of course they're supposed to be supportive. They're a Birmingham newspaper writing about Birmingham teams.
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Maybe in a national paper, but a local paper that is supposed to be supportive of local teams?
Are they supposed to be supportive?
I'd much rather a local media that is fair and balanced. They shouldn't be there to act as some sort of mouthpiece for either the club or the supporters. They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
There's certainly a strong argument that a lot of the local media is deliberately antagonistic, but none of that is on display in that article.
I think its a shit piece. Why this obsession over the notion we might lose our best player? Why is the same treatment not handed out to other local clubs? I think the "we actually really do hate Villa" narrative from the local media is well on display in that opinion piece.
Also who the hell is the guy? It looks like he is the second string music journalist at the mail? Why publish his negative opinion of a local team anyway unless you have it out for them?
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On Sterling
Now that player won’t be getting Champions League football and there’s no Suarez or Gerrard so he wants to move on. In come the blinkered Liverpool legends to criticise him but Liverpool have won one trophy in nine years.
If Sterling wants to move to a club where he will take some medals home, that’s pure ambition.
Benteke to Liverpool
He’d have the chance to compete for the league title as well as competing in the Champions League.
I do agree with this though, how many of us give a shit when we are taking Delph from Leeds, Benteke from Genk etc?
On the same note, if Villa decide to replace Benteke with a talent from lower down the pecking order, that wouldn’t make that player a money-grabber for making the move.
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Maybe in a national paper, but a local paper that is supposed to be supportive of local teams?
Are they supposed to be supportive?
I'd much rather a local media that is fair and balanced. They shouldn't be there to act as some sort of mouthpiece for either the club or the supporters. They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
There's certainly a strong argument that a lot of the local media is deliberately antagonistic, but none of that is on display in that article.
Of course they're supposed to be supportive. They're a Birmingham newspaper writing about Birmingham teams.
What's wrong with just being balanced?
Why not just report things as they are rather than needing some sort of loyal slant to it?
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Maybe in a national paper, but a local paper that is supposed to be supportive of local teams?
Are they supposed to be supportive?
I'd much rather a local media that is fair and balanced. They shouldn't be there to act as some sort of mouthpiece for either the club or the supporters. They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
There's certainly a strong argument that a lot of the local media is deliberately antagonistic, but none of that is on display in that article.
Of course they're supposed to be supportive. They're a Birmingham newspaper writing about Birmingham teams.
Even if they should be balanced it should be on the positive side of being balanced. There's no need to offer the negative to Prince William handing the cup to Arsenal for example. What service does that provide other than pissing off fans of the biggest club in the area heading to major cup final. Something the paper should be really proud of.
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Why this obsession over the notion we might lose our best player?Why is the same treatment not handed out to other local clubs?
Well, the obvious answer is that it's been decades since any of them have had a player that the best teams in the world might want to sign.
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How many articles do the Mail do about the shit crowds at small heath? Or about selling Berahino?
Sums up that rag when the bloke behind Often Partisan has done more about the state of things at small heath than the Mail.
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You don't have a problem with one of their writers saying how much he hates us or condoning football violence then?
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-striker-christian-9294019#ICID=FB-Birm-avfc ?
I can't see much wrong with that article. I pretty much agree with all of it. When Benteke leaves (be it this summer, the following one or one after that) then I fully expect that he'll be moving to one of the best teams in the world to win trophies, not just because somebody will pay him more than we are willing to, which was the implication in that shitty Sun article that the writer is criticizing.
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Maybe in a national paper, but a local paper that is supposed to be supportive of local teams?
Are they supposed to be supportive?
I'd much rather a local media that is fair and balanced. They shouldn't be there to act as some sort of mouthpiece for either the club or the supporters. They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
There's certainly a strong argument that a lot of the local media is deliberately antagonistic, but none of that is on display in that article.
Of course they're supposed to be supportive. They're a Birmingham newspaper writing about Birmingham teams.
What's wrong with just being balanced?
Why not just report things as they are rather than needing some sort of loyal slant to it?
How about because every other regional media outlet in the country backs their local clubs, because the Mail will back Birmingham over every other city, they regard Ozzy Osborne as some sort of deity even though he hasn't lived here for forty-odd years, because they support everything else than comes from Birmingham but where its biggest football team are involved suddenly they have to be 'balanced'.
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I would take balanced. Right now the coverage is far from balanced. The Mail should leave Kendrick to cover Villa and send the rest of the clowns back to the "cat in stuck up tree heartbreak" local interest stories. Thats more their speed.
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I have no problem with the local media criticising us when it's justified. It's the absolute bollocks they write about us that pisses me off. And they publish shit by a wanker like Howell who openly hates us, yeah that's fucking balanced.
small heath piss taking aside, they should be endlessly on the disgraceful way small heath are getting screwed, yet a bloke on a fan page does more than they ever will.
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How many articles do the Mail do about the shit crowds at small heath? Or about selling Berahino?
Well, there's this one (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/gossip-manchester-city-bid-west-9237301) on the main West Brom page from a few days ago.
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How many articles do the Mail do about the shit crowds at small heath? Or about selling Berahino?
Well, there's this one (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/gossip-manchester-city-bid-west-9237301) on the main West Brom page from a few days ago.
You mean the one that begins GOSSIP?
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How many articles do the Mail do about the shit crowds at small heath? Or about selling Berahino?
Well, there's this one (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/gossip-manchester-city-bid-west-9237301) on the main West Brom page from a few days ago.
Took you a while to search for it Dave. And it's nothing like the article on Benteke is it. Try again.
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I have no problem with the local media criticising us when it's justified. It's the absolute bollocks they write about us that pisses me off. And they publish shit by a wanker like Howell who openly hates us, yeah that's fucking balanced.
Calm down, I've not said that it is balanced. I've said that it should be balanced.
I've disagreed with people who have said that they should be supporting us. They shouldn't be, they should be reporting things accurately, not with a negative slant and not with a positive slant.
In response to Dave, I'm not really bothered about what other papers do with the clubs local to them. If they want to act as cheerleaders then that's up them. I'd hope for higher standards from anything to do with us. Probably unrealistically, but I'd hope for it anyway.
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How many articles do the Mail do about the shit crowds at small heath? Or about selling Berahino?
Well, there's this one (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/gossip-manchester-city-bid-west-9237301) on the main West Brom page from a few days ago.
Took you a while to search for it Dave.
"Took me a while to search for it"? You just have to click on the link "West Brom" and it's right there. Have you been borrowing danlanza's tin foil hat?
You asked about articles about them selling Berahino. It's there, on the front of the West Brom page.
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Can anyone spot the difference between them?
GOSSIP: Manchester City to bid for West Brom star
Manchester City are thought to be eyeing up a move for West Brom striker Saido Berahino .
The England Under-21 striker has been linked with a number of clubs including Liverpool and today the Mirror reports that City are redy to throw their hat (and weight) into the ring for his signature.
The paper also suggests that the Baggies may listen to a big offer for the player.
Comment: Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke would be right to want to play at a higher level
If Christian Benteke left Aston Villa he wouldn’t just be ‘tekking’ the cash.
There’s an unhealthy fixation at the moment regarding what footballers earn. A prime example is Raheem Sterling.
He’s been one of the stars in an underachieving squad at Liverpool and has arguably been showing a bit too much leg to some of the bigger clubs in Europe - all the while turning down a new reported 100k per week contract.
Putting aside the daft nature of approaching the BBC for an interview then complaining about negative headlines, Sterling hasn’t behaved particularly badly.
He was fantastic last season for the team and great this season until the contract negotiation began to make the news.
Had he been offered a contract last season after finishing second, he would most likely have taken it. Brendan Rodgers called him the best young player in Europe.
Now that player won’t be getting Champions League football and there’s no Suarez or Gerrard so he wants to move on. In come the blinkered Liverpool legends to criticise him but Liverpool have won one trophy in nine years.
If Sterling wants to move to a club where he will take some medals home, that’s pure ambition.
If he was driven by money, he’d have taken the contract extension and pushed for a move anyway. On a reported 35k per week, he’s currently losing 65k per week by not accepting the extension.
And let’s not forget that he left QPR for Liverpool to join a bigger club with bigger ambitions, not the cash.
Then we have even better examples in the likes of Mikel Arteta and James Milner. Arteta took a pay cut to join Arsenal from Everton while chasing Champions League football.
Meanwhile, if Milner leaves Manchester City he could be taking a pay cut in the hopes of securing first team football. Sure he left Villa during a strong period for Manchester City, but that has yielded two league titles he wouldn’t otherwise have.
Top tier footballers take home huge sums of money no matter what they do so perhaps there is more driving them than money.
Some want to play domestically (De Gea) some want to win trophies (Sterling, Suarez) and others want more first team football (Milner). It seems like those driven entirely by money are the exception rather than the rule.
So that brings us to Christian Benteke. The Sun decided on Tuesday to splurge ‘Christian’s set to teke Kop cash’ on their back page.
The striker is rumoured to double his money from 50k per week to 100k per week. The first thing people ask about when they hear he might want to leave is what he will be earning.
The implication from The Sun is that money is his primary motivator. It’s a harsh representation of the player.
Tim Sherwood is clearly a passionate bloke and his “where is he going to go that is bigger than Aston Villa” quote is great for fans.
The answer unfortunately is many clubs. Aston Villa have a rich history but sadly can’t compete with the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United.
Under Sherwood, Villa could feasibly aim for a Europa League finish and a domestic cup, but realistically that’s as good as things are going to get.
So the impression that Benteke leaving would mean he is taking the money would be grossly unfair on the striker.
He has been highly successful at the club since he arrived and quickly become one of very best talents outside of the top six. He’d go straight into some of those top six starting elevens.
He’d have the chance to compete for the league title as well as competing in the Champions League.
If he left for Liverpool and performed there, bigger clubs yet would no doubt come calling and he might move on again.
On the same note, if Villa decide to replace Benteke with a talent from lower down the pecking order, that wouldn’t make that player a money-grabber for making the move.
The vast majority of footballers are ambitious and want to play in the biggest competitions for the biggest teams.
Benteke is likely no different - just a human being who wants to excel at what he does for a living. If he does leave, and it’s by no means certain, hopefully some will be able to refrain from giving him the label of greedy and appreciate his years of contribution to the Aston Villa cause.
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I have no problem with the local media criticising us when it's justified. It's the absolute bollocks they write about us that pisses me off. And they publish shit by a wanker like Howell who openly hates us, yeah that's fucking balanced.
Calm down, I've not said that it is balanced. I've said that it should be balanced.
I've disagreed with people who have said that they should be supporting us. They shouldn't be, they should be reporting things accurately, not with a negative slant and not with a positive slant.
In response to Dave, I'm not really bothered about what other papers do with the clubs local to them. If they want to act as cheerleaders then that's up them. I'd hope for higher standards from anything to do with us. Probably unrealistically, but I'd hope for it anyway.
Why is that a higher standard though? I am genuinely curious. The Mail & WM are local media. I would hope and expect that local media want the best for the area and local teams, certainly thats the way most local papers operate. Here in the USA there is universal support for local teams. I mean what would the the "balance" in sports be for? People stopping off in Birmingham motorway services looking for general football coverage and not wanting to see Birmingham area teams covered supportively?
I am not being antagonistic I am genuinely curious why you wouldn't want the Mail to be supportive of all the local teams? Balanced should be for national media surely?
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I have no problem with the local media criticising us when it's justified. It's the absolute bollocks they write about us that pisses me off. And they publish shit by a wanker like Howell who openly hates us, yeah that's fucking balanced.
Calm down, I've not said that it is balanced. I've said that it should be balanced.
I've disagreed with people who have said that they should be supporting us. They shouldn't be, they should be reporting things accurately, not with a negative slant and not with a positive slant.
In response to Dave, I'm not really bothered about what other papers do with the clubs local to them. If they want to act as cheerleaders then that's up them. I'd hope for higher standards from anything to do with us. Probably unrealistically, but I'd hope for it anyway.
It's nothing to do with higher standards and everything to do with Villa getting walked all over. If you think the Mail's coverage of us is balanced then your dictionary must have a different definition of the word to mine.
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Can anyone spot the difference between them?
Yup, one of them is an opinion piece backing the integrity of a Villa player and refuting the suggestion that he would only want to leave Villa because of money.
The other is just reporting that West Brom might sell one of their better players.
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What a rotten piece from the Mail, and right before our FA Cup final as well. No wonder so many Brummies have stopped buying the rag.
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If you think the Mail's coverage of us is balanced then your dictionary must have a different definition of the word to mine.
For what seems to be the hundredth time, I don't think I've said that I think that at any point.
Look.
I've not said that it is balanced. I've said that it should be balanced.
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An opinion piece from the local music journalist. Which begs the question, why ask him to write a negative opinion about Villa (when he doesn't seem to write anything else about sports) and when you see how awful it is, why publish it?
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Can anyone spot the difference between them?
Yup, one of them is an opinion piece backing the integrity of a Villa player and refuting the suggestion that he would only want to leave Villa because of money.
The other is just reporting that West Brom might sell one of their better players.
Yes because that's the only difference isn't it.
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If you think the Mail's coverage of us is balanced then your dictionary must have a different definition of the word to mine.
For what seems to be the hundredth time, I don't think I've said that I think that at any point.
Look.
I've not said that it is balanced. I've said that it should be balanced.
But you're perfectly happy with them being blatantly unbalanced, provided it's against us.
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But you're perfectly happy with them being blatantly unbalanced, provided it's against us.
I genuinely can't see where you would get that idea from.
Presumably not here:
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Or here:
They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
Or here:
They should be reporting things accurately, not with a negative slant and not with a positive slant.
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But you're perfectly happy with them being blatantly unbalanced, provided it's against us.
I genuinely can't see where you would get that idea from.
Presumably not here:
The Howell piece was still an absolute embarrassment though.
Or here:
They should praise when appropriate and criticize when appropriate.
Or here:
They should be reporting things accurately, not with a negative slant and not with a positive slant.
Sorry, I must have imagined that you've just spent an hour or so defending them.
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Sorry, I must have imagined that you've just spent an hour or so defending them.
No, I've spent parts of an hour explaining that I think journalism is better when it is balanced, not partisan. If you've decided to take from that I want to have Bill Howell's children then that's not my problem.
But any time that you want to let me know where I've said that I'm "perfectly happy with them being blatantly unbalanced, provided it's against us", feel free to point it out.
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An opinion piece from the local music journalist. Which begs the question, why ask him to write a negative opinion about Villa (when he doesn't seem to write anything else about sports) and when you see how awful it is, why publish it?
It's the article about John Barnes thinking Benteke should go to Liverpool that I don't really get. Why an earth is that appearing on the website of a Birmingham paper?
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Sorry, I must have imagined that you've just spent an hour or so defending them.
No, I've spent parts of an hour explaining that I think journalism is better when it is balanced, not partisan. If you've decided to take from that I want to have Bill Howell's children then that's not my problem.
But any time that you want to let me know where I've said that I'm "perfectly happy with them being blatantly unbalanced, provided it's against us", feel free to point it out.
There's the way you compare one report of a newspaper story which they themselves call gossip and consider it equal to one of their reporters talking about selling Benteke and a lengthy piece from John Barnes on the same subject for a start.
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An opinion piece from the local music journalist. Which begs the question, why ask him to write a negative opinion about Villa (when he doesn't seem to write anything else about sports) and when you see how awful it is, why publish it?
It's the article about John Barnes thinking Benteke should go to Liverpool that I don't really get. Why an earth is that appearing on the website of a Birmingham paper?
Indeed!
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Well Barnes did make that comment and it's being reported as it was and lot of people on here would agree that Benteke should play in the Champion League in the near future and that's unlikely to be with us.
Not aware of aware of "hate" or "violence" comment so if correct than that writer is a twat.
Haha you're either a paperboy or a mail journo
Mail journo on bank holidays and paperboy rest of the time.
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Well Barnes did make that comment and it's being reported as it was and lot of people on here would agree that Benteke should play in the Champion League in the near future and that's unlikely to be with us.
Not aware of aware of "hate" or "violence" comment so if correct than that writer is a twat.
Haha you're either a paperboy or a mail journo
Mail journo on bank holidays and paperboy rest of the time.
I think the best line I've ever written was "When I heard George Gavin was working for the Mail I naturally assumed he'd got a paper round."
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A recent comment from a typical balanced Villa article.
As an ex media man I have seen this in the Mail for years and I am aware of the subtle, hostile and anti Villa rhetoric. I know all teams will claim that their club doesn't get a fair deal, but the anti Villa bias is simply astounding. The current situation is that we have gone from having scored just 12 goals by February and being relegation certs, to survival with a game to spare, a win at Wembley under our belts and the first local team in an FA Cup Final since . . . . . . . . . . The Villa in 2000. We play our final game of the season against Burnley on Sunday in a game that all the tickets sold out days ago. Our main striker is actually Europes leading striker over the last 11 games. We have just signed Scott Sinclair on a 4 year contract. We have an FA Cup in just over a week and the potential for another trip to Wembley in August to play Chelsea and European Football to come back to the City.
So bearing this in mind why are the stories about why Benteke should be sold and rehashing of Livepool Echo stories of why he should go to Liverpool and Tony Pulis's views on the Villa getting prominence? It is disgraceful.
The paper should be running competitions to win a pair of tickets. They should be giving away car stickers celebrating the occasion, they should be interviewing fans about what they will be doing on the day. There should be pullouts from previous Wembley visits and posters of all the star players. They should be all over the club like a rash and every story should be positively encouraging Brums biggest supported club. They should be orchestrating best claret and blue decked streets and parties for those that can't get tickets. But no. Nothing. They would rather report on why Benteke should leave Villa. They are a disgrace to the fans and the club.
I am not advocating that they should only report good things. They should be investigative and tell the bad news as well. But there is a time and a place and the Mail know exactly what they are doing by undermining the club. Shame on them.
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Well said.
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I think they should be doing all of the pre final excitement stuff - pullouts and competitions and all that
It's not a paper's job to be a cheerleader though. I don't think they should be banning benteke to Liverpool stories or anything like that
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Lets be honest, the mail is on its arse, sales of the paper have dropped year on year, it cant demand the advertising fees for space in its rag, the small minded people that work for it, obviously "villa haters" want to drag down the most successful sporting team in the region. I'd say boycott it, But that has been done already by the people of Birmingham lol
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Sorry, I must have imagined that you've just spent an hour or so defending them.
No, I've spent parts of an hour explaining that I think journalism is better when it is balanced, not partisan. If you've decided to take from that I want to have Bill Howell's children then that's not my problem.
But any time that you want to let me know where I've said that I'm "perfectly happy with them being blatantly unbalanced, provided it's against us", feel free to point it out.
There's the way you compare one report of a newspaper story which they themselves call gossip and consider it equal to one of their reporters talking about selling Benteke and a lengthy piece from John Barnes on the same subject for a start.
I've said that I agree with one opinion piece that says that if/when Benteke moves then it won't just be because he can earn more money. There's an extremely similar piece here (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9856504/Not-All-About-The-Money-Money-Money). I agree with the gist (although not some of the minor details) of that one as well, even if it doesn't come with an inflammatory headline to generate advertising revenue.
I've not mentioned the John Barnes piece. Anywhere. Again, you're jumping to conclusions that aren't there.
If you're interested, I think it's a pointless piece. Who cares what John Barnes thinks about the situation? If they'd taken his comments and asked a couple of former Villa players what they thought, or what they'd do in a similar situation then that might be relevant or interesting. It might not, but at least it wouldn't be just lazily repeating the obvious.
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I think the best line I've ever written was "When I heard George Gavin was working for the Mail I naturally assumed he'd got a paper round."
Oh yes dear old George Gavin I wonder what's he up to these days? Probably selling or trying to sell the Mail at New Street kiosk?
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one of their reporters talking about selling Benteke and a lengthy piece from John Barnes on the same subject for a start.
Well it could be construed as a "loyal local paper highlighting the risk the Club and fans face in the near future"?
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Why is that a higher standard though? I am genuinely curious. The Mail & WM are local media. I would hope and expect that local media want the best for the area and local teams, certainly thats the way most local papers operate. Here in the USA there is universal support for local teams. I mean what would the the "balance" in sports be for? People stopping off in Birmingham motorway services looking for general football coverage and not wanting to see Birmingham area teams covered supportively?
I am not being antagonistic I am genuinely curious why you wouldn't want the Mail to be supportive of all the local teams? Balanced should be for national media surely?
Apologies for the delay in replying - meant to last night before the laptop battery died.
The club have their own media for universal positivity - the official site, the matchday programme etc. The supporters have their own platform to give their opinions - fanzines and websites such as this one and others. I don't see what benefit it would be to have the local press as just another set of cheerleaders.
If there were something newsworthy that reflected negatively on the club, would you want it to be reported? To give a couple of examples, if the Mail had got hold of the Cowans/Dunne/Collins incident from a few years back, would you want them to not mention it? Or the more recent Culverhouse/Karsa kerfuffle. Neither incident showed the club if a particularly positive light, but when something like that happens then I don't think there are many supporters who wouldn't want to be aware of it.
There's also the the grey area of what actually constitutes supportive coverage. PWS gave the example earlier in the thread that while Carson Yeung was running Blues into the ground the Mail barely reported on the mess that he was making of it. Is that supporting the club by not calling the owners out on the shit job that they were doing?
If we were ever in a similar position I wouldn't want the local media running "everything is fine" stories, I'd want them to be criticizing wherever and whenever it was necessary.
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one of their reporters talking about selling Benteke and a lengthy piece from John Barnes on the same subject for a start.
Well it could be construed as a "loyal local paper highlighting the risk the Club and fans face in the near future"?
Or it could be seen as part of an ongoing series of negative stories.
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I think the best line I've ever written was "When I heard George Gavin was working for the Mail I naturally assumed he'd got a paper round."
Oh yes dear old George Gavin I wonder what's he up to these days? Probably selling or trying to sell the Mail at New Street kiosk?
he does the football league on sky sports.
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An opinion piece from the local music journalist. Which begs the question, why ask him to write a negative opinion about Villa (when he doesn't seem to write anything else about sports) and when you see how awful it is, why publish it?
It's the article about John Barnes thinking Benteke should go to Liverpool that I don't really get. Why an earth is that appearing on the website of a Birmingham paper?
I reckon it's just a "Liverpool Echo" article, reposted to the Mail site. Free content.
It's been a couple of years since I've read The Mail, and it was a pretty thin read; they seemingly had only 2 non-sports reporters judging by the bylines. Whenever I read articles on it's website, I'm surprised by how few comments it has - rarely more than 10 even on big or contentious articles.
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I reckon it's just a "Liverpool Echo" article, reposted to the Mail site. Free content.
Exactamundo.
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If I want to read about our club, in particular match reports, the Mail would probably be my last choice.
Prior to the internet and the huge drop in standards it was my first.
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Lets be honest, the mail is on its arse, sales of the paper have dropped year on year, it cant demand the advertising fees for space in its rag, the small minded people that work for it, obviously "villa haters" want to drag down the most successful sporting team in the region. I'd say boycott it, But that has been done already by the people of Birmingham lol
The túrd that just won't flush.
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Lets be honest, the mail is on its arse, sales of the paper have dropped year on year, it cant demand the advertising fees for space in its rag, the small minded people that work for it, obviously "villa haters" want to drag down the most successful sporting team in the region. I'd say boycott it, But that has been done already by the people of Birmingham lol
And the more things go this way, the more newspapers like the Evening Mail base their craft on trolling.
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I do wonder how many other newspaper editors would have allowed Bill Howell to post the article that he did.
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I do wonder how many other newspaper editors would have allowed Bill Howell to post the article that he did.
It wouldn't have appeared in the Express and Star, that's for sure.
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I don't see what benefit it would be to have the local press as just another set of cheerleaders.
Sorry? What?
You see no benefit of our biggest local newspaper being a cheerleader for a club in it's catchment area who have been going through a fuck of a tough time and now have the chance of winning THE FA Cup?
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I reckon it's just a "Liverpool Echo" article, reposted to the Mail site. Free content.
Exactamundo.
It was from a TalkSport interview.
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I don't see what benefit it would be to have the local press as just another set of cheerleaders.
Sorry? What?
You see no benefit of our biggest local newspaper being a cheerleader for a club in it's catchment area who have been going through a fuck of a tough time and now have the chance of winning THE FA Cup?
For what seems to be the hundredth time, they should be praised when it is due and criticized when it is due.
Are you saying that if the club does something worthy of criticism then the local press shouldn't criticize them?
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I want the local paper to be balanced. But when there is something really good to talk about and get behind they should be doing that. We've given the local media loads of ammunition over the past few years to hammer us. Balance would be getting behind us 100% and wanting Villa to win the cup.
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I want the local paper to be balanced. But when there is something really good to talk about and get behind they should be doing that.
Exactly.
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Why is that a higher standard though? I am genuinely curious. The Mail & WM are local media. I would hope and expect that local media want the best for the area and local teams, certainly thats the way most local papers operate. Here in the USA there is universal support for local teams. I mean what would the the "balance" in sports be for? People stopping off in Birmingham motorway services looking for general football coverage and not wanting to see Birmingham area teams covered supportively?
I am not being antagonistic I am genuinely curious why you wouldn't want the Mail to be supportive of all the local teams? Balanced should be for national media surely?
Apologies for the delay in replying - meant to last night before the laptop battery died.
The club have their own media for universal positivity - the official site, the matchday programme etc. The supporters have their own platform to give their opinions - fanzines and websites such as this one and others. I don't see what benefit it would be to have the local press as just another set of cheerleaders.
If there were something newsworthy that reflected negatively on the club, would you want it to be reported? To give a couple of examples, if the Mail had got hold of the Cowans/Dunne/Collins incident from a few years back, would you want them to not mention it? Or the more recent Culverhouse/Karsa kerfuffle. Neither incident showed the club if a particularly positive light, but when something like that happens then I don't think there are many supporters who wouldn't want to be aware of it.
There's also the the grey area of what actually constitutes supportive coverage. PWS gave the example earlier in the thread that while Carson Yeung was running Blues into the ground the Mail barely reported on the mess that he was making of it. Is that supporting the club by not calling the owners out on the shit job that they were doing?
If we were ever in a similar position I wouldn't want the local media running "everything is fine" stories, I'd want them to be criticizing wherever and whenever it was necessary.
Thanks for the response. I think that makes complete sense.
However the attack opinion piece about Beneteke by the music journo isn't criticizing anything the club has done, it is just desperately trying to be negative about Aston Villa for no reason at all. Thats not balanced, or reporting the news, its just trying to find anything to say so long as it is negative. In this case criticizing the hypothetical reaction of fans to a hypothetical negative event which has not happened.
Combine that with the same time the paper quite overtly making the most negative spin possible on a comment by Prince William and I think you can see why many of us threw our arms up in the air with the cry of "really????"
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Why is that a higher standard though? I am genuinely curious. The Mail & WM are local media. I would hope and expect that local media want the best for the area and local teams, certainly thats the way most local papers operate. Here in the USA there is universal support for local teams. I mean what would the the "balance" in sports be for? People stopping off in Birmingham motorway services looking for general football coverage and not wanting to see Birmingham area teams covered supportively?
I am not being antagonistic I am genuinely curious why you wouldn't want the Mail to be supportive of all the local teams? Balanced should be for national media surely?
Apologies for the delay in replying - meant to last night before the laptop battery died.
The club have their own media for universal positivity - the official site, the matchday programme etc. The supporters have their own platform to give their opinions - fanzines and websites such as this one and others. I don't see what benefit it would be to have the local press as just another set of cheerleaders.
If there were something newsworthy that reflected negatively on the club, would you want it to be reported? To give a couple of examples, if the Mail had got hold of the Cowans/Dunne/Collins incident from a few years back, would you want them to not mention it? Or the more recent Culverhouse/Karsa kerfuffle. Neither incident showed the club if a particularly positive light, but when something like that happens then I don't think there are many supporters who wouldn't want to be aware of it.
There's also the the grey area of what actually constitutes supportive coverage. PWS gave the example earlier in the thread that while Carson Yeung was running Blues into the ground the Mail barely reported on the mess that he was making of it. Is that supporting the club by not calling the owners out on the shit job that they were doing?
If we were ever in a similar position I wouldn't want the local media running "everything is fine" stories, I'd want them to be criticizing wherever and whenever it was necessary.
Thanks for the response. I think that makes complete sense.
However the attack opinion piece about Beneteke by the music journo isn't criticizing anything the club has done, it is just desperately trying to be negative about Aston Villa for no reason at all. Thats not balanced, or reporting the news, its just trying to find anything to say so long as it is negative. In this case criticizing the hypothetical reaction of fans to a hypothetical negative event which has not happened.
Like I said at the very start of this, I don't think they necessarily are being balanced at the moment. I just said that I don't want them to report in a biased fashion, either for us or against us.
Others seem to want them to be purely positive about the club, which I think is daft. But each to their own.
And without wanting to start this merry-go-round again, I still can't see what makes it an 'attack opinion piece'.
The worst thing that I can see in the entire article is "If he does leave, and it’s by no means certain, hopefully some will be able to refrain from giving him the label of greedy and appreciate his years of contribution to the Aston Villa cause." That's hardly Bill Howell levels of opprobrium.
The sub-editors have put a silly title on it, but that's not the writer's fault. Which parts of it have got people worked up?
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Why is that a higher standard though? I am genuinely curious. The Mail & WM are local media. I would hope and expect that local media want the best for the area and local teams, certainly thats the way most local papers operate. Here in the USA there is universal support for local teams. I mean what would the the "balance" in sports be for? People stopping off in Birmingham motorway services looking for general football coverage and not wanting to see Birmingham area teams covered supportively?
I am not being antagonistic I am genuinely curious why you wouldn't want the Mail to be supportive of all the local teams? Balanced should be for national media surely?
Apologies for the delay in replying - meant to last night before the laptop battery died.
The club have their own media for universal positivity - the official site, the matchday programme etc. The supporters have their own platform to give their opinions - fanzines and websites such as this one and others. I don't see what benefit it would be to have the local press as just another set of cheerleaders.
If there were something newsworthy that reflected negatively on the club, would you want it to be reported? To give a couple of examples, if the Mail had got hold of the Cowans/Dunne/Collins incident from a few years back, would you want them to not mention it? Or the more recent Culverhouse/Karsa kerfuffle. Neither incident showed the club if a particularly positive light, but when something like that happens then I don't think there are many supporters who wouldn't want to be aware of it.
There's also the the grey area of what actually constitutes supportive coverage. PWS gave the example earlier in the thread that while Carson Yeung was running Blues into the ground the Mail barely reported on the mess that he was making of it. Is that supporting the club by not calling the owners out on the shit job that they were doing?
If we were ever in a similar position I wouldn't want the local media running "everything is fine" stories, I'd want them to be criticizing wherever and whenever it was necessary.
Thanks for the response. I think that makes complete sense.
However the attack opinion piece about Beneteke by the music journo isn't criticizing anything the club has done, it is just desperately trying to be negative about Aston Villa for no reason at all. Thats not balanced, or reporting the news, its just trying to find anything to say so long as it is negative. In this case criticizing the hypothetical reaction of fans to a hypothetical negative event which has not happened.
Like I said at the very start of this, I don't think they necessarily are being balanced at the moment. I just said that I don't want them to report in a biased fashion, either for us or against us.
Others seem to want them to be purely positive about the club, which I think is daft. But each to their own.
And without wanting to start this merry-go-round again, I still can't see what makes it an 'attack opinion piece'.
The worst thing that I can see in the entire article is "If he does leave, and it’s by no means certain, hopefully some will be able to refrain from giving him the label of greedy and appreciate his years of contribution to the Aston Villa cause." That's hardly Bill Howell levels of opprobrium.
The sub-editors have put a silly title on it, but that's not the writer's fault. Which parts of it have got people worked up?
Cheers. I get where you are coming from. To maybe help us get off the merry go round I can tell you what pisses me off about the piece. Its existence. I question why it is there.
For me it is identical to as if the mail had asked the local crime journalist who never writes about sports for an opinion about Villa and he wrote something like
"If Villa are relegated in 2016, and it’s by no means certain, hopefully some will be able to refrain from giving Lerner the label of greedy and appreciate his years of contribution to the Aston Villa cause."
And the mail happily printed it.
Again I come back to why are we discussing a negative event that has not happened and having a pop at fans for a speculated reaction? Why would the mail commission such a piece? It serves no purpose other than a negative one.
Anyway hopefully that explains why I am so royally pissed off about it particularly when combined with the other two negative stories they ran at the same time.
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get us :)
edit: I REALLY hate mac's autocorrect :)
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I think they should be doing all of the pre final excitement stuff - pullouts and competitions and all that
Fair play to them, they did have a piece on the FA Cup final in the Villa section yesterday. It was about Arsene Wenger and Arsenal, but there you go.
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I reckon it's just a "Liverpool Echo" article, reposted to the Mail site. Free content.
It's been a couple of years since I've read The Mail, and it was a pretty thin read; they seemingly had only 2 non-sports reporters judging by the bylines. Whenever I read articles on it's website, I'm surprised by how few comments it has - rarely more than 10 even on big or contentious articles.
I just had a quick sniff around and can't see it on the LE website. I did come across this though from earlier this month -
'Barnes: Liverpool FC will be too strong for United'
He's hardly got a reputation for insight and perception.
Many years ago I used to fly into Manchester Airport a lot, they used to hand out free copies of the MEN as you got on the plane. You were more likely to find 'balanced' in a matchday programme.
I have long since given up trying to work out why the Mail takes the stance that it does. It makes no sense at all.
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edit: I REALLY hate mac's autocorrect :)
Turn it off then.
System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck "correct spelling automatically"
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From a few hours ago
Aston Villa v Arsenal - when is the FA Cup Final?
Here at the Birmingham Mail we pride ourselves on offering the best information possible for Aston Villa fans.
Believe it or not one of the most searched for phrases around big sporting events is 'when is it?'
True, and whilst we are hoping that you do actually know when the FA Cup Final, here is some information just in case.
The match will be played on the 30th May, 2015.
It will kick-off at 5.30pm UK time.
Gates open at 3.30pm.
We hope you all knew that already!
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I am assuming they had to Google the answer themselves before writing that.
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Shit info. I know when it is. WHERE is the cup final? That's what I need to know.
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file under heading "Villa haters just pissing on our chips"
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Shame it's quite thin paper , or I could use it for what it was meant, wiping me arse
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From a few hours ago
Aston Villa v Arsenal - when is the FA Cup Final?
Here at the Birmingham Mail we pride ourselves on offering the best information possible for Aston Villa fans.
Believe it or not one of the most searched for phrases around big sporting events is 'when is it?'
True, and whilst we are hoping that you do actually know when the FA Cup Final, here is some information just in case.
The match will be played on the 30th May, 2015.
It will kick-off at 5.30pm UK time.
Gates open at 3.30pm.
We hope you all knew that already!
TBF
as common knowledge the mail aint going to know much more because that would involve research, HA.
But I bet they know there readers EVERYONE OF THEM BY NAME, the mail stopped being a newspaper years ago,
TBH
the morning star has got a better sports section
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Bad times for the mail:
clicktown (http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/regional-daily-newspaper-abcs-second-half-2014-paid-titles-lose-average-10-cent-circulations-year)
UK regional dailies see sales decline by average of 10 per cent year on year
All paid-for regional daily newspapers in the UK saw their circulations decline in the second half of 2014, according to new ABC figures.
Birmingham Mail (down 20.5 per cent to 30,597) and the Sunderland Echo (down 16.8 per cent to 18,876) were the worst performing titles year on year.
The biggest regional newspaper audited by ABC is the free London Evening Standard, which increased its circulation by 21.9 per cent to 824,515.
On average, the other 77 paid-for dailies audited by ABC saw their circulations decline by 10.1 per cent year on year in the second half of 2014.
The best performing titles, in terms of year on year circulation change, were the Belfast Telegraph (down 3.4 per cent to 45,905), the Lancashire Telegraph (down 3.5 per cent to 12,814) and the Guernsey Press and Star (down 3.9 per cent to 13,402).
The top three biggest selling regional dailies are the Express and Star (down 13.1 per cent to 72,072), the Manchester Evening News (down 4.1 per cent to 66,521) and the Liverpool Echo (down 11.7 per cent to 61,902).
Not surprising, considering the state of the paper in recent years. But sad to see all the same.
The website is shocking too, unsubbed copy making it in on a regular basis.
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Bad times for the mail:
clicktown (http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/regional-daily-newspaper-abcs-second-half-2014-paid-titles-lose-average-10-cent-circulations-year)
UK regional dailies see sales decline by average of 10 per cent year on year
All paid-for regional daily newspapers in the UK saw their circulations decline in the second half of 2014, according to new ABC figures.
Birmingham Mail (down 20.5 per cent to 30,597) and the Sunderland Echo (down 16.8 per cent to 18,876) were the worst performing titles year on year.
The biggest regional newspaper audited by ABC is the free London Evening Standard, which increased its circulation by 21.9 per cent to 824,515.
On average, the other 77 paid-for dailies audited by ABC saw their circulations decline by 10.1 per cent year on year in the second half of 2014.
The best performing titles, in terms of year on year circulation change, were the Belfast Telegraph (down 3.4 per cent to 45,905), the Lancashire Telegraph (down 3.5 per cent to 12,814) and the Guernsey Press and Star (down 3.9 per cent to 13,402).
The top three biggest selling regional dailies are the Express and Star (down 13.1 per cent to 72,072), the Manchester Evening News (down 4.1 per cent to 66,521) and the Liverpool Echo (down 11.7 per cent to 61,902).
Not surprising, considering the state of the paper in recent years. But sad to see all the same.
The website is shocking too, unsubbed copy making it in on a regular basis.
Not surprising. The website seems more intent on throwing surveys and shitty ads at me than delivering quality content I want to come back for.
All the more strange that they have decided to take a negative stance to Villa and pushed away local fans. I imagine the "Cup Final Special" might of sold a few copies.
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The surveys are so fucking annoying, and almost impossible to turn off.
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My mom still buys the mail daily, and never reads it.
Pretty sure my grandparents used to buy the early edition and the late night final.
How times have changed.
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oh the times they are a changing, and the mail will go bye bye, its marketing team are "not"
so bothered.. someone turn the lights off
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Newspapers sold by the quality of their writing. Websites get hits from controversy; they know what buttons to press and when to press them to get maximum coverage. There was a piece in Private Eye last month that said most stories in the Daily Mail's sidebar of shame get put up at around 4pm as that's when kids are getting out of school.
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Whoever let the likes of Howell and Tattum keep their jobs and write garbage week in and week out is as responsible for their plummet in circulation as anything else.
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I've just been on the Mail website to enter the "Win a pair of FA Cup final tickets" competition. All you have to do is answer a simple question.
I'd feel I was in with more of a chance if they actually put the question on there.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429)
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I've just been on the Mail website to enter the "Win a pair of FA Cup final tickets" competition. All you have to do is answer a simple question.
I'd feel I was in with more of a chance if they actually put the question on there.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429)
I'm surprised it isn't under the headline 'A man wins two FA Cup Final tickets. You won't believe what happens next.'
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I've just been on the Mail website to enter the "Win a pair of FA Cup final tickets" competition. All you have to do is answer a simple question.
I'd feel I was in with more of a chance if they actually put the question on there.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429)
The question is now at the absolute bottom of the page.
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I've just been on the Mail website to enter the "Win a pair of FA Cup final tickets" competition. All you have to do is answer a simple question.
I'd feel I was in with more of a chance if they actually put the question on there.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429)
The question is now at the absolute bottom of the page.
I cant find it.
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I've just been on the Mail website to enter the "Win a pair of FA Cup final tickets" competition. All you have to do is answer a simple question.
I'd feel I was in with more of a chance if they actually put the question on there.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/competitions/aston-villa-fans---win-9305429)
The question is now at the absolute bottom of the page.
I cant find it.
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The question is:
When was the last time Villa reached an FA Cup Final? *
2002
2000
1999
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
Awwww bless 'em.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
love the comment at the bottom of the page...
Bluenose Brisbane • 2 hours ago
W. T. F what drivel who cares
UTV
The Doc
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
Is that for real?
Is it to try and even things up with the Bitters and The Blues?
OMFG can they not just accept the fact we are in the FA cup final (God I love saying that)
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
Is that for real?
Is it to try and even things up with the Bitters and The Blues?
OMFG can they not just accept the fact we are in the FA cup final (God I love saying that)
Surely that's a wind up to the noses, "blues writer BRIAN DICK"ffs this week just gets better and better
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Is this a pissin wind up...
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
"Blues put their division one struggles behind them to reach the FA Cup final for the first time in fifty years of trying".
Then lost.
To Albion.
Who were in the second division at the time.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
"Blues put their division one struggles behind them to reach the FA Cup final for the first time in fifty years of trying".
Then lost.
To Albion.
Who were in the second division at the time.
I used to know the Albion keeper in that match, Harold Pearson. For a long while he was the oldest-surviving England international and even in his eighties shaking hands with him was a hazardous experience. To listen to his stories of playing against Dixie Dean and Pongo Waring was to see history come alive before your eyes.
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2 days out from the FA Cup final and what do they go with as their main back page story? Yep, you've guessed it - a piece about Benteke possibly leaving with the startling revelation that Bacuna and his partner think he is "cute".
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
The name of the reporter says it all really.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
"Blues put their division one struggles behind them to reach the FA Cup final for the first time in fifty years of trying".
Then lost.
To Albion.
Who were in the second division at the time.
I used to know the Albion keeper in that match, Harold Pearson. For a long while he was the oldest-surviving England international and even in his eighties shaking hands with him was a hazardous experience. To listen to his stories of playing against Dixie Dean and Pongo Waring was to see history come alive before your eyes.
Different final but I'm sure my late uncle knew Gil Merrick in his later years. I think he lived around Chelmsley Wood or Tile Cross.
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Different final but I'm sure my late uncle knew Gil Merrick in his later years. I think he lived around Chelmsley Wood or Tile Cross.
If you ever get the chance to hear an old player talk, don't say a word. Just listen.
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I bought the Mail today for the Villa pull-out, which is a few Kendrick pieces and the Cup match reports, alongside the coverage of the '57 Final. But they've interviewed some Arsenal fan who is less than complimentary about us, for no reason that I can really tell. He says we're seen as the Midlands Tottenham and are always banging on about how we should be counted as a big club.
He's also the founder of something I've never heard of, namely the Black Scarf Movement, which contrary to what you may think, is not anything to do with Balkan politics but is to do with fans being priced out of the game. The irony of bleating about that when you play in an enormodome like The Emirates and start crying when you don't make the Champions League semi-finals seems to be lost on him.
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I bought the Mail today for the Villa pull-out, which is a few Kendrick pieces and the Cup match reports, alongside the coverage of the '57 Final. But they've interviewed some Arsenal fan who is less than complimentary about us, for no reason that I can really tell. He says we're seen as the Midlands Tottenham and are always banging on about how we should be counted as a big club.
He's also the founder of something I've never heard of, namely the Black Scarf Movement, which contrary to what you may think, is not anything to do with Balkan politics but is to do with fans being priced out of the game. The irony of bleating about that when you play in an enormodome like The Emirates and start crying when you don't make the Champions League semi-finals seems to be lost on him.
See I don't get this. If I were to buy a local paper with a cup final pull out then I'm probably not interested in reading what a Cockney Tarquin has got to say about my team. I want to hear interesting interviews, player insights, behind the scene stuff. Not some smarmy wankstain taking the piss, going on about Spurs and whining about money, aren't they the same babies that turned on Wenger after we twatted them and started chanting about spending more ''facking maney'' ? That game btw was something like only their second defeat in 20 odd matches.
I hope we take a massive shit on their sense of entitlement tomorrow.
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I bought the Mail today for the Villa pull-out, which is a few Kendrick pieces and the Cup match reports, alongside the coverage of the '57 Final. But they've interviewed some Arsenal fan who is less than complimentary about us, for no reason that I can really tell. He says we're seen as the Midlands Tottenham and are always banging on about how we should be counted as a big club.
I just read that and it made me really fucking angry.
In the week, me, Woodhall, Damon and Mac had a twitter exchange with Steve Wollaston of the Mail about how relentlessly down they are on the Villa, always running shitty articles (the likes of that Bill Howell "send us the bill" rubbish).
This is an absolutely *perfect* example of what we meant.
1. An "interview with an Arsenal fan"? How fucking cringemakingly small time is that? You're the newspaper of the second city, you're acting like a bunch of rural peasants in thrall at the big city people.
2. Why, oh why, would they feel the need to give a platform to some bloke to tell us how much he hates Villa?
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
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They're a bunch of sad, pathetic, Villa hating tools. I smell the sickening stench of bluenose envy.
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Honestly, it is staggering.
This is the day before an FA Cup final, FFS. So, so smalltime.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-weve-been-wembley-9331813
"Blues put their division one struggles behind them to reach the FA Cup final for the first time in fifty years of trying".
Then lost.
To Albion.
Who were in the second division at the time.
the photo the goalie in the centre has he got sun glasses on.. thank you small heath you are joke enough for me
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I can't even boycott the pile of shit because I don't buy it in the first place.
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I can't think of a single other local paper in the country that would do that.
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The worst thing about the internet is the way it means the Birmingham Mail can continue to publish utter shit 24 hours a day.
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I can't think of a single other local paper in the country that would do that.
Anyone on here been asked to do an interview for The Islington Gazette about how much they hate Arsenal and how they've never won the European Cup? Thought not.
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I can't think of a single other local paper in the country that would do that.
Anyone on here been asked to do an interview for The Islington Gazette about how much they hate Arsenal and how they've never won the European Cup? Thought not.
And I've never seen the Liverpool Echo's special 'Alright, just shut up about Shankly' edition.
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It's got to the point where being contrary regarding Villa has become the absolute norm. And there is no reason for it other than it is a method to appease fans of other sides. Which in of itself makes no sense at all. I believe in balanced reporting but to me, balance means this week being 100% behind Villa. We'll give them plenty of ammo to criticize us in the future. Can they not give it a rest for a week?
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A newspaper isn't obliged to be 'balanced' to other teams anyway. It isn't a publicly funded broadcaster talking about political parties.
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Who decides that's a good story/article to run with? Is their a sports editor anymore at this excuse for a paper?
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Well prehaps the editor is starting to take notice.
Sorry cant do the link thing, but if you look at Bungalow Bills Albion bit online today he highlights how Tiny Pullis stole the show at the end of season awards & also had a "cheeky pop at the Villa", however if you look at page 71 in todays paper, it seems a couple of Tinys comments have been left out.
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im never buying the rag again
well I haven't bought the rubbish for ten years atleast anyway.
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Is Ed Doolan still the Voice of Reason?
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I bought the Mail today for the Villa pull-out, which is a few Kendrick pieces and the Cup match reports, alongside the coverage of the '57 Final. But they've interviewed some Arsenal fan who is less than complimentary about us, for no reason that I can really tell. He says we're seen as the Midlands Tottenham and are always banging on about how we should be counted as a big club.
I just read that and it made me really fucking angry.
In the week, me, Woodhall, Damon and Mac had a twitter exchange with Steve Wollaston of the Mail about how relentlessly down they are on the Villa, always running shitty articles (the likes of that Bill Howell "send us the bill" rubbish).
This is an absolutely *perfect* example of what we meant.
1. An "interview with an Arsenal fan"? How fucking cringemakingly small time is that? You're the newspaper of the second city, you're acting like a bunch of rural peasants in thrall at the big city people.
2. Why, oh why, would they feel the need to give a platform to some bloke to tell us how much he hates Villa?
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Who cares what the local rag says?
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I bought the Mail today for the Villa pull-out, which is a few Kendrick pieces and the Cup match reports, alongside the coverage of the '57 Final. But they've interviewed some Arsenal fan who is less than complimentary about us, for no reason that I can really tell. He says we're seen as the Midlands Tottenham and are always banging on about how we should be counted as a big club.
I just read that and it made me really fucking angry.
In the week, me, Woodhall, Damon and Mac had a twitter exchange with Steve Wollaston of the Mail about how relentlessly down they are on the Villa, always running shitty articles (the likes of that Bill Howell "send us the bill" rubbish).
This is an absolutely *perfect* example of what we meant.
1. An "interview with an Arsenal fan"? How fucking cringemakingly small time is that? You're the newspaper of the second city, you're acting like a bunch of rural peasants in thrall at the big city people.
2. Why, oh why, would they feel the need to give a platform to some bloke to tell us how much he hates Villa?
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Who cares what the local rag says?
You'd have thought anyone who posts on this thread.
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I can't think of a single other local paper in the country that would do that.
At least they are balanced. I mean who can forget the "We've won it five times" feature they did on Villa in the week building up to the Blues v Arsenal League Cup Final. Oh, hold on ...
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It's got to the point where being contrary regarding Villa has become the absolute norm. And there is no reason for it other than it is a method to appease fans of other sides. Which in of itself makes no sense at all. I believe in balanced reporting but to me, balance means this week being 100% behind Villa. We'll give them plenty of ammo to criticize us in the future. Can they not give it a rest for a week?
Obviously not. The back pages of the past two days have both featured prominent stories about the possibility of Benteke leaving.
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I was trying to recall what the coverage was like last time Albion were in a major final, but then I remembered I was only 44 so I couldn't possibly know.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-rewarded-equality-progress-9383128
Well done Small Heath on gaining the Intermediate level Kick it Out award. As the article says, six clubs have got the Advanced level yet for some reason they don't mention that one of them is us. That's strange when you consider that 'them too' was such a feature of their cup final coverage.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-rewarded-equality-progress-9383128
Well done Small Heath on gaining the Intermediate level Kick it Out award. As the article says, six clubs have got the Advanced level yet for some reason they don't mention that one of them is us. That's strange when you consider that 'them too' was such a feature of their cup final coverage.
Only us and Arsenal have the advanced level. Which makes it even stranger they don't mention it.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-rewarded-equality-progress-9383128
Well done Small Heath on gaining the Intermediate level Kick it Out award. As the article says, six clubs have got the Advanced level yet for some reason they don't mention that one of them is us. That's strange when you consider that 'them too' was such a feature of their cup final coverage.
Only us and Arsenal have the advanced level. Which makes it even stranger they don't mention it.
"Only Arsenal, who annihilated a pathetic Aston Villa 4-0 in the FA Cup Final despite losing to Birmingham City at the same venue in 2011, and one other club have the Advanced Level."
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Birmingham City have become the first Football League club to achieve the Intermediate Level of Kick It Out’s Equality Standard
Apart from Watford who have had it for a few years.
Do these clowns actually get paid for writing such badly researched guff?
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Birmingham City have become the first Football League club to achieve the Intermediate Level of Kick It Out’s Equality Standard
Apart from Watford who have had it for a few years.
Do these clowns actually get paid for writing such badly researched guff?
Their get out will be that they will say Watford are now a Premier League club.
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Birmingham City have become the first Football League club to achieve the Intermediate Level of Kick It Out’s Equality Standard
Apart from Watford who have had it for a few years.
Do these clowns actually get paid for writing such badly researched guff?
Their get out will be that they will say Watford are now a Premier League club.
Without a doubt, but they still won't be the first as Watford were a Division 2 club when they got theirs.
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The Sunday Muckraker stories we do used to be a clear spoof. They're starting to become interchangeable.
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Reckon Matt would be up for sorting a Bill Howell interview for H+V next season? I would fucking love to do that. Use every work trick in the book to lull him into a false sense of security then shred him.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-rewarded-equality-progress-9383128
Well done Small Heath on gaining the Intermediate level Kick it Out award. As the article says, six clubs have got the Advanced level yet for some reason they don't mention that one of them is us. That's strange when you consider that 'them too' was such a feature of their cup final coverage.
Only us and Arsenal have the advanced level. Which makes it even stranger they don't mention it.
"Only Arsenal, who annihilated a pathetic Aston Villa 4-0 in the FA Cup Final despite losing to Birmingham City at the same venue in 2011, and one other club have the Advanced Level."
Got to get Albion in there as well. "Aston Villa, who wouldn't even been at the Final in the first place if Brown Ideye had not missed a sitter".
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You have to use his full name, Brown Better Than Christian Benteke Ideye.
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You have to use his full name, Brown Better Than Christian Benteke Ideye.
Best to put in "Who is clearly loving playing for West Brom" in there as well. You wouldn't want to possibly unsettle a mega star player for a local team, need to be supportive.
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Gregg Evans' end of season awards. Guess who gets mentioned in best away fans?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-end-of-season-awards---9396357
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Gregg Evans' end of season awards. Guess who gets mentioned in best away fans?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-end-of-season-awards---9396357
Laughable, but predictable. Hardly heard them from the Holte during both games.
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They didn't make a sound for 45 minutes. Much like their previous cup final a few days earlier where the tatters were muted.
Still, they brought more than the usual 500 they take everywhere else, bless 'em.
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Gregg Evans' end of season awards. Guess who gets mentioned in best away fans?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-end-of-season-awards---9396357
I am quite disgusted by that. Ignoring what went on under the stand and from the stand at the end is disgraceful. All the talk about cleaning up football over the years and he is indirectly saying it is ok by praising them for the noise generated.
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Gregg Evans' end of season awards. Guess who gets mentioned in best away fans?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-end-of-season-awards---9396357
Laughable, but predictable. Hardly heard them from the Holte during both games.
What an absolute Cock. to make such observations he must be getting his info from sepp Blatter
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Here's an exclusive and no mistake.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/split-ticket-life-hack-can-9410509
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It's not a newspaper, it's a trolling vehicle, admits (well, sort of) publisher.
http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2015/news/daily-no-longer-its-citys-paper-of-record-admits-regional-publisher/
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There articles are exactly what they appear to be, click bait.
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The Mail's circulation went from 37,956 to 28,945 – a drop of 24.7 per cent in the year ending January 2015. The Sunday Mercury was 24,130, down 16.6 per cent. They've just made 19 staff redundant.
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The Mail's circulation went from 37,956 to 28,945 – a drop of 24.7 per cent in the year ending January 2015. The Sunday Mercury was 24,130, down 16.6 per cent. They've just made 19 staff redundant.
do they give it away yet anywhere ?
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They used to be all over the town centre giving away free copies on a Friday. Not sure if they still do.
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In light if their recent articles about Vlaar and Benteke leaving, today's edition had a story on the back page claiming that Albion were in the "box seat" to keep Yacob at the club despite supposed interest from Fiorentina and Inter Milan. The actual article of course gave absolutely no evidence that was the case, but there was no mention of how it would be understandable that a player might want to move to clubs like that or the lure of European football could prove decisive.
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Far be it from me to defend that lot, but who this bloke supports has nothing to do with the story, let alone be cause for a first sentence mention.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mass-murderer-found-living-birmingham-9494109
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The Mail's circulation went from 37,956 to 28,945 – a drop of 24.7 per cent in the year ending January 2015. The Sunday Mercury was 24,130, down 16.6 per cent. They've just made 19 staff redundant.
Their online edition is poor too. Out of date stories and lack of updates. Sadly it will be dead in 5 years.
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I agree Dave, that's a bit sick really. What the hell does any of it have to do with football?
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Far be it from me to defend that lot, but who this bloke supports has nothing to do with the story, let alone be cause for a first sentence mention.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mass-murderer-found-living-birmingham-9494109
That is ridiculous. Why not mention something else about him. Like "Birmingham Mail reader"? or "Avid Hobnob eater"? It would be just as relevant.
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It does seem to be in a death spiral, even compared to other regional papers. There was an article in the guardian I think. Cutting staff back and the quality just gets worse, you can see that in increasing villa articles just replicated from the mirror. For example on delph mentoring grealish.
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It has been an amateurish paper for years. Any half decent writers they ever had either retired (Leon Hickman) or were successful securing jobs with the nationals - (Ray Matts, Neil Moxley etc).
That Gregg Evans a ten year old student is now our official writer and praises our rivals' fans whilst Smethwicks writer and 'former Villa man' sneeringly asks us to send them the bill for damage those same fans caused just underlines their agenda.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment---dont-9532630
We've said it before of course but these guys actually get paid for this. I woke up this morning literally seething with rage at the lack of transfer activity.
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Truly crap sports journalism. Crap article by Gregg Evans.
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He is the most useless journalist out there! Kendrick can write and tried to be positive but Evans is just awful!
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He really is.
18 months ago Mail had Kendrick, Tattum and Lepwowski as the three long serving correspondents for each respective club, at least there was an air of professionalism about the match reports on a Monday, now you get that god awful what have we learnt bullet point report that's probably been typed up in 10 minutes.
It's a tough one, I can't see local media surviving that much longer but to not have a local paper every day would feel weird. The Post went weekly a while back and I always get it as it's pretty readable although they don't really cover Football aside from a business angle anymore.
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Bring back the argus
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Bring back the argus
I've only recently got over it's demise and now you have brought all the memories back. Back in the day at wedding receptions or birthday parties in social clubs women would be dancing round their handbags and men would be crowding around the bloke who had bought the Argus.
There was always something teasing about seeing that Queen Of The South v Raith Rovers was a late kick off that made you really want to know what the final score was.
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Bring back the argus
I've only recently got over it's demise and now you have brought all the memories back. Back in the day at wedding receptions or birthday parties in social clubs women would be dancing round their handbags and men would be crowding around the bloke who had bought the Argus.
If there's one thing which makes me look back at the relatively recent past and think "fuck me, that was centuries ago", it is the memory of waiting at the newsagent for the Argus to turn up on a Saturday evening.
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My grandad would always go up the local about 615pm (off license hatch ) to get the argus , some crisps and chocolate and bring them all back ready for Motd .
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My grandad would always go up the local about 615pm (off license hatch ) to get the argus , some crisps and chocolate and bring them all back ready for Motd .
When I managed a pub in the nineties it took me a while to understand why when I appeared behind the bar the old boys used to ask me if I had been in the off licence. Then one of them explained my office was what had been the old off licence back in the day.
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When I moved to Newcastle to be a student in the mid 80s, I used to go on to people about the "outdoor" and get totally blank stares back.
The fucking phillistines.
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When I moved to Newcastle to be a student in the mid 80s, I used to go on to people about the "outdoor" and get totally blank stares back.
The fucking phillistines.
Remind me what they called their sports Argos up there?
It's pet name, something like The Pink.
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When I moved to Newcastle to be a student in the mid 80s, I used to go on to people about the "outdoor" and get totally blank stares back.
The fucking phillistines.
Remind me what they called their sports Argos up there?
It's pet name, something like The Pink.
I think a few regions had a 'Sporting Pink'. Although if I remember right from away trips with Villa in the eighties, Yorkshire had a 'Sporting Green'.
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And look at the sorry shit state of a local publication it's sister paper has become now.
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He really is.
18 months ago Mail had Kendrick, Tattum and Lepwowski as the three long serving correspondents for each respective club, at least there was an air of professionalism about the match reports on a Monday, now you get that god awful what have we learnt bullet point report that's probably been typed up in 10 minutes.
It's a tough one, I can't see local media surviving that much longer but to not have a local paper every day would feel weird. The Post went weekly a while back and I always get it as it's pretty readable although they don't really cover Football aside from a business angle anymore.
Maybe they should go free like the Metro and the Standard.
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He really is.
18 months ago Mail had Kendrick, Tattum and Lepwowski as the three long serving correspondents for each respective club, at least there was an air of professionalism about the match reports on a Monday, now you get that god awful what have we learnt bullet point report that's probably been typed up in 10 minutes.
It's a tough one, I can't see local media surviving that much longer but to not have a local paper every day would feel weird. The Post went weekly a while back and I always get it as it's pretty readable although they don't really cover Football aside from a business angle anymore.
Maybe they should go free like the Metro and the Standard.
And I still wouldn't read it. If I wanted to hear sarcastic, negative shit towards something I like then I'll talk to the missus.
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Good suggestion that Perce.
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He really is.
18 months ago Mail had Kendrick, Tattum and Lepwowski as the three long serving correspondents for each respective club, at least there was an air of professionalism about the match reports on a Monday, now you get that god awful what have we learnt bullet point report that's probably been typed up in 10 minutes.
It's a tough one, I can't see local media surviving that much longer but to not have a local paper every day would feel weird. The Post went weekly a while back and I always get it as it's pretty readable although they don't really cover Football aside from a business angle anymore.
Even with decent journalism, the time of the (paid) printed press is almost over. I think it's mainly the over 40s who still buy a paper and then mainly out of habit.
I don't think I've paid money for a newspaper in the last 5 years, and stopped buying one regularly about 10 years ago.
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He really is.
18 months ago Mail had Kendrick, Tattum and Lepwowski as the three long serving correspondents for each respective club, at least there was an air of professionalism about the match reports on a Monday, now you get that god awful what have we learnt bullet point report that's probably been typed up in 10 minutes.
It's a tough one, I can't see local media surviving that much longer but to not have a local paper every day would feel weird. The Post went weekly a while back and I always get it as it's pretty readable although they don't really cover Football aside from a business angle anymore.
Even with decent journalism, the time of the (paid) printed press is almost over. I think it's mainly the over 40s who still buy a paper and then mainly out of habit.
I don't think I've paid money for a newspaper in the last 5 years, and stopped buying one regularly about 10 years ago.
And therein lies the dilemma. We expect quality writing, but we also expect more of it than ever and don't expect to pay for it.
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When I moved to Newcastle to be a student in the mid 80s, I used to go on to people about the "outdoor" and get totally blank stares back.
The fucking phillistines.
Remind me what they called their sports Argos up there?
It's pet name, something like The Pink.
I think a few regions had a 'Sporting Pink'. Although if I remember right from away trips with Villa in the eighties, Yorkshire had a 'Sporting Green'.
cov had the 'pink' too. We used to get it in Nuneaton. Fond memories of villa battering Coventry splashed all over it.
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Good suggestion that Perce.
Cheers. I buy the Post every week as well, even though I've already read most of it on-line by the time it comes out on a Thursday. It's such a staunch supporter of the city I feel duty bound to encourage them with my £1.70 a week.
Maybe the Mail could take a leaf out of their book, support-wise.
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Supportive as ever...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/10-aston-villa-players-who-9586584
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Some of those are just plain wrong. How long before the Mail marvels over blunders like Enckelman?
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Good grief. It really is a sad and pathetic little rag these days.
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I think the only suitable description is.
******
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Mind you have you seen the half arsed arse licking of the boohoos in the next article down debating the pros and cons of signing Joey Barton
Includes such gems as
The fans would probably take to him, fans love a bad boy, and Blues have had their fair share down the years with Mick Harford, Mark Dennis, Robbie Savage and Co.
and
If Joey (sorry Joe) Barton signs for Birmingham City, I will do a lap of St Andrew's dressed in a chicken suit.
That said, what a signing it would be.
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Genuinely amazing. I suppose the grown ups running the place have more to worry about than the sports pages (like going out of business) but still, its amazing you can let someone like Gregg Evans write his nonsense for your site.
I do wonder what people who genuinely care about their work like Kendrick must think when they read this stuff. It must be disheartening "Really? you allow that on the site? Why should I even bother writing anything half interesting?"
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Think Gregg Evans could do with moving onto better (or more suitable) things himself.
Road kill remover on the M6 or dog food tester for Pedigree Chum(p) are roles I am sure he would flourish in.
This journalism lark doesn't seem to be working out.
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Coming next week: "10 Reasons Why Villa Should Be Loathed And Relegated: Our man Gregg Evans explains why Aston Villa, that local embarrassment, should stand aside and let the club that bears the city's name take its rightful place as the region's number one football club."
I'm afraid I just have an instant loathing for anyone called Greg who spells his name with a double g. That to me is the hallmark of a twat. The only other one I can think of is Gregg Wallace - which I think comfortably supports my theory. Along the same lines, I have yet to meet a Marc (with a c) or a Kris (with a K) who wasn't an utter c***.
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Supportive as ever...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/10-aston-villa-players-who-9586584
Just clickbait. Even so, there are some bizarre names included on that list. The reason some of them went on to find better form was that they went to clubs in the division below. Including Boaz Myhill in there is him having a joke isn't it?
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Not even sure where to start with that article...completely ignores the years of good service of some of our better players, the fact that a transfer market actually does exist and players are sold for a variety of reasons, and that other clubs also sell their players to clubs in better or worse positions without being branded as "selling clubs".
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Not even sure where to start with that article...completely ignores the years of good service of some of our better players, the fact that a transfer market actually does exist and players are sold for a variety of reasons, and that other clubs also sell their players to clubs in better or worse positions without being branded as "selling clubs".
It's hardly investigative, cutting-edge journalism; just saying what many on here have said in the past.
And are we any different to other clubs, subject to agents, transfer markets and changing management?
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Peter Wittingham? Really?
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Peter Wittingham? Really?
I thought that. The Peter Whittingham who has had a single relegation season in the top division since he left Villa.
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How many of those were bad moves by the club (as the article is trying to imply). Cahill and possibly Crouch (would have taken a lot of pain before the gain though).
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The other article that was typical form for the Mail was when Richards signed. Instead of just talking about the merits of the player the article instead focused on how his pay compares to the other members of the squad in a shit stirring kind of way. I didn't see any point in it or indeed what it was hoping to achieve which again is par for the course where the Mail is right now covering Villa.
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I don't blame him for writing it - he writes what he's told to write - but with a modicum of research it could have included players such as Danny Blanchflower, George Graham and Martin Keown. Instead, Boaz Myhill and Peter Wittingham makes it look a typical petty Mail anti-Villa spacefiller.
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Even most of the best of those mentioned weren't actually better after leaving Villa, they simply went on to better things, or were surrounded by better players. As for including Whittingham and Myhill, that's just desperate.
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I wake up every day regretting the folly of us letting Peter Whittingham and Boaz Myhill leave.
Though as Myhill ended up at Olbiyun, I can't see how he has ended up going on to bigger and better things.
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Amazed they missed out Darren Byfield, as he scored loads more after he left than he did with us.
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I don't blame him for writing it - he writes what he's told to write - but with a modicum of research it could have included players such as Danny Blanchflower, George Graham and Martin Keown. Instead, Boaz Myhill and Peter Wittingham makes it look a typical petty Mail anti-Villa spacefiller.
Website's aimed at 20-30 age range so the whole football didn't exist before 1992 comes into play I think with just modern players included.
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Amazed they missed out Darren Byfield, as he scored loads more after he left than he did with us.
And Martin Carruthers !
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How many of those were bad moves by the club (as the article is trying to imply). Cahill and possibly Crouch (would have taken a lot of pain before the gain though).
Crouch was a strange one, as he hardly played, then came in and played really well in the League Cup semi-final against Bolton, scored two against Leicester in the next game and was never seen again after that.
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Who is that Gregg Evans? Everything of his that I've had the misfortune to read has just been shockingly poor. He's like a YTS trainee dropped in at the deep end.
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suprised they missed out sturridge even If he was only here in the academy
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Gregg Evans next piece will probably be along the lines of 10 players we were linked with but never signed and that's why we're in the state we are now.
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And yet another sad sack, piece of shit article.
Aston Villa: Nine reasons why Idrissa Gueye should become the club's best ever African player (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/idrissa-gueye-aston-villa--9588420)
They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. In that case it would be better if they printed a picture of a used colostomy bag on every page.
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And yet another sad sack, piece of shit article.
Aston Villa: Nine reasons why Idrissa Gueye should become the club's best ever African player (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/idrissa-gueye-aston-villa--9588420)
They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. In that case it would be better if they printed a picture of a used colostomy bag on every page.
At least this one's got some reearch to it and it's not just criticism for the sake of it.
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suprised they missed out sturridge even If he was only here in the academy
As Dave W suggests, with a tiny bit of research, that article could have been a genuinely interesting one, with reference to players such as Blanchflower, Graham, Keown, and I would add Gerry Hitchens and Platt.
But they seem determined to be small-minded and petty in their anti-Viila approach.
Twats.
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suprised they missed out sturridge even If he was only here in the academy
As Dave W suggests, with a tiny bit of research, that article could have been a genuinely interesting one, with reference to players such as Blanchflower, Graham, Keown, and I would add Gerry Hitchens and Platt.
But they seem determined to be small-minded and petty in their anti-Viila approach.
Twats.
And ironically, it could have also included Gordon Hodgson, who I'd never heard of but after Mat K mentioned him in his article I looked him up and he had a fascinating life & career. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Hodgson
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Neale Cooper he went on to manage at the highest level.
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And yet another sad sack, piece of shit article.
Aston Villa: Nine reasons why Idrissa Gueye should become the club's best ever African player (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/idrissa-gueye-aston-villa--9588420)
They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. In that case it would be better if they printed a picture of a used colostomy bag on every page.
At least this one's got some reearch to it and it's not just criticism for the sake of it.
Still condescending / disparaging and an article that didn't need to be written.
In the interests of consistency, having mentioned Boateng as playing for Holland despite being born in Ghana, they could have included Okore who plays for Denmark but was born in the Ivory Coast or Benteke who was born in DRC
And by the same criteria they could have dropped KEA who chose to play for Morocco despite being born and raised in Holland.
Maybe it's not as blatant, but it's still an unnecessary dig and based on research that's pretty sloppy at best, subjective and wilfully negative at worst.
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Oh Kendrick, they got you too. What happened to you man?
Is the Mail doing these little digs at all the local clubs or is it just reserved for us?
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Well further down the page on the "9 reasons" article, there's a piece about what a fantastic job Pullis has done with that lot, a piece about how great it is that the other lot have got 4 new signings in place to start their pre-season and a further piece of about 'noses enjoying the summer.
I assume the rest of you are being followed around by your own personal thunder clouds?
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Of course the noses are enjoying the summer, there's no football on.
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Oh Kendrick, they got you too. What happened to you man?
Is the Mail doing these little digs at all the local clubs or is it just reserved for us?
Seems to be the way now. Click bait in the form of lists and copy and pasted articles from other sources seems to be order of the day.
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but what is the readership of the mail these days???
they cant be selling much advertising space , which I believe is where they made their money before,
so a bit like the noses they blame Villa for everything wrong with their product.
love it.
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Of course the noses are enjoying the summer, there's no football on.
No, they're all miserable because there aren't any Villa defeats to celebrate.
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Neale Cooper he went on to manage at the highest level.
Eh?
Ross County, Gillingham, Peterhead and Hartlepool?
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Neale Cooper he went on to manage at the highest level.
Eh?
Ross County, Gillingham, Peterhead and Hartlepool?
Irony Mr Coops
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Neale Cooper he went on to manage at the highest level.
Eh?
Ross County, Gillingham, Peterhead and Hartlepool?
Irony Mr Coops
Yes, i realised that as soon as I posted! Thought I'd let it ride anyway.
Mind you, Ross County is a top job, better than those rubbish dump dwelling, franchise club bastards from over the Kessock Bridge anyway.
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They may as well go back and mention Brian McClair. How shit we are as a club.
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Spot the difference in these two titles on the back page today - "Reds refusing to go above £25m in the battle for Benteke" and "Saido is Bera off with Baggies - Brown".
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And the hits just keep on coming....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/christian-benteke-comment-aston-villas-9598287
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And the hits just keep on coming....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/christian-benteke-comment-aston-villas-9598287
File it under No Shit Sherlock
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And the hits just keep on coming....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/christian-benteke-comment-aston-villas-9598287
This bit -
"That’s if the powers that be at Villa Park can’t get the star striker to sign a new contract and commit his long-term future to the club"
He already signed a new contract and committed his long term future to the club about a year ago. His release clause in said contract is in the contract! Pay that and you might get him, don't pay it and you won't.
What is so hard to understand about that that the media can't get their heads around it?
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Gregg Evans' coverage of Villa really irritates me. Probably to disproportionate levels.
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Just don't read the Villa hating rag .
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1) He gets paid for this. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-comment-baggies-writer-9626101
2) At leat he's defending the club he writes about.
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It's more than he did when he was writing about us!
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It's more than he did when he was writing about us!
I always thought that when Gregory was manager he was way too supportive at times.
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Bet Gregg Evans couldn't wait to get this to the printers....
Fabian Delph's departure: Gregg Evans has his say on the Aston Villa's captain's imminent exit18:01, 10 JULY 2015BY GREGG EVANSDelph has been a real leader for Villa and despite a stop-start few years in his early days at the club he should be proud of his six years
“I am a loyal person and committing my future will hopefully show everybody what type of guy I am.
“I love the club. I love being here. This is my club.”
Those were the words spoken by Fabian Delph when he surprisingly signed a new contract extension at Aston Villa in January.
When the captain appeared on the screens at Villa Park with a beaming smile and the best news of the season, the claret and blue faithful
Now just six months on, those very same fans are questioning his loyalty.
Photo gallery of Fabian Delph at Villa
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How can he say all of the above and now leave for Manchester City?
Well let’s remember Delph could have walked away for nothing this summer as his previous contract was due to end.
That would have left him in a great position as with no transfer fee needed, clubs could have offered huge wages coupled with a long-term contract to entice him in.
Think how Tom Cleverley reaped the benefits when his Manchester United deal ended.
Live blog - reaction to Fabian Delph's looming departure
Delph chose to sign new terms at Villa, though, meaning that should he leave, Villa would get a sizeable fee for his exit.
He said that ‘it wouldn’t sit right with him leaving for nothing’ and that won’t be the case.
The £8million that the club will receive is only about a third of what he’s really worth. But it’s certainly better than nothing.
A low buy-out clause was entered into the contract allowing Delph to achieve his ambitions of playing in the Champions League if an elite club came calling.
England's Fabian Delph gets away from Slovenia's Ales Mertelj
After all he is one of the most talented midfielders in the Premier League, a regular England international, and at 25-years-old his best years are still ahead of him. He deserves the right to play at a higher level.
Delph has been a real leader for Villa and despite a stop-start few years in his early days at the club he should be proud of his six years.
Admittedly his emotionally-charged speech now reflects badly on him as he has decided to switch clubs so soon after.
It’s likely he will double his wages at City, but money has never been the case.
Trophies and success are what the midfielder wants and let’s be honest, at Villa his chances of achieving that were slim
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Gregg Evans is a total fuckwit
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As has been said before in numerous threads there nowhere else in the country where a local newspaper and a local radio station would report even the most minor misfortune if negative about the biggest club in their area with such glee. The Birmingham Mail has an excuse of sorts as it's dying on its arse and needs the advertising revenue through hits on their website but Radio WM has no excuse other than an editorial agenda based on a relationship with the club.
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Aston Villa: Fabian Delph's proposed move to Manchester City - what actually happened
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-fabian-delphs-proposed-9636872
Gregg's incisive analysis - he changed his mind.
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Keep digging Gregg, keep digging.
I love this one. Headline:
Aston Villa officials stunned at Fabian Delph u-turn; Nathan Baker has his say
the key quote
"I don’t know what Fabian’s situation has been to be honest,” said Baker,"
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-officials-stunned-fabian-9637871
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Keep digging Gregg, keep digging.
I love this one. Headline:
Aston Villa officials stunned at Fabian Delph u-turn; Nathan Baker has his say
the key quote
"I don’t know what Fabian’s situation has been to be honest,” said Baker,"
Not to mention the 'stunned' officials not saying anything either.
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They link us with a Swansea player, guess what kit they show the player wearing? (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-rumour-tim-9540250)
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Losing Benteke wouldn't be the end of the world (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-comment-stats-reveal-9630513)
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I think a few regions had a 'Sporting Pink'. Although if I remember right from away trips with Villa in the eighties, Yorkshire had a 'Sporting Green'.
Sheeffield had a Green 'Un - it was actually called that - published by the Sheffield Star. I saw one once and couldn't understand why it was so called when clearly it was pink. It was fkin ace being a student back in the day.
(Leeds) Yorkshire Evening Post's saturday offering may well have been green too, but it was a different publication.
I am still convinced Birmingham had two Saturday evening papers before the Mail and Despatch merged. The Argus was actually the Despatch's title, The Mail's publication was light blue. Or so I am convinced. There was also a Sporting Buff for horse racing.
Anyone remember the Birmingham Planet?
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I think a few regions had a 'Sporting Pink'. Although if I remember right from away trips with Villa in the eighties, Yorkshire had a 'Sporting Green'.
Sheeffield had a Green 'Un - it was actually called that - published by the Sheffield Star. I saw one once and couldn't understand why it was so called when clearly it was pink. It was fkin ace being a student back in the day.
(Leeds) Yorkshire Evening Post's saturday offering may well have been green too, but it was a different publication.
I lived in Sheffield for a while but I dont ever remember The Green Un being Pink it was always Green. The Pink Un was called The racing Pink so maybe thats what you are Thinking of?
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So did I it was definitely green
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They link us with a Swansea player, guess what kit they show the player wearing? (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-rumour-tim-9540250)
I wonder if it might be a rights thing? They might have their own photos of the player from his time at Blues, otherwise they might have to pay a new fee as they aren't likely to have their own version of him in a Swansea or Arsenal kit.
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Still got the pink argus from when we battered cov and Savo got a hat trick.
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Gregg Evans is a total fuckwit
Agreed. He's a really, really poor writer. Is there nobody better in the whole of Greater Birmingham than him, really? I can name at least 20 people on here who could write a better article than our Gregg, while pissed at 2am after a night out!
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By posting links to the BM on H&V, isn't that part of the problem? We ourselves are feeding this fucking rag every time it gets a hit.
If everyone is so annoyed with what they write, just ban all links to the Mail.
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Not at all. I find their ineptitude, rather amusing
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It seems to me that being a journalist for the Mail now doesn't take much. It mainly involves posting pointless tweets about player's haircuts and putting up quizzes. I'm not sure any actual journalism get's done and when it is, it's normally nonsense or wrong.
As for Gregg Evans, at least he can say he's better than Baggie Bill, who is by far the worst local journalist i can remember, who i'm staggered still has a job.
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Gregg Evans is a total fuckwit
Agreed. He's a really, really poor writer. Is there nobody better in the whole of Greater Birmingham than him, really? I can name at least 20 people on here who could write a better article than our Gregg, while pissed at 2am after a night out!
Atrocious.
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Now running Rodney Marsh's comments as a headline 'Aston Villa are going nowhere'.
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I am still convinced Birmingham had two Saturday evening papers before the Mail and Despatch merged. The Argus was actually the Despatch's title, The Mail's publication was light blue. Or so I am convinced. There was also a Sporting Buff for horse racing.
Yes, the Mail's was a broadsheet as I recall and blue - often referred to as "The Blue Mail," but The Argus was the sports paper of choice for most and saw off The Blue Mail, presumably when the Despatch and Mail merged, following which the newspaper sellers in the city centre were no longer able to use their famous "..spatch-or-Mail" cry.
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Still got the pink argus from when we battered cov and Savo got a hat trick.
I still have a copy of the Argus from 27th Feb 1971. It was little compensation for missing the game, even though we lost and my decision to go ahead with the wedding that day proved to have a rather more seriously poor outcome.
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I think a few regions had a 'Sporting Pink'. Although if I remember right from away trips with Villa in the eighties, Yorkshire had a 'Sporting Green'.
Sheeffield had a Green 'Un - it was actually called that - published by the Sheffield Star. I saw one once and couldn't understand why it was so called when clearly it was pink. It was fkin ace being a student back in the day.
(Leeds) Yorkshire Evening Post's saturday offering may well have been green too, but it was a different publication.
I lived in Sheffield for a while but I dont ever remember The Green Un being Pink it was always Green. The Pink Un was called The racing Pink so maybe thats what you are Thinking of?
Oh yes, the Green Un was definitely green. My comment referred more to the state I was in when I first saw one. I was convinced it was pink.
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I am still convinced Birmingham had two Saturday evening papers before the Mail and Despatch merged. The Argus was actually the Despatch's title, The Mail's publication was light blue. Or so I am convinced. There was also a Sporting Buff for horse racing.
Yes, the Mail's was a broadsheet as I recall and blue - often referred to as "The Blue Mail," but The Argus was the sports paper of choice for most and saw off The Blue Mail, presumably when the Despatch and Mail merged, following which the newspaper sellers in the city centre were no longer able to use their famous "..spatch-or-Mail" cry.
Thank you for confirming it. I've had any number of arguments over the years telling people that Birmingham once had two Saturday evening sports papers.
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They link us with a Swansea player, guess what kit they show the player wearing? (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-rumour-tim-9540250)
That rumour didn't go very far. Only as far as the bin.
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They link us with a Swansea player, guess what kit they show the player wearing? (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-rumour-tim-9540250)
That rumour didn't go very far. Only as far as the bin.
Although I do like the 'what the hell am I doing playing for this lot' pose and expression.
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I've noticed something: whenever they have an article linking West Brom with a player the photo is always of said player playing against Villa. Not sure if that says more about the paper or our rivals.
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Moving slightly off the subject, is this the worst music review ever?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/mostly-jazz-funk-soul-festival-9638949
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Moving slightly off the subject, is this the worst music review ever?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/mostly-jazz-funk-soul-festival-9638949
That's brilliant.
"Hackney Colliery a Band could best be described as a jazz brass band."
"though the ever-present brass makes it a little monotone after a while." What do you expect from a brass band, if not ever-present brass?!
And where do you even start with "Cymande’s revival is a fairy tale story, a great lost band reforming. Not many people know of this widely sampled Brit/Caribbean funk band. They’re not American – but who knew!"
Good to see quality journalism is alive and well. It takes some doing to be a worse writer than Gregg Evans, but they somehow manage it.
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Gregg Evans is a total fuckwit
And I kid you not a smethwick fan.
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Moving slightly off the subject, is this the worst music review ever?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/mostly-jazz-funk-soul-festival-9638949
No mention of The Atlantic Players (featured in the gallery) who are brilliant.
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Gregg Evans is a total fuckwit
And I kid you not a smethwick fan.
You can really tell
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Re; the use of photos in the newspaper they might always use photos of Villa against Baggies because of photo rights. They'll have agreements in place with both teams and they're the only two Brum teams in the Prem so I imagine it's that rather than any other more sinister reason.
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Re; the use of photos in the newspaper they might always use photos of Villa against Baggies because of photo rights. They'll have agreements in place with both teams and they're the only two Brum teams in the Prem so I imagine it's that rather than any other more sinister reason.
The clubs don't own the photos.
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Re; the use of photos in the newspaper they might always use photos of Villa against Baggies because of photo rights. They'll have agreements in place with both teams and they're the only two Brum teams in the Prem so I imagine it's that rather than any other more sinister reason.
The clubs don't own the photos.
I think he means that the Mail do (or at least have paid for the rights to use them).
So if the Mail do a story about Kyle Bartley, they're more likely to use a photo that they have on file (or at least already paid for) from his time at Blues rather than pay for a photo of him playing for Swansea or Arsenal.
It's just that they'd be using that stock photo to save time and money, rather than using it to annoy Villa fans by illustrating a story about a potential Villa transfer with a picture of the player in a Blues shirt.
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Re; the use of photos in the newspaper they might always use photos of Villa against Baggies because of photo rights. They'll have agreements in place with both teams and they're the only two Brum teams in the Prem so I imagine it's that rather than any other more sinister reason.
The clubs don't own the photos.
I think he means that the Mail do (or at least have paid for the rights to use them).
So if the Mail do a story about Kyle Bartley, they're more likely to use a photo that they have on file (or at least already paid for) from his time at Blues rather than pay for a photo of him playing for Swansea or Arsenal.
It's just that they'd be using that stock photo to save time and money, rather than using it to annoy Villa fans by illustrating a story about a potential Villa transfer with a picture of the player in a Blues shirt.
Their photos are owned by Trinity Mirror, so they'll have access to anything.
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Fair enough - maybe they did just do it to be dicks then.
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Fair enough - maybe they did just do it to be dicks then.
Or maybe to get Stripeys to look at the story.
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Shoestring operation.
The crap floating and sinking in the goldfish bowl with the bloated fish filled with let's face it, total crap.
It's time for a rescue if it's not to go the way of the other 'local' City papers but I fear it's a bit late.
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If they felt that strongly about our feelings they could've photo shopped a Swansea shirt onto him.
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Anyone noticed Kendrick off message with Trinity Mirrror a couple of times on twitter lately, and generally trying to weigh out the oppressively negative shitbag that is Greg Evans. No shock he supports that lot. He looks the type.
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Another Greg Evans article where his allegiance is clear - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-portugal---villa-9668309
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Another Greg Evans article where his allegiance is clear - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-portugal---villa-9668309
Yep. A few unnecessary little digs in that piece.
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Another Greg Evans article where his allegiance is clear - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-portugal---villa-9668309
Yep. A few unnecessary little digs in that piece.
Well you got me, I can't see anything but a positive piece about the Villa
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Another Greg Evans article where his allegiance is clear - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-portugal---villa-9668309
Yep. A few unnecessary little digs in that piece.
Well you got me, I can't see anything but a positive piece about the Villa
Like we need reminding of what the cup final score was or the result at Southampton.
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Steve Woollaston was tweeting today about how Gregg (i struggle to trust anyone who spells Greg with THREE g's) Evans was "nailing" the Villa coverage recently.
Yeah, like the "FABIAN DELPH IS LEAVING" live blog.
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Another Greg Evans article where his allegiance is clear - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-portugal---villa-9668309
Yep. A few unnecessary little digs in that piece.
Well you got me, I can't see anything but a positive piece about the Villa
Like we need reminding of what the cup final score was or the result at Southampton.
Ditto the comment about the fans.
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What Cup Final?
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Supportive as ever. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-liverpool-9674914
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Christ all of the victim mentality stuff gets a bit much sometimes doesn't it?
I don't get all of the hatred towards Gregg Evans. Especially on delph where events seem to be demonstrating that he was well informed
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Christ all of the victim mentality stuff gets a bit much sometimes doesn't it?
I don't get all of the hatred towards Gregg Evans. Especially on delph where events seem to be demonstrating that he was well informed
We generally get rubbished or ignored by the national media, so would it be too much to expect the local media to be somewhat supportive? There is a clear difference in the way they cover Villa in comparison to Albion and Blues
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Did the Echo do a story about how well Sterling would fit in at the Etihad? Did they run regular interviews with ex-City players saying he should move? That's not victim mentality, it's wanting to know why our local media are so negative.
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The shitty Mail tweeting a "story" about that obnoxious twat Rodney Marsh taunting Villa fans.
You're supposed to back your local clubs not take the piss out of them. No wonder your newspaper is dying on its feet.
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Hope the Mail goes out of business, it would only be fitting.
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The shitty Mail tweeting a "story" about that obnoxious twat Rodney Marsh taunting Villa fans.
You're supposed to fight your local clubs not take the piss out of them. No wonder your newspaper is dying on its feet.
Ignore him.
He's a prat.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-alternative-take-9683987
The only thing I'm surprised about is my lack of surprise.
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"If a table wiper in McDonalds suddenly gets the chance to run the restaurant, they aren't going to turn it down - even if they have a profound love of cleaning tables".
The bloke is a condescending tosser.
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Gregg Evans is a total fuckwit
And I kid you not a smethwick fan.
WHAT happened to Mat K ? He tweeted me that his role has changed ... he's covering Midlands football I see, with no specific club in his remit.
Maybe he's Greg Evans' boss ??
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I wouldn't be surprised if the mail printed of picture of Delph in a Man City shirt with LOL underneath it. Shit rag.
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I won't even go on their website any more, they just seem to revel in negativity.
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Same here. Removed from my FB feed aswell.
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Boycott the website, don't give them any clicks. It's not as if their shitty rag is full of world exclusives.
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The b****** son of the Mirror.
Some websites covering football these days are slow to load with all the ads but the Mail is up there with the worst.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-alternative-take-9683987
The only thing I'm surprised about is my lack of surprise.
Yeah, this article is ridiculous - the only bit I agree with is that he did give his best on the pitch when he was here. The McDonald's analogy is just terrible journalism and utterly inaccurate and irrelevant. Nobody enjoys cleaning tables for a living, by the way.
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Surely the analogy is with a senior employee at one of the top 20 restaurants in the country who is then offered a part time job at one of the most expensive 4 restaurants in the country and takes that job after twice loudly and publicly proclaiming he is not leaving.
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Surely the analogy is with a senior employee at one of the top 20 restaurants in the country who is then offered a part time job at one of the most expensive 4 restaurants in the country and takes that job after twice loudly and publicly proclaiming he is not leaving.
and having had a friend send linkedin messages to the owners of the 4 most expensive ones telling them that he was open to moving elsewhere.
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I won't even go on their website any more, they just seem to revel in negativity.
I'm sure they would come out with a similar article if Berahino was to leave Albion in that way! Didn't the same guy write an article saying that we should understand Benteke wanting to leave as well?
It's a rubbish article anyway, as it makes no reference to Delph being injured for a lot of the time he was at the club and the McDonalds analogy makes no sense either.
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After reading that garbage you really do have to wonder How on earth they get these jobs?
You'd have better written more informative and accurate opinion from about 20 posters on this site alone.
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Here are two tweets from Gregg Evans.
Sherwood wants Adebayor. If he can't get him, he will try for someone with PL experience
avfc also keen to explore loan market. Wilson of Man Utd and Chelsea's Bamford are options to replace Benteke
So in one tweet he says Sherwood want's experience but in another says he's looking at two unknown's to replace Benteke. Hmm.
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Bamford would be a good signing in my opinion.
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Bamford would be a good signing in my opinion.
I agree on both counts......a good signing for us & an even better signing for the "Mail"!!!
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Here are two tweets from Gregg Evans.
Sherwood wants Adebayor. If he can't get him, he will try for someone with PL experience
avfc also keen to explore loan market. Wilson of Man Utd and Chelsea's Bamford are options to replace Benteke
So in one tweet he says Sherwood want's experience but in another says he's looking at two unknown's to replace Benteke. Hmm.
One proven and one up and coming. It's what most people are advocating and it makes a lot of sense.
I'm still not getting why the mail breaking the delph story which turned out to be accurate is seen as a stain on their reputation.
I do agree it's an awful paper overall though
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If we get an experienced one it makes no sense to loan an up and coming one if you are not signing them at the end of that loan though. With the money coming in surely it is better to buy your up and coming and tie then down.
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What if they're not into being tied down?
Sorry...
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Tim might consider it like delofeu at Everton. Get them in for a year and then hope they want to stay (I know there was a year long gap in the middle). Also, frankly, we need to make sure we stay in the league and that has to come before other considerations
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http://blog.paddypower.com/2015/07/20/find-out-why-aston-villa-norwich-and-bournemouth-look-set-for-relegation-while-crystal-palace-are-certain-to-be-safe/?AFF_ID=16562
Not just the Birmingham Mail who have it in for us......
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http://blog.paddypower.com/2015/07/20/find-out-why-aston-villa-norwich-and-bournemouth-look-set-for-relegation-while-crystal-palace-are-certain-to-be-safe/?AFF_ID=16562
Not just the Birmingham Mail who have it in for us......
I'd take that a bit more seriously if they hadn't ignored all the new signings that we paid for.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-ate-pies-put-your-6120225#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Can't they print some proper news?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-ate-pies-put-your-6120225#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Can't they print some proper news?
Yet somehow we've still managed to piss the other lot off (OK their "biggest" fan)
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If we get an experienced one it makes no sense to loan an up and coming one if you are not signing them at the end of that loan though. With the money coming in surely it is better to buy your up and coming and tie then down.
I agree it should be the otter way round. Loan the experienced one and buy a younger player.
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I agree it should be the otter way round.
You Tarka lot of sense.
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This isn't the Mail but our ever supportive mate at The Mirror James Nursey. What on earth is the point of this story other than to stir shit?
Kevin MacDonald "demoted" apparently (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-6132667?)
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
In Villa’s first six league matches they face Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, West Bromwich Albion, Sunderland and Leicester - a run of games that can dictate a season.
A strong performance can leave Aston Villa in position to challenge in the top half. Perform below par and they’ll be in the struggling pack with only higher quality teams to play.
Apparently after our first six games we will have "only higher quality teams to play".
Somebody needs to brush up on how a league works.
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This isn't the Mail but our ever supportive mate at The Mirror James Nursey. What on earth is the point of this story other than to stir shit?
Kevin MacDonald "demoted" apparently (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-manager-tim-sherwood-6132667?)
James Nursey demoted himself when he started writing for the Mirror.
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
In Villa’s first six league matches they face Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, West Bromwich Albion, Sunderland and Leicester - a run of games that can dictate a season.
A strong performance can leave Aston Villa in position to challenge in the top half. Perform below par and they’ll be in the struggling pack with only higher quality teams to play.
Apparently after our first six games we will have "only higher quality teams to play".
Somebody needs to brush up on how a league works.
And so far, cuddly albion have brought a winger who's created more of a fuss off the pitch than on it. Still, i'm sure they'll get round to them eventually.
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
Basically don't buy anyone because they wont have time to settle in and we always buy shit players anyway.
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
I seriously think we should ban quoting articles from that rag.
Not only is it a horrendous mess of ad traffic, just clicking on it feeds them the oxygen to pump out this relentless shite.
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
If I ever get desperate for a job, I might apply for a columnist role at the Mail. Looks like money for old rope.
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
If I ever get desperate for a job, I might apply for a columnist role at the Mail. Looks like money for old rope.
I doubt there's much money in it, hence the quality of the people they can afford to employ.
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Is that MacDonald article even factually correct?
Didn't he leave after Houllier was appointed rather than under Lambert as they say?
His original 17-year association with Villa ended in the early days of Paul Lambert’s reign in June 2012.
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Looks like another new recruit's passed the initiation ceremony. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-aston-villa-grossly-unprepared-9721124
If I ever get desperate for a job, I might apply for a columnist role at the Mail. Looks like money for old rope.
I doubt there's much money in it, hence the quality of the people they can afford to employ.
love it! Whale
the geezers selling the big issue have more journalistic credibility
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Noticed the Mail's front page at the station this morning :
"Why I wouldn't trust Adebayor" - Andy Gray
I know we could discuss the merits of this signing all day long, but could you honestly see the Mail greeting a new signing by one of our neighbours with such negativity?
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"Is This Departed XI Better Than The Current Villa Starting Line-Up?" Apart from Delph and Benteke NO! Even with them two I wouldn't fancy a back four of Luna, Cripple Ron, Lowton and Stevens.
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Anything positive from these wankers whilst we're smashing the transfer market?
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Anything positive from these wankers whilst we're smashing the transfer market?
Hello Richard Keyes.
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Noticed the Mail's front page at the station this morning :
"Why I wouldn't trust Adebayor" - Andy Gray
I wouldn't trust Andy Gray as far as I could throw him either.
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Anything positive from these wankers whilst we're smashing the transfer market?
Hello Richard Keyes.
Just a bit of banter.
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Likewise.
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I think the bottom of the barrel has been scraped away.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-next-1000-years-holds-9798246
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I think the bottom of the barrel has been scraped away.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-next-1000-years-holds-9798246
That really is the depths. Abysmal shit as usual.
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I think the bottom of the barrel has been scraped away.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-next-1000-years-holds-9798246
WTF is all that about.................. seriously someone gets paid for that. How on Earth do they even come up with this shit.
Here's a prediction on the future, The ''journalists'' at the Mail will be lucky to have a paper to write for in 10 years is this is an indication of their output.
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If you listen to the retarded Blose and Baggie followers they have always thought the rag was very much pro Villa :o
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If you listen to the retarded Blose and Baggie followers they have always thought the rag was very much pro Villa :o
So true, there are several one eyed Albion wankers at work who are always going on about the Mail and Radio WM being very biased towards Villa, Jesus.
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They and WM have clearly decided that their strategy is to wind up Villa fans to illicit a response. Otherwise it'll just be a dead outlet dying on its arse. This article is the sort of stuff written by 6th formers and the Mail is fast becoming a bit of a joke. File under ignore.
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Supportive as ever.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-season-preview-villa-9811852
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I think that's a very fair summing up of where we are today.
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Can't really argue with any of that, it's spot on.
And they did say something along the lines of "let's hope we're not fighting relegation again this season"
The tone of the article is a bit antagonistic to begin with, but overall it's accurate, unfortunately. Truth hurts sometimes.
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The Guardian has 'five new players to watch' article. They're selling Gueye before he's even kicked a ball.
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Can't really argue with any of that, it's spot on.
And they did say something along the lines of "let's hope we're not fighting relegation again this season"
The tone of the article is a bit antagonistic to begin with, but overall it's accurate, unfortunately. Truth hurts sometimes.
Not in the slightest, but I do get pissed off by constant revelling in misery.
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Utter delight in misery, it seems.
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I honestly can't detect any glee in our misery there.
Guess it depends on your outlook? I'm fairly optimistic about this season and am looking to a mid-table finish (9th was my prediction)
Fuck them anyway, if you don't like what they print/publish, then don't read it. We all know they're looking for a reaction to generate website hits by being 'controversial' but that article was pretty accurate in my view.
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Anyone who ends a statement of position on the internet with "-FACT." comes across as a bit of a tit.
Anyone who ends a statement of position as a journalist in a published article with "-FACT." comes across as a complete twat.
The basic facts he uses to start his various points aren't contentious. His spin on them is the sort of barely contained glee at the potential for problems you'd expect on blues or stripey forums.
Compare and contrast with the Wolves article underneath, where the opening 3 paragraphs have virtually the same starting points, but the directions they go off in are completely different.
If the basic tone had been along the lines of what most people on here have pointed to
Yes it's a pisser losing Benteke and Elaphe obsoleta quadrivittata.
The signings we've made should mean the squad overall is stronger.
Home games should be a darn sight more entertaining than any point since McLeish (arguably MOM's second season)
Chance to lay foundations for the next few years.
Recruitment of players seems to be more professional than the last few years.
Then there's no problem. None of the above is outrageously positive.
And that's before you get into pure BS such as:
Moaning about attendances and the ground only 2/3 full when average attendances are still well over 3/4 full.
Bemoaning what we spend on transfer fees as to one of the reasons we don't attract the players we used to.
We've not exactly been shopping in the bargain buckets this summer, and even under MON when did we shop from the top two shelves? The signings this year are more reminiscent of signing Young and Milner. Paying top dollar for players who've demonstrated lots at a good standard, but still need to prove it at the highest levels.
Using Stoke and Southampton as examples of clubs giving it a go in the transfer market.
I've not kept tabs, but I'd question if there's another club in Europe that's gone through the player recruitment we've done this summer.
There's plenty to say about the points he raises that could be a lot more balanced without being a supine cheerleader.
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Who wrote the article?
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Who wrote the article?
Gregg Evans, their main Villa writer.
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Tim Sherwood’s ratio since taking over suggests he would have got very close to tenth-placed Crystal Palace’s total of 48 points had he been in charge for the whole of last season, so that is one positive to take into the new campaign.
The manager insists Villa will not be languishing near to the drop zone this season and let’s hope he’s right.
I don't think there's too much wrong with the article and the above snippet adds fair balance
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Try and read it whilst remembering the writer is a Stripey.
He spends the first two paragraphs digging at our suggestions that were a big club.
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Fair enough I didn't realise he was a stripey
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The whole thrust of the article is straight out of rule one of the Stripey Guide to Football:
"The Villa ay a big club."
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Who wrote the article?
Gregg Evans, their main Villa writer.
I'm not his biggest fan.
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Something I probably wouldn't have thought of a few years ago.
The more I read stuff the Mail put out and hear from the idiots at WM means the more I appreciate the (now fairly obvious) balance of Tom Ross.
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If I was enough of a brain donor to read Olbiyun fanzines or forums, that's the kind of guff I would expect to read.
It's constant sly digs from the twat.
Things don't happen by accident, so I credit the Mail with enough awareness to have put him in deliberately. It's not for his writing ability, anyroad.
They might have been miffed at losing access towards the end of Lambert's time, so replacing Kendrick with that provocative little turd seems to be their riposte.
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The whole thrust of the article is straight out of rule one of the Stripey Guide to Football:
"The Villa ay a big club."
It's also inaccurate as usual from Gregg.
The ground isn't 1/3 empty.
Swansea and Stoke haven't made more of splash in the transfer market (Swansea have spent less than £10m and Stoke less than £9m.
What are these unique ideas he mentions that Stoke and Swansea use to do well? He doesn't elaborate because it's just a throw away line.
Villa's away following will dwindle... if it hasn't by now watching Lamberts Aston Villa 0 it won't under Sherwood trying to win games.
Villa can't attract any players with personal ambition.
It's a shit article, both in it's inaccuracies and overwhelming negativity. One line saying Sherwood did Ok doesn't change it.
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
Was that the bloke who insisted them throwing seats at people was no big deal but us celebrating on the pitch was a threat to public safety?
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Dear Send them the Bill Howell
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kdOPBP9vuZA/hqdefault.jpg)
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
If true good. The 'send us the bill' article was probably the worst piece of sports journalism I've ever read. Good riddance.
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
If true good. The 'send us the bill' article was probably the worst piece of sports journalism I've ever read. Good riddance.
I don't like to see people lose their jobs but that article was atrocious. The Mail got showed up for the poor paper it is nowdays for allowing it to be posted. He'll probably end up on WM, he'd fit in well.
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
If true good. The 'send us the bill' article was probably the worst piece of sports journalism I've ever read. Good riddance.
That article read like he'd written it while drunk at 4am.
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
If true good. The 'send us the bill' article was probably the worst piece of sports journalism I've ever read. Good riddance.
Hopefully Gregg Evans can start covering them instead and they can employ someone whose interest in Aston Villa stretches beyond trolling the fans.
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
If true good. The 'send us the bill' article was probably the worst piece of sports journalism I've ever read. Good riddance.
I wonder if that anti Villa piece and his general antagonism had anything to do with him getting the boot?
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Baggie Bill been given the push from the Mail.
If true good. The 'send us the bill' article was probably the worst piece of sports journalism I've ever read. Good riddance.
I wonder if that anti Villa piece and his general antagonism had anything to do with him getting the boot?
I imagine over there that piece and his general antagonism got him a promotion. It must be something else.
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He was just a woeful writer as well. He spent too much time trying to be funny.
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We could have a WM-style debate. Who was worse - Howell or Tattum?
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We could have a WM-style debate. Who was worse - Howell or Tattum?
Tattum didn't spend years travelling the world covering a club he then said he hated.
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Apologies for going off at a slight tangent, read the Sun on Sunday in a Sainsbury's cafeteria earlier. There's a guide to making a weekend of visiting every premiership ground. For some reason they don't mention Villa. The Baggies get a mention though, with a recommendation to stay at the Premier Inn.
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Apologies for going off at a slight tangent, read the Sun on Sunday in a Sainsbury's cafeteria earlier. There's a guide to making a weekend of visiting every premiership ground. For some reason they don't mention Villa. The Baggies get a mention though, with a recommendation to stay at the Premier Inn.
Did it take long to write down the TV guide?
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Apologies for going off at a slight tangent, read the Sun on Sunday in a Sainsbury's cafeteria earlier. There's a guide to making a weekend of visiting every premiership ground. For some reason they don't mention Villa. The Baggies get a mention though, with a recommendation to stay at the Premier Inn.
Did it take long to write down the TV guide?
Behold the cameraphone
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Apologies for going off at a slight tangent, read the Sun on Sunday in a Sainsbury's cafeteria earlier. There's a guide to making a weekend of visiting every premiership ground. For some reason they don't mention Villa. The Baggies get a mention though, with a recommendation to stay at the Premier Inn.
Did it take long to write down the TV guide?
Behold the cameraphone
What will they think of next?
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We could have a WM-style debate. Who was worse - Howell or Tattum?
Tattum didn't spend years travelling the world covering a club he then said he hated.
No, he spent his entire adult life following a club he claimed not to support at school.
What a pair, eh?
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I am not sure whether I find it pathetic or respect the clear cut editorial policy of anti Villa. It is genuinely surprising though, I just don't know of other local papers that hate their biggest club so much.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-aston-villa-v-9819388#rlabs=1
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I am not sure whether I find it pathetic or respect the clear cut editorial policy of anti Villa. It is genuinely surprising though, I just don't know of other local papers that hate their biggest club so much.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-aston-villa-v-9819388#rlabs=1
That's not a genuine article surely
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I am not sure whether I find it pathetic or respect the clear cut editorial policy of anti Villa. It is genuinely surprising though, I just don't know of other local papers that hate their biggest club so much.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-aston-villa-v-9819388#rlabs=1
Look at the writer, the last sentence, and ask yourself how he knew what the game was like if he wasn't watching it?
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I listened to game with the BBC commentary that Barton was part of and remember him saying that. To turn it into an article is fucking laughable though.
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I am not sure whether I find it pathetic or respect the clear cut editorial policy of anti Villa. It is genuinely surprising though, I just don't know of other local papers that hate their biggest club so much.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-aston-villa-v-9819388#rlabs=1
That's not a genuine article surely
Our good friend Steve -Villa fans should be grateful to Delph and Benteke for leaving- Wallaston.
As far as I can tell he is not being ironic, nor mentions the obvious fact that Barton is not good enough to get into Bournemouths side let alone ours.
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I am not sure whether I find it pathetic or respect the clear cut editorial policy of anti Villa. It is genuinely surprising though, I just don't know of other local papers that hate their biggest club so much.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-aston-villa-v-9819388#rlabs=1
Look at the writer, the last sentence, and ask yourself how he knew what the game was like if he wasn't watching it?
Steve Wollaston ? Who the f..k is that ? And was he even at the match ?
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A sample of Steve's previous work covering his local papers biggest club.
Why Villa fans should not be upset with Delph for leaving
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-alternative-take-9683987
Why Delph should leave Villa, digging up the deranged zombie that is Rodney marsh for a quote.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rodney-marsh-aston-villa-going-9637672
In depth analysis on how Benteke would fit into Liverpool. While he is still a Villa player.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-liverpool-9674914
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What a pointless rag the Mail is these days. Such a great newspaper in years gone by but now it's just pale imitation. Does anyone still actually buy it? Growing up my home would never go a day without having a copy of the Evening Mail in it but I've barely bought a copy for the last 5 years.
Can't be long now till it goes out of business.
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What a pointless rag the Mail is these days. Such a great newspaper in years gone by but now it's just pale imitation. Does anyone still actually buy it? Growing up my home would never go a day without having a copy of the Evening Mail in it but I've barely bought a copy for the last 5 years.
Can't be long now till it goes out of business.
They're not exactly doing their best to stave off the inevitable.
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The way they've got some twat of an Albion fan who is even worse at hiding his disdain than Bill Howell was when he did the job covering the Villa, while Mat Kendrick is relegated to churning out "OMG! CAN YOU SEE YOURSELF IN THE CROWD?!??!!" style witless fucking clickbait on twitter is just unfathomable.
The way regional titles have declined in terms of sales and importance is pretty sad, but it is nowhere near as sad as watching the management of the Birmingham Mail frantically thrashing around trying to keep afloat.
Why anyone would bother buying it any more is beyond me. Even going to their web site is an ordeal - it is basically awful content hidden in a massive amount of intrusive advertising.
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A few years ago the Mail editor was an H&V subscriber, the sports editor was a Villa fan and the Post's sports editor bought one of our t-shirts.
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The Mail's website is awful, it takes ages to download on an iPad and when you think the page is ready to read the bloody thing jumps and you end up clicking one of their shitty ads. I'm sure it's done on purpose.
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Doesn't bill Howells now edit our programme
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Personally I just thought Joey Barton's comment was the new scouse way of saying "Gissa job. Any job. I could do that".
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A few years ago the Mail editor was an H&V subscriber, the sports editor was a Villa fan and the Post's sports editor bought one of our t-shirts.
I take it they've all gone now?
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I am not sure whether I find it pathetic or respect the clear cut editorial policy of anti Villa. It is genuinely surprising though, I just don't know of other local papers that hate their biggest club so much.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-aston-villa-v-9819388#rlabs=1
That's not a genuine article surely
Our good friend Steve -Villa fans should be grateful to Delph and Benteke for leaving- Wallaston.
As far as I can tell he is not being ironic, nor mentions the obvious fact that Barton is not good enough to get into Bournemouths side let alone ours.
The thing is, Joey Barton is easily good enough to get into our team or Bournemouth's. Had he not acted a twat throughout his career he could and should have been playing at a very high level.
He now seems to have decided to adopt Robbie Savage's modus operandi: say something controversial to generate interest and keep yourself in the public eye.
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I'm not a huge fan of Westwood, but I wouldn't have Barton in the side over him.
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Joey Barton having a medical today at West Ham apparently.
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Joey Barton having a medical today at West Ham apparently.
Are they looking for a brain!
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Has Greg Evans ever attended a competitive football match?
I ask because someone in the pub gave me a copy of today's Mail and when I looked at his match stats and he gave MOM to Gestede and only a seven to
Amavi.
I don't believe he was there and he was looking at the results coming in on Final Score and thought "he scored so he must have been the best player."
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Has Greg Evans ever attended a competitive football match?
I ask because someone in the pub gave me a copy of today's Mail and when I looked at his match stats and he gave MOM to Gestede and only a seven to
Amavi.
I don't believe he was there and he was looking at the results coming in on Final Score and thought "he scored so he must have been the best player."
Maybe, like his namesake, he thinks you can judge football better from watching on a laptop.
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It has also been noted that our Mail reporter gave Richards a 6 in his player ratings, stating that he lost concentration for the goal but improved as the game went on.
.....errrrm - what goal?
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Must be on about losing the race with Gestede to score ours!
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The barrel's finally been scraped. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/71-aston-villa-fans-hate-9832267
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Pathetic.
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Another pointless piece of guff from an increasingly pointless publication.
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Joey Barton having a medical today at West Ham apparently.
apparently Gold's son who's on the board tweeted that they aren't going to sign him.
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Joey Barton having a medical today at West Ham apparently.
apparently Gold's son who's on the board tweeted that they aren't going to sign him.
Smarter than they look.
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The barrel's finally been scraped. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/71-aston-villa-fans-hate-9832267
Dave I feel like you click and read these items for the same reason as me; some strange sight you know is wrong to look and stare but can't help it. Like a car crash.
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The barrel's finally been scraped. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/71-aston-villa-fans-hate-9832267
I saw that. Our mate Gregg was at it again yesterday in the paper saying that Sherwood had waited three months for a win after Villa were "humiliated in the FA Cup Final and had lost the two previous games convincingly". Not sure the 1-0 loss to Burnley where we dominated possession can be called a 'convincing' defeat, but he seems to get more bitter by the day.
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Joey Barton having a medical today at West Ham apparently.
apparently Gold's son who's on the board tweeted that they aren't going to sign him.
Smarter than they look.
Otto, Pennant, Bowyer. I think Sullivan and Gold take a bung from the probation service to employ/rehabilitate offenders.
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Can we just post a cut and paste of these articles here? Posting links just increases their click count and does their snide jobs for them.
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Can we just post a cut and paste of these articles here? Posting links just increases their click count and does their snide jobs for them.
Better still, just ignore them
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Joey Barton having a medical today at West Ham apparently.
apparently Gold's son who's on the board tweeted that they aren't going to sign him.
Smarter than they look.
Otto, Pennant, Bowyer. I think Sullivan and Gold take a bung from the probation service to employ/rehabilitate offenders.
Has Barton ever done time in prison like Sullivan?
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Joey Barton having a medical today at West Ham apparently.
apparently Gold's son who's on the board tweeted that they aren't going to sign him.
Smarter than they look.
Otto, Pennant, Bowyer. I think Sullivan and Gold take a bung from the probation service to employ/rehabilitate offenders.
Has Barton ever done time in prison like Sullivan?
Rhetorical question?
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Has Barton ever done time in prison like Sullivan?
Yep, 6 months for battering a teenage lad after a skinful.
I never knew that David Sullivan's girlfriend was Mary Millington for a while (don't Google her at work). Almost have a new found respect for him.
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How can anyone respect that tacky little shit?
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I am not sure whether I find it pathetic or respect the clear cut editorial policy of anti Villa. It is genuinely surprising though, I just don't know of other local papers that hate their biggest club so much.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-aston-villa-v-9819388#rlabs=1
That's not a genuine article surely
Our good friend Steve -Villa fans should be grateful to Delph and Benteke for leaving- Wallaston.
Yet in an article about Berahino possibly leaving, he included the following:
"Stay put Saido!
Former Baggies striker Kevin Campbell has urged Saido Berahino to stay at The Hawthorns.
Speaking to talkSPORT he said: "He could be a success at Tottenham but a lot of these young players tend to move a bit too quickly.
"He is playing in a Premier League side, he is getting games and experience is everything.
"He is only young so the more you play and the more you experience, then maybe later on in your career, two, three years down the line, if he wants to move then it is fine because he will be established."
Very different tone to the articles he wrote about Benteke and Delph. There have been a couple of articles like that now (one with Tony Brown), but I'm still waiting to see an article with the thoughts of an ex-Spurs player saying what a good move it would be.
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Has Barton ever done time in prison like Sullivan?
Yep, 6 months for battering a teenage lad after a skinful.
I never knew that David Sullivan's girlfriend was Mary Millington for a while (don't Google her at work). Almost have a new found respect for him.
Until you realise he attempted to profit from her suicide.
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Gregg Evans
Aston Villa comment: Jordan Amavi is making a real impression - but already fans are concerned about his future
“Jordan Amavi should be playing for a top four club, fact.” said one Aston Villa fan to me at the weekend.
“It’s only a matter of time before he leaves for a bigger club,” said another.
Quote one shocked me. Quote two saddened me.
Amazingly, after just two games, the 21-year-old left-back who was signed for £10million this summer is already receiving such rave reviews.
Can we really judge a player after just 180 minutes?
More importantly, can we say so definitively that he won’t be a part of Villa’s long-term future after just ONE MONTH at the club? I think not.
It’s a sorry state of affairs that so early into his claret and blue career, supporters already feel he will inevitably move onto better things.
The Villa faithful have become so accustomed to losing their prized assets in years gone by that fears instantly creep into their thoughts when a player starts to shine.
Christian Benteke and Fabian Delph continued the worrying trend of departures this summer by joining Liverpool and Manchester City respectively.
Before that Ashley Young, Stewart Downing, James Milner and Gareth Barry left for better things.
And even further back, the likes of Dwight Yorke, Mark Bosnich, Gareth Southgate and Ugo Ehiogu couldn’t resist the lure of competing for trophies on what they thought would be a more regular basis.
With that in mind it’s little wonder that fans are already concerned given the long list of departures.
The Villa hierarchy are not fazed, though.
They predict brighter times ahead and are exciting with the current crop.
Owner Randy Lerner handed over the money to snap up Amavi and was more than happy to write up a five-year contract.
Jordan Veretout, Jordan Ayew, Rudy Gestede and Adama Traore also signed similar lengthy deals while key performers Ashley Westwood and Ciaran Clark are now tied down until 2020.
Gana, Nathan Baker, Carles Gil, Scott Sinclair, and Micah Richards all have four years to run on their contracts after so any short-term exits appear very unlikely.
Villa appear to be learning from their mistakes in the past.
Delph’s contract should never have gone down to the last six months and Ron Vlaar should have been offered a healthy new package when he was performing well.
But with that in mind, long-term contracts were handed out to the new arrivals and the core of British players that Sherwood wanted to keep have been rewarded with bumper new deals.
In these very early stages of the season Amavi has been a stand-out star.
What’s certain is that should he continue to perform well, he will leave for much larger sum than the fee that was paid to Nice last month.
That shouldn’t be a thought right now, though.
The Frenchman is part of a new-look Villa team hoping to buck the trend of fighting against relegation in recent years.
The average age of Villa’s nine summer outfield recruits comes to just under 24 which shows how the club is building for the future.
Amavi will be a vital part of that.
Going forward he’s a joy to watch and if he can sharpen up his defensively play in times ahead Sherwood could have a real talent on his hands.
Of course, results will dictate his future, Villa must out-perform the tally of recent seasons in order to keep hold of their prized assets going forward.
Already Amavi is deemed one of those and he’s expected to get even better.
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Nursey levels of shit-stirring there from Gregg Evans. I don't know who the two fans are he is quoting but they certainly don't represent my thoughts or fears. What a ridiculous piece of small-time nonsense.
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So why bother reading what they write? They do it just to get the responses they are getting. It sells advertising if they know that they will get (horrible word) clickbait from prodding the biggest club with most fans. No point saying that we are great because we won't bother with it then. Annoy the fans and you're more likely to respond or at least read an article.
Ignore them and they'll go away.
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I doubt there's a single club in Europe who haven't sold ten high-profile players in almost twenty years.
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Alloa?
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So why bother reading what they write? They do it just to get the responses they are getting. It sells advertising if they know that they will get (horrible word) clickbait from prodding the biggest club with most fans. No point saying that we are great because we won't bother with it then. Annoy the fans and you're more likely to respond or at least read an article.
Ignore them and they'll go away.
It's why I quoted it rather than use a link, at least the tossers get a few less clicks from us.
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I now never go onto the site. When overseas I tended to look at it to keep up-to-date with what's going on but not now. I much prefer the Birmingham news thread in Off Topic and look at what's linked there. I like that Chamberlain (?) site but the Mail are just wind up merchants and have they ever broke a transfer story? Even a link to a player? They haven't a clue what's going on and so there really should be no need to even acknowledge them for me.
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I only go to that site if theres a link to click posted on here...copy and paste of the article on here is a much better option.
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I only go to that site if theres a link to click posted on here...copy and paste of the article on here is a much better option.
Agreed. I refuse to click on any links from that rag.
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The latest crap:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-villa-playing-9895770
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The latest crap:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-villa-playing-9895770
This is the opening sentence designed to wind you up.......
Crystal Palace have quickly become the attack-minded team that most relegation-threatened Premier League clubs can realistically aspire to be like.
So we need to aspire to be like a team who were about as good as we were under Lambert in their first year back until Pulis turned them around and are now only in their third season back at this level?
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The latest crap:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-villa-playing-9895770
That is a truly horrific article.
Where to start with these people?
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Copy and paste please.
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Another we're shit everyone else is better article from the ever supportive local daily. Thanks Gregg. I'll print that off tonight and wipe my arse with it. He may as well have ended the article with a 4-0 to them prediction.
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Aston Villa comment: Villa are playing catch-up with Crystal Palace - but why have the Eagles overshadowed their rivals in recent years?
Crystal Palace have quickly become the attack-minded team that most relegation-threatened Premier League clubs can realistically aspire to be like.
Now in their third successive top-flight season following impressive 10th and 11th-place finishes in the previous two campaigns, the Eagles are well on their way to becoming an established mid-table outfit.
Alan Pardew, arguably the best-performing English boss right now, has shaken up Selhurst Park to take them to a new level where they are, now, no longer looking over their shoulders at the bottom three, but instead closing in on the likes of Tottenham, Swansea and Southampton.
That is where a club like Aston Villa should be pitching in. By the end of the season it might well be the case.
But boss Tim Sherwood reminded us recently that Villa were ‘the worst team left in the Premier League last season’ following their 17th-placed finish and that it will take a 'lot of hard work' to transform their fortunes.
One less win last term and the claret and blues would be in the Championship now.
As it happens Villa are preparing for a clash with Palace in week three of the Premier League season.
So as the two teams go head-to-head, what exactly are Palace doing better than Villa right now?
Keeping hold of their star players has been key this summer.
While Villa lost Christian Benteke, Fabian Delph and Ron Vlaar, Palace got Scott Dann, Jason Puncheon and James McArthur to sign new long-term contracts and have so far managed to retain the services of Yannick Bolasie.
Not standing still, or even going backwards as Villa had until 2015, was imperative in their rise.
Palace were prepared to pay the big bucks to land the players they were after and that has effectively got them where they are today.
Significantly improving certain areas such as the centre of midfield and up front by landing Yohan Cabaye, Connor Wickham and Patrick Bamford was also important.
A number of Villa’s summer arrivals could end up performing better than those who they replaced but so far the jury is still out.
The pace and mobility in Palace’s team is also a major factor.
Defensively, Villa are as good, if not better than the south London side but when tomorrow’s hosts attack, they go at it full throttle.
Wingers Bolasie and Wilfied Zaha are skilful and direct while Puncheon also adds plenty of quality.
On top of that Cabaye's arrival was one of the stand-out bits of business this summer. Villa went for Ligue One players who were determined to prove their worth in the Premier League, while Pardew landed a proven performer who oozes class.
It shows that the club are moving places because when Bakary Sako left Wolves he ignored the advances of Villa and Albion to move to the capital instead.
Villa will be out to show their much-fancied opponents tomorrow that they, too, are on the up.
But the only way they can do that is by recording similar, if not better, results than Palace have achieved in recent years.
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"One less win last term and the claret and blues would be in the Championship now." I wonder if they ever say "3 less wins and Albion would be in the Championship", I bet I know the answer.
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Sometimes you can only stare open-mouthed in amazement.
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I see Stoke finished six points ahead of Palace last year, but no mention of them "closing in on" them.
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So many other things to pick up on, but i'll go with "A number of Villa’s summer arrivals could end up performing better than those who they replaced but so far the jury is still out." So after 2 games the jury is still out? Do they pay you enough to come up such insightful stuff.
And
"Villa went for Ligue One players who were determined to prove their worth in the Premier League, while Pardew landed a proven performer who oozes class." Did you have a trouser accident when writing about Cabaye? Let's see how long you think Cabaye is a better signing than Adama.
Send us the Bill Howell would be proud of that article it's so blatantly anti-Villa.
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Is Gregg Evans a Throstle?
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He's something starting with a T.
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Next time a Stripey or a Nose says the Mail is pro-Villa ask them to find a match preview that eulogises about the opposition as much as this.
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Is that meant to be the match preview?
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So many other things to pick up on, but i'll go with "A number of Villa’s summer arrivals could end up performing better than those who they replaced but so far the jury is still out." So after 2 games the jury is still out? Do they pay you enough to come up such insightful stuff.
And
"Villa went for Ligue One players who were determined to prove their worth in the Premier League, while Pardew landed a proven performer who oozes class." Did you have a trouser accident when writing about Cabaye? Let's see how long you think Cabaye is a better signing than Adama.
Send us the Bill Howell would be proud of that article it's so blatantly anti-Villa.
See also
Significantly improving certain areas such as the centre of midfield and up front by landing Yohan Cabaye, Connor Wickham and Patrick Bamford was also important.
We can only dream of signing "quality" up front of the likes of Connor Wickham, with his Sunderland goal scoring record of about 1 in 7, who is such a good, proven player, he's spent time recently on loan at Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday.
We can only dream of blowing £9m on that sort of player.
I also note how our signings are "unproven" and "the jury is out", yet that's not the case with Bamford, a player who has never played a single premier league game till this season.
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How can a so-called professional journalist get away with writing "Ligue One"? It's either Ligue 1 or Ligue Un.
Mind you, he can't even spell the word "Greg" so expecting him to master basic French might be asking a little too much.
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He's something starting with a T.
Terrible journalist?
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It's very possible that they've manged to find a journalist equally as bad as Baggie Bill.
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Christ! I didn't realise we were playing the 1970 World Cup winning Brazil team next.
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Interesting write up from the Crystal Palace fanzine there. Rough around the edges but hey these people are football fans not paid writers.
I wonder what our professional local paper would say about the match from a Villa perspective?
Oh wait.
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I haven't bought the Birmingham mail for years, when did they move it to London?
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Don't worry, they'll be out of business soon judging by the journalistic excellence they employ.
Pathetic.
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I haven't bought the Birmingham mail for years, when did they move it to London?
They move around from week to week.
Oddly enough it always seems to be a postcode that matches our opponents'.
They have two summer residences.
One in B9 and one in B71.
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Oh and did that dozy twat (was that the word you were looking for PWS?) really compare keeping Scott Dann, Jason Puncheon and James McArthur with selling Benteke and the yellow rat snake whilst the still injured Vlaar failed to sign a new contract.
I should be fuming but I'm too busy pissing myself laughing at it. Not only is h a wank journalist, he's a shit wind up merchant. It only works if it's just subtle enough to be barely visible beneath the surface.
Cock socket.
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He really is such a horrifically poor writer. Even ignoring his blatant anti-Villa bias, the standard of his English is terrible. "It shows that the club are moving places because when Bakary Sako left Wolves he ignored the advances of Villa and Albion to move to the capital instead." 'Moving places', since when was that a phrase? It's 'going places' Gregg.
"On top of that Cabaye's arrival was one of the stand-out bits of business this summer. Villa went for Ligue One players who were determined to prove their worth in the Premier League, while Pardew landed a proven performer who oozes class." From Ligue 1.
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Should be 'one fewer win' not 'one less win' as well. The guy is an absolute joke.
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You do have to question the editing process here as well. The Mail is apparently a newspaper, not a blog, and so Evans must have to answer to somebody in terms of style and authorship if not opinion.
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Sometimes you can only stare open-mouthed in amazement.
Honestly Dave, how has he got the job?
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Sometimes you can only stare open-mouthed in amazement.
Honestly Dave, how has he got the job?
Unpaid internship would be my guess.
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That London team they refer to though couldn't beat this backward Midlands team last year... another shocking article from the Mail again.
UTV
The Doc
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Well the editor we know is terrible, there have been articles ranging from abusive to inaccurate the last 12 months. Don't read the paper, don't click on the website. Let is die the slow death it deserves.
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Villa will be out to show their much-fancied opponents tomorrow that they, too, are on the up.
But the only way they can do that is by recording similar, if not better, results than Palace have achieved in recent years.
Really? How'd he figure that out?
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It is a very poor article.
But the general point that Palace are ahead of us right now is fair enough, as is praising the signing of Cabaye. But the over enthusiastic boffing of pants over them, unnecessary knocking of us and generally poor penmanship is ridiculous.
How hard would it have been to write an article rightly praising Palaces achievements but also discussing the genuine excitement about some of our new signings and the new start under Sherwood making this a game to really look forward for all concerned?
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How hard would it be, every now and then, for them to write an article which suggests they actually want Villa to do well, rather than sounding like it is written by someone who revels in the club struggling?
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serious question, does anyone on here ever have a dialogue with them about this perception of how they treat Villa? Surely they would be embarrassed if they saw this thread?
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serious question, does anyone on here ever have a dialogue with them about this perception of how they treat Villa? Surely they would be embarrassed if they saw this thread?
Several of us have tried but I get the feeling that they either have their heads in the sand or, more likely, they look at this thread and see clicks..
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serious question, does anyone on here ever have a dialogue with them about this perception of how they treat Villa? Surely they would be embarrassed if they saw this thread?
Me, Mac and Damon had an interaction with Steve Wollaston about it a while back on twitter. There was another with Mat Kendrick a few weeks back.
To be fair to him, he offered to give me a call in the week if i wanted to talk about it, an offer which I didn't take up, which he didn't need to do.
I do think that the standard of the Villa coverage improved significantly when they dropped Bill Howell and Mat K got the gig, only to absolutely plummet when Gregg Evans took over.
It isn't the job of the local media to automatically support everything the club do, or to act as some form of semi official cheerleaders, but you'd think that the largest local newspaper in the area would at least show once in a while that they want the club to do well.
Instead, they seem too busy churning out shit designed to appeal more to those who don't want us to do well.
Why on earth is Mat Kendrick reduced to tweeting intelligence-insulting "spot yourself in the crowd" style drivel while the Villa gig goes - yet again - to someone who quite clearly has a downer on us?
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They editorial team and management should absolutley read this thread. They need a serious wake up call if they could be bothered that is.
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serious question, does anyone on here ever have a dialogue with them about this perception of how they treat Villa? Surely they would be embarrassed if they saw this thread?
Several of us have tried but I get the feeling that they either have their heads in the sand or, more likely, they look at this thread and see clicks..
Well I honestly think you should try again and use this article as an example. I'm sure you could write a far better version to show them how it could and should be done.
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Also, just to add, "Gregg" with a double 'g' is entirely unacceptable, too.
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They editorial team and management should absolutley read this thread. They need a serious wake up call if they could be bothered that is.
Everything is based around click throughs to the web site these days.
They seem to "compete" on a crude numbers basis rather than on quality. Look at the immense amount of advertising on that site, for starters. The content is so piss poor, it is probably just as well the adverts make it almost impossible to find.
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Agree with this Mail article. How can the police cope with us, Blues, Albion. Wolves and Walsall all playing at home on the same night, yet have to move the United game to Friday night due to a couple of hundred EDL members marching.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-confident-handling-big-match-9893639
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Agree with this Mail article. How can the police cope with us, Blues, Albion. Wolves and Walsall all playing at home on the same night, yet have to move the United game to Friday night due to a couple of hundred EDL members marching.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-confident-handling-big-match-9893639
First of all, the combined attendances on Tuesday won't be many more than ours last Friday, and the main flashpoint, namely New Street station, won't be very busy so you'll have less police on duty for the five games combined than we would have had on our own. The big problem for last week was that 500 EDL were expected and a lot of them were due to be going past Villa Park on the train.
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The Mail's Palace article is also a blatant rip off of a blog piece from a Villa fan linked to on here in the last week
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serious question, does anyone on here ever have a dialogue with them about this perception of how they treat Villa? Surely they would be embarrassed if they saw this thread?
Me, Mac and Damon had an interaction with Steve Wollaston about it a while back on twitter. There was another with Mat Kendrick a few weeks back.
To be fair to him, he offered to give me a call in the week if i wanted to talk about it, an offer which I didn't take up, which he didn't need to do.
I do think that the standard of the Villa coverage improved significantly when they dropped Bill Howell and Mat K got the gig, only to absolutely plummet when Gregg Evans took over.
It isn't the job of the local media to automatically support everything the club do, or to act as some form of semi official cheerleaders, but you'd think that the largest local newspaper in the area would at least show once in a while that they want the club to do well.
Instead, they seem too busy churning out shit designed to appeal more to those who don't want us to do well.
Why on earth is Mat Kendrick reduced to tweeting intelligence-insulting "spot yourself in the crowd" style drivel while the Villa gig goes - yet again - to someone who quite clearly has a downer on us?
In a perverse way, I wouldn't might so much if Evans did have a downer on us if he was entertaining to read.
But he's just shit.
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Can't abide the way Evans writes about the Villa. He is like a petulant child with an axe to grind in almost every article. I am suprised he is not co-hosting the Franks Villa Bash on the radio each night while having a collective worship of all things dog and throstle related.
Why on earth Matt Kendrick can't go back to doing it is beyond me, he actually wrote articles about the Villa, not ones about other teams trying to score points from the Villa. And the click argument goes down the pan that as soon as I see Evans wrote it on their tweet, I don't click on it knowing it will be the reading equivalent of drinking anti-freeze.
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serious question, does anyone on here ever have a dialogue with them about this perception of how they treat Villa? Surely they would be embarrassed if they saw this thread?
Me, Mac and Damon had an interaction with Steve Wollaston about it a while back on twitter. There was another with Mat Kendrick a few weeks back.
To be fair to him, he offered to give me a call in the week if i wanted to talk about it, an offer which I didn't take up, which he didn't need to do.
I do think that the standard of the Villa coverage improved significantly when they dropped Bill Howell and Mat K got the gig, only to absolutely plummet when Gregg Evans took over.
It isn't the job of the local media to automatically support everything the club do, or to act as some form of semi official cheerleaders, but you'd think that the largest local newspaper in the area would at least show once in a while that they want the club to do well.
Instead, they seem too busy churning out shit designed to appeal more to those who don't want us to do well.
Why on earth is Mat Kendrick reduced to tweeting intelligence-insulting "spot yourself in the crowd" style drivel while the Villa gig goes - yet again - to someone who quite clearly has a downer on us?
Mat has to defend that crap - but as you say, why can't they give him the job? If they think more people will click if they offend us, that might be right for the first few articles. In long run it is a stupid strategy
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Not quite Villa related but sums up the Mail perfectly ........ Mail Online is telling everyone that Small Health play Burnley tonite ... they even have live updates
Only issue I can see is the away team are Derbu .....but shows exactly what the Mail know
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I wondered if there was a positive aspect to this; does slagging us off boost the numbers of Bitters/Blues fans who read this on social media to get their weekly anti-Villa fix, thereby binding them closer to the rag?
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Another subtle one this morning from a barely legible piece about out transfer business.
Please don’t go
Jack Grealish is Villa’s remaining stand-out star.
And if he leaves anytime soon then we all might as well give it up and start watching bowls or some other fascinating sport.
Villa are now used to losing their top players following a summer of more high-profile exits.
Good of the Mail to be the first people to even broach the subject of him leaving.
They also finished with this. You could make your own mind up about what message they're sending here.
Money no object
Sergio Aguero. Imagine Grealish and Gil threading balls into him all game!
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-aston-villa-done-far-9932849
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Another poorly written bitter article courtesy of Mr Evans. I have no idea why Evans feels the need to mention Aguero at the end of the article...obviously money is an object to bring a player like that to Villa Park so the insinuation is that Man City could take Grealish and Gil off our hands. This is the full article so you don't have to go on their site to read the poisonous click bait:
How have Aston Villa done so far in this transfer window?
19:00, 27 AUGUST 2015 BY GREGG EVANS
Gregg Evans looks at Villa's business over the summer and what could yet happen at Villa Park before the deadline.
Aston Villa have splashed the cash this summer in a bid to end their four-year battle against relegation.
Owner Randy Lerner has sanctioned deals to bring in ten new players this summer costing around £55m in fees to clubs, agents and the new arrivals themselves.
Of course, the high-profile departures of Christian Benteke and Fabian Delph will see Villa receive £40m back, but only half of Benteke’s £32.5m transfer fee has been paid up front by Liverpool.
As the wage restrictions have been relaxed and new deals with improved terms have been signed, Villa have spent more than many imagined this summer.
But how have the new signing’s settled in? Are Villa a better team than last season? And will 2015/16 finally see the back of a battle against finishing in the bottom three?
Our man at Villa, Gregg Evans examines.
Success story so far
There’s no doubt that Adama Traore’s arrival has created the biggest stir this summer.
When Villa were first linked with the ex-Barcelona youngster, fans licked their lips with excitement even though most of them had never even heard of the 19-year-old.
Boss Tim Sherwood had tracked him for years, though.
At Tottenham he wanted to sign the rising star but had to be patient before finally landing his man here in the Midlands.
In his two appearances so far, Adama has showed explosive pace and power and most importantly he has scored and set up another goal.
Sherwood has been keen to remind us all that the talented teen is still ‘only a development player’ but already he looks like he is destined for a bright future.
Please don’t go
Jack Grealish is Villa’s remaining stand-out star.
And if he leaves anytime soon then we all might as well give it up and start watching bowls or some other fascinating sport.
Villa are now used to losing their top players following a summer of more high-profile exits.
Benteke left with their blessing - he acted professionally, almost single-handedly kept the club in the Premier League and deserved his high-profile move.
The Delph situation was obviously a stark contrast given the show of loyalty that he falsely pledged.
Villa seem to be learning from mistakes of the past by nailing down their important first-team players to long-term contracts which means that any unwanted exits should not be forthcoming.
Biggest shock
Idrissa Gana Gueye’s arrival was met with great surprise purely because of the transfer fee.
His £9million arrival was the club’s biggest deal for four years and that started a fresh wave of spending.
Of course, Delph’s double U-turn was the most insane move of the summer, though.
First he was going to Manchester City, then he decided to stay and ‘lead out this great club’, then he changed his mind again and moved to the Etihad. Crazy.
Wanted
A striker and an experienced centre-half would top up Villa’s team nicely.
The arrivals of Gana, Adama, Jordan Amavi and Micah Richards look like good business but there are still areas that need improving.
Joleon Lescott is a player who Sherwood is keen on and he would help bring extra competition to the backline.
Up front they are still short and could really do with a proven Premier League goalscorer.
Emmanuel Adebayor was tracked and could still be revived if Villa get desperate before the transfer window closes.
Time’s up
Charles N’Zogbia heads the list as he enters his fifth season at the club.
It’s thought the Frenchman has earned around £13m in wages since his move from Wigan in 2011 plus a signing-on fee that would have been agreed when he joined.
The 29-year-old has been given the chance to impress under every manager he’s worked for in the Midlands but each time he has failed to disappoint.
Sherwood has moved on the likes of Andreas Weimann, Darren Bent, Matt Lowton, Yacouba Sylla, Antonio Luna, Nicklas Helenius and Aly Cissokho, but N’Zogbia must be next,
Aleksandar Tonev was also proving to be a complete waste of space, before the club confirmed his permanent departure to Serie A club Frosinone Calcio this morning.
The Bulgarian wasn’t even handed a squad number.
Money no object
Sergio Aguero. Imagine Grealish and Gil threading balls into him all game!
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Has that piece been written by a 16 year old blogger? It's woeful.
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I thing Gregg even managed to confuse himself with this one...not that its a hard thing to do:
The 29-year-old has been given the chance to impress under every manager he’s worked for in the Midlands but each time he has failed to disappoint.
Idiot.
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It's a simple one for me, stopped buying the shite rag about a year ago.
I can't even muster a quick glimpse when I'm at the local Chinese takeaway.
For the same reason I stopped listening to WM, idiots attacking the biggest club in the Midlands, it's pathetic.
They should get lambert on there payroll, mumbling bumbling twat who always likes to have a pop.
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I've been reading his twitter page and he's involved with an argument with one chap. Apparently Gregg gave lower marks for Villa players because they were not playing a premier league side. Where do you start with logic like that?
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If he had handed that in to me for GCSE English I'd have given it back to him to write with some sense of context(s), organisation, sentence variety and control, and a higher level of vocabulary to be worth more than a D.
Unless he was intending to mimic the style of a really poor, local, hack journo, in which case: A.
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"But how have the new signing’s settled in?"
Oh dear.
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Why make a point of the fact only half of the 32.5 million for Benteke was paid up front? Hardly unusual for a fee of that size is it? In fact don't some selling clubs actually sometimes prefer it that way for tax reasons? I seem to remember something like that when we bought Davies from Albion. They had already received a fair bit of transfer income and preferred to delay most of the money for a year.
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Villa are now used to losing their top players following a summer of more high-profile exits.
When was the last one - three years ago?
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Why make a point of the fact only half of the 32.5 million for Benteke was paid up front? Hardly unusual for a fee of that size is it? In fact don't some selling clubs actually sometimes prefer it that way for tax reasons? I seem to remember something like that when we bought Davies from Albion. They had already received a fair bit of transfer income and preferred to delay most of the money for a year.
Quite. Does he know how we're paying for our signings?
Still, I think we know why he made a point of it. The sad, barely-literate, Villa-hating twat.
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I thing Gregg even managed to confuse himself with this one...not that its a hard thing to do:
The 29-year-old has been given the chance to impress under every manager he’s worked for in the Midlands but each time he has failed to disappoint.
Idiot.
I giggled.
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When you think they can't get any worse.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mail-says-aston-villa-v-9950383
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When you think they can't get any worse.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mail-says-aston-villa-v-9950383
Honestly... who ever takes notice of the BM?
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So having said that the rugby is on the weekend after, are they suggesting the Albion game should be postponed. Cup v PL, cup take precedence, right!
Also mentioned that the police do not reckon there will be any trouble.
Mind you, this article was predicted on here. The Mail, so predictable.
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When you think they can't get any worse.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mail-says-aston-villa-v-9950383
The only thing that surprises me is that they've not used the 'pitch invasion shame' from last season's quarter final as further evidence of why it couldn't possibly be any earlier than a weekend lunchtime.
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When you think they can't get any worse.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mail-says-aston-villa-v-9950383
Honestly... who ever takes notice of the BM?
That is an absolute disgrace. Not the article but the picture. There are four Villa players there who clearly haven't been briefed to leave agent Ridgewell alone to perform his undercover duties.
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Is Mat Kendrick still defending that piece of... ?
Incredible that they post against the biggest team in the region.
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And one club always has the local media salivating.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/west-brom-comment-jeremy-peace-9976489
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So astute he appoints managerial genius's like Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine.
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Some absolute top notch journalism from the Mail this evening, looking at the upcoming version of the FIFA console game, and the ratings given to Albion and Villa players in it.
Here's the Albion one:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-broms-record-signing-salomon-10015559
Which starts with the line: "Rondon the only Albion player to break score of 80 in latest instalment of popular computer game"
Here's the Villa one:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-who-tim-sherwoods-10013743#rlabs=6%20rt$sitewide%20p$10
Which starts with the rather convoluted, but gleefully delivered line: "Only five players in the Premier League had a worse rating than Villa's lowest player score"
They're talking about Crespo, who has been given a rating of 70.
If you're interested, the lowest rated Albion player is Gnabry, also on 70, but clearly, the focus on the Albion article is on their highest rated player, whereas the Villa one is on their lowest rated.
The Villa "article" is "written" by Gregggg Evans, though, which probably explains the negative slant.
Interestingly the second highest rated "Albion player" now plays for Aston Villa.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-birthday-boy-jack-10024919#ICID=ios_BMNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Twitter
Jesus. A professional journalist writing for a real newspaper wrote this.
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So astute he appoints managerial genius's like Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine.
Perhaps his hit and miss managerial ratio is down to the fact he seems to change them every eighteen months.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-birthday-boy-jack-10024919#ICID=ios_BMNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Twitter
Jesus. A professional journalist writing for a real newspaper wrote this.
I vote that Gregg goes back to what he does best .......... selling Steak Bakes.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-birthday-boy-jack-10024919#ICID=ios_BMNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Twitter
Jesus. A professional journalist writing for a real newspaper wrote this.
I vote that Gregg goes back to what he does best .......... selling Steak Bakes.
The steak bakes would only fail to disappoint.
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Just read the rags report on last nights game, I think sha won, well thats how i read their shit, blues had 20% of the gate, (gets worse) aparently there fans sung throughout the game, bolox. heard them once in the 44th minute and soon drowned out, they didnt come back after that. sha were the better team in the first half , thats a bit strong both teams were trying to see how high they could kick it. gash report.
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Just read the rags report on last nights game, I think sha won, well thats how i read their shit, blues had 20% of the gate, (gets worse) aparently there fans sung throughout the game, bolox. heard them once in the 44th minute and soon drowned out, they didnt come back after that. sha were the better team in the first half , thats a bit strong both teams were trying to see how high they could kick it. gash report.
Like the Albion, they are masters of revisionism. Give it a week and they will be saying they should have won. It made me laugh when Pulis said last week that Albion should have won both games at Villa Park last season.
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Just read the rags report on last nights game, I think sha won, well thats how i read their shit, blues had 20% of the gate, (gets worse) aparently there fans sung throughout the game, bolox. heard them once in the 44th minute and soon drowned out, they didnt come back after that. sha were the better team in the first half , thats a bit strong both teams were trying to see how high they could kick it. gash report.
On 5 Live you could hear them quite loudly and frequently in the first half.
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Just read the rags report on last nights game, I think sha won, well thats how i read their shit, blues had 20% of the gate, (gets worse) aparently there fans sung throughout the game, bolox. heard them once in the 44th minute and soon drowned out, they didnt come back after that. sha were the better team in the first half , thats a bit strong both teams were trying to see how high they could kick it. gash report.
On 5 Live you could hear them quite loudly and frequently in the first half.
Admittedly I was in the Holte all i can suggest is the radio 5 reporter must have been sitting on their laps,
to coin a phrase from the boys:
your support is fucking shit
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Just read the rags report on last nights game, I think sha won, well thats how i read their shit, blues had 20% of the gate, (gets worse) aparently there fans sung throughout the game, bolox. heard them once in the 44th minute and soon drowned out, they didnt come back after that. sha were the better team in the first half , thats a bit strong both teams were trying to see how high they could kick it. gash report.
On 5 Live you could hear them quite loudly and frequently in the first half.
I couldn't hear them at all on the telly.
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Trouble is, the away fans are seated next to the TV cameras which obviously have the commentators and their microphones. If you put them right in the top corner of the Trinity, you wouldn't hear them at all. Villa won't put them there for fear of seats raining down on the home fans or worse things raining down!!
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Trouble is, the away fans are seated next to the TV cameras which obviously have the commentators and their microphones. If you put them right in the top corner of the Trinity, you wouldn't hear them at all. Villa won't put them there for fear of seats raining down on the home fans or worse things raining down!!
There's actually a few more obvious reasons than that.
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Getting them there from the coach car park etc for starters, not to mention segregation.
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If we ever rebuild the Witton Lane Stand we could move the cameras over to the Trinity. At the moment, it makes sense to have the cameras facing the Trinity as it is a bigger stand with more tiers and therefore more advertising space.
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I was in the North stand lower so they were just to my left and I thought they were strangely subdued. I have certainly heard louder away support in my time sitting there. Although that is probably because we only gave them a dozen tickets whereas they usually take about 15,000 away every other week.
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I was in the North stand lower so they were just to my left and I thought they were strangely subdued. I have certainly heard louder away support in my time sitting there. Although that is probably because we only gave them a dozen tickets whereas they usually take about 15,000 away every other week.
That's because for all their bleating about they were confident and were going to do us they were nervous as fuck and worried about getting another hammering. All the noses I know are chuffed they escaped with dignity intact, which tells you all you need to know.
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I was in the North stand lower so they were just to my left and I thought they were strangely subdued. I have certainly heard louder away support in my time sitting there. Although that is probably because we only gave them a dozen tickets whereas they usually take about 15,000 away every other week.
That's because for all their bleating about they were confident and were going to do us they were nervous as fuck and worried about getting another hammering. All the noses I know are chuffed they escaped with dignity intact, which tells you all you need to know.
I think it's the other way round. They thought they were going to win so they've been getting their excuses in.
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I think their entire fan base were uploaded with the 'we cost £500k while you cost £50m' excuse because as soon as the final whistle blew every single one of them were bleating it.
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I didn't hear them from the Holte and that's surprising considering there were so many Blose in the Holte in disguise wearing claret and blue colours.
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They were in the Holte singing along with the Villa fans. That's the only explanation as to why we were so loud. I'm surprised they haven't claimed credit for it.
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Regarding the bleating about the difference in what the two teams cost and the way they played etc. Correct me if I am wrong but, didn't Notts County cost less than the Noses then came along and put it up to us and when they eventually lost never mentioned a word about how much more our squad cost as opposed to theirs. Notts County came with, and left with dignity.
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Regarding the bleating about the difference in what the two teams cost and the way they played etc. Correct me if I am wrong but, didn't Notts County cost less than the Noses then came along and put it up to us and when they eventually lost never mentioned a word about how much more our squad cost as opposed to theirs. Notts County came with, and left with dignity.
Each time they wheel out that excuse the value of our squad seems to go up. Lerner and Fox must be chuffed with Sherwood. In the past few days every one of his summer signings have doubled in value.
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Hate playing the chumps, but fuckin LOVE beating them.
They've conveniently forgotten how their amazing support performed in the 5:1 game when the away end emptied after the third goal went in.
They need to let it go now and move on, it'll just eat away at them otherwise.
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Hate playing the chumps, but fuckin LOVE beating them.
They've conveniently forgotten how their amazing support performed in the 5:1 game when the away end emptied after the third goal went in.
They need to let it go now and move on, it'll just eat away at them otherwise.
About 140 years too late for that.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-lambert-past-nine-months-10453322?
They're back on form I see. And Lambert can fcuk off as well, because no matter how much in the shit we are at the moment we have still had a better 9 months than if we were still being subjected to your 'excellent' brand of football.
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No doubt the big pay off he got helped as well.
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Are sending a photographer to the rededication of George Ramsey's grave on Monday. Not sure who is writing the accompanying story.
Trust website has full details if you want to pop along.
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I,ve stopped buying the Mail for the past 2 months & just dont miss it at all.
The layout of the paper seems to have morphed into the Metro, & as everyone has pointed out they seemed to have a higher than average number of
journos lining up to have a pop. Going back a few years, I think it was a Roger Skidmore?, He loved a Balance of Power piece regarding ourselves &
Small Heath.
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This weeks entry for the Mails 'A new journalistic low' award. Any Villa fan buying this bilge wants his head examined.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-british-transport-police-10569276#ICID=FB-Birm-main
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I've just sent it to a mate who will be cancelling next months advertising with them.
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Atrocious site and rag.
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This hatred of Aston Villa probably started with our first ever game at Villa Park in 1897.The hacks arrived only to find tables had been provided but no seats whatsoever. They had to stand and it has never been forgotten!
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This weeks entry for the Mails 'A new journalistic low' award. Any Villa fan buying this bilge wants his head examined.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-british-transport-police-10569276#ICID=FB-Birm-main
Yep. I don't profess to be a master of the English language, but I can't recall seeing the phrase "gotten into" appearing in a published article before.
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This weeks entry for the Mails 'A new journalistic low' award. Any Villa fan buying this bilge wants his head examined.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-british-transport-police-10569276#ICID=FB-Birm-main
Whilst I'd agree they do seem to do anything to throw shit at the club I was slightly alarmed that what they did uncover does show a certain element of our support who seem to be a bunch of brain dead racist morons. And whilst this doesn't apply to the vast majority of our support something we should keep an eye on. Id hate to become associated with vile scum like EDL, BNP etc like some other clubs.
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This I am afraid is normal stuff that some people have to endure whenever gangs of football fans are about mostly drunk but not always.
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This I am afraid is normal stuff that some people have to endure whenever gangs of football fans are about mostly drunk but not always.
Some people have to endure when some small gangs are about, whether football fans or not. Let's not generalise or over-exaggerate.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-could-kill-aston-10571200
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-could-kill-aston-10571200
I take it this is the Micky Quinn "story"? This came up on my Facebook feed. I didn't click on the link, as I try to never knowingly read / listen to a word the fat twat has got to say.
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British Transport Police figures, acquired through the Freedom of Information act, reveal Villa fans have been involved in the highest number of incidents this season.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-british-transport-police-10569276#rlabs=18%20p$2
It looks like we are having a bad season all round. It must be the frustration of watching us play this season.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-could-kill-aston-10571200
I take it this is the Micky Quinn "story"? This came up on my Facebook feed. I didn't click on the link, as I try to never knowingly read / listen to a word the fat twat has got to say.
Correct. I guess he's still got his head in his arse about us sending Coventry down.
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They covered the Trust yesterday at least in the continuing battle for the Norwich money to be used to subsidise fans. Every away could be all but free if they do it next season in Division 2....
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Decent article in the Evening Mail today comparing this season with the '86-'87 campaign. Mat Kendrick seems to have made a welcome return over the past couple of weeks.
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Decent article in the Evening Mail today comparing this season with the '86-'87 campaign. Mat Kendrick seems to have made a welcome return over the past couple of weeks.
Greg Evans is on holiday - unfortunately not gardening leave.
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Decent article in the Evening Mail today comparing this season with the '86-'87 campaign. Mat Kendrick seems to have made a welcome return over the past couple of weeks.
Greg Evans is on holiday - unfortunately not gardening leave.
I wouldn't want to advocate anyone losing their job (even Gregg Evans!), but having Mat Kendrick writing about Villa makes it somewhat readable!
Here's a link to the article :
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-crisis-former-sports-10566131
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Not sure about a few things in that.
McLeish for all his faults did seem to see managing the Villa as a privilege.
As you probably would, if you had come from that lot down the road. But he did manage Rangers and his national side too, so he's had more reason than many of the sugarbags we've had in the hotseat to give it the Billy Big Bollocks. Yet he rarely did.
I think fairly recently he's on record as saying the Villa job was the right club at the wrong time.
As for the foreign players jibe, that is an easy line.
Good, honest In ger land players have bailed on us first chance they have got in recent seasons.
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Not sure about a few things in that.
McLeish for all his faults did seem to see managing the Villa as a privilege.
As you probably would, if you had come from that lot down the road. But he did manage Rangers and his national side too, so he's had more reason than many of the sugarbags we've had in the hotseat to give it the Billy Big Bollocks. Yet he rarely did.
I think fairly recently he's on record as saying the Villa job was the right club at the wrong time.
As for the foreign players jibe, that is an easy line.
Good, honest In ger land players have bailed on us first chance they have got in recent seasons.
You said everything I wanted to say but better.
I would add that even the genuinely decent bloke ,Kendrick cant seem to save the Mail's coverage of our club from being poor to awful. Sad, it really is.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-could-kill-aston-10571200
I stopped reading after 'Newcastle United legend'...
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-could-kill-aston-10571200
I stopped reading after 'Newcastle United legend'...
I couldn't look past that big fat face glaring out. He looks like the love child of Harry Redknapp and Mr Potato head.
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This I am afraid is normal stuff that some people have to endure whenever gangs of football fans are about mostly drunk but not always.
Some people have to endure when some small gangs are about, whether football fans or not. Let's not generalise or over-exaggerate.
No it's not generalised its specific to some gangs football fans.
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This I am afraid is normal stuff that some people have to endure whenever gangs of football fans are about mostly drunk but not always.
Some people have to endure when some small gangs are about, whether football fans or not. Let's not generalise or over-exaggerate.
No it's not generalised its specific to some gangs football fans.
Are you saying that the only people who get drunk are football fans?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-bookies-offering-odds-10606968
Just in case you needed to know.
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Anyway, I voted 12.
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Someone somewhere hasn't done their research properly. The photo accompanying this story is of Villa in 1887 not Smethwick in 1888. as tagged.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-data-how-baggies-10705388
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Should let them know? :-)
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Someone somewhere hasn't done their research properly. The photo accompanying this story is of Villa in 1887 not Smethwick in 1888. as tagged.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-data-how-baggies-10705388
Correct. The badge visible on some of the shirts is the Birmingham coat of arms that was only used in 1887-88 according to historicalfootballkits.com (http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm). The collar and neck don't match the Smethwick kit for the period either, but do match that shown for the 1887/88 Villa kit.
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It's an old picture of some ancient footballers wearing stripes so it must be Smethwick.
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Good to see Matt Kendrick condemn the "fans" at Wycombe today.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vile-aston-villa-bus-rant-10710594
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Good to see Matt Kendrick condemn the "fans" at Wycombe today.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vile-aston-villa-bus-rant-10710594
As long as people respond to it they will carry on doing it.
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This I am afraid is normal stuff that some people have to endure whenever gangs of football fans are about mostly drunk but not always.
Some people have to endure when some small gangs are about, whether football fans or not. Let's not generalise or over-exaggerate.
No it's not generalised its specific to some gangs football fans.
Are you saying that the only people who get drunk are football fans?
I go to cheltenham races on gold cup day. It's not just football fans who chant nasty things and are racist dickheads when they're drunk. Some, not all obviously but you know what I mean.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-star-subjected-vile-10719319
So they're referring to Villa fans giving vile abuse to Bacuna's daughter (bang out of order if true) but offer not a shred of evidence of this. It's as though they can't wait to publish negative news about us.
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Someone said something about Bacunas daughter on the internet, the world carried on spinning. It's not like an angry mob confronted Bacuna at the gates of his mansion threatening to eat her. It's the internet and full of morons and keyboard warriors looking to shock and cause offence, it could be someone who has never been the Villa as far as anyone knows. Pathetic coverage from the mail again.
When will the club grow some balls and start defending itself in the media?
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Someone somewhere hasn't done their research properly. The photo accompanying this story is of Villa in 1887 not Smethwick in 1888. as tagged.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-data-how-baggies-10705388
Correct. The badge visible on some of the shirts is the Birmingham coat of arms that was only used in 1887-88 according to historicalfootballkits.com (http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm). The collar and neck don't match the Smethwick kit for the period either, but do match that shown for the 1887/88 Villa kit.
Yep. Looked at Albion's kit at that time and it was their traditional blue and white stripes. Although the photo is in black and white, you can quite clearly see that those shirts are not that colour.
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This I am afraid is normal stuff that some people have to endure whenever gangs of football fans are about mostly drunk but not always.
Some people have to endure when some small gangs are about, whether football fans or not. Let's not generalise or over-exaggerate.
No it's not generalised its specific to some gangs football fans.
Are you saying that the only people who get drunk are football fans?
I go to cheltenham races on gold cup day. It's not just football fans who chant nasty things and are racist dickheads when they're drunk. Some, not all obviously but you know what I mean.
When my mum would travel to Hull games fairly often she always caught the train, she never had any problems with football supporters, it was mostly opposition supporters who always made sure she had a seat and would chat to her. Whenever there was a race meeting at York and she caught her connection that was when it always, without fail, became an unpleasant and uncomfortable journey. I know from growing up in a town that was a stop off point for coaches of racegoers and football supporters who were the worst behaved, even in the seventies/eighties.
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Someone tweeted to Bacuna that they hoped his daughter wasn't as useless as him, to which he responded that people could say what they liked but should leave his daughter out of it. That was the end of it as far as I can see.
Uncalled for, definitely. Vile? Hardly.
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Someone somewhere hasn't done their research properly. The photo accompanying this story is of Villa in 1887 not Smethwick in 1888. as tagged.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-data-how-baggies-10705388
Correct. The badge visible on some of the shirts is the Birmingham coat of arms that was only used in 1887-88 according to historicalfootballkits.com (http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm). The collar and neck don't match the Smethwick kit for the period either, but do match that shown for the 1887/88 Villa kit.
Yep. Looked at Albion's kit at that time and it was their traditional blue and white stripes. Although the photo is in black and white, you can quite clearly see that those shirts are not that colour.
I think that at that time we would have been pale blue and "chocolate". It would be a couple of years before the chocolate would morph into claret.
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I see they've got another Stripey on the football desk.
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Plus to the left of the cup(s) - there's another clue) is I think Archie Hunter and definitely Dennis Hodgetts.
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He's on about this (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-top-half-contenders-10737050) spot the surname of the writer.
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(http://www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk/Early-FA-Cup-Winners-Aston-Villa-188687/story-20147937-detail/story.html)
Plus the black country bugle seemed to know it was the Villa team...
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That article is about some contrived table supposedly measuring FA Cup success. So why choose Smethwick as the point of reference? Surely the logical choice would be the local club with the highest standing.
The picture is correct, it is the article that is wrong.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-analysis-boos-guzan-10760986
Boos continued for Guzan
Everytime the goalkeeper touched the ball the Holte End responded with boos.
Really ?
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Every time Guzan touches the ball I don't have time to boo as I'm too busy shitting myself.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-analysis-boos-guzan-10760986
Boos continued for Guzan
Everytime the goalkeeper touched the ball the Holte End responded with boos.
Really ?
There were a few, but I sensed it was more to do with perceived negative play of passing back to the keeper.
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Typical case of a reporter at the game not understanding what's going on around him. The boos were clearly for the constant back-passing to the goalkeeper.
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Why am I not surprised that we indulged in/resorted to back-passing to the keeper against Div 4 opposition?
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Why am I not surprised that we indulged in/resorted to back-passing to the keeper against Div 4 opposition?
Its the 'new football' don't ya know
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Yep, the boos were definitely for the negative play not for Guzan.
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Been mentioned elsewhere, but our mate Gregg has been at it again. He obviously feels that two days before a big FA Cup game is just the right time to dig up Peter Grant from Villa's very own Room 101 and give him the platform to have a go at our fans. I'm sorry, but there is no way they would run an article with someone calling Blues, Albion, Wolves or Walsall fans 'delusional', yet they can't help themselves when it comes to us.
As for the article itself, well there is some first class revisionism from Grant in there. He said that they had to sell senior players (which senior players are those then?) and that the wage bill was cut. Remind me who signed N'Zogbia, Given and Hutton on big and lengthy deals again? Of course, our Gregg didn't rectify any of this drivel, just happy yo go along with it and have another dig.
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Been mentioned elsewhere, but our mate Gregg has been at it again. He obviously feels that two days before a big FA Cup game is just the right time to dig up Peter Grant from Villa's very own Room 101 and give him the platform to have a go at our fans. I'm sorry, but there is no way they would run an article with someone calling Blues, Albion, Wolves or Walsall fans 'delusional', yet they can't help themselves when it comes to us.
As for the article itself, well there is some first class revisionism from Grant in there. He said that they had to sell senior players (which senior players are those then?) and that the wage bill was cut. Remind me who signed N'Zogbia, Given and Hutton on big and lengthy deals again? Of course, our Gregg didn't rectify any of this drivel, just happy yo go along with it and have another dig.
Well to be fair we did sell Young and Downing so the senior players bit sort of holds true. The issue is they got a big chunk of those funds to get replacements and they picked Hutton and Nzogbia and also signed Given to a contract that was at least 2 years longer than it should have been.
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There should be a film made about the Downing heist. I'm not sure whether it should be an Oceans 11 style caper or a Heat esq shoot out, with Randy and Faulkner emptying clip after clip from their C8s in Liverpool city centre while they make off with £20 million in loot.
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To be honest I can't even remember that Grant was even at our club and I doubt if many others fans remember who he is. So what reason would the Mail have digging him up to interview him?
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Gregg Evvvans should really be sorting out his freakish sloping hair.
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His name always reminds me of Greg Evigan of 'When Things Spill, Fall Over or Get Knocked Out of Cupboards' fame.
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Gregg Evans recently was asking people why Lescott and Guzan were being booed at the Palace home game, he claimed he was on holiday so didn't know of gum gate at Wycombe but surely it would've taken all of 2 minutes to find the story on the net?
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I listened to Gregg on the Mail Villa podcast with Kendrick. I have no idea why he covers us. The podcast sounded like a Villa fan (Kendrick) talking with a fan of another team from outside the area (Gregg) , its very weird.
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To be honest I can't even remember that Grant was even at our club and I doubt if many others fans remember who he is. So what reason would the Mail have digging him up to interview him?
My thoughts entirely. Why would any Villa fan want to know what Peter Grant has to say about our current situation, unless it was a "hands up, me and my pal Big Eck played a role in where the club finds itself now".
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I listened to Gregg on the Mail Villa podcast with Kendrick. I have no idea why he covers us. The podcast sounded like a Villa fan (Kendrick) talking with a fan of another team from outside the area (Gregg) , its very weird.
He's an Albion fan. We're in the strange situation where the people at the two media outlets that cover us the most (Radio WM and Birmingham Mail) seem to spend most of the time trying to bait and wind up our fans.
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I listened to Gregg on the Mail Villa podcast with Kendrick. I have no idea why he covers us. The podcast sounded like a Villa fan (Kendrick) talking with a fan of another team from outside the area (Gregg) , its very weird.
He's an Albion fan. We're in the strange situation where the people at the two media outlets that cover us the most (Radio WM and Birmingham Mail) seem to spend most of the time trying to bait and wind up our fans.
It's because we've get them get away with it for years. Some clubs woud have banned them both time & again by now.
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I listened to Gregg on the Mail Villa podcast with Kendrick. I have no idea why he covers us. The podcast sounded like a Villa fan (Kendrick) talking with a fan of another team from outside the area (Gregg) , its very weird.
He's an Albion fan. We're in the strange situation where the people at the two media outlets that cover us the most (Radio WM and Birmingham Mail) seem to spend most of the time trying to bait and wind up our fans.
Ah that fits. Did not know that. Thanks!
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To be honest I can't even remember that Grant was even at our club and I doubt if many others fans remember who he is. So what reason would the Mail have digging him up to interview him
Same here. I'd forgotten all about him.
The only thing d be interested in hearing from him was an apology for being a part of this sorry mess.
Arsewipe.
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I listened to Gregg on the Mail Villa podcast with Kendrick. I have no idea why he covers us. The podcast sounded like a Villa fan (Kendrick) talking with a fan of another team from outside the area (Gregg) , its very weird.
He's an Albion fan. We're in the strange situation where the people at the two media outlets that cover us the most (Radio WM and Birmingham Mail) seem to spend most of the time trying to bait and wind up our fans.
It's because we've get them get away with it for years. Some clubs woud have banned them both time & again by now.
I've only really started listening to WM regularly since Free Radio and Tom Ross lost the football coverage, so has it always been that bad? I just thought with them being the only show in town now, they can afford for the mask to slip. It is noticeable, however, that Franks in particular has a very different tone when accompanied by the likes of Brian Little and Tony Morley.
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I listened to Gregg on the Mail Villa podcast with Kendrick. I have no idea why he covers us. The podcast sounded like a Villa fan (Kendrick) talking with a fan of another team from outside the area (Gregg) , its very weird.
He's an Albion fan. We're in the strange situation where the people at the two media outlets that cover us the most (Radio WM and Birmingham Mail) seem to spend most of the time trying to bait and wind up our fans.
Ah that fits. Did not know that. Thanks!
Yeah, he gave it away in his review of Villa's season last year when he said that the Albion fans deserved a "mention" in the best away supporters category.
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I listened to Gregg on the Mail Villa podcast with Kendrick. I have no idea why he covers us. The podcast sounded like a Villa fan (Kendrick) talking with a fan of another team from outside the area (Gregg) , its very weird.
He's an Albion fan. We're in the strange situation where the people at the two media outlets that cover us the most (Radio WM and Birmingham Mail) seem to spend most of the time trying to bait and wind up our fans.
It's because we've get them get away with it for years. Some clubs woud have banned them both time & again by now.
I've only really started listening to WM regularly since Free Radio and Tom Ross lost the football coverage, so has it always been that bad? I just thought with them being the only show in town now, they can afford for the mask to slip. It is noticeable, however, that Franks in particular has a very different tone when accompanied by the likes of Brian Little and Tony Morley.
WM's been like it for years, the Birmingham Evening Clickbait really kicked in last season.
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He's on about this (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-top-half-contenders-10737050) spot the surname of the writer.
Well done to him. I always fancied a job as a football journalist.
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To be honest I can't even remember that Grant was even at our club and I doubt if many others fans remember who he is. So what reason would the Mail have digging him up to interview him?
My thoughts entirely. Why would any Villa fan want to know what Peter Grant has to say about our current situation, unless it was a "hands up, me and my pal Big Eck played a role in where the club finds itself now".
I think anyone willing to stick the boot in is welcome at that rag at the moment.
And then you remember that he was part of the brains trust that brought us "that" line up at WHL. To put it politely, f##k off back to north of Hadrian's wall and don't bother coming south again.
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To be honest I can't even remember that Grant was even at our club and I doubt if many others fans remember who he is. So what reason would the Mail have digging him up to interview him?
My thoughts entirely. Why would any Villa fan want to know what Peter Grant has to say about our current situation, unless it was a "hands up, me and my pal Big Eck played a role in where the club finds itself now".
I think anyone willing to stick the boot in is welcome at that rag at the moment.
And then you remember that he was part of the brains trust that brought us "that" line up at WHL. To put it politely, f##k off back to north of Hadrian's wall and don't bother coming south again.
Why now though? I could understand if it was a secondary story online, but it was the lead Villa story on the back page. Surely an FA Cup game against Manchester City in a couple of days is enough of a story?
Coming to think of it though, Grant has worked at Albion and Blues, so I suppose they couldn't miss the chance to enforce the old "Albion and Blues fans = proper fans, Villa fans = fickle and delusional" myth.
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Does anyone really care what the Mail prints these days (if in fact they still bother actually 'printing' stuff rather than shitting it out all over a web page decorated by at least 30 different ads)?
Local journalism is slowly dying, in a depressing hell of horrible pointless clickbait non-content and awful , lowest common denominator "look at me! look at me!" headlines.
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Why now? Well from what I've picked up from over here it's been going on for a couple of years or more, but ramped up over the last 12 months.
It's now because us failing is big news, whereas for that lot in B9, the truck stoppers in stripes or Wolves, it's a so f¤¤king what type story.
The kicking has intensified as we've come closer and closer to the drop. It's intensifies because by sticking the boot in they're more likely to get supporters of any of the other 3 phoning in to take the piss, or reading on line to soak it all up and leave some pithy(read mostly puerile) comments, whilst getting irate Villa fans phoning in trying to hit back and reading on line to try and follow what the f##k is going on.
This board has what, about 4-500 live users and an active community of about 150? I don't know about the other boards other than TBAR has about 0,5 on average (big wave to Troy). A vanishingly small proportion of those who attend week in and week out let alone the Villa fanbase at large. For those who aren't part of the discussion board communities mainstream media I would guess is still their primary source of info, so anything that provokes or entices people to ring in or click on line, or even strangely enough actually buy hard copy helps justify their existence.
Just think, our current situation is helping keep twats like Franks and Evans in a job!
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He's on about this (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-top-half-contenders-10737050) spot the surname of the writer.
Well done to him. I always fancied a job as a football journalist.
Just work experience at the moment as he's halfway through his degree, but it's all good for the portfolio.
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Is Peter Grant working in football at the moment?
Its hardly the best advert for him that he thinks fans of any team rooted to the bottom and nearly relegated by Xmas should just accept that.
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Been mentioned elsewhere, but our mate Gregg has been at it again. He obviously feels that two days before a big FA Cup game is just the right time to dig up Peter Grant from Villa's very own Room 101 and give him the platform to have a go at our fans. I'm sorry, but there is no way they would run an article with someone calling Blues, Albion, Wolves or Walsall fans 'delusional', yet they can't help themselves when it comes to us.
As for the article itself, well there is some first class revisionism from Grant in there. He said that they had to sell senior players (which senior players are those then?) and that the wage bill was cut. Remind me who signed N'Zogbia, Given and Hutton on big and lengthy deals again? Of course, our Gregg didn't rectify any of this drivel, just happy yo go along with it and have another dig.
Gregg Evans is a bitter bitter, but in the Mail's slight defence on this one, it was Grant's interview with WM where he said Villa fans are 'delusional'.
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More shit today, Warnock talking about life in the bomb squad.
Utterly irrelevant for a "newspaper" and blatant clik-bait.
I look forward to articles on some shit that happened at Small Heath and Sandwell in the past.
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Been mentioned elsewhere, but our mate Gregg has been at it again. He obviously feels that two days before a big FA Cup game is just the right time to dig up Peter Grant from Villa's very own Room 101 and give him the platform to have a go at our fans. I'm sorry, but there is no way they would run an article with someone calling Blues, Albion, Wolves or Walsall fans 'delusional', yet they can't help themselves when it comes to us.
As for the article itself, well there is some first class revisionism from Grant in there. He said that they had to sell senior players (which senior players are those then?) and that the wage bill was cut. Remind me who signed N'Zogbia, Given and Hutton on big and lengthy deals again? Of course, our Gregg didn't rectify any of this drivel, just happy yo go along with it and have another dig.
Gregg Evans is a bitter bitter, but in the Mail's slight defence on this one, it was Grant's interview with WM where he said Villa fans are 'delusional'.
It make you wonder why WM were interviewing Grant then, even it if doesn't come as a total surprise.
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More shit today, Warnock talking about life in the bomb squad.
Utterly irrelevant for a "newspaper" and blatant clik-bait.
I look forward to articles on some shit that happened at Small Heath and Sandwell in the past.
Warnock played well for Derby against Yanited last night.
Just sayin', like.
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More shit today, Warnock talking about life in the bomb squad.
Utterly irrelevant for a "newspaper" and blatant clik-bait.
I look forward to articles on some shit that happened at Small Heath and Sandwell in the past.
Warnock played well for Derby against Yanited last night.
Just sayin', like.
Can we be sure it's the same Warnock, because the one we had played as if he'd never seen a football before.
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Just shows what you can get out of a player if he has a manager/coach who believes in him and gives him faith in his own ability. Oh and also has fans who do not get on his back as soon as he makes a mistake.
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Just shows what you can get out of a player if he has a manager/coach who believes in him and gives him faith in his own ability. Oh and also has fans who do not get on his back as soon as he makes a mistake.
I k now it's been said before but it also highlights the difference between our current league and the one we'll soon be in.
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Just shows what you can get out of a player if he has a manager/coach who believes in him and gives him faith in his own ability. Oh and also has fans who do not get on his back as soon as he makes a mistake.
I k now it's been said before but it also highlights the difference between our current league and the one we'll soon be in.
Warnock needed to be taken out of the firing line long before he was - I'm glad he's playing well now though.
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Stick to Blackburn Paul
http:///sport/football/football-news/paul-lambert-happy-aston-villa-10815903
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Stick to Blackburn Paul
http:///sport/football/football-news/paul-lambert-happy-aston-villa-10815903
I'm not surprised that he's happy that Villa sacked him, with the pay off they gave him.
Ok so he didnt have the best of times there, shame he didnt have the guts to resign.
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He's also a shit manager and couldn't handle the expectations of, you know, scoring a goal every now and again and winning a game of football once a month or so. I pity Blackburn and the shit they're going to watch under him.
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0-0-0-1-0-1. Can anyone guess what it is yet?
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The gormless idiot won't shut up about us, will he? I can't think of a Villa manager I despise more than Lambert, not even O'Leary.
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What never ceases to amaze me is the huge lack of recognition that he brought in some complete and utter shit. Yes, the wage budget was lowered but why buy 8 crap players and pay them badly when you might consider buying a couple of better players and paying them at a better rate? He purchased some proper guff did Lambert and needs to take some responsibility for our position as this is a collective thing.
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Aston Villa are the biggest gig a joker like Lambert will ever get, no one asks him questions about the tractor derby because no one gives a shit. He will continue to bring up our name for years to come. He should have gone in the January of his first season, he was absolutely awful in his job.
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Watching the FA Cup draw on BBC last night, the best sentence I heard was, "Paul Lambert's Blackburn".
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0-0-0-1-0-1. Can anyone guess what it is yet?
Yes it's 5 but I don't understand the relevance?
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It's actually
0-0-0-0-1-0-1-0
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It's hard to keep track of all the 0's.
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It's actually
0-0-0-0-1-0-1-0
Is it "we go again" in binary code?
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It's actually
0-0-0-0-1-0-1-0
Is it "we go again" in binary code?
Is it Lambert's scores in eight consecutive IQ tests?
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I want to play. Is it how much money he reckons he spent in each transfer window here?
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0-0-0-1-0-1. Can anyone guess what it is yet?
Yes it's 5 but I don't understand the relevance?
Then you should get on up, when you're down and then take a good look around.
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0-0-0-1-0-1. Can anyone guess what it is yet?
Yes it's 5 but I don't understand the relevance?
Then you should get on up, when you're down and then take a good look around.
PWS reckons it's not right but it's ok, I'll keep moving on anyway.
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5ive will make you get down.
Just like us
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0-0-0-1-0-1. Can anyone guess what it is yet?
5.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-analysis-ayew-serious-10828460
Was it 2-1 or 2-0? Somebody better let the mail know.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bookies-tip-aston-villa-win-10829458
yay good news
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-analysis-ayew-serious-10828460
Was it 2-1 or 2-0? Somebody better let the mail know.
They're also reporting that Albion came from behind to beat Swansea last night. Looks like Villa aren't the only shambolic organisation in the area.
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Mail article with no story, just guessing and speculation.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-considering-back-up-10834088
Doesn't mention anything about back up plans in the article.
Darren Lewis, another of the Mirror's 'top' writers along with 'no foundation for stories' Nursey.
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Just seen letter in todays mail presumably a nose slagging villa fans off for forcing our managers out because of our expectations.wtf is he on about that is the difference between our clubs mate we expect and demand to at least challenge the top half of prem not what we have had to endure for 5 shit years you c**t. I never see letters about the good old proper brummies deserting like rats when they go down!! Spose next year they will get 29 k again just like they always have!!!! Lol
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Even those knuckledraggers who've mastered the art of walking upright have trouble when it comes to understanding why most Villa fans didn't want TSM.
"Da Viyull didunt give im a chance cuz he wuz Blooz."
No, you inbred cretin, we didn't want him because he was shit. The fact that he came from your shit club only compounded matters. If, in some parallel universe, we'd taken Pep Guardiola off Small Heath, we'd have been delighted, and especially so since we took him off our scuzzy neighbours.
Pep = good.
McLeish = shit.
We got McLeish. He is shit. We took Small Heath's shit. We didn't like it. Understand now, you fucking knuckledragging ape?
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Spot on Jimbo. If Garde walked out and we went after Rowett, I doubt there'd be anything like the same reaction.
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Even those knuckledraggers who've mastered the art of walking upright have trouble when it comes to understanding why most Villa fans didn't want TSM.
"Da Viyull didunt give im a chance cuz he wuz Blooz."
No, you inbred cretin, we didn't want him because he was shit. The fact that he came from your shit club only compounded matters. If, in some parallel universe, we'd taken Pep Guardiola off Small Heath, we'd have been delighted, and especially so since we took him off our scuzzy neighbours.
Pep = good.
McLeish = shit.
We got McLeish. He is shit. We took Small Heath's shit. We didn't like it. Understand now, you fucking knuckledragging ape?
The noses I knew just laughed their arses off at us for being daft enough to take him!
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On another note - have the Mail dispensed with their offices, or their desks/workstations at least? Everytime I see a video of Mat Kendrick giving us his take on things, he is in a Datsun Cherry in some lonely field off a country lane. Very bizarre.
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perhaps he's keeping a lookout in those rural dogging hotspots?
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On another note - have the Mail dispensed with their offices, or their desks/workstations at least? Everytime I see a video of Mat Kendrick giving us his take on things, he is in a Datsun Cherry in some lonely field off a country lane. Very bizarre.
Haha, I wonder if he has a personal assistant called Lynn.
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Not mail related but Tiny Penis has thoroughly adopted the Albion inferiority complex he has towards us. Asked about another 0 shots on target today his reply?
Yeah well the Villa only had 3.
His match had not long finished, what did he do? Go straight in to the dressing room to check out the stats for the Villa game? What a sad, boring, 1980's, chav prick.
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Not mail related but Tiny Penis has thoroughly adopted the Albion inferiority complex he has towards us. Asked about another 0 shots on target today his reply?
Yeah well the Villa only had 3.
His match had not long finished, what did he do? Go straight in to the dressing room to check out the stats for the Villa game? What a sad, boring, 1980's, chav prick.
Did he really say that?
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Apparently so, haven't seen it myself yet.
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"You look at other games and I think Villa have won 2-0 with three shots on target"
Yep he did, it's official, he's a fully fledged obsessive too now. He'd be perfect at Blues. Horrible football, obsessed with Villa, dresses like prat, can't count, makes shit up.
What a sad fuck the man is.
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From the Mail
West Bromwich Albion boss Tony Pulis said he fully understood the travelling fans' frustrations after another uninspiring performance.
Albion were booed off the pitch against Swansea midweek - despite scoring an injury time equaliser.
But there was no late reprieve this time and Pulis admitted the fans, who even ironically sang about having a shot at goal, had every right to be angry.
Asked whether he understood their frustration, Pulis said: "Today I do, yeah.
"We've played at Chelsea scored two goals and played really well there. At Liverpool we scored two goals and did really well.
"Today we were...."
Albion did not once trouble Newcastle goalkeeper Rob Elliot.
And although he acknowledged his team's poor performance, Pulis suggested his players were sometimes their own worst enemies in the final third.
"The stats about not having shots on goal," he said.
"We had five opportunities to make the goalkeeper work and we've not done it which is disappointing.
You look at other games and I think Villa have won 2-0 with three shots on target.
"If we get the opportunities we've got to make the goalkeeper make a save and we've not done that today."
Pulis attributed the lack of creativity to is players being "human beings".
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I reckon the bitters games are so boring he flicks through bbc sport during the game to see how everyone else is getting on.
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3 of their last 4 league games they've failed to have a shot on target. I've said before, I would genuinely rather go down with Garde in charge than stay up with that baseball cap wearing anti-football twat nozzle in charge of Aston Villa.
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It really is disturbing that the first thing he's doing after his match has finished is check our score and stats, and to then bring it up compounds the embarrassment.
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"You look at other games and I think Villa have won 2-0 with three shots on target"
Yep he did, it's official, he's a fully fledged obsessive too now. He'd be perfect at Blues. Horrible football, obsessed with Villa, dresses like prat, can't count, makes shit up.
What a sad fuck the man is.
It must be desperately sad and frustrating to be a fan of either Albion or Small Heath as they both live and breath Aston Villa.
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"You look at other games and I think Villa have won 2-0 with three shots on target"
Yep he did, it's official, he's a fully fledged obsessive too now. He'd be perfect at Blues. Horrible football, obsessed with Villa, dresses like prat, can't count, makes shit up.
What a sad fuck the man is.
It must be desperately sad and frustrating to be a fan of either Albion or Small Heath as they both live and breath Aston Villa.
It's sad as no matter how much they try, they can never ever ever ever think about anything else. All consuming.
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Moxley tells us like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-aston-villa-chief-steve-7325271?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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He says the transfer committee refused to buy Begovic and Adebayor. I think it was more a case of them both turning us down after we'd tried to sign them.
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He says the transfer committee refused to buy Begovic and Adebayor. I think it was more a case of them both turning us down after we'd tried to sign them.
I remember Sherwood saying that he tried to talk Begovic into coming but he said he fancied a different challenge. Like Gabby said yesterday, journalists do talk shit.
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It really is disturbing that the first thing he's doing after his match has finished is check our score and stats, and to then bring it up compounds the embarrassment.
He's probably got Franksy on speed dial.
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Moxley tells us like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-aston-villa-chief-steve-7325271?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Disagree with a lot of that.
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Moxley tells us like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-aston-villa-chief-steve-7325271?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Disagree with a lot of that.
The bit about Atew's sending off showing that Gardedoesn't have the respect of the dressing room is just desperate. It's as if Rooney or Becham never did anything daft under Ferguson. Instinctive rushes of blood to the head happen to players and hopefully they learn form it. It doesn't say anything about their relationship with the manager.
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Moxley tells us like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-aston-villa-chief-steve-7325271?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Disagree with a lot of that.
Yeah it is filled with utter bollocks. He advocates getting rid of Remi when anyone with half a brain can see he is one of the few plus points about Villa at the moment.
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Moxley tells us like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-aston-villa-chief-steve-7325271?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Disagree with a lot of that.
The bit about Atew's sending off showing that Gardedoesn't have the respect of the dressing room is just desperate. It's as if Rooney or Becham never did anything daft under Ferguson. Instinctive rushes of blood to the head happen to players and hopefully they learn form it. It doesn't say anything about their relationship with the manager.
Terrible article from Moxey. Show Garde the door. For who or what.
Right about decison making but not exactly insightful
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Apparently so, haven't seen it myself yet.
He said it on his post match interview on WM.
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It's taken me two attempts to read it in full, the first time I gave up when Garde cropped up cos I thought it was gonna be uninsightful, mildly jingoistic bollocks.
Should've left it there.
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Moxley tells us like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-aston-villa-chief-steve-7325271?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Does he?
Crumbling institution? There's nothing crumbling. We have an A grade ground, high spec training facilities and a good fan base. It's the team and board that have been mismanaged.
Clear out Remi Garde? So we are going to sack another manager, after not backing him. Who will walk in to the hot seat then?
Garde has not come up with a coherent plan? We've gone from 9 defeats in a row to almost a pt per game. It's not great but you have to be in denial to not see that we were a completely dysfunctional team. No spirit, no bond, no care, no idea.
He carries no clout in the dressing room as shown by Ayew elbowing someone? He's a youngster, he will learn. Did Ferguson carry no clout when Roy Keane or Wayne Rooney were getting sent off? He's talking bollocks.
The recruitment team didn't want Begovic or Adebayor? Adebayor didn't turn up to a medical and Begovic wanted to sit on the bench at Chelsea for a wedge. More bollocks.
Sherwood kept schtum on the signings and hoped for the best? No he didn't, he talked them up and talked up his scouting network and the value of European players over brits. He took the praise for the signings we were making. Even more bollocks.
It's a terrible article.
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I don't know which is worse, that he wrote such a piece of shite or that someone paid him to write it.
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I don't know which is worse, that he wrote such a piece of shite or that someone paid him to write it.
That some people will swallow every last syllable, comma and full stop without stopping to think about what's really happened / happening.
You don't have to think everything in the garden is rosy to reject that as an absolute waste of electrons.
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The Mail website now doesn't let you read articles if you have an ad-blocker.
It's no real loss.
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It's a massively shit and inaccurate article. The only bits I agree with is that we haven't spent Lerner's money well, but that's as much to Lerner as those he trusted. And the whole fucking myth about Sherwood and the summer transfers is incredible that it still exists. Especially given quotes from him on how he supported the players we acquired. Moxley has opted for the easy path to journalism. Just fill column inches without making any real effort to identify fact from fiction. It's very poor.
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The Mail website now doesn't let you read articles if you have an ad-blocker.
It's no real loss.
Just turn off Javascript for this site ;)
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It's a massively shit and inaccurate article. The only bits I agree with is that we haven't spent Lerner's money well, but that's as much to Lerner as those he trusted. And the whole fucking myth about Sherwood and the summer transfers is incredible that it still exists. Especially given quotes from him on how he supported the players we acquired. Moxley has opted for the easy path to journalism. Just fill column inches without making any real effort to identify fact from fiction. It's very poor.
It is, but it has become the narrative in the media. Sherwood, Lambert, McLeish all hard done by a club on a major cost cutting exercise and a delusional group of fans. Even elements of the local media are going with it as well.
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When did Moxley join the Mirror?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/56000-amount-fans-aston-villa-10878541
What another totally inane article 'that's on total spend though.' Dear God.
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On twitter last night Messrs Kendrick and Evans in another boring article on ex Villa managers, got themselves mixed up with Graham Taylor and Turner...If It was me,I would take pride in getting my facts right before publication. Just lazy journalism again from The Mail.
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I think it just goes to show how few decent football journalists we have in this country at the moment or is it a case that their bosses just force them into providing column inches regardless of whether it is true or not. I.e. anything to sell the newspaper.
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When I was growing up reading the Birmingham Mail, although you had a fair idea, you wouldn't know who the likes of Hickman, Bishop and Willars actually supported as their articles were always balanced and fair. Compare it today with the tabloid sensationalism shown towards us especially, where their dislike of the Villa shines through clearly in their articles.
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How pathetic is this article?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-birmingham-city-players-10891085
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They do remember they were beaten by our shambles don't they? Or does it still not count because were not in the same league?
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It really is mind boggling that at the time the biggest club in the midlands is clearly at crisis point they local media are like vultures happily picking over the carcass and just laughing at us. I mean, seriously? Isn't there one proprietor, editor, radio controller out there who rather than act like a one-eyed spurned lover can see there is a bigger story?
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They do remember they were beaten by our shambles don't they? Or does it still not count because were not in the same league?
It was a moral victory for them because they had a couple of half chances before we scored.
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I guess the Southampton game and the Cup final were a figment of my imagination then Tim?
Tim Sherwood on Liverpool rout: My Aston Villa team could never be accused of lacking commitment
23:04, 14 Feb 2016
Updated 23:10, 14 Feb 2016
By Mat Kendrick
Sacked boss Tim Sherwood insists his Aston Villa team could never be accused of lacking commitment.
Villa remain rooted to the foot of the Premier League table and today's 6-0 drubbing at home to Liverpool was regarded by many as the final nail in the coffin.
There were question marks over the attitude of Remi Garde's players and Joleon Lescott took to Twitter to apologise for a lack of commitment from himself and the team.
Sherwood, who took over at Villa a year ago today, but was dismissed with the club in the relegation zone in late October, was a pundit on Match of the Day 2 tonight.
He said: "All I can tell the Villa fans is that in the 10 games I was there I never labelled that at the team - commitment.
"They always showed good commitment - that wasn't a problem. They showed commitment all of the time. Today was very disappointing for Aston Villa fans.
"There's 36,000 turned up there today. They're bottom of the league. They're a fantastically supported club and it's not looking good."
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Can these pricks stop interviewing Paul Lambert every couple of days for his inane opinions, hasn't he got something better to do? Like not relegating Blackburn and haven't the mail got anyone else on speed dial?
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I guess the Southampton game and the Cup final were a figment of my imagination then Tim?
Tim Sherwood on Liverpool rout: My Aston Villa team could never be accused of lacking commitment
23:04, 14 Feb 2016
Updated 23:10, 14 Feb 2016
By Mat Kendrick
Sacked boss Tim Sherwood insists his Aston Villa team could never be accused of lacking commitment.
Villa remain rooted to the foot of the Premier League table and today's 6-0 drubbing at home to Liverpool was regarded by many as the final nail in the coffin.
There were question marks over the attitude of Remi Garde's players and Joleon Lescott took to Twitter to apologise for a lack of commitment from himself and the team.
Sherwood, who took over at Villa a year ago today, but was dismissed with the club in the relegation zone in late October, was a pundit on Match of the Day 2 tonight.
He said: "All I can tell the Villa fans is that in the 10 games I was there I never labelled that at the team - commitment.
"They always showed good commitment - that wasn't a problem. They showed commitment all of the time. Today was very disappointing for Aston Villa fans.
"There's 36,000 turned up there today. They're bottom of the league. They're a fantastically supported club and it's not looking good."
What about the meek surrender at home to a poor Manchester United side earlier in the season?
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Can these pricks stop interviewing Paul Lambert every couple of days for his inane opinions, hasn't he got something better to do? Like not relegating Blackburn and haven't the mail got anyone else on speed dial?
WTF is his point anyway oh I offered to quit but I didn't so stayed on half assessed with no backroom staff until the club had to sack me , well done Paul what a fucking hero
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About time too.
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About time too.
They've been doing stuff like that for months.
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About time too.
Can't see my comment - it was only 2 words - the second was off.
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About time too.
They've been doing stuff like that for months.
So they have gone from ridiculing us to fighting on our behalf..how very noble of them.
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The ripped badge.
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I've not seen a ripped 'Lerner badge' before, it was always the circular EC winners one.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
You mean things like this.....
" West Brom were the best supported Premier League club last season based on the population of their local town compared to the average attendance.
If all of the 25,801 people that come through the turnstiles every match were from West Bromwich, a third of the town would be empty.
The town's population of 75,405 makes West Brom the best supported team per capita...."
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Not to mention things like "Albion fans are well-known for wearing masks and wigs".
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
You mean things like this.....
" West Brom were the best supported Premier League club last season based on the population of their local town compared to the average attendance.
If all of the 25,801 people that come through the turnstiles every match were from West Bromwich, a third of the town would be empty.
The town's population of 75,405 makes West Brom the best supported team per capita...."
I call bullshit, we're called ASTON villa and if all of the 35000+ fans we get most games were from Aston there's be no one left in the area and we'd have 8000+ people who happened to be passing through at the time and got dragged inside.
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Not to mention things like "Albion fans are well-known for wearing masks and wigs".
If I supported that lot i'd want to hide my identity as well.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
For some strange reason I don't recall them doing a similar article on us after the QF.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
You mean things like this.....
" West Brom were the best supported Premier League club last season based on the population of their local town compared to the average attendance.
If all of the 25,801 people that come through the turnstiles every match were from West Bromwich, a third of the town would be empty.
The town's population of 75,405 makes West Brom the best supported team per capita...."
Christ how many conditions do you have to put in to make the number seem good?
"Kidderminster harriers are the best supported club based on number of patrons of the Comberton road chippy spread out over ten years within the 10-20k income bracket (excluding employment in agriculture)."
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Not to mention things like "Albion fans are well-known for wearing masks and wigs".
The Mail seems to think that Albion fans have 'class' for wearing Ginger Wigs in support of Paul McShane and Viking outfits for Thomas Gaardsoe. Oh, they also took a Spanish flag to a game for Pepe Mel. If it wasn't on the mail website, i'd have thought the whole article was a piss take.
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NewsThump-esque.
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That's what happens when you spend twenty years telling the world how lovely you are.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
You mean things like this.....
" West Brom were the best supported Premier League club last season based on the population of their local town compared to the average attendance.
If all of the 25,801 people that come through the turnstiles every match were from West Bromwich, a third of the town would be empty.
The town's population of 75,405 makes West Brom the best supported team per capita...."
I call bullshit, we're called ASTON villa and if all of the 35000+ fans we get most games were from Aston there's be no one left in the area and we'd have 8000+ people who happened to be passing through at the time and got dragged inside.
This really tickled me.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
You mean things like this.....
" West Brom were the best supported Premier League club last season based on the population of their local town compared to the average attendance.
If all of the 25,801 people that come through the turnstiles every match were from West Bromwich, a third of the town would be empty.
The town's population of 75,405 makes West Brom the best supported team per capita...."
I call bullshit, we're called ASTON villa and if all of the 35000+ fans we get most games were from Aston there's be no one left in the area and we'd have 8000+ people who happened to be passing through at the time and got dragged inside.
This really tickled me.
In terms of average attendance as a proportion of the population of a geographic area contained in your clubs name, Port Vale need only one person to turn up to be the best supported of 92 clubs in English League football.
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Just been in a newsagents and noticed that the Mail have dedicated their entire front page to the (non) story about a Villa fan throwing a lighter onto the pitch after the Liverpool game. The headline also manages to get "Villa's 6-0 Drubbing" in.
They're taking the piss now.
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Just been in a newsagents and noticed that the Mail have dedicated their entire front page to the (non) story about a Villa fan throwing a lighter onto the pitch after the Liverpool game. The headline also manages to get "Villa's 6-0 Drubbing" in.
They're taking the piss now.
And we're letting them, as we always have.
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I'm sure they'll get round to doing a piece on what class fans we have. Have we ever worn Ginger wigs?
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Not to mention things like "Albion fans are well-known for wearing masks and wigs".
Another thing I've noticed recently as well, is that they have started spouting a myth about how good the atmosphere is at the Hawthorns. One Albion fan I was speaking to recently (who doesn't go very often if at all) took his Man City 'supporting' son (i.e. he likes to be them on FIFA) to our cup game against them recently and was saying what a poor atmosphere it was at Villa Park. He then went on to say how good atmosphere it was at the Hawthorns and was one of the best in the country. I've heard that a few times now and that Albion supporter on Talksport (Nigel Pearson?) even said it on air. Where on earth have they got that from?
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Today's headline
"Ex Aston Villa player URINATES in pint glass at Cheltenham festival."
This is regarding Samir Carruthers of MK Dons. There's no doubt they have an anti Villa agenda.
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Today's headline
"Ex Aston Villa player URINATES in pint glass at Cheltenham festival."
This is regarding Samir Carruthers of MK Dons. There's no doubt they have an anti Villa agenda.
When did he leave? I'd forgotten all about him.
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Paul Lambert told us he had a terrible attitude.
So he got something right.
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I can't imagine any other local paper doing this to their biggest club, and any other club letting them.
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They've always been sore since Lerner and Co. decided not to deal with the press. The club st out it's stall and it just gave these idiots carte blache to write whatever balls they wanted to.
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Surprised they didnt pick up on the fact that one of the other players involved in this was "ex Villa" now Northampton Towns James Collins (not the Welsh ginger one), he sounds like a lovely bloke, he was in the car with Barry Bannan when he crashed it on M1 whilst pissed up, they both did a runner from the scene.
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Did they come up with the bollocks around selling the naming rights to the ground?
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Surprised they didnt pick up on the fact that one of the other players involved in this was "ex Villa" now Northampton Towns James Collins (not the Welsh ginger one), he sounds like a lovely bloke, he was in the car with Barry Bannan when he crashed it on M1 whilst pissed up, they both did a runner from the scene.
They did.
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Today's headline
"Ex Aston Villa player URINATES in pint glass at Cheltenham festival."
This is regarding Samir Carruthers of MK Dons. There's no doubt they have an anti Villa agenda.
They're taking the piss.
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Today's headline
"Ex Aston Villa player URINATES in pint glass at Cheltenham festival."
This is regarding Samir Carruthers of MK Dons. There's no doubt they have an anti Villa agenda.
"Ex Villa player finally gets a pot to piss in"
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I have been fortunate to live in Cities and Towns in many and far flung parts of this World but is shames me to say ( as a Brummie) that the Birmingham Mail is one of the worst local Newspapers I have ever read, by a country mile. Piss poor writing ,factual fuck ups and a truly myopic Journalism...... but then, it is part of the ' Mirror' group , nuff said!.....Godzvilla!
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Today's headline
"Ex Aston Villa player URINATES in pint glass at Cheltenham festival."
Non-story, we've all done this haven't we?? I'm just glad that Steve Harrison wasn't invited to Cheltenham
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Used to buy the mail when I came up for the games but the anti villa shite in there is beyond belief.
There's no crap about the villa in the Chelmsford chronicle
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Surprised they didnt pick up on the fact that one of the other players involved in this was "ex Villa" now Northampton Towns James Collins (not the Welsh ginger one), he sounds like a lovely bloke, he was in the car with Barry Bannan when he crashed it on M1 whilst pissed up, they both did a runner from the scene.
They did.
Probably help if I read said article next time.
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They've always been sore since Lerner and Co. decided not to deal with the press. The club st out it's stall and it just gave these idiots carte blache to write whatever balls they wanted to.
Maybe. Or maybe some of their writers are fans of our rivals and are allowed to write any anti Villa shite they like. Remember Baggie Bill?
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Today's headline
"Ex Aston Villa player URINATES in pint glass at Cheltenham festival."
Non-story, we've all done this haven't we?? I'm just glad that Steve Harrison wasn't invited to Cheltenham
Who did you fling your glass of home-made apple juice over?
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Does this not show our club is fucked from the ground up, if our failed former youngsters are behaving this way ?
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Today's headline
"Ex Aston Villa player URINATES in pint glass at Cheltenham festival."
it was Tony morley in disguise!
Non-story, we've all done this haven't we?? I'm just glad that Steve Harrison wasn't invited to Cheltenham
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Sorry. Quote fail there
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So it's not their own personal responsibility or their current employers responsibility or even their parents failings or their agents failings to surround them with people who are good for them. It's ours because these talentless berks once tried and failed to make it at our club.
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Does this not show our club is fucked from the ground up, if our failed former youngsters are behaving this way ?
No.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
You mean things like this.....
" West Brom were the best supported Premier League club last season based on the population of their local town compared to the average attendance.
If all of the 25,801 people that come through the turnstiles every match were from West Bromwich, a third of the town would be empty.
The town's population of 75,405 makes West Brom the best supported team per capita...."
I call bullshit, we're called ASTON villa and if all of the 35000+ fans we get most games were from Aston there's be no one left in the area and we'd have 8000+ people who happened to be passing through at the time and got dragged inside.
What an excellent point.
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The Mail's 'How Real Albion Fans behave' article has to be read to be believed.
You mean things like this.....
" West Brom were the best supported Premier League club last season based on the population of their local town compared to the average attendance.
If all of the 25,801 people that come through the turnstiles every match were from West Bromwich, a third of the town would be empty.
The town's population of 75,405 makes West Brom the best supported team per capita...."
I call bullshit, we're called ASTON villa and if all of the 35000+ fans we get most games were from Aston there's be no one left in the area and we'd have 8000+ people who happened to be passing through at the time and got dragged inside.
What an excellent point.
That Birmingham City lot are in trouble then... ;-)
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Part of me feels sad when newspapers fold, but there's also a recognition that values change over the years and the increased effects of a more digitalised society come into play.
What? Newspapers fold do they?
Whatever next.
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Still on the front page right now:
(http://i.imgur.com/4dt1tgu.png)
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Try pressing F5. lol.
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Chelsea's nickname isn't Swans - they're an art-rock band.
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Interesting piece in the Sunderland Echo involving us....
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/latest-safc-news/safc-match-analysis/chris-young-sunderland-newcastle-and-villa-are-facing-relegation-for-a-reason-1-7836692
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Meanwhile back in the Evening Mail we get:
. Rowett targets 8 wins in a row and promotion glory
. Pullis update on the quality of Villa's latest training session
. Pies in 5, 5 pictures summing up the state of pies across the Midlands this season
. Exclusive, Villa's training kit to be manufactured by slaves in Qatar who are paid with rice and have had their passports taken off them by Lerner
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Interesting piece in the Sunderland Echo involving us....
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/latest-safc-news/safc-match-analysis/chris-young-sunderland-newcastle-and-villa-are-facing-relegation-for-a-reason-1-7836692
Wow. A local paper that focusses on facts and analysis rather than on vague opinions based on subjective assertions ... whatever next.
Quite a good little article, that, from the Blunderland Echo.
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Let's be objective.
For 20 plus years we have been the benchmark !
We've had scribblers, trainees and YTS writers from the Mail, taking US as the benchmark and scrawling stuff about other West Midlands teams as a comparison to how far out of the blue we were.
G Houlier had luncheon and dinner dates with local and national journos, as SAF did at Man U.
Off-the-record-buttering-up stuff.
In our award winning suites.
McLeish /Lambert/Sherwood/Remi...never attempted that...who woulld come ?? :D
Unless Gullag or Lerner were present, who'd bother ?
And that was the start of the demise I feel.
We were no longer a big exspanive club, a generous host to all and sundry.
After Houlier we became penny pinchers.
We lost the trough-snouters in the ink media gradually.
Now a new generation of scribes -- after Nursey waxed lyrical about the Houlier feats --don't get that attention.
We are on a level with the boggies and Walsall in terms of buttering up the journos.
We were years ahead in spin, generorsity and we culled it for years.
WE were the bench mark that other West Midlands clubs only dreamt about.
NOW -- the boot comes on.
Did we ever deserve our exalted status in the local media?
Perhaps not, but we got it.
NOW - the boot comes on.
We are in decline. No more luncheons nor dinners.
Tittle-tattle from players make up the substance of stories about us.
Trawling Twitter and Facebook for gossip
New Media Rules.
WE had our spot in the Sun, we had our position as the BEST Midlands club.
But that went, when we stopped feeding journos.
Arsenal / Man Utd never stopped, the off-the-record dinners for top journos.
See a boot go into them ?
>:(
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Let's be objective.
For 20 plus years we have been the benchmark !
We've had scribblers, trainees and YTS writers from the Mail, taking US as the benchmark and scrawling stuff about other West Midlands teams as a comparison to how far out of the blue we were.
G Houlier had luncheon and dinner dates with local and national journos, as SAF did at Man U.
Off-the-record-buttering-up stuff.
In our award winning suites.
McLeish /Lambert/Sherwood/Remi...never attempted that...who woulld come ?? :D
Unless Gullag or Lerner were present, who'd bother ?
And that was the start of the demise I feel.
We were no longer a big exspanive club, a generous host to all and sundry.
After Houlier we became penny pinchers.
We lost the trough-snouters in the ink media gradually.
Now a new generation of scribes -- after Nursey waxed lyrical about the Houlier feats --don't get that attention.
We are on a level with the boggies and Walsall in terms of buttering up the journos.
We were years ahead in spin, generorsity and we culled it for years.
WE were the bench mark that other West Midlands clubs only dreamt about.
NOW -- the boot comes on.
Did we ever deserve our exalted status in the local media?
Perhaps not, but we got it.
NOW - the boot comes on.
We are in decline. No more luncheons nor dinners.
Tittle-tattle from players make up the substance of stories about us.
Trawling Twitter and Facebook for gossip
New Media Rules.
WE had our spot in the Sun, we had our position as the BEST Midlands club.
But that went, when we stopped feeding journos.
Arsenal / Man Utd never stopped, the off-the-record dinners for top journos.
See a boot go into them ?
>:(
I've read some nonsense over the years but...
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This is Villa
Aston Villa
No-one likes us
We don't care
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Have a guess who is talking about us in his post match press conference again....
inRead invented by Teads
That accusation could not be labelled against Albion at the Etihad Stadium where they surged forward with a regularity that will encourage fans.
And Pulis admitted reinforcements were needed to give Albion more of a cutting edge.
He said: ""You have to take the criticism and you have to accept it.
"There’s been reasons for that and hopefully reasons we can address and come back stronger next year with.
"We’ve done that in a season that’s been so unpredictable.
"When you look at the Villas, Newcastles, Sunderlands down there, how big those clubs are.
"For us to be on 40 points and mid-table, the players have done fantastic."
James McClean's injury time volley was inches away from earning Albion a fourth 2-2 draw at the home of a top side.
"We're just disappointed today," Pulis added.
"We’ve come here and had good results away at the bigger clubs and just disappointed for the players as much as anyone else."
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Have a guess who is talking about us in his post match press conference again....
inRead invented by Teads
That accusation could not be labelled against Albion at the Etihad Stadium where they surged forward with a regularity that will encourage fans.
And Pulis admitted reinforcements were needed to give Albion more of a cutting edge.
He said: ""You have to take the criticism and you have to accept it.
"There’s been reasons for that and hopefully reasons we can address and come back stronger next year with.
"We’ve done that in a season that’s been so unpredictable.
"When you look at the Villas, Newcastles, Sunderlands down there, how big those clubs are.
"For us to be on 40 points and mid-table, the players have done fantastic."
James McClean's injury time volley was inches away from earning Albion a fourth 2-2 draw at the home of a top side.
"We're just disappointed today," Pulis added.
"We’ve come here and had good results away at the bigger clubs and just disappointed for the players as much as anyone else."
To be fair to him there is nothing wrong with his summation today.
He is talking up his own achievement, asking for more money for players against the backdrop of his team's good performance. He is siting this against the context of bigger club's failures.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-asks-former-11163881?
Now fair play to Marilyn for calling the repellant twat out - I just listened to it and she got under his skin. And fair play to the Mail for twisting into a 'Villa fan Wants Savage to Manage Villa' nonsense.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-asks-former-11163881?
Now fair play to Marilyn for calling the repellant twat out - I just listened to it and she got under his skin. And fair play to the Mail for twisting into a 'Villa fan Wants Savage to Manage Villa' nonsense.
Listened to a snippet of 606 after the game and they had some absolute twat of a Blues fan on who spent most of his call talking about - you've guessed it - Villa. Ticked all the boxes of the usual myths spouted by noses before a brief mention at the end of the Blues result. Called all the way from Australia as well.
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You have to laugh.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/pele-exclusive-i-cant-remember-11163748
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Just read that, comical.
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Fuck me, what a shitrag that paper is.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-asks-former-11163881?
Now fair play to Marilyn for calling the repellant twat out - I just listened to it and she got under his skin. And fair play to the Mail for twisting into a 'Villa fan Wants Savage to Manage Villa' nonsense.
Listened to a snippet of 606 after the game and they had some absolute twat of a Blues fan on who spent most of his call talking about - you've guessed it - Villa. Ticked all the boxes of the usual myths spouted by noses before a brief mention at the end of the Blues result. Called all the way from Australia as well.
I can imagine.
'All Blues fans live within a few miles of the ground'
'Where are you calling from?'
'Australia'
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You have to laugh.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/pele-exclusive-i-cant-remember-11163748
Why would Pele remember the game? He played over a thousand competitive games if I remember correctly and states in the article that he'd play friendlies in England and other countries as often as three time a year per country.
And he'd be as likely to be bothered by our impending relegation about as much as I would if the same fate were to befall Santos.
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You have to laugh.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/pele-exclusive-i-cant-remember-11163748
Why would Pele remember the game? He played over a thousand competitive games if I remember correctly and states in the article that he'd play friendlies in England and other countries as often as three time a year per country.
And he'd be as likely to be bothered by our impending relegation about as much as I would if the same fate were to befall Santos.
The headline says Pele can't remember the game and the first quote from him is "I remember a little about the game".
Shit stirring tossers. No wonder no one buys that rag anymore.
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I'm not going to even bother clicking on the link. It's pathetic really.
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
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Trolls.
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
The club have made it quite clear that they couldn't care less.
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
I wouldn't entirely be against that approach - I think Swindon tried similar earlier this season, so it has been done.
The danger in doing it now is it looks like censorship; we don't like the press saying bad things about us despite this being as bad a Villa side as many can recall.
WE KNOW it isn't as straightforward as that. These kind of shit stirring articles are completely divorced from what is actually going on the pitch and have become the norm. But the outside world won't see it like that, it will be painted as trying to stifle honest journalism at a time when the club does actually deserve criticism.
Better to starve them of access when we are doing better.
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"I remember a little about the game" The former Brazilian superstar went on to say " My stronger recollection is post-match when a local businessman connected to the club , taught me how to do something the English call 'The overhead bicycle kick'"........
;)
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
The club have made it quite clear that they couldn't care less.
I wouldn't expect them to re-act to a story like this but the statement they put out regarding the cost of the badge was a start.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-asks-former-11163881?
Now fair play to Marilyn for calling the repellant twat out - I just listened to it and she got under his skin. And fair play to the Mail for twisting into a 'Villa fan Wants Savage to Manage Villa' nonsense.
Listened to a snippet of 606 after the game and they had some absolute twat of a Blues fan on who spent most of his call talking about - you've guessed it - Villa. Ticked all the boxes of the usual myths spouted by noses before a brief mention at the end of the Blues result. Called all the way from Australia as well.
I heard that call in the car. It was almost a parody, calling from Australia to talk about us. I am out out of the loop here in London but that brought home how obsessed with us some of our rivals are.
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
The club have made it quite clear that they couldn't care less.
Even the new regime Dave? Would it be worth a letter to Messrs Hollis, Bernstein and Bevington?
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Trolls.
Yep, totally unnecessary as well. I mean how easy would have it been to write an article saying about Pele's upcoming appearance in Birmingham (of which it gives hardly any details) and then a bit about his appearance at Villa Park. Could have interviewed a former player who played in the game - job done.
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
I wouldn't entirely be against that approach - I think Swindon tried similar earlier this season, so it has been done.
The danger in doing it now is it looks like censorship; we don't like the press saying bad things about us despite this being as bad a Villa side as many can recall.
WE KNOW it isn't as straightforward as that. These kind of shit stirring articles are completely divorced from what is actually going on the pitch and have become the norm. But the outside world won't see it like that, it will be painted as trying to stifle honest journalism at a time when the club does actually deserve criticism.
Better to starve them of access when we are doing better.
There's a big difference between reporting fairly on what has been a truly dismal season, and just making shite like the above story up for shits and giggles. There's more than enough genuinely bad news at the club surely, without having to invent more.
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
I wouldn't entirely be against that approach - I think Swindon tried similar earlier this season, so it has been done.
The danger in doing it now is it looks like censorship; we don't like the press saying bad things about us despite this being as bad a Villa side as many can recall.
WE KNOW it isn't as straightforward as that. These kind of shit stirring articles are completely divorced from what is actually going on the pitch and have become the norm. But the outside world won't see it like that, it will be painted as trying to stifle honest journalism at a time when the club does actually deserve criticism.
Better to starve them of access when we are doing better.
There's a big difference between reporting fairly on what has been a truly dismal season, and just making shite like the above story up for shits and giggles. There's more than enough genuinely bad news at the club surely, without having to invent more.
Agree entirely. You do wonder what's going to come next. They've turned into bloggers rather than journalist's.
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They do this kind of hatchet job on Villa but where was/is their questioning of the issues involved in the ownership of the lot in Bordesley Green?
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Even that idiot Gregg Evans would be embarrassed to gave writen that. An example of how dismal it is:
"The former wonderkid of world soccer - Pele made his Brazil debut at 16 - is a fan of the British game, even if he doesn’t scour the internet for Villa results.
Even AWOL Villa fans have long lost the desire to research their team’s latest embarrassment.
And lurking beneath the golden Brazil shirt is a closet Manchester United fan, Pele confessed"
I'm hoping the new regime do something about our PR. It's pretty crazy that the city's local paper takes the piss out of one it's teams to this degree.
I'm in a pretty reactionary mood at the moment, so I say we should ban the Mail's writers from the ground - they can get their reports from the Press Association or somewhere.
I wouldn't entirely be against that approach - I think Swindon tried similar earlier this season, so it has been done.
The danger in doing it now is it looks like censorship; we don't like the press saying bad things about us despite this being as bad a Villa side as many can recall.
WE KNOW it isn't as straightforward as that. These kind of shit stirring articles are completely divorced from what is actually going on the pitch and have become the norm. But the outside world won't see it like that, it will be painted as trying to stifle honest journalism at a time when the club does actually deserve criticism.
Better to starve them of access when we are doing better.
There's a big difference between reporting fairly on what has been a truly dismal season, and just making shite like the above story up for shits and giggles. There's more than enough genuinely bad news at the club surely, without having to invent more.
They can't help themselves and don't even disguise it anymore. The main story on the back page on the Thursday and Friday before the Cup Final last season was about Benteke leaving. They are an embodiment of the small minded attitudes that exist in Small Heath and Sandwell.
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They do this kind of hatchet job on Villa but where was/is their questioning of the issues involved in the ownership of the lot in Bordesley Green?
Or articles about why Berahino would be better off at Spurs when that move was on the cards.
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I see keowngoal has had another pop at Villa fans calling us "a hard audience" We've put up with sh-t for 5 years and he calls us a hard audience when we've been patient for most of that time. Another pundit totally detached from what's happening in football and with an axe to grind because we called him out on his disloyalty when he wore our colours. His beloved arsenal fans are a hard audience who whinge at the slightest thing and regularly walk out after 60 minutes if things aren't going their way, stating "we need to catch the tube" as an excuse. Think before you speak dumbass ke-own-goal!!!
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One good thing that might come out of all this shit heaped upon us is a siege mentality. We have to unite under something, as a reaction to something, and this might be it.
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I see keowngoal has had another pop at Villa fans calling us "a hard audience" We've put up with sh-t for 5 years and he calls us a hard audience when we've been patient for most of that time. Another pundit totally detached from what's happening in football and with an axe to grind because we called him out on his disloyalty when he wore our colours. His beloved arsenal fans are a hard audience who whinge at the slightest thing and regularly walk out after 60 minutes if things aren't going their way, stating "we need to catch the tube" as an excuse. Think before you speak dumbass ke-own-goal!!!
Well penned
He should remove the plank in his own eye before commenting
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Keown usually speaks well about Villa and I've heard him say he still has a soft spot for the club. You're right about the rest though - anyone who criticises the fans should have a taste of what we've had to put up with since 2010. They'd soon change their tune.
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Point per game the poorest record in professional English football the last 5 years. Hard audience my arse. We're just sick of having the piss taken.
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Richards says the emergence of our academy players gives him hope for the future? What emergence?
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Keown usually speaks well about Villa and I've heard him say he still has a soft spot for the club...
I have never heard him say anything positive about Villa
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-aston-villa-parachute-11161706
Another positive article.
However won't we be getting money from this years season in the PL or have we already received that?
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Keown usually speaks well about Villa and I've heard him say he still has a soft spot for the club...
I have never heard him say anything positive about Villa
Not many people have said anything positive about us for years and you can't blame them for that.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-aston-villa-parachute-11161706
Another positive article.
However won't we be getting money from this years season in the PL or have we already received that?
We'll get around £66m in prize money. But that's obviously our main income stream, and what covers the existing wage bill.
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Keown usually speaks well about Villa and I've heard him say he still has a soft spot for the club...
I have never heard him say anything positive about Villa
Not many people have said anything positive about us for years and you can't blame them for that.
But according to you Keown usually does
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-aston-villa-parachute-11161706
Another positive article.
However won't we be getting money from this years season in the PL or have we already received that?
We'll get around £66m in prize money. But that's obviously our main income stream, and what covers the existing wage bill.
Let's hope we can get some of the useless high earners gone too. Richards and Zog must be on 60k, Richardson possibly 30k, Agbonlahor 50k. There's 200k a week straight away.
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Quality journalism again. Would any other regional paper print this?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-aston-villa-bashing-birmingham-11173048#ICID=sharebar_facebook
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Quality journalism again. Would any other regional paper print this?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-aston-villa-bashing-birmingham-11173048#ICID=sharebar_facebook
Well, the reporter was aptly named.
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Oh my.
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Quality journalism again. Would any other regional paper print this?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-aston-villa-bashing-birmingham-11173048#ICID=sharebar_facebook
Sad; very, very sad.
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Pitiful
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The Mail is nothing more than a trashy sensationalist tabloid these days. It is a poor regional paper with an agenda influenced by Manchester or London as it's connected to the mirror. I haven't bought it for years and overlook its clickbaits. Could anyone imagine l'pool, manchester or london having such poor representation of its local teams, particularly one that has brought so much to the city of B'ham by way of winning the european cup etc? It has no respect and deserves little in return!
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The Mail is nothing more than a trashy sensationalist tabloid these days. It is a poor regional paper with an agenda influenced by Manchester or London as it's connected to the mirror. I haven't bought it for years and overlook its clickbaits. Could anyone imagine l'pool, manchester or london having such poor representation of its local teams, particularly one that has brought so much to the city of B'ham by way of winning the european cup etc? It has no respect and deserves little in return!
Spot on. I won't click on any of their articles and the attitude they have towards the club doesn't make me angry in the slightest, it's just boring. It's not even just the football articles, it's a shame that such a large city has such a poor local newspaper.
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Quality journalism again. Would any other regional paper print this?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-aston-villa-bashing-birmingham-11173048#ICID=sharebar_facebook
Sad; very, very sad.
Backhanded compliments are always the most sincere.
Sad, sad bastards.
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Had a look on the Mail website today, clicked on an article about Agbonlahor which then lead to a 'look what he missed on Saturday' montage of photos. Every single photo was taken at Old Trafford apart from the first photo which was obviously taken at the Sty as it was a flag with SOTV and mention of a relegation party. What a terrible paper.
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They're a bag of shit.
Any serious newspaper would be going to town on Lerner right now, trying to dig in to what's going on, putting any pressure they possibly can on him. The same as when the rags were getting shafted by the Hairdresser, where were the articles on him then? Where was the reporting of what was going on behind the scenes, muck raking? Nothing, instead they had some dozy, boot licker cosying up and pretending everything was fine.
The papers as shit as we are at football.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-birmingham-city-fans-carrying-11231817
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I don't know what's saddest - Small Heath's obsession or the Mail's desparation.
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When we rise from the ashes of the current mess (we're the Villa, we always do) and all these shitty rags like the Mail, and the two-bob media outlets like WM want to jump on the Villa bandwagon, I sincerely hope we tell them to go FUCK THEMSELVES WITH A TRAFFIC CONE.
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I dont blame Blues fans. Thats about as witty as they can get and this is the only good news they have had in years so fair enough.
The Mail however is just sad.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-birmingham-city-fans-carrying-11231817
My God, how low can that 2-bob organ of pig-ignorance & our no-mark, vermin-ridden 'neighbours' go?
Absolutely pitiful.
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When we rise from the ashes of the current mess (we're the Villa, we always do) and all these shitty rags like the Mail, and the two-bob media outlets like WM want to jump on the Villa bandwagon, I sincerely hope we tell them to go FUCK THEMSELVES WITH A TRAFFIC CONE.
This, with knobs on!
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When we rise from the ashes of the current mess (we're the Villa, we always do) and all these shitty rags like the Mail, and the two-bob media outlets like WM want to jump on the Villa bandwagon, I sincerely hope we tell them to go FUCK THEMSELVES WITH A TRAFFIC CONE.
Hear hear!
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When we rise from the ashes of the current mess (we're the Villa, we always do) and all these shitty rags like the Mail, and the two-bob media outlets like WM want to jump on the Villa bandwagon, I sincerely hope we tell them to go FUCK THEMSELVES WITH A TRAFFIC CONE.
Succinct summation there.
Have you considered applying for the job writing the "Media Watch" bit of Villa's website?
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Typically uplifting fare about Villa in the Mail this morning.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-mail-football-live-2-11271189
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Typically uplifting fare about Villa in the Mail this morning.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-mail-football-live-2-11271189
I'm no fan of the Mail these days but sadly we only make the news for the negative stuff these days.
Christ almighty this season can't end quick enough for me.
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Please copy and paste mail articles, as we don't want to give them clicks.
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Please copy and paste mail articles, as we don't want to give them clicks.
Totally agree. I've stopped clicking the link for this reason.
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What a biased rag it is!
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What a biased rag it is!
Yep, along with WM there seems to be an anti-Villa agenda which is becoming more and more obvious. There is only ever positive articles about Albion and Blues and it is as if is aimed at fans of those two clubs in particular.
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Good. I hope it gets worse and worse. This club needs a siege mentality. It might be the only thing that unites it.
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Trouble is you can't create a siege mentality if there's no real leadership and what little you do have is so aloof to the supporters that the media bias is not seen to be an issue.
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At some point we're going to have to pull together. That might come when we're in League 1. But we can use the universal derision, not least on our own doorstep, in our favour. A 'fuck the world' attitude might help us on our way back.
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At some point we're going to have to pull together. That might come when we're in League 1. But we can use the universal derision, not least on our own doorstep, in our favour. A 'fuck the world' attitude might help us on our way back.
When we're in League 1?
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Forgive Aston Villa for reminiscing: It's the anniversary of THIS:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/forgive-aston-villa-reminiscing-its-11273876
Has there ever been a more sneering title?
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Forgive Aston Villa for reminiscing: It's the anniversary of THIS:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/forgive-aston-villa-reminiscing-its-11273876
Has there ever been a more sneering title?
'Kin twats couldn't even get the score of our game right!
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Again, when things change at the club and we're back where we belong let's hope the club doesn't forget the piss taking and sneering from the Mail when they come cap-in-hand and want to be our best friends again.
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Again, when things change at the club and we're back where we belong let's hope the club doesn't forget the piss taking and sneering from the Mail when they come cap-in-hand and want to be our best friends again.
Couldn't agree more.
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What a biased rag it is!
Yep, along with WM there seems to be an anti-Villa agenda which is becoming more and more obvious. There is only ever positive articles about Albion and Blues and it is as if is aimed at fans of those two clubs in particular.
For me, it's not so much the biased reporting with the local media that bothers me, it's the fact they expect us to dumb down to the idiocy levels of our neighbours. The Evening Mail's football reporters could learn a hell of a lot from the Liverpool Echo where football is reported seriously and with knowledge. WM.. the less said about it the better. It's embarrassing. Both are missing a massive opportunity.
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Me too. What goes around comes around.
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At their demise let's see how much they pander to us then.
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At their demise let's see how much they pander to us then.
I couldn't bear it
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Every dog has its day. When you're coming back up you remember who put the boot in when you were at your lowest.
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If you care enough to expose their ridicule of us, please care enough to stop posting their clickbait.
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I was rather pissed off that they reported that Deeney's mate is a blues fan than the fact that our local team had lost. Shit reporting who I cannot take seriously. The scouting reports are a joke too. Terrible sports coverage and I agree about the Liverpool papers, far better quality. The Mail prefer to antagonize than report fairly.
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Again, when things change at the club and we're back where we belong let's hope the club doesn't forget the piss taking and sneering from the Mail when they come cap-in-hand and want to be our best friends again.
Couldn't agree more.
Thirded. We shouldn't forget these twats.
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They're trolls - talking Villa down is the best method they have to get traffic to their website so they can sell ads. If they were kind to us we wouldn't care anyway. If they're mean to us we get outraged and post on their site and all the chimps that support the other teams share their tiresome stories on social media.
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Isn't the Mail's circulation only 23,000 ? If so there are three time as many views of this topic than their paper gets, maybe Dave should start a hostile takeover of his smaller sister rag ? ;)
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Has anybody had a serious discussion with these outlets? There are some fairly influential fans on here and other forums, has anybody actually sat down with these reporters and discussed these genuine concerns?
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I am serious when I say that the Mail has fast become (in terms of sport at least) nothing more than a students' blog and that from a position of fairly serious football journalism - back in the days of Matts, Hickman and Ian Willars. The guy they get to cover the Villa looks like Adrian fcukin Mole and acts with similar maturity, whilst their only serious reporter, Mat Kendrick is confined to sitting in his car in a desolate outpost recording himself crying at our demise and stating the obvious, or, even worse doing the 'face in the crowd' crap every weekend.
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Would any of these useless chumpers be able to come up with a line from a Villa Blues derby as good as 'The Atmosphere was as Electric as the thundery air' I still remember that line by Leon Hickman back in the day.
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I was quite shocked at how appalling their reporting and 'journalism' is, as Mark says the likes of the Liverpool Echo and I'll also add the Yorkshire Post report with knowledge and authority and don't read like a student rag.
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Would any of these useless chumpers be able to come up with a line from a Villa Blues derby as good as 'The Atmosphere was as Electric as the thundery air' I still remember that line by Leon Hickman back in the day.
''The half empty stadium, only 36,000 in attendance, rocked to the sound of keep right on bellowed out from loyal Blues showing their appreciation as their side romped to a fully deserved 0-1 defeat''
We'd get something like that.
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Isn't the Mail's circulation only 23,000 ? If so there are three time as many views of this topic than their paper gets, maybe Dave should start a hostile takeover of his smaller sister rag ? ;)
Is that all? Obviously too many to be aiming for The Shit as their target audience though.
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I am serious when I say that the Mail has fast become (in terms of sport at least) nothing more than a students' blog and that from a position of fairly serious football journalism - back in the days of Matts, Hickman and Ian Willars. The guy they get to cover the Villa looks like Adrian fcukin Mole and acts with similar maturity, whilst their only serious reporter, Mat Kendrick is confined to sitting in his car in a desolate outpost recording himself crying at our demise and stating the obvious, or, even worse doing the 'face in the crowd' crap every weekend.
From what little I have seen, that is easily the best feature on the site. Quite seriously, these are the images that have been used for the Face In The Crowd features from the link on the previous page.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2kla52.jpg)
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I used to follow Kendrick on Twitter but the amount of shit he retweets has proved too much.
From a lifelong family link, a paper delivered every day and read cover to cover by my late Mom, my sister joining the Chipper Club and countless Villa articles cut out and kept by myself, it now ceases to register in any way.
I think it's a great shame.
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He weeps
I didn't know there circulation was only 23k, well that makes sense why they are trying to provoke 10's of thousands of Villa fans into a reaction. Get the clicks on there abject dross. Yes they have a lot in common with the Obsessed.
Love it.
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http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/uk-regional-daily-print-sales-down-102-cent-birmingham-mail-loses-quarter-sales-year-year
So naturally the response to declining newspaper sales is to make the paper even worse, hence uninspiring urchins such as Smegg Evans filling space with bantz.
Seems like the paper is sadly going through a managed decline. Much like we are, in fact.
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Call me crazy but actually trying to support your local clubs , particularly the biggest which has a gate larger than your entire circulation, might be a way to attract readers.
Pissing them off and aggressively disliking them seems pretty stupid.
Villa could have been a potential way of growing again. Instead they have chosen more decline.
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Isn't the Mail's circulation only 23,000 ? If so there are three time as many views of this topic than their paper gets, maybe Dave should start a hostile takeover of his smaller sister rag ? ;)
As low as that, really?! Good grief, what's the point?
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I'm surprised it's that high. 23,000? What gave they been doing, giving it away outside the Whorethorns?
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I'm surprised it's that high. 23,000? What gave they been doing, giving it away outside the Whorethorns?
They were giving it away on a Friday in town a few years ago.
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New Day of Trinity Mirror closing down after 9 weeks may be a sign of where the Birmingham Mail (also of trinity mirror) is heading. A regional paper betraying their regional audience can only have one outcome.
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I find it strange that other regional papers have been cited here as models of excellence - all the Scousers I've spoken to think the Echo is a rag and except for it's stance on Hillsborough would've gone down the pan a long time ago.
I do think that some of this indifference is based on the fact that its printed in M*nchestor though.
Also, as far as I can tell all online regional papers have gone down the 'You'll never guess what happened next' route.
Dismal.
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You're right AHC. In saying that they do not look to antagonise clubs in their area. the whole point is that they are representing their readership and their readership's interests. I have no problem with face in the crowd because the local media should be about happy news stories and showing how great it is to live in that area. Cats up trees, trips down memory lane, 9 year-olds with a heart condition going to America to play the trombone, street lighting and so on and so on. yes, their are the odd 'news' story but turn to the sports pages and they support their local teams as their readership do.
I can understand when fans of our rivals complained about us getting more coverage but that is the result of being the biggest club in the region. And they're probably right. Its akin to Scots calling the BBC the EBC.
But what the Mail, and to a lesser extent WM do, is to dance on the grave and ridicule one of the clubs that the majority of their readership support. It is a truly bizarre editorial decision and it is purely a click bait business plan. But one that will end in failure because when they are desperate and want us, and when these shit for brains 'journalists' realise that their next editors will want to see more in the back catalogue than 6th form newspaper blogs, they will be truly buggered. They're doing it to themselves. What goes around comes around.
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I see the slaaaaag is taking the piss again in her column in the sun .god she still is pissed off about her song aint she. Every week she puts little pisstakes in that rag of a paper about us
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I see the slaaaaag is taking the piss again in her column in the sun .god she still is pissed off about her song aint she. Every week she puts little pisstakes in that rag of a paper about us
She writes for the Sun which just about sums up the type of person she is.
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I see the slaaaaag is taking the piss again in her column in the sun .god she still is pissed off about her song aint she. Every week she puts little pisstakes in that rag of a paper about us
She writes for the Sun which just about sums up the type of person she is.
She's a total sad fuck. She's spent the majority of her career in the shadow of us and she'll never fully get over it.
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She sets a pretty big shadow herself! Fat Trollope.
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We must have really, really gotten to her.
We have been so bad for so long that most well balanced individuals would see us as a trifling irrelevance.
She was always someone who sought publicity (putting it mildly)so with that will come stick. Particularly from fans that her former club share a city with. It's a given. But the stick she got always seemed more pantomime to me.
Look at the dogs abuse Tricky Trev used to get, yet he doesn't seem to be consumed by it still.
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Take it as a compliment.
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Words fail me. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-birmingham-city-fan-smashing-11311883#rlabs=2%20rt$sitewide%20p$7
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and it's an article by Kendrick too. He's as much part of the problem there as everyone else. Fucking stupid. What an utterly bollocks publication it has become.
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I used to ask my Mom to grab me a copy every so often, either if there was a big Villa story or something going on in the city. I would look forward to bringing them back home to Cornwall with me and have a good old read. I have not done this now for over 5 years. It's beyond poor.
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Words fail me. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-birmingham-city-fan-smashing-11311883#rlabs=2%20rt$sitewide%20p$7
Is Alan Partridge the Sports Editor there now?
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Good luck to them selling advertising space with articles like this ???
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Maybe it's Mat's way of showing up Blues' obsession but either way, it's a piss poor website. They might as well get Baggie Bill back.
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Deary me.
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Best story about Brady is the true one about the time she met Doug at a function at the Grand Hotel. She brassed herself into Doug's group and he asked her "and what do you do?" To which our nymphette replied "I am with City". HDE smiled benignly (he knew perfectly well who she was) and replied "Ah, you work for the Council".
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Boom.
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Please, I don't want to click links to that shit site. Pasted articles would be appreciated.
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Now THAT is small time at it's very best.
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As a kid I had to deliver the Birmingham Mail to three streets around where I lived. It was shoulder breaking work with the large newspaper delivery bags absolutely full of what were then broadsheets. Almost every house had "The Mail" delivered 6 nights a week. It was a quality read in those days. My Dad used to spend what seemed like hours reading it every night. My job was to use the previous night's issue to draw the fire (ask your parents)
I understand that the world has changed and newspapers are not the necessity that they once were of course, but I can't help feeling that their current strategy of targeting the lowest common denominator is not one that will bring success, when The Metro for example is free and from what I glanced at yesterday in the tube appears somewhat superior to The Mail.
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Can't decide whether it's sad or complimentary that so many fans of our neighbours' clubs are more obsessed with us than they are with their own club
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As ever the back-handed compliments are the most sincere. Small Heath live and breath Aston Villa we mean so much to their fans it must hurt them deep down.
Roll on this time next year and perhaps we'll be reminding them that our low points are few and far between, and that we'll always be this region's number one club, and that just kills them.
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As ever the back-handed compliments are the most sincere. Small Heath live and breath Aston Villa we mean so much to their fans it must hurt them deep down.
Roll on this time next year and perhaps we'll be reminding them that our low points are few and far between, and that we'll always be this region's number one club, and that just kills them.
I think that kills the Albion obsessives more. Blues fans just have an irrational hatred of us, but I think the bitters see themselves as genuine competition to us. Knowing that they never will be really grates with them, whereas Blues fans seem to promote an underdog tag.
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As ever the back-handed compliments are the most sincere. Small Heath live and breath Aston Villa we mean so much to their fans it must hurt them deep down.
Roll on this time next year and perhaps we'll be reminding them that our low points are few and far between, and that we'll always be this region's number one club, and that just kills them.
I think that kills the Albion obsessives more. Blues fans just have an irrational hatred of us, but I think the bitters see themselves as genuine competition to us. Knowing that they never will be really grates with them, whereas Blues fans seem to promote an underdog tag.
yes yes yes, I buy all that, But the over riding factor is that the "under dogs and the bitters are all ******
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Best story about Brady is the true one about the time she met Doug at a function at the Grand Hotel. She brassed herself into Doug's group and he asked her "and what do you do?" To which our nymphette replied "I am with City". HDE smiled benignly (he knew perfectly well who she was) and replied "Ah, you work for the Council".
Just when you think Doug can't make you smile. Good work.
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Look at the barely concealed glee here. Twats.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-championship-key-dates-11326878#nav-panel
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Best story about Brady is the true one about the time she met Doug at a function at the Grand Hotel. She brassed herself into Doug's group and he asked her "and what do you do?" To which our nymphette replied "I am with City". HDE smiled benignly (he knew perfectly well who she was) and replied "Ah, you work for the Council".
Just when you think Doug can't make you smile. Good work.
ok accepted Doug aint all bad. (good story)
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Look at the barely concealed glee here. Twats.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-championship-key-dates-11326878#nav-panel
''Fixtures for the new Championship season will be released in little more than a month’s time on Wednesday, June 22.
That’s a week after the top-flight fixtures are announced.
So from June 22, you can start planning your trips to the new grounds you haven’t visited before, for example Burton Albion’s Pirelli Stadium and Rotherham United’s New York Stadium.''
Piss taking bastards.
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Look at the barely concealed glee here. Twats.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-championship-key-dates-11326878#nav-panel
Fucking idiots.
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Fuck em. I'm looking forward to a spell in the championship. It's a bit like when your flight is diverted to somewhere so so for a few hours. You get off the plane, browse the duty free, hit the airport bar, then when the time comes you get on the plane home no worse off for the experience.
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I just hope we start to get the PR right and remember what a bunch of bastards they have been with us at this low ebb. I wouldn't want them riding our coat tails as we come back.
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Can we please post copy and past of the article so they don't get the benefit of hits to their site?
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I just hope we start to get the PR right and remember what a bunch of bastards they have been with us at this low ebb. I wouldn't want them riding our coat tails as we come back.
Remember the digs, remember the pisstaking.
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Look at the barely concealed glee here. Twats.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-championship-key-dates-11326878#nav-panel
Fucking idiots.
Steve Wollaston again. The same clown who wrote the article last year on why Benteke should move to Liverpool. Is he a nose or a bitter?
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I don't know. But definitely a twat.
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Look at the barely concealed glee here. Twats.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-championship-key-dates-11326878#nav-panel
Fucking idiots.
Steve Wollaston again. The same clown who wrote the article last year on why Benteke should move to Liverpool. Is he a nose or a bitter?
pretty confident his a bitter, a self righteous twat at that.
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Look at the barely concealed glee here. Twats.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-championship-key-dates-11326878#nav-panel
Fucking idiots.
Steve Wollaston again. The same clown who wrote the article last year on why Benteke should move to Liverpool.
And look where that got him...
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Nice to see they're on the case. Hemingway would have been proud.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-chinese-takeover--11353845
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Hemingway would be reaching for his gun.
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That is really appalling. If it applied to one of our neighbours it would still be appalling. It
would be an insult to infants to call it infantile.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
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They're as much use as the fucking Beano.
If it were a serious paper they'd have someone trying to dig deeper in to the story of the new owner. All they will be doing is sitting on the internet waiting to copy links from various sources like twatter rumours and gossip.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
I saw that Risso (presuming it's the same one from here) pulled Wollaston up on Twitter earlier in the week.
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They're as much use as the fucking Beano.
If it were a serious paper they'd have someone trying to dig deeper in to the story of the new owner. All they will be doing is sitting on the internet waiting to copy links from various sources like twatter rumours and gossip.
Oi! Nothing wrong with the Beano. I loved it when I was a kid. The Mail on the other hand; I wouldn't wipe my arse with.
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I won't click links to the mail, so I'll just assume that it's a load of old shite.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
I saw that Risso (presuming it's the same one from here) pulled Wollaston up on Twitter earlier in the week.
Guilty as charged.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
I saw that Risso (presuming it's the same one from here) pulled Wollaston up on Twitter earlier in the week.
Guilty as charged.
What was it about? Mine was with Mat Kendrick. He had a bit of a pop back.
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If our new owner does indeed turn out to be a big hitter I would have thought that the Mail's collective tongue would grow considerably.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
I saw that Risso (presuming it's the same one from here) pulled Wollaston up on Twitter earlier in the week.
Guilty as charged.
What was it about? Mine was with Mat Kendrick. He had a bit of a pop back.
I spoke to Kendrick at the protest before Newcastle match. I said that our coverage was abysmal and he countered that the club deserved it because of the performances this season. I questioned the bias against us and the snide remarks from his colleagues and he refused to comment
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I am now convinced they are taking the piss. Watching the video (which is lower quality than any fan podcast btw) here are some highlights.
Mick Mcarthy would be a fine classy choice and he is underrated.
They want to see Lescott given a nother chance and redeem himself netx season because he is still a good player.
Randy Lerners goodbye message is written with a cynical tone not a genuine one.
Villa should try and "break the bank" to entice megastar Ross McCormack to join us.
Other "big name" players they advocate is 31 year old Marshall from Cardiff.
Bloody hell.
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Actually I agree with McCormack and Marshall.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
I saw that Risso (presuming it's the same one from here) pulled Wollaston up on Twitter earlier in the week.
Guilty as charged.
What was it about? Mine was with Mat Kendrick. He had a bit of a pop back.
I spoke to Kendrick at the protest before Newcastle match. I said that our coverage was abysmal and he countered that the club deserved it because of the performances this season. I questioned the bias against us and the snide remarks from his colleagues and he refused to comment
That makes no sense. Why does being abysmal on the pitch mean the quality of coverage should be abysmal too?
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Marshall and McCormack, good players at that level, you're talking £20m though aren't you? Surely better value elsewhere?
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Actually I agree with McCormack and Marshall.
Mccormack maybe, Marshall no for me, I'm not sure he's much of an upgrade on Bunn and Guzan so what's the point?
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I think Marshall is a much more solid keeper than Guzan or Bunn, from the little I've seen of him, he doesn't look like he's confronting a timebomb when the ball comes towards him.
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I would be spending my money at a bit higher level than a 29 year old striker who plays the for 20th placed team in the Championship.
We already have a far younger 20 goal a season Championship striker. We need someone of a higher class and style to round us out for next season.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
I saw that Risso (presuming it's the same one from here) pulled Wollaston up on Twitter earlier in the week.
Guilty as charged.
What was it about? Mine was with Mat Kendrick. He had a bit of a pop back.
I spoke to Kendrick at the protest before Newcastle match. I said that our coverage was abysmal and he countered that the club deserved it because of the performances this season. I questioned the bias against us and the snide remarks from his colleagues and he refused to comment
That makes no sense. Why does being abysmal on the pitch mean the quality of coverage should be abysmal too?
Agree, he seemed very defensive, as if he was just following orders, imo
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I think Marshall is a much more solid keeper than Guzan or Bunn, from the little I've seen of him, he doesn't look like he's confronting a timebomb when the ball comes towards him.
Nor did Guzan until the last 12-18 months. If you asked if we'd swap him and Guzan a year ago you'd have been laughed at. I'm not saying a shit season should be forgotten or that we should stick with Guzan, I'm just saying we should elavate other teams players to a higher standard than they are because we've had a shit season. I'd rather give Steer a couple of months as first choice than go for someone who i don't think is much of an upgrade. If I think back on Cardiff being in the Prem I don't remember him as a goalkeeper who was worth keeping an eye and nor does anyone else which is why he's still at Cardiff a few years later.
Even before the takeover I wanted us to be signing players who were too good for the championship but no one in the premier league was ready to gamble on them. Now that we may well have substantial funds that becomes a necessity.
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I'd honestly have swapped Guzan for Marshall a year ago, I rate him. We need a really solid keeper, not sure I'd take the risk of Steer, what's the general consensus from Hudds fans of him?
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The first thing he could do is sit down with Ayew and Amavi and convince them to give us a year.
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The first thing he could do is sit down with Ayew and Amavi and convince them to give us a year.
And Veretout, Gana and Traore. All 5 are far too good for the championship.
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I'd actually let them gush all over us when we come back up and become top dogs again. Not just 15th place top dogs but pushing up the table again. Just pat them on the back and stroke their hair as they court us. It will wind the others right up that as soon as Villa pay any attention they will drop that lot like a ton of hot bricks and be all over Villa again.
Good or bad, snidy or not, their editorial message is that it's all about Villa.
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I don't think they will be around to report on us if we are in the Premier League in 2017. The Mail has been run worse than Aston Villa in recent years and their staff are worse at their jobs than our players are at theirs.
The difference is nobody is interested in buying local newspapers to make them great again.
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They're as much use as the fucking Beano.
If it were a serious paper they'd have someone trying to dig deeper in to the story of the new owner. All they will be doing is sitting on the internet waiting to copy links from various sources like twatter rumours and gossip.
They couldn't/wouldn't do it when Carson Yeung was going to gaol in Hong Kong, and it was down to a fan with a blog to investigate.
They don't do investigation, they don't do reporting, and when it come to Villa all they do is trolling.
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To be fair if you want to "spot your face in the crowd", they're the guys to turn to.
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I had a run in with one of the mail lot on twitter earlier this week and they wonder why they get stick when they come out with this sort of crap.
I saw that Risso (presuming it's the same one from here) pulled Wollaston up on Twitter earlier in the week.
Guilty as charged.
What was it about? Mine was with Mat Kendrick. He had a bit of a pop back.
Kendrick's alright, he is a Villa fan and indeed rightly called the club out towards the end of his spell as Villa correspondent.
It's people like Gregg Evans I can't stand. Poor Journalist, dosen't support the club (not a problem if you're professional) but big problem when you start taking petty and sly digs out in your match reports.
Amused me earlier this season. He took a holiday and came back for the Palace midweek home game just after the Wycombe game when it all kicked off. He actually tweeting an appeal asking people why we were booing Lescott and Bacuna....errr mate that's your job to find out and you really should know it yourself.
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The Mail seem to have an obsession with video content these days.
"Click here to hear Gregg Evans talk about Villa's prospects next year"
Who would give one tenth of one single fuck about what Gregg Evans thinks of that?
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Gregg 'door-wedge-head’ Evans, in his Mondeo, in a lay-by, in the rain, spouting thinly-veiled anti-Villa tripe, isn't the kind of video I want to watch, ever.
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The Mail seem to have an obsession with video content these days.
"Click here to hear Gregg Evans talk about Villa's prospects next year"
Who would give one tenth of one single fuck about what Gregg Evans thinks of that?
He can't write to save himself, so it is one alternative.
The other one is the Mail could make him play marbles on the M6.
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The Mail seem to have an obsession with video content these days.
"Click here to hear Gregg Evans talk about Villa's prospects next year"
Who would give one tenth of one single fuck about what Gregg Evans thinks of that?
That's because they have an advert at the start of each one.
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The Mail seem to have an obsession with video content these days.
"Click here to hear Gregg Evans talk about Villa's prospects next year"
Who would give one tenth of one single fuck about what Gregg Evans thinks of that?
That's because they have an advert at the start of each one.
Desk sharing. Now, one of you f*** off in your car and make a video recording and don't forget to pick up the sandwiches on the way back.
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Our company IT wizkid, he can turn the computers off and then back on to fix them, reckons video content also scores higher on search engines than regular stuff.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/listen-cheeky-west-brom-fans-11371975
Jesus wept.
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And they deem this news.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/listen-cheeky-west-brom-fans-11371975
Jesus wept.
Why on earth would the Mail even give that web space? Idiots.
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Its like they don't want anyone to read their content or advertise with them, there must be something going on. Has the editor shorted their shares?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-new-aston-villa-board-11372113?
In their usual supportive way they concentrate almost solely on one purported member of the new board.
By the way Paulie, if you are interested Greg has uploaded a new 1.22 video on 'what the new regime must do'.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/listen-cheeky-west-brom-fans-11371975
Jesus wept.
Whatever this was, they have removed it. Was it something about billing?
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It's almost as if Baggie Bill never left.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-new-aston-villa-board-11372113?
In their usual supportive way they concentrate almost solely on one purported member of the new board.
By the way Paulie, if you are interested Greg has uploaded a new 1.22 video on 'what the new regime must do'.
Yep, under the title of "Who is on the New Aston Villa Board?", they only have speculation that Samuelson might be on it and one line on the appointed CEO. Then mention we might get other positions filled at some point as well.
As for the video, I haven't clicked on it but Gregg now looks like he is filming from his bedroom.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/listen-cheeky-west-brom-fans-11371975
Jesus wept.
Whatever this was, they have removed it. Was it something about billing?
A moron rang the Villa club shop to hilariously ask whether the new shirts would have Premier League badges on. Pure comedy gold.
The lady in the shop should have answered 'You should know, you've been relegated enough times.'
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Is the Mail becoming some even shitter version of lad bible? Do they do news anymore?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-new-aston-villa-board-11372113?
In their usual supportive way they concentrate almost solely on one purported member of the new board.
By the way Paulie, if you are interested Greg has uploaded a new 1.22 video on 'what the new regime must do'.
Yep, under the title of "Who is on the New Aston Villa Board?", they only have speculation that Samuelson might be on it and one line on the appointed CEO. Then mention we might get other positions filled at some point as well.
As for the video, I haven't clicked on it but Gregg now looks like he is filming from his bedroom.
A good employer would never leave an employee in a sticky situation.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-new-aston-villa-board-11372113?
In their usual supportive way they concentrate almost solely on one purported member of the new board.
By the way Paulie, if you are interested Greg has uploaded a new 1.22 video on 'what the new regime must do'.
Yep, under the title of "Who is on the New Aston Villa Board?", they only have speculation that Samuelson might be on it and one line on the appointed CEO. Then mention we might get other positions filled at some point as well.
As for the video, I haven't clicked on it but Gregg now looks like he is filming from his bedroom.
A good employer would never leave an employee in a sticky situation.
Cue PWS's picture of Randy from South Park
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Here is their first world exclusive under the new rules..........
WATCH: Aston Villa manager update - Latest on hunt for new boss at Villa Park
20:51, 25 MAY 2016 UPDATED 20:52, 25 MAY 2016
BY GREGG EVANS
Possible developments before the end of the week in the search for Remi Garde's successor
Watch above: Gregg Evans on the latest developments in Villa manager hunt - Paulie, our answer to Philip Oakey has another video out.
Aston Villa are hoping for a breakthrough in their managerial search before the end of the week.
Tony Xia and his team are tracking Roberto Di Matteo and are thought to have held further discussions in the past 24 hours.
Villa are not yet ruling out other candidates but it’s thought the Italian is now their stand-out choice.
Departing chairman Steve Hollis admitted last week that he would have appointed a manager by the close of this week had a takeover not been forthcoming,
But with Xia now only waiting for Premier League and Football League approval before it’s now over to the new owners to decide where to go next.
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Here is their first world exclusive under the new rules..........
WATCH: Aston Villa manager update - Latest on hunt for new boss at Villa Park
20:51, 25 MAY 2016 UPDATED 20:52, 25 MAY 2016
BY GREGG EVANS
Possible developments before the end of the week in the search for Remi Garde's successor
Watch above: Gregg Evans on the latest developments in Villa manager hunt - Paulie, our answer to Philip Oakey has another video out.
Aston Villa are hoping for a breakthrough in their managerial search before the end of the week.
Tony Xia and his team are tracking Roberto Di Matteo and are thought to have held further discussions in the past 24 hours.
Villa are not yet ruling out other candidates but it’s thought the Italian is now their stand-out choice.
Departing chairman Steve Hollis admitted last week that he would have appointed a manager by the close of this week had a takeover not been forthcoming,
But with Xia now only waiting for Premier League and Football League approval before it’s now over to the new owners to decide where to go next.
Thanks Kippax
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Fuck me, what does Gregg Evans do all day?
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Fuck me, what does Gregg Evans do all day?
- Check the Small Heath Alliance website to catch up with how the the lads are doing
- over to PornHub for the days main activity
- write up some shite for the paper, record some low budget video
- "work" done by 2pm head off for an early start at the pub.
repeat.
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Fuck me, what does Gregg Evans do all day?
- Check the Small Heath Alliance website to catch up with how the the lads are doing
- over to PornHub for the days main activity
- write up some shite for the paper, record some low budget video
- "work" done by 2pm head off for an early start at the pub.
repeat.
Repeat to fade
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The videos look like kidnapper videos.
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The videos look like kidnapper videos.
I want him to do one from a cave in Tora Bora, wearing a Keffiyeh claiming to be close to breaking the Villa Manager announcement.
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Exclusive coming at 8:30. Twats.
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Another useless articles :( we know more about what going on with Villa than Greg Evans.
We know there will be new appointment and his name is RDM or NP as back up and it will happens once Tony get his approval. It is all a waiting game.
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God what a joke. Just more of yesterdays news.
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It was about Dr Tony wanting to buy a club in the Chinese league too. As exclusive's go, it was a bit piss poor really.
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Did it really get a WHOLE LOT HARDER you wank stain Gregg?
Aston Villa's Championship campaign just got a whole lot harder
21:00, 27 MAY 2016 UPDATED 21:00, 27 MAY 2016
BY GREGG EVANS
Villa will face a difficult season with strong competition next term and one of those teams will be Nigel Pearson's Derby County
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Nigel Pearson, managing Leicester CityFormer Leicester boss Nigel Pearson has been appointed by Derby County
Aston Villa will now be direct competitors for Nigel Pearson - the man who was initially the favourite to take the hotseat at Villa Park.
Pearson was today named Derby County manager and that should worry the claret and blues.
Already the Rams have a fine squad capable of challenging for automatic promotion and now it seems they have a manager who could finally get them back into the big-time.
In recent years they’ve just not had the staying power to see them through but that could change next term.
Villa already have Newcastle to deal with next season and with Pearson in charge, Derby will be a force to be reckoned with.
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Roberto Di MatteoRoberto Di Matteo looks set to take over at Villa Park
Roberto Di Matteo is expected to be named as the new Villa boss in the coming days and it will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
Departing chairman Steve Hollis is thought to have favoured Pearson as did former advisor Adrian Bevington who was tasked with drawing up the shortlist.
With the changing of hands and Tony Xia closing in on a takeover of the club, different options were explored and now Di Matteo leads the way.
Like Pearson, the Italian has the experience of getting a club out of the second tier and into the top-flight.
Di Matteo did it with Albion and will use his experience from that 2009/2010 campaign if, as expected, he takes over at Villa.
Suddenly, though, with today’s announcement, the Championship just got a whole lot tougher for Villa next season as they look for an immediate return to the Premier League.
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Even by the Mail's standards the comments under that article are laughable. Does no-one ever moderate them?
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In this case I see nothing wrong with the Mail ...... I think they are spot on !
Derby WILL finish above us ............
Who can provide a justification that will not happen?
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In this case I see nothing wrong with the Mail ...... I think they are spot on !
Derby WILL finish above us ............
Who can provide a justification that will not happen?
Because it might not happen.
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I had a bit of Twitter tennis with Steve Wollaston yesterday...they are really deluded...he believes mail do a fine job and can't
see the negativity they write. I told him to look on here but he declined and responded to the negativity question:
Paul, you can't please everyone but i have enough contact with Villa fans to know that's not the majority.
Then another
If it was,nobody would be reading the stories.As it is,more people are than ever before.
In part that must be so many links to mail being posted on here boosting figures
He went on to say : ''As i say more reading our Villa content than there ever has been in our history.
After another spat: '' If you don't wish to read what we publish i guess you have that choice. Thankfully other do''
I couldn't be arsed to reply...deluded..or they are all living in a bubble.
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For me it's not so much the lack of positive stories, because let's face it, we've hardly given them positive stuff to write about lately. It's those fucking stupid video's they post up. What other local newspaper would post a video of a man breaking a picture of a ground with his truck? That's the point I was trying to make when I had my spat with Mat Kendrick and he re-tweets the bloody things. He just didn't get it.
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I had a bit of Twitter tennis with Steve Wollaston yesterday...they are really deluded...he believes mail do a fine job and can't
see the negativity they write. I told him to look on here but he declined and responded to the negativity question:
Paul, you can't please everyone but i have enough contact with Villa fans to know that's not the majority.
Then another
If it was,nobody would be reading the stories.As it is,more people are than ever before.
In part that must be so many links to mail being posted on here boosting figures
He went on to say : ''As i say more reading our Villa content than there ever has been in our history.
After another spat: '' If you don't wish to read what we publish i guess you have that choice. Thankfully other do''
I couldn't be arsed to reply...deluded..or they are all living in a bubble.
Of course they're getting their highest readership ever - the internet and social media didn't exist until comparatively recently so they have the world as their target audience now instead of a thirty mile radius of Birmingham.
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I had a bit of Twitter tennis with Steve Wollaston yesterday...they are really deluded...he believes mail do a fine job and can't
see the negativity they write. I told him to look on here but he declined and responded to the negativity question:
Paul, you can't please everyone but i have enough contact with Villa fans to know that's not the majority.
Then another
If it was,nobody would be reading the stories.As it is,more people are than ever before.
In part that must be so many links to mail being posted on here boosting figures
He went on to say : ''As i say more reading our Villa content than there ever has been in our history.
After another spat: '' If you don't wish to read what we publish i guess you have that choice. Thankfully other do''
I couldn't be arsed to reply...deluded..or they are all living in a bubble.
I think we can guess which other club's fans help boost the Villa reading figures.
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For me it's not so much the lack of positive stories, because let's face it, we've hardly given them positive stuff to write about lately. It's those fucking stupid video's they post up. What other local newspaper would post a video of a man breaking a picture of a ground with his truck? That's the point I was trying to make when I had my spat with Mat Kendrick and he re-tweets the bloody things. He just didn't get it.
For me it's more the barely concealed glee with every chance to twist the knife instead of actually challenging the running of the club at the points when it's plainly obvious there's serious questions to be asked.
There's more investigative journalism on here than over there and that includes the Jokes and "Annoying" threads.
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Derby WILL finish above us ............
You're right. We don't know who our manager or any of our players will be yet but Derby will definitely finish above us having appointed the genius that masterminded the League Champions' fourteenth place finish.
Newcastle will finish above us too. They've cunningly managed to hold on to the manager that took them down and couldn't beat the worst Villa team ever.
Norwich are certainties to leave us in their wake as well. We can't compete with a side that is often regarded as the best in the whole of Norfolk.
I also think Forest, Small Heath, Rotherham, Wolves, Burton and Wigan will finish above us, as will both of Barnsley and Millwall, even though only one of them will be in our division.
I've already given up hope of us finishing in the top twenty-three. Every day I yearn for the sweet embrace of death.
We're doomed.
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They're staying really positive.
Aston Villa players don't know when to turn up for pre-season training
The Sunday People's Neil Moxley writes today that the claret and blues are a club entirely in limbo...
Aston Villa’s players have not been given a date to return for pre-season training.
The crisis-hit Birmingham club, who slipped into the Championship, have not told the first-team squad when to turn up ahead of the new campaign.
Villa are currently awaiting clearance from the Premier League and Football League that their new officials have passed the fit and proper person test ahead of a change of ownership.
And until they receive that clearance, the club have been left in limbo.
A source close to a player said: “The squad have been told to expect communication from the club in due course.
“As to when that will be is anyone’s guess.”
Following the defeat to Arsenal on the final day of the season, Villa’s players were told to await instructions.
With appointment of Remi Garde’s successor in the pipeline - irrespective of whether former owner Randy Lerner had sold up - there was little point in interim boss Eric Black putting together any schedule as a new boss would have had his own ideas.
Aston Villa acting boss Eric Black during the defeat at Arsenal
Aston Villa acting boss Eric Black during the defeat at Arsenal
So, the first-team squad have left with individual fitness plans, but no ongoing programme in place.
It is anticipated that once Chinese businessman Dr Tony Xia is confirmed as the new owner that Roberto Di Matteo will be installed as manager.
It appears scare stories about the financial clout of Xia are just that and nothing more.
Villa origninally released a statement saying Xia owned five listed companies - he is, in fact, in control of just one.
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Like it's even a fucking story. Players are either preparing for international duty or on a beach somewhere not giving one tenth of a fuck about pre-season. You'd think they were all frantically texting each other anxious to know when to report back to the club. The Birmingham Mail and the Mirror are both a complete load of bollocks.
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In this case I see nothing wrong with the Mail ...... I think they are spot on !
Derby WILL finish above us ............
Who can provide a justification that will not happen?
Mila Kunis WILL nosh me off.
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The new manager will sort out new schedules so what's the big problem with that? It's just your usual shit stirring stuff from the press.
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That Sunday People article wins star prize for using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. "A source" close to "A player" who says we don't have a return date yet but we will have one soon. Thanks for sharing that breathtaking revelation with us Moxley
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Perhaps we're moving and not telling the players where to.
I do hope so.
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We will get Doris the tea lady to make a sandwich for the ones we want to keep and wrap it in a road map.
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We will get Doris the tea lady to make a sandwich for the ones we want to keep and wrap it in a road map.
They will also have a set of instructions to find clues along the way. That is where we lose Gabby at the first clue.
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Perhaps we're moving and not telling the players where to.
I do hope so.
Better still, send them on a "training camp" to a remote island in the Pacific, with a one way ticket.
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Last man standing gets a 12 month contact.
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Last man standing gets a 12 month contact.
With Charles N'Zogbia banned from entering.
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Perhaps we're moving and not telling the players where to.
I do hope so.
Better still, send them on a "training camp" to a remote island in the Pacific, with a one way ticket.
Guantanamo Bay is still open. A few months in there for a couple of our boys will humble 'em
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At least two months before the start of next season and they want us to panic about not having set a date for pre season training. Instead we have been messing about with silly things like a change of ownership and trying to appoint the right manager. Definitely grounds for a broken badge graphic.
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I don't like to criticise fellow journalists for earning a living, but the coverage of Villa in the Mail is a world away from what you read in the Newcastle Chronicle or the Liverpool Echo about their teams. And as a long-term business proposition, it's not a brilliant look. It comes across as trolling.
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Euro 2016: 160 football thugs ordered to hand over their passports
More than 150 football hooligans have been ordered to hand over their passports to keep them away from Euro 2016.
A total of 160 fans banned from watching matches must surrender their documents on Tuesday and Wednesday of this week.
Police want to stop them travelling to the tournament in France, which starts on June 10.
Officers will also step up patrols at Birmingham Airport and have teams of “spotters” looking for troublemakers who ignore the restriction.
Chief Insp Nick Rowe, of West Midlands Police , said: “Anticipation is growing for a summer of football and we want people to enjoy the tournament.
“But banning orders are there for a reason and known troublemakers will not be welcome at Euro 2016.
“We will actively pursue anyone who fails to hand over their passport; although in previous years the majority have understood the consequences of ignoring the order and complied with the conditions.
“People may see a more visible police presence at the airport but there is no reason to be alarmed; we will have a targeted, intelligence-led approach.”
Those who ignore the conditions of their order could be jailed for up to six months or fined up to £5,000.
A banning order usually runs for between three and ten years and prevents anyone convicted of football-related offences from attending matches or going to overseas tournaments.
They are given to people convicted of violence or disorder and also those who commit afootball-related offence such as fighting or damaging property in a pub while watching a match.
Passports will be retained until the end of the competition and will then be handed back.
The video on that page is a Villa fan with a banner at Villa Park.
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Isn't it about time some pea brained boggie called the club shop to perform another side splitting prank?
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The Birmingham Mail really are setting themselves up as enemies of Villa for some reason.
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The Birmingham Mail really are setting themselves up as enemies of Villa for some reason.
We can all see it, however when any Villa fans (myself included) point this out to their "journalists" on Twitter, we are patronisingly informed that we've got it all wrong.
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The Birmingham Mail really are setting themselves up as enemies of Villa for some reason.
We can all see it, however when any Villa fans (myself included) point this out to their "journalists" on Twitter, we are patronisingly informed that we've got it all wrong.
I get patronised by them even when I'm trying to agree. Odd.
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The Birmingham Mail really are setting themselves up as enemies of Villa for some reason.
We can all see it, however when any Villa fans (myself included) point this out to their "journalists" on Twitter, we are patronisingly informed that we've got it all wrong.
Or they just don't answer. Like tonight regarding why a video of a Villa fan with a banner was used when talking about supporters who had banning orders for the Euros
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The Birmingham Mail really are setting themselves up as enemies of Villa for some reason.
We can all see it, however when any Villa fans (myself included) point this out to their "journalists" on Twitter, we are patronisingly informed that we've got it all wrong.
Or they just don't answer. Like tonight regarding why a video of a Villa fan with a banner was used when talking about supporters who had banning orders for the Euros
Presumably, the individual in question would have just cause to complain to the PCC as he's incorrectly identified to anyone who knows him as being part of the group of 160 subject to the banning orders and surrender of passports etc?
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If it were a recent thing, sure, maybe we're being overly sensitive, but to my mind their attitude has been like this going back to the days of Lerner coming in - maybe before that too.
It's a really strange, grating strategy by them.
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If it were a recent thing, sure, maybe we're being overly sensitive, but to my mind their attitude has been like this going back to the days of Lerner coming in - maybe before that too.
It's a really strange, grating strategy by them.
When did they get taken over by Mirror Publishing or whatever they're called these days?
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I wanted to post a comment under that story, but they wanted so much of my personal data in exchange for the privilege - I couldn't be arsed
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Former coach doesn't see Villa bouncing back
Wilkins: Two to return - but Villa not one of them
Former Villa boss Ray Wilkins admits he can see an immediate return to the Premier League for Norwich and Newcastle - but not so for the claret and blues.
Speaking to Sky Sports News, the ex-Jordan boss thinks the Canaries and Magpies are well placed to bounce back.
“I think there could be two,” he said.
“I think Norwich are well equipped to get themselves back out of it.
“Newcastle, I’m sure Benitez will add some good British blood to it, and I think they could bounce straight back too.”
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The Mail is a trolling outfit. This isn't an insult from a disgruntled Villa fan, it's basically what their business model has become. They know the paper has a limited lifespan, and probably won't see out the decade, so their sole purpose is to generate revenue from online traffic while they can.
The best way to do that where the city's biggest football club is concerned is to stir up shit. It gets traffic from all sides - disgruntled Villa fans and obsessed knuckledraggers/bitters alike. Win-win. It does what measured, considered, objective journalism will never achieve. It winds people up, and that is as good a call to action as any in this cluttered media landscape, especially when you haven't got the resources or calibre of staff to do anything more substantial.
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Almost as high on the Mail's trolling list is the demonisation of local hate figures. White Dee, Sam Barton, the fake lottery ticket woman and now her on benefits with eight kids. The story is planted (usually by "manager Barry Tomes") that they're somehow in line for a fortune from the reality shows they're in negotiations with and the hate mail begins. The TV offers never materialise, the money never arrives and the circus moves on to another unsuspecting victim.
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I don't like to criticise fellow journalists for earning a living, but the coverage of Villa in the Mail is a world away from what you read in the Newcastle Chronicle or the Liverpool Echo about their teams. And as a long-term business proposition, it's not a brilliant look. It comes across as trolling.
And considering most of the local Newcastle press are still banned from the stadium and training facilities that's pretty good
Maybe we should do the same
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Exciting news everyone this just in....a q and a session with our very own Greg.
Why are the football authorities dragging their feet over the takeover?
It’s been a busy old time at Aston Villa since the season ended with a new manager and backroom team and a prospective new owner.
Our Villa writer Gregg Evans provides an update on the big claret and blue issues by attempting to shed light on questions the Birmingham Mail has received from supporters.
Gregg: The situation is that they are constantly asking Aston Villa for information regarding Tony Xia and Recon Group. Xia and his advisors are responding and they are simply waiting now.
These checks are very thorough. The Football League have been burnt in the past in situations at Birmingham and Leeds, where the owners have fallen into financial problems, and they don’t want a repeat of that. Tony Xia is a businessman not many people have heard of so will need investigating very heavily.
Players linked with Villa so far this summer
Where do you expect Villa to finish next season?
Gregg: Top two! I think Roberto Di Matteo and Steve Clarke are very good appointments and will work very well together. I am confident they will get enough out of the players to get them back into the Premier League.
Villa have already got half a decent team. There’s five or six players in the current squad that they can start the new season with. They need good signings around them. I think the nucleus is there.
The key is to get a couple of early wins in the first five games to give them positive momentum to build on. It will be interesting to see what the fixture computer throws up when the Championship match list is announced on June 22.
Roberto Di Matteo and Steve Clarke during their time managing Chelsea and West Bromwich Albion respectively
The management
What do you think will happen with the players that stay?
Gregg: There are a lot of players that under-performed last season and they owe a lot to that club. Even in the Championship, and with pay cuts, they are on big money deals.
Some of them would have had 50 per cent reductions but they will still be very well paid compared to other teams.
The talent is there with some of them, but the confidence wasn’t at the end of last season. It was completely shot out of them, so let’s just hope that the players who do stick around can turn their careers around and actually perform well for Villa.
Is Jack Grealish is leaving Villa?
Gregg: It’s a difficult one. His head might have been turned a little bit going into the England Under 21 tournament.
He would have seen the likes of Nathan Redmond, Lewis Baker, and other top young players who will be playing in the Premier League next year and think that he will still want to be a part of that. There are clubs that are interested in him, we know that.
You’ve got the likes of Stoke and Watford and I think other clubs have shown some interest so it could be difficult for Villa to hold on to him, but it’s a decision Grealish will have to make himself.
Aston Villa's Gabby Agbonlahor during the defeat at Manchester City
Any way back for Gabby?
Does Gabby Agbonlahor have a future at Villa?
Gregg: We will wait and see. He’s got two years left on his deal and he earns very big money so I think Gabby would struggle to find another club that would pay him that well.
He might dig his heels in and want to stick around at Villa, but he has got to do something for the cause if he is going to stay because last season was a complete no show from him.
To score just one goal is just not good enough. We all saw the problems towards the back end of the season, so he has got a lot to prove, but I think the Championship will be a lot easier for him.
What about Joleon Lescott?
Gregg: Similar situation. He has clubs interested in him in the MLS and I think Besiktas in Turkey are also looking at him.
Lescott harbours ambitions of going over to America at some point in his career, but he has got a year left on his Villa deal on good money. He might not get that money in America so he might want to stick around.
Norwich City's Patrick Bamford and Manchester City's Fernandinho battle for the ball
Wam Bam - Patrick Bamford is a target
What are Villa’s chances of signing Chelsea striker Patrick Bamford?
Gregg: He wants to leave Chelsea because he wants first team football. Last season was a disappointing one for him he was on loan at Crystal Palace and Norwich and didn’t score one Premier League goal.
He has never scored in the Premier League for that matter, but he is a proven Championship player as we have seen from his spell at Middlesbrough.
From speaking to people close to Bamford it is clear he wants to move on and play regularly this year, Villa will be one of the clubs interested in him. Di Matteo will know all about him from their Chelsea links, so it is one worth monitoring.
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Exciting news everyone this just in....a q and a session with our very own Greg.
Why are the football authorities dragging their feet over the takeover?
It’s been a busy old time at Aston Villa since the season ended with a new manager and backroom team and a prospective new owner.
Our Villa writer Gregg Evans provides an update on the big claret and blue issues by attempting to shed light on questions the Birmingham Mail has received from supporters.
Gregg: The situation is that they are constantly asking Aston Villa for information regarding Tony Xia and Recon Group. Xia and his advisors are responding and they are simply waiting now.
These checks are very thorough. The Football League have been burnt in the past in situations at Birmingham and Leeds, where the owners have fallen into financial problems, and they don’t want a repeat of that. Tony Xia is a businessman not many people have heard of so will need investigating very heavily.
Players linked with Villa so far this summer
Where do you expect Villa to finish next season?
Gregg: Top two! I think Roberto Di Matteo and Steve Clarke are very good appointments and will work very well together. I am confident they will get enough out of the players to get them back into the Premier League.
Villa have already got half a decent team. There’s five or six players in the current squad that they can start the new season with. They need good signings around them. I think the nucleus is there.
The key is to get a couple of early wins in the first five games to give them positive momentum to build on. It will be interesting to see what the fixture computer throws up when the Championship match list is announced on June 22.
Roberto Di Matteo and Steve Clarke during their time managing Chelsea and West Bromwich Albion respectively
The management
What do you think will happen with the players that stay?
Gregg: There are a lot of players that under-performed last season and they owe a lot to that club. Even in the Championship, and with pay cuts, they are on big money deals.
Some of them would have had 50 per cent reductions but they will still be very well paid compared to other teams.
The talent is there with some of them, but the confidence wasn’t at the end of last season. It was completely shot out of them, so let’s just hope that the players who do stick around can turn their careers around and actually perform well for Villa.
Is Jack Grealish is leaving Villa?
Gregg: It’s a difficult one. His head might have been turned a little bit going into the England Under 21 tournament.
He would have seen the likes of Nathan Redmond, Lewis Baker, and other top young players who will be playing in the Premier League next year and think that he will still want to be a part of that. There are clubs that are interested in him, we know that.
You’ve got the likes of Stoke and Watford and I think other clubs have shown some interest so it could be difficult for Villa to hold on to him, but it’s a decision Grealish will have to make himself.
Aston Villa's Gabby Agbonlahor during the defeat at Manchester City
Any way back for Gabby?
Does Gabby Agbonlahor have a future at Villa?
Gregg: We will wait and see. He’s got two years left on his deal and he earns very big money so I think Gabby would struggle to find another club that would pay him that well.
He might dig his heels in and want to stick around at Villa, but he has got to do something for the cause if he is going to stay because last season was a complete no show from him.
To score just one goal is just not good enough. We all saw the problems towards the back end of the season, so he has got a lot to prove, but I think the Championship will be a lot easier for him.
What about Joleon Lescott?
Gregg: Similar situation. He has clubs interested in him in the MLS and I think Besiktas in Turkey are also looking at him.
Lescott harbours ambitions of going over to America at some point in his career, but he has got a year left on his Villa deal on good money. He might not get that money in America so he might want to stick around.
Norwich City's Patrick Bamford and Manchester City's Fernandinho battle for the ball
Wam Bam - Patrick Bamford is a target
What are Villa’s chances of signing Chelsea striker Patrick Bamford?
Gregg: He wants to leave Chelsea because he wants first team football. Last season was a disappointing one for him he was on loan at Crystal Palace and Norwich and didn’t score one Premier League goal.
He has never scored in the Premier League for that matter, but he is a proven Championship player as we have seen from his spell at Middlesbrough.
From speaking to people close to Bamford it is clear he wants to move on and play regularly this year, Villa will be one of the clubs interested in him. Di Matteo will know all about him from their Chelsea links, so it is one worth monitoring.
He is the Oracle
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Is it unfair for me to dislike Gregg Evans so much? The stupid-haired twat
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Is it unfair for me to dislike Gregg Evans so much? The stupid-haired twat
yes for he is a fountain of inside knowledge , I am not sure what he does all day ??
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I took a small amount of pleasure in telling the rep that I wouldn't dream of spending a penny advertising with them ever again due to their sports coverage. To be honest she didn't seem at all surprised.
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I thought Gregg did very well there, they were very challenging questions.
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I would ask him why he does that crap thing with his hair, and is he trying to grow a moustache
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so Nathan Redmond's Norwich didn;t get relegated then, or has he already moved back to a PL club?
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I like the suggestion that Grealish will have been looking at Norwich player Redmond jealously because he's going to be in the premier league.
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Smegg is the bastard spawn of Wild Bill Baggy and Wampissjugmug Childs who both spat on a wall in Smethwick and the sun hatched him out. The Meaning Evil is the septic tank in which he wallows.
Smegg off and sink into the the cesspool of history with your wretched rag you scum sucking bottom feeder.
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I'm getting increasingly annoyed by Mail reporters calling us "the claret and blues." I have been Villa from birth and have never as far as I'm aware heard us called that before they started it. It's either The Villa, The Lions or The Villains as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm getting increasingly annoyed by Mail reporters calling us "the claret and blues." I have been Villa from birth and have never as far as I'm aware heard us called that before they started it. It's either The Villa, The Lions or The Villains as far as I'm concerned.
Absolutely agree. I can't stand that term.
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I'm getting increasingly annoyed by Mail reporters calling us "the claret and blues." I have been Villa from birth and have never as far as I'm aware heard us called that before they started it. It's either The Villa, The Lions or The Villains as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe so, but on a list of things to get annoyed about, this is pretty low right now for me.
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Claret and cobalts is acceptable.
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Not really Mail related, but Tom Ross has left Free Radio. Not retiring though.
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Prehaps Twattum has got him a job at Small Heath? or he,s the new Front of House at Glyn Purnells cafe
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If we are going for the new broom approach then Tom would make a good head of media at VP
*dons tin hat*
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Yes it's another 'world exclusive.'
The Aston Villa ticket details that scream 'Championship'
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As if playing Middlesbrough in their showpiece Villa Park friendly wasn't a stark enough sign of Aston Villa's fall from grace, it has really hit home now.
No offence to Rotherham United or Huddersfield Town (or Boro for that matter), but Villa's ticket detail announcement for the Millers and Terriers games really did scream 'Championship'.
Of course, Villa fans knew these fixtures were coming up, but now it's all become real.
Anyway, the claret and blue faithful have had plenty of time to come to terms with it, and are still expected to turn out in force when the second tier season kicks off in August.
To get your hands on tickets for the Rotherham and Huddersfield matches at Villa Park, here's all you need to know.
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Yes it's another 'world exclusive.'
The Aston Villa ticket details that scream 'Championship'
JS78708517.jpg
As if playing Middlesbrough in their showpiece Villa Park friendly wasn't a stark enough sign of Aston Villa's fall from grace, it has really hit home now.
No offence to Rotherham United or Huddersfield Town (or Boro for that matter), but Villa's ticket detail announcement for the Millers and Terriers games really did scream 'Championship'.
Of course, Villa fans knew these fixtures were coming up, but now it's all become real.
Anyway, the claret and blue faithful have had plenty of time to come to terms with it, and are still expected to turn out in force when the second tier season kicks off in August.
To get your hands on tickets for the Rotherham and Huddersfield matches at Villa Park, here's all you need to know.
Did they 'scream Championship' because Huddersfield and Rotherham are in the Championship? What a bizarre thing to say.
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They scream Championship in the same way "the Mail" screams "fifth-rate journalism" or "Ggregggg" screams "shit-haired arsebubble".
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No shit Sherlock, the Championship you say? Thanks Gregg, where would we be without your cutting edge journalism? How about you do something useful and tell us why the Gollini and Tshibola transfers haven't gone through.
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Maybe it's a reflection of the decline of local newspapers generally and lack of resources but the Mail was piss-poor over the weeks of the takeover. Obviously no contacts within the club and not an iota of a clue what was going on, no insight, just happy with linking to content from elsewhere from "grown up" papers and clickbait nonsense. Whether it was partly issues at the club and its own poor PR, I don't know. But I can understand why the circulation is rock bottom even in a city Birmingham's size.
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I'm getting increasingly annoyed by Mail reporters calling us "the claret and blues." I have been Villa from birth and have never as far as I'm aware heard us called that before they started it. It's either The Villa, The Lions or The Villains as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe so, but on a list of things to get annoyed about, this is pretty low right now for me.
jack Woodward used to use the term a fair bit too
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No shit Sherlock, the Championship you say? Thanks Gregg, where would we be without your cutting edge journalism? How about you do something useful and tell us why the Gollini and Tshibola transfers haven't gone through.
Credit where it is due Gregg, thanks for the update this morning. Gollini to sign today and Tshibola to follow apparently.
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I'm getting increasingly annoyed by Mail reporters calling us "the claret and blues." I have been Villa from birth and have never as far as I'm aware heard us called that before they started it. It's either The Villa, The Lions or The Villains as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe so, but on a list of things to get annoyed about, this is pretty low right now for me.
jack Woodward used to use the term a fair bit too
And look what happened to him
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Our hated rivals are called the Blues so why would anyone use any part of that when describing us is beyond me? I feel nauseous even at the thought of it. I read with interest when those long left Brummies say that their hatred of the putrid simmering Shit from Bordesley has been tempered by absence. Not mine. Not one bit. I'm still awaiting the day the horrible fuckwitted Vomitorium is closed forever and the stain on our fair city is removed once and for all.
And no there are no claret & ***** just the Mighty Aston Villa. Just use the name.
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Our hated rivals are called the Blues so why would anyone use any part of that when describing us is beyond me? I feel nauseous even at the thought of it. I read interest when those long left Brummies say that their hatred of the putrid simmering Shit from Bordesley has been tempered by absence. Not mine. Not one bit. I'm still awaiting the day the horrible fuckwitted Vomitorium is closed forever and the stain on our fair city is removed once and for all.
And no there are no claret & ***** just the Mighty Aston Villa. Just use the name.
Hear hear!
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I fucking hate this claret and blues thing. When the hell did it start and how do we get it to stop? We're not the fucking claret and blues.
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Who are GAK 1902? Here is a quick guide to Aston Villa's Austrian opponents
14:56, 9 JUL 2016 UPDATED 14:56, 9 JUL 2016
BY JOE HEWLETT
Roberto Di Matteo's men will kick off their pre-season preparations on Saturday
Roberto Di Matteo will kick off his Aston Villa reign with his first match in charge during the pre-season training camp in Austria.
The first opponents of the new claret and blue regime will be amateur club Grazer Athletiksport Klub 1902, more commonly known by the shortened name GAK.
Joe...
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Is Gregg Evans a football fan? And if so who does he support?
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Is Gregg Evans a football fan? And if so who does he support?
He's not a football fan. He supports the Albion.
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And now a song.
The bells are ringing
For the Aston Villa
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Is Gregg Evans a football fan? And if so who does he support?
He's not a football fan. He supports the Albion.
Thank you. Everything is so much clearer. FFS.
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Do you remember Hugh Johns used to describe the kits down to the enth detail during the commentaries. Claret shirts with blue trim etc, etc....
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Our hated rivals are called the Blues so why would anyone use any part of that when describing us is beyond me? I feel nauseous even at the thought of it. I read interest when those long left Brummies say that their hatred of the putrid simmering Shit from Bordesley has been tempered by absence. Not mine. Not one bit. I'm still awaiting the day the horrible fuckwitted Vomitorium is closed forever and the stain on our fair city is removed once and for all.
And no there are no claret & ***** just the Mighty Aston Villa. Just use the name.
Hear hear!
It's a passive aggressive thing designed to wind us up. It certainly winds me up anyway...
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It doesn't bother me that much, even if it is a wind up but that's what the Mail has become. They're best ignored.
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And now a song.
The bells are ringing
For the Aston Villa
RDM's Aston Villa army
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May be this "claret and blues" thing has come from the club...I've noticed it a couple of times in articles on the OS.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/07/08/gollini-trains
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/07/05/petrov-returns-to-training
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I've gotta be honest I don't see why so many people who are insistent that the club wear claret shirts with blue sleeves are at all bothered that we're associated with claret and blue and sometimes get referred to by those colours, not anything I can get upset about. I honestly can't see any insult in this as some seem to be implying.
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No problem with it...just sounds an bit cheesy...Roy of the Rovers...1950s...
We're The Villa.......THE VILLA!
And everybody knows it.
UTV!
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I've gotta be honest I don't see why so many people who are insistent that the club wear claret shirts with blue sleeves are at all bothered that we're associated with claret and blue and sometimes get referred to by those colours, not anything I can get upset about. I honestly can't see any insult in this as some seem to be implying.
I think they keep repeating it hoping it'll catch on. They're wasting their time. It doesn't roll off the tongue, and as others have said anything with blues" in it doesn't sit well in B6.
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No problem with it...just sounds an bit cheesy...Roy of the Rovers...1950s...
We're The Villa.......THE VILLA!
And everybody knows it.
UTV!
Oh it's cheesy as fuck and it's not a term I'd ever use myself but I just don't get why people would be upset.
I've gotta be honest I don't see why so many people who are insistent that the club wear claret shirts with blue sleeves are at all bothered that we're associated with claret and blue and sometimes get referred to by those colours, not anything I can get upset about. I honestly can't see any insult in this as some seem to be implying.
I think they keep repeating it hoping it'll catch on. They're wasting their time. It doesn't roll off the tongue, and as others have said anything with blues" in it doesn't sit well in B6.
If that's true then I'd argue that some in B6 are becoming as small time obsessed as the lot from small heath that they hate so much.
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Do you remember Hugh Johns used to describe the kits down to the enth detail during the commentaries. Claret shirts with blue trim etc, etc....
I'd guess that was just a hangover from the black and white TV days.
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I think claret and blue is an obvious part of Aston Villa and people use a teams colours a nickname all the time. It's probably one of many, names we've got/been given.
I saw one of their headlines this morning was something like "why villa's attendances will take a battering this season" - I didn't click on but seriously, fuck The Mail.
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I tend to feel more offended when people naturally associate the claret & blue colours with West Ham. If calling us the Claret & Blues means people get the message that we are the original claret & blue team then it sounds alright to me.
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I think claret and blue is an obvious part of Aston Villa and people use a teams colours a nickname all the time. It's probably one of many, names we've got/been given.
I saw one of their headlines this morning was something like "why villa's attendances will take a battering this season" - I didn't click on but seriously, fuck The Mail.
Not with us though. Wolves, Baggies and Saddlers are used for the other teams in the Midlands and we've always been Villa or maybe Villans.
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Claret & blue I don't mind, they are our colours. Claret & blues however can get tae fuck.
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that we play in claret and blue is a given. But we are not referred to as a the claret and blues. That's something the Mail are slipping into almost every article. Like somehow it is the club nickname. Have they been calling the Albion the navy blue and whites, or Birmingham the blue and whites?
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No problem with it...just sounds an bit cheesy...Roy of the Rovers...1950s...
We're The Villa.......THE VILLA!
And everybody knows it.
UTV!
Oh it's cheesy as fuck and it's not a term I'd ever use myself but I just don't get why people would be upset.
I've gotta be honest I don't see why so many people who are insistent that the club wear claret shirts with blue sleeves are at all bothered that we're associated with claret and blue and sometimes get referred to by those colours, not anything I can get upset about. I honestly can't see any insult in this as some seem to be implying.
I think they keep repeating it hoping it'll catch on. They're wasting their time. It doesn't roll off the tongue, and as others have said anything with blues" in it doesn't sit well in B6.
If that's true then I'd argue that some in B6 are becoming as small time obsessed as the lot from small heath that they hate so much.
Do u mean me? I don't give a rat's ass about them. But I don't want Villa to be called "blues" in any shape or form ta very much.
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No problem with it...just sounds an bit cheesy...Roy of the Rovers...1950s...
We're The Villa.......THE VILLA!
And everybody knows it.
UTV!
Oh it's cheesy as fuck and it's not a term I'd ever use myself but I just don't get why people would be upset.
I've gotta be honest I don't see why so many people who are insistent that the club wear claret shirts with blue sleeves are at all bothered that we're associated with claret and blue and sometimes get referred to by those colours, not anything I can get upset about. I honestly can't see any insult in this as some seem to be implying.
I think they keep repeating it hoping it'll catch on. They're wasting their time. It doesn't roll off the tongue, and as others have said anything with blues" in it doesn't sit well in B6.
If that's true then I'd argue that some in B6 are becoming as small time obsessed as the lot from small heath that they hate so much.
Do u mean me? I don't give a rat's ass about them. But I don't want Villa to be called "blues" in any shape or form ta very much.
Have you had an irony bypass?
They're not being called blues they're being called Claret and blues.
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They are trolls. They know it winds us up so they'll continue to do it. Don't read it and don't worry, the Mail will be gone soon enough.
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No problem with it...just sounds an bit cheesy...Roy of the Rovers...1950s...
We're The Villa.......THE VILLA!
And everybody knows it.
UTV!
Oh it's cheesy as fuck and it's not a term I'd ever use myself but I just don't get why people would be upset.
I've gotta be honest I don't see why so many people who are insistent that the club wear claret shirts with blue sleeves are at all bothered that we're associated with claret and blue and sometimes get referred to by those colours, not anything I can get upset about. I honestly can't see any insult in this as some seem to be implying.
I think they keep repeating it hoping it'll catch on. They're wasting their time. It doesn't roll off the tongue, and as others have said anything with blues" in it doesn't sit well in B6.
If that's true then I'd argue that some in B6 are becoming as small time obsessed as the lot from small heath that they hate so much.
Do u mean me? I don't give a rat's ass about them. But I don't want Villa to be called "blues" in any shape or form ta very much.
Have you had an irony bypass?
They're not being called blues they're being called Claret and blues.
Ok let's call ourselves the claret and blues and be done with it then.
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but what does it matter? That's what I can't work out, it's a bit shit but so is that newspaper so why is anyone bothered?
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but what does it matter? That's what I can't work out, it's a bit shit but so is that newspaper so why is anyone bothered?
Nothing really matters on here in the grand scheme of things. Shades of claret, names of stands, closure of pubs, chants, etc etc. So why bother commenting on any of it?
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That's honestly the best you can come out with from this, you're upset that we get called claret and blues because it has 'blues' in it (but not because you give a rat's ass about them) and when I ask why it matters your suggestion is along the lines of telling me not to bother posting on the site anymore.
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That's honestly the best you can come out with from this, you're upset that we get called claret and blues because it has 'blues' in it (but not because you give a rat's ass about them) and when I ask why it matters your suggestion is along the lines of telling me not to bother posting on the site anymore.
Ok. I'm bored of you now.
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Isn't the bigger issue Paul that this is our local paper. We are the biggest club comfortably in the area and they should be supporting and promoting us. They do precisely the opposite on a daily basis and further alienate the fan base who you would think they would want supporting their publication. That they are calling us claret and blues in the grand scheme of the world means nothing at all, but they are that fly that keeps buzzing around the room that you try but cannot ignore.
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Isn't the bigger issue Paul that this is our local paper. We are the biggest club comfortably in the area and they should be supporting and promoting us. They do precisely the opposite on a daily basis and further alienate the fan base who you would think they would want supporting their publication. That they are calling us claret and blues in the grand scheme of the world means nothing at all, but they are that fly that keeps buzzing around the room that you try but cannot ignore.
Yes but this is such a minor thing that it's got little bearing on that. They've done loads of really shitty things that have been mentioned in this thread but this one doesn't seem to be an intentional insult and I doubt they'd even understand why a small number of people see it as one. This is just a cheesy way to refer to the club that is basically just say what colours we wear, I wouldn't use it myself but if Gregg wants to then carry on, it's not like any of us really care about his opinions on the club anyway.
That's honestly the best you can come out with from this, you're upset that we get called claret and blues because it has 'blues' in it (but not because you give a rat's ass about them) and when I ask why it matters your suggestion is along the lines of telling me not to bother posting on the site anymore.
Ok. I'm bored of you now.
I got there long before you, I just find it amusing that you don't understand how silly you sound.
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And yet you keep replying. I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive. It's only a discussion about stupid comments in a stupid newspaper. You really need to get a life.
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If you could play nicely I'd be a lot happier.
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Sure
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And yet you keep replying. I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive. It's only a discussion about stupid comments in a stupid newspaper. You really need to get a life.
I'm not being aggressive, I simply said that I don't see how this is a problem and that if it's because the word 'blues' is involved then that's taking obsessive hatred to a frankly ridiculous level. That last bit has clearly touched a nerve with you because even though "It's only a discussion about stupid comments in a stupid newspaper" I now need to 'get a life' and you've gone hugely defensive for a few comments. I didn't actually mean anyone in particular when I said it (I didn't think there were any fans on here that were like that) but I'm now starting to wonder if you might be the type of person who checks to see if they've lost before you check our result.
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I'm calling it a day old son. Respecting the site and all that...
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but what does it matter? That's what I can't work out, it's a bit shit but so is that newspaper so why is anyone bothered?
To be honest paul it shouldn't need to be spelled. To some it means nothing but I reckon quite a few people will not like the Shits nickname mentioned in any connection to us. And quite right they are to.
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Theres a stroy on their rag this morning - clicked a link so went on there - saying "Villa new signing (Tshibola) rejected by Albion"
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Theres a stroy on their rag this morning - clicked a link so went on there - saying "Villa new signing (Tshibola) rejected by Albion"
Aaron Tshibola is so sure that Aston Villa will return to the Premier League at the first attempt that he shunned a move to the top-flight this summer.
The 21-year-old midfielder joined from Reading in a £5.5m deal after saying no to rivals Albion and fellow Championship outfit Norwich.
Tshibola felt that his personal progression would be aided by a move to Villa, especially as assistant boss Steve Clarke handed him his debut less than a year ago.
And he believes this next campaign will benefit his career in times ahead 'when, not if' the claret and blues bounce back to the top division.
“For me it was all about playing football,” he said at the pre-season training camp in Austria.
“Other clubs had bids accepted but then I knew it wasn’t the right opportunity for myself.
“When I heard about Villa, at first I thought, na, whatever (that's just speculation).
“Then when I heard that a bid had been accepted, I was over the moon.
“When I heard of the Villa interest there was only one place I wanted to go.”
Tshibola has been training hard in Austria after recovering from a hamstring injury that ended his season back in January.
And he can’t wait for the season to start.
“I’m feeling good. I’ve trained and I’m ready.
“It’s a blessing for me from God.
“I would never have thought from getting those injuries that I would be here.
“It’s a blessing. I’m thankful.
“Now it’s for me to keep myself right.”
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Isn't the bigger issue Paul that this is our local paper. We are the biggest club comfortably in the area and they should be supporting and promoting us. They do precisely the opposite on a daily basis and further alienate the fan base who you would think they would want supporting their publication. That they are calling us claret and blues in the grand scheme of the world means nothing at all, but they are that fly that keeps buzzing around the room that you try but cannot ignore.
I will always argue that no local media outlet has a duty to either support or promote us, or any other club. What they should do though is provide coverage, and that coverage should be fair and balanced. I don't want the media to report anything other than the facts, from boardroom to pitch level and this is their duty to readers and fans. Occasionally they may make an editorial decision to provide an opinion where they believe the best interests of the club and fans are not being served, but by and large a neutral brief should be the order of the day.
I can recall the Mail and Radio WM working along these lines many years ago, and while BRMB/Extra were a bit more tub-thumping so to speak, the principle remained.
In the desperate clamour for readers/listeners, many media outlets have now strayed from this line of reporting and this is true of so many national newpapers. Where there may have been a right/left slant to stories, now opinion comes before fact.
In their dying throes, reporting will become more extreme in attempt to prolong their existance. That's why we have todays Birmingham Mail and BBC WM.
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Anf why we should hasten its departure by not buying it, giving it clickbait, or listening to WM.
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Spot on.
BBC/ITV football commentators are also inclined to provide their opinions and tell viewers what players are thinking!!! when their job is to comment on the match
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Another wonderfully insightful article from our Gregg:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-telford-crowd-watch-11624026
Why even bother.
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I won't bother - can someone just give a quick precis?
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Team was woeful last season. We have great fans that travel in big numbers. We're one of the best supported teams in the country. We fans deserve something to shout about this season.
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Ta. Sounds fair enough.
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Why are the Mail convinced we really give a shit about watching Gregg Evans opining on video?
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Badly filmed videos at that.
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why oh why do they continue to call us the claret and blue we are the Villa, the Villan's and at a massive push Lions.
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I won't bother - can someone just give a quick precis?
A 'fan watch' article for a pre season game at Telford. Do they have to write a certain number of articles per week or something?
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Team was woeful last season. We have great fans that travel in big numbers. We're one of the best supported teams in the country. We fans deserve something to shout about this season.
Wasn't so much the content PWS, just questioning the need to write a 'fan watch' article about a pre season game against non-league opposition.
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why oh why do they continue to call us the claret and blue we are the Villa, the Villan's and at a massive push Lions.
Amen
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why oh why do they continue to call us the claret and blue we are the Villa, the Villan's and at a massive push Lions.
the official site are the source of it mate, this is part of the match report from telford:
As perhaps expected, the claret and blues upped the tempo and began to dictate proceedings.
the mail are just lifting it from the os
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I don't envy the writers who have to churn out these articles at ridiculous frequency but they do write some utter shite. The Internet has much to answer for.
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There's a lot of empty potential news space to fill with tripe.
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Makes you think just how little assistance they actually get from Villa Park. I would imagine very little, judging by the output.
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Claret and Blues - aaaaaghhh!
N'Zogbia was released on a free at the end of last season after a forgettable spell with the claret and blues and has been training with the Wearsiders.
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I don't read the Birmingham Mail (paper form or online edition) due to the way they report on us so it doesn't effect me.
What does bother me is the official Villa website calling us the same
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After the first match of the season, its sadly obvious that the Mail has actually got worse. I can tolerate the awful writing, the speculation without facts and even the abysmal failure to realise we are no longer a Premiership side ("Villa are a premiership side playing at Villa Park..." - yes, that is what they say) but why do they no longer give the full team news?
They only give the starting line up, not the subs used and still less the subs unused, useful information they used to give. Any one know why they only recognised 11 players today?
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Claret and Blues - aaaaaghhh!
N'Zogbia was released on a free at the end of last season after a forgettable spell with the claret and blues and has been training with the Wearsiders.
Can someone please change our Wikkipedia entry as that now refers to 'Claret and Blues' as being one of our nicknames too.... This is becoming contagious :( :( :( :( :(t
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Slightly off-topic but still related, story in the Press Gazette by a sacked writer from the Leicester Mercury railing against clickbait local journalism. Their paper was also taken over by Trinity Mirror ...
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/spiked-column-by-sacked-star-writer-on-the-leicester-mercury-railed-against-risible-standard-of-clickbait-online-journalism/
Except online advertising is hard to sell. Firms are luke warm about it, presumably because they don’t want to advertise on a website laced with non-stories masquerading as news which they can’t read because of an avalanche of ads.
And so on it goes.
Newspapers which sell fewer copies each year and websites that are so difficult to use they infuriate their readers.
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Good read Prop Joe. Thanks for the link.
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Birmingham City director Panos Pavlakis takes a cheeky pop at Aston Villa after EFL Cup exit
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Panos Pavlakis
Birmingham City director Panos Pavlakis has taken a cheeky pop at rivals Aston Villa following their EFL Cup exit.
Pavlakis took to Twitter after Villa were knocked out at the first round stage with a 3-1 defeat to League Two club Luton Town.
Blues are also licking their wounds after a 1-0 extra time defeat to Oxford United, of League One, at St Andrew's last night.
It means there will be no repeat of last season's League Cup derby at Villa Park, so the Second City neighbours will have to make do with meeting twice in the Championship instead.
Moments after the final whistled signalled Villa's defeat at Kenilworth Road, which was screened live on Sky Sports, Pavlakis tweeted: "Quiet night with the bcfc lads. Anything on TV tonight?"
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Blimey, even their directors are obsessed with us.
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Noticed that professional Villa hater Colin Tattum in that photo as well. Celebrating the night after they lost at home to little Oxford in front of 6,000 Small Heath fans.
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Noticed that professional Villa hater Colin Tattum in that photo as well. Celebrating the night after they lost at home to little Oxford in front of 6,000 Small Heath fans.
Maybes the rest of them took the night off to have their monthly shower
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Just imagine an article like this being written about one of our neighbours, said no one ever.
Opinion: Why Birmingham City are performing better in the Championship than Aston Villa and Wolves
11:53, 14 SEP 2016 UPDATED 11:54, 14 SEP 2016
BY STEVE WOLLASTON
A close look at why it is going right for Blues compared to their big-spending neighbours
The simple answer is of course, they have more points.
The Championship however is a far more complex beast.
One that Blues understand well.
That understanding has grown from the studious approach of Gary Rowett who has built a team with a solidity and team ethic that matches what the Championship requires.
Wolves and Villa have spent money, lots of it.
Wolves went for the wild and manic approach of buying players from all over Europe and hoping that it sticks under the guidance of controversial managerial choice Walter Zenga.
Walter Zenga manager / head coach of Wolverhampton Wanderers grabs the match ballWalter Zenga manager / head coach of Wolverhampton Wanderers grabs the match ball
It will take that team a long time to settle in, even more so with the talk that Zenga almost favours a different Saturday team a changed Tuesday team.
That's as preposterous as anyone believing he has anything to do with the signings on the pitch.
Villa have been more measured, but equally as ambitious.
Big money signings have come in with the club even breaking the Championship transfer record twice.
Players have departed, mostly with their tails between their legs.
Birmingham City goalkeeper Adam Legzdins has this to say after his 'very easy job'
The similarity with Wolves is there for all to see though, wholesale changes that have seen their team for this season barely resembling the ones that finished last season.
That's a good and a bad thing.
You may have eleven players that are as hopeless as the day is long, the change however has to be handled carefully.
Wolves have handled it wrong, Villa have handled it better.
The teams are now a disjointed mess that need to meld and knit together.
And they need to do that in the cauldron of the hardest league in the world.
Or certainly one of them, you see, the Championship takes no prisoners.
Wolves know that and know the league explicitly, at least they did under the guidance of the shred Jez Moxey.
Now they are rudderless, in stormy waters, albeit with a bostin' new boat.
The Championship requires consistency from a team, and unity.
That unity comes from trust, graft and togetherness amongst a group of players, and damn good coaching.
The necessary reasoned approach, stability and solidity is now what the two teams must focus on.
There are teams in the past that have done well and even been promoted from this league that have had inferior teams compared to others.
It happens a lot, and that's because they tick the boxes needed.
Teams have to be able to get in the trenches, play ugly and play dirty.
They can switch on the pace and style when they have to, and they have to be clinical.
Any fan of the two teams can see where they are going wrong in these areas.
Villa have all the components to compete in this league and the chances they are creating show that they will be a real threat.
Nottingham Forest and others this season though have shown them the importance of being clinical.
There is the need to find that knack of being streetwise enough to see out those games, that should come with the purchases of tried and trusted Championship players.
Wolves? They lack the shape at the moment, despite sitting higher in the table.
They have to find what works for them in terms of the players and the shape of the team, and fast.
Birmingham City's Gary Rowett at Reading
So what about Blues? This article is about them too.
Blues are already ahead of both teams in many key areas.
Gary Rowett is slowly evolving his team, adding here and there, and trimming where he needs to.
Blues are like a Bonsai Tree, in the safe capable hands of Mr Miyagi and his tiny tweezers, continuing to grow, slowly, but surely.
The financial situation at Blues means they can't compete with Villa and Wolves in terms of signings, but that isn't always what the Championship requires.
That's not to say Rowett wouldn't want more money, he would of course.
I don't think that the Blues boss would attempt to ever rebuild Blues in such a gung-ho fashion, and after years of instability, Blues are finally in a place where they don't need to.
The league position is no fluke.
Gary Rowett knows the league, he knows the capabilities of his team, and he knows how to make sure they are well-prepared for battle.
A battle that Villa and Wolves are yet to turn up.
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Genuinely, that looks as though it was written by an A Level student, or intern. I can't believe a professional organisation has allowed that to be put out! Maybe on the original you'll be able to spot the finger spaces too, in between the 10 word long sentences. And that's before you even get to the content, the slanted nature of which has been highlighted so much on here. Dreadful.
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No doubt they've got the youtube clip on their site of the young person in the Villa top having abuse etc hurled at them on Saturday at Euston Station?
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No doubt they've got the youtube clip on their site of the young person in the Villa top having abuse etc hurled at them on Saturday at Euston Station?
They do.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-lone-aston-villa-fan-11875569
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Regarding the article by known Villa hater Wollaston - he's jumping the gun a bit isn't he? Also, didn't Wolves turn Blues over on their own patch just a couple of weeks ago?
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Article today celebrating the 14th anniversary of a game.
Where are they now? The Birmingham City side who put Aston Villa to the sword in 3-0 St Andrew's win
We take a look at what the Birmingham City team from that night 14 years ago are doing now.
Fourteen years ago today Birmingham City supporters were in Blue heaven when their side hammered Aston Villa 3-0 at St Andrew’s.
It was a game memorable not only for the fact it was the first league meeting between the teams in nearly 16 years - but also for a certain goalkeeping error.
It is with a Happy Peter Enckelman Day to Bluenoses that we ask ‘Where are those players now?’
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Article today celebrating the 14th anniversary of a game.
Where are they now? The Birmingham City side who put Aston Villa to the sword in 3-0 St Andrew's win
We take a look at what the Birmingham City team from that night 14 years ago are doing now.
Fourteen years ago today Birmingham City supporters were in Blue heaven when their side hammered Aston Villa 3-0 at St Andrew’s.
It was a game memorable not only for the fact it was the first league meeting between the teams in nearly 16 years - but also for a certain goalkeeping error.
It is with a Happy Peter Enckelman Day to Bluenoses that we ask ‘Where are those players now?’
Wow.
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Happy Peter Enckelman day? Really?
Oh why am I surprised?
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Regarding the article by known Villa hater Wollaston - he's jumping the gun a bit isn't he? Also, didn't Wolves turn Blues over on their own patch just a couple of weeks ago?
Now now, we can't have facts getting in the way of a good article.
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They could have an article marking the anniversary of every time we've trounced them, trouble is, they'd need to reprint it every three or four days.
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Article today celebrating the 14th anniversary of a game.
Where are they now? The Birmingham City side who put Aston Villa to the sword in 3-0 St Andrew's win
We take a look at what the Birmingham City team from that night 14 years ago are doing now.
Fourteen years ago today Birmingham City supporters were in Blue heaven when their side hammered Aston Villa 3-0 at St Andrew’s.
It was a game memorable not only for the fact it was the first league meeting between the teams in nearly 16 years - but also for a certain goalkeeping error.
It is with a Happy Peter Enckelman Day to Bluenoses that we ask ‘Where are those players now?’
Wow.
Hammered ? As I remember it, even though they may have shaded the first half and justifiably led at half time 1-0, after the interval it was all Villa until the comedy of errors a la melborg and enckeleman - I seem to remember their third by Horsefield came shortly after while we were still in shock.
Beaten by a better side on the night - yes
Hammered - certainly not
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While it's pathetic by that rag, for me it shows the gulf between the clubs and can be summed up perfectly in one sentence.
We have Rotterdam Day, they have Enckelman Day.
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Article today celebrating the 14th anniversary of a game.
Where are they now? The Birmingham City side who put Aston Villa to the sword in 3-0 St Andrew's win
We take a look at what the Birmingham City team from that night 14 years ago are doing now.
Fourteen years ago today Birmingham City supporters were in Blue heaven when their side hammered Aston Villa 3-0 at St Andrew’s.
It was a game memorable not only for the fact it was the first league meeting between the teams in nearly 16 years - but also for a certain goalkeeping error.
It is with a Happy Peter Enckelman Day to Bluenoses that we ask ‘Where are those players now?’
Wow.
Hammered ? As I remember it, even though they may have shaded the first half and justifiably led at half time 1-0, after the interval it was all Villa until the comedy of errors a la melborg and enckeleman - I seem to remember their third by Horsefield came shortly after while we were still in shock.
Beaten by a better side on the night - yes
Hammered - certainly not
Didn't we have a goal very dubiously ruled out for offside when it was 1-0?
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Article today celebrating the 14th anniversary of a game.
Where are they now? The Birmingham City side who put Aston Villa to the sword in 3-0 St Andrew's win
We take a look at what the Birmingham City team from that night 14 years ago are doing now.
Fourteen years ago today Birmingham City supporters were in Blue heaven when their side hammered Aston Villa 3-0 at St Andrew’s.
It was a game memorable not only for the fact it was the first league meeting between the teams in nearly 16 years - but also for a certain goalkeeping error.
It is with a Happy Peter Enckelman Day to Bluenoses that we ask ‘Where are those players now?’
Wow.
Hammered ? As I remember it, even though they may have shaded the first half and justifiably led at half time 1-0, after the interval it was all Villa until the comedy of errors a la melborg and enckeleman - I seem to remember their third by Horsefield came shortly after while we were still in shock.
Beaten by a better side on the night - yes
Hammered - certainly not
Didn't we have a goal very dubiously ruled out for offside when it was 1-0?
Yes - Vassell
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It was definitely offside though. I also remember De La Cruz hitting the crossbar as well, so it wasn't all one way despite what the Mail would have you believe. If they want to reminisce about a real hammering though they could always talk about the 5-1 scoreline.
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The Mail, the bitters, the scum. I don't care for any of them. Another non story. Clickbait to make the knuckle draggers happy. Enjoy, it's all you have.
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What always bothers me and you can't discuss this with a nose without sounding bitter is that Enk never touched the ball from Mellbergs throw. Strictly according to the rules of association football that cannot result in a goal - it should not have counted. However it did and is still regarded as one of Small Heaths greatest moments.
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What always bothers me and you can't discuss this with a nose without sounding bitter is that Enk never touched the ball from Mellbergs throw. Strictly according to the rules of association football that cannot result in a goal - it should not have counted. However it did and is still regarded as one of Small Heaths greatest moments.
Yup, should have been a corner. Problem was Enks reaction, he obviously didn;t know the rules. He should have just confidently picked it up and threw it towards the corner flag, wagging his finger saying he never touched it.
Talk about an incident that completely destroyed a promising goalkeeper's career.
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What always bothers me and you can't discuss this with a nose without sounding bitter is that Enk never touched the ball from Mellbergs throw. Strictly according to the rules of association football that cannot result in a goal - it should not have counted. However it did and is still regarded as one of Small Heaths greatest moments.
Yup, should have been a corner. Problem was Enks reaction, he obviously didn;t know the rules. He should have just confidently picked it up and threw it towards the corner flag, wagging his finger saying he never touched it.
Talk about an incident that completely destroyed a promising goalkeeper's career.
and didn't Pete get a welcome to the Sty wanker sign and slap around the face too ?
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What always bothers me and you can't discuss this with a nose without sounding bitter is that Enk never touched the ball from Mellbergs throw. Strictly according to the rules of association football that cannot result in a goal - it should not have counted. However it did and is still regarded as one of Small Heaths greatest moments.
Yup, should have been a corner. Problem was Enks reaction, he obviously didn;t know the rules. He should have just confidently picked it up and threw it towards the corner flag, wagging his finger saying he never touched it.
Talk about an incident that completely destroyed a promising goalkeeper's career.
and didn't Pete get a welcome to the Sty wanker sign and slap around the face too ?
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The Doc
Yep at least that feral got what he deserved.
I see a lot of similarities between Gollo and Enckelman, both young lads, decent shot stoppers thrown in to a pressure situation - if there is any justice our new number one will have a stormer on halloween and win us the game hopefully with a goal from either a goal kick or a last minute volley Peter Schmeichel style. He will then take a booking as he reveals a t-shirt with Shit on Paul Tait written on it.
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Didn't the ref (Ellary?) try and bullshit his way out of it by saying it touched the bottom of his boot?
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Small time club, small time newspaper
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Small time club, small time newspaper
Each an embarrassment to the city.
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Didn't the ref (Ellary?) try and bullshit his way out of it by saying it touched the bottom of his boot?
It was Ellery, who was already up in the Blues half and in some replays, doesn't seem to be looking at the ball at the time.
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In fairness it's difficult to make a decision when you had several hundred of them running around on the pitch. He'd have probably been attacked if he'd had given a corner.
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It was definitely offside though. I also remember De La Cruz hitting the crossbar as well, so it wasn't all one way despite what the Mail would have you believe. If they want to reminisce about a real hammering though they could always talk about the 5-1 scoreline.
Dazzler was put through by Darren Purse, it was a legitimate goal.
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They barely try and hide the snide digs nowadays.
There are plenty of reasons why Gary Rowett to Aston Villa wasn't going to happen, these are the key ones
Gary Rowett won't be moving top Aston Villa, it's fair to say that it was never on the cards though.
We understand that the Birmingham City boss will be staying put and there was never any suggestion that he would be on the shortlist for the Villa Park role.
There are plenty of reasons why Rowett was never likely to make the switch, here are the key ones.
New look
Gary Rowett is settled at Blues and has just refashioned his first-team, he has moved from a 4-2-3-1 system to a new 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 shape.
He will be keen to see how this pans out for Blues.
Better placed
There is the small matter of Blues sitting in sixth place in the Championship.
Despite the riches on offer at Villa, there is also a great degree of turbulence too.
That has never been more evident than in the league position.
Blues are currently better placed for promotion than Villa and nobody wants a crack at that glory more than Rowett.
Love
Birmingham City's manager Gary Rowett celebrates after the game against Sheffield Wednesday
Birmingham City's manager Gary Rowett celebrates after the game against Sheffield Wednesday
This is a job that means the world to Rowett, it's a job that is more than a job.
When asked by Brian Dick about the Derby links recently, he said: "All I can talk about is the present and the present is I love my job, I have said it before.
“I look at the previous people that have had this role as manager of Birmingham City and there are some fantastic managers that you almost don’t feel as you should actually be holding the same position as those.
“I am very fortunate to have done it and I appreciate that. That’s all I am looking at.”
The recent WM phone in with the fans highlights the adulation that Rowett has from the fans, that is a clear bond that the manager would not wish to break with a move to the local rivals.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Ambition and aspirations are not a key factor for Rowett in any other way than he wants to succeed with Blues.
Squad depth and progression
The manager has more attacking options than ever before in his managerial career.
He now has multiple options, at No 10, three wingers, four central midfielders, four strikers.
Being manager of Blues is no longer necessarily the one arm tied behind the back slog it once was.
The depth and quality of his squad could get even better when the takeover goes through on Oct 17.
No-one's expecting an open cheque book but more investment has been promised.
Rowett would want to be in place to utilise that.
Bond with fans is still very, very strong.
There has been some criticism of his substitutions - and a hostile reaction to Wolves defeat - but it's still largely 'Gary, Gary give us a wave' and the recent WM phone in remained as much a love in as last season's.
Staff
It's not just his career he's mindful of, he's very much one of a four-man team with Kevin Summerfield, Mark Sale and Kevin Poole, who all seem very settled and working extremely well as a back-room staff.
He has autonomy with the team.
No chairman telling him which players to pick, no interference from the boardroom.
Relief
Blues fans will breathe a sigh of relief.
It would have been the worst possible scenario for Rowett to leave for Villa, but in reality it would never be on the cards.
Had Rowett been a manager of any other Championship club, it's feasible that Villa would consider him.
The way it stands, a Rowett appointment would risk a backlash from sections of both sets of fans.
That isn't something that Villa need at the moment, but even if they had tested the waters, it would have been a fruitless attempt at stealing their neighbour's prize apples.
Gary Rowett will one day be a Premier League manager, maybe even an international manager.
He has every attribute that a top quality manager needs, now Villa must try and find the same formula for Villa Park.
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Reads like a Small Heath fanzine article.
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I missed the bit where we actually offered him the job.
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The sign of an irrelevant club is getting excited over being above your local rivals in the league.
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They're not even trying to hide it now...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-david-wagner-cheeky-11984390#rlabs=3%20rt$category%20p$6
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That's not even remotely funny.
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Well that is fucking horrendous.
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Why would your own local paper publish that load of shit if there isn't an agenda against the club.
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I'm embarrassed for both 'newspapers'.
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Aston Villa will be here long after the Birmingham Mail has folded. Fuck those rats.
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It is becoming clearer by the day that we need a campaign against our fans accessing their website, and a good start would be discouraging links to it.
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Bang out of order that
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Disgrace
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I've asked numerous times for folks to copy and paste the article so as they don't get the clicks.
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I haven't particularly picked up on any anti-Villa bias BUT it's an absolute salacious rag of a piece of effing shite, the article today about potential Villa managers had every shit-stirring, lazy, poorly written and cliché and misconception going (ie Bruce would have a hard time cos' he's ex-Blouse etc etc). Only the S** is worse.
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A pretend whatsapp conversation? Is that seriously what they do to create articles now? Possibly the shittest thing they've done so far.
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any one know where the Birmingham mail get their info from? regarding Aston Villa, have the mail got Any journalists?
my reason for asking is just had a look at there on-line version, and im thinking they Dont do any research at all. seems they get their info from sites like this.
I havent bought a copy of the paper since it stopped being the Evening Mail.
I read the comments from a few readers regarding there article on Aston Villa and they were all slagging the paper off, because it was just regurgitated news from the Telegraph.
absolute rag.
I enjoy the Telegraph for political news and updates. Birmingham Mail keeps me quite well informed online but they don't seem to necessarily have the finger on the pulse. It's an easy read though. Sky Sports is always the one to keep an eye on for me - it's unlikely to be rubbish they are reporting and you can rely on it to be accurate and quick.
From a relative lehman..
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Aston Villa will be here long after the Birmingham Mail has folded. Fuck those rats.
what the rags still going???
whats the circulation now???
I heard on the news today that this year news paper sales were down 19%
as going concern the rag is finished.
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That the Mail published that article by send us the Bill Howell after the FAC QF confirmed for me quite how low its standards are now. I doubt any other local paper has ever published such a disgraceful article as that one.
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Remember the digs. Remember the piss taking.
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They are rags and the newspaper is a rag, they are made for each other. I agree with PWS, just don't even click on the link as that is all they are after, they are just peasants.
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Whilst I don't expect them to be singing our praises in the current circumstances, you'd expect them not to act like the equivalent of a teenagers blog. No doubt it will be re-tweeted by one or two of their journalists that should know better.
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Whilst I don't expect them to be singing our praises in the current circumstances, you'd expect them not to act like the equivalent of a teenagers blog. No doubt it will be re-tweeted by one or two of their journalists that should know better.
There's no journalism apparent.
Look at what has been happening at both Villa and blues for the last 6-7 years. Once, Mail journos would have been demanding answers and asking pertinent and difficult to answer questions.
Now it's all bantz in order to generate clicks. Engage people emotionally first, worry about content later, or not at all.
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Again, why read it?
The same with BBC WM, why listen?
You know they are anti Villa so just don't look/listen.
Fuck 'em
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Again, why read it?
The same with BBC WM, why listen?
You know they are anti Villa so just don't look/listen.
Fuck 'em
I totally agree with this, fuck the fuckers!
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Mat's their football editor. The Villa man is Gregg Evans.
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Mat's their football editor. The Villa man is Gregg Evans.
If Mat's their football editor and supposedly keen on Villa, and Gregg is the "Villa man" why would either allow that to posted online?
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With any luck the appointment will be a good one and shut these wankers up.
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Why would your own local paper publish that load of shit if there isn't an agenda against the club.
Because there seems to be a Small Heath and Sandwell agenda in the sports section of that paper and they know that their fellow Villa obsessives lap that kind of stuff up. Just trying to work out which one of them is going under the name Rory Benson though.
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The Sunday MuckRacker used to come out with anti Villa propaganda all the time, but the Mail used to seem impartial. That piece just strikes of some sad arse-wipe bluenose telling them self they haven't got an inferior complex about us , but hiding the complex behind some lame humour.
Fill your boots lads and whilst you're at it , try and fill your ground as you push for promotion , or take as many fans to away games as we do.
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What always bothers me and you can't discuss this with a nose without sounding bitter is that Enk never touched the ball from Mellbergs throw. Strictly according to the rules of association football that cannot result in a goal - it should not have counted. However it did and is still regarded as one of Small Heaths greatest moments.
Yup, should have been a corner. Problem was Enks reaction, he obviously didn;t know the rules. He should have just confidently picked it up and threw it towards the corner flag, wagging his finger saying he never touched it.
Talk about an incident that completely destroyed a promising goalkeeper's career.
Your right. Makes you wonder how a professional keeper can play in the premier league and not know the rules? Still who cares after 14 years? Hope the scumbag Mail & the hard of thinking sty dwellers have enjoyed their day. It will be that much sweeter when the Doc gets it right and we can once again laugh loudly at all the haters. We'll be back.
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The Mail isn't a newspaper anymore, it is just a collection of increasingly desperate tweets (see their stuff about the 'rivalry' with Newcastle the other week) aimed at dragging people to a page on their site where you will struggle to find the actual content, there is so much advertising there, and even if you do find it, it's just any old shit regurgitated from elsewhere on the internet.
It's depressing to see what it has become.
They also seem obsessed with video. I find it hard to believe many people give a shit about what Greggggg Evans thinks about the latest topic of discussion enough to read about it, let alone sit through several adverts and then a 2 minute clip of him talking about it.
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What I don't get is the likes of that utter clown Wollaston and the prick that was Twattum and that other gobshite that used to be allowed a section in the argus roger someone I think could/can all say what they like about the villa yet our own Matt Kendrick never seems to be able to do the same? It's all well and good saying rise above it but their contempt for us isn't even hidden these days.
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It's a dreadful newspaper. It's main use being to put inside wet shoes after heavy rain. Greg Evans is such a smarmy bellslap. So much so that he isn't even good enough to put in a wet shoe.
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I don't buy it,don't read it and stopped going on the website. Nothing to do with any perceived anti Villa stuff, more to do with the fact the paper and it's website are crap.
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Kippax Villa 2, I think the Roger you were thinking of was Mr Skidmore? Never slow in writing a " balance of power is shifting " bit ...after a few defeats for us or a few wins for Small Heath.
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What I don't get is the likes of that utter clown Wollaston and the prick that was Twattum and that other gobshite that used to be allowed a section in the argus roger someone I think could/can all say what they like about the villa yet our own Matt Kendrick never seems to be able to do the same? It's all well and good saying rise above it but their contempt for us isn't even hidden these days.
Because the Mail know what generates traffic.
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Have they ever done a worse article than the Huddersfield manager text? Absolutely dire. I'll add it to the other rags that I don't buy, read or click on.
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Not that the mail, but I enjoyed this dissection of the 'logic' employed by Robbie savage and thought others might. Savage was mouthing off about why Ryan giggs didn't get the Swansea job.
Luckily for savage, the requirement that you have to actually be good at your job doesn't extend to punditry and you can make a career out of it just by having played the game, even if you can't structure a logical argument or offer any insights. See also Dion Dublin, Jamie redknapp, Paul Walsh . . .
http://www.football365.com/news/mediawatch-extra-robbie-savage-on-giggs
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Remi Garde on why Aston Villa job was a "trap"
Joseph Chapman13:11, 9 Oct 2016
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Aston Villa manager Remi Garde after the 6-0 defeat to Liverpool at Villa Park
Remi Garde has admitted he'd be open to returning to England one day, though to a more stable club that Villa!
The Frenchman's doomed tenure at Villa Park began November last year, but he was gone by March this year, having failed to propel the claret and blues up and away to safety.
Garde described the hot-seat vacated by Tim Sherwood at the time as a "trap", something he wasn't able to recognise before he took the job.
But he admits the experience has served to teach him a lesson, though he would come back to these shores if the appropriate opportunity arose.
“I desire to lead again," he told Téléfoot Sunday (via translation).
“I would return to England in better conditions than Aston Villa .
“Yes it looked like a trap, that I was not able to uncover before accepting.
Aston Villa boss Remi Garde during the defeat to Swansea City
Aston Villa boss Remi Garde during the defeat to Swansea City
“I was too excited, it will serve me a lesson.
“I left Lyon on very good terms. I think I can say that I have friends there.
“In the short term it is not an immediate goal of returning to Lyon, but in the medium term I would not be against a return.”
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If I was dead good at the internet I would make an amusing meme with Remi Garde dressed as Admiral Ackbar saying "it's a trap!"
I'm not though.
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There was a guy in my halls of residence who looked like admiral Akbar
I think he was single if I recall correctly
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Many Bothans died to bring us that information.
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Don't get cocky kid!
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It's as if 30,000 Villa fans suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
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Blues fan used his blog in today's Birmingham Mail to talk about - you've guessed it - Aston Villa. Apparently Villa could never match the 'magic' of a Birmingham City.
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Blues fan used his blog in today's Birmingham Mail to talk about - you've guessed it - Aston Villa. Apparently Villa could never match the 'magic' of a Birmingham City.
I read that and laughed out loud. They've been above us for a few weeks and suddenly we're living in their shadow.
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Blues fan used his blog in today's Birmingham Mail to talk about - you've guessed it - Aston Villa. Apparently Villa could never match the 'magic' of a Birmingham City.
Magic, in that they continue to disappear every couple of years or so into a different league?
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Blues fan used his blog in today's Birmingham Mail to talk about - you've guessed it - Aston Villa. Apparently Villa could never match the 'magic' of a Birmingham City.
Magic, in that they continue to disappear every couple of years or so into a different league?
Their supporters make themselves invisible too.
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Birmingham Mail are sharing us the opinions of that great ex striker and now excellent pundit Mick Quinn on our impending managerial appointment.
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Birmingham Mail are sharing us the opinions of that great ex striker and now excellent pundit Mick Quinn on our impending managerial appointment.
Cutting edge journalism
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Blues fan used his blog in today's Birmingham Mail to talk about - you've guessed it - Aston Villa. Apparently Villa could never match the 'magic' of a Birmingham City.
Magic, in that they continue to disappear every couple of years or so into a different league?
Their supporters make themselves invisible too.
And they've managed to saw their attendance figures in half.
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They really are utter scum.
Aston Villa owner Dr Tony Xia piles pressure on Steve Bruce from the off
20:06, 12 Oct 2016 Updated 20:06, 12 Oct 2016 By Paul Suart
BRUCEL.jpgITV
Steve Bruce
Aston Villa owner Dr Tony Xia has made it crystal clear what he expects new manager Steve Bruce to achieve - promotion!
Bruce takes up the managerial reigns from Roberto Di Matteo who was sacked after a dismal start to the season which left the claret and blues 19th in the Championship.
The former Hull City boss is the only manager to have achieved more than two promotions to the Premier League and even has FOUR on his CV.
P
Minutes after Bruce was confirmed, Dr Xia was on Twitter to welcome the Geordie to the fold.
But Dr Xia did not end it there.
Four minutes later, the Chinese businessman spelled out what he expected of the former Blues boss.
MEDIA
LIKES
Dr. Tony Xia's Tweets
Dr. Tony Xia
1h
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
#givemefive!
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Apparently this is Tony "piling on the pressure" and also "the Chinese businessman spelled out what he expected of the former Blues boss"
Dr. Tony XiaVerified account
@Dr_TonyXia Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Aston Villa FC
Give me FIVE! #WelcomeSteve
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That's what I was trying to post.....badly! Enraged of Solihull!
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Apparently this is Tony "piling on the pressure" and also "the Chinese businessman spelled out what he expected of the former Blues boss"
Dr. Tony XiaVerified account
@Dr_TonyXia Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Aston Villa FC
Give me FIVE! #WelcomeSteve
I think they might have a point. Expecting 5 wins is a lot.
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I thought it was referring to a 5 year contract;)
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Matt Kendrick of the Meaning Evil quoting the Daily Express that we are monitoring Ched Evans.
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Matt Kendrick of the Meaning Evil quoting the Daily Express that we are monitoring Ched Evans.
The good news just keeps coming.
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Matt Kendrick of the Meaning Evil quoting the Daily Express that we are monitoring Ched Evans.
The good news just keeps coming.
You do realise that there may not be any truth in it whatsoever?
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Matt Kendrick of the Meaning Evil quoting the Daily Express that we are monitoring Ched Evans.
The good news just keeps coming.
You do realise that there may not be any truth in it whatsoever?
Of course, but my faith in disappointment tells me to expect to see him shirt stretching on Jan 1st.
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I'm sort of expecting to see Joey Barton at B6 some time soon. Just a feeling.
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The Dr soon squashed that sad little "story" from the Mail.
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I'm sort of expecting to see Joey Barton at B6 some time soon. Just a feeling.
I've thought that for a while now and I wouldn't be against it either. Our midfield is as weak as water and he'd be a good quick fix. We should snap him up if he's available.
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I'm sort of expecting to see Joey Barton at B6 some time soon. Just a feeling.
I've thought that for a while now and I wouldn't be against it either. Our midfield is as weak as water and he'd be a good quick fix. We should snap him up if he's available.
Quick fixes for us usually do nothing to address the issue at hand, at then turn into long term problems themselves.
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An article there now consists of
"Tony's Daily" with "this is Tony's latest tweet".
Must be stressful working with such difficult tasks
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I am monitoring the work of Ged Scott (BBC Midlands). Alerted by his text commentary on the BBC website which is my chosen method of 'supporting' Villa these days..I go to the computer every 15 minutes or so. I squint through the gaps between my fingers that cover my eyes. Ready to flinch, prepared for my heart to sink a little bit. I used to embrace the matchday. Present myself to Villa Park proudly and in good spirits. Now I timidly scurry to the laptop both nervous and ashamed. Press refresh, glance, and then scurry back to whatever domestic task is 'taking my mind off it'.
Anyway back to Ged Scott. In his match commentary for our game with Wolves he says Steve Bruce teams are known to keep right on to the end of the road. And then his match report he spouts this annoying piece of pointless drivel "On a day when Bruce's side began the game in the Championship's bottom three thanks to the day's earlier results, they ended it in 20th - nine points behind his old club Birmingham City, who occupy the last of the four play-off places".
Whats the point of saying that and phrasing it that way if not just to annoy? He could've said "He gained a point on his old club Birmingham City", which would be equally daft but choosing the 'nine points behind' route just shows these journalists go out of their way to annoy... Oh, and it works, it really works.
I've carried out a brief audit of Ged Scott. He is a Liverpool supporter from Wales. I shall be tracking his efforts as the season progresses.
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I'm sort of expecting to see Joey Barton at B6 some time soon. Just a feeling.
I've thought that for a while now and I wouldn't be against it either. Our midfield is as weak as water and he'd be a good quick fix. We should snap him up if he's available.
The same as Richards and Lescott were good fixes to the weak defence. He is as much a trouble maker as those ones have been anyway.
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I'm sort of expecting to see Joey Barton at B6 some time soon. Just a feeling.
I've thought that for a while now and I wouldn't be against it either. Our midfield is as weak as water and he'd be a good quick fix. We should snap him up if he's available.
The same as Richards and Lescott were good fixes to the weak defence. He is as much a trouble maker as those ones have been anyway.
Well he didn't do too badly at Burnley last season. And I don't go with the 'it didn't work last time so we should never try it again' routine either. Our midfield is laughably bad and it needs fixing even if it's for the short term.
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Meiereles is still available. I thought he was going to Bournemouth. Seemingly not.
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Barton wouldn't be able to join until January anyway.
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I'm sort of expecting to see Joey Barton at B6 some time soon. Just a feeling.
I've thought that for a while now and I wouldn't be against it either. Our midfield is as weak as water and he'd be a good quick fix. We should snap him up if he's available.
The same as Richards and Lescott were good fixes to the weak defence. He is as much a trouble maker as those ones have been anyway.
To be fair to them, they were - for all of about 60 minutes at Leicester and then it was downhill all the way from there.
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I'm sort of expecting to see Joey Barton at B6 some time soon. Just a feeling.
I've thought that for a while now and I wouldn't be against it either. Our midfield is as weak as water and he'd be a good quick fix. We should snap him up if he's available.
The same as Richards and Lescott were good fixes to the weak defence. He is as much a trouble maker as those ones have been anyway.
Well he didn't do too badly at Burnley last season. And I don't go with the 'it didn't work last time so we should never try it again' routine either. Our midfield is laughably bad and it needs fixing even if it's for the short term.
Unless it means buying unproven players in which case you do have problems with that.
In Bartons book, Dyche is pretty much the only manager he liked. I expect that was why he wanted to play for him and do his best. But pretty much everywhere else he has been, trouble has followed.
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If it's the case that Brucie-babe (did I really just type that?) gets on well with the players, then JB might fancy working under him. We're probably the biggest club he could hope for at this stage of his career.
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A violent mass brawl took place on 16 July in Wenlock Road, Aston. Details have just been released. The Mail headline is "Police: Shocking armed mass brawl took place near Villa Park".
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I happened to pick up a free copy on the Monday after the derby, it was laughably one sided, like what I image the SHA fanzine would be like.
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I happened to pick up a free copy on the Monday after the derby, it was laughably one sided, like what I image the SHA fanzine would be like.
Check out this Mondays edition to see if they're campaigning for Hudddrsfield to claim all three points, as they had more shots and more possession.
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A violent mass brawl took place on 16 July in Wenlock Road, Aston. Details have just been released. The Mail headline is "Police: Shocking armed mass brawl took place near Villa Park".
Nothing wrong with that as Villa Park is a landmark an helps people reading to approximate location.
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A violent mass brawl took place on 16 July in Wenlock Road, Aston. Details have just been released. The Mail headline is "Police: Shocking armed mass brawl took place near Villa Park".
Nothing wrong with that as Villa Park is a landmark an helps people reading to approximate location.
....but any one reading the headline would presume that Villa fans were involved, especially so close to a derby match.
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Presumably then every arrest in Digbeth and Small Heath takes place near St Andrews.
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A violent mass brawl took place on 16 July in Wenlock Road, Aston. Details have just been released. The Mail headline is "Police: Shocking armed mass brawl took place near Villa Park".
Nothing wrong with that as Villa Park is a landmark an helps people reading to approximate location.
In case they're left wondering where Aston is?
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Birmingham Mail
Pub used by Blues fans to ambush Villa supporters and police licence suspended
West Midlands Police were forced to draft in more than 75 officers and police dogs in derby trouble
ByNick McCarthy
17:00, 18 NOV 2016Updated14:48, 18 NOV 2016
A Birmingham pub has had its licence suspended after police officers were pelted with glasses and bottles when “serious disorder” broke out after the Blues Villa derby match last month.
West Midlands Police were forced to draft in more than 75 officers and police dogs to try and control a large group of Birmingham City fans who were drinking outside the White Tower pub after the match on October 30.
The force said “risk supporters” were lying in wait at the venue because they knew it was on the route officers were using to escort Aston Villa fans back to Duddeston train station.
It told an expedited licence review hearing on November 3 that officers were forced to use batons to move the fans away from the Nechells pub in order to prevent violent clashes between the two sets of rival supporters.
It went on to say that specialist police spotters had identified risk supporters inside the Lawley Middleway venue and claimed that pub bosses had told police twice that they would not be opening on match day.
In a written submission to the hearing, Superintendent Andy Parsons, said: “Police had visited the White Tower on Saturday night and were told the venue would not open on Sunday. Police spotters attended on the Sunday morning and were again told the venue would not be open.
“After the game a significant number of Birmingham City fans attended and police spotters identified a number of risk fans. The police escort of Aston Villa fans needed to pass this location in order to reach Duddeston railway station.
“The group had been drinking and were clearly aware the escort would pass here. The licence holder had no control over this group. They were not complying with police requests,
“The group escalated their behaviour and officers had to use force to clear the group. Bottles and glasses were thrown at police officers. This was a high level of violence aimed at police which I would class as serious disorder.
“It took in excess of 75 officers and numerous police dogs to safely restore order at the location and gain control of the group inside. Fans were arrested from this location.”
In its written decision to suspend the licence, pending the full hearing, the council’s licensing sub committee A said: “The sub-committee determined the principal cause of the serious crime and serious disorder was due to the management of the premises choosing to open the venue at a time when they had informed West Midlands Police, on at least two separate occasions, that it they would not do so.”
The full hearing will be held next week and councillors have the option of adding conditions, modifying current conditions or even revoking the licence.
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Utter stupidity by the landlord. He risks losing both his business and home.
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Utter stupidity by the landlord. He risks losing both his business and home.
He deserves to, the prick.
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I saw the paperwork for the hearing and the security staff employed werent registered either
The license will be revoked
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brighton-vs-aston-villa-what-12197552#rlabs=1%20rt$sitewide%20p$6
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
Pitiful
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brighton-vs-aston-villa-what-12197552#rlabs=1%20rt$sitewide%20p$6
Underquoting the Villa attendance tonight in a pointless article barely distinguishable amidst huge amounts of advertising.
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I note with interest that moderators are posting links to the offending site and generating advertising revenue for the rascals.
Is there something we should be told?
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brighton-vs-aston-villa-what-12197552#rlabs=1%20rt$sitewide%20p$6
Underquoting the Villa attendance tonight in a pointless article barely distinguishable amidst huge amounts of advertising.
That is quite possibly the worst page I've visited since using the internet.
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brighton-vs-aston-villa-what-12197552#rlabs=1%20rt$sitewide%20p$6
Underquoting the Villa attendance tonight in a pointless article barely distinguishable amidst huge amounts of advertising.
That is quite possibly the worst page I've visited since using the internet.
Ghastly. Ineffably ghastly.
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brighton-vs-aston-villa-what-12197552#rlabs=1%20rt$sitewide%20p$6
Underquoting the Villa attendance tonight in a pointless article barely distinguishable amidst huge amounts of advertising.
That is quite possibly the worst page I've visited since using the internet.
Ghastly. Ineffably ghastly.
Alex dicken, is he new?
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Here's what passes as "news" in the Mail these days.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-supporting-apprentice-star-12199869
Or this:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brighton-vs-aston-villa-what-12197552#rlabs=1%20rt$sitewide%20p$6
Underquoting the Villa attendance tonight in a pointless article barely distinguishable amidst huge amounts of advertising.
That is quite possibly the worst page I've visited since using the internet.
Ghastly. Ineffably ghastly.
Alex dicken, is he new?
He is listed as an "advance content writer" i.e. bullshit blogger aka ****t without portfolio as they used to say in the Private Eye.
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Alex Dickhead is a blue nose.
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This is from the Brighton Argus.
And then an effort loops over via a defender.
Albion under a lot of pressure.
Att: 30,107 (3,258 away).
Now fcuk off Mail.
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Parochial papers like the mail just send out the signal of the region being small time. It's the same here in Brisbane with the Courier Mail. A sorry rag on a par with the evening Mail.
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You have to laugh.....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-take-twitter-swipe-12210606
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Quality filtering! Can you do the Daily Heil and Excess too? And those ****** at the S*n
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Shit rag as they are there's not much wrong with that Baggies tweet or their reporting of it. Just a bit of gentle fun which we shouldn't take too seriously.
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Quote...This is from the Brighton Argus.
And then an effort loops over via a defender.
Albion under a lot of pressure.
Att: 30,107 (3,258 away). Kippaxvilla2
The figure 3258 doesn't account for the Villa fans in the home sections. I know because I was there in the North Stand with Villa fans around me and no doubt scattered throughout the ground.
Do you remember when we had a proper reporting sports argus in this area instead of an agony aunt excuse of a newspaper for blue noses.
So f-ck off mail again!!!!
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I don't know why anyone bothers with them anymore. They don't promote the areas largest club and instead seem to be on a permanent wind up. Pointless tat, hope they go bust.
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Shit rag as they are there's not much wrong with that Baggies tweet or their reporting of it. Just a bit of gentle fun which we shouldn't take too seriously.
Their best win in years and they still feel the need to mention us. Pretty sad really. No surprise to see Woollaston's name attached to that article.
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Shit rag as they are there's not much wrong with that Baggies tweet or their reporting of it. Just a bit of gentle fun which we shouldn't take too seriously.
Their best win in years and they still feel the need to mention us. Pretty sad really. No surprise to see Woollaston's name attached to that article.
yeah, but it's lighthearted stuff. They scored 4 against West Ham and Burnley - it's an obvious connection to make.
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Shit rag as they are there's not much wrong with that Baggies tweet or their reporting of it. Just a bit of gentle fun which we shouldn't take too seriously.
I take things like that as backhanded compliments anyway. Doesn't matter how well or how shite they or we are doing because at the end of the day we're always the first thing on both the Baggies and Small Heath's minds.
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Shit rag as they are there's not much wrong with that Baggies tweet or their reporting of it. Just a bit of gentle fun which we shouldn't take too seriously.
I take things like that as backhanded compliments anyway. Doesn't matter how well or how shite they or we are doing because at the end of the day we're always the first thing on both the Baggies and Small Heath's minds.
It's only like me posting on the "Patronise" thread about their huge attendance last night mentioned on the BBC - the fact they had discounted the tickets seems to be ignored...
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Shit rag as they are there's not much wrong with that Baggies tweet or their reporting of it. Just a bit of gentle fun which we shouldn't take too seriously.
I've never taken either the Mail or the Albion seriously.
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The BM website currently listing the ten greatest Villa players ever.
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The BM website currently listing the ten greatest Villa players ever.
and who are they listing Kenny burns, Geoff astle, cuz what the current incumbent's know about us, is nothing.
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They'll probably put Steve Hodge and Simon Stainrod in.
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BYSTEVE WOLLASTON
10:47, 24 NOV 2016UPDATED10:47, 24 NOV 2016
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The Villa Park attendance was confirmed as 29,712 for the visit of Blackburn Rovers in the last home game.
It was the lowest home gate of the season, will this weekend see the numbers increase?
Loud chants of 'Steve Bruce's claret and blue army' were belted out from the Holte End in the closing stages of the victory so there is every reason to think the optimism could carry over.
Especially after the unbeaten run continued at Brighton, Villa fans are on a high.
It's a big game for Villa, but perhaps not the most glamorous of fixtures.
Cardiff City have sold their allocation with only restricted viewing tickets available.
The question is will those floating voters with the Villa shirts turn up to swell the numbers?
Expect a good crowd, certainly in excess of 32k
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Lol. The mail has been infiltrated by a load of dogshitters/stripeys and their inferiority complex. The publication is obsessed with us.
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What's the "unrepeatable" Kodjia song that they're banging on about?
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There was one being sung on the concourse at Brighton. Pretty funny as far as I'm concerned but may not be to everyone's liking. What's been said
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Lol. The mail has been infiltrated by a load of dogshitters/stripeys and their inferiority complex. The publication is obsessed with us.
Woollaston is definitely a Villa obsessive.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before but I couldn't see it and wasn't sure where to put this - apparently 10% of Bodymoor Heath is to be taken out by HS2 if/when it gets extended beyond Birmingham as reported in the Mail.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before but I couldn't see it and wasn't sure where to put this - apparently 10% of Bodymoor Heath is to be taken out by HS2 if/when it gets extended beyond Birmingham as reported in the Mail.
Aston Villa set to launch HS2 multi-million pound compensation claim;
Villa believe they have a strong case under a government scheme
BYLINE: By Aidan McCartney
SECTION: SPORT
LENGTH: 204 words
could in line for millions in compensation because of the HS2 railway and its impact on the club's training base.
The latest plans for the £24.7billion high-speed link between Birmingham and London show it cutting through a chunk of Villa's Bodymoor Heath training ground
And that could see Villa launching a multi-million pound claim after commissioning reports into the likely noise and environmental effects.
Former owner Randy Lerner spent £9m upgrading Villa's training facilities - only to discover that the rail line cuts straight through two training pitches when the government unveiled its plans.
The club have no chance of halting the development, with construction work due to start in the spring and continue for the next 10 years.
But Villa believe they have a strong case under a government scheme to compensate landowners along the route.
The House of Lords Select Committee on HS2 heard from Villa two weeks ago and they are now in talks.
A spokesperson at HS2 Ltd said: "Approximately 10 per cent of Aston Villa's training ground is needed for phase one of the HS2 project.
"We are talking to the club and are optimistic about finding a positive solution that works for the project and Villa."
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I'm a little pissed at this - Wet Spam are given an Olympic stadium - Aston Villa, after being at Bodymoor Heath for decades need to lose part of their facilities. FFS
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I can think of a few million ways we can settle this...
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I can think of a few million ways we can settle this...
Every Man Utd supporting accountant from the South East using the service north to the Theatre of Exessive Spending for Little Return, must debunk en-route for a 20 minute, outdoor naked pressure washing at Bodymoor Heath.
On grounds of contamination safeguarding.
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I reckon a toll for passing over BMH. A levy paid by every passenger, as well as compensation.
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As shit a rag as it is, this remains one of the funniest articles of all time. Always deserves an airing every now and again.
DEFIANT Blues fans took to the streets in protest against the decision not to allow an open-top bus tour through Birmingham to mark the team’s Carling Cup win.
Despite fans last week claiming thousands would gather for their own unofficial celebration, only around 100 gathered in the city centre’s Victoria Square having walked there in small groups following the civic reception at St Andrew’s yesterday.
They then marched through the streets, chanting: “We’re Birmingham City, we’ll do what we want,” as bewildered shoppers looked on.
They stopped outside Aston Villa FC’s official shop on New Street, where they shouted and swore to workers inside, before heading on through Bullring shopping centre up to the Chinese Quarter and along Hurst Street.
They started to disband after getting lost and failing to find Sherlock Street, where they had planned to end their protest over Birmingham City Council’s decision not to hold a parade due to health and safety reasons.
Andrew Henry, a 21-year-old trainee social worker, of Sheldon, attached a huge Blues flag to the columns of the Council House.
“I know I am speaking on behalf of every Birmingham City FC supporter when I say I am disappointed we didn’t get an open-top bus parade,” he said.
Brendan Anderson, 46, a builder of Bartley Green, who was in Victoria Square with his son Liam, 12, added: “I can’t believe we have been denied this parade, it’s a disgrace.”
Carer Kevin Roberts, aged 45, of Yardley, said: “I think it’s appalling. The official celebration was pathetic It would have been much better to have done something last week. It’s spoilt it for me really. It’s like we never won.”
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Lol....a classic
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Seen this? (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/blose-sherlock.html)
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Seen this? (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/blose-sherlock.html)
Immeasurably ace.
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Seen this? (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/blose-sherlock.html)
Applauds.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before but I couldn't see it and wasn't sure where to put this - apparently 10% of Bodymoor Heath is to be taken out by HS2 if/when it gets extended beyond Birmingham as reported in the Mail.
Aston Villa set to launch HS2 multi-million pound compensation claim;
Villa believe they have a strong case under a government scheme
BYLINE: By Aidan McCartney
SECTION: SPORT
LENGTH: 204 words
could in line for millions in compensation because of the HS2 railway and its impact on the club's training base.
The latest plans for the £24.7billion high-speed link between Birmingham and London show it cutting through a chunk of Villa's Bodymoor Heath training ground
And that could see Villa launching a multi-million pound claim after commissioning reports into the likely noise and environmental effects.
Former owner Randy Lerner spent £9m upgrading Villa's training facilities - only to discover that the rail line cuts straight through two training pitches when the government unveiled its plans.
The club have no chance of halting the development, with construction work due to start in the spring and continue for the next 10 years.
But Villa believe they have a strong case under a government scheme to compensate landowners along the route.
The House of Lords Select Committee on HS2 heard from Villa two weeks ago and they are now in talks.
A spokesperson at HS2 Ltd said: "Approximately 10 per cent of Aston Villa's training ground is needed for phase one of the HS2 project.
"We are talking to the club and are optimistic about finding a positive solution that works for the project and Villa."
The route affecting BH was published years ago albeit only now formally confirmed. Hopefully someone with some nous at the club will have been making plans to move altogether rather than stay on part
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before but I couldn't see it and wasn't sure where to put this - apparently 10% of Bodymoor Heath is to be taken out by HS2 if/when it gets extended beyond Birmingham as reported in the Mail.
Aston Villa set to launch HS2 multi-million pound compensation claim;
Villa believe they have a strong case under a government scheme
BYLINE: By Aidan McCartney
SECTION: SPORT
LENGTH: 204 words
could in line for millions in compensation because of the HS2 railway and its impact on the club's training base.
The latest plans for the £24.7billion high-speed link between Birmingham and London show it cutting through a chunk of Villa's Bodymoor Heath training ground
And that could see Villa launching a multi-million pound claim after commissioning reports into the likely noise and environmental effects.
Former owner Randy Lerner spent £9m upgrading Villa's training facilities - only to discover that the rail line cuts straight through two training pitches when the government unveiled its plans.
The club have no chance of halting the development, with construction work due to start in the spring and continue for the next 10 years.
But Villa believe they have a strong case under a government scheme to compensate landowners along the route.
The House of Lords Select Committee on HS2 heard from Villa two weeks ago and they are now in talks.
A spokesperson at HS2 Ltd said: "Approximately 10 per cent of Aston Villa's training ground is needed for phase one of the HS2 project.
"We are talking to the club and are optimistic about finding a positive solution that works for the project and Villa."
The route affecting BH was published years ago albeit only now formally confirmed. Hopefully someone with some nous at the club will have been making plans to move altogether rather than stay on part
No need, only affects one/two of the pitches apparently.
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Why would we want to move when we might get millions for staying?
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Seen this? (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/blose-sherlock.html)
Immeasurably ace.
Thank You
(I must get round to changing windows to boarded up ones)
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Seen this? (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/blose-sherlock.html)
Immeasurably ace.
Thank You
(I must get round to changing windows to boarded up ones)
Yes, it's brill.
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They're not even bothering with facts any more. We sold out against Man Utd in December 2013, Burnley in May 2015 and Man Utd again in August 2015. What a dreadful article.
http://www.b*r*i*g*a*m*a*l.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-heading-five-year-12342459
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I assume they mean the ground was a sellout, Burnley was less than 41K, Both Manure were probably a touch under our official capacity.
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I assume they mean the ground was a sellout, Burnley was less than 41K, Both Manure were probably a touch under our official capacity.
I agree with you re Burnley, but the first Man Utd sell-out was 42,682 - the full capacity - and the second was 42,200, and it said on the club website the day before that the game had completely sold out.
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Look at this in the Meaning Evil today. Then look at the date of the Scum article. Also notice how they focus on the Villa lad, not the Blues one.
Aston Villa fan Danny Brown features in a collection of portraits called Great Britain's Hooligans.
The photographs by Simon Harsent are of football terrace hard men from the 70s, 80s and 90s.
Danny was the founder of Villa's C-Crew firm.
He said: "The name C-Crew is short for ‘Corner Crew’, we took the name from the part of the Holte End where we stood and watched the matches from.
"We were the first multi-racial football crew in Britain – it brought together youths from different areas of Birmingham during the Eighties.
"It’s difficult to look back now and give any simple explanation for the reason I became so involved in football related violence, as there are probably various causal factors.
"When I was younger I started going to matches because I was a Villa fan and loved football.
However, when I started to go to away games to places like Liverpool and Middlesbrough, I was frequently chased and given a good beating.
"I started to see the older Villa lads fighting on the terraces and decided to get involved myself – at worst it meant I would have some back up if I was attacked and, at best, I could give opposing supporters a taste of their own medicine."
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You can see the collection of portraits here
The portraits also feature Barrington Patterson, better known as One-Eyed Baz, from Birmingham City’s Zulus, Cass Pennant, one of the founding members of West Ham’s Inner City Firm, Riaz Khan of Leicester’s Baby Squad, Ginger Bob of Millwall F-Troup, Colin Blainey of the Man United Red Army, Boatsy of the Forest Executive Crew, Carlton Leach of the West Ham ICF and Jason Marriner of the Chelsea Headhunters.
A HOO'S WHO Amazing portraits show the men who ruled the terraces in the 70s, 80s and 90s
And you still wouldn't want to bump into any of them in a dark alley
EXCLUSIVE
BY JON LOCKETT 9th June 2016, 12:34 pm
THESE are the faces of the hooligans who brought terror to the football terraces for decades.
The sinister portraits – released ahead of Euro 2016 – are part of a series from acclaimed photographer Simon Harsent.
GBH: Great Britain's Hooligans EXCLUSIVEPIX MEDIA
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Carlton Leach was a member of West Ham’s ICF. His story was told in the film ‘Rise of the Foot Soldier’
GBH: Great Britain's Hooligans EXCLUSIVEPIX MEDIA
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Danny Brown, of Aston Villa’s C-Crew, tackled racism on the terraces
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Riaz Khan, of Leicester City’s Baby Squad, gained an MA in English Language and teaches at college
His new work explores football hooliganism through petrifying portraits of the football firm leaders themselves.
Entitled GBH (Great Britain’s Hooligans) the series brings people face-to-scary face with some of the country’s most notorious hooligans.
Simon said: “It’s an examination of social discontent in Britain as the beautiful game presented an ugly face, and how the decisions of a few men 30 years ago have impacted their lives today.
“I’m not trying to glorify them or condemn them. These are portraits of people who chose one path in life and now have all turned their lives around.
“There is a written piece in the exhibition catalogue by my brother and co-collaborator on this project that talks to each of the guys about what was going on in their life at the time.
“It talks about the complexities of trying to generalise football hooligans, because there is no one single reason that young males are drawn to it.”
GBH: Great Britain's Hooligans EXCLUSIVEPIX MEDIA
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Jason Marriner was a member of Chelsea’s notorious Headhunters firm
GBH: Great Britain's Hooligans EXCLUSIVEPIX MEDIA
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Ginger Bob, of Millwall’s F-Troop, started fighting at matches when he was still in primary school
GBH: Great Britain's Hooligans EXCLUSIVEPIX MEDIA
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Gary ‘Boatsy’ Clarke was one of the founder members of The Nottingham Forest Executive Crew
Although the men pictured all had different stories to tell about how they got involved in trouble, there was one common theme.
“One thing I did hear from a few of the guys was that it was like an addiction and if looked at like that I think we might perceive it in a different light,” revealed Simon.
“If you have other addictions such as drugs there are treatment programs but the so-called cure for a football hooligan is jail time.”
When I started following the Baby Squad, I felt protected and also brave because now we had lads who would defend you through thick and thin
Riaz Khan, Leciester City Fan
Riaz Khan of Leicester’s Baby Squad said: “Being part of a firm gave you that sense of belonging. I was always on the fringes when I was at school. I never belonged to any sub-culture or gang because I was Asian.
“When I was at school, racism was rife and gangs of boneheads would chase us just because of the colour of our skin.
“When I started following the Baby Squad, I felt protected and also brave because now we had lads who would defend you through thick and thin.
“!I felt invincible. I wasn’t a troublemaker – only at the football.”
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None of them a patch on the Greek Imagine the write up on him !
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Quality reporting here.
A dog bites an eleven year old girl (which is an awful thing to happen I grant you) but then factor in the dog being called AV (can you see where this is going?) add in a picture of a dog that isn't the dog in question and an ambulance in case you've forgotten what an ambulance looks like and hey presto negative Un Villa related story.
Or am I being a bit too cynical?
http://tinyurl.com/j6x6zsa
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Regurgitating a story today that the Express & Star published back in August....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-tony-xia-worth-12502551
Express & Star August 2016...
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2016/08/06/wolves-v-albion-v-villa-how-do-the-new-chinese-owners-compare/?
Lame.
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The B'ham Mail gave Elphick 6 out 10 for last Saturday.....and the same for Lansbury! Crazy....Lansbury was our best player by a mile.
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Yesterday the Mail and Birmingham Post were both reporting that the New Street club shop had closed. Must have been a slow news day because we were discussing the closure on here more than two weeks ago.
They are both a pale imitation of their former incarnations as bastions of local news.
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Today they have a special feature reminding everyone of how the Valentines Day massacre at home to Liverpool unfolded a year ago. Presumably they will do the same on the anniversary of Blues' home defeats to Altrincham or Kidderminster? Or maybe their own 0-7 to Liverpool.
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May as well stick it here as well
Our local paper, accurate as ever an hour ago. You'd expect better of Kendrick.
They have sold out their full allocation for today's Championship encounter at the DW Stadium, taking around 1,000 supporters.
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May as well stick it here as well
Our local paper, accurate as ever an hour ago. You'd expect better of Kendrick.
They have sold out their full allocation for today's Championship encounter at the DW Stadium, taking around 1,000 supporters.
you couldn't write this stuff, brilliant.
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May as well stick it here as well
Our local paper, accurate as ever an hour ago. You'd expect better of Kendrick.
They have sold out their full allocation for today's Championship encounter at the DW Stadium, taking around 1,000 supporters.
you couldn't write this stuff, brilliant.
he probably didn't it looks like a printing error
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Hard to see how it's a typo. You'd also think it would be proof read before being published online.
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Hard to see how it's a typo. You'd also think it would be proof read before being published online.
yeah but he would defo know that everyone takes more than 1000 to most places, surely he can't be that thick
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what kind of typo would it be? Like did he mean to hit 2 and accidentally typed 1? Is one of the zeros out of place, or did mean to add a zero? Or was he just lazy and got it wrong? I'll go for the last one seeing as most of the Mail staff, even Kendrick gave up on the club a while back.
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They gave up on the Mail a while back.
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As supportive as ever. With some 2 plus 2 nonsense writing.
Jonathan Kodjia: This is where Everton stand on a potential transfer
Everton and Stoke City are said to be interested in the Villa striker
11:55, 12 APR 2017Updated11:56, 12 APR 2017
Video thumbnail, Alex Dicken on those Kodjia rumours
Everton and Stoke City are weighing up an offer for Aston Villa striker Jonathan Kodjia, according to our sister paper The Mirror.
Kodjia has been the shining light in a mediocre season for the claret and blues and bagged his 19th goal of the season against Burton Albion on Saturday.
The striker suffered injury during the 1-1 draw with the Brewers but it is hoped that he will be fit and raring to go for Villa’s Easter double header at the weekend.
Kodjia is bidding to become Villa’s first player to score 20 league goals since Peter Withe in the First Division title-winning season of 1980/81.
Jonathan Kodjia of Aston Villa scores
Jonathan Kodjia
Due to his goalscoring prowess, Kodjia will undoubtedly have interest this summer. While Steve Bruce is adamant the club are under no pressure to sell, he won’t stand in Kodjia’s way if one of the Premier League big boys comes calling.
Of the clubs linked with Kodjia so far, Everton are the biggest name. The Toffees are currently trying to turn the top flight’s ‘big six’ into a big seven and recently announced plans to leave Goodison Park to continue their growth.
Star striker Romelu Lukaku’s refusal to sign a new deal has seen Everton scour Europe in preparation for the worst case scenario.
However, we are told that Everton are likely to seek a more proven option than Villa’s Ivory Coast international if they do lose Lukaku this summer.
With Everton keen to make a return to Champions League football, a more adequate replacement would need to be found than Kodjia, who has just two seasons in English football's second tier under his belt.
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Just this week alone the Mail have reported that Villa have now gone 9 games unbeaten, and also that Bruce's points per game average would have us in 3rd place now, had he been here all season.
Both of these "facts" are complete bollocks.
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They are really covering themselves in glory in their coverage of the current situation.
Rehashing what’s been posted on random Twitter feeds. ‘Stories’ about how Wolves and West Brom are revelling in our situation.
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It really is a horrrrrrrrrrible excuse for a newspaper - the Wolves fan outside the training ground is the lowest of the low and I thought they had already sunk as low as they could.
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The torn badge has made an appearance today
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Absolute shite. Supposed to be a Birmingham paper and yet seems to enjoy trying fuck over its biggest football club. Sad and pathetic.