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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: LTA on March 18, 2014, 06:23:18 PM
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What a berk!
A tweet from a Chelsea fan with a picture of them with the European Cup and saying "something Villa will never acomplish" Can't upload at the moment, but will when I can
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I was devastated when they beat Munich. Was a similar situation when we beat Man City earlier this season. Some fans giving us grief where the away coaches are was met with 'Have you won the European Cup?'
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Just ignore them, Johnny-come-lately's who think football didn't exist until 2004.
Ironically, given my age, I didn't start going to football until 2004 (When I was 9), but I am well aware of our proud history and their... well would you even call it history?
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They're not the only ones, got into a rant with a Llop fan from SWales once, and when i mentioned Rotterdam 1982 he thought i was an Everton fan.Never want an English team to win the European Cup, sorry.
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Ignorance is bliss they say.
Didn't we chant "won fuck-all in 50 years" at Blackburn a few years ago?
Calling Sunderland Geordies is just funny though
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I am well aware of our proud history and their... well would you even call it history?
I think this is Contemporary History?
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We won it, they bought it.
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We won it, they bought it.
Well put Sir.
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Fact is we beat bayern Munich over 90 minutes not the 120 plus penalty shoot out it took Chelsea. Also we did it with a team slowly crafted together with astute signings and home grown talent. Not the cheque book Charlie's that abramovich and countless managers tried to bodge together.
It's a shame when Chelsea were formed that as they played in the borough of Fulham they realised they couldn't call themselves Fulham as that name was already taken oh ok we will call ourselves the name of the next nearest borough. Sad isn't it clueless and classless football club.
Hope the u.n. Freeze mr abramovich assets over here
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There's one way to put this to bed once and for all, we'll just have to win it again.
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Fact is we beat bayern Munich over 90 minutes not the 120 plus penalty shoot out it took Chelsea. Also we did it with a team slowly crafted together with astute signings and home grown talent. Not the cheque book Charlie's that abramovich and countless managers tried to bodge together.
It's a shame when Chelsea were formed that as they played in the borough of Fulham they realised they couldn't call themselves Fulham as that name was already taken oh ok we will call ourselves the name of the next nearest borough. Sad isn't it clueless and classless football club.
Hope the u.n. Freeze mr abramovich assets over here
We also did it at the first attempt and as League Champions.
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We won it, they bought it.
Well put Sir.
Spot on. We won it when only the champions were involved in the competition, not the top four.
Ram it up your arse Chelsea, pathetic bunch.
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Just checked and good old Villa fans are slaughtering him on Twitter. Not that he is showing any humility as a result.
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Link?
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Link?
Twitter.com/msandyballs77 probably. Warning: he is just the kind of infuriating little twat you expect him to be.
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What a tool. I'm sure he has never heard of Chelsea legends Colin Pates,John Bumstead,Doug Rougvie,Clive Wilson.
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He's a local Chelsea fan as well, Germantown, Maryland US and A, fucktard.
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If this pitiful ignoramous had have been at Stamford Bridge to witness our League Cup game there about five years ago he'd have struggled to ignore 'Have you won the European Cup?' that 6000 Villa fans were singing despite us being 5-0 down at the time.
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He uses the excuse that he was only 3 years old when we won it. Well I was only 3 when Celtic won it, & 4 when Man U first won it, but I knew they had.
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What a tool. I'm sure he has never heard of Chelsea legends Colin Pates,John Bumstead,Doug Rougvie,Clive Wilson.
And of course not forgetting Robert Fleck.
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Chelsea fans are, on the whole, a horrible bunch with little or no knowledge of football whatsoever. Oh, and zero grace or class either.
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All you need to know about Chelsea is that they employed Dennis Wise for a lengthy period of time. How I'd love to throw that flat-headed little runt down a flight of stairs.
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This guy is a laughable worthless little waste of spunk. I see many more epic fails in his tragic future. Fucking bellend.
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He uses the excuse that he was only 3 years old when we won it. Well I was only 3 when Celtic won it, & 4 when Man U first won it, but I knew they had.
In that case very happy 50th birthday amfy whenever the big day is!
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Thanks! It's June!
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you should also let him know that when we won you had to actually win the league the previous year to even enter the tournament. Not finish in the top 4. Ignorant tool.
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so gutted they won it . How the fuck did they win it ;( wankers
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It's no different to Manure fans singing "have you ever won the double" to us in the past. If it happend before 1992/93 then a lot of fans these days have no clue about it.
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17,000 for the first Villa match at Stamford Bridge in the PL. We won 1-0, Ray Houghton scored the goal and I swear at least 3,000 people in there were Villa fans. I recall about a week later Coventry City went there too (the days of Ndlovu, Micky Quinn and Wegerle) and they got a mere 9,000.
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I remember being quietly very chuffed when Arsenal lost their final a few years back and thinking: we've got one, a second tier club modern fans probably haven't even heard of has won two (Forest) but it still eludes that mob.
I'm no Arsenal sympathiser but if I had to choose from the two, I'd have taken Arsenal to have won it in preference over Chelsea any day of the week.
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I don't care who wins the title this year as long as its not Chelsea. Man United would have been the other one but they're nowhere near it obviously. Arsenal for me, City, at a push Liverpool, anyone but Chelsea.
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In my experience I've seen all too many Chelsea fans split into two categories. The plastic knobbers who've only been interested since 2004. They have absolutely no clue about football half the time and say ridiculous things like this end of a bell. Total and utter ignorance.
Then there's the long termers. The ones who fink they're salt of the fakkin Earth. Probably closet, or proud and out EDL members and think pricks like Dennis Wise and JT are working class heroes. Because they've seen their club almost go bust, or go years without winning anything they fink they've automatically been bestowed with the greatest humility. The reality is they're peacock strutting, chest puffing, arrogant gobshites most of the time who still fink football's like it was in the 70's, waiting for scraps and skirmishes that more often than not won't happen, unless they're playing their ignoramus equivalents from perhaps QPR, West Ham or Millwall who fink their pwoper 'ard. Wankers.
Put them all on a boat and send them somewhere...anywhere...The North Pole or somefink.
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We won it, they bought it.
Exactly right. And winning the European Cup is a different kettle fish entirely to winning the inferior "Champions" League.
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Quite amusing.
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Three things Chelsea have done that Villa never have -
Been champions of Europe without being champions of England to qualify
Rely on penalties to beat Bayern Munich in the final
Vote Paul Elliott as their player of the year
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17,000 for the first Villa match at Stamford Bridge in the PL. We won 1-0, Ray Houghton scored the goal and I swear at least 3,000 people in there were Villa fans. I recall about a week later Coventry City went there too (the days of Ndlovu, Micky Quinn and Wegerle) and they got a mere 9,000.
See below links. I don't recall us getting less than 7,000 when we played in the 2nd division the season before.
http://www.11v11.com/matches/chelsea-v-walsall-04-october-1988-123202/
http://www.11v11.com/matches/chelsea-v-southampton-12-february-1992-90420/
http://www.11v11.com/matches/chelsea-v-coventry-city-14-march-1992-90469/
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Chelsea fans were too preoccupied with finishing below Barnsley and Rotherham in Division 2 in 1982 to notice what was happening in the European Cup.
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What a berk!
A tweet from a Chelsea fan with a picture of them with the European Cup and saying "something Villa will never acomplish" Can't upload at the moment, but will when I can
Look, sleep easy friend, safe in the comforting knowledge that they`re as sick as pigs to have got done fair and square, they hated it - shame!!...
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I remember not so long ago chavski would never sell out the away end at Villa Park.West Ham always did.
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Being as it was a Chelsea, I did wonder what his mate meant when replying to the OP about upsetting Villa fans with I surprised that they can speak English. Let's just say the Brummie accent that others attributed it to was not uppermost in my mind.
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As proud as I am that we won the European Cup as Champions of England, you can't pretend that it was harder to win back then. Would we have found it easier if the 2nd and 3rd best teams in Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal etc had been in the tournament rather than the champions of Luxembourg, Northern Ireland, Malta, Albania and Iceland?
People say it was all knock out back in those days, but there was only one extra knock out round. Plus, the group stages generally mean, by and large, the best 16 teams in Europe pop out into the knock out phases now. There is no chance on earth Glentoran, Arges Pitesti, Rabo ETA Gyor and Szombierki Bytom (all appeared in the last 16 in the early 80s) would do that now. That is a shame and perhaps makes it less pure. But it means the competition is now harder to win and (almost) impossible for a smaller team.
I just dont see the need to denigrate it now. Maybe because we dont play in it.
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As proud as I am that we won the European Cup as Champions of England, you can't pretend that it was harder to win back then. Would we have found it easier if the 2nd and 3rd best teams in Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal etc had been in the tournament rather than the champions of Luxembourg, Northern Ireland, Malta, Albania and Iceland?
People say it was all knock out back in those days, but there was only one extra knock out round. Plus, the group stages generally mean, by and large, the best 16 teams in Europe pop out into the knock out phases now. There is no chance on earth Glentoran, Arges Pitesti, Rabo ETA Gyor and Szombierki Bytom (all appeared in the last 16 in the early 80s) would do that now. That is a shame and perhaps makes it less pure. But it means the competition is now harder to win and (almost) impossible for a smaller team.
I just dont see the need to denigrate it now. Maybe because we dont play in it.
It was harder to win back then. You had to win your own league for a start rather than finish 4th.
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As proud as I am that we won the European Cup as Champions of England, you can't pretend that it was harder to win back then. Would we have found it easier if the 2nd and 3rd best teams in Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal etc had been in the tournament rather than the champions of Luxembourg, Northern Ireland, Malta, Albania and Iceland?
People say it was all knock out back in those days, but there was only one extra knock out round. Plus, the group stages generally mean, by and large, the best 16 teams in Europe pop out into the knock out phases now. There is no chance on earth Glentoran, Arges Pitesti, Rabo ETA Gyor and Szombierki Bytom (all appeared in the last 16 in the early 80s) would do that now. That is a shame and perhaps makes it less pure. But it means the competition is now harder to win and (almost) impossible for a smaller team.
I just dont see the need to denigrate it now. Maybe because we dont play in it.
It was harder to win back then. You had to win your own league for a start rather than finish 4th.
That post made me realise if the current rules had applied in 1981 Albion would have joined us in the Champions League.
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It was still more of an achievement in 1982 than Chelsea only finishing 12th in a division that included such giants of the game as Wrexham and Leyton Orient.
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As proud as I am that we won the European Cup as Champions of England, you can't pretend that it was harder to win back then. Would we have found it easier if the 2nd and 3rd best teams in Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal etc had been in the tournament rather than the champions of Luxembourg, Northern Ireland, Malta, Albania and Iceland?
People say it was all knock out back in those days, but there was only one extra knock out round. Plus, the group stages generally mean, by and large, the best 16 teams in Europe pop out into the knock out phases now. There is no chance on earth Glentoran, Arges Pitesti, Rabo ETA Gyor and Szombierki Bytom (all appeared in the last 16 in the early 80s) would do that now. That is a shame and perhaps makes it less pure. But it means the competition is now harder to win and (almost) impossible for a smaller team.
I just dont see the need to denigrate it now. Maybe because we dont play in it.
It is a moot point as to whether or not it was more or less difficult to win.
The fact is that at the time it was the premier European club tournament and in 1982 the winners were Aston Villa.
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As proud as I am that we won the European Cup as Champions of England, you can't pretend that it was harder to win back then. Would we have found it easier if the 2nd and 3rd best teams in Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal etc had been in the tournament rather than the champions of Luxembourg, Northern Ireland, Malta, Albania and Iceland?
People say it was all knock out back in those days, but there was only one extra knock out round. Plus, the group stages generally mean, by and large, the best 16 teams in Europe pop out into the knock out phases now. There is no chance on earth Glentoran, Arges Pitesti, Rabo ETA Gyor and Szombierki Bytom (all appeared in the last 16 in the early 80s) would do that now. That is a shame and perhaps makes it less pure. But it means the competition is now harder to win and (almost) impossible for a smaller team.
I just dont see the need to denigrate it now. Maybe because we dont play in it.
It is a moot point as to whether or not it was more or less difficult to win.
The fact is that at the time it was the premier European club tournament and in 1982 the winners were Aston Villa.
And we won it - they bought it.
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Also, we didn't get drawn against teams like Glentoran, Arges Pitesti, Rabo ETA Gyor and Szombierki Bytom. We had to beat Dynamo Berlin, Dynamo Kiev, Anderlecht and Bayern Munich.
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You know I'm still absolutely loving it that we beat them.
This twat just reinforces my complete lack of respect for that horrible club.
I must have watched that last 20 minutes about 7 times now. It's great.
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You know I'm still absolutely loving it that we beat them.
This twat just reinforces my complete lack of respect for that horrible club.
I must have watched that last 20 minutes about 7 times now. It's great.
;D
You got a link to it?
Might torrent the match actually.
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My solution to Chelsea fans, and you can stick JT in the line up too:
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The Brummie Chelsea fan who used to be a Villa fan at work was in a very bad mood on Monday, apparently we had the ref on a string.
He conveniently seemed to forget the refereeing from the game at Stamford Bridge and stormed off in a sulk. I didn't see him for the rest of the day.
I didn't even bring the match up with him, he started the conversation. I just tried to look as smug as I could. 8)
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I said to the one chavski fan I know , did you see your result on Teletext .
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The Brummie Chelsea fan who used to be a Villa fan at work was in a very bad mood on Monday, apparently we had the ref on a string.
He conveniently seemed to forget the refereeing from the game at Stamford Bridge and stormed off in a sulk. I didn't see him for the rest of the day.
I didn't even bring the match up with him, he started the conversation. I just tried to look as smug as I could. 8)
Good lord, I cannot believe you would even bother speaking to that sort of person about football.
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For what it's worth I taunted an 11 year old Chelsea fan at my boys school yesterday!
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I fucking hate Chelsea, always have always will..That is all
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I would literally be ashamed to be a Brummie supporting Chelsea fan. The thought makes my skin crawl. How would you ever expect to be taken seriously when talking to your friends about football?
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I'd be ashamed to be a Chelsea fan, full stop.
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Surely the European Cup was far more difficult to win, if only buy virtue of the fact that you had to actually win your league (or the EC) to be allowed to take part.
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I would literally be ashamed to be a Brummie supporting Chelsea fan. The thought makes my skin crawl. How would you ever expect to be taken seriously when talking to your friends about football?
That's the thing about Brummie Reds or Chelsea fans, or any sort of gloryhunter.
I always find myself thinking: have you no dignity or self respect?
How can you do something like that and expect to be taken seriously?
I refuse to talk to them about football, I honestly see their opinions as null and void. They know nothing about what it is like to be a football fan, they chose success, as far as I am concerned, they have no right to discuss the game.
I hate them. I'd rather my kids grew up as noses than Brummie Reds, and it's not even close, I'm talking 100 times prefer it.
I know it sounds childish from a grown man, but I am honestly not even exaggerating slightly. I am exactly like you, they really make my skin crawl.
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I listen to some North American football shows and nothing is more repulsive as the 25-30 yr old "lifelong" Chelsea or Man City fan from Seattle or Minnesota or Atlanta etc.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
Brummie Red / Bloser - same thing isn't it?
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I agree.
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They'll be Brummie Stokies next week.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I agree.
Totally.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I agree.
Totally.
Me too.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I agree.
Totally.
Me too.
Me also, but I started to think the other day of those poor souls who have been pushed into gloryhunting by their gloryhunting father.
My two cousins are Liverpool fans because my uncle Harry was a gloryhunter himself, and a lad I used to play football with used to follow United everywhere with his Dad, and had done since he was a boy.
Where do we stand on these 'daywalkers'?
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I'll always have respect for anyone supporting their local team.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I'll always have respect for anyone supporting their local team.
But then I am always chuffed when we have fans from all over the place who support the Villa , is that
hypercritical of me ?
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I would literally be ashamed to be a Brummie supporting Chelsea fan. The thought makes my skin crawl. How would you ever expect to be taken seriously when talking to your friends about football?
That's the thing about Brummie Reds or Chelsea fans, or any sort of gloryhunter.
I always find myself thinking: have you no dignity or self respect?
How can you do something like that and expect to be taken seriously?
I refuse to talk to them about football, I honestly see their opinions as null and void. They know nothing about what it is like to be a football fan, they chose success, as far as I am concerned, they have no right to discuss the game.
I hate them. I'd rather my kids grew up as noses than Brummie Reds, and it's not even close, I'm talking 100 times prefer it.
I know it sounds childish from a grown man, but I am honestly not even exaggerating slightly. I am exactly like you, they really make my skin crawl.
Something from twenty years ago is as true today:
When you're Wayne or Baz from a shitty estate in a shitty town. When your life consists of working in a warehouse all day and watching TV at night. When all you have to look forward to is getting smashed in town 50 weekends of the year, doing the same with added sunburn for the other two weeks and marrying Waynetta from the next street and raising kids to have the same as you. When you're nobody, your life is empty and your prospects are non-existent you do two things. You buy a small car with a big exhaust and a Manchester United shirt.
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I would literally be ashamed to be a Brummie supporting Chelsea fan. The thought makes my skin crawl. How would you ever expect to be taken seriously when talking to your friends about football?
That's the thing about Brummie Reds or Chelsea fans, or any sort of gloryhunter.
I always find myself thinking: have you no dignity or self respect?
How can you do something like that and expect to be taken seriously?
I refuse to talk to them about football, I honestly see their opinions as null and void. They know nothing about what it is like to be a football fan, they chose success, as far as I am concerned, they have no right to discuss the game.
I hate them. I'd rather my kids grew up as noses than Brummie Reds, and it's not even close, I'm talking 100 times prefer it.
I know it sounds childish from a grown man, but I am honestly not even exaggerating slightly. I am exactly like you, they really make my skin crawl.
Something from twenty years ago is as true today:
When you're Wayne or Baz from a shitty estate in a shitty town. When your life consists of working in a warehouse all day and watching TV at night. When all you have to look forward to is getting smashed in town 50 weekends of the year, doing the same with added sunburn for the other two weeks and marrying Waynetta from the next street and raising kids to have the same as you. When you're nobody, your life is empty and your prospects are non-existent you do two things. You buy a small car with a big exhaust and a Manchester United shirt.
almost Churchillian
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I actually became a Villa fan because I was glory hunting, believe it or not. I had no allegiance in 1990 and really only just became interested in football. I had three potential avenues, be a Liverpool fan because most of the kids in class were and my dad was (though he has absolutely no interest in football), be a Villa fan because I liked the kit and my best friend supported them. Or be a Wolves fan because I liked the kit and the little wolf badge.
In the end Liverpool was never an option because I hated all the kids who were fans. I chose Villa because they were second in the table, so obviously were going to bring a great deal of success with them. Ha ha. It hasn't been all smooth sailing granted but we've had another second place finish, two trophies (fuck it 3, I'm counting the Peace Cup...does the Intertoto have a trophy?), a fourth place, a 5th, and a good wedge of 6th place finishes, and a couple of cup finals (albeit slightly painful) in my time.
That said most of these plastic Chelsea fans would jump ship if Abramovich left and they regressed to being a mid-table side. In terms of plastic fans I think Chelsea are the worst. They'd be without question the quickest to turncoat.
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In my experience I've seen all too many Chelsea fans split into two categories. The plastic knobbers who've only been interested since 2004. They have absolutely no clue about football half the time and say ridiculous things like this end of a bell. Total and utter ignorance.
Then there's the long termers. The ones who fink they're salt of the fakkin Earth. Probably closet, or proud and out EDL members and think pricks like Dennis Wise and JT are working class heroes. Because they've seen their club almost go bust, or go years without winning anything they fink they've automatically been bestowed with the greatest humility. The reality is they're peacock strutting, chest puffing, arrogant gobshites most of the time who still fink football's like it was in the 70's, waiting for scraps and skirmishes that more often than not won't happen, unless they're playing their ignoramus equivalents from perhaps QPR, West Ham or Millwall who fink their pwoper 'ard. Wankers.
Put them all on a boat and send them somewhere...anywhere...The North Pole or somefink.
In my experience, living in West London, there is a 3rd category: blokes my age (50) who are more like Fulham fans. They lived through all that crap in the 70s and 80s and were like Fulham fans in that they treated their club as a vaudeville act that was too painful to take seriously. They now enjoy the success of the club but often can't afford tickets for more than a couple of low importance games per season. Finals and latter stage Champs league games are just a night on tv for them, with no chance of buying a ticket.
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In my experience I've seen all too many Chelsea fans split into two categories. The plastic knobbers who've only been interested since 2004. They have absolutely no clue about football half the time and say ridiculous things like this end of a bell. Total and utter ignorance.
Then there's the long termers. The ones who fink they're salt of the fakkin Earth. Probably closet, or proud and out EDL members and think pricks like Dennis Wise and JT are working class heroes. Because they've seen their club almost go bust, or go years without winning anything they fink they've automatically been bestowed with the greatest humility. The reality is they're peacock strutting, chest puffing, arrogant gobshites most of the time who still fink football's like it was in the 70's, waiting for scraps and skirmishes that more often than not won't happen, unless they're playing their ignoramus equivalents from perhaps QPR, West Ham or Millwall who fink their pwoper 'ard. Wankers.
Put them all on a boat and send them somewhere...anywhere...The North Pole or somefink.
In my experience, living in West London, there is a 3rd category: blokes my age (50) who are more like Fulham fans. They lived through all that crap in the 70s and 80s and were like Fulham fans in that they treated their club as a vaudeville act that was too painful to take seriously. They now enjoy the success of the club but often can't afford tickets for more than a couple of low importance games per season. Finals and latter stage Champs league games are just a night on tv for them, with no chance of buying a ticket.
Prices at some of these London clubs now are utterly flabbergasting.
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Something from twenty years ago is as true today:
When you're Wayne or Baz from a shitty estate in a shitty town. When your life consists of working in a warehouse all day and watching TV at night. When all you have to look forward to is getting smashed in town 50 weekends of the year, doing the same with added sunburn for the other two weeks and marrying Waynetta from the next street and raising kids to have the same as you. When you're nobody, your life is empty and your prospects are non-existent you do two things. You buy a small car with a big exhaust and a Manchester United shirt.
Gloryhunters are everywhere, in all walks of life and not just the folk doing the jobs and living in the estates we look down our noses at. My stereotype of a gloryhunter differs from yours as I see picture them being some well off Malcolm Smuggeridge from a twee estate in a twee town working in recruitment or finance and poring over their fantasy league team.
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have you been down my street then?
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My experience of Brummie reds is that they have a soft spot for Small Heath. Presumably as we are seen as more of a rival. I have had a number of them who wouldn't dream of actually going to Old Trafford let alone the sty attempt to take the piss when United beat us and then again when the noses beat us. Trust me, I tell them where to go. I think it was Paulie who said "Have they no shame?". We all know the answer.
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Percy's theory holds true. Brummie Reds are often from Nose families; they lack the moral fortitude to 'ave their 'earts broken but family loyalty prevents them from supporting us.
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A lot of those Man Ure Gloryhunters must now be well confused now though.
Maybe they'll wait to see who Fatboy Slim's missus supports next year - Man City most likely - before they decide who to switch too.
Then again that team that play in All White in Spain are pretty good and cheap flights are aplenty nowadays.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I agree.
Totally.
Me too.
Count me in.
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I fucking hate gloryhunters.
On the what version of the European Cup was tougher to win debate, something else to add.
When we won it they didn't rig the draw with seedings.
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It was so easy to win back then that Manure and Chavski were never in it.
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I agree.
Totally.
Me too.
Count me in.
I know a Bluenose, one who openly admits hating us more than he loves them, who still hates Brummie Reds more than us.
I think any 'true' fotball fan would be of the same opinion about that subspecies of humanity.
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It was so easy to win back then that Manure and Chavski were never in it.
The class of '82 always say the hardest thing about winning the EC was winning the league the year before & that's good enough for me!
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It was fucking hard in Anderlecht, especially if you were on the wrong end of a big police stick
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Something from twenty years ago is as true today:
When you're Wayne or Baz from a shitty estate in a shitty town. When your life consists of working in a warehouse all day and watching TV at night. When all you have to look forward to is getting smashed in town 50 weekends of the year, doing the same with added sunburn for the other two weeks and marrying Waynetta from the next street and raising kids to have the same as you. When you're nobody, your life is empty and your prospects are non-existent you do two things. You buy a small car with a big exhaust and a Manchester United shirt.
Gloryhunters are everywhere, in all walks of life and not just the folk doing the jobs and living in the estates we look down our noses at. My stereotype of a gloryhunter differs from yours as I see picture them being some well off Malcolm Smuggeridge from a twee estate in a twee town working in recruitment or finance and poring over their fantasy league team.
Crawley comes readily to mind from a selection of places in my vicinity...though thankfully not too close
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A lot of those Man Ure Gloryhunters must now be well confused now though.
Maybe they'll wait to see who Fatboy Slim's missus supports next year - Man City most likely - before they decide who to switch too.
Then again that team that play in All White in Spain are pretty good and cheap flights are aplenty nowadays.
I always thought it was James Nesbitt who was the arbiter of gloryhunters' opinions...
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Another thing that does my fookin head in is up to a 3-4 years ago when did you ever see a man city shirt at Gatwick or heathrow airport, never never but soon as some milk sheikh buys em they flood the fookin shops with them
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I always have to remind myself that Chelsea have been champions of Europe. Out of all the English winners they are the ones that least come to mind. I think it's because they didn't win the European Cup so they haven't got quite the prestige as the others.
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Went into my local boozer, in Chelsea, a rough as fook pub called Riley's last night. It's on my doorstep but have never wanted to go in and view old teddy boys fallen on hard times that remember Ron Chopper Harris only too well mixed with the hoary Oirish charm of the place. But my brother came to visit and after his first visit to Stamford Bridge since 2002 (when we beat them 3-1) he was on cloud nine so we ventured in.
One swift drink later, (coke for me, had just been dosed-up with oxytocin) on leaving, one of the regular old geezers asked who we supported. When I said Villa, I could see a flicker of malice in his eyes before he croaked "Dunt be a caant all your life, eh?" before cackling and returning to the games machine that takes whatever money he has left over not spent on Guinness and fags.
Don't think I've missed much from going in there all these months.
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Went into my local boozer, in Chelsea, a rough as fook pub called Riley's last night. It's on my doorstep but have never wanted to go in and view old teddy boys fallen on hard times that remember Ron Chopper Harris only too well mixed with the hoary Oirish charm of the place. But my brother came to visit and after his first visit to Stamford Bridge since 2002 (when we beat them 3-1) he was on cloud nine so we ventured in.
One swift drink later, (coke for me, had just been dosed-up with oxytocin) on leaving, one of the regular old geezers asked who we supported. When I said Villa, I could see a flicker of malice in his eyes before he croaked "Dunt be a caant all your life, eh?" before cackling and returning to the games machine that takes whatever money he has left over not spent on Guinness and fags.
Don't think I've missed much from going in there all these months.
That geezer might have been Gus or Alfie:
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Went into my local boozer, in Chelsea, a rough as fook pub called Riley's last night. It's on my doorstep but have never wanted to go in and view old teddy boys fallen on hard times that remember Ron Chopper Harris only too well mixed with the hoary Oirish charm of the place. But my brother came to visit and after his first visit to Stamford Bridge since 2002 (when we beat them 3-1) he was on cloud nine so we ventured in.
One swift drink later, (coke for me, had just been dosed-up with oxytocin) on leaving, one of the regular old geezers asked who we supported. When I said Villa, I could see a flicker of malice in his eyes before he croaked "Dunt be a caant all your life, eh?" before cackling and returning to the games machine that takes whatever money he has left over not spent on Guinness and fags.
Don't think I've missed much from going in there all these months.
It sounds like he was speaking from experience. If he had his time all over again...
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I have more respect for Birmingham City fans than Brummie Reds or Brummie Cockney Blues.
I agree.
Totally.
Me too.
Me also, but I started to think the other day of those poor souls who have been pushed into gloryhunting by their gloryhunting father.
My two cousins are Liverpool fans because my uncle Harry was a gloryhunter himself, and a lad I used to play football with used to follow United everywhere with his Dad, and had done since he was a boy.
Where do we stand on these 'daywalkers'?
They made a documentry series about them, got that guy from This Life to present it, Andrew Lincoln I think his name it.
I think it's called The Walking Dead.
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Yes, remarkably thousands of Chavski fans used to tune in to the TV Show Shedheads, the homage to all things garden shed-like in the belief that it was about The Shed End. Can you Adam and Eve it?