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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: BegbieAV on March 03, 2014, 08:50:22 PM
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Got to be Tonev for me!
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Hmmm, whats this? Day after a good win? People in a better mood?
BETTER REMIND EVERYONE HOW SHIT THINGS ARE!
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Benteke, if he was any good he'd have scored a hat-trick yesterday. The useless alien eared gimp.
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Guzan without a doubt. He was solely to blame for us going 0-1 down yesterday. If he'd have saved it, it would never have been a goal.
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Hmmm, whats this? Day after a good win? People in a better mood?
BETTER REMIND EVERYONE HOW SHIT THINGS ARE!
dont think we need reminding! And there is no need to shout.
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Yes let's find another way to slag off our Manager. Great.
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James Vaughan.
Crap Lambert signing, now at Huddlesfield.
Edit: Just checked and see he was born in Sutton so probably a Villa fan. If so, he's ace.
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Luna, utter rubbish. I can see something with tonev he just hasn't adjusted to the Premier a League (yet).
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Plenty of managers have spent incredible amounts on a single player and it hasn't come off. Lambert hasn't. He has taken punts, some work and some don't or haven't yet. So none for me ta
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Yes let's find another way to slag off our Manager. Great.
ok let's praise him?
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Why not? He's OUR manager.
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"Booooooooo". "Spend some facking money". I love you Tony Moon!
http://vimeo.com/72561509
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Luna, utter rubbish. I can see something with tonev he just hasn't adjusted to the Premier a League (yet).
That's what I think as well mate. Although I am a glass half full guy. I wouldn't be able to construct a compelling argument as to why Tonev will come good though, he's done not much whenever he's played. Pissed me off at times shooting so much.
As for Luna, meh. Thankful for his goal away at Arsenal on the first day. Seeing him race away and seal the victory was fucking brilliant. The optimism that day 8).
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Luna, utter rubbish. I can see something with tonev he just hasn't adjusted to the Premier a League (yet).
That's what I think as well mate. Although I am a glass half full guy. I wouldn't be able to construct a compelling argument as to why Tonev will come good though, he's done not much whenever he's played. Pissed me off at times shooting so much.
As for Luna, meh. Thankful for his goal away at Arsenal on the first day. Seeing him race away and seal the victory was fucking brilliant. The optimism that day 8).
Culverhouse.
Tonev looks dire. Luna looks about the same. Hope they prove me wrong.
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Why not? He's OUR manager.
Who is taking us where?
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I'd have to say Helenius so far. Can't even make the bench. I still hold out some hope he'll make it but you have to wonder how bad he must look in training when you consider just how bad we've been, and he can't even get picked as sub.
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Why not? He's OUR manager.
Who is taking us where?
Ooh, are we playing twenty questions? Brilliant! My question: haven't you got anything better to do?
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Why not? He's OUR manager.
Who is taking us where?
Ooh, are we playing twenty questions? Brilliant! My question: haven't you got anything better to do?
What could be better than this?
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Why not? He's OUR manager.
Who is taking us where?
So let's get this right. You don't rate the manager. However, we just won 4-1 and instead of commenting on the victory, you choose to have a good discussion about how shite some of our players are? Strange choice.
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Guzan without a doubt. He was solely to blame for us going 0-1 down yesterday. If he'd have saved it, it would never have been a goal.
If he saved it the match might have ended 0-0.
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Can't we just save time and talk about the signings that are actually going to move us on?
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There aren't any. Lambert out!
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Case closed. Lock this bad boy!
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James Vaughan.
Crap Lambert signing, now at Huddlesfield.
Edit: Just checked and see he was born in Sutton so probably a Villa fan. If so, he's ace.
Hes a bluenose.
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James Vaughan.
Crap Lambert signing, now at Huddlesfield.
Edit: Just checked and see he was born in Sutton so probably a Villa fan. If so, he's ace.
I was nosing around a Norwich forum yesterday and a few of them were saying Norwich were nuts to sell him, and he's done really well since leaving.
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Tonev.
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Tonev.
At some point before the end of the season Tonev is going to connect right with one of his shots from another postcode with the goal of the season and earn us a famous three points. I reckon Old Trafford. And then we'll all love him.
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It strikes me a bit unfair to see Helenius mentioned here. He's barely had a chance, and when he did get a chance, he scored.
It's all very well arguing "yeah, but against a League One side". Correct, a League One side which beat us that day.
I have been pretty unimpressed with Tonev thus far, but really, for a player costing that little, in his first season, we need to cut him a little slack, surely?
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James Vaughan.
Crap Lambert signing, now at Huddlesfield.
Edit: Just checked and see he was born in Sutton so probably a Villa fan. If so, he's ace.
I was nosing around a Norwich forum yesterday and a few of them were saying Norwich were nuts to sell him, and he's done really well since leaving.
A BlueNose in Sutton? About as rare as a Villa home win. Oops!
Sorry, forgot we won yesterday. LAMBERT IN!!!
Taking about Norwich forums, I couldn't help but laugh that they refer to Legion's manager as the "Messiah".
Football, eh?
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James Vaughan.
Crap Lambert signing, now at Huddlesfield.
Edit: Just checked and see he was born in Sutton so probably a Villa fan. If so, he's ace.
I was nosing around a Norwich forum yesterday and a few of them were saying Norwich were nuts to sell him, and he's done really well since leaving.
A BlueNose in Sutton? About as rare as a Villa home win. Oops!
Sorry, forgot we won yesterday. LAMBERT IN!!!
Christ, Rudy, is it your time of month or something? What on earth are you on about? Lambert in? For pointing out something I read on a Norwich forum?
You've gone all emotional on us.
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Controversial but Bowery for me
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Tonev is useless, when I hear there is a decent player in there somewhere, yes like in his dreams.
One of the worst Villa players I have ever seen.
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Ahmadi. Always plays like he's got a broom stuck up his are.
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James Vaughan.
Crap Lambert signing, now at Huddlesfield.
Edit: Just checked and see he was born in Sutton so probably a Villa fan. If so, he's ace.
I was nosing around a Norwich forum yesterday and a few of them were saying Norwich were nuts to sell him, and he's done really well since leaving.
A BlueNose in Sutton? About as rare as a Villa home win. Oops!
Sorry, forgot we won yesterday. LAMBERT IN!!!
Christ, Rudy, is it your time of month or something? What on earth are you on about? Lambert in? For pointing out something I read on a Norwich forum?
You've gone all emotional on us.
Nonsense. I'm just gutted somebody I thought was a crap Lambert signing, who I then thought could be a Villa fan but turns out to be a Nose or do you only read responses to your posts?
As I've said before, there are many sticks to beat Lambert with but his transfers aren't one of them (except James Vaughan, obviously, the Bluenose bastard).
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Tonev is useless, when I hear there is a decent player in there somewhere, yes like in his dreams.
One of the worst Villa players I have ever seen.
He certainly is in the mix.
He may get better. I was a little worried that it was a 'heart' not head signing.
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Culverhouse. The players Lambert has signed who are not up to snuff are only players. You give them a few chances (or in the case of Helenius a scrap of a chance) and if they can't do what they are paid to do it's one of the Bs, the bench or the bomb squad. Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
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bugger....beat me to it Brian.
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Bowery probably, but Kozak for the sheer weighting of priorities in favour of Big Strikers, then coming into January and saying 'oh, I suppose we might need "what-I-call-number-tens", I've got a million left'. Anyway, we won well the other day, so it could be worse.
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I don't think Tonev has been given enough games to justify choosing him just yet. I'd go for Luna for a few reasons. Firstly, he is awful defender and has been disappointing offensively on top. Secondly, the left-back position was one of the major priorities in the summer and it was inexcusable that Lambert solution to it was another hopeful punt. Thirdly, I doubt he was even well scouted as I thought he was poor at Mallorca and his major faults were clearly evident, so I'm not sure what the manager saw in him.
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I think Culverhouse is definitely up there.
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Without looking at previous comments Culverhouse seemed the obvious choice. I see several agree with my thinking. But Lambert will not dispense with his services because unlike the players he probably sees Culverhouse as someone he can trust to agree with everything he says.
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Helenius.
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Helenius.
How can anyone cast an opinion on a lad that cost very little and has had virtually no game time?!
Luna has had plenty of opportunity to delight ... and has failed. He gets my vote as worst player signed.
I agree that the coach should be dumped as well, since so many games have demonstrated poor technique and tactics.
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Enid, the tea lady at BMH. Cannot make tea at all. She uses round tea bags instead of pyramid ones ffs.
She does do a decent sponge cake , so it's not all that bad and her Nescafe Instant is ok.
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Luna- Simply because he was bought as a first choice, where-as I suppose for Tonev you could say he wasn't intended to play week in, week out at this stage. Luna though is very poor.
Other than that, in terms of bizarre, slightly pointless signings there's been Dawkins (remember him? No?), Bowery and Grant (knackered after 5 minutes) Holt.
That said, kudos on Benteke, Bacuna, Bertrand and re-signing the Goose (all in particular for their value/timing).
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse bandwagon. He probably told Lambert to tell the fans to f*** off as well.
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Culverhouse. The players Lambert has signed who are not up to snuff are only players. You give them a few chances (or in the case of Helenius a scrap of a chance) and if they can't do what they are paid to do it's one of the Bs, the bench or the bomb squad. Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
This right here.
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse bandwagon. He probably told Lambert to tell the fans to f*** off as well.
To be fair though, if you're gonna be giving a Glaswegian a load of stick, at the very least he's gonna turn around and tell you to fuck off. At least he didn't go on a Pardew-esque nut rampage.
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Enid, the tea lady at BMH. Cannot make tea at all. She uses round tea bags instead of pyramid ones ffs.
She does do a decent sponge cake , so it's not all that bad and her Nescafe Instant is ok.
We won 4-1 at the weekend and all you can do is slag off the tea-lady. She's hardly been given a chance at all since they installed that vending machine. Also, she cost next to nothing and is a good influence in the dressing rooms.
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Tonev.
At some point before the end of the season Tonev is going to connect right with one of his shots from another postcode with the goal of the season and earn us a famous three points. I reckon Old Trafford. And then we'll all love him.
Especially after his Fast Show style Bulgarian/Brummie interview after the game.
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It strikes me a bit unfair to see Helenius mentioned here. He's barely had a chance, and when he did get a chance, he scored.
It's all very well arguing "yeah, but against a League One side". Correct, a League One side which beat us that day.
I have been pretty unimpressed with Tonev thus far, but really, for a player costing that little, in his first season, we need to cut him a little slack, surely?
Agree.
I think people are sometime too quick to judge players.
Last season I reckon at least half of the supporters would have got rid of Benteke before the turn of the year. Then he went on to be 2013 top European scorer.
Bennett: rough start, took a long time to adjust. Was begining to look pretty good come the end of last season, unfortunately, he got injured.
Luna: great start, got injured, has hit a rough patch.
Tonev: must have time to adjust.
Bacuna: okay start, hit a purple patch, hit a bad patch, and now is coming good again.
I could probably write a similar line for every player bar Guzan and Delph, who have both been outstanding.
We should cut these players some slack and cheer them through their bad times, as they need it a little bit more than the form players.
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Enid, the tea lady at BMH. Cannot make tea at all. She uses round tea bags instead of pyramid ones ffs.
She does do a decent sponge cake , so it's not all that bad and her Nescafe Instant is ok.
We won 4-1 at the weekend and all you can do is slag off the tea-lady. She's hardly been given a chance at all since they installed that vending machine. Also, she cost next to nothing and is a good influence in the dressing rooms.
Good point. Sorry Enid.Welcome to the squad. It's time for Holt's 5th pie of the day, get cooking my dear.
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Luna: great start, got injured, has hit a rough patch.
Does three games constitute a 'great start'? Because he has been pretty woeful ever since the Newcastle home game.
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I think anyone in their first season signed from abroad should be exempt from this thread, it is too early to judge them. Likewise anyone stepping up from lower league in their first season should be exempt as its hard to make the step up. Players go in and out of form so anyone who has had a good first season but is now struggling such as Lowton should be cut some slack id say, rememeber form is temporary, class is permanent. Also,anyone who hasnt had a fair crack in the side to build up some momentum due to non selection because of any of the above or sustained/build up of a few injuries should be exempt so that leaves er....erm...er.....I dont know, maybe Vlaar?
On a related subject, I think Vlaar could be on for our fans player of the year this year. Absolutely invaluable to us now.
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This and the "who would you show the door" thread are pretty similar.
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
How true it is, I've no idea but our players certainly give the impression they have no game plan most weeks. Like you Brian, I'm more than convinced there's a good team in there but for whatever reason the coaching or lack of it, is our greatest weakness. I'd love to see what a decent coach could do with this team but more importantly, to have a plan based around buying young talent needs a good coach and manager to develop them which is something we don't appear to have.
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I think anyone in their first season signed from abroad should be exempt from this thread, it is too early to judge them. Likewise anyone stepping up from lower league in their first season should be exempt as its hard to make the step up. Players go in and out of form so anyone who has had a good first season but is now struggling such as Lowton should be cut some slack id say, rememeber form is temporary, class is permanent. Also,anyone who hasnt had a fair crack in the side to build up some momentum due to non selection because of any of the above or sustained/build up of a few injuries should be exempt so that leaves er....erm...er.....I dont know, maybe Vlaar?
On a related subject, I think Vlaar could be on for our fans player of the year this year. Absolutely invaluable to us now.
Does your rule apply to people like Benteke or just the crap ones? I feel you're being far too kind to them. We can't keep players around because they might suddenly turn into an okay player in a few years.
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I think anyone in their first season signed from abroad should be exempt from this thread, it is too early to judge them. Likewise anyone stepping up from lower league in their first season should be exempt as its hard to make the step up. Players go in and out of form so anyone who has had a good first season but is now struggling such as Lowton should be cut some slack id say, rememeber form is temporary, class is permanent. Also,anyone who hasnt had a fair crack in the side to build up some momentum due to non selection because of any of the above or sustained/build up of a few injuries should be exempt so that leaves er....erm...er.....I dont know, maybe Vlaar?
On a related subject, I think Vlaar could be on for our fans player of the year this year. Absolutely invaluable to us now.
Does your rule apply to people like Benteke or just the crap ones? I feel you're being far too kind to them. We can't keep players around because they might suddenly turn into an okay player in a few years.
No? Well I'm glad we didn't apply that principle to Delph.
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Agree.
I think people are sometime too quick to judge players.
I definitely think we are sometimes. If they're an experienced player who have already played in this league, then maybe they don't deserve so much time, but the likes of Tonev, who is, what, 23 years old?
Moving to a country on his own, doesn't speak a word of the language, and isn't coming here as a crucial signing for the club, really, he's shown very little but give the bloke a chance.
I've moved to another country at almost that age myself and it's not easy adjusting - and having Lorna Languages on hand might help a bit but it's not a magic pill that makes everything easy.
I'd also flag up that Stiliyan Petrov, lest we forget, a far, far more experienced player than Tonev or Helenius, who already spoke the language perfectly, and came here from a British league so had more idea what to expect, had a brilliant first game at West Ham but was then at the very best mediocre for at least one entire season, possibly longer. Something we forget these days, and look how he turned out.
re his shooting from insane distances, I reckon the bloke is basically desperate to do well. It's not helping him, though, so it'd be nice to think the management team would have spotted that and worked on it with him
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I think anyone in their first season signed from abroad should be exempt from this thread, it is too early to judge them. Likewise anyone stepping up from lower league in their first season should be exempt as its hard to make the step up. Players go in and out of form so anyone who has had a good first season but is now struggling such as Lowton should be cut some slack id say, rememeber form is temporary, class is permanent. Also,anyone who hasnt had a fair crack in the side to build up some momentum due to non selection because of any of the above or sustained/build up of a few injuries should be exempt so that leaves er....erm...er.....I dont know, maybe Vlaar?
On a related subject, I think Vlaar could be on for our fans player of the year this year. Absolutely invaluable to us now.
Does your rule apply to people like Benteke or just the crap ones? I feel you're being far too kind to them. We can't keep players around because they might suddenly turn into an okay player in a few years.
Really, nobody is saying "in a few years", though, are they? We're talking about one season.
As said above, if that's not on, then we'd be in big trouble right now with no Guzan, Delph or Vlaar.
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Delph was injured for a while. We did the right thing keeping him around and now we're seeing the benefits. I hope we do the same with Gardner.
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
I remember when Lambert came, i looked on their forums and to be honest, it was Gary Karsa they were talking about like that - how he'd prepare pretty scientific reports on opponents, work on how to set the team up against them etc etc
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Delph was injured for a while. We did the right thing keeping him around and now we're seeing the benefits.
So what about the others, then? I imagine you'd have shipped Vlaar out last summer?
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From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
That doesn't really make sense though.
I think most people would accept that Lambert's three years at Norwich were a resounding success, relative to what his expectations would have been.
So we have the situation that Culverhouse is such a genius that even Lambert's bumbling around meaning that the players had no idea what to do STILL couldn't prevent consecutive promotions and comfortable Premier League survival.
Alternatively Lambert is such a genius that all he has to do is turn up and change all the carefully laid plans and that then leads to consecutive promotions and comfortable Premier League survival.
My guess is that neither of those things happened and they are just still hurting about Lambert and his team walking out on them.
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From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
That doesn't really make sense though.
I think most people would accept that Lambert's three years at Norwich were a resounding success, relative to what his expectations would have been.
So we have the situation that Culverhouse is such a genius that even Lambert's bumbling around meaning that the players had no idea what to do STILL couldn't prevent consecutive promotions and comfortable Premier League survival.
Alternatively Lambert is such a genius that all he has to do is turn up and change all the carefully laid plans and that then leads to consecutive promotions and comfortable Premier League survival.
My guess is that neither of those things happened and they are just still hurting about Lambert and his team walking out on them.
Sorry, Dave, I should have said there were occasions when it happened. Obviously it wasn't a regular thing, it was related to them putting in an unexpectedly shocking performance. I don't think it has anything with them having an axe to grind with Lambert, most refer to him as the 'Messiah'.
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Libor Kozak is the correct answer. Not the type of player we need and the reported figure was mental.
Grant Holt was an awful clueless signing even on loan.
Not sure what Lambert saw in a few of the duds but to be fair some of the bargain basement signings have worked out well - Westwood, Bacuna and Guzan in particular and if we cut Lowton this summer will still make money on him. On the whole he has done pretty well with the funds given to him, illogical signings like Kozak and Holt aside.
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Kozak can't have been that bad, he's scored 4 goals. How many games has he actually started? EDIT - 9.
The problem with the Kozak signing isn't the player himself, it is that we signed him rather than a higher quality midfielder, which is where we really needed to strengthen.
That doesn't make Kozak a bad player though.
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Kozak can't have been that bad, he's scored 4 goals. How many games has he actually started? EDIT - 9.
The problem with the Kozak signing isn't the player himself, it is that we signed him rather than a higher quality midfielder, which is where we really needed to strengthen.
That doesn't make Kozak a bad player though.
Agreed, he seems a decent finisher. But he needs wingers as he doesn't really move at all. Lambert doesn't like wingers so not sure where he thought he would fit in.
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I'm lost here. How can he be a decent finisher (borne out by his goals/starts ratio) and also the worst signing?
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Kozak can't have been that bad, he's scored 4 goals. How many games has he actually started? EDIT - 9.
The problem with the Kozak signing isn't the player himself, it is that we signed him rather than a higher quality midfielder, which is where we really needed to strengthen.
That doesn't make Kozak a bad player though.
Agreed, he seems a decent finisher. But he needs wingers as he doesn't really move at all. Lambert doesn't like wingers so not sure where he thought he would fit in.
I don't know why he thought we needed another striker at all, to be honest.
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I don't know why he thought we needed another striker at all, to be honest.
He clearly didn't believe he can play without a target-man in the team which would suggest severe tactical limitation on his part. You'd expect a tad more pragmatism from somebody on a limited budget.
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I'm lost here. How can he be a decent finisher (borne out by his goals/starts ratio) and also the worst signing?
Spent 7m on a player clearly unsuited to the preferred 4312/433 systems. Both systems need mobile forwards of which Kozak clearly isn't one. Both Helenius and even Holt look like they also are pulling sleds on the pitch so no idea why he brought them in either. Managers shouldn't just buy players that are good players, they need to be able to fit into the style of play. Moyes has been guilty of it at United too imo as I've no idea where Felliani and Mata will fit in when everyone is fit.
Should have spent the budget on a wide forward or an attacking midfielder instead.
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I'm lost here. How can he be a decent finisher (borne out by his goals/starts ratio) and also the worst signing?
Spent 7m on a player clearly unsuited to the preferred 4312/433 systems. Both systems need mobile forwards of which Kozak clearly isn't one. Both Helenius and even Holt look like they also are pulling sleds on the pitch so no idea why he brought them in either. Managers shouldn't just buy players that are good players, they need to be able to fit into the style of play. Moyes has been guilty of it at United too imo as I've no idea where Felliani and Mata will fit in when everyone is fit.
Should have spent the budget on a wide forward or an attacking midfielder instead.
1) He scores goals. 2) I fail to see how you can judge Helenius on what we've seen so far.
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I'm lost here. How can he be a decent finisher (borne out by his goals/starts ratio) and also the worst signing?
Spent 7m on a player clearly unsuited to the preferred 4312/433 systems. Both systems need mobile forwards of which Kozak clearly isn't one. Both Helenius and even Holt look like they also are pulling sleds on the pitch so no idea why he brought them in either. Managers shouldn't just buy players that are good players, they need to be able to fit into the style of play. Moyes has been guilty of it at United too imo as I've no idea where Felliani and Mata will fit in when everyone is fit.
Should have spent the budget on a wide forward or an attacking midfielder instead.
1) He scores goals. 2) I fail to see how you can judge Helenius on what we've seen so far.
Darren Bent scores goals, should have kept him if that was the only criteria for being a forward at the club.
Helenius is far too slow to be a worthwhile option. His pace won't improve no matter how many chances he gets. I'd give Tonev a lot better chance of being a success at the club than Helenius Im afraid.
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I'm lost here. How can he be a decent finisher (borne out by his goals/starts ratio) and also the worst signing?
Spent 7m on a player clearly unsuited to the preferred 4312/433 systems. Both systems need mobile forwards of which Kozak clearly isn't one. Both Helenius and even Holt look like they also are pulling sleds on the pitch so no idea why he brought them in either. Managers shouldn't just buy players that are good players, they need to be able to fit into the style of play. Moyes has been guilty of it at United too imo as I've no idea where Felliani and Mata will fit in when everyone is fit.
Should have spent the budget on a wide forward or an attacking midfielder instead.
1) He scores goals. 2) I fail to see how you can judge Helenius on what we've seen so far.
Darren Bent scores goals, should have kept him if that was the only criteria for being a forward at the club.
Helenius is far too slow to be a worthwhile option. His pace won't improve no matter how many chances he gets. I'd give Tonev a lot better chance of being a success at the club than Helenius Im afraid.
Let's see.
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Kozak can't have been that bad, he's scored 4 goals. How many games has he actually started? EDIT - 9.
The problem with the Kozak signing isn't the player himself, it is that we signed him rather than a higher quality midfielder, which is where we really needed to strengthen.
That doesn't make Kozak a bad player though.
Agreed, he seems a decent finisher. But he needs wingers as he doesn't really move at all. Lambert doesn't like wingers so not sure where he thought he would fit in.
I don't know why he thought we needed another striker at all, to be honest.
My take on it was we'd get Kozak up to speed with the English League so he'd be more ready to step into Benteke's shoes if and when Tekkers left.
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Kozak's looked a decent scorer to me, Helenius has barely had a change, but you can still see there's talent there, Luna's struggled of late yet has had some decent performances.
Tonev has looked appalling every time I've watched him. Low concentration, sloppy control, erratic shooting, poor work rate, awful decision making.
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I think anyone in their first season signed from abroad should be exempt from this thread, it is too early to judge them. Likewise anyone stepping up from lower league in their first season should be exempt as its hard to make the step up. Players go in and out of form so anyone who has had a good first season but is now struggling such as Lowton should be cut some slack id say, rememeber form is temporary, class is permanent. Also,anyone who hasnt had a fair crack in the side to build up some momentum due to non selection because of any of the above or sustained/build up of a few injuries should be exempt so that leaves er....erm...er.....I dont know, maybe Vlaar?
On a related subject, I think Vlaar could be on for our fans player of the year this year. Absolutely invaluable to us now.
Does your rule apply to people like Benteke or just the crap ones? I feel you're being far too kind to them. We can't keep players around because they might suddenly turn into an okay player in a few years.
Really, nobody is saying "in a few years", though, are they? We're talking about one season.
As said above, if that's not on, then we'd be in big trouble right now with no Guzan, Delph or Vlaar.
Thats the point though really isnt it? We can afford to keep them on because they cost very little and are all on low wages. Im not a Lambert sympathiser and think he is very limited. but these are the parameters he is working in (not worth getting into at the moment) and several of the players could develop into decent PL players with the right development programme. Re Benteke, he is the obvious benefit of this style of recruitment - there is always the chance you can unearth a gen that will more than cover the few that dont develop
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
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Kozak's looked a decent scorer to me, Helenius has barely had a change, but you can still see there's talent there, Luna's struggled of late yet has had some decent performances.
Tonev has looked appalling every time I've watched him. Low concentration, sloppy control, erratic shooting, poor work rate, awful decision making.
That sounds just about right to me.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
More Callaghan I reckon
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Luna and Bennett are both ok on the ball and going forward but awful defenders, so maybe LB is not their best position. You could see either of them doing a job as left midfielders maybe. Bowery shows he occasional decent touch but looks out of his depth and with Helenius I haven't seen enough to judge. But from what I've seen of Tonev he really has not offered anything apart from a lot of running around to no great effect and wild shooting that is more likely to endanger the upper Holte (or the Trinity) than the goal frame.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
Exactly , ormondroyd played a big part in our runners up season and was well worth the fee.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
Exactly , ormondroyd played a big part in our runners up season and was well worth the fee.
Agreed, nothing wrong with ormandroyd, gave it all every time in a villa shirt,
He was only very average but still made the most of what he had,
Anyone remember the WHL night match ?
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I like Kozak, but signing him looks like bad judgement when we're so lacking in attacking midfield. Looked like an indulgence, especially at the price.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
Exactly , ormondroyd played a big part in our runners up season and was well worth the fee.
Agreed, nothing wrong with ormandroyd, gave it all every time in a villa shirt,
He was only very average but still made the most of what he had,
Anyone remember the WHL night match ?
Was that the game he was nearly in tears ? If that is the game he could not do anything right, there was a throw in which he had turned to chase and it hit him on the back of the head , really felt for him. He was distraught and I think a player comforted him on the the way off at halftime ??
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My main memory of Ormondroyd is the home match against Everton, the 6-2, in which he played on the wing for one of the first times and absolutely tore them a new one.
I believe he was married to a copper, too </random_fact_from_interview_in_programme>
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Delph was injured for a while. We did the right thing keeping him around and now we're seeing the benefits.
So what about the others, then? I imagine you'd have shipped Vlaar out last summer?
No because Vlaar proved we need him in the team.
I would've got rid of people like Bennett and El Ahmadi. I still would actually.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
Exactly , ormondroyd played a big part in our runners up season and was well worth the fee.
Agreed, nothing wrong with ormandroyd, gave it all every time in a villa shirt,
He was only very average but still made the most of what he had,
Anyone remember the WHL night match ?
Was that the game he was nearly in tears ? If that is the game he could not do anything right, there was a throw in which he had turned to chase and it hit him on the back of the head , really felt for him. He was distraught and I think a player comforted him on the the way off at halftime ??
I thought John meant the 2-0 win there when it looked like we were going to piss the league. Then along came Wimbledon next game.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
Exactly , ormondroyd played a big part in our runners up season and was well worth the fee.
Agreed, nothing wrong with ormandroyd, gave it all every time in a villa shirt,
He was only very average but still made the most of what he had,
Anyone remember the WHL night match ?
Was that the game he was nearly in tears ? If that is the game he could not do anything right, there was a throw in which he had turned to chase and it hit him on the back of the head , really felt for him. He was distraught and I think a player comforted him on the the way off at halftime ??
I thought John meant the 2-0 win there when it looked like we were going to piss the league. Then along came Wimbledon next game.
I was not sure I just remember being at a game where he was having a mare and felt really bad for him
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I like Kozak, but signing him looks like bad judgement when we're so lacking in attacking midfield. Looked like an indulgence, especially at the price.
That's if you think it was an either or decision.
Too often we assume that we do not sign players because the manager didn't want to rather than them not being available or not agreeing to terms or choosing to go elsewhere.
You can only fully judge this process at the end.
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I like Kozak, but signing him looks like bad judgement when we're so lacking in attacking midfield. Looked like an indulgence, especially at the price.
That's if you think it was an either or decision.
Too often we assume that we do not sign players because the manager didn't want to rather than them not being available or not agreeing to terms or choosing to go elsewhere.
You can only fully judge this process at the end.
Correct, Kozak was a long term target who became available , the 'number 10' we wanted it seems wasn't available at that time.
Regarding Kozak - what I've seen so far suggests at £7m he will prove a good value for money signing.
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
Exactly , ormondroyd played a big part in our runners up season and was well worth the fee.
Agreed, nothing wrong with ormandroyd, gave it all every time in a villa shirt,
He was only very average but still made the most of what he had,
Anyone remember the WHL night match ?
Yes I do, didn't we go top of the league that night?
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Is Tonev the new Ian Ormondroyd?
A regular in a team that finishes runners-up? I hope so.
Exactly , ormondroyd played a big part in our runners up season and was well worth the fee.
Agreed, nothing wrong with ormandroyd, gave it all every time in a villa shirt,
He was only very average but still made the most of what he had,
Anyone remember the WHL night match ?
Yes I do, didn't we go top of the league that night?
Yep, he scored we went top, we were happy for a moment
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Tonev's still got time to turn into a good player, he's never really had enough of an extended run in the first team to find any form. Luna's the same really, he's shown he can play well and people forget he's only 22.
For me the worst signing's been Bowery, I don't think I've seen him have a good game, and considering the level he came from, I can't understand the reasoning for his signing.
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I like Kozak, but signing him looks like bad judgement when we're so lacking in attacking midfield. Looked like an indulgence, especially at the price.
That's if you think it was an either or decision.
Too often we assume that we do not sign players because the manager didn't want to rather than them not being available or not agreeing to terms or choosing to go elsewhere.
You can only fully judge this process at the end.
Correct, Kozak was a long term target who became available , the 'number 10' we wanted it seems wasn't available at that time.
Regarding Kozak - what I've seen so far suggests at £7m he will prove a good value for money signing.
I think Kozak will turn out to be an astute signing, at the time he was signed it looked like Benteke would be leaving.
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
I remember when Lambert came, i looked on their forums and to be honest, it was Gary Karsa they were talking about like that - how he'd prepare pretty scientific reports on opponents, work on how to set the team up against them etc etc
You're memory is playing tricks on you, Paulie. Karsa studies videos and prepares dossiers on the opposition then hands them over to Lambert. He's basically (apart from being his brother-in-law) Lambert's PA, a bit like AVB was to Mourinho at Chelsea. I doubt very much he's involved in anything regarding tactics or how we set up. That responsibility lies with Lambert and Culverhouse. Karsa may assist Culverhouse in training sessions but it's not his main role.
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He's his brother-in-law?
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Yup.
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I never knew that. It's not what you know, it's who you know. Jobs for the boys?
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I've no idea, Legion. Karsa isn't without his own qualifications and experience. Lambert has worked with him since Wycombe I think, so obviously trusts him.
As Lambert described his back room set up: “I just think our thinking is not too dissimilar. Ian does brilliantly on the coaching side and Gary has done brilliantly on the other side.”
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Got to be Tonev for me!
how long have you got.
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I thought Paul Lambert was divorced. Has he re-married?
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I thought Paul Lambert was divorced. Has he re-married?
I don't know his intricate family details, but surely Karsa being married to Lambert's sister would also make him his brother-in-law?
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Yes, Dave, that dawned on me just as I pressed the "send" button.
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse out bandwagon . Shit coach, horrible person. Bomb squad him.
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse out bandwagon . Shit coach, horrible person.
Surely nobody has any idea of this apart from the players being coached by him? He could be dreadful, but unless you're reducing this to the completely simplistic "we're not great therefore a random coach who had a go at some supporters must be completely to blame", we don't really know one way or the other.
As has been said earlier in the thread, for all we know all the good stuff is Culverhouse and all the bad stuff is Lambert.
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I like Kozak, but signing him looks like bad judgement when we're so lacking in attacking midfield. Looked like an indulgence, especially at the price.
That's if you think it was an either or decision.
Too often we assume that we do not sign players because the manager didn't want to rather than them not being available or not agreeing to terms or choosing to go elsewhere.
You can only fully judge this process at the end.
This one has been done quite a lot, but the facts remain that a very large portion of our transfer budget was spent, over the odds, on a player in a position which was already relatively strong. I'd be surprised if by paying similarly over the odds, with the Kozak money in addition to whatever else was available, we couldn't have got the playmaker we've been lacking for years and years. It shows that Lambert will pay over the odds for one position and not for another, and a position we're already alright in to boot (pun intended).
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Why do you say 'over the odds' Monty? 6m doesn't buy very much these days.
However I agree that it would have been better spent elsewhere.
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I cant actually criticise any of his signings. Given the budget he has had to spend on players and transfer fees. A team built on that hovering around mid table is actually quite an achievement.
Even the players who I don't think are going to make it or maybe not good enough to sustain a future here, ie Bowery it's not as if they have cost us a great deal. Even Luna and Tonev where the jury is still out, the fees are so low its not a major problem.
I like Kozak and can't wait for him to be fit again. His goals have been good. People mention we had Bent but he dried up and his wages are massive.
If anything I'd be more worried about tactics more than his signings which have mainly been bloody good considering the costs.
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse out bandwagon . Shit coach, horrible person.
Surely nobody has any idea of this apart from the players being coached by him? He could be dreadful, but unless you're reducing this to the completely simplistic "we're not great therefore a random coach who had a go at some supporters must be completely to blame", we don't really know one way or the other.
As has been said earlier in the thread, for all we know all the good stuff is Culverhouse and all the bad stuff is Lambert.
You're not changing my mind
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse out bandwagon . Shit coach, horrible person.
Surely nobody has any idea of this apart from the players being coached by him? He could be dreadful, but unless you're reducing this to the completely simplistic "we're not great therefore a random coach who had a go at some supporters must be completely to blame", we don't really know one way or the other.
As has been said earlier in the thread, for all we know all the good stuff is Culverhouse and all the bad stuff is Lambert.
You're not changing my mind
No, you're quite right.
Things aren't great, so let's assume that it's the fault of random person X in spite of there being no real evidence for it. And that sacking them is going to be the solution to the problem.
Whatever gets you through the day.
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I'm not sure exactly how anybody can say with any certainty, or foundation for that matter, how good a coach Culverhouse is. Unless I've missed something?
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Why do you say 'over the odds' Monty? 6m doesn't buy very much these days.
However I agree that it would have been better spent elsewhere.
£6/7m bought us Benteke, and that's how we're going to have to spend money with our budget - or perhaps slightly less spectacularly than that, but certainly in the bargain world. Kozak is a perfectly good player in his own way but he's the sort of player we should be signing for £4m, if that makes sense, or perhaps spending £6/7m if he's in a really must-sign position. I actually like Kozak quite a lot, but it is a strange deal.
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse out bandwagon . Shit coach, horrible person.
Surely nobody has any idea of this apart from the players being coached by him? He could be dreadful, but unless you're reducing this to the completely simplistic "we're not great therefore a random coach who had a go at some supporters must be completely to blame", we don't really know one way or the other.
As has been said earlier in the thread, for all we know all the good stuff is Culverhouse and all the bad stuff is Lambert.
You're not changing my mind
No, you're quite right.
Things aren't great, so let's assume that it's the fault of random person X in spite of there being no real evidence for it. And that sacking them is going to be the solution to the problem.
Whatever gets you through the day.
O'Leary got slated for having a go at Villa fans. I don't see why Culverhouse should get away with it.
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My brother was sat very close to Culverhouse when he was gobbing off and wanted to smash his head in. He was also a bastard when Baker got his head-knock and was throwing up green. Him and Lambert kept trying to get him back on the pitch when it was pretty clear he was in distress.
Can't stand the ******.
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I'm jumping on the Culverhouse out bandwagon . Shit coach, horrible person.
Surely nobody has any idea of this apart from the players being coached by him? He could be dreadful, but unless you're reducing this to the completely simplistic "we're not great therefore a random coach who had a go at some supporters must be completely to blame", we don't really know one way or the other.
As has been said earlier in the thread, for all we know all the good stuff is Culverhouse and all the bad stuff is Lambert.
You're not changing my mind
No, you're quite right.
Things aren't great, so let's assume that it's the fault of random person X in spite of there being no real evidence for it. And that sacking them is going to be the solution to the problem.
Whatever gets you through the day.
O'Leary got slated for having a go at Villa fans. I don't see why Culverhouse should get away with it.
Quite possibly, but that doesn't have anything to do with good a coach he may or may not be.
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
How true it is, I've no idea but our players certainly give the impression they have no game plan most weeks. Like you Brian, I'm more than convinced there's a good team in there but for whatever reason the coaching or lack of it, is our greatest weakness. I'd love to see what a decent coach could do with this team but more importantly, to have a plan based around buying young talent needs a good coach and manager to develop them which is something we don't appear to have.
Maybe people on forums generally know fuck all about the inner-workings of the coaching set up?
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
How true it is, I've no idea but our players certainly give the impression they have no game plan most weeks. Like you Brian, I'm more than convinced there's a good team in there but for whatever reason the coaching or lack of it, is our greatest weakness. I'd love to see what a decent coach could do with this team but more importantly, to have a plan based around buying young talent needs a good coach and manager to develop them which is something we don't appear to have.
Maybe people on forums generally know fuck all about the inner-workings of the coaching set up?
I take it you're speaking for yourself?
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I absolutely am. What's your inside track?
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To start with, I listen.
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Well, read. A Norwich forum.
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Well, read. A Norwich forum.
Despite what many people thing, football supporters are not as stupid as some pretend us to be. Rewind to MON going to Sunderland. Oh, how we warned them, would they they listen? They didn't want to know. Then fast forward 12 months and they were a lot smarter than most of us on here. They found him out for what he is but don't think for a minute the seeds we plants weren't there from the beginning.
The same goes with Norwich. I, probably like others, were delighted to have Lambert as our new manager and wanted to hear what they had to say about him. Once you get past the "messiah" and "Judas" posts, you begin to tap away at the truth or at least informed opinions. There were numerous posts about the relationship and balance to the "Holy Trinity" (Lambert, Culverhouse and Karsa) and if you're patient enough to read through the shite, you occasionally get an interesting post or two that everybody tends to agree with.
It's tricky business, you have to be prepared to dig. Remember the posts from Belgium laughing at us for over paying for Benteke? Sometimes we don't have the volume to filter the quality but generally, like Paulie pointing out the negative football of McCleish from Noses he knows, you have to give it value even if it contradicts what you've seen in the highlights. Honestly, I put my hand up and admit, every time I saw the Rags play, I thought they were a decent footballing side and I couldn't understand his negativity.
Back on topic, and I'll keep it short. My guess is that something has changed between the managerial relationship between Lambert and Culverhouse. Norwich fans talk about the animated Culverhouse in the technical area, whilst playing orchestrated, purposeful, attacking and wonderfully entertaining football. The carrot crunchers still want him back to replace Houghton. Even today and they had 3 years of him. Then compare us, a team that looks like they met for the first time in the car park 40 minutes before the game. I love the effort but it reminds me of slaughtering my chickens. It makes me feel sad, even after a 4-1 victory.
I really wish I didn't care. I really wish I could walk away but sadly Aston Villa are family. You can get upset with them, scream at them, love them, hate them, not even speak to them but in the end, you just want to protect them and let them grow to be the club you always dreamed they would be. And bloody rightly so.
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Fair play to you. All love is to an extent a delusion.
I haven't got a fucking clue whether you're right or wrong.
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Fair play to you. All love is to an extent a delusion.
Love is nothing without exaggeration.
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
How true it is, I've no idea but our players certainly give the impression they have no game plan most weeks. Like you Brian, I'm more than convinced there's a good team in there but for whatever reason the coaching or lack of it, is our greatest weakness. I'd love to see what a decent coach could do with this team but more importantly, to have a plan based around buying young talent needs a good coach and manager to develop them which is something we don't appear to have.
Maybe people on forums generally know fuck all about the inner-workings of the coaching set up?
It's all about bibs and cones, everyone knows that
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
How true it is, I've no idea but our players certainly give the impression they have no game plan most weeks. Like you Brian, I'm more than convinced there's a good team in there but for whatever reason the coaching or lack of it, is our greatest weakness. I'd love to see what a decent coach could do with this team but more importantly, to have a plan based around buying young talent needs a good coach and manager to develop them which is something we don't appear to have.
Maybe people on forums generally know fuck all about the inner-workings of the coaching set up?
It's all about bibs and cones, everyone knows that
And jumpers for goalposts.
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With lots of shouting and pointing.
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Culverhouse is just as culpable as Lambert in the inadequacies of coaching the best out of the players we do have (Tonev - don't shoot from thirty yards out, Weimann - don't snatch a shooting opportunities, KEA -front up your opponent just like you did against Norwich, Bennett - don't roam in field, Baker - don't let one mistake blow your game to pieces, - Vlaar - you are the captain talk to the referee frequently but respectfully etc etc). As I have commented on other threads you can see there is a good team in there when we play like we did in the second quarter last Saturday. That ability has to be brought out and that is Lambert's job and equally the job of the team he was allowed to bring with him. You can carry a dud player or two, you can't carry a dud coach.
From what I've read on Norwich forums, they rate Culverhouse above Lambert and would have him back tomorrow. They credit him as the footballing brains behind the pair with Lambert best serving as the figurehead. There was a few stories of how Culverhouse would prepare the team during the week, tactics, formation, set pieces etc only for Lambert to come in on a Friday and change everything leaving the players clueless to what they're supposed to do.
How true it is, I've no idea but our players certainly give the impression they have no game plan most weeks. Like you Brian, I'm more than convinced there's a good team in there but for whatever reason the coaching or lack of it, is our greatest weakness. I'd love to see what a decent coach could do with this team but more importantly, to have a plan based around buying young talent needs a good coach and manager to develop them which is something we don't appear to have.
Maybe people on forums generally know fuck all about the inner-workings of the coaching set up?
It's all about bibs and cones, everyone knows that
Bibs and Cones?
I miss those guys.
That's why MON failed at Sunderland. He only had one of his backroom geniuses with him.
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Bibs and cones
Never underestimate Robertson and Walford
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Tonev is useless, when I hear there is a decent player in there somewhere, yes like in his dreams.
One of the worst Villa players I have ever seen.
Maybe he'll be better next season after a year to adjust. Still think he's got ability and certainly has pace to burn.
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That's why MON failed at Sunderland. He only had one of his backroom geniuses with him.
If I had a pound for every time I read how MON was failing at Sunderland because Robertson wasn't there I'd have at least 7 quid.
Poor sods.