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Post by: aj2k77 on April 06, 2014, 11:26:55 PM
Some cracking duels today. Probably the best race I've watched for 4 or so years. Hamilton and Rosberg going full pelt, nice.
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Post by: flybo on April 06, 2014, 11:39:48 PM
One of the best fantastic race full of incidence from start to finish.
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Post by: timeoutbigbar on April 06, 2014, 11:52:56 PM
Excellent race.  Slight shame that Mercedes are essentially 3 seconds a lap faster than the rest when they're really going for it, though at least it isn't Red Bull dominating again.  Nice to see Vettel get done by his team mate too.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on April 06, 2014, 11:54:41 PM
Excellent stuff, how they didn't touch or crash into each other was astonishing.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 07, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
If one team is obviously much better than the rest the next best thing we are going to get is two team mates closely matched. It's going to be a real battle this year between Rosberg and Hamilton and I cant see the gap between the rest being closed too much until the midseason break.

Anyway yesterday was much better than seeing Vettel canning Webber repeatedly.

Ricciardo beating Vettel and generally looking the better driver over the first 3 races..... whats your conclusion from that so far? What does it say about Vettel if anything? Is Ricciardo a future multiple world champion?
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Post by: mattjpa on April 07, 2014, 11:58:10 AM
Really good race. I can see Force India becoming a real contender over the next couple of years...
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Post by: Jon Crofts on April 07, 2014, 06:48:17 PM
This was always going to be the season for Mercedes, Hamilton had the good sense and vision to see that 2 years ago and ditched McLaren, most mocked him, but if you understood the rules and their implications it was a very smart move.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 09, 2014, 03:06:11 PM
I think even last season showed how smart a move it was, but being out driven by Button in his final season there showed he had to move to rediscover his touch. Drove brilliantly to hold off Rosberg in the final stages.

Perez getting a podium was interesting too, and McLaren still look pedestrian despite having the Mercedes plant, and have lost one of the 2 aero guys they lured from Red Bull, back to Red Bull already! Strange things at that team these days.

Vettel getting beaten simply shows that the car has been the single factor in him winning continuously, and that the team had ensured Webber often got the inferior package whenever he got close to beloved Seb. The new guy if from their own stable, so they have a vested interest and won't favour Vettel as much.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 19, 2014, 08:28:52 AM
Lewis completely outguns Rosberg again in qualifying.

Ricciardo out qualifies Vettel for the 4th time in a row. All the questions some people had about Vettel are being answered at the moment. The guy just doesn't look particularly good without a dominant car and a weaker team mate.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 21, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
Vettel... the toys are starting to come out of the pram aren't they. Never rated him that high, nothing to do with his personality or a national thing, I just have never seen him do anything that exciting on the track apart from start on pole and sail off into the distance, no wheel to wheel racing just a procession.

At least with Hamilton this year he has a team mate who is young and hungry...oh dear and comparable to him, with Vettel and Webber I always took Webber as having had his better days and a good solid pro, but not aggressive and dynamic racer. Now Seb is against a young gun with the big between his teeth he's being highlighted a bit as a one pace racer when not in the top car.
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Post by: *shellac* on May 25, 2014, 03:15:54 AM
I think Rosberg did it deliberately. 
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Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2014, 09:46:50 AM
If he did it was certainly a better attempt at faking it then Schumachers.
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Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2014, 09:58:53 AM
Same old Germans always.....
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Post by: Jon Crofts on May 25, 2014, 04:11:35 PM
Without a doubt Rosberg out braked himself deliberately yesterday knowing full well Hamilton was on a flyer.  He'll get his comeuppance because he's just a spoilt little rich kid used to getting his own way.
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Post by: *shellac* on May 26, 2014, 02:24:45 AM
The heads of Mercedes should see this coming, what with both drivers head to head in the race for the driver's championship since the 2nd race.

Will they have 1-2 finish all season? 
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Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2014, 09:57:01 AM
Lewis needs to stay focussed now and not be affected by having another cheat in the camp. He is the best driver in F1 and needs to go out and prove it.
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Post by: andyaston on May 26, 2014, 01:03:30 PM
Why do they bother racing round this stupid rich man's playground of a street. Monaco is the most boring Grand Prix around, no overtaking happens at all.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on May 27, 2014, 11:32:16 AM
Why do they bother racing round this stupid rich man's playground of a street. Monaco is the most boring Grand Prix around, no overtaking happens at all.

True, it's not a great race for the spectator but the drivers love it and it's an institution now so no chance it will ever be dropped.
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Post by: manic-road on July 06, 2014, 03:53:19 PM
A great win for Lewis today at the British GP, with Rosberg dropping out it's a close championship again.
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Post by: andyaston on July 06, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
Hamilton deserves a bit of luck because he had two DNFs before todays race so it's evened out a little bit.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 06, 2014, 06:38:35 PM
Raikonnen's impact was measured at 47 G, fuuuuuuuuuuck.
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Post by: aj2k77 on July 06, 2014, 11:23:26 PM
Closing the gap down to 4 should sort out Hamiltons head now, if he can cut out mistakes he'll take the title before the final race and it's daft double points.
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Post by: *shellac* on July 07, 2014, 02:10:32 AM
Nice win for Hamilton.

Is Ricciardo a better driver than Vettel?  Or in the past the German had the better car and package than Webber.
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Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2014, 03:43:06 AM
A great win for Lewis today at the British GP, with Rosberg dropping out it's a close championship again.
Great win for Lewis and for once the cheat got justice.
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Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2014, 10:16:11 AM
The battle between Vettel and Alonso is the best bit of racing I've seen in the F1 for years.

Say what you like about the effect on the racing the safety changes have had, even 10 years ago Raikonnen wouldn't be simply nursing a bruised ankle after that crash.

Good to see Hamilton get a bit of luck when he needed it, makes the title race a lot more interesting.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 07, 2014, 12:53:52 PM
A great win for Lewis today at the British GP, with Rosberg dropping out it's a close championship again.
Great win for Lewis and for once the cheat got justice.

I assume you mean Rosberg and the cheat reference being the off in Q3 from a few weeks ago denying Hamilton pole?
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Post by: aj2k77 on July 26, 2014, 01:09:19 PM
Well the title battle is being ruined by continual reliability problems.
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Post by: *shellac* on July 26, 2014, 05:51:36 PM
Really bad luck in the case for Lewis Hamilton.
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Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
Really bad luck in the case for Lewis Hamilton.

I reckon in pre-season he must've swerved to avoid a black cat that crossed his path, went under a ladder and crashed into a mirror shop, he's had a really rough season, he deserves a lot of credit for making a fight of the title given the luck he's had with the car.
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Post by: andyaston on July 27, 2014, 09:35:12 AM
All Roseburg needs to do is keep his car on the road and he will win this years championship. Hamilton is plagued with luck, all of it bad.
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Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2014, 01:48:51 PM
What is going on with this track, seeing 3 guys spin out in 25 laps is pretty rare, all working out pretty nicely for Hamilton.
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Post by: manic-road on July 27, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Great drive by Lewis today considering where he started from.
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Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2014, 03:03:56 PM
Great drive by Lewis today considering where he started from.

Briiliant day for him, Rosberg starts on pole, Hamilton starts last and Hamilton gains points in championship, he should be incredibly happy with that.
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Post by: *shellac* on July 27, 2014, 05:32:30 PM
Great drive from Hamilton.  This track is not one with many over-taking opportunities.

This could be the turning point of the season. 
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Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2014, 06:30:20 PM
Can someone explain as to why Rosberg was complaining about Lewis not letting him pass? And  I read one reason was to maximise German's race time how does that work?
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 27, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
Hamilton was well within his rights to hold his line and defend in that final lap, Rosberg wasn't close enough nor in a position to overtake, just another moaning Hun.
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Post by: aj2k77 on July 27, 2014, 09:22:31 PM
Couldn't believe my ears when I heard Mercades try to issue team orders in a World Championship battle...... If there was any doubt before who is the favoured driver then there isn't anymore.

If Hamilton is going to win it will be the hard way. I can't see him there long term.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2014, 12:26:55 PM
The team orders thing was awful. If Rosberg had genuinely been all over his back end then ok, but he wasn't even in DRS when they gave the order. He was right to say when he is close enough, I will not stop him. Had the luck been reversed this season, I would lay a large amount that Rosberg would be nowhere close to the 11 points behing Hamilton is. Plus reversing back up that side road at Monaco was full on cheating knowing the yellow flags would ruin Hamilton's lap time. Cheat.
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Post by: *shellac* on July 28, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
Spot on, ozzjim.
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Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2014, 01:20:08 PM
The team orders thing was awful. If Rosberg had genuinely been all over his back end then ok, but he wasn't even in DRS when they gave the order. He was right to say when he is close enough, I will not stop him. Had the luck been reversed this season, I would lay a large amount that Rosberg would be nowhere close to the 11 points behing Hamilton is. Plus reversing back up that side road at Monaco was full on cheating knowing the yellow flags would ruin Hamilton's lap time. Cheat.

When Rosberg was moaning yesterday all I could think was thast it was karma after he was such a wanker in Monaco.
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Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2014, 01:36:06 PM
Rosberg is turning out to be a ... I was going to say a German   racing driver... But may be that's not fair however he did cheat at Monaco!
Even if he were all over Lewis the name of the game is to overtake if you are good enough. Lewis did that starting from pit lane to finish 3rd. Awesome drive.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2014, 02:47:48 PM
I've never liked Rosberg, i always thought it was irrational (well it still is) but these last few races have just reaffirmed my views. The spoilt german cu...  and I'm not even lewis's biggest fan, but he's the best driver out there for me. Vettels being shown up, always good for a smile.
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Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2014, 05:22:34 PM
Vettel is a solid defensive driver and when you have a car which gets you pole with ease and sticks to the corners so well that you can pull away at the front being able to defend if someone gets close means you always stand a chance of winning.  Now he's in an average car he looks like the average driver he is.

Rosberg is pretty similar, he's done nothing of note before this season.  Hamilton is a class act because he knows he's good and he trusts his instincts to take risks, the move on Vergne yesterday shows the difference, Rosberg was struggling to see a gap and got stuck behind him for ages, it took Hamilton a lap to force an opening.
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Post by: Somniloquism on July 28, 2014, 05:30:21 PM
So what definition does Riccardo come under? Vettel, Rosberg or Hamilton.
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Post by: Somniloquism on July 28, 2014, 05:44:18 PM
The team orders thing was awful. If Rosberg had genuinely been all over his back end then ok, but he wasn't even in DRS when they gave the order. He was right to say when he is close enough, I will not stop him. Had the luck been reversed this season, I would lay a large amount that Rosberg would be nowhere close to the 11 points behing Hamilton is. Plus reversing back up that side road at Monaco was full on cheating knowing the yellow flags would ruin Hamilton's lap time. Cheat.

On the BBC Text updates, R5 bloke said that you get more dirty air within a second of the back which means it was harder to get closer, especially coming closer to a pits. I suspect that was why the team ordered the move. However, Coulthard* on BBC TV agreed with you that he should be right around the back of him beforehand.

*When he used to race, was him putting on his helmet the definition of a square peg in a round hole?
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Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
So what definition does Riccardo come under? Vettel, Rosberg or Hamilton.

I like Riccardo, like Hamilton he's willing to back himself and go for it a bit more.
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Post by: aj2k77 on July 28, 2014, 07:51:25 PM
So what definition does Riccardo come under? Vettel, Rosberg or Hamilton.

Ricciardo is a Hamilton full out racer for me. Also Vergne, pretty much matched him last season and I think he'd be good for a better drive.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2014, 11:13:32 PM
I like Ricciardo, talented and very smiley, always looks like he's loving it. Quite a few look miserable to me.
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Post by: olaftab on August 05, 2014, 03:50:21 PM
So Bernie has seen off a birbery charge by what sound like a bribery payment of £60M when he could have  been jailed for 10 years. A strange judgement . What if he didn't have £60M?
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Post by: Jon Crofts on August 05, 2014, 03:52:38 PM
So Bernie has seen off a birbery charge by what sound like a bribery payment of £60M when he could have  been jailed for 10 years. A strange judgement . What if he didn't have £60M?

Nasty orange dwarf, should have been put away for that, still another opportunity to bang him up with the sodomites over his tax evasion though, so I live in hope.
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Post by: Small Rodent on August 06, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
And the person he originally bribed has been jailed.

Corruption.
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2014, 12:26:11 PM
So Bernie has seen off a birbery charge by what sound like a bribery payment of £60M when he could have  been jailed for 10 years. A strange judgement . What if he didn't have £60M?

Threatened with prison for wearing chav clothing. That's a bit harsh
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Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2014, 03:08:13 PM
Cheat Rosberg at it again today. Obviously couldn't handle the fact that Lewis did him at start.
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Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
And he has admitted cheating by stating in a team meeting that he did it to prove a point. So what are Mercedes and F1 admin going to do do about this?
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Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 07:03:11 PM
They will do fuck all because they are spineless. I have never known a driver suffer so much rotten luck in comparison to his team mate as Lewis this season. Rosberg has cheated twice now, no one will convince me that the reversing back up the road at Monaco was not a deliberate act.

He did it to prove a point today? Prove what point exactly?

He should get a 2 or 3 race ban for his actions today to show the world that deliberately endangering other drivers well being will not be tolerated, because by not pulling out, that is what he did today. Horrible actions from a guy who is showing himself to be a thoroughly waspish little man. His inferiority complex to Lewis clearly runs very deep.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on August 25, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
This needs putting an end to before it develops into a Lauda v Hunt style feud and someone gets hurt or killed.

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Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 05:50:21 PM
The problem is though John, Rosberg could already have caused it. Watch the footage, and I said it as it happened, he clearly takes a second, larger more pronounced action to turn in on Hamilton, which is massively dangerous. Rosberg seems to lacking in any form of contrition and even appears to be claiming he was right to do what he did. At which point he needs to be made an example of, or he will simply do it again. Hamilton is a dram a queen a lot of the time, but I am amazed he didn't smash Rosberg on the nose!
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Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 01:32:11 PM
And shock horror, despite claiming to have been in the right, and steering his car visibly into Hamilton, and admitting he did it to prove a point which has been confirmed by Lauda and Wolff, Rosberg faces no action.

The message being if you are leading the championship in the last race, and get close enough, plough though your rival at will, because you won't be punished for it.

Very, very wrong.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 26, 2014, 04:51:24 PM
If I were Magnussen i'd be very disappointed to be punished for what he did.
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Post by: David_Nab on August 27, 2014, 09:41:21 AM
The problem is though John, Rosberg could already have caused it. Watch the footage, and I said it as it happened, he clearly takes a second, larger more pronounced action to turn in on Hamilton, which is massively dangerous. Rosberg seems to lacking in any form of contrition and even appears to be claiming he was right to do what he did. At which point he needs to be made an example of, or he will simply do it again. Hamilton is a dram a queen a lot of the time, but I am amazed he didn't smash Rosberg on the nose!

I think Hamilton has been pretty reserved..I think he just about given up on the title given the luck he has had.

As for Rosberg to not even say sorry , very poor show.He has been exceedingly lucky all season (bar Silverstone ) there is this incident , the monoco qualifying and the cut chicane at Canada he has gotten away with now.Even Massa who has had his own issues with Hamilton in the past think's Rosberg should of been punished !

I don't see how the team can function going forward with them as team mates , they were supposed to do filming for Sky this week which has been cancelled.Clearly can't work together.
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Post by: olaftab on August 27, 2014, 09:58:20 AM
There is still time for Mercedes team to do the right thing and remove him for one race but despite strong words fro Lauda and Wolff I bet commercial issues will trump correct path! Rosberg the cheat will become champion and this tainted sported will carry on regardless.
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Post by: *shellac* on August 27, 2014, 12:26:41 PM
He got the boos he deserved.

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Post by: olaftab on September 07, 2014, 12:34:57 PM
I wonder how the Cheat is going to get his own way today starting second?
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Post by: DaveD on September 07, 2014, 01:13:15 PM
That's how. Mysterious power failure on start line.
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Post by: olaftab on September 07, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
Well he got his comeuppance today! Looking in mirror driving will haunt him for the next six races.
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Post by: ozzjim on September 07, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
Well he got his comeuppance today! Looking in mirror driving will haunt him for the next six races.

I think Lewis knows that Rosberg is mentally not strong, and has got into the position he is in through a HUGE amount of good fortune and a decent slice of wrongful behaviour. All Lewis needs to do is be there now. Be right in his mirrors as much as possible, he will crack. Get to within 14 points going into that last race and it will be a hell of a finish.
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Post by: *shellac* on September 08, 2014, 10:30:20 AM
I hope the German cheat lose the driver championship by one point.
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 14, 2014, 01:46:24 PM
I hope the German cheat lose the driver championship by one point.
No thanks.  He'll only bleat about how he only lost it because of double points in the last race.
A continuous stream of DNFs, preferably brought about by his own hubris will do nicely however.
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Post by: olaftab on September 21, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
Great win by Lewis. The god of technology intervened today to punish the cheat who had to withdraw early.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on October 04, 2014, 09:49:03 AM
Vettel leaves RBR to replace Alonso at Ferrari who moves back to McLaren for 2015.
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Post by: olaftab on October 04, 2014, 10:02:52 AM
Ricciardo has proved that Vettel is not that good.
Shame the Cheat has beaten Lewis to pole today.
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Post by: aj2k77 on October 04, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
If it rains tomorrow I'd back Hamilton to destroy Rosberg. If not it will be close but head to head I don't think Rosberg has beaten Hamilton so far.
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Post by: *shellac* on October 05, 2014, 06:31:04 AM
7 wins against 4 with 2 or 3 DNFs, currently leading the driver's championship, is clear who is the better driver between Hamilton and the cheat.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on October 05, 2014, 09:36:48 AM
Boom.  Another win for Hamilton in the mildly moist.
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Post by: *shellac* on October 05, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Hope Bianchi is okay.  That looks terrible.
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Post by: UK Redsox on October 05, 2014, 10:22:30 AM
I thought that they at least went to a yellow flag if removal equipment needed to access the circuit. Why was the race still going on with the removal vehicle in the run off area?
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Post by: olaftab on October 05, 2014, 12:33:49 PM
Boom.  Another win for Hamilton in the mildly moist.
Fantastic overtake to go past the cheat. Brave behind belief.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 05, 2014, 12:51:20 PM
Quote
Jules Bianchi is having surgery on a severe head injury sustained after he crashed into a vehicle recovering Adrian Sutil's car during Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix.
The race was ended after the incident involving the Marussia driver, who failed to respond when his team radioed to ask if he was OK.
He was unconscious as he was driven to the Mie University Hospital, 10 miles away, with a police escort. The 25-year-old is now in surgery for the injuries and will be taken to intensive care afterwards, an FIA spokesman confirmed.
Officials red-flagged the Japanese Grand Prix on lap 47, meaning championship leader Lewis Hamilton claimed his third win in succession and eighth of the season.
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Post by: olaftab on October 05, 2014, 01:08:52 PM
Heard about this during the race and now I understand why they ended it early. Wish him well.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on October 05, 2014, 04:02:50 PM
I thought that they at least went to a yellow flag if removal equipment needed to access the circuit. Why was the race still going on with the removal vehicle in the run off area?

If you watch videos of the incident you can clearly see a marshall in the tower waving a green flag indicating all clear moments before the accident.  That needs investigating, coming around that corner and seeing a waved green means drivers are going to be back on the gas. 

Hope he's OK, sounds like a very serious head injury.
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 05, 2014, 08:24:09 PM
I thought that they at least went to a yellow flag if removal equipment needed to access the circuit. Why was the race still going on with the removal vehicle in the run off area?

If you watch videos of the incident you can clearly see a marshall in the tower waving a green flag indicating all clear moments before the accident.  That needs investigating, coming around that corner and seeing a waved green means drivers are going to be back on the gas. 

Hope he's OK, sounds like a very serious head injury.



Where have you seen footage of Bianchi's crash.  I've only seen Sutil spinning off, where you can see the green flag.
There was an immediate black-out of the accident here, which, as the commentators said was a sign that it was really serious.

Sutil himself says the yellow flags were out when Bianchi spun off.

He'll be lucky to wake up from that.  The human body just isn't capable of withstanding those deceleration forces.

There's a picture that shows the car with leading side of the car pretty much destroyed and Bianchi's head slumped in the dock-put at a height that's level with the bottom of the tractor.

Hope to god I'm wrong, but it looks like the car's slid sideways across the grass and broadsided the tractor stopping almost dead.  The ground clearance of the tractor looks like most of the cockpit pod would have slid under the tractor.

I won't embed the picture, but it's here if you want to see for yourself (http://mobile.f1today.nl/en/news/bphoto-b-shocking-pictures-from-crash-bianchi/)

Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 06, 2014, 10:48:56 AM
I thought that they at least went to a yellow flag if removal equipment needed to access the circuit. Why was the race still going on with the removal vehicle in the run off area?

If you watch videos of the incident you can clearly see a marshall in the tower waving a green flag indicating all clear moments before the accident.  That needs investigating, coming around that corner and seeing a waved green means drivers are going to be back on the gas. 

Hope he's OK, sounds like a very serious head injury.
Where have you seen footage of Bianchi's crash.  I've only seen Sutil spinning off, where you can see the green flag.

This doesn't show the crash but watch to the end, the marshal in the tower 10 yards from the incident is waving a green flag, so 1 car on the JCB and Bianchi's now embedded under it yards from a wet high speed corner and the marshal is waving a green?  That's not right.



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Post by: Jon Crofts on October 06, 2014, 10:18:04 PM
This fan clip does show the Bianchi accident, my goodness if he survives that then I really don't know what to say.

DO NOT click on the link if you do not want to see the accident, but again the waved green flags are clearly visible throughout.

http://youtu.be/v62763_d2HE
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Post by: UK Redsox on October 06, 2014, 10:20:04 PM
There's now video of the crash

http://youtu.be/v62763_d2HE
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 07, 2014, 08:31:50 AM
Holy shit. The steward nearby was bloody lucky as well.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on October 07, 2014, 09:20:14 AM
There's now video of the crash

http://youtu.be/v62763_d2HE

Blocked by FIA on rights issues.
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Post by: Somniloquism on October 07, 2014, 09:51:02 AM
I'm guessing that footage filmed by fans is classed as F1 property if inside the arena. Shame.
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Post by: thick_mike on October 07, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
It was pretty gruesome. The car goes underneath the back of the crane and lifts it up into the air. It is clear Bianchi is going to be in lots of trouble. Poor bloke.
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Post by: UK Redsox on October 07, 2014, 12:27:46 PM
I'm guessing that footage filmed by fans is classed as F1 property if inside the arena. Shame.

I can understand that if it was general race footage but this is now a news story.

Blocking the video on 'rights' grounds seems very petty by F1
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 07, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
I'm guessing that footage filmed by fans is classed as F1 property if inside the arena. Shame.

I can understand that if it was general race footage but this is now a news story.

Blocking the video on 'rights' grounds seems very petty by F1

You're forgetting which petty dwarf runs F1.
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Post by: simon ward 50 on October 07, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
New statement on Bianchi here:

Marussia statement: Jules Bianchi remains in intensive care, & in a critical but stable condition having suffered a diffuse axonal injury.

Bianchi family statement: "This is a v difficult time, but the messages of support & affection have been a source of great comfort to us."
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Post by: thick_mike on October 07, 2014, 05:06:16 PM
From BrainandSpinalCord.org

"Prognosis of Diffuse Axonal Injury
It is thought that diffuse axonal injury can occur in just about every level of severity, with concussion thought to be one of the milder forms. In mild to moderate forms of diffuse axonal injury, recovery is possible, with the mildest forms of diffuse axonal injury often resulting in few if any long-term issues.

About 90% of survivors with severe diffuse axonal injury remain unconscious. The 10% that regain consciousness are often severely impaired."

Poor kid is in terrible trouble. Awful.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 07, 2014, 09:12:20 PM
The footage has appeared again  here. (http://www.google.dk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fformulaone%2Farticle-2782638%2FFootage-emerges-Jules-Bianchi-s-Japanese-Grand-Prix-crash-left-F1-star-severe-head-injury.html&rct=j&q=jules%20bianchi%20car&ei=c0M0VMWwJqffywOWlYGgAw&usg=AFQjCNHl49t9vgK6k2--LHPB3gYclZudEw&bvm=bv.76943099,d.bGQ)

I really don't see how he can have survived.
If he's not breathing without the aid of a machine, how long was he without oxygen after the accident? Even without the direct trauma, oxygen starvation would be a problem.

Without wishing to sound vicarious, I have a nasty feeling he's been kept on life support to allow his family to get out to Japan and get a chance to say goodbye.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: *shellac* on October 12, 2014, 06:30:04 AM
Nice gesture by Marussia.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 12, 2014, 05:18:04 PM
Dominant win for Lewis again today, 3 races to go, 100 points to play for, ridiculous to think that Rosberg can still be champion having only won 3 races all season due to the double pointer in Abu Dhabi, ridiculous.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 12, 2014, 08:27:24 PM
Completely agree Jon.

Ridiculous situation where even if he wins the next 2 races he could still need to finish 6th in the last race to be sure.

Despite at that point having 11 victories to Rosberg's 4.

It might ensure more casual fans tuning in to the last race, but it sure as hell isn't equal opportunities.

Has Rosberg beaten him fair and square at all this year, because I can't think of one race where Hamilton had lost out to him in a straight race?

Mind you for the superstitious, wasn't it 6th in a very wet Brazil that won him his last title?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 26, 2014, 05:09:45 PM
Caterham and Marussia to miss (http://gu.com/p/42mp2)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Somniloquism on October 26, 2014, 09:59:36 PM
I wonder if it is compulsory to use and have to pay the subsequent fees otherwise you are out of F1.

The transport for all the teamsí cars and freight is organised by Ecclestoneís Formula One Management (http://The transport for all the teamsí cars and freight is organised by Ecclestoneís Formula One Management)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 27, 2014, 08:24:00 AM
Caterham and Marussia to miss (http://gu.com/p/42mp2)

The whole sorry story of Fernandez and Caterham is well summed up here.

http://skiddmark.com/2014/10/decimate-brand-case-study-caterham/
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2014, 11:13:50 PM
Lewis once again proves that he is der Meister by going past the cheat whilst racing.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: aj2k77 on November 03, 2014, 12:10:32 PM
Super impressive when he started his second stint 3 seconds behind Rosberg and within 8 laps had hauled him in.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 07, 2014, 08:54:01 PM
Quote
The Marussia Formula 1 team has ceased trading and all staff will be made redundant, administrators FRP have announced.

The team went into administration last month and had hoped to return for the final race of the season after missing the US and Brazilian Grands Prix.

Their driver Jules Bianchi remains in hospital in a critical but stable condition after suffering severe head injuries in a crash at the Japanese GP.

Over 200 people will lose their jobs.

Marussia had been in talks with two potential investors, but when a deadline of 12:00 GMT on Friday passed with no funds transferred the team folded.

Geoff Rowley, joint administrator at FRP Advisory, said: "It goes without saying that it's deeply regrettable that a business with such a great following in Britain and worldwide has had to cease trading and close its doors."

Elements of Marussia management still hope to return to F1 next season and have applied for entry to next year's world championship under the name of Manor F1, the team's original guise.

The Caterham team, who also last raced in Russia, remain in administration.

Their administrators said at the US Grand Prix last weekend that they had set a deadline of two weeks to find a buyer or that team would have to fold too.

Marussia's final race was at the Russian Grand Prix on 12 October.

BBC F1 chief analyst Eddie Jordan said: "There are four reasons why the three teams who entered F1 in 2010 have all failed.

"First, Caterham (previously Lotus), Marussia (previously Virgin) and HRT were promised that the sport would have a budget cap of 50m Euros and governing body the FIA failed to impose this.

"Secondly, the costs for an engine were about £5m last year but have gone up to £15m this season with the introduction of new turbo hybrid engines.

"Who's accountable? It's Bernie Ecclestone's job to make sure promises are adhered to, and these costs are not coming down next year even though the manufacturers originally said they would.

"Thirdly, teams have to use Ecclestone's freight but the costs of this are high. There used to be a £10m payment from the commercial rights holder to teams to support the freight costs but Ecclestone withdrew that two years ago.

"Fourthly, there is the gross disparity of $300m being skimmed off the top of the money allocated to pay the teams as a cash payment for the top five teams, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and Mercedes."

Marussia have folded despite having their best season in four years in F1.

Marussia currently lie ninth in the championship thanks to the two points Bianchi scored by finishing ninth in Monaco.

They will retain that place officially, but when it comes to allocating the prize money from this season, the remaining team below them - Sauber - will be moved up and receive the funds instead.

With the collapse of Marussia and Caterham, the prize money that would have been paid to the 10th team in the championship will be retained by the commercial rights holders.

The administrators of Caterham have launched a crowd-sourcing project to try to raise funds to allow the team to compete in Abu Dhabi.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Lizz on November 17, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
Not into F1 but found this article about Tony Fernandes interesting - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-30078757

Aware it's mainly the views of a now redundant employee.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 21, 2014, 09:07:06 AM
So the stupidest finale to an F1 season is upon us.
Double points, the stupidest idea since Olaf The Hairy ordered 10,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.  A driver who's only won 5 races all season still has the chance to be world champion even though his rival has won 10 races, it'll be a farce of the highest order if that happens.

Here's the world champion permutations for Sundays farcical Abu Dhabi GP.

LH = Finish ahead of Rosberg
Cheating Hun =Win the race with Hamilton third or lower
 
LH = Finish no lower than second if Rosberg wins
Cheating Hun = Finish second with Hamilton sixth or lower
 
LH = Finish fifth or better if Rosberg doesn't win
Cheating Hun = Finish third with Hamilton seventh or lower
 
LH = Finish sixth or better if Rosberg is not in the top two
Cheating Hun = Finish fourth with Hamilton ninth or lower
 
LH = Finish eighth or better if Rosberg misses out on the podium
Cheating Hun = Finish fifth with Hamilton 10th or lower
 
LH = Finish ninth or better if Rosberg is fifth
Cheating Hun = Should Hamilton not score any points, Rosberg still must finish no lower than fifth to overturn the 17-point deficit
 

Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 21, 2014, 10:44:34 AM
Hamilton fastest in P1.

Will Stevens has paid £500,000 to race the Caterham at Abu Dhabi, I say race, nurse the car around at the back somewhere would be more accurate I guess. 
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on November 22, 2014, 02:08:29 PM
Lewis 2nd on pole. Made some mistakes in P2 and 3. Let's hope that is all the errors  this weekend. Just needs to do a Sunday drive and stroll in 2nd tomorrow.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on November 23, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
Lewis takes the lead on the the first corner.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 23, 2014, 01:45:12 PM
You get the sense Hamilton isn't having to give it everything to keep Rosberg at bay.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 23, 2014, 01:51:58 PM
Rosberg having major problems.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 23, 2014, 01:58:31 PM
Hamilton looks like he has the same issue.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on November 23, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
As long he matches whatever Tosberg does IT should be fine.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 23, 2014, 02:19:06 PM
The Davis Cup and the Formula One World Championship within hours of each other.

What a day for Switzerland.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 23, 2014, 02:44:36 PM
Excellent season for Lewis he deserves it.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 23, 2014, 02:53:33 PM
Rosberg looks like he's chewing a bee with lemon marinade shaking hands with Lewis.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on November 23, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
A second world title for Lewis and well deserved, but I thought that Nicole was rubbing Lewis's helmet quite vigorously after the race.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on November 23, 2014, 03:44:10 PM
F1 champion and later Nicole. I would like to sit him down and ask where has it all gone wrong Lewis?
Rosberg deserved nothing after Monaco and Spa and I am glad he got nothing.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 23, 2014, 05:04:48 PM
Completely agree with well deserved for Hamilton.

Most wins - more than twice as many.
How many mechanical problems did they have? Despite today, I reckon Lewis had more to overcome when you take into the 2 or 3 qualifying sessions where his chances were shot because of mechanicals.
How many times did Rosberg manage to get past Hamilton in toe to toe racing?  None.
How many times did Rosberg bitch into the pit radio because Hamilton wasn't giving him an easy ride? At least twice - Bahrain when Hamilton wouldn't let him past to take advantage of a different tyre strategy (ignoring the fact he couldn't get close enough to get past him), and at least once where he complained about the way Hamilton breezed past him.

And that's before you get into the bad sportsmanship at Monaco and Spa.  Be interesting to see how he responds next year.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 27, 2015, 01:42:03 PM
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117831

I was quicker than her in my 1 and only F3 test.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on March 14, 2015, 07:54:10 AM
That was some performance by Mercedes in qualifying in Australia today, also Lewis 0.6 seconds faster than Nico. Can't see any team making up the time to Mercedes over the net few months.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on March 14, 2015, 05:54:12 PM
McLaren are having a mare, Button FIVE seconds a lap slower than Hamilton.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 15, 2015, 09:21:39 AM
Button is driving a lawnmower.

15 car grid is ridiculous, still Bernie will keep the prices high and yet more people will drift away from the sport unless they can make it more entertaining.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: aj2k77 on March 16, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
I see Redbull are dropping rumours of quitting unless the rules are changed to their liking and they start to win all the time again.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 16, 2015, 09:43:57 AM
They've got some front, their car was always suspect during their dominant seasons.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 13, 2015, 08:18:48 AM
Does Nico Rosberg sit down to take a piss?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 14, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
Does Nico Rosberg sit down to take a piss?


Well if he does it would explain the echo whilst he's talking out of his arse.

So Hamilton was deliberately going slowly to get Vettel on his back?

Well if that was the case how about going a bit quicker yourself and putting Hamilton under some pressure?  Oh what was that?  You couldn't near him if his car was powered by Fred Flinstone technology?  Ah that explains it then.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 16, 2015, 04:26:25 PM
ĎLook up the definition of Ďracing driverí in the dictionary. It doesnít say, Ďman who uses skill and judgment to drive his car past slower carsí. It says, Ďwhiny little baby who will always come second.í At least, it does in mine.í  Said Nico.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 22, 2015, 01:45:05 PM
Clearly Nico had a steaming hot mug of 'man the fuck up' Sunday morning.

Looks like a 3 maybe 4 horse race this year between the Mercedes & Ferrari teams.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 12:42:30 AM
Mercedes doing their best in Monaco to manufacture a title race to keep it interesting this year was yet again shattered by Hamilton managing a race with a 2 second gap the entire race. Every time snivel got to nearly a second back suddenly Hamilton would take him back out to 2.5 without blinking. Very obviously controlling the pace.

McLaren though looked like sitting ducks on the straights, what an awful performance. Which makes me even more certain that F1 needs to stop all this crap about no testing, fuel limits, tyre wear and in season upgrades, and get back to being about building the fastest car to get round the track. None of this lifting and coasting, or making sure there are 5 engine tokens, or not being able to change out a gear box for fear of a grid penalty. Just innovative flat out racing would be nice where the result isn't a cert by the second corner.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: silhillvilla on July 05, 2015, 08:16:12 PM
Cracking race today for a change, sun, rain and for a good chunk of the race 4 drivers all in with a chance.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on July 18, 2015, 08:34:03 AM
Sad news that Jules Bianchi has finally succumbed to his injuries after being in a coma for 9 months.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: aj2k77 on July 18, 2015, 12:56:06 PM
Absolutely terrible news, 9 months of pain for the family :(
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2015, 05:17:02 PM
Sadly inevitable.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 24, 2015, 07:09:55 AM
Whingo Rosberg bitching again (http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24207/9922216/nico-rosberg-reveals-brake-problem-on-his-mercedes)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 14, 2015, 08:28:43 AM
Slightly off topic but hey ho.
Lewis Hamilton, just how did he turn into such a massive bellend off the race track?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MarkM on September 14, 2015, 08:34:31 AM
Slightly off topic but hey ho.
Lewis Hamilton, just how did he turn into such a massive bellend off the race track?

Must be his new haircut!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 21, 2015, 12:46:38 PM
BBC drop F1 contract early http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35149963

Title: Re: f1
Post by: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 06:08:40 PM
Well that new qualifying format was a dog's breakfast.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 19, 2016, 09:48:54 PM
Well that new qualifying format was a dog's breakfast.

Awful wasn't it? Got rid of all the drama of driver's going for a last second dash to grab a position and replaced with....well..fuck knows, just a confusing mess.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 09:57:44 PM
I think they're still going to have problems even if they revert - both Jensen and Vettel said they were out of tyres anyway.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on March 20, 2016, 09:02:05 PM
Awful. Its like when you're seven and try and design a new game using chess pieces with your best mate.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 14, 2016, 08:32:37 PM
5 place grid penalty for Hamilton in China for swapping gear box.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 06, 2016, 10:05:12 AM
Daniil Kvayt told to do a Gabby. (http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/36206848)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 15, 2016, 02:12:42 PM
What a crash haha Rosberg took out Hamilton.
Just as well really cos apart from that this Spanish grand Prix has been one of the worst I seen for a long time
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 03, 2016, 08:04:10 PM
It would appear that Whingo's main tactic these days is the Schumacher, but he's not always that good at it.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 03, 2016, 08:15:23 PM
Toto Wolf threatening to impose team orders on them if they can't play like adults. Was good watching though.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 06, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Rosberg just cannot race, he can drive, but he's no racer.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 09, 2016, 08:37:23 PM
Hamilton nails the final lap in Qualifying to secure pole.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on July 10, 2016, 08:40:19 PM
Some excellent gp's this year, Monaco, Austria and Britain have been classics
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 10, 2016, 09:44:03 PM
Some excellent gp's this year, Monaco, Austria and Britain have been classics
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Really? Today Hamilton lead from start to finish without any real challenge and the only excitement was some bloke trying to drive with only three wheels and the odd spin because of the rain. F1 is tedious in the extreme.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 10, 2016, 09:44:48 PM
Other than Whingo proving yet again, as Jon says above, that he's no racer, the most interesting thing from today was that we now know that the penalty for breaking the rules for assisting the driver over the radio is only 10 seconds, or 3 points for Mercedes today, which is cheap compared to 5 grid places next race for changing the gearbox.

Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on July 11, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
Some excellent gp's this year, Monaco, Austria and Britain have been classics
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Really? Today Hamilton lead from start to finish without any real challenge and the only excitement was some bloke trying to drive with only three wheels and the odd spin because of the rain. F1 is tedious in the extreme.

I thought it was excellent.  Car and drivers both on the limits of adhesion for 90% of the race and spitting them off the track at the slightest chance
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 11, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
Some excellent gp's this year, Monaco, Austria and Britain have been classics
]]

Really? Today Hamilton lead from start to finish without any real challenge and the only excitement was some bloke trying to drive with only three wheels and the odd spin because of the rain. F1 is tedious in the extreme.

I thought it was excellent.  Car and drivers both on the limits of adhesion for 90% of the race and spitting them off the track at the slightest chance

And how much better would it have been to let them race from the start instead of the ridiculous safety car start?

If I'd paid £300 for a ticket to see that procession I'd have been seriously pissed off, let the drivers show us their skill in controlling a race car in difficult conditions.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on July 11, 2016, 08:25:46 PM
Jon, I agree, it shouldn't have started under the safety car
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on November 13, 2016, 09:35:31 PM
One of the best individual drives for years.  Verstappen was immense
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 02, 2016, 01:50:20 PM
Chicken shit whiney arsed tosspot retires.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MarkM on December 02, 2016, 01:53:08 PM
Chicken shit whiney arsed tosspot retires.

That made me smile!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: curiousorange on March 26, 2017, 11:48:36 AM
So...one race down, huh?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: aj2k77 on March 26, 2017, 12:18:15 PM
Two horse race this season, slightly more interesting, slightly.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 26, 2017, 12:18:27 PM
Who won this round of follow the leader then? Can't be arsed looking it up.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: curiousorange on March 26, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
Vettel. Ferrari are looking good this season. It'll be a bunfight between him and Hamilton regardless of the new rules and cars.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2017, 06:06:10 PM
A race won by pit crew. Well done to Ferrari.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on March 27, 2017, 02:12:38 PM
A race won by a car that kept its tyres in better nick for longer rather than a pit crew.  There was next to nothing difference between the crews
Title: Re: f1
Post by: aj2k77 on March 28, 2017, 07:40:42 PM
Didn't Hamilton blow the race when he came out from a stop behind Verstappen? or someone similar?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: curiousorange on April 11, 2017, 04:14:02 PM
Bump this again. After two races I can see the title will go to whichever of Vettel or Hamilton have the better luck. Were it not for that safety car Vettel would probably have two wins in the bag.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2017, 02:36:03 PM
Ferrari have done a team job today. Slowing down Kimi  by early pit stop to ensure Vettel takes the lead.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: andyh on May 28, 2017, 02:41:35 PM
Monaco is the most boring procession of a race.
Kudos to the commentators who try to inject some excitement into something utterly boring.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 26, 2017, 05:53:58 PM
Hamilton equals the Schumacher's pole tally at Spa, that's quite an achievement.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on August 27, 2017, 12:48:02 AM
Yes well done to him again and hope he wins and Vettel doesn't cheat.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: brian green on August 27, 2017, 07:27:32 AM
Germans? Cheat?  Wash your mouth out, sir.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2017, 07:01:21 PM
Lewis Hamilton gives his poetry gland a rare squeeze over Princess Di: England's Rose. (https://www.instagram.com/p/BYfsSOGn9in/?hl=en)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on September 17, 2017, 01:08:28 PM
Terrible start to the Singapore race. Vettel  mistake takes out top 4 grid cars. Hamilton leading the race.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Simon Page on September 17, 2017, 03:33:35 PM
I call that the perfect start.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on September 17, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
<cough cough> Not good for the race as a spectacle <snigger snigger> I mean it's not as if he tried to cheat again it was pure racing mistake.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: KRS on September 18, 2017, 12:22:31 AM
Ferrari trying to blame Verstappen which is a complete joke. After his antics bashing into Hamilton earlier in the season, Vettel was supposed to be on his final warning so should have a race ban after this latest incident.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Simon Page on September 18, 2017, 01:28:57 AM
He should be encouraged to do it again. Anything that takes out Ferrari is fine by me. Another astonishing job by Hamilton for which I doubt he'll be appreciated to the level he should. The man is phenomenal. When you think how much Mansell and Hill Jnr were lauded (and rightly so), it should be a given that Hamilton is considered by the wider public as one of this country's all-time great sportsmen.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: KRS on September 18, 2017, 02:29:50 AM
Definitely. It was a fantastic clean drive in difficult conditions and showed his class at the front despite all the pressure and safety cars taking his lead away at least twice during the race.

Ferrari are showing themselves up with their comments, but it comes as no surprise the way they have been conducting themselves lately and refusing to give interviews to the media.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: curiousorange on September 18, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
It makes me wonder if Hamilton might jack it in if he wins the title. More titles than his hero Senna, and he's a little bit away with the fairies in my book and I wouldn't put it beyond him to make a gesture like that in the name of world peace or some such.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: KRS on September 18, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Nah the guy lives to race...he'll be around for a while yet breaking and setting as many records as he can in the process.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 20, 2017, 08:35:33 AM
Hamilton is a strange one, on one hand he's an incredible talent behind the wheel, out of the car and away from F1 he's a bell end.

There are well documented theories and some fairly well backed up stories relating to his relationship with Nicole Scherzinger if you care to dig a little deeper around the internet.   
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Simon Page on September 21, 2017, 03:31:28 PM
I know next to nothing about Lewis Hamilton away from motor racing, mainly because I have such little interest in what celebs do I take steps to avoid finding out, but when I see him interviewed at races he seems perfectly alright and I'm not aware of him using his celebrity to advance dodgy causes. Why would anyone want to have a theory - let alone research and document it - about his relationship? If he spends his down time kicking puppies and staffing a block paving firm with slaves, fine to stick the boot in, but what has he done wrong?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 25, 2018, 08:33:17 PM
Times up on Formula 1 when you can win a race from the pit lane.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: curiousorange on April 07, 2018, 08:16:29 PM
Season will be exactly the same as last time out. Ferrari will get help to win the early races, Mercedes will come back after race five or six and Hamilton will win the championship. Boring, and I say that as someone who follows it fairly keenly.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Stu on April 07, 2018, 09:02:16 PM
It's been boring for decades. They may as well drive one lap and call it at that.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on April 08, 2018, 05:55:32 PM
There's going to be a bit of trouble in Ferrari HQ tonight after Kimi Raikonen ran one of his mechanics over in the pit lane and broke his leg!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2018, 06:14:23 PM
Bottas is not all that. He really messed up at the end there. If that had been Lewis he would have taken first from Vettel as easy as taking candy from kids.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on April 08, 2018, 06:21:07 PM
Yep Bottas pissed his pants every time he got within shooting distance of Vettel and locked his tyres up. Not in the same class as Vettel and Hamilton, which is no doubt why Lewis likes having him as a team mate.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: curiousorange on April 09, 2018, 12:55:03 AM
I was talking about Bottas earlier, and I reckon Hamilton's actually frustrated having him as a team mate. My theory is that he needs an inter-team rival to push him. Yes, he won the championship last year but it was a fairly mediocre procession by the end of it and I don't think Bottas did him many favours in terms of holding off Ferrari. I was always a big naysayer about Nico Rosberg but Bottas has shown that maybe he wasn't as respected as he should have been regarding how he kept pace with Hamilton. He kept Hamilton honest and that makes a lot of difference to his racing.

Anyway, with the moves next year, I expect Raikonnen to piss off and Ricciardo to pitch up at Ferrari, and Max Verstappen will replace Bottas at Mercedes. Bottas will end up at Red Bull with Gasly as their second.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on April 09, 2018, 08:33:47 AM
Some move by Hamilton to overtake three on the same bit of tarmac
Title: Re: f1
Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2018, 12:29:26 PM
There's going to be a bit of trouble in Ferrari HQ tonight after Kimi Raikonen ran one of his mechanics over in the pit lane and broke his leg!

Very nasty. I suspect the mechanic knows it was his own fault though, i just hope he recovers ok.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on April 09, 2018, 01:18:59 PM
There's going to be a bit of trouble in Ferrari HQ tonight after Kimi Raikonen ran one of his mechanics over in the pit lane and broke his leg!

Very nasty. I suspect the mechanic knows it was his own fault though, i just hope he recovers ok.

Not really, the car was released before the ready light was on following the necessary torque being applied to the wheel nut so hard to blame the mechanic.
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Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2018, 02:35:05 PM
There's going to be a bit of trouble in Ferrari HQ tonight after Kimi Raikonen ran one of his mechanics over in the pit lane and broke his leg!

Very nasty. I suspect the mechanic knows it was his own fault though, i just hope he recovers ok.

Not really, the car was released before the ready light was on following the necessary torque being applied to the wheel nut so hard to blame the mechanic.

Ah ok, I'd been going on the fact that they dropped the car and no machinery got dragged away as if 1 wheel wasn't finished but looking at the video again (which is deeply unpleasant) you can see that they drop the car before the wheel is released and only just get away in time meaning he hadn't had chance to move.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on April 29, 2018, 03:08:50 PM
I don't tend to watch much F1 now but todays race was eventful. Lucky win for Lewis.
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Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
Itís not really lucky. Vettel threw it away by making mistakes and Bottas didnít look after his tyres whilst Lewis picked his way through a difficult race and came out on top.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on April 29, 2018, 06:35:23 PM
First GP that Iíve watched at any length in years.

Vettel could have sat on an easy second place but paid the penalty for a risky manoeuvre going for the win.

Bottas ran over some debris rather than not having looked after his tyres.

Whilst acknowledging that he had to be in the position to take advantage of what happened ahead of him, my view is also that Hamilton lucked into the win.

UKR - CSE in Motor Engineering (with an emphasis on F1 aerodynamics of the 1970s)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on April 30, 2018, 01:13:56 PM
Max Verstappen's an absolute dick.  I know Red Bull publicly closed ranks in the immediate aftermath but I bet Ricciardo was absolutely fuming behind closed doors.
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Post by: Risso on April 30, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
First GP that Iíve watched at any length in years.

Vettel could have sat on an easy second place but paid the penalty for a risky manoeuvre going for the win.

Bottas ran over some debris rather than not having looked after his tyres.

Whilst acknowledging that he had to be in the position to take advantage of what happened ahead of him, my view is also that Hamilton lucked into the win.

UKR - CSE in Motor Engineering (with an emphasis on F1 aerodynamics of the 1970s)

My mate is the head engineering director for the Mercedes F1 team at Brixworth down the road, and he says that Hamilton is basically at 110% all of the time, and demands that the technical team are too.  So when there was that error in the first race, he might have a bit of a rant in the immediate aftermath of the race, but behind closed doors he understands that everybody is trying to squeeze every last bit of advantage out of the car and the tyres etc.
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Post by: MoetVillan on April 30, 2018, 08:32:35 PM
First GP that Iíve watched at any length in years.

Vettel could have sat on an easy second place but paid the penalty for a risky manoeuvre going for the win.

Bottas ran over some debris rather than not having looked after his tyres.

Whilst acknowledging that he had to be in the position to take advantage of what happened ahead of him, my view is also that Hamilton lucked into the win.

UKR - CSE in Motor Engineering (with an emphasis on F1 aerodynamics of the 1970s)

My mate is the head engineering director for the Mercedes F1 team at Brixworth down the road, and he says that Hamilton is basically at 110% all of the time, and demands that the technical team are too.  So when there was that error in the first race, he might have a bit of a rant in the immediate aftermath of the race, but behind closed doors he understands that everybody is trying to squeeze every last bit of advantage out of the car and the tyres etc.

Is my understanding of him. He is a bit of a tool outside of the car, but in it he is awesome
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Post by: curiousorange on April 30, 2018, 08:42:42 PM
First GP that Iíve watched at any length in years.

Vettel could have sat on an easy second place but paid the penalty for a risky manoeuvre going for the win.

Bottas ran over some debris rather than not having looked after his tyres.

Whilst acknowledging that he had to be in the position to take advantage of what happened ahead of him, my view is also that Hamilton lucked into the win.

UKR - CSE in Motor Engineering (with an emphasis on F1 aerodynamics of the 1970s)

My mate is the head engineering director for the Mercedes F1 team at Brixworth down the road, and he says that Hamilton is basically at 110% all of the time, and demands that the technical team are too.  So when there was that error in the first race, he might have a bit of a rant in the immediate aftermath of the race, but behind closed doors he understands that everybody is trying to squeeze every last bit of advantage out of the car and the tyres etc.

Is my understanding of him. He is a bit of a tool outside of the car, but in it he is awesome

Have to say he looked more than a little embarrassed in the fermť yesterday. Although he'll take the win I think Hamilton also knows that he's not been at the races since Melbourne.
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Post by: MoetVillan on May 01, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
Which through no fault of his own he should have won. Swings and roundabouts. But that Merc needs to step up at Barca
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Drummond on May 01, 2018, 03:38:33 PM
Hamilton reminds me a bit of Ronaldo. They work really hard and demand the same level of commitment from the team.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2018, 03:17:41 PM
I see Bottas doing his best to help Vettel this year. After his failure to overtake him a couple of races ago today he surrendered  2nd to him without any resistance at the start
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on July 22, 2018, 06:29:58 PM
Hamilton. Colossal bellend of the highest order, absolutely fantastic behind the wheel. From last to second in an inspired drive at Silverstone seems boring compared to his 14th to win in Germany. His car control in changeable conditions is second to none in my thirty years of following the sport avidly
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2018, 07:32:16 PM
So bit of cheating  by the Ferrari team did not work today after telling Kimi to "look after his tyres" as Vettel was behind him:

'So you want me to... let him go? Please. Just tell me.' - Kimi to team
Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen seeks clarification about the strategy battle with team-mate Sebastian Vettel.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on July 24, 2018, 09:49:56 AM
Team orders are fine, itís not cheating now, they should just have asked him to move over.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on July 29, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
Bottas let the side down again however there is a case for Vettel to answer as he cut across him.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on August 06, 2018, 06:33:56 PM
Lots of mistakes by Vettel this year, I agree he should be held to account for that move
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Post by: Jon Crofts on August 07, 2018, 08:03:36 AM
Lots of mistakes by Vettel this year, I agree he should be held to account for that move

Except he wonít because he drives a Ferrari.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 04:42:15 PM
Apparently the Mercedes F1 team is having problems with their best engineers being used on the Project 1 supercar.  Trying to do two things at once, basically.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: MoetVillan on August 09, 2018, 10:24:22 PM
Lots of mistakes by Vettel this year, I agree he should be held to account for that move

Except he wonít because he drives a Ferrari.

See also ďplays for Manchester UnitedĒ
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on August 19, 2018, 06:24:17 PM
Apparently the Mercedes F1 team is having problems with their best engineers being used on the Project 1 supercar.  Trying to do two things at once, basically.

They start in Formula E this December too, albeit in a team which doesn't carry their name for the first 12 months.

Can't imagine that'll help their engineers to concentrate on F1 either.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 30, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
After this weekends debacle that was the Moto GP, Silverstone are now promoting the 2019 F1 GP which may be the last to run at Silverstone as the agreement with F1 expires in 2019. If a family of 4 wanted to attend just the race on Sunday and sit in a seat at say Luffield, it will cost over £1000. Oh and don't forget the £50 to park your car in a field.

£1000 to attend a race that takes a little over 60 minutes, OK you get a few support races, but that is disgusting and quite honestly Silverstone deserve to lose the F1 GP.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on August 30, 2018, 09:06:44 PM
The reason they charge that is because they're trying not to lose it.

Most GPs now are government-backed, hence why races have been popping up in places like Singapore, Bahrain, Malaysia, etc.

Silverstone gets no government funding but still has to pay Formula 1 - hence the need to charge a fortune.

I don't agree with it but sadly there are plenty of other countries willing to pay more than we do for a race.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on August 30, 2018, 09:28:46 PM
I have attended F1races mainly at Hockenheim and Spa but never at Silverstone due to the ridiculous prices they charge.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on September 02, 2018, 03:50:40 PM
Nice to watch a race today which wasn't just a procession. Good win for Lewis.
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Post by: MoetVillan on September 03, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
Brilliant race.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on September 03, 2018, 05:46:02 PM
I have attended F1races mainly at Hockenheim and Spa but never at Silverstone due to the ridiculous prices they charge.

Portugal (Estoril) and Hungary always used to be the cheapest, I think the year Damon Hill won the world championship (95?) we paid the equivalent of £60 for grandstand seats Saturday & Sunday, he was expected to clinch the title there but it went all the way to Suzuka, Hungary in 2004 I think it was, the taxi from the airport to the circuit was more expensive than the grandstand seats.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Damo70 on April 27, 2019, 02:27:54 PM
The Azerbaijan Grand Prix takes place tomorrow. I don't recall that circuit being one of those featured on 'Chequered Flag' on the ZX Spectrum back in the day.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on April 29, 2019, 10:55:43 AM
The Azerbaijan Grand Prix takes place tomorrow. I don't recall that circuit being one of those featured on 'Chequered Flag' on the ZX Spectrum back in the day.

I used to play that

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Post by: fbriai on April 29, 2019, 11:02:19 AM
The Azerbaijan Grand Prix takes place tomorrow. I don't recall that circuit being one of those featured on 'Chequered Flag' on the ZX Spectrum back in the day.

Indeed, Damo. But I think you'll find that it was in Formula One:

Title: Re: f1
Post by: Bad English on May 06, 2019, 09:28:10 AM
I think the last time I watched Formula 1 tyre-changing Michael Schumacher was one of the drivers.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa Lew on February 12, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
Chinese Grand Prix, due to take place on 19 April, has been postponed, the governing body are hoping to arrange a date later in the year.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on February 12, 2020, 09:45:02 PM
In other news, I'm hoping to get jiggy with Kate Beckinsale later in the year.

Both are as likely to happen.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on August 02, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
First time I've seen the winning car cross the line with only three inflated tyres...!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on November 15, 2020, 12:02:11 PM
Hamilton wins the Turkish GP and takes his seventh title.

First time for ages that Iíve watched a whole race.

I only did so because the track was wet.

Sprinklers should be used to replicate these conditions for every race.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 15, 2020, 12:11:58 PM
Brilliant race and a brilliant drive from Hamilton.
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Post by: manic-road on November 15, 2020, 12:17:31 PM
That was a champions drive from Lewis, an entertaining race where Lewis looked like he had no chance of winning after the first couple of laps.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on November 15, 2020, 08:13:48 PM
F1 is always better when it's raining!
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Post by: UK Redsox on November 16, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
F1 is always better when it's raining!

Incredible that the Safety Car didn't get an outing.

Bottas must have arrived back in the Pits totally dizzy. I think that he had four separate spins.

It was interesting to listen to Stroll over race radio as he went from totally calm to stressed out.
Racing Point's tactics of setting the cars up to blitz the wet start, but knowing that they'd be fecked if the track dried out, almost got them a win.


UK Redsox (Motor Engineering CSE Grade 1 - with a project on F1 Aerodynamics of the 1970s and early 1980s) ;)

Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on November 16, 2020, 03:10:43 PM
Setup was virtually impossible on that track. It seemed to change sector-by-sector, lap-by-lap.

At one point the Racing Points were lapping 3/4 secs quicker than the field, then the Ferraris, then the Red Bulls, then the Mercedes - it was brilliantly insane!

And even if you happened on a window when your car was actually working, if you put it a couple of centimetres wide on some of the corners you'd end up in a puddle and quickly find yourself facing backwards!!

Once again, it demonstrated why Hamilton's the best F1 driver there's ever been.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Simon Page on November 16, 2020, 07:06:19 PM
He's ridiculously brilliant. I can't think of a better sportsman. I really hope he's appreciated properly because he's Pele, Woods, Williams, Federer, Ali level. And the second best sportsman from Stevenage after Ashley Young.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on November 29, 2020, 10:03:54 PM
So much for modern tracks being overly sanitised and safe.

Today in Bahrain was the first time I've seen a "safety" barrier chop an F1 car in half, swallow the driver and nearly burn him to a crisp.

Thank goodness for the halo. Incredible Grosjean's still with us.
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Post by: UK Redsox on November 30, 2020, 01:22:01 PM
Yep, that's the end of any arguments against the Halo

I suspect that we might see the medics (or at least someone in the medical car) in a fire protection suit and full face helmet from now on.

Credit to the doctor. Helped with the extinguisher and then headed towards the flames before it was clear that Grosjean was able to get out himself
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Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2020, 01:38:26 PM
I think the whole thing is a incredible vindication of the safety measures that have been introduced, even 10-15 years ago he'd have been at best 50/50 to survive that, to walk away with the comparatively minor injuries he has is fantastic for the sport.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on December 01, 2020, 03:52:28 PM
Lewis got the 'Rona and is out of the next GP, and possibly the final race as well
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Post by: UK Redsox on December 04, 2020, 12:38:19 PM
Romain Grosjean's replacement is Pietro Fittipaldi

I thought; ok, that must be Emerson's son

Nope, we're now on to the grandchildren of the drivers I watched when I had a real interest in F1  :o
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on December 07, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
I watched most of the race yesterday, purely to see how George Russell did.

The answer is that he way exceeded expectations, despite a car setup that's too small for him (seating position, boot size and steering wheel button size).

How about starting a conspiracy theory that Mercedes threw the pitstop in order to prevent Russell winning and thus showing up Hamilton and Bottas ? :)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 07, 2020, 11:03:02 AM
He showed a level of maturity beyond a 22 year old. Absolutely gutted for him.

And judging by Toto's reaction on Sky after the race, I'm pretty sure it wasn't deliberate!!  ;D

Undoubtedly we'll see Russell get a Mercedes drive in 2022.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on December 07, 2020, 11:23:01 AM
Yep, Russell must be nailed on for Mercedes in 2022.

Whose place he takes depends on whether Hamilton retires. If he does, I'd expect Mercedes to keep Bottas.
I wouldn't expect them to go with two relatively inexperienced drivers in 2022.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 07, 2020, 11:27:31 AM
Yep, Russell must be nailed on for Mercedes in 2022.

Whose place he takes depends on whether Hamilton retires. If he does, I'd expect Mercedes to keep Bottas.
I wouldn't expect them to go with two relatively inexperienced drivers in 2022.

I'm not so sure. Bottas is a safe pair of hands as a number 2 but even with the huge advantage that car currently has he's only just in 2nd place. If Hamilton wasn't there I'm not sure they'd back Bottas to win the title.

Going in to 2022 with a guy who's not good enough in Bottas and someone in Russell who's a complete gamble isn't really acceptable for Mercedes.

With the money saved on Lewis if he were to retire I could see them taking on a more experienced driver with a better track record than Bottas who could be the number 1 while Russell finds his feet.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 07, 2020, 03:04:21 PM
Made me laugh.
(https://i.ibb.co/r2G2jTR/9-A746-B04-4-A08-4-BD7-8-E1-D-5629-BF6-F9854.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r2G2jTR)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: luke:lamf on December 07, 2020, 03:09:43 PM
It is funny, but 'twas ever thus in F1. Certainly since I've been aware of it in the late 80s you've had :

Senna & Prost pissing over everyone in the red-and-white McClarens
Mansell & Patrese coming 1-2 pretty much every race in one particular season, then just whoever was in a Williams
Hakkinen and Coulthard dominating in silver McClarens
Schumacher pissing it in his Ferrari
Vettel and Webber in the Red Bulls
Now it's Hamilton & Bottas in the Mercedes.

Even Jenson Button managed to win a world title because his Brawn car was unbeatable for just half-a-season.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Gareth on December 07, 2020, 09:34:06 PM
Mercedes should just sack off Bottas for 2021 and give number 2 car to Russell - Bottas has been nothing more than a keep quiet seat warmer since he took the car after Rosberg left.

If Lewis then does the perennial F1 thing of believing he is the one to resurrect Ferrari in 2022 - they all want to drive that car at some point in their career then they have Russell with a years front end experience.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 07, 2020, 10:53:16 PM
Mercedes should just sack off Bottas for 2021 and give number 2 car to Russell - Bottas has been nothing more than a keep quiet seat warmer since he took the car after Rosberg left.

If Lewis then does the perennial F1 thing of believing he is the one to resurrect Ferrari in 2022 - they all want to drive that car at some point in their career then they have Russell with a years front end experience.

Russell's contracted to Williams for 2021.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Gareth on December 08, 2020, 02:04:30 AM
If Mercedes want that to happen it will, Williams would just get given the next one on Mercedes conveyor
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on March 31, 2021, 12:22:57 AM
Fantastic first race. I love both Hamilton and verstappen but lando Norris is one to watch.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on May 23, 2021, 03:44:42 PM
Well the Monaco Grand Prix continues to be a bore fest, what's the point of having a race where overtaking is virtually imposible? Still the commentators try and make out what a great race it is.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on May 24, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
Well the Monaco Grand Prix continues to be a bore fest, what's the point of having a race where overtaking is virtually imposible? Still the commentators try and make out what a great race it is.

I kind of get Croft and Brundle's point about it being a different challenge and that the championship contenders need to win in a variety of circumstances.

However, Monaco just comes down to who has the best in lap / pit stop / out lap combo. So, yep....it's dull

Having said that, it's always nice to hear Hamilton getting wound up. Great driver but a right nob at times.

Bottas' wheel refusing to budge was funny as well

Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on May 24, 2021, 04:40:55 PM
The trouble is that modern F1 cars aren't designed for Monaco anymore.  It was OK 60 years ago but now they're too fast and too wide, rendering overtaking impossible.

But that's not the track's fault - two weeks ago Formula e raced around the Monaco GP circuit and it was fantastic - overtakes all over the place.

The track works, and when it does work, it's immense.  But it's just not right for F1 anymore.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on June 27, 2021, 01:58:51 PM
The trouble is that modern F1 cars aren't designed for Monaco anymore.  It was OK 60 years ago but now they're too fast and too wide, rendering overtaking impossible.

But that's not the track's fault - two weeks ago Formula e raced around the Monaco GP circuit and it was fantastic - overtakes all over the place.

The track works, and when it does work, it's immense.  But it's just not right for F1 anymore.

The cars are too big full stop.

I do find it quite amusing that Red Bull have whinged and complained about everything and anything to the FIA for 4 seasons, got them to change the rules so much its cost Merc nearly 2 seconds a lap and finally put them in front of Merc, then get defensive that teams are complaining about them. A more hypocritical man in sport than Horner you will not find.

Lando Norris though, that kid is going a long way.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2021, 02:37:43 PM
The trouble is that modern F1 cars aren't designed for Monaco anymore.  It was OK 60 years ago but now they're too fast and too wide, rendering overtaking impossible.

But that's not the track's fault - two weeks ago Formula e raced around the Monaco GP circuit and it was fantastic - overtakes all over the place.

The track works, and when it does work, it's immense.  But it's just not right for F1 anymore.

The cars are too big full stop.

I do find it quite amusing that Red Bull have whinged and complained about everything and anything to the FIA for 4 seasons, got them to change the rules so much its cost Merc nearly 2 seconds a lap and finally put them in front of Merc, then get defensive that teams are complaining about them. A more hypocritical man in sport than Horner you will not find.

Lando Norris though, that kid is going a long way.

F1's got a bright future with Lando and George Russell. Both ridiculously fast.

As for Horner, he's no different to all the others. When other teams are winning it's because they're cheating. When they're winning it's because they're just brilliant.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2021, 05:46:13 AM
Horner adds an element of smug shit head to it though. Fight to survive hadn't helped him, of all the protagonists he comes off particularly badly.

I think this season is painfully clear that the downforce regs change has cost 2 teams nearly 1.5s a lap in comparison to the others, and Merc have admitted they have completely moved on to 2022 dev. I think they gave up the title in pre season internally.

What would be much better next season would be Mclaren and Ferrari betting in that top 4 on a Sunday genuinely fighting for wins. I fear Merc will plough enough resources in to make sure they are back in front though.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on July 18, 2021, 03:09:03 PM
Some first lap at the British GP, Max has ended up in the barrier.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: andyh on July 18, 2021, 03:17:57 PM
Brilliant first half a lap, but itís probably ruined the rest of the race, itíll be a procession now.

Glad verstappen is ok though.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on July 18, 2021, 03:24:16 PM
Brilliant first half a lap, but itís probably ruined the rest of the race, itíll be a procession now.

Glad verstappen is ok though.

Yes great to see him walk away from that impact.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on July 18, 2021, 03:24:31 PM
Because it was lap one, I suspect that Hamilton will get away with that. However, I think that he caused the accident and should be penalised.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on July 18, 2021, 04:03:22 PM
10 second penalty for Hamilton
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on July 18, 2021, 05:04:10 PM
Hamilton catches and passes LeClerc with a couple of laps to go and goes on to win.

Iím not a fan of DRS still being operational at the end of a race. Itís not turned on for the first two Laos and should be turned off for the last too.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 05:54:33 PM
Because it was lap one, I suspect that Hamilton will get away with that. However, I think that he caused the accident and should be penalised.

It's a racing incident for gods sake. He went up the inside on that corner twice more. Horner a typically salty shit bag yet again. Max has been ultra aggressive all season on lap one, and was again here, and Red Bull making out it was anything else is about what I'd expect from them. Max has a whole road to the left, and turned across completely. The penalties for Perez, twice for the same thing last week, were 5 seconds, so if anything 10s was pretty unfair compared to previous. It's good Max is OK, but Horner coming out with the salty nastiness afterwards is typical of him. He'll cry foul as soon as anyone else does though.

Leclerc didn't hit him on the same move last 2 laps either. Just because Max is ultra aggressive, it doesn't mean all other drivers should just give in. Lewis has done that too often this season.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 06:08:57 PM
3 times this season in very similar incidents Max has come down the inside and Lewis has conceded the space to let him through. Red Bill can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 18, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
Hamilton had the line into Copse, Max drove like his Dad for a few moments and off he went.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on July 19, 2021, 12:49:05 AM
Hamilton had the line into Copse, Max drove like his Dad for a few moments and off he went.
I thought it was Hamilton at fault but after seeing it again he had the line and max did not leave the gap. The commentary team were ridiculously ott about what was a racing incident. Iím glad max is ok but does he think we buy the whole disrespect thing if he had won and Lewis ended in the wall?? Max will be a champion but he doesnít have the controlled aggression Senna did or the ruthless talent of Schumacher. But neither had the tutorship of nelson ďarrogant prickĒ piquet or the leamington spice, Christian Horner blowing smoke up their arse. Max is a talent but his arrogance knows no bounds. I really hope lando Norris gets ahead of max as not only is he a weapon but a down to earth bloke. Also, checking the sewer of social media, the hate to Lewis (tax dodger, cheat, social warrior etc) is very thinly veiled at times......And calls for a ban for Hamilton???? Christian Horner have a word with yourself. Both of his current drivers hardly have a clean record for fair driving....
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on July 19, 2021, 12:50:59 AM
Because it was lap one, I suspect that Hamilton will get away with that. However, I think that he caused the accident and should be penalised.

It's a racing incident for gods sake. He went up the inside on that corner twice more. Horner a typically salty shit bag yet again. Max has been ultra aggressive all season on lap one, and was again here, and Red Bull making out it was anything else is about what I'd expect from them. Max has a whole road to the left, and turned across completely. The penalties for Perez, twice for the same thing last week, were 5 seconds, so if anything 10s was pretty unfair compared to previous. It's good Max is OK, but Horner coming out with the salty nastiness afterwards is typical of him. He'll cry foul as soon as anyone else does though.

Leclerc didn't hit him on the same move last 2 laps either. Just because Max is ultra aggressive, it doesn't mean all other drivers should just give in. Lewis has done that too often this season.

And this post is why we need a like button. The move on leclerc was sublime
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Matt C on July 19, 2021, 01:38:54 AM
Racing incident, Max got caught out because Lewis didnít yield and normally drivers (including Lewis) to this point have. Salty responses aside, understand RB feeling aggrieved but I think Lewis was more than entitled to go for that. The bully got bullied.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Matt C on July 19, 2021, 02:01:42 AM
Double post
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2021, 07:04:51 AM
Racing incident, Max got caught out because Lewis didnít yield and normally drivers (including Lewis) to this point have. Salty responses aside, understand RB feeling aggrieved but I think Lewis was more than entitled to go for that. The bully got bullied.

Agreed. As Lewis said afterwards, every single driver knows how Max drives, so should they all simply never try to pass him? Marko, Horner and Verstappen are the most dislikeable trio I've seen in F1. And much of the vitriol aimed at Hamilton is thinly veiled indeed. He's had to fight a damn sight harder than Verstappen to get there, and should never have to put up with the hate he gets, and should get a lot more respect for his achievements. Short of very unlucky engine DNFs when Rosberg lucked out in 2016, he's been unerringly consistent for so long, and for much of that time he's driven without having to barge about the track like a spoilt kid. Ever want to character check Max, ask Danny Kvyat.

I was never a big fan of Lewis in the early years as I thought he acted in a similar way to Max is now to be fair, so maybe he will grow out of it.

I do agree re Lando Norris though, would love to see him and Leclerc really take it to Red Bull and Merc next few seasons. Both are brilliant, and Leclerc appears to be a really decent racer, goes to apologise etc if its his fault and generally acts with a bit of respect.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Gareth on July 19, 2021, 09:01:28 AM
The whole incident showed that there is still immaturity in Verstappen, he clearly has the superior car & the last 5 races has proved it but he wasted that car advantage yesterday by driving that first lap like an idiotÖ.Lewis was like it as a younger driver but he learnt that if you donít win a race you finish it and accumulate points.  Max could have let Lewis go on that first lap and no doubt caught and passed him again later in the race but he let an aggressive driver behind him wind him up. 

As for Horners bellyaching about Ďit could have been a serious incidentí - look a bit closer to home to moan, your driver had acres of room to make that corner - but it has to be said the lobbying of the stewards over the radio is pretty pathetic to listen to
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
The Toto email was hilarious. Massi has nowhere near the respect Whiting had.

Very sad that Lewis has had to put up with racist trolling online again.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2021, 06:33:08 PM
Red Bull now trying to get more punishment for Hamilton. Very dangerous for the FIA if they manage it.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 30, 2021, 10:16:51 AM
Thrown out and rightly so.
Verstappen is a liability, just a slightly more talented version of his father.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: sickbeggar on August 01, 2021, 03:16:09 PM
Just won't watch F1 anymore. Until the authorities can do something about the dominance of Alpine and Aston Martin it's just a snoozefest.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on August 02, 2021, 08:44:45 AM
Glad that I tuned in to watch the start yesterday. Utter chaos and then the bizarre sight of only one car lining up on the grid for the restart.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: sickbeggar on August 02, 2021, 09:31:11 AM
I've always admired Alpine since the Chrysler/Talbot collaboration in the late 70's. Hopefully this will open a path for the likes of Hillman and Simca to return to F1.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Moonraker on August 02, 2021, 10:10:20 AM
You are a little Sunbeam arent you?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 02, 2021, 10:23:14 AM
My Dad had a Sunbeam Rapier series 3.
What a beautiful car. Those rear fins and red leather seats.
Overdrive aswell.
Very nice.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 03, 2021, 09:18:38 AM
I've always admired Alpine since the Chrysler/Talbot collaboration in the late 70's. Hopefully this will open a path for the likes of Hillman and Simca to return to F1.

Christ. My dad owned a Simca. He specialised in shit cars  :-[
Title: Re: f1
Post by: sickbeggar on August 03, 2021, 09:33:23 AM
I've always admired Alpine since the Chrysler/Talbot collaboration in the late 70's. Hopefully this will open a path for the likes of Hillman and Simca to return to F1.

Christ. My dad owned a Simca. He specialised in shit cars  :-[

Strangely enough a mate of mine's first car was a Simca. He does up old cars as a hobby and he was complaining how expensive they are now. Presumably because most of them had fell apart by 1981. ;D
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on August 09, 2021, 12:43:53 AM
Next years cars should allow for closer racing but itís been a great season this year so far. Plenty of folks moaning about dominance of Mercedes but Williams and mcclaren of the 80s and 90s.......The modern fan who knows nothing about its history is funny to watch on social media. Thank fuck SM didnít exist on the 80s and 90s 🤣
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on August 29, 2021, 03:48:25 PM
Well this Grand Prix is interesting......
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2021, 05:04:06 PM
Brilliant lap from Russell yesterday, shame that we probably wonít get to he how he gets on starting a race from the front row.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2021, 05:08:48 PM
Theyíre going to try to start and race for an hour. Could be entertaining chaos
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on August 29, 2021, 05:28:12 PM
Red flagged again.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 06:02:00 PM
Most farcical podium ever. Spoilt Dutchman closes the gap by doing nothing.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
Iím no Hamilton fan, but it seems wrong that he loses out points-wise after a ten minute safety car controlled pootle around.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 30, 2021, 02:31:09 PM
And nobody gets a refund on their ticket.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on August 30, 2021, 02:47:39 PM
Absolute shambles. You can't see any logical rationale for what happened yesterday other than money.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on September 05, 2021, 01:24:25 PM
That Verstappen made up 5 points in the championship based on last week was a total disgrace.

The fawning over him by sky is a bit tiresome too. You would think he's the one with 7 titles and almost 100 wins.

I think my favourite 2 on the grid now are Leclerc and Norris. Leclerc just seems to be a genuinely decent bloke in comparison to a Max type.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on September 05, 2021, 02:17:14 PM
No points should have been awarded last week. I also resent red bull having 4 drivers with alpha Tauri as the baby team can influence a race on beckoning of the main team.

My favourite non Lewis drivers are Norris and Pierre Gasly.

Some real shithouse tactics by red bull this season.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on September 05, 2021, 02:21:29 PM
No points should have been awarded last week. I also resent red bull having 4 drivers with alpha Tauri as the baby team can influence a race on beckoning of the main team.

My favourite non Lewis drivers are Norris and Pierre Gasly.

Some real shithouse tactics by red bull this season.

Mercedes basically have a B team as well, as do Ferrari
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on September 06, 2021, 04:54:41 PM
Bottas to Alfa Romeo

Therefore, expect a Russell to Mercedes announcement soon
Title: Re: f1
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 06, 2021, 07:36:09 PM
I hope so. Russell might be a little slower to let Verstappen through when bein lapped.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on September 07, 2021, 02:29:16 PM
Russell confirmed as the second Mercedes driver

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/07/george-russell-confirmed-as-lewis-hamilton-new-f1-teammate-at-mercedes-motor-sport
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on September 12, 2021, 04:32:20 PM
Great race this afternoon.

Solid and professional from Danny Ric and Lando.
Demolition Derby from Max and Lewis.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Matt C on September 12, 2021, 09:37:49 PM
Entertaining race, pleased for McLaren. The Lewis v Max crash has been coming but Max knew what he was doing there and showed a massive lack of class not even bothering to check on his fellow driver after he parked his car on his head.

Great driver and I admire the competitive nature but I canít escape the fact heís a bit of a wanker.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on September 14, 2021, 10:26:32 AM
A bit.... He's a full on entitled prick and it shows in the way he drives. He knew damn well once Lewis gets the corner in turn 1 there is only 1 line through turn 2, he's behind so does what Max does, crashes rather than backs out. He knew they were going to crash at Silverstone too, there was miles of room for him to back off and fought another day, but he would sooner crash. First lap In 3 races this season he's run Lewis out of road without penalty, so keeps doing it, the man is dangerous and needs to grow up in the car. One of the reasons Hamilton has 7, and genuinely for engine failure could have 9 world championships now is his ability to back out and bide his time. After 130 or so GP, he had learnt the lesson. Max has the better car on most tracks because the FIA handed Red Bull the advantage by changing the floor regs so much last winter, he should be miles ahead now. The fact they are not should worry them.

Even the grid pen is a waste of time because he's going to take an engine penalty anyway in Sochi.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Gareth on September 14, 2021, 11:13:47 AM
A bit.... He's a full on entitled prick and it shows in the way he drives. He knew damn well once Lewis gets the corner in turn 1 there is only 1 line through turn 2, he's behind so does what Max does, crashes rather than backs out. He knew they were going to crash at Silverstone too, there was miles of room for him to back off and fought another day, but he would sooner crash. First lap In 3 races this season he's run Lewis out of road without penalty, so keeps doing it, the man is dangerous and needs to grow up in the car. One of the reasons Hamilton has 7, and genuinely for engine failure could have 9 world championships now is his ability to back out and bide his time. After 130 or so GP, he had learnt the lesson. Max has the better car on most tracks because the FIA handed Red Bull the advantage by changing the floor regs so much last winter, he should be miles ahead now. The fact they are not should worry them.

Even the grid pen is a waste of time because he's going to take an engine penalty anyway in Sochi.

Agree with all of that, he is a menace.  Red Bull should be v concerned that their drivers immaturity is the reason they arenít miles ahead in Championship.  If he had bided his time at Silverstone and at the weekend heíd probably have won both races as well as saving hundreds of thousands on car repairs.  Lewis was a hothead but learnt if canít win you accumulate as many points as you canÖhe has verstappen on strings at the moment
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 14, 2021, 11:22:28 AM
His Dad wasn't exactly gifted in the driving skills department either.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on September 15, 2021, 07:25:56 AM
I can't believe Red Bull are dictating terms over the new engine format from 2025 too. Merc et Al should hold strong. I don't really like the idea of over 50% of power coming from electric on an f1 car either... But maybe I'm an old git.

I really want 4 teams in the title fight next season. It would make it so much better.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: KNVillan on September 15, 2021, 10:48:52 AM
Sir Lewis @ Met Gala 2021Öthe hit on the head at the weekend mustíve affected him more than the Doctorís thought


(https://i.ibb.co/qn4V5Kr/FE9-B6-FBB-1-B82-43-EA-8308-E91-AB8-F30-C4-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qn4V5Kr)

picture uploading site (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: f1
Post by: KRS on September 18, 2021, 04:37:35 AM
WTF is that all about?! And we thought Grealish dressed like a ******?! Fcukin Ďell.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on September 21, 2021, 09:35:52 AM
In fairness that's pretty tame for Lewis. He wears some really odd shit. A suit with a net curtain is a bit of a head scratcher though. Where is the functionalilty. Just blocks your pocket.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on September 21, 2021, 09:43:19 AM
Maybe that's how you have to dress in order to be allowed to enter the USA

Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on September 25, 2021, 07:31:41 PM
An entertaining qualifying today.

All that driving around at 200mph and Hamilton somehow manages to drive into the pit lane wall.

Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on September 26, 2021, 03:25:03 PM
Tough on Lando today. If the rain had held off for five more minutes, he'd have one.

Good tactics in the end by Mercedes.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on September 26, 2021, 03:27:24 PM
Tough on Lando today. If the rain had held off for five more minutes, he'd have one.

Good tactics in the end by Mercedes.

Great by Red Bull for Max too. But congratulations Hamilton. Gutted for Norris pleased for Sainz. Reckon this is Maxís year though as the Red Bull has the pace. Or at least Max does.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 14, 2021, 05:27:44 PM
Bottas is so phoning it in at the moment. I wonder if it makes sense for Mercedes to put in one of their test drivers for the last few races, who at least would try and help Hamilton by messing with the Red Bulls.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on November 28, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
Sir Frank Williams has passed away. A great man for achieving what he achieved despite his disability. The era in the 90s when Williams Racing absolutely trounced everyone in sight was a wonderful chapter in F1. RIP Sir Frank.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on November 28, 2021, 03:18:13 PM
RIP Frank. Williams were the team to watch when I was a kid and started to get into F1. Really sad loss.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 05, 2021, 06:53:41 PM
The FIA are determined to give this title to that nasty little fella.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: luke:lamf on December 05, 2021, 07:15:16 PM
I started watching it but gave up after the red flag. Been dropping in and out of the season and it just feels like to much is decided by the stewards, or safety cars, and not enough by actual racing (or even pit stop tactics). Verstappen, you are right, is a nasty little shit of a driver whose head has been inflated by the acclaim he received as a "precocious talent" and transformed into a divine right to drive into whomever he wishes. Hamilton is whingy too when things don't go his way, but on the track he is a fair racer.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on December 05, 2021, 07:32:27 PM
I can see this title being decided in the courts the way Max is driving. I expect to hear Horner whining after the race again.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 05, 2021, 09:10:29 PM
If next week ends with a crash, the Dutch liability wins it.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 09:27:38 PM
Red Bull, Horner and Verstappen have been an embarrassment to the sport this year. I hope Mercedes smash them next week.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 05, 2021, 09:42:21 PM
Karen Horner.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Gareth on December 07, 2021, 08:27:53 AM
Well itís the finale that the sport wantedÖ.just hope the stewards are able to deduct points if that lunatic Verstappen just smashes Hamilton off the track at corner 1 next week.  Lewis was spot on saying that he goes over the limits, Red Bull donít manage him properly & when he hurts (or even worse) himself or someone else they should be ones in the dock.

Hopefully Lewis wins the championship, Mercedes win the constructors & Red Bull, Horner, Marko & Verstappen grow the feck up.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Steve67 on December 08, 2021, 07:46:58 PM
Looking forward to this. Come on Lewis!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 08, 2021, 07:55:15 PM
It's going to be a great watch.
I'm just worried that Max will push beyond even his dangerous limits.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 09, 2021, 05:23:23 PM
Max will run out of talent long before Lewis will.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Risso on December 09, 2021, 05:55:34 PM
I've probably mentioned my mate before, but he's the F1 Powertrain director at Mercedes, ie he's basically in charge of Hamilton's engine. He's absolutely convinced that Verstappen will try something stupid, and their lawyers are on standby already.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 09, 2021, 05:57:54 PM
That's why Michael Masi has pointed out the Sporting Reg that allows the stewards to apply championship point penalties if the crime demands it.

The FIA absolutely do not want another Schumacher / Hill moment.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Drummond on December 10, 2021, 09:36:21 AM
If he does do something stupid they just need to deduct one point too. Its not like they need to justify a big deduction of 25 points or anything.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Simon Page on December 10, 2021, 04:54:51 PM
Check out the difference in responses from Toto Wolff and Christian Horner here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59612265 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59612265) to see the difference. I really hope Hamilton celebrates number 8 on Sunday.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 10, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
Check out the difference in responses from Toto Wolff and Christian Horner here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59612265 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59612265) to see the difference. I really hope Hamilton celebrates number 8 on Sunday.
No surprises in the two responses.
I'm sure that Red Bull have awesome staff who work tirelessly for the cause and it will be some achievement if they manage a win on Sunday.
But Cristian Horner FFS!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 10, 2021, 06:57:53 PM
Yep, Horner is a bell end of the highest order.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 11, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
Well Red bull played a blinder to put him on pole with a huge tow first 2 sectors. Interesting to see how long his soft tyres take to run out, and whether they have to 2 stop it. Telling comment from Lewis... I'm glad he's where I can see him at the start.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 11, 2021, 02:33:45 PM
Yep, Horner is a bell end of the highest order.

Utter thundercunt. Exudes twat from every fibre of his being.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2021, 12:47:50 PM
So the best plan is for Lewis to get the fastest lap in for one point and then run him off the road in a "racing accident". Job done.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on December 12, 2021, 12:52:39 PM
Yep, Horner is a bell end of the highest order.

Utter thundercunt. Exudes twat from every fibre of his being.

Until I watched Netflix survive to drive I didn't realise what a supreme backstabbing ****** he was.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 01:22:51 PM
Martin brundlefly is annoying me. That lunge from max was awful
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2021, 01:53:45 PM
Great decision by Race Director. Not sure what Brundle was on about giving the place back as Verstappen was never ahead of Lewis.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on December 12, 2021, 02:26:10 PM
Interesting end to the race.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2021, 02:37:32 PM
Surely there has to be an appeal against the end there, decision is made to leave the lapped cars in place, Horner has a sulk and suddenly the decision is changed to effectively hand it to Verstappen.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Stu on December 12, 2021, 02:38:31 PM
Stitch up.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 02:39:50 PM
Sky fucking up sport in name of entertainment. Iím done with F1
Title: Re: f1
Post by: manic-road on December 12, 2021, 02:40:51 PM
I bet Horner was onto the race director to get a race on, shite Lewis had no chance on old tyres.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 12, 2021, 02:41:45 PM
Absolute joke of a decision at the end.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Beard82 on December 12, 2021, 02:45:41 PM
I donít understand that at all.  To be honest I donít really understand f1 full stop

But that just seems to ridiculous.

Itís like in football being 2 nil up - and then the referee deciding it will be decided by next goal wins
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on December 12, 2021, 02:47:27 PM
Great result. Glad to see Verstappen win the title.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
Sky fucking up sport in name of entertainment. Iím done with F1

Not a massive follower of F1, but that just seemed utterly corrupt. 
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 02:53:21 PM
I fucking detest Red Bull. That result is an absolute fucking fix. At least the ratings will go back up now. I just hope rules become more consistent not let 4 cars through so you can have your ďsuper SundayĒ result. Fuck Red Bull I hope that they never win another championship. Jos Verstappen can finally get glory though at least.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 12, 2021, 02:56:46 PM
I'm pleased for his Dad.
But to effectively go the opposite way with the back markers after we all heard Horners request is just shite.
Just like Jim Beglin, Horner can do one.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2021, 02:58:04 PM
I bet Horner was onto the race director to get a race on, shite Lewis had no chance on old tyres.
He fucking was. He asked why did they make the decision to not allow lapped cars to overtake safety car and director said to him give me a minute and I will come back to you. 39 seconds later decision was made to allow lapped cars to overtake and clear the track for one race lap thus rewarding Red Bull for poor performance all afternoon and pitting during safety car. An awful corrupt reversal under pressure.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 03:00:43 PM
Why do they talk to salty spice in the race? I didnít hear any other RDs speak to sky. Ah well, Netflix footage. Iíve followed F1 since 1986. I simply cannot be fucking bothered after this season. Thanks Latifi you absolute throbber
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2021, 03:00:52 PM
When money meets sport it ceases to be sport.
Nonsense.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 03:04:09 PM
When money meets sport it ceases to be sport.
Nonsense.
Itís always been money in F1 but to win on inconsistent officiating. That decision and massis explanation to toto is awful. All backmarkers should have passed or none. I will get over it and at least it has been entertaining but thatís just it, it doesnít feel like a sport anymore.

Well done Max. Fuck Red Bull
Title: Re: f1
Post by: TonyD on December 12, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
This one will go to court. 
Donít think I have ever seen something this ridiculous.
Utter corruption. 
Title: Re: f1
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2021, 03:22:19 PM
It's stuff like this:

Quote
Jack Nicholls
BBC Radio 5 Live F1 commentator

It was ultimately fair, just about. It was unlucky and very messy.

It's the rub of the green.

The controversial element is the way they got to the decision on lapped cars, rather than the decision itself.

The ultimate fair decision would have been a red flag and a straight five-lap fight on new tyres.

Hamilton had no chance of holding on this way, but that was unlucky rather than anything else.

That's going to get very tired very quickly because there's no logic to it.

If he had 'no chance of holding on' then the race directors were left with a decision, with 1 lap to go, of whether they handed the title to Hamilton or Verstappen, they made a decision which faoured Hamilton and then changed their minds when Horner asked them to. As he says, a red flag to let Hamilton change tires and then have a 5 lap battle would've been fine, as soon as they allowed it to go as it did the winner was in the hands of the race director and that can't be how it gets decided if they want to avoid calls of corruption and legal challenges. I'll be amazed if Mercedes let this go.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Stu on December 12, 2021, 03:24:24 PM
This was the first Formula 1 race I have watched properly for years and years tbh. As far I could see, the result was basically arbitrary and depended on people crashing which totally nullified the previous 54 laps of racing. What a strange sport it has become; Hamilton was 11 seconds in front with 4-5 laps to go, Verstappen couldn't make a serious dent in Hamilton's lead, Red Bull hadn't made a correct decision all race, yet Hamilton ended up having to race one lap on old tires. What a load of nonsense. Asterisk permanently added to Verstappen's championship win in the record books.

It's like being 2-0 up on 89 mins and the match is stopped, the losing side get to make three substitutions and the ref declares next goal wins.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
This one will go to court. 
Donít think I have ever seen something this ridiculous.
Utter corruption.
It wonít. Itís what the ďsportĒ wanted. He is an amazing driver but hope next year the rules give us fair racing and no controversy. But max is tutored by that vile ****** piquet who claims to be the best Brazilian F1 driver. Adelaide 94 was as contentious but this was for the ratings, the new audience etc etc.
Iíve already been called a butthurt Lewis fan on sm but I could accept a race win that was well fought. But RB were gifted this by a dodgy decision as all backmarkers should have reset. They were not. From Spa-Francochamps to dodgy decisions in Brazil, the rules have been inconsistent and F1 gets sky more views PPv next year, Netflix gets more viewage of that horrendous documentary. I just feel this was engineered to give a season ďfinaleĒ. Like VAR favouring the sky 6, itís just bit shit. Bums on seats, advert revenue etc. See you all in the GT3 coverage where you can actually race
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Beard82 on December 12, 2021, 03:32:53 PM
This was the first Formula 1 race I have watched properly for years and years tbh. As far I could see, the result was basically arbitrary and depended on people crashing which totally nullified the previous 54 laps of racing. What a strange sport it has become; Hamilton was 11 seconds in front with 4-5 laps to go, Verstappen couldn't make a serious dent in Hamilton's lead, Red Bull hadn't made a correct decision all race, yet Hamilton ended up having to race one lap on old tires. What a load of nonsense. Asterisk permanently added to Verstappen's championship win in the record books.

It's like being 2-0 up on 89 mins and the match is stopped, the losing side get to make three substitutions and the ref declares next goal wins.
That exactly how it seems to me - I said earlier to Mrs Beard I donít see why anyone would watch F1 - donít see the appeal.  I ended up watching it because it was that of Muppets Xmas Carol. 

Actually quite enjoyed it - until the end - it just seemed massively unfair like you say. 

So now back to my original view why would anyone watch this.

The more money in a sport the worse it seems to be
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Stu on December 12, 2021, 03:34:59 PM
The more money in a sport the worse it seems to be

F1 has always been drenched in money though and it used to be a lot better than this.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 03:40:09 PM
Mercedes appealing the result
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2021, 03:40:39 PM
It's like being 2-0 up on 89 mins and the match is stopped, the losing side get to make three substitutions and the ref declares next goal wins.
And the team that was winning now has a goalkeeper with his hands and feet tied together.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2021, 03:44:49 PM
Mercedes appealing the result

That was inevitable, there's no precedent for a decision like that and, as everyone knows, it handed a huge advantage to Verstappen, to the point it would'e been the most heroic lap in history if Hamilton had held on, which shouldn't be the case when he was cruising to the title before the crash.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Stu on December 12, 2021, 03:44:59 PM
Poll for the thread: Who is more corrupt?

Stockley Park (VAR)

FIA
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 12, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
That's the most utterly disgraceful 15 minutes of sport I've seen in a long time. Incredibly, Masi changed his mind because Horner told him too. Max didn't win that championship. He was gifted it. Lewis drove a perfect race and got utterly fecked over by Horner and Masi
Title: Re: f1
Post by: lovejoy on December 12, 2021, 04:06:39 PM
I donít understand that at all.  To be honest I donít really understand f1 full stop

But that just seems to ridiculous.

Itís like in football being 2 nil up - and then the referee deciding it will be decided by next goal wins

Exactly, letís ignite whoís winning and just have a one lap race off.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2021, 04:08:21 PM
I imagine that for a lot of people that was only the full F1 race they've watched all year, and they go and do that. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Beard82 on December 12, 2021, 04:21:32 PM
I don’t understand that at all.  To be honest I don’t really understand f1 full stop

But that just seems to ridiculous.

It’s like in football being 2 nil up - and then the referee deciding it will be decided by next goal wins

Exactly, let’s ignite who’s winning and just have a one lap race off.
Fortunately they didn’t go quite that far
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Beard82 on December 12, 2021, 04:23:09 PM
I imagine that for a lot of people that was only the full F1 race they've watched all year, and they go and do that. Unbelievable.
Thatís the thing I actually was really enjoying it and thinking - maybe this is worth watching after all.

And then I think - bloody hell - I canít be doing with that if I actually care who wins
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 12, 2021, 04:52:00 PM
Masi handed in his resignation notice with the way he handled the end of that race. He's proven himself to be utterly unfit to be the F1 Race Director.

Shambles.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Gareth on December 12, 2021, 05:11:08 PM
Poll for the thread: Who is more corrupt?

Stockley Park (VAR)

FIA
Itís still VAR
Title: Re: f1
Post by: TonyD on December 12, 2021, 05:41:34 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?

Mainly because he's a twat.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 06:19:17 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?

Mainly because he's a twat.
A massive whining bellend who married a spice girl
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Richard E on December 12, 2021, 06:29:55 PM
Sheís lovely, though.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 12, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
Well appeal one thrown out. Appeal 2 due at 18.45
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 12, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?

A man who gets paid millions of pounds a year, to run one of only two F1 teams who have an annual budget north of £300m, yet still claims repeatedly that it's all so unfair?

No idea.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 12, 2021, 07:16:41 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?

A man who gets paid millions of pounds a year, to run one of only two F1 teams who have an annual budget north of £300m, yet still claims repeatedly that it's all so unfair?

No idea.

Because he is one of the most smug, intolerable ****** to wander the earth, has the morals of a grubby rat and the grace of jabba the hut. Apart from that I am sure he is lovely.

Meanwhile, the result fixed completely for the nasty shitbag that drives for him stands, despite the rules clearly being breached.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 12, 2021, 07:19:32 PM
Farcical race decision only made because it was the last race. That happens halfway during the season then the race ends under safety car conditions.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2021, 07:21:10 PM
This was the first Formula 1 race I have watched properly for years and years tbh. As far I could see, the result was basically arbitrary and depended on people crashing which totally nullified the previous 54 laps of racing. What a strange sport it has become; 

Probably been 20+ years since I watched one but IIRC a crash and a safety car coming out has always been a pretty big factor. Hamilton was unlucky it happened when it did but went wide on the last lap and paid the price. Happy for Verstappen and the Dutch fans cheering on their first World Champion.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 12, 2021, 07:22:04 PM
FIA reject a protest against them. What a surprise.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 12, 2021, 07:24:04 PM
This was the first Formula 1 race I have watched properly for years and years tbh. As far I could see, the result was basically arbitrary and depended on people crashing which totally nullified the previous 54 laps of racing. What a strange sport it has become; 

Probably been 20+ years since I watched one but IIRC a crash and a safety car coming out has always been a pretty big factor. Hamilton was unlucky it happened when it did but went wide on the last lap and paid the price. Happy for Verstappen and the Dutch fans cheering on their first World Champion.

He was on worn hard tyres. Against brand new soft tyres. What was he supposed to do.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 12, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
This was the first Formula 1 race I have watched properly for years and years tbh. As far I could see, the result was basically arbitrary and depended on people crashing which totally nullified the previous 54 laps of racing. What a strange sport it has become; 

Probably been 20+ years since I watched one but IIRC a crash and a safety car coming out has always been a pretty big factor. Hamilton was unlucky it happened when it did but went wide on the last lap and paid the price. Happy for Verstappen and the Dutch fans cheering on their first World Champion.

A last lap that was contrived, and had Hamilton pitted and been behind Verstappen, I would bet my mortgage on them not re-starting. Today was a stain on sport to allow it to finish in such a contrived manner cooked up by Horner and Masi, especially when 30s before Horner whispered in his ear the lapped cars were not going to be released. Total fix, and Verstappen has been utterly objectionable all season.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 12, 2021, 07:26:16 PM
FIA reject a protest against them. What a surprise.

It's mad isn't it.

"Lads, Mercedes have appealed against a decision we made."

"We'd better hold an investigation then"

"Anyone think we broke the rules?"

"Nope"

"Well that settles it then. Appeal dismissed!"

Shambles.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 12, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
Are we getting any proper explain why only part of the field were allowed to unlap themselves?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: TonyD on December 12, 2021, 07:32:01 PM
Funny how all the presenters and commentators both Sky and BBC seem to think what happened was fine and Max ďdeservedlyĒ won the race. 
Having your nose in the trough can certainly make people talk bullshit. 

Robbie Savage is the only person in the media that gave it straight on 606 tonight.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 12, 2021, 07:55:51 PM
Merc not said a word to the media and left the track, and lodged official intention to appeal. For the good of the sport, they should take this all the way to the court of arbitration for sport.

As to why people don't like Horner..... invoking the memory of Nikki Lauda to support his argument is just about as apt a summary of his shittiness as it comes, knowing full well how close Lewis, Toto Wolf and Lauda were.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Beard82 on December 12, 2021, 08:14:20 PM
See the apeal was rejected.

The biggest issue I would say, is someone like me watched this, and thought this is quite good - maybe I should get more into this. 

Then watch something like that, and think - well this is a load of shite.  Its like watching WWE

I dont really care about who won, but that seemed massively unfair - and without at least a pretence of fairness, its not a sport.

I get that no sport is fair, cos always there will be underdog(s) - but this is like giving the title to the team that finished second in the league.

The more money in a sport, the shitter it becomes.  Is anything in football more entertaining than 20 years ago - no course it isn't.

The players are fitter - and coached better, but at the end of the day, is its not any more entertaining. 
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 12, 2021, 08:21:36 PM
Max Verstappen F1 World Champion 2021*

*Decided by a man in a suit to please the TV men in suits.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2021, 08:24:45 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?

He supports Coventry City.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 12, 2021, 08:26:25 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?

He supports Coventry City.

Karen Horner as heís now known.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 12, 2021, 08:29:54 PM
I'm sure I've read multiple accounts of FIA favouring Mercedes and Hamilton so I'm a bit confused about the talk of a fix in favour of Red Bull and Verstappen.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2021, 08:32:00 PM
It seems that the race Director has fair amount of discretion to allow a race to take place regardless of  some infringement of other rules. That's how it should be but  how is it a fair race when you know already that due to hard worked advantage gained over 57 laps the car in the lead is in no position to compete when it's gain has been eliminated?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: London Villan on December 12, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
If MV pitted why didnt hamilton pit after. He was ahead of him on the track?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Beard82 on December 12, 2021, 08:40:42 PM
If MV pitted why didnt hamilton pit after. He was ahead of him on the track?
From what I could understand is they didnt know if the race would restart, so if hamilton pitted he could have been behind MV - and if it didnt restart (which looked likely) then they would have finished second?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2021, 08:46:09 PM
I donít follow F1 closely.  Why the anti Horner sentiment?

Haven't followed the thread but I think it might be because he lives in the UK and pays tax here.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 12, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
If MV pitted why didnt hamilton pit after. He was ahead of him on the track?
Yes I think it was all about track position at the time. Hamilton would have lost it.
They would have run through the options apart from the contrived one that followed.
From what I could understand is they didnt know if the race would restart, so if hamilton pitted he could have been behind MV - and if it didnt restart (which looked likely) then they would have finished second?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 12, 2021, 09:10:53 PM
If MV pitted why didnt hamilton pit after. He was ahead of him on the track?

The safety car was out. So by the time Hamilton got back round to the pit lane he didn't have a gap to pit and get back out in front. It was essentially a free pit stop for Verstappen.

What should've happened is that as soon as it was clear it would take a while to sort the track out from the Latifi crash the race should've been red flagged. That would've meant Hamilton and Verstappen could race it out to the end but they'd both be on fresh tyres. But as soon as he sent the safety car out Masi put himself in a situation where he had to decide who was going to be world champion which should never happen.

Masi has got to go. He's unfit to be race director and this is the worst way for Verstappen to win his first title.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 12, 2021, 09:24:54 PM
If MV pitted why didnt hamilton pit after. He was ahead of him on the track?

The safety car was out. So by the time Hamilton got back round to the pit lane he didn't have a gap to pit and get back out in front. It was essentially a free pit stop for Verstappen.

What should've happened is that as soon as it was clear it would take a while to sort the track out from the Latifi crash the race should've been red flagged. That would've meant Hamilton and Verstappen could race it out to the end but they'd both be on fresh tyres. But as soon as he sent the safety car out Masi put himself in a situation where he had to decide who was going to be world champion which should never happen.

Masi has got to go. He's unfit to be race director and this is the worst way for Verstappen to win his first title.

100% agree.
Mercedes brought a barrister along as they knew potentially events might require one.
I do feel for Max as this overshadows his achievement.

Next year will be tougher because essentially Mercedes have developed next seasons car early at the expense of this years and hello here comes George Russell!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 12, 2021, 10:08:16 PM
Russell in the second merc today and max doesn't have that free pit. Lewis has battled the 2 red bulls alone at times this season.

As for the FIA favouring Lewis, rubbish. Them not getting tough with Max early this season set the tone, and allowed him to bully his way through the season.

His victory today was hollow, as is his world title. I sincerely hope ferrari and Mclaren close the gap and red bull struggle next season. Oh and that Geri gives Horner crabs.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2021, 10:54:15 PM
As I said in a post before, I don't really follow F1 too closely, but I just can't see how it is possible for someone to be so far ahead in a sporting contest and through no fault of their own, have that advantage completely wiped out and be reduced to what was effectively a disadvantaged position. 

It is as equally baffling how one person can influence and shape the contest, and manufacture a result in that way.  I can't think of any other sport where that could happen. 
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Rico on December 12, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
Fergie time!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 12, 2021, 11:26:32 PM
I really miss Charlie Whiting. RIP.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2021, 07:43:29 AM
As I said in a post before, I don't really follow F1 too closely, but I just can't see how it is possible for someone to be so far ahead in a sporting contest and through no fault of their own, have that advantage completely wiped out and be reduced to what was effectively a disadvantaged position. 

It is as equally baffling how one person can influence and shape the contest, and manufacture a result in that way.  I can't think of any other sport where that could happen. 

Kevin Friend says hello.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 13, 2021, 08:00:21 AM
I would have cancelled yesterdayís race and max would still be champion but there was still the shit show of the non-race at spa. This season was first under new owners who want to make the sport entertaining. Iím probably out now. Ah well, the glorious Dutch fans on FB throwing great comments like Lewis fans should pull down more statues......
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Gareth on December 13, 2021, 08:47:19 AM
At the start of the season if someone had said the drivers championship would go to the final lap of the final race everyone would have been happyÖ.just happens that the FIA have found a way for that to happen & also make a compete mess of it.

Once they gave it to Max you couldnít take it back hence the failed appeals, turkeys donít vote for Christmas so stewards were not going to overturn it.

The race director has to resign, if he doesnít then all the teams should refuse to race next year because he is clearly not competent to administer a sport  where the competitors are risking their lives whenever on the track.

He made up the rules in Spa, he did the same yesterdayÖ.neither driver did anything wrong all day and the actions of the race director has taken the shine off Max winning his first championshipÖ.winner takes it all it was billed as, in reality it has become World Champion with an asterix
Title: Re: f1
Post by: TonyD on December 13, 2021, 11:04:13 AM
This will be overturned by the courts.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: FrankyH on December 13, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
I don't think Verstappen would have been as graceful in defeat as Lewis Hamilton , that might come with time as he is still young. What would be really funny if the result was overturned and Christian Horner had a face like a slapped arse.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Damo70 on December 13, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
For such a fast sport they aren't very fast at dealing with crucial decisions.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2021, 11:28:59 AM
This will be overturned by the courts.

I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: sickbeggar on December 13, 2021, 11:32:14 AM
I've got a feeling Hamilton will retire sometime in the next month. He's getting on, made his money, and doesn't need this crap anymore. Also he's up against a guy who's as insane as early-era Schumacher when it comes to taking risks and the next time a car lands on his head he may not be so lucky.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 13, 2021, 11:32:35 AM
This will be overturned by the courts.

I very much doubt it.

Yep, there's no chance it'll get overturned.  But I reckon there'll be some sort of settlement with Mercedes as the FIA are on very shaky ground with how they handled the safety car period yesterday.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: cdward on December 13, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
I've got a feeling Hamilton will retire sometime in the next month. He's getting on, made his money, and doesn't need this crap anymore. Also he's up against a guy who's as insane as early-era Schumacher when it comes to taking risks and the next time a car lands on his head he may not be so lucky.
When he was asked in his post match interview if he will be back next season, he didn't really commit.
He probably wanted to bow out as the GOAT, with 8 titles.
I wonder will he still have the fight in him?
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2021, 11:40:01 AM
Russell in the second merc today and max doesn't have that free pit. Lewis has battled the 2 red bulls alone at times this season.

As for the FIA favouring Lewis, rubbish. Them not getting tough with Max early this season set the tone, and allowed him to bully his way through the season.

His victory today was hollow, as is his world title. I sincerely hope ferrari and Mclaren close the gap and red bull struggle next season. Oh and that Geri gives Horner crabs.

I must have been living under a rock as I only found out yesterday that Karen is married to Geri!
Title: Re: f1
Post by: sickbeggar on December 13, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
I've got a feeling Hamilton will retire sometime in the next month. He's getting on, made his money, and doesn't need this crap anymore. Also he's up against a guy who's as insane as early-era Schumacher when it comes to taking risks and the next time a car lands on his head he may not be so lucky.
When he was asked in his post match interview if he will be back next season, he didn't really commit.
He probably wanted to bow out as the GOAT, with 8 titles.
I wonder will he still have the fight in him?

Yep. All he said was "we'll see", no mention of coming back to take on Redbull.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 13, 2021, 12:15:18 PM
I've got a feeling Hamilton will retire sometime in the next month. He's getting on, made his money, and doesn't need this crap anymore. Also he's up against a guy who's as insane as early-era Schumacher when it comes to taking risks and the next time a car lands on his head he may not be so lucky.
When he was asked in his post match interview if he will be back next season, he didn't really commit.
He probably wanted to bow out as the GOAT, with 8 titles.
I wonder will he still have the fight in him?

I don't think Red Bull are the issue in terms of whether he continues or not.  A much bigger consideration is that next year's he'll have an incredibly talented youngster on the other side of the garage, in identical equipment, and Lewis isn't getting any younger.  Russell is the future of the team and if Lewis sticks around, sooner or later he'll be beaten on merit by him.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villa Lew on December 13, 2021, 12:17:58 PM
Hamilton's certainly gained a lot of fans for his sportsmanship, the way he took defeat shows what sort of block he is. I would be surprised if he retired now, surely he wants to beat Schumacher's titles and become GOAT.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2021, 12:22:20 PM
He'll be back in 2022, Mercedes pretty much sacrificed this year to develop the 2022 car.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: lovejoy on December 13, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
Why were the lapped cars allowed to get out of the way between 1st and 2nd but not 2nd and 3rd thus denying Sainz a run at the win on the last lap? Under any reckoning this is inconsistent.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 13, 2021, 12:38:14 PM
Why were the lapped cars allowed to get out of the way between 1st and 2nd but not 2nd and 3rd thus denying Sainz a run at the win on the last lap? Under any reckoning this is inconsistent.
Sainz almost lost 3rd too. Mercy not appealing by looks of it but all eyes in Ferrari next year as they look to be developing something special
Title: Re: f1
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2021, 12:55:45 PM
Why were the lapped cars allowed to get out of the way between 1st and 2nd but not 2nd and 3rd thus denying Sainz a run at the win on the last lap? Under any reckoning this is inconsistent.

because they all had to pass the safety car before it came in and by the time they made the decision they couldn't get them all through. That's why the decision was so controversial, basically they created a racing lap for the title by deciding that placing further back didn't matter.

The analogy I liked yesterday was if the premier league, after lockdown, decided to only play the games for the title contenders and everyone who wasn't involved got points based on averages because "no one cares what happens to the people who can't win". It's a fucking horrible attitude, there's no precedent for it and he should lose his job as a result. I fell sorry for both drivers, it's the shittiest, most contrived end to the season imaginable when this should've been one of the best ever.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 13, 2021, 12:58:26 PM
This will be overturned by the courts.

I very much doubt it.

Yep, there's no chance it'll get overturned.  But I reckon there'll be some sort of settlement with Mercedes as the FIA are on very shaky ground with how they handled the safety car period yesterday.

There will be some form of Statement, either the FIA admitting they cocked up, or being found to have cocked up, and that Hamilton should have won, but that the official result cannot be changed retrospectively.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 13, 2021, 01:11:17 PM
There's more chance of Jennifer Lawrence popping round to mine on Christmas Day for a bit of bedroom action, with the full support of my wife, than there is of the FIA publicly stating Hamilton should've won!

This will be another behind closed doors thing, just like the settlement with Ferrari a couple of years back.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 13, 2021, 01:53:01 PM
This will be overturned by the courts.

I very much doubt it.

Yep, there's no chance it'll get overturned.  But I reckon there'll be some sort of settlement with Mercedes as the FIA are on very shaky ground with how they handled the safety car period yesterday.

There will be some form of Statement, either the FIA admitting they cocked up, or being found to have cocked up, and that Hamilton should have won, but that the official result cannot be changed retrospectively.

Spot on. The whole thing is shocking.

Worst of all though... After the eifel gp Masi clearly stated the rules say all cars must pass the safety car and unlap themselves even if it means extending the safety car period. He was speaking to the press after the race. Merc will win the appeal but it won't overturn the result. Masi won't work in F1 again though.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 13, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
Telegraph. Behind a paywall. But in my view the best summary of events I have seen.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/12/13/lewis-hamilton-cheated-eighth-f1-world-title-race-result-cannot/



Title: Re: f1
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 13, 2021, 05:08:12 PM
There's more chance of Jennifer Lawrence popping round to mine on Christmas Day for a bit of bedroom action, with the full support of my wife, than there is of the FIA publicly stating Hamilton should've won!

This will be another behind closed doors thing, just like the settlement with Ferrari a couple of years back.

Don't agree. because she's already popping round to mine.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 13, 2021, 05:21:02 PM
Telegraph. Behind a paywall. But in my view the best summary of events I have seen.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/12/13/lewis-hamilton-cheated-eighth-f1-world-title-race-result-cannot/

One of the biggest sporting stitch ups ever.
A contrived climax for the masses to make sure the season long battle didn't end in a flat safety car conclusion.

It will work though as it will attract more publicity and more viewers overall whilst probably losing genuine followers of the sport.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 13, 2021, 05:35:35 PM
I donít get the modern cult of tribalism in F1. I followed Williams but still liked mcclaren years ago. Dust settled and credit to max for winning. But Red Bull acting like throbbers all year hasnít helped. And will avoid the Netflix series like herpes
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 13, 2021, 06:32:46 PM
Just picked up my lad and Horner was doing the rounds on 5live and Talkshite.
I quickly flipped the channel when I heard "These things tend to even themselves out"
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 13, 2021, 11:51:08 PM
I donít get the modern cult of tribalism in F1. I followed Williams but still liked mcclaren years ago. Dust settled and credit to max for winning. But Red Bull acting like throbbers all year hasnít helped. And will avoid the Netflix series like herpes

I like most of the teams apart from Red Bull. Gunter Steiner has to be one of the best characters in sport.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Villafirst on December 14, 2021, 08:18:59 AM
I don't follow F1 that much, but why was Lewis Hamilton effectively penalised and had to forfeit his 11 second advantage? Almost a certainty to win with only a few laps to complete. A travesty.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on December 14, 2021, 10:25:14 AM
Safety cars happen. It's just bad luck. What isn't bad luck though is the race director breaking the rules, rules he publically stated he had to follow in a similar situation last season, to decide the result of the world championship.

Had the rules been followed and Hamilton lost, that's just the way it goes - regardless of the lead he had just before the safety car.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on December 15, 2021, 01:10:54 PM
Agreed. Listening to the on board some of the other drives clearly thought it was utter shit too. Lance Stroll, Vettel, Sainz and Danny Ric all saying it was fucked up.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Simon Page on December 15, 2021, 03:41:31 PM
That's the thing for me. I'm going to be biased in favour of Hamilton to almost the degree I am with the Villa. Every independent voice is saying the decision-making by Masi was off.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on December 15, 2021, 08:59:54 PM
Itís any stick to beat Hamilton with. Forgetting the tax haven that is Monte Carlo is where mr Verstappen lives. Itís a shit decision by massi in more than one occasion. Sure the Netflix fans love it though. I dropped out of the sport in the mid noughties returning in 2014. Itís all a bit of a shit show nowadays. I really hope the close racing promised in 22 materialises to bust the wdc wide open
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on March 17, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
New season this weekend - does anyone fancy joining an H&V fantasy F1 league?

It's the most open season we've had in years.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: wince on March 20, 2022, 05:24:09 PM
New season this weekend - does anyone fancy joining an H&V fantasy F1 league?

It's the most open season we've had in years.

Iím in. Great first race
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Ad@m on March 20, 2022, 07:18:31 PM
New season this weekend - does anyone fancy joining an H&V fantasy F1 league?

It's the most open season we've had in years.

Iím in. Great first race

It was indeed. Always good to see the Red Bulls get kicked in the nuts!!

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Title: Re: f1
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 11, 2022, 04:53:45 PM
Sky have recruited Naomi Schiff as one of the crew. She talks with authority and looks like a goddess.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on June 11, 2022, 09:14:49 PM
Sky have recruited Naomi Schiff as one of the crew. She talks with authority and looks like a goddess.

Itís good when Sky change-up the team.

I guess that Brundle is at Le Mans, where his son is driving this weekend. Ant Davidson is also there commentating.

This makes Paul DiResta the main co-commentator. Heís a natural replacement for Brundle at some point.

Not sure where Ted is.

Naomi Schiff might not have been quite good enough a driver in the W Series, but sheís a great addition to Sky.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2022, 05:25:06 PM
Di Resta is such a red bull fan boy he gets right on my wick.

The new cars that were designed to follow still can't over take

The new floor rules make the cars awful to watch as they bounce about so much, and now I am fairly sure that the bouncing is starting to effect the reliability of some with the engines being pretty sensitive things.

Oh and they are still changing the rules to suit Red Bull as we saw in Monaco last week with crossing the pit lane line. Last season there was a genuine title fight and it was pretty interesting. This season has been largely Red Bull telling Perez to get out the way for Max, Ferrari shooting themselves in the foot and everyone else driving dog awful cars. Garbage season so far.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
Silverstone first  lap accident.  Looks serious for Alfa Romeo and Zhou Guanyu.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: UK Redsox on July 03, 2022, 03:32:30 PM
Silverstone first  lap accident.  Looks serious for Alfa Romeo and Zhou Guanyu.

That was one of the worst crashes Iíve seen in a long time. Incredible that Zhou is ok.

Car was upside down across the gravel, sailed over the tyre barrier and hit the fence protecting the spectators
Title: Re: f1
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2022, 06:38:36 PM
Good race but totally spoiled by Sky interviewing Richards and Lescott at strolling around Silverstone.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 03, 2022, 07:01:45 PM
Good race but totally spoiled by Sky interviewing Richards and Lescott at strolling around Silverstone.
Yes a great race and fortunately I missed the chuckle brothers interview.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2022, 08:46:25 AM
Summer break.... For all the peddling that the new regs have improved it, the whole thing is still too predictable. Was good to see 3 teams in the fight last couple of races though, would be even better to have 4 up there with an actual chance of winning.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 04, 2022, 03:34:44 PM
Mercedes just shafted their greatest ever driver.
Title: Re: f1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 04, 2022, 03:49:10 PM
Mercedes just shafted their greatest ever driver.
Very strange choice by the team.
Maybe Merc are starting to edge Lewis to the exit door?
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