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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: wozwebs on March 06, 2014, 02:20:03 PM
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No mention of price freeze so presume have gone up although this doesn't detail the costs per stand:
Season tickets for 2014-15 will go on sale on Monday, March 10, with the offer of a nine-month interest-free option on all tickets secured by May 30.
From June 1, also in conjunction with Zebra Finance, fans will be able to spread payments over four months, subject to a 2.5% admin fee applied by Zebra*.
In addition, current season ticket holders will be able to redeem any of their remaining 13/14 Villa Cash balance off a 14/15 season ticket up until 6pm on 31 July 2014, when 13/14 balances will expire.
Adult season prices for the forthcoming season will range from £335 to £615, with a family of four (including two Under 18s) able to secure tickets for £725 in specific family areas.
All season tickets purchased in full by April 30 will be issued a Villa Cash start up balance of 10% of the season ticket price. All other season tickets purchased via Zebra or after April 30 will be issued a 5% start up balance. New balances will be issued on August 1, 2014.
Other price bands include U8s for as low as £85 while the Under 16s bracket has been expanded to include U18s , with offers from £130 to £250. Over 65s can secure tickets starting at £235.
Due to popular demand, an additional 350 economy-priced seats will be released in selected areas of the ground. These will be on priority sale to current season ticket holders and on general sale from Monday March 17.
Head of Consumer Sales Nicola Keye said: "The club prides itself on continuing to offer affordable tickets and packages.
"Recognising that following your team can be an expensive exercise, we have always worked hard to offer multiple price points and a number of different ways to pay.
"Those fans that have the ability to pay early will now benefit from a 10% Villa cash incentive whilst other fans can spread the cost of their season ticket over nine months with 0% interest. We hope these options give all supporters who wish to support the team the flexibility to do so."
As well as inclusion in the club's Villa Cash rewards scheme, additional season ticket holder benefits will include subscription to AVTV, access to cup and away scheme, priority access on away tickets as well as JV Life membership for U14s junior season ticket holders.
For a full review of season ticket information for the forthcoming season, call 0800 612 0970.
*Representative example: Amount of credit £545.00 - admin fee of £13.63 payable. Total amount repayable £558.63 - repayable by a first monthly payment of £149.88 (including admin fee), followed by three monthly payments of £136.25 - interest rate 0% pa fixed. Representative 12.8% APR.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3700110,00.html?
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Sounds like the price is going up.
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Sounds like the price is going up.
i reckon it's more likely they will hold the prices at current levels: (i) the real prospect of a large drop in ST sales; (ii) a recognition that they are not actually offering top-half quality on the pitch; (iii) reduced operating costs being achieved at the club; (iv) precedent.
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Despite being a season ticket holder for over 35 years, the last thing I want to think about right now is a season ticket for next year.
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They're asking for shit if they increase the prices after what we've had to put up with at VP the past 3 seasons
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What a disgrace if they're increasing ST prices next season. After mostly crap home performances since 2010, they should be REDUCING prices! After all, they could subsidise prices with all the extra TV money? It's shocking value for money. Call that entertainment?
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If you're a season ticket holder this season, you can use any remaining Villa Cash towards it. If you renew next year they automatically give you 10% of the price in Villa Cash.
So unless prices increase by, at least, more than 10%, it's a price freeze/reduction in real terms.
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Despite being a season ticket holder for over 35 years, the last thing I want to think about right now is a season ticket for next year.
This!
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What a disgrace if they're increasing ST prices next season. After mostly crap home performances since 2010, they should be REDUCING prices! After all, they could subsidise prices with all the extra TV money? It's shocking value for money. Call that entertainment?
Why not wait until you know for sure they have put they prices up, and if they have, by how much before having an almighty whinge?
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My guess is they've put the prices up by about 3%. My ST this year cost £528 according to my bank statement. The example they've used for finance is £545 - just over 3% increase. Having said that if they give 10% back rather than 5% that's a pretty good deal on the face of it, assuming you want to buy something in Villa stores of course. Having said that, any increase is a bit of an insult given the standard of football served up at VP over the last 4 seasons, and the cheap deals on offer to non-ST holders just rubs our faces in it.
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If it was a price freeze they'd be shouting about it in that article, instead they just say wait until Monday for the prices. Ominous
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The 10% cash back is good offer. I am in.
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My guess is they've put the prices up by about 3%. My ST this year cost £528 according to my bank statement. The example they've used for finance is £545 - just over 3% increase. Having said that if they give 10% back rather than 5% that's a pretty good deal on the face of it, assuming you want to buy something in Villa stores of course. Having said that, any increase is a bit of an insult given the standard of football served up at VP over the last 4 seasons, and the cheap deals on offer to non-ST holders just rubs our faces in it.
I am sticking to my guns. I will not renew. I will still attend every home game (holiday clashes excluded) via a combination of special offers from the club and viagogo when need be. There is no incentive at all, any more, to have a ST. Even though I sit in P8 (the 'cheap' seats) with a pretty good view on an aisle seat (which is such a relief as I can stretch my legs) it will still be cheaper for me to do this as I do not really mind where I sit (Billy-no-mates) and the person I currently sit beside does my head in. Will miss the fan sitting behind me, DC5, vjk and deej though.
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As I read it you only get 10% of your ST price in Villa Cash if you pay for it in full. If (big IF at the moment) we renew it'll be using interest free option over 9 months.
If I'd realized you could use this seasons villa cash towards a new ST I wouldn't have wasted it buying gloves and scarves.
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If it was a price freeze they'd be shouting about it in that article, instead they just say wait until Monday for the prices. Ominous
I think that's a fair assumption.
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I'll wait untill Monday before I make a decision.
They do like to 'leak' things don't they - just to test the water?
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Has anyone else noticed that they've changed the way the ST discount works in the club shop? You no longer get 10% off goods bought in the shop directly off the price. You pay full price but they apply the value of the 10% saved to your Villa cash account. I suppose they've changes it because they're fed up of ST holders giving their season cards to friends and family for a free discount.
I can see why they've done it, but it's still a bit mean.
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........assuming you want to buy something in Villa stores of course.
Villa cash can be used to buy match tickets. Cup games, away games, friendlies, tickets for friends & family for league games. There can't be many season ticket holders who can manage not to spend it somewhere.
I also seem to remember that you can exchange it for vouchers to buy food & beer at the ground - but I might have dreamt that.
Also - as an ST holder, you keep building it every time you buy a ticket, or anything from the shop - so for many ST holders it does amount to a fair bit more than that 5-10% back over the season. For those that do all the aways - you'll pretty much end up with one away match free.
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Hi amfy!
Pretty sure you can't use it for away tickets, or have I made that up?
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So if you pay up front and take into account the 10% back that would make the cheapest S/T £300? Or have I missed something.
It isn't a bad price really.
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Hi amfy!
Pretty sure you can't use it for away tickets, or have I made that up?
Tbh I haven't tried - I used mine for my Rotherham & Dpurs tickets in the cup last year. I just remembered being able to buy match tickets with it. So maybe that needs checking out.
Anyway - the point I was trying to make is that you don't have to buy merchandise to cash it in. It is very spendable.
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Bit sneaky that they wipe any credit if you haven't spent it by a certain date.
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A lot of ST holders I know won't renew, preferring to use viagogo to save a few quid and pick games. Surely the club are bracing themselves for a lot of folk doing this?
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Hi amfy!
Pretty sure you can't use it for away tickets, or have I made that up?
Tbh I haven't tried - I used mine for my Rotherham & Dpurs tickets in the cup last year. I just remembered being able to buy match tickets with it. So maybe that needs checking out.
Anyway - the point I was trying to make is that you don't have to buy merchandise to cash it in. It is very spendable.
Definitely used Villa Cash to buy tickets for games at VP for friends. Pretty sure you can't use it for away games.
Indeed, you can use it for stuff other than merchandise.
Though I did get my mate's lad an away shirt recently and only had to pay about £3 balance. Nice surprise!
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A lot of ST holders I know won't renew, preferring to use viagogo to save a few quid and pick games. Surely the club are bracing themselves for a lot of folk doing this?
Show a bit of ambition and ST holders will renew. More of the same "young and hungry" nonsense and the club are gonna be in for a shock.
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A lot of ST holders I know won't renew, preferring to use viagogo to save a few quid and pick games. Surely the club are bracing themselves for a lot of folk doing this?
I'd do this too, if it wasn't for the access to away tickets, which TBH is now the only reason I still buy a ST.
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I won't be renewing purely for financial reasons. So I'll be another using viagogo and special offers next season.
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*takes PeterWithe(no apostrophe)sShin's hand and puts it into legion's*
Yay!
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I think holding hands is one of the reasons Legion wants to move.
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Maybe he was actually after a cuddle? Maybe try it next home game.
I appreciate that the element of surprise will be now lost somewhat.
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I think the bloke next to Leeg has tried that as well.
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well if they are saying the top price is £615 which I expect will be mine in the Witton Upper that means a rise of £25 on last year
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Hi amfy!
Pretty sure you can't use it for away tickets, or have I made that up?
Tbh I haven't tried - I used mine for my Rotherham & Dpurs tickets in the cup last year. I just remembered being able to buy match tickets with it. So maybe that needs checking out.
Anyway - the point I was trying to make is that you don't have to buy merchandise to cash it in. It is very spendable.
Definitely used Villa Cash to buy tickets for games at VP for friends. Pretty sure you can't use it for away games.
Indeed, you can use it for stuff other than merchandise.
Though I did get my mate's lad an away shirt recently and only had to pay about £3 balance. Nice surprise!
Can't be used for away games.
There's also an option, unsure of details, of getting a drinks/food package.
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My guess is they've put the prices up by about 3%. My ST this year cost £528 according to my bank statement. The example they've used for finance is £545 - just over 3% increase. Having said that if they give 10% back rather than 5% that's a pretty good deal on the face of it, assuming you want to buy something in Villa stores of course. Having said that, any increase is a bit of an insult given the standard of football served up at VP over the last 4 seasons, and the cheap deals on offer to non-ST holders just rubs our faces in it.
I am sticking to my guns. I will not renew. I will still attend every home game (holiday clashes excluded) via a combination of special offers from the club and viagogo when need be. There is no incentive at all, any more, to have a ST. Even though I sit in P8 (the 'cheap' seats) with a pretty good view on an aisle seat (which is such a relief as I can stretch my legs) it will still be cheaper for me to do this as I do not really mind where I sit (Billy-no-mates) and the person I currently sit beside does my head in. Will miss the fan sitting behind me, DC5, vjk and deej though.
We'll miss our half time chats, Legion.
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My guess is they've put the prices up by about 3%. My ST this year cost £528 according to my bank statement. The example they've used for finance is £545 - just over 3% increase. Having said that if they give 10% back rather than 5% that's a pretty good deal on the face of it, assuming you want to buy something in Villa stores of course. Having said that, any increase is a bit of an insult given the standard of football served up at VP over the last 4 seasons, and the cheap deals on offer to non-ST holders just rubs our faces in it.
I am sticking to my guns. I will not renew. I will still attend every home game (holiday clashes excluded) via a combination of special offers from the club and viagogo when need be. There is no incentive at all, any more, to have a ST. Even though I sit in P8 (the 'cheap' seats) with a pretty good view on an aisle seat (which is such a relief as I can stretch my legs) it will still be cheaper for me to do this as I do not really mind where I sit (Billy-no-mates) and the person I currently sit beside does my head in. Will miss the fan sitting behind me, DC5, vjk and deej though.
We'll miss our half time chats, Legion.
Will you miss him tripping over you?
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The 10% Villa Cash offer is only any good if there's something you want to spend if on.
They're banking on people not using any/all of the offer in order to make their money.
Unless they allow it to be rolled over to the next season's ST or change the policy regarding using it against Away tickets, its not much use to me.
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I honestly don't think there's many of us that can't find something to spend it on. Between cup tickets, food & drink, & the club shop, most of us will spend that amount during the season. Season ticket holders in particular are likely to spend money in one of these ways. It is certainly much better than the vouchers which I pretty much never use and definitely felt there was a reliance on them not being used.
They also put an odd £5 in during last season. I wonder if it was a deliberate thought that, if they need to lower match day ticket prices to boost attendances, they now have a handy mechanism to 'refund' season ticket holders without a big song & dance about it?
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I think the only vouchers I ever used were the couple of £1 off ones for my son's programme. I used the cash this season for me and my son to go to the Sheffield United game, so basically a free match for the two of us.
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Didn't realise you could use it to buy tickets, but I always go in the cup scheme so the price is automatically taken on my credit card. I'll have to have a closer look at it to see how I can take advantage of it
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Didn't realise you could use it to buy tickets, but I always go in the cup scheme so the price is automatically taken on my credit card. I'll have to have a closer look at it to see how I can take advantage of it
I'm in the Cup Scheme as well, so Villa Cash is no use for me in that regard.
My understanding is that the Food/Drink voucher book gives discounts against specific items rather than being usable against general purchases.
Did anyone use this offer ? If so, is my understanding correct ?
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Didn't realise you could use it to buy tickets, but I always go in the cup scheme so the price is automatically taken on my credit card. I'll have to have a closer look at it to see how I can take advantage of it
I'm in the Cup Scheme as well, so Villa Cash is no use for me in that regard.
My understanding is that the Food/Drink voucher book gives discounts against specific items rather than being usable against general purchases.
Did anyone use this offer ? If so, is my understanding correct ?
Its a package for £10 to include programme, beer, soft drink, pie and entrance to a pre match bar
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I think the only vouchers I ever used were the couple of £1 off ones for my son's programme. I used the cash this season for me and my son to go to the Sheffield United game, so basically a free match for the two of us.
Bet you were happy afterwards
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I think the only vouchers I ever used were the couple of £1 off ones for my son's programme. I used the cash this season for me and my son to go to the Sheffield United game, so basically a free match for the two of us.
Bet you were happy afterwards
At least you didn't need to join us in the queue, asking for our money back.
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I think the only vouchers I ever used were the couple of £1 off ones for my son's programme. I used the cash this season for me and my son to go to the Sheffield United game, so basically a free match for the two of us.
Bet you were happy afterwards
He was, until he found out that he'd been sitting next to me.
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Pretty much decided not to renew due to the crap on display and changes to ko times - will use Viagogo and offers to still turn up when I can and if (big IF) we have shown some guts in the transfer market and displays improve would have a half ST for Xmas.
The pull to just renew was remarkably strong!
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A lot of ST holders I know won't renew, preferring to use viagogo to save a few quid and pick games. Surely the club are bracing themselves for a lot of folk doing this?
I'd do this too, if it wasn't for the access to away tickets, which TBH is now the only reason I still buy a ST.
It's one of the main reasons I'll be renewing as well. I don't get to as many as I'd like but it's something me and the other half really enjoy and it's kept us going through the last few seasons of poor home form.
Football tickets in general are massively overpriced but it's hard to blame our club for that. If you compare our prices to other PL clubs I'd be amazed if we're not one of the cheapest you can get.
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Little bit off topic but Notts County charge £24 for match tickets and they're bottom of League One. I don't particularly know the lower league scene that well but it seemed pricey
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It'll be interesting to see what other clubs renewal rates are like given that an uncompetitive league and TV messing around are common problems.
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The nearest league club to me have frozen their season ticket prices for the third year running!
http://www.bradfordcityfc.co.uk/news/article/season-tickets-2014-15-on-sale-now-for-city-supporters-1401095.aspx
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I'll be renewing. I go to 90% of aways so need the access to these tickets. Plus working full time, I dont have the time to keep an eye out for the special offers.
currently deciding to reloacte to the upper Holte. But it must be on the first two rows, and be on an aisle.
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well if they are saying the top price is £615 which I expect will be mine in the Witton Upper that means a rise of £25 on last year
*waves from across centre circle*
My conclusion, too.
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It would be better to have an away match only season ticket. Why don't they offer this? We'd take 10k everywhere!
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For those with season tickets this season. Can I ask you to divide the price you paid by 4 please. This is what it has cost you to watch Villa win. Expensive eh? Randy Lerner, take note!!
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For those with season tickets this season. Can I ask you to divide the price you paid by 4 please. This is what it has cost you to watch Villa win. Expensive eh? Randy Lerner, take note!!
That assumes we don't win another home game all season though.
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Richard, it was a bit of a joke!! Let's hope that we win at least another three or four eh? The home form hasn't been anywhere near good enough. This should be a consideration for Randy when he raises the prices.
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Richard, it was a bit of a joke!! Let's hope that we win at least another three or four eh? The home form hasn't been anywhere near good enough. This should be a consideration for Randy when he raises the prices.
Let's hope so!
£54.44 a win wouldn't be quite (quite!) so bad as £122.50 a win which is the current running total for me. And I missed the Albion game because of a family do so arguably I have paid £160+ per win!!
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Richard, it was a bit of a joke!! Let's hope that we win at least another three or four eh? The home form hasn't been anywhere near good enough. This should be a consideration for Randy when he raises the prices.
It's a joke but you're not wrong
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It would be better to have an away match only season ticket. Why don't they offer this? We'd take 10k everywhere!
The away scheme is the nearest thing to this.
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It would be better to have an away match only season ticket. Why don't they offer this? We'd take 10k everywhere!
The away scheme is the nearest thing to this.
Can you be in the away scheme without having a season ticket?
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Nope.
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Could you get the cheapest ST, join the Away Scheme and sell your home games on Viagogo? You'd obviously make a loss, but not a great one? Just a thought.
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As it stands at the moment theyc ould be halving the price of my season ticket and I wouldnt renew. This is despite having one for over 20 years.
Unless I see something that tells me we are actually going to try and compete in this league rather than just survive then I wont waste my time let alone money.
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It would be better to have an away match only season ticket. Why don't they offer this? We'd take 10k everywhere!
Because Villa wouldn't make any money out of it
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It would be better to have an away match only season ticket. Why don't they offer this? We'd take 10k everywhere!
Because Villa wouldn't make any money out of it
Not to mention the average away allocation is only approximately 2k.
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I would imagine with different prices for away games etc, it would be too much of a mare to do an away ST.
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The viagogo option is a bit flawed....The reason they have been so cheap is the numerous ST holders who have been disgruntled sell up...If people stop buying ST next year there will be much less supply and more demand and therefore prices will be much nearer the Official sale value. I'm giving it till May deadline....As much as the long journey and crap football hurts...you just cant replace those 15-20 min spells we have had against WBA /Norwich/City..
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Spoke to the ticket office today and North Stand Upper has gone up £20 to £435.. Lower is £385.
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I honestly don't think there's many of us that can't find something to spend it on. Between cup tickets, food & drink, & the club shop, most of us will spend that amount during the season. Season ticket holders in particular are likely to spend money in one of these ways. It is certainly much better than the vouchers which I pretty much never use and definitely felt there was a reliance on them not being used.
They also put an odd £5 in during last season. I wonder if it was a deliberate thought that, if they need to lower match day ticket prices to boost attendances, they now have a handy mechanism to 'refund' season ticket holders without a big song & dance about it?
Yes.
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Spoke to the ticket office today and North Stand Upper has gone up £20 to £435.. Lower is £385.
Any idea where the £335 seats are?
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Spoke to the ticket office today and North Stand Upper has gone up £20 to £435.. Lower is £385.
Any idea where the £335 seats are?
Perry Barr stadium?
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Can't be used for away games.
There's also an option, unsure of details, of getting a drinks/food package.
However we will will spend that with home games in great cup run in both cups.
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As it stands at the moment theyc ould be halving the price of my season ticket and I wouldnt renew. This is despite having one for over 20 years.
Unless I see something that tells me we are actually going to try and compete in this league rather than just survive then I wont waste my time let alone money.
Pretty much how I see it too - I know Merseyside is only a 2 hour drive from Villa Park but both this and last season it has been a long journey home after many dire performances - for me the spark has gone - even VCTM jnr has lost his enthuisiasm.
Not renewing - the modern game leaves me cold - jnr is taking up golf.
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Sounds like the club will be losing a lot of long term support next season. Sad, but very understandable.
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Sounds like the club will be losing a lot of long term support next season. Sad, but very understandable.
Show some ambition in the transfer market this summer and fans will renew. I certainly will, but if they continue with the "young and hungry" madness the fans will disappear in droves, in my opinion. I think Villa fans have finally wised up to the chronic lack of ambition at the club and they won't fall for the hype anymore.
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Sounds like the club will be losing a lot of long term support next season. Sad, but very understandable.
Show some ambition in the transfer market this summer and fans will renew. I certainly will, but if they continue with the "young and hungry" madness the fans will disappear in droves, in my opinion. I think Villa fans have finally wised up to the chronic lack of ambition at the club and they won fall for the hype anymore.
I will still renew, but hope to see major changes.
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As it stands at the moment theyc ould be halving the price of my season ticket and I wouldnt renew. This is despite having one for over 20 years.
Unless I see something that tells me we are actually going to try and compete in this league rather than just survive then I wont waste my time let alone money.
Pretty much how I see it too - I know Merseyside is only a 2 hour drive from Villa Park but both this and last season it has been a long journey home after many dire performances - for me the spark has gone - even VCTM jnr has lost his enthuisiasm.
Not renewing - the modern game leaves me cold - jnr is taking up golf.
Yes, the journey home to Harrogate after the games has been very depressing over the last few seasons - one reason I didn't travel last Sunday despite having a ST. Error of judgement on my part, there.
I'm going to suspend judgement on next next season until as late as possible.
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Spoke to the ticket office today and North Stand Upper has gone up £20 to £435.. Lower is £385.
My last season ticket was in the Upper north. Can't remember the exact price but 360 seems to stick in my mind. It was either MON's first or second season so 75 quid increase in 8 years.
TBH I don't mind a 10 quid increase all year in all parts of the ground as long as we improve in the pitch....we have slightly this season but are still treading water.
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So if I bought a season ticket for £510 before the 30/04/14 (paid in full), would I get £51 that I could take off it, using my Villa cash?
Or can you not use your Villa cash on that?
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Probably not.
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Spoke to the ticket office today and North Stand Upper has gone up £20 to £435.. Lower is £385.
Any idea where the £335 seats are?
Looks like p8, L1,L8 and L9, outer blocks.
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Mine has gone up by £15. I will probably take the option of buying at £107 a month over 4 months from May.
That way, I'll have most of it paid off during the time I'm not incurring the other football related costs, ie - getting drunk enough to be able to watch!
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As anticipated mine has gone up to £545 - an increase of around 3%. Feeling a bit bolshy today so I've emailed the club:-
"Hi
I'm 60 years old and have been a season ticket holder for more years than I care to remember. I've just seen the prices for season tickets for 2014/15 and my ST in the Upper Holte has gone up to £545 - an increase of approx 3%. How can you justify this increase? The standard of football at home is appalling, with very few wins; we regularly get knocked out of cup competitions by lower league opponents; we now struggle against relegation every season; and to add insult to injury you regularly offer cut price ticket deals to non-ST holders at the expense of those of us with ST's. At a time when my household income has gone down in real terms, how can you justify this increase and, given the points above, why on earth should I consider renewing?"
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My old seat is £545, lot of money I think
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Mine has gone up £20. A price freeze would have been good PR considering the rubbish we've watched at home this season. They really haven't got a clue.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Depends whether you feel you are getting good value for your money.
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I think football is far too expensive but talking to fans of some other clubs they pay a fair bit more than I do. So our prices are high but they could be so much worse, mid range price for a mid table side I guess.
It's the old argument, if we expect more to be spent on the team it's inevitable that prices increases will be part of the way they try to find it.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not good PR though. Considering the results and football we've witnessed at home this season you might have thought the club would have made a good will gesture of a price freeze just as a nod to the fans.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Depends whether you feel you are getting good value for your money.
The club are caught in a bind really. To be more successful we need to increase income, the club have decided in the case of certain areas of the ground to make inflation matching increases, so they're not making any more revenue from these increases, they're just matching the position they were in previously.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not good PR though. Considering the results and football we've witnessed at home this season you might have thought the club would have made a good will gesture of a price freeze just as a nod to the fans.
They have frozen the price though.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not when peoples wages aren't rising anywhere near the level of inflation. But I suppose that's a different argument.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not good PR though. Considering the results and football we've witnessed at home this season you might have thought the club would have made a good will gesture of a price freeze just as a nod to the fans.
They have frozen the price though.
You should work for the club!
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not when peoples wages aren't rising anywhere near the level of inflation. But I suppose that's a different argument.
Yes, it will depend a lot on the individual. Some may have lost out on all their wages, some may have found employment and can start affording season tickets again. That's out of the club's control though as you say. Not that they shouldn't understand their demographic.
Edit: I suppose if you have a mortgage and loan then you do keep up with the inflationary increase, as your debt has been devalued.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not good PR though. Considering the results and football we've witnessed at home this season you might have thought the club would have made a good will gesture of a price freeze just as a nod to the fans.
They have frozen the price though.
You should work for the club!
Let's see if you can go a day without picking an argument shall we?
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not good PR though. Considering the results and football we've witnessed at home this season you might have thought the club would have made a good will gesture of a price freeze just as a nod to the fans.
They have frozen the price though.
You should work for the club!
Let's see if you can go a day without picking an argument shall we?
The same could be said for lots of people on here.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not good PR though. Considering the results and football we've witnessed at home this season you might have thought the club would have made a good will gesture of a price freeze just as a nod to the fans.
They have frozen the price though.
You should work for the club!
Let's see if you can go a day without picking an argument shall we?
The same could be said for lots of people on here.
It's being said to you.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Depends whether you feel you are getting good value for your money.
The club are caught in a bind really. To be more successful we need to increase income, the club have decided in the case of certain areas of the ground to make inflation matching increases, so they're not making any more revenue from these increases, they're just matching the position they were in previously.
Possibly so, but they are also profiting from a vastly improved tv deal and I can understand some being pissed off at the prices when you look at the sort of wages being paid to under performing footballers .
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The club are not operating in a vacuum though. 19 other clubs will benefit from the increases in the TV money from this summer on. I can imagine that most of that money will follow the same route that increases in revenue in football have followed for 25 years; agents and players.
You cannot operate at the top with a monoeconomic revenue stream, because other clubs will beat you down with their resources.
I am all for a German style re-appraisal of things, but that ship sailed 22 years ago.
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I don't see too much wrong with a rise in-line with inflation, which is ultimately a price freeze in any event.
Not good PR though. Considering the results and football we've witnessed at home this season you might have thought the club would have made a good will gesture of a price freeze just as a nod to the fans.
They have frozen the price though.
You should work for the club!
Let's see if you can go a day without picking an argument shall we?
The same could be said for lots of people on here.
It's being said to you.
I know it is and I've taken it on board, but it could be said to a few others as well.
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I've benefited from the change of age categories from U16 to U18. My lads season ticket would have gone from £160 to £430 and probably put me off renewing to be honest given the cost of travel and the poor home form. I'll probably renew now as we can easily get the money back on games we can't attend through viagogo.
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The club are not operating in a vacuum though. 19 other clubs will benefit from the increases in the TV money from this summer on. I can imagine that most of that money will follow the same route that increases in revenue in football have followed for 25 years; agents and players.
You cannot operate at the top with a monoeconomic revenue stream, because other clubs will beat you down with their resources.
I am all for a German style re-appraisal of things, but that ship sailed 22 years ago.
But what if the ST price increase ends up being the reason why fans don't renew and the club actually ends up losing out?
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Its a sad state of affairs that such a huge proportion of the money paid by hard working fans into football goes on obscene wages and payments to agents.
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on the accounts thread there was a comparison with other club's revenue streams and the money that comes in from supporters was significantly lower than other clubs.
The same 'similar sized' clubs who we constantly complain we should be competing with seem to be bringing an extra £6million or so through the gate, and it would seem their fans buy more merchandise too.
It would also seem that this extra revenue has been obtained largely, not by having bigger crowds, but by charging more.
It unfortunate that they have felt the need to put prices up at a time when so many are pretty fed up already but maybe the club would have been in a better posittion to freeze prices at point when they hadn't already frozen prices for years on end.
At some point, it does have to go up. The timing is poor, but irrelevant to whether I renew unless it becomes unaffordable.
Yes, it would have been a nice gesture, but look at the people saying they'd have had to halve the price to get them in again - how does this affect them?
The real questions are simply:
Do I want to renew?
Can afford it?
I would argue that these price rises have no effect on either answer.
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The club are not operating in a vacuum though. 19 other clubs will benefit from the increases in the TV money from this summer on. I can imagine that most of that money will follow the same route that increases in revenue in football have followed for 25 years; agents and players.
You cannot operate at the top with a monoeconomic revenue stream, because other clubs will beat you down with their resources.
I am all for a German style re-appraisal of things, but that ship sailed 22 years ago.
But what if the ST price increase ends up being the reason why fans don't renew and the club actually ends up losing out?
That's something the club will have factored in.
I am not sure how much should be read into late winter posts on the internet about "all of my mates won't be renewing and we've had season tickets for 30 years" sort of stuff.
The summer is a different time, you have signings going on in conjunction with increased temperatures and sunshine to get the serotonin and dopamine pumping.
By and large, our season tickets have been pretty steady for a very long time now. While the current home form might do little to attract the casual fan, I don't foresee the cliff face drop off some are bandying about.
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Maybe the Norwich attendance should have been seen as an indicator of dissatisfaction.
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Maybe the Norwich attendance should have been seen as an indicator of dissatisfaction.
Do you mean the average attendance expectations should be based on the attendance of a game at 4pm on the Sunday of the League Cup Final which was played in driving rain? Are you sure about that? If anything that's a measure for about as low as it can get for a league game.
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I think it's a disgrace that prices have gone at all.
In this age of insane revenue from TV deals, in an age where the fan is more and more being told that their admission money counts less and less, I feel that any rise, especially in view of the utter garbage we've had to endure at home in the name of supporting our team, is a real insult. And before "early" deals get a mention four premier league wins at home all season is not an incentive. It's on course to be the worst home record in living memory.
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The club are not operating in a vacuum though. 19 other clubs will benefit from the increases in the TV money from this summer on. I can imagine that most of that money will follow the same route that increases in revenue in football have followed for 25 years; agents and players.
You cannot operate at the top with a monoeconomic revenue stream, because other clubs will beat you down with their resources.
I am all for a German style re-appraisal of things, but that ship sailed 22 years ago.
But what if the ST price increase ends up being the reason why fans don't renew and the club actually ends up losing out?
A 3% or 4% increase is highly unlikely to do that. Football fans don't buy season tickets based on price - just like taking £20 off the cost of a season ticket wouldn't significantly increase the number of season ticket holders, adding £20 on won't significantly decrease them either. There will undoubtedly be a small attrition rate but the price increase will more than compensate.
As amfy said, our gate receipts are much lower than similar sized clubs with smaller grounds simply because they charge more than we do. If you think season tickets at the Villa are expensive your problem is with football in general, not the Villa.
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Maybe the Norwich attendance should have been seen as an indicator of dissatisfaction.
Do you mean the average attendance expectations should be based on the attendance of a game at 4pm on the Sunday of the League Cup Final which was played in driving rain? Are you sure about that? If anything that's a measure for about as low as it can get for a league game.
I doubt if the rain would have made much difference as tickets would be mainly sold by then. There is no doubt that it was a poor crowd. How many Villa supporters would have stopped away to watch the LCF? People are getting to the point of throwing the towel in. Loads of them have told me, usually at matches so I tend to take notice of them.
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Maybe the Norwich attendance should have been seen as an indicator of dissatisfaction.
Do you mean the average attendance expectations should be based on the attendance of a game at 4pm on the Sunday of the League Cup Final which was played in driving rain? Are you sure about that? If anything that's a measure for about as low as it can get for a league game.
I doubt if the rain would have made much difference as tickets would be mainly sold by then. There is no doubt that it was a poor crowd. How many Villa supporters would have stopped away to watch the LCF? People are getting to the point of throwing the towel in. Loads of them have told me, usually at matches so I tend to take notice of them.
I agree with dc5 , it was our first home game for a month and a vital match - the attendance was poor and a sign of discontent in my opinion.
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Pretty much every season we have at least one crap attendance. It's when it becomes the norm is the time to worry.
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The club are not operating in a vacuum though. 19 other clubs will benefit from the increases in the TV money from this summer on. I can imagine that most of that money will follow the same route that increases in revenue in football have followed for 25 years; agents and players.
You cannot operate at the top with a monoeconomic revenue stream, because other clubs will beat you down with their resources.
I am all for a German style re-appraisal of things, but that ship sailed 22 years ago.
But what if the ST price increase ends up being the reason why fans don't renew and the club actually ends up losing out?
A 3% or 4% increase is highly unlikely to do that. Football fans don't buy season tickets based on price - just like taking £20 off the cost of a season ticket wouldn't significantly increase the number of season ticket holders, adding £20 on won't significantly decrease them either. There will undoubtedly be a small attrition rate but the price increase will more than compensate.
As amfy said, our gate receipts are much lower than similar sized clubs with smaller grounds simply because they charge more than we do. If you think season tickets at the Villa are expensive your problem is with football in general, not the Villa.
You can argue with all manner of theories and suppositions. We will see what happens when next season comes around. The club are doing their best, on the marketing side, to sell tickets early. Unfortunately, the football side of the business is letting it down. That is what they pay to watch. Only the very committed, or those who need committing (probably the same people), will go for the early bird offers. Those who have held back to see what happens will need some convincing.
If I was to be asked by the club what I thought the mood of the fans was, I would tell them straight. Most fans are fed up and this would be proved correct in a vote. Not everybody wants to continually wait to 'see what happens in the next window'.
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A (semi) interesting guide will be Chavski. 2 years ago under McLeish we played them on March 31st at 3pm and got 34,740.
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Although season tickets are relatively price inelastic, I do think very frequently people make a decision regarding paying for the whole season in advance based on what they're getting in return - that being what we see on the pitch.
I'd imagine another season of a handful of wins plus some truly embarrassing home defeats will have more impact on the take-up of season tickets than a price increase. That's certainly the part the club needs to get right.
Our seasons tickets are (comparatively) cheap, I don't think they've ever been piss takers in that sense, but they desperately need to improve the football, especially at home, very quickly.
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I think the prices should have been frozen personally. Mine is £510 next season and although the increase only works out at an extra £1 per game, going over the £500 mark might be enough to put some people off.
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Can anyone see season ticket sales going up? So selling the same number would be an achievement. Based on the home record and quality of football they will struggle to sell them, unless there is a significant change in strategy.
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You cannot operate at the top with a monoeconomic revenue stream
And on reading that sentence he sighed, slowly closed the lid of his laptop and walked away silently sobbing. The battle was lost and football was gone forever.
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I made the word up from monocrop. Incidentally, there has never been anything modern in generally the club who spends the most, wins the most.
If all you have is TV money and 19 others have that, then you're going to have to do something very clever to give yourself the edge.
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I'm going to renew early as my monoeconomic income is cash flow positive right now and 10% off, even in vouchers, is a better return than leaving it in the bank.
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I made the word up from monocrop. Incidentally, there has never been anything modern in generally the club who spends the most, wins the most.
If all you have is TV money and 19 others have that, then you're going to have to do something very clever to give yourself the edge.
I think the expectations of us winning trophies are pretty low to be honest , but fans should expect to see their team perform at home to a better level than we have done in recent seasons .
The fans who travel away are seeing better football generally from villa than the home fans are - and it's at home that we should be picking up the majority of our points .
Finish midtable and play decent football at home and many fans would be much happier .
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I made the word up from monocrop. Incidentally, there has never been anything modern in generally the club who spends the most, wins the most.
If all you have is TV money and 19 others have that, then you're going to have to do something very clever to give yourself the edge.
I think the expectations of us winning trophies are pretty low to be honest , but fans should expect to see their team perform at home to a better level than we have done in recent seasons .
The fans who travel away are seeing better football generally from villa than the home fans are - and it's at home that we should be picking up the majority of our points .
Finish midtable and play decent football at home and many fans would be much happier .
We're nearly halfway there! 11th!
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I made the word up from monocrop. Incidentally, there has never been anything modern in generally the club who spends the most, wins the most.
If all you have is TV money and 19 others have that, then you're going to have to do something very clever to give yourself the edge.
I think the expectations of us winning trophies are pretty low to be honest , but fans should expect to see their team perform at home to a better level than we have done in recent seasons .
The fans who travel away are seeing better football generally from villa than the home fans are - and it's at home that we should be picking up the majority of our points .
Finish midtable and play decent football at home and many fans would be much happier .
We're nearly halfway there! 11th!
You missed the decent football bit ;)
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I think a price freeze would have been good PR but guess they are legislating that most have already made a decision on whether to renew or not...
Most of those that will renew will do so despite the home record....it's up to the club to win the others back in changes & improvements this summer.
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Pretty much every season we have at least one crap attendance. It's when it becomes the norm is the time to worry.
Exactly, If the Norwich attendance becomes the norm then it's a problem, as is there are a whole bunch of mitigating circumstances.
As for 'I know people aren't happy because they've told me' - how much of that is projection because you're fed up yourself? How much is that you tend to spend more time with people with a similar attitude to yourself? I'm not trying to belittle your opinion here but I just don't think 'loads of people have told me they're not happy so it must be common' is as clear as you're making it. Of course people are fed up, our home record has been poor for years, but I just don't buy that it will see a massive drop in season ticket sales as people are suggesting.
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I just realized we did the double over Norwich, our first of the season I think.
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Pretty much every season we have at least one crap attendance. It's when it becomes the norm is the time to worry.
Exactly, If the Norwich attendance becomes the norm then it's a problem, as is there are a whole bunch of mitigating circumstances.
As for 'I know people aren't happy because they've told me' - how much of that is projection because you're fed up yourself? How much is that you tend to spend more time with people with a similar attitude to yourself? I'm not trying to belittle your opinion here but I just don't think 'loads of people have told me they're not happy so it must be common' is as clear as you're making it. Of course people are fed up, our home record has been poor for years, but I just don't buy that it will see a massive drop in season ticket sales as people are suggesting.
Kindly point me in the direction of throngs of people who are clamouring for a season ticket next year. I will get one. In the meantime, I'll go and get a shirt with 'don't talk to me about the Villa because I'm a miserable bastard' on it.
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The club should of included cup games with the Season ticket.The club wouldn't of missed much in the way of revenue.
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I'll renew as usual, but can't blame anyone who doesn't.
A combination of more crap football and a glut of cheap matchday offers may dissuade many this time, I fear.
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The club should of included cup games with the Season ticket.The club wouldn't of missed much in the way of revenue.
The away clubs would.
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The 10% Villa Cash offer is tempting (£33.50 back on £335) but I'm sticking to my guns. Viagogo and special offers now. Plus I can take my Grandson every now and then.
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The club should of included cup games with the Season ticket.The club wouldn't of missed much in the way of revenue.
The away clubs would.
The away club would wave payment knowing playing at Villa Park is an automatic game into the next round.
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People are getting to the point of throwing the towel in. Loads of them have told me, usually at matches so I tend to take notice of them.
People at matches have been telling me that that they're throwing the towel in for about 5 years now. I take no notice of them at all.
"you are a Factory of Sadness. see you next week"
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The prices are certainly reasonable when compared with other clubs who we are in the same ballpark as us when it comes to "commercial size" - Everton, West Ham and Newcastle, but none of them have offered such poor value on the pitch like we have. Among the worst home-records in Europe since the McLeish season, at what stage does loyalty become synonymous with taken for a mug?
More - a lot more, of the "compelling" football that Lerner demanded prior to Lambert's arrival and maybe people wouldn't feel so miserable about the whole thing.
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I'm not throwing the towel in, I'm simply not renewing. I will still go to every home game via a combination of cheap seats, viagogo and deals offered by the club. All in all I will still get to see every game but will be a lot better off.
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I just realized we did the double over Norwich, our first of the season I think.
And two more to come v manciti and Southampton.
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I'm not throwing the towel in, I'm simply not renewing. I will still go to every home game via a combination of cheap seats, viagogo and deals offered by the club. All in all I will still get to see every game but will be a lot better off.
What you said.
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I'm not throwing the towel in, I'm simply not renewing. I will still go to every home game via a combination of cheap seats, viagogo and deals offered by the club. All in all I will still get to see every game but will be a lot better off.
I think this is a bit of a myth with some of our fans. Yes, there are several games where the club do cheap tickets and viagogo also comes in handy.
But just think how much you'll spend getting tickets for Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal alone. That's easily £100+ for 4 adult tickets for those games. To be cheaper than our cheapest ST you would then need to get the other 15 games for less than £235, that's a maximum of just over £15 per game, viagogo will really have to come up trumps as the club won't be doing the majority of the 15 games left at that price.
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The current run of games has been 4 for £40. That's £10 a ticket. viagogo have plenty of £10 tickets on offer with their booking/handling fee on top.
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The current run of games has been 4 for £40. That's £10 a ticket. viagogo have plenty of £10 tickets on offer with their booking/handling fee on top.
That including Chelsea?
I can't make it on Saturday so I put my ticket on viagogo and it was snapped up for £28.
Our current run includes Norwich and Stoke which are live on TV so I'd say that makes them cheaper than normal.
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Don't think so.
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Probably not.
Oooooh. You're wavering...
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So if I bought a season ticket for £510 before the 30/04/14 (paid in full), would I get £51 that I could take off it, using my Villa cash?
Or can you not use your Villa cash on that?
'Probably not' was referring to this, mate.
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Yeah, I just read the thread and didn't realise I missed about 4 pages. I was hoping my reply was 4 pages ago too...
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I tend to average about 15 home games a season now, I usually get to 3-4 away games a season (Arsenal, Stoke and two others) so I always miss a home game around that period to compensate for the cost of the away ticket.
The average price I pay on Viagogo for home games is between 15-20 quid so that's 300 quid over the season more or less so I'll stick to that.
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The current run of games has been 4 for £40. That's £10 a ticket. viagogo have plenty of £10 tickets on offer with their booking/handling fee on top.
That including Chelsea?
I can't make it on Saturday so I put my ticket on viagogo and it was snapped up for £28.
Our current run includes Norwich and Stoke which are live on TV so I'd say that makes them cheaper than normal.
£22 half way line Witton Lane lower.Its funny the Trinity upper wings normally go on Thursday morning for £17 tops.
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Pretty much every season we have at least one crap attendance. It's when it becomes the norm is the time to worry.
Exactly, If the Norwich attendance becomes the norm then it's a problem, as is there are a whole bunch of mitigating circumstances.
As for 'I know people aren't happy because they've told me' - how much of that is projection because you're fed up yourself? How much is that you tend to spend more time with people with a similar attitude to yourself? I'm not trying to belittle your opinion here but I just don't think 'loads of people have told me they're not happy so it must be common' is as clear as you're making it. Of course people are fed up, our home record has been poor for years, but I just don't buy that it will see a massive drop in season ticket sales as people are suggesting.
Kindly point me in the direction of throngs of people who are clamouring for a season ticket next year. I will get one. In the meantime, I'll go and get a shirt with 'don't talk to me about the Villa because I'm a miserable bastard' on it.
Same response as every pessimist ever on the internet, I don't have to prove anything, you suggested people are ready to throw the towel in, I disputed it because I don't think your sample of opinions is either extensive enough or provable as unbiased. I'm not having a go I'm just pointing out that to take those things, pick the lowest attendance of the season, and say that should be the benchmark for next year is making a pretty big leap based on very little evidence.
I understand you've had enough of watching poor football and I understand you're going to want to vent over it, that's fair enough but the last line of the response above is just petulant and I ignored the barb about caring more about what people at matches say but that was a bit childish as well. There's no need for you to get defensive or try scoring cheap points when I disagree with you, I wasn't even disputing that people are pissed off, just that I don't think it will have a massive effect on attendances, they might see a small drop in season tickets, around 1-2% but the average attendance won't change by much, in my opinion, as a club we always seem to float around 35000 and I don't see next year being any different.
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Assuming Lambert is still in charge my answer will be a big fat no. Not even for £5 per game. That will be my tiny and no doubt insignificant protest in the direction of Lerner/Faulkner for subjecting me to another gut-wrenchingly awful season at Villa Park.
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Pretty much every season we have at least one crap attendance. It's when it becomes the norm is the time to worry.
Exactly, If the Norwich attendance becomes the norm then it's a problem, as is there are a whole bunch of mitigating circumstances.
As for 'I know people aren't happy because they've told me' - how much of that is projection because you're fed up yourself? How much is that you tend to spend more time with people with a similar attitude to yourself? I'm not trying to belittle your opinion here but I just don't think 'loads of people have told me they're not happy so it must be common' is as clear as you're making it. Of course people are fed up, our home record has been poor for years, but I just don't buy that it will see a massive drop in season ticket sales as people are suggesting.
Kindly point me in the direction of throngs of people who are clamouring for a season ticket next year. I will get one. In the meantime, I'll go and get a shirt with 'don't talk to me about the Villa because I'm a miserable bastard' on it.
Same response as every pessimist ever on the internet, I don't have to prove anything, you suggested people are ready to throw the towel in, I disputed it because I don't think your sample of opinions is either extensive enough or provable as unbiased. I'm not having a go I'm just pointing out that to take those things, pick the lowest attendance of the season, and say that should be the benchmark for next year is making a pretty big leap based on very little evidence.
I understand you've had enough of watching poor football and I understand you're going to want to vent over it, that's fair enough but the last line of the response above is just petulant and I ignored the barb about caring more about what people at matches say but that was a bit childish as well. There's no need for you to get defensive or try scoring cheap points when I disagree with you, I wasn't even disputing that people are pissed off, just that I don't think it will have a massive effect on attendances, they might see a small drop in season tickets, around 1-2% but the average attendance won't change by much, in my opinion, as a club we always seem to float around 35000 and I don't see next year being any different.
You seem to of missed a zero after your percentages,it is more likely to be 10-20% that don't renew,I would guess 2-3000 down on this year.
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My nephew appears to have ceased being a Young Adult and become an Under 18 and if that's the case, I'll be saving £250. Assuming he wants to renew of course. If he doesn't, I'll be saving even more. Yay.
The Young Adult pricing bracket is really strange again, it's cheaper to sit in the Yellow and Claret areas than in the Blue and Orange bits. Clicky (http://avfcplc.co.uk/avfc-assets/season-tickets-2014/downloads/seasonticketprices1415.pdf)
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Pretty much every season we have at least one crap attendance. It's when it becomes the norm is the time to worry.
Exactly, If the Norwich attendance becomes the norm then it's a problem, as is there are a whole bunch of mitigating circumstances.
As for 'I know people aren't happy because they've told me' - how much of that is projection because you're fed up yourself? How much is that you tend to spend more time with people with a similar attitude to yourself? I'm not trying to belittle your opinion here but I just don't think 'loads of people have told me they're not happy so it must be common' is as clear as you're making it. Of course people are fed up, our home record has been poor for years, but I just don't buy that it will see a massive drop in season ticket sales as people are suggesting.
Kindly point me in the direction of throngs of people who are clamouring for a season ticket next year. I will get one. In the meantime, I'll go and get a shirt with 'don't talk to me about the Villa because I'm a miserable bastard' on it.
Same response as every pessimist ever on the internet, I don't have to prove anything, you suggested people are ready to throw the towel in, I disputed it because I don't think your sample of opinions is either extensive enough or provable as unbiased. I'm not having a go I'm just pointing out that to take those things, pick the lowest attendance of the season, and say that should be the benchmark for next year is making a pretty big leap based on very little evidence.
I understand you've had enough of watching poor football and I understand you're going to want to vent over it, that's fair enough but the last line of the response above is just petulant and I ignored the barb about caring more about what people at matches say but that was a bit childish as well. There's no need for you to get defensive or try scoring cheap points when I disagree with you, I wasn't even disputing that people are pissed off, just that I don't think it will have a massive effect on attendances, they might see a small drop in season tickets, around 1-2% but the average attendance won't change by much, in my opinion, as a club we always seem to float around 35000 and I don't see next year being any different.
Regarding "As for 'I know people aren't happy because they've told me' - how much of that is projection because you're fed up yourself?" - are you a psycho-analyst?
What is wrong with gauging the opinions of people renewing and seeking that information from those who already hold a season ticket? We weren't talking about how many new purchases there will be.
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We often see a lot of "I'm not renewing because..." type posts at this time of year. We also get a fair few "I wasn't going to renew but..." type posts in August.
That's not meant as a dig in any way but an observation that we're football fans and the pull to go to games is strong despite what we might tell ourselves when we're pissed off walking away from a dull home performance.
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Assuming Lambert is still in charge my answer will be a big fat no. Not even for £5 per game. That will be my tiny and no doubt insignificant protest in the direction of Lerner/Faulkner for subjecting me to another gut-wrenchingly awful season at Villa Park.
This is an example ^
There are certainly a number if people who aren't renewing for a range of reasons. The price of the season ticket going up by £15-40 isn't one of them. The price of a season ticket/match tickets full stop might be a reason for some people in the current economic climate, but the extra bit makes no difference.
Example - there is no way, no matter how pissed off I am with modern football in general, villa specifically, or how tight things are financially, that I could have a thought process that goes 'I could have scraped together/stuck with Lambert at £415, but £430???? - Sorry - that's me out!'
I certainly think there'll be a drop, but maybe less than expected. There's no doubt there are real live examples of people who aren't renewing. Out the somewhere there'll also be people that can afford a season ticket for the first time. I got my first one back at a time when Villa Park was emptying simply because I could. People maybe underestimate the range of factors that affect people. It is certainly also true that people 'at the match' who say 'Thats it! I'm not renewing!' are possibly the least reliable gauge of what is actually going to happen.
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It is certainly also true that people 'at the match' who say 'Thats it! I'm not renewing!' are possibly the least reliable gauge of what is actually going to happen.
How can the least reliable gauge of anything be listening to representatives of the group concerned? I appreciate that some people threaten to not renew but always do, but there does seem to be an ever increasing air of pissedoffness amongst the crowd.
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The people who sit by me have spoke much less this year about not renewing than they did at the end of both the GH and TSM seasons.
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It is certainly also true that people 'at the match' who say 'Thats it! I'm not renewing!' are possibly the least reliable gauge of what is actually going to happen.
How can the least reliable gauge of anything be listening to representatives of the group concerned? I appreciate that some people threaten to not renew but always do, but there does seem to be an ever increasing air of pissedoffness amongst the crowd.
So why should this equate to people actually following through with this more than any other year?
Some of those who are threatening not come back won't, but actually, just like every other season, most if them will.
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It is certainly also true that people 'at the match' who say 'Thats it! I'm not renewing!' are possibly the least reliable gauge of what is actually going to happen.
How can the least reliable gauge of anything be listening to representatives of the group concerned? I appreciate that some people threaten to not renew but always do, but there does seem to be an ever increasing air of pissedoffness amongst the crowd.
So why should this equate to people actually following through with this more than any other year?
Some of those who are threatening not come back won't, but actually, just like every other season, most if them will.
We will go round and round in circles here. When next season comes around, we will find out if the ST sales ever get announced, which they don't seem to these days.
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We often see a lot of "I'm not renewing because..." type posts at this time of year. We also get a fair few "I wasn't going to renew but..." type posts in August.
That's not meant as a dig in any way but an observation that we're football fans and the pull to go to games is strong despite what we might tell ourselves when we're pissed off walking away from a dull home performance.
Ask me in August if I am still a S/T holder then.
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It is certainly also true that people 'at the match' who say 'Thats it! I'm not renewing!' are possibly the least reliable gauge of what is actually going to happen.
How can the least reliable gauge of anything be listening to representatives of the group concerned? I appreciate that some people threaten to not renew but always do, but there does seem to be an ever increasing air of pissedoffness amongst the crowd.
So why should this equate to people actually following through with this more than any other year?
Some of those who are threatening not come back won't, but actually, just like every other season, most if them will.
Which is exactly my point about projection, if everyone is pissed off after a few shit performances they're more likely to say they're not renewing but come July most will be just as keen as ever.
I'm in no way trying to be an analyst, just pointing out that your experiences from talking to a select number of people at the ground aren't indicative of anything other than them being a bit pissed off that we've had another poor season. A response to my message suggests a drop of 2000-3000 next year, I'm willing to bet that our average attendance next season will be within 1000 of this year. We never seem to drift too far away from 36000 and I don't think that will change next year.
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As there are tickets for the North Stand next season I presume the supposed plans for redevelopment (Rugby World Cup? 2015?) have been shelved?
(Edit - have since seen talk on other threads about this, so that's a no to redevelopment till 2016 at the earliest)
It's very unlikely that me & my lad will renew as we are moving house & the bump up in mortgage costs need to be recouped from somewhere. Despite the appalling home form I think we will both miss going & would have renewed if we had the spare cash.
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The people who sit by me have spoke much less this year about not renewing than they did at the end of both the GH and TSM seasons.
Same here. I haven't heard anyone near me suggest not renewing for next season.
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Effectively a 10% discount if you purchase before 6pm on 30th April is a nice gesture.
But, bloody hell, buying next seasons ticket before this season is over, sticks in the craw a little bit.
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Yeah....you've just had 6 months of dross to put up with, a couple of exceptions aside, why not sign-up for 9 months more?! Not an easy job being in ticket sales down the Villa.
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Yeah....you've just had 6 months of dross to put up with, a couple of exceptions aside, why not sign-up for 9 months more?! Not an easy job being in ticket sales down the Villa.
Must be a hard working team in that office.
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From my perspective I'm not renewing the youngest as he has lost any interest in football so making a saving there. My 16 year old's has gone down as he is now an under 18. Mine up a tenner but with the Villa cash (which will cover a replica short for Walmley Jnr I'm quids in 'so to speak'....
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I think we're at the point where the people who have season tickets now, will just continue to buy them anyway and are not affected by how we play (if you've had one for the last 3 seasons, you'll take anything).
However, and I say this now, but could possibly change my mind, I do not think I will renew next season. It's just been too much of an effort for too long.
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However, and I say this now, but could possibly change my mind, I do not think I will renew next season. It's just been too much of an effort for too long.
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Ditto
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As it stands at the moment theyc ould be halving the price of my season ticket and I wouldnt renew. This is despite having one for over 20 years.
Unless I see something that tells me we are actually going to try and compete in this league rather than just survive then I wont waste my time let alone money.
Pretty much how I see it too - I know Merseyside is only a 2 hour drive from Villa Park but both this and last season it has been a long journey home after many dire performances - for me the spark has gone - even VCTM jnr has lost his enthuisiasm.
Not renewing - the modern game leaves me cold - jnr is taking up golf.
I have made my mind up - they could sign Messi and Ronaldo and I would still not renew (but I may reconsider if Bowery stays).
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As it stands at the moment theyc ould be halving the price of my season ticket and I wouldnt renew. This is despite having one for over 20 years.
Unless I see something that tells me we are actually going to try and compete in this league rather than just survive then I wont waste my time let alone money.
Pretty much how I see it too - I know Merseyside is only a 2 hour drive from Villa Park but both this and last season it has been a long journey home after many dire performances - for me the spark has gone - even VCTM jnr has lost his enthuisiasm.
Not renewing - the modern game leaves me cold - jnr is taking up golf.
I have made my mind up - they could sign Messi and Ronaldo and I would still not renew (but I may reconsider if Bowery stays).
My sources tell me PSG are going to sign him.
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I'm not throwing the towel in, I'm simply not renewing. I will still go to every home game via a combination of cheap seats, viagogo and deals offered by the club. All in all I will still get to see every game but will be a lot better off.
I think this is a bit of a myth with some of our fans. Yes, there are several games where the club do cheap tickets and viagogo also comes in handy.
But just think how much you'll spend getting tickets for Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal alone. That's easily £100+ for 4 adult tickets for those games. To be cheaper than our cheapest ST you would then need to get the other 15 games for less than £235, that's a maximum of just over £15 per game, viagogo will really have to come up trumps as the club won't be doing the majority of the 15 games left at that price.
Yes, just think of that lovely points-fest you might miss - for Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.
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I had a phone call from the Villa yesterday. My answers were -
"Yes I will be renewing"
"Yes, I will do it on the nine month payment plan again"
"Why, when is the deadline???"
"In that case, no thanks. I don't wish to do it all over the phone right now. I will do it at the end of May".
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Right now? That's a bit pushy.
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I thought that. But it was worded and in the tone of doing me a favour. As in "I could do that right now for you over the phone if you wished".
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I thought that. But it was worded and in the tone of doing me a favour. As in "I could do that right now for you over the phone if you wished".
We used to complain when they didn't try to sell us tickets.
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Assuming that we have 23000 season ticket holders at the moment (anyone know what the true figure is?) at an average of £400 and the average price has gone up by £15, a drop of just 831 renewals negates any price rise.
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Assuming that we have 23000 season ticket holders at the moment (anyone know what the true figure is?) at an average of £400 and the average price has gone up by £15, a drop of just 831 renewals negates any price rise.
Which equals 13.403 season ticket holders per block.
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Assuming that we have 23000 season ticket holders at the moment (anyone know what the true figure is?) at an average of £400 and the average price has gone up by £15, a drop of just 831 renewals negates any price rise.
Less than 831 if you take into account peripheral sales i.e beer, pie, programme.
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Assuming that we have 23000 season ticket holders at the moment (anyone know what the true figure is?) at an average of £400 and the average price has gone up by £15, a drop of just 831 renewals negates any price rise.
Or...
If the club assume that we will loose ST holders even without a price increase [as I am sure we have a churn rate of ST holders], then by having one they negate the potential loss of 3.5% of ST holders.
So it could be argued that the club is being responsible with its finances by having a price increase
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This aligns with what I think. There are far more in the 'I wouldn't have a season ticket if they halved the price' camp, than the 'I'm not renewing because its gone up by 3%' camp.
Therefore, to counteract sales they are going to lose anyway, they need to charge those who are going to renew anyway a bit more.
For people who are going to renew anyway the price rise isn't likely to be a deal breaker. Those who aren't renewing just aren't, & have made clear that the only 'deal' that will persuade them back is a better product on the pitch. So their best action in respect of those is to maintain income keep trying to improve.
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Cost of living increases are to be expected in ever walk of life except that applicable to footballers and their managers, the latter being one breed who get richer the worse they are.
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I'm not throwing the towel in, I'm simply not renewing. I will still go to every home game via a combination of cheap seats, viagogo and deals offered by the club. All in all I will still get to see every game but will be a lot better off.
I think this is a bit of a myth with some of our fans. Yes, there are several games where the club do cheap tickets and viagogo also comes in handy.
But just think how much you'll spend getting tickets for Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal alone. That's easily £100+ for 4 adult tickets for those games. To be cheaper than our cheapest ST you would then need to get the other 15 games for less than £235, that's a maximum of just over £15 per game, viagogo will really have to come up trumps as the club won't be doing the majority of the 15 games left at that price.
Yes, just think of that lovely points-fest you might miss - for Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.
There's upper trinity tickets available on Viagogo currently for Southampton, Fulham and Hull for just over a tenner. Think I got my Chelsea tickets for 20 quid aswell so it is possible probably although I haven't keep track as I've missed 4 home games this season and will be missing the Stoke game aswell.
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How many tickets are on viagogo at these prices? Is it pretty much a limitless supply, or is it something that the laws of supply & send would push upwards if too many more people do it?
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How many tickets are on viagogo at these prices? Is it pretty much a limitless supply, or is it something that the laws of supply & send would push upwards if too many more people do it?
You would assume that most tickets on Viagogo are season tickets being sold by ST holders who can't go to the game, so it stands to reason that if a lot of ST holders decide not to renew and go down the Viagogo route then there will be less available and they will be more expensive.
So renew you bastards so I can get cheap tickets when I want them!
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There are 6 of us that go together, with two sets of 3 season tickets in the same block in a part of the ground that suits us. If we decided to do it on a match by match basis then the chances of replicating that would be slim and would diminish our enjoyment of the day. I suspect that is the case for a majority of ST holders.
So, for those who go on their own or don't care where they sit then I can see the benefit of match by match purchase but it's not for me.
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There's usually Upper Trinity tickets available on Viagogo for ridiculously low prices (10-15 quid) for most games about a month before the fixture. No idea who is selling them but not complaining.
Other parts of the ground the prices are pretty much face value.
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http://www.viagogo.co.uk/astonvilla/Sports-Tickets/Football/Barclays-Premier-League/Aston-Villa-FC-Tickets/E-552207
So for the Stoke game next week we have a couple of lower Holte tickets available for 12 quid and another in the Upper North for 11.36.
With the lovely booking fees that still rounds up to 15 quid to watch the game so can't complain with that really.
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If we get to a Cup Final will Viagogo provide cheap tickets?
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I enjoy sitting miserably with the same miserable faces around me . That's what ST ownership is all about . Viagogo doesn't give you that.
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If we get to a Cup Final will Viagogo provide cheap tickets?
No but the booking history from buying on viagogo will.
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If we get to a Cup Final will Viagogo provide cheap tickets?
No but the booking history from buying on viagogo will.
Good point. You need a booking history in the form of a Customer ID to purchase match tickets from them.
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You would assume that most tickets on Viagogo are season tickets being sold by ST holders who can't go to the game,
I'd say Viagogo seats are mainly supplied by the club. Obviously the 1s and 2s are supporters that can't go. But when you're talking about whole bunches of up to 6 at a time (especially in the Upper Trinity) that's got to be the club offloading
What i find incredibly bizarre is these seats are the top price bracket ones yet are sold for as little as a tenner. Why don't the club just drop the price to £20 themselves and then i'm sure they'd shift em via the ticket shop?
I got two for the upcoming Fulham game in A1 for a combined total inc postage of £12.68. That was with a Viagogo discount code but nonetheless
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Get yerself down to Villa Park and grab a season ticket boys and girls. Things are on the way up!
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Get yerself down to Villa Park and grab a season ticket boys and girls. Things are on the way up!
If you do I am next in the queue.
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Get yerself down to Villa Park and grab a season ticket boys and girls. Things are on the way up!
If you do I am next in the queue.
You have no idea how much I wish I could.
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Get yerself down to Villa Park and grab a season ticket boys and girls. Things are on the way up!
If you do I am next in the queue.
You have no idea how much I wish I could.
Lightweight.
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Get yerself down to Villa Park and grab a season ticket boys and girls. Things are on the way up!
If you do I am next in the queue.
You have no idea how much I wish I could.
Lightweight.
I'll make sure I definitely come over next year and I'll get a seat near your new season ticket at a game. I will also gladly buy you a beverage or two after. How's that?
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Get yerself down to Villa Park and grab a season ticket boys and girls. Things are on the way up!
If you do I am next in the queue.
You have no idea how much I wish I could.
Lightweight.
I'll make sure I definitely come over next year and I'll get a seat near your new season ticket at a game. I will also gladly buy you a beverage or two after. How's that?
If I get a S/T next season I will pay your air fare and get you on the sub's bench.
If not when you are over I will be the first to.get a beer.
My home brew is coming along very nice and strong.
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you'll be glad to hear I'm as almost as good as Wilian on today's showing. I'll take you up on your offer and look forward immensely to your home brew.
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you'll be glad to hear I'm as almost as good as Wilian on today's showing. I'll take you up on your offer and look forward immensely to your home brew.
I have a 2 year old barley wine with your name on.
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you'll be glad to hear I'm as almost as good as Wilian on today's showing. I'll take you up on your offer and look forward immensely to your home brew.
I have a 2 year old barley wine with your name on.
why thank you sir. We can sip on it post victory
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I renewed yesterday!
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You would assume that most tickets on Viagogo are season tickets being sold by ST holders who can't go to the game,
I'd say Viagogo seats are mainly supplied by the club. Obviously the 1s and 2s are supporters that can't go. But when you're talking about whole bunches of up to 6 at a time (especially in the Upper Trinity) that's got to be the club offloading
What i find incredibly bizarre is these seats are the top price bracket ones yet are sold for as little as a tenner. Why don't the club just drop the price to £20 themselves and then i'm sure they'd shift em via the ticket shop?
I got two for the upcoming Fulham game in A1 for a combined total inc postage of £12.68. That was with a Viagogo discount code but nonetheless
They may be in the top price bravket but the Upper Trinity is the last part of the ground to fill. Apart from the front few rows, it is too high up and far from the action.
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Dad turns 65 in November so was hoping to get his ST next season cheaper. Rang today to ask about it and was told the date is 1st September to qualify. He said fine, can you just buy match tickets until December then buy a half ST when he will be 65. Was told no, date of 1st Sept will still apply. How do they work that out? Been a ST holder over 20 years and says daft he has to wait for another season now before getting the discount.
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Dad turns 65 in November so was hoping to get his ST next season cheaper. Rang today to ask about it and was told the date is 1st September to qualify. He said fine, can you just buy match tickets until December then buy a half ST when he will be 65. Was told no, date of 1st Sept will still apply. How do they work that out? Been a ST holder over 20 years and says daft he has to wait for another season now before getting the discount.
I would have thought that they could do a pro rata arrangement. if you were buying away tickets mid-season that would definitely be the case.
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Dad turns 65 in November so was hoping to get his ST next season cheaper. Rang today to ask about it and was told the date is 1st September to qualify. He said fine, can you just buy match tickets until December then buy a half ST when he will be 65. Was told no, date of 1st Sept will still apply. How do they work that out? Been a ST holder over 20 years and says daft he has to wait for another season now before getting the discount.
It cuts both ways, my nephew turns 18 in December so is entitled to renew at the under 18 rate as he is still 17 as of 1st September.
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I bought a six year (for the price of five) season ticket for Edgbaston. Owing to turning 60 during that period, I got a further discount.
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Dad turns 65 in November so was hoping to get his ST next season cheaper. Rang today to ask about it and was told the date is 1st September to qualify. He said fine, can you just buy match tickets until December then buy a half ST when he will be 65. Was told no, date of 1st Sept will still apply. How do they work that out? Been a ST holder over 20 years and says daft he has to wait for another season now before getting the discount.
That's a bugger of a date, my birthday's on the 30th August :-(
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There's no way the pension age is going to be that low in 2048 anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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I bought a six year (for the price of five) season ticket for Edgbaston. Owing to turning 60 during that period, I got a further discount.
I did the same - it was great value and the extra discount was an added benefit that i wasn't aware of.
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I bought a six year (for the price of five) season ticket for Edgbaston. Owing to turning 60 during that period, I got a further discount.
Also the annual membership fee at Warwickshire has been frozen for yet another season and a pint of Banks Bitter was £3 in he members lounge last season. Top flight football is on a trajectory to another planet. Villa are doing their best but the force is not with them.