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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on March 02, 2014, 08:16:57 PM
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Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 14m
Villa statement: The Club can confirm that due to personal reasons Chris Herd will be unavailable for selection until further notice. #avfc
Strange.
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Maybe a family bereavement?
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Just read on AVFC that Chris Herd will not be available due to personal reasons any news on that one ?
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Let the conspiracies begin
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Maybe a family bereavement?
Unlikely to rule him out for the next three months, though.
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I actually quite like Herd. He's even looked OK when filling in at CB.
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Maybe a family bereavement?
Unlikely to rule him out for the next three months, though.
How long was Luke Young out for because of his brother? And it says further notice rather than the season, which is what made me think of that.
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Strange announcement to leave it so vague like that. Disciplinary ??
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>:(
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Strange announcement to leave it so vague like that. Disciplinary ??
If it was he'd surely have been suspended. Sounds more like compassionate leave.
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Strange announcement to leave it so vague like that. Disciplinary ??
If it is something very personal, maybe he doesn't want it broadcast to the world?
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Whatever it is, I wish him all the best.
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The lad should never play for us again, he's a disgrace
Why?
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Strange announcement to leave it so vague like that. Disciplinary ??
If it was he'd surely have been suspended. Sounds more like compassionate leave.
Fair point, I wish him all the best .
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Also out of the Australia game with this in an Aussie paper
"“We have been made aware that Chris will be unavailable for selection at club level until further notice as he works through some personal issues and we will respect that and have replaced him in the squad for the Ecuador game,” Postecoglou said."
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He played a bit over xmas and then just disappeared from the 18 apparently due to injury.
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Let the conspiracies begin
Abducted by aliens ?
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Whatever it is must be fairly serious. Best of luck to the lad, hope it all works out and will look forward to seeing him back in the claret and blue.
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Possibly depression? Let's hope not. Whatever the reason, I wish him all the best.
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Whatever it is, I wish him all the best.
Yes, indeed.
Whatever is going on is likely to be unhappy. We've had Stan and there is plenty of mental illness about sadly. It could be anything. God bless him.
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I thought some kind of bereavement. Hope the lads ok
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All the best to the lad.
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Whatever it is, it must be a really big deal for him to be removed from selection for club and country. Hope it all works out for him.
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Whatever it is (and it's his personal business)I wish him well
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Best wishes to chris and I hope people respect his privacy .
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Fox Sports AU says:
Football Federation Australia insists, however, that this has nothing to do with the 24-year-old West Australian’s international allegiences. Herd, who has not yet played for Australia, is eligible to play for Scotland.
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Some talk he went walkabout / AWOL in Portugal last week ?? May just be BS though
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Some talk he went walkabout / AWOL in Portugal last week ?? May just be BS though
If so, let's keep it quiet and within the realms of libel.
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He's deleted his twitter too.
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Some talk he went walkabout / AWOL in Portugal last week ?? May just be BS though
If so, let's keep it quiet and within the realms of libel.
I did say it's more than likely Bullshit
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Has all the hallmarks of an illness. I wish him well and I wish him privacy.
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All the best.
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Good luck to him, hope it's nothing too bad.
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Betty Ford Clinic (?)
Hope it's nothing serious.
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I've always rated Herd and think he's been undervalued both on here and by successive managers.
Hope he's okay.
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It sounds to me that someone in his immediate family has a life threatening illness. If so I hope they recover full health in time. But none of us know of course so lets just wish Chris Herd well and hope that whatever is affecting him is resolved successfully as soon as possible.
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Ultimately it's none of my business but sometimes I wonder if giving a little more information may actually reduce the speculation.
Unless it he's done something stupid (i'm thinking drug related) then a simple 'family matter' or 'health issue' would greatly reduce the range of stuff which we can gossip about. Mud sticks and all that and if it's not justified then that's not fair.
...Not that we'd believe what the club says anyway but I think they could try and help Herd a little more here.
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Ultimately it's none of my business but sometimes I wonder if giving a little more information may actually reduce the speculation.
Unless it he's done something stupid (i'm thinking drug related) then a simple 'family matter' or 'health issue' would greatly reduce the range of stuff which we can gossip about. Mud sticks and all that and if it's not justified then that's not fair.
...Not that we'd believe what the club says anyway but I think they could try and help Herd a little more here.
Maybe people should just not speculate and leave him to his own privacy .
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It was a fight with Kozak someone told me, I don't believe it.
If it's illness, then I hope he recovers soon.
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It was a fight with Kozak someone told me, I don't believe it.
If it's illness, then I hope he recovers soon.
I don't buy the fight theory, if it was disciplinary I imagine they'd say so.
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It was a fight with Kozak someone told me, I don't believe it.
If it's illness, then I hope he recovers soon.
I don't buy the fight theory, if it was disciplinary I imagine they'd say so.
This, and Kozak's got more important things on his mind than getting into scraps. I think wild consipiracy theories will be doing the rounds unfortunately.
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May be bullshit:
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1907242
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May be bullshit:
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1907242
No 'may be' about it.
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Shame, I like him as a footballer. Always thought that if we could give him a sustained run in the centre of MF he could build up a bit of form and cement a place. Has never really happened for him here for whatever reason.
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From what I have been told it's not down to anything entirely specific. He's just got something not entirely right in his head. Hope he gets the help he needs.
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From what I have been told it's not down to anything entirely specific. He's just got something not entirely right in his head. Hope he gets the help he needs.
Sounds like the club are doing the right thing then and a more progressive approach than the Gregory days.
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Some talk he went walkabout / AWOL in Portugal last week ?? May just be BS though
I have heard the same story
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Some talk he went walkabout / AWOL in Portugal last week ?? May just be BS though
I have heard the same story
So have I now.
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The Portugal thing is true. He's been drinking heavily and has some demons too apparently. I wish him all the best and hope he gets better soon.
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All the best Chrissy Herd whatever your problems are.
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That Bent thing was doing the rounds last season.
Herd might be limited but he's no worse than a few of our other midfield options and he always gives his best when he plays for us so I wish him all the best and a speedy recovery from whatever horrible illness he probably has.
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On another matter, is he out of contract this season?
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2015 I think. I'm sure he signed a new one when McLeish was in charge.
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Can't believe folk have nothing better to do than speculate on what may or may not be this person's issue(s). Pathetic.
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I like Herd, always gives his best. Wishing all the best whatever problems he may have.
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Whatever the reason for his absence, let the man be whilst he sorts himself out.
Speculation & out right bullshit should be left to the gutter press.
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Yes. I hate threads like this.
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Bent got married in the summer so I doubt there is any truth in it
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Hope whatever it is it get sorted soon and isn't too serious.
Speculation not helpful at all.
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Any news on Chris Herd? - it's been well over 6 weeks since the club announced he wouldn't be available for a while. We could do with Chris back to help out in this relegation scrap.
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Any news on Chris Herd? - it's been well over 6 weeks since the club announced he wouldn't be available for a while. We could do with Chris back to help out in this relegation scrap.
I think they said he wouldnt play again for the forseeable future, personal issues I believe.
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The vague statement from the club only lends itself to speculation about what's up with Herd.
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After Randy name dropped a few players yesterday I was surprised to see him show no support Chris, or at least he could have mentioned him.
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Is his contract up in May? Will miss his floppy fringe and that goal at Anfield was killa.
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I thought he had another year to run? He's 25 now so needs to be playing somewhere.
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I thought he had another year to run? He's 25 now so needs to be playing somewhere.
He's shit, so hopefully it wont be at the Villa.
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Charming.
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I thought he had another year to run? He's 25 now so needs to be playing somewhere.
He's shit, so hopefully it wont be at the Villa.
He's not shit but I don't think he's premiership quality either and he's definitely not a centre half.
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I thought he had another year to run? He's 25 now so needs to be playing somewhere.
He's shit, so hopefully it wont be at the Villa.
He's not shit but I don't think he's premiership quality either and he's definitely not a centre half.
Saw him as a decent right back myself.
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Didn't he only play about 2/3 games at right back ?
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Herd may not be a Premier League starter but his ability to cover multiple position makes him an ideal substitute.
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Herd may not be a Premier League starter but his ability to cover multiple position makes him an ideal substitute.
Yep, a decent PL squad player, or a Championship starter.
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Good luck to the lad, but no way is he prem quality
Remember his performce at CH against Fulham away. Shocking
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Good luck to the lad, but no way is he prem quality
Remember his performce at CH against Fulham away. Shocking
In fairness they all were that day.
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Remnds me of Craig Gardner
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Remnds me of Craig Gardner
Gardner is a two trick pony, free kicks and a decent shot from the outside of the area. Herd is a no trick donkey. He would be a squad player even for the dross we have now. If we are to get any better the first teamers need to become squad players and the squad players need to get on their bikes.
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Remnds me of Craig Gardner
Gardner is a two trick pony, free kicks and a decent shot from the outside of the area. Herd is a no trick donkey. He would be a squad player even for the dross we have now. If we are to get any better the first teamers need to become squad players and the squad players need to get on their bikes.
Agree, although Herd has nicer hair!
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Herd is limited but he's always given his best when playing and will I'm sure have a decent championship career like Lichaj has had at Forest.
Hope he's doing o.k with whatever issues he has currently.
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We have lots of players who are good enough to be in our squad at this stage in our development and play a handful of games each season. Herd is one of them. Unfortunately these players are also first team regulars at this time. See Weimann, Clark, El Ahmedi etc. That's our problem. A serious shortage of quality in our first team means these players are called upon too frequently.
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Herd is limited but he's always given his best when playing and will I'm sure have a decent championship career like Lichaj has had at Forest.
Hope he's doing o.k with whatever issues he has currently.
I actually thought he even did OK when called on to play at CB a few times.
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I quite like Chris Herd as a player. There, i've said it. It's like a weight off my shoulders. I'm PWS, and I quite like Chris Herd.
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He likes a good foul. I enjoy watching players who have a gift for fouling.
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What I always found bizarre was when the marketing department used Chris Herd as one of the players to model last season's away kit. It was like using Isiah Osborne.
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I quite like Chris Herd as a player. There, i've said it. It's like a weight off my shoulders. I'm PWS, and I quite like Chris Herd.
Me too, but then I liked Gareth Williams, Steve Froggatt, Ricardo Scimeca, David Norton, Alan Lee, etc. so it shows what I know.
I didn't like Gareth Farrelly, he was pish.
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He likes a good foul. I enjoy watching players who have a gift for fouling.
You must be in constant bliss with Nathan Baker then.
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Herd is limited but he's always given his best when playing and will I'm sure have a decent championship career like Lichaj has had at Forest.
Hope he's doing o.k with whatever issues he has currently.
He met a girl on the training camp and told his girlfriend, family and the club he wasn't coming back. He's a lovely lad, but doesn't need any best wishes, I am sure he is doing fine.
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He likes a good foul. I enjoy watching players who have a gift for fouling.
You must be in constant bliss with Nathan Baker then.
Not sure Damon meant the pavement. Though I stand to be corrected.
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Herd is limited but he's always given his best when playing and will I'm sure have a decent championship career like Lichaj has had at Forest.
Hope he's doing o.k with whatever issues he has currently.
He met a girl on the training camp and told his girlfriend, family and the club he wasn't coming back. He's a lovely lad, but doesn't need any best wishes, I am sure he is doing fine.
This is nice. Can't beat happiness.
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Herd is limited but he's always given his best when playing and will I'm sure have a decent championship career like Lichaj has had at Forest.
Hope he's doing o.k with whatever issues he has currently.
He met a girl on the training camp and told his girlfriend, family and the club he wasn't coming back. He's a lovely lad, but doesn't need any best wishes, I am sure he is doing fine.
This is nice. Can't beat happiness.
I doubt this is true. Just another ITK merchant....who doesn't know anything!
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Not the way I was informed what is happening to Chris Herd. He has my best wishes.
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Herd is limited but he's always given his best when playing and will I'm sure have a decent championship career like Lichaj has had at Forest.
Hope he's doing o.k with whatever issues he has currently.
He met a girl on the training camp and told his girlfriend, family and the club he wasn't coming back. He's a lovely lad, but doesn't need any best wishes, I am sure he is doing fine.
To be honest, I'm sure we've all thought about giving Villa Park a wide birth at times. Best of luck to him.
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Was told weeks ago by a reliable source .He was in the tony adams clinic
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Does he drive a white Porsche with CH number plate, if so it was in the club car park today
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To be honest, I'd rather have him in the starting eleven at the moment over half the team that are.
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Does he drive a white Porsche with CH number plate, if so it was in the club car park today
I think that's Chico Hamilton's.
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That was the car Charles Hawtrey drove when he played Paul Lambert in The Shirt Locker. See threads passim.
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what in 'Carry on Paul'?
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I always forget that he's at the club until I see his name in the starting XI. Then I wonder who is injured.
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When is his contract up?
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next summer I believe.
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He wasn't officially in the bomb squad but I wonder if he will come back. Imagine a midfield with Herd, Gardner and Delph all on form! We wouldn't be lightweight anymore! Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel or maybe it's my eyesight!
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Get shot of him and give his wage to Albrighton.
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Not a premier league footballer. I wish him all the best but I can't see him wearing a Villa shirt again
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Not a premier league footballer. I wish him all the best but I can't see him wearing a Villa shirt again
He was actually one of the few to emerge from TSM's influence with any credit. I thought he had a good season under aforementioned so-called manager - as a midfielder and occasional fullback, not as a centre back.
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Hasn't he got a disciplinary, or internal investigation coming up?
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Re-signed for another year, apparently.
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Jesus wept
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Not sure what to think.
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Sorry, I meant to say, still here for next season, rather than signed for another year. Not on the released list.
He's a useful player to have, so if his head's in the right place, it is a bit of a no brainer if we assume we're not going to be setting the transfer market alight this summer
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
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Not sure what to think.
If it's any consolation, it's probably houllier's fault.
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
He has let us down though. He's a paid professional of this club, raking in a lot of money and he was in no condition to perform.
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
i don't mean to single you out here, but where is the difference between Herd (poor lad) & Dunne (fat pissed up bastard) both paid huge sums to be professional and fit for the job they do. Considering Dunne was a better player for us than herd will ever be, I don't get the logic in the general views on this site.
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Well we know that Dunne was a fat pissed up bastard. We've no idea why Herd is out and it is unfair to make judgements while attempts to explain his absence are based on pure speculation.
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just remember this kid has had to sacrifice the opportunity to go to the world cup, to deal with his problems.
pipe down.
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
He has let us down though. He's a paid professional of this club, raking in a lot of money and he was in no condition to perform.
If he let the club down he'd have been released. Given that he hasn't one can only assume what happened was personal and club have sympathized with him and his situation.
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can't believe he's 25. Not a youngster any more.
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I thought he'd gone to dwell with the Shumanites. What league do they play in ? Think I'll go and watch them next season.
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He always seems a solid player to me, who is flexible and a decent worker, just a shame he is a bit of a hot head. As a squad player who may still improve I say keep him.
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
He has let us down though. He's a paid professional of this club, raking in a lot of money and he was in no condition to perform.
If he let the club down he'd have been released. Given that he hasn't one can only assume what happened was personal and club have sympathized with him and his situation.
Hopefully he will be released and that's another Ł10k or whatever a week wiped from our books. Sick of having to support losers who couldn't give a flying fuck about the club but expect sympathy and patience at the drop of a hat. Bollocks to him.
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
He has let us down though. He's a paid professional of this club, raking in a lot of money and he was in no condition to perform.
If he let the club down he'd have been released. Given that he hasn't one can only assume what happened was personal and club have sympathized with him and his situation.
Hopefully he will be released and that's another Ł10k or whatever a week wiped from our books. Sick of having to support losers who couldn't give a flying fuck about the club but expect sympathy and patience at the drop of a hat. Bollocks to him.
Saying "bollocks to him" when you've no idea why he's missing is pretty pathetic.
Would make sense to keep an open mind and find out the reason for his absence before acting as judge, jury and executioner.
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
He has let us down though. He's a paid professional of this club, raking in a lot of money and he was in no condition to perform.
If he let the club down he'd have been released. Given that he hasn't one can only assume what happened was personal and club have sympathized with him and his situation.
Hopefully he will be released and that's another Ł10k or whatever a week wiped from our books. Sick of having to support losers who couldn't give a flying fuck about the club but expect sympathy and patience at the drop of a hat. Bollocks to him.
Saying "bollocks to him" when you've no idea why he's missing is pretty pathetic.
Would make sense to keep an open mind and find out the reason for his absence before acting as judge, jury and executioner.
well said.
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He's never really let us down so as long as he has got his personal stuff in order then a reasonable player to have around.
He has let us down though. He's a paid professional of this club, raking in a lot of money and he was in no condition to perform.
If he let the club down he'd have been released. Given that he hasn't one can only assume what happened was personal and club have sympathized with him and his situation.
Hopefully he will be released and that's another Ł10k or whatever a week wiped from our books. Sick of having to support losers who couldn't give a flying fuck about the club but expect sympathy and patience at the drop of a hat. Bollocks to him.
I can't be arsed to get into this with you but I hope you don't jump to such quick judgement in other areas of your life.
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Yep if the club have given him an extension because he's struggling then that's great from the club.
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They haven't I don't think? Paulie meant he has one year remaining on his contract (anyway), not that we've added on an extra year.
I think?
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Told this morning got married last week .On honeymoon in hawai
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Ah ok.
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I thought it was that Bent nicked his mrs off him. He met a girl on training camp and jacked it all in to be with her and then marry her?
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Not what i was told this morning .Told the said person of the rumours .Thats was his reply
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I thought it was that Bent nicked his mrs off him. He met a girl on training camp and jacked it all in to be with her and then marry her?
I recall hearing that. If it is indeed true, then I hope to God we're not still paying him.
Whatever has happened, I think it would appear that Herd has played his last game for us. Stop his contract by mutual consent and then let him do as he pleases, be it continuing in football or not.
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I don't know the circumstances of his disappearance but I do know that there's a good player in there somewhere. If Lambert bothers to find out we may still see him in our squad as a defensive MF and FB cover.
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Great goal at Anfield and great hair. Mediocre utility player.
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We are not a charity. Add to it he's another in the line that aren't good enough, we will be better off when his contract runs down and if any one of the rumours are to be believed it should be cancelled.
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You want us to cancel a player's contract on the basis of a rumour on the internet? I hope you're willing to meet the club's legal costs when he takes us to a Tribunal.
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We are not a charity. Add to it he's another in the line that aren't good enough, we will be better off when his contract runs down and if any one of the rumours are to be believed it should be cancelled.
whatever
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Played in holding midfield he should be in the team. At centre half not for me.
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We are not a charity. Add to it he's another in the line that aren't good enough, we will be better off when his contract runs down and if any one of the rumours are to be believed it should be cancelled.
One of the rumours are that he's been suffering from depression. If you think that means he should sacked, you're not a very nice person.
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We are not a charity. Add to it he's another in the line that aren't good enough, we will be better off when his contract runs down and if any one of the rumours are to be believed it should be cancelled.
One of the rumours are that he's been suffering from depression. If you think that means he should sacked, you're not a very nice person.
It crossed my mind that he could have been bullied.
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Not sure what to think.
If it's any consolation, it's probably houllier's fault.
Essentially yes, that's what I was thinking too. Houllier handed him too much game time and a new contract probably. Another black mark on his tenure.
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We are not a charity.
You don't have to be "a charity" to act with some dignity. Should we have cancelled Petrov's contract a year early?
Put it this way: we've just sacked two members of staff. We couldn't afford to keep Marc Albrighton. If Herd had committed gross misconduct or pissed the club about, as you seem to have assumed on the basis of zero evidence, don't you think they'd have already got rid of him by now?
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Played in holding midfield he should be in the team. At centre half not for me.
This. If he was fit and mentally ready to play, he'd be in the side for me over KEA to be honest. I've seen Herd have more good games in the middle of the park than Karim. He was one of our few decent performers under McCleish. Herd holding, with Delph and Westwood given a bit more freedom could have made for a reasonable midfield.
But whatever the reason(s) it seems we've seen the last of him in a Villa shirt.
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We are not a charity.
You don't have to be "a charity" to act with some dignity. Should we have cancelled Petrov's contract a year early?
Put it this way: we've just sacked two members of staff. We couldn't afford to keep Marc Albrighton. If Herd had committed gross misconduct or pissed the club about, as you seem to have assumed on the basis of zero evidence, don't you think they'd have already got rid of him by now?
Indeed.
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What I find really horrible now is that because we are not doing that well as a club, every single thing is picked up on as being shit.
We have no idea what Chris Herd has gone through but for some people the fact he has been given a new contract is shit. And somehow a symptom of how far we have fallen or something.
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Dave forgive me for being really controversial but I just don't think he's very good. On that basis I wouldn't have given him a new contract. I care not a jot what he has been through but wish him all the best personally nonetheless.
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Just back to everything the club do is shit at the moment comments.
So far we've offered new contracts to two players who haven't been near the first team for the best part of a year. On the other hand they have let a player go who was arguably our best player for the last half a dozen or so games of last season. It might be considered that this is strange.
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Just back to everything the club do is shit at the moment comments.
So far we've offered new contracts to two players who haven't been near the first team for the best part of a year. On the other hand they have let a player go who was arguably our best player for the last half a dozen or so games of last season. It might be considered that this is strange.
.......or it might just be considered that the most visible one was offered a big contract elsewhere.
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He hasn't been given a new contract. He has a year left. He has issues the club are helping him through. Well done AVFC.
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Just back to everything the club do is shit at the moment comments.
So far we've offered new contracts to two players who haven't been near the first team for the best part of a year. On the other hand they have let a player go who was arguably our best player for the last half a dozen or so games of last season. It might be considered that this is strange.
.......or it might just be considered that the most visible one was offered a big contract elsewhere.
Or alternatively you could've got rid of a very injury prone players wages and another player who isn't very good and saved his wages to secure the services of the player you lost with an improved contract.
Now I'm not saying the player who left is the answer but he's a damn sight better than the two that have been kept based on evidence thus far.
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If Chris Herd hasn't done anything wrong and has a year left how do you get rid of him? Gary G will probably be on 5k a week.
Some fans need to realise it ain't Football Manager 2014 and harsh decisions are going to have to be made.
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Just back to everything the club do is shit at the moment comments.
So far we've offered new contracts to two players who haven't been near the first team for the best part of a year. On the other hand they have let a player go who was arguably our best player for the last half a dozen or so games of last season. It might be considered that this is strange.
.......or it might just be considered that the most visible one was offered a big contract elsewhere.
Or alternatively you could've got rid of a very injury prone players wages and another player who isn't very good and saved his wages to secure the services of the player you lost with an improved contract.
No, you couldn't have saved Herd's wages, because he's still contracted for another year. He would have had to be paid off which negates the point of saving money anyway.
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Don't want to start an 'ITK' but Chris Herd doesn't have depression.
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So what is it then?
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Am I the only one who doesn't actually want to know because its nothing to do with me.
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Might have know he,s married .I was told when they went away last year he was prescribed some tablets by the club and didnt go well with booze and he went awol
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Am I the only one who doesn't actually want to know because its nothing to do with me.
No, you're not. Right now the club is giving support to an employee; which, while it is a commendable course of action, is actually no more than you or I would have the right to expect from any decent employer.
Chris Herd's personal business is exactly that. His personal business. If it were a disciplinary issue I'm sure the club would have taken a different stance. So how about we just stop speculating about somebody else's private life?
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Am I the only one who doesn't actually want to know because its nothing to do with me.
No, you're not. Right now the club is giving support to an employee; which, while it is a commendable course of action, is actually no more than you or I would have the right to expect from any decent employer.
Chris Herd's personal business is exactly that. His personal business. If it were a disciplinary issue I'm sure the club would have taken a different stance. So how about we just stop speculating about somebody else's private life?
And I agree with you both. Even this thread should be locked, and only opened again, when he is back involved or moved on, or people should just stop talking about things they know nothing about, or at least just talk about him as a footballer.
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I think "Why has Herd been given a new contract?" has the potential to be the greatest misunderstanding since Barry didn't take that bloody penalty that you wags are always so fond of mentioning.
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Yep I must admit to being guilty as charge. During my Speckled Hen induced ramblings last evening I assumed quite wrongly he was out of contract.
I heard Barry was off the field being treated to some cake at the time.
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I'm in the not good enough category and ranks up there with Paul Kerr, Darren Bradley, Riccardo Scimeca, Michael Oakes, David Norton, Not the Steve Hunt Hunt in the not very good category and we'll forget that he actually played for us.
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Peter W, must be honest, I think Herd could be converted full time into a decent right back. Not a world beater by any means but better than Lowton or Hutton. I certainly don't think Herd will make it Villa in midfield.
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I've never understood why he hasn't been given a run at right back.
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I'm in the not good enough category and ranks up there with Paul Kerr, Darren Bradley, Riccardo Scimeca, Michael Oakes, David Norton, Not the Steve Hunt Hunt in the not very good category and we'll forget that he actually played for us.
I thought Steve Hunt was a great player. Problem was he was playing in the worst Villa team of the last 40 odd years.
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I'm in the not good enough category and ranks up there with Paul Kerr, Darren Bradley, Riccardo Scimeca, Michael Oakes, David Norton, Not the Steve Hunt Hunt in the not very good category and we'll forget that he actually played for us.
I thought Steve Hunt was a great player. Problem was he was playing in the worst Villa team of the last 40 odd years.
Steve Hunt and great should never be in the same sentence, unless that sentence goes on to compare Steve Hunt to a great player.
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I'm in the not good enough category and ranks up there with Paul Kerr, Darren Bradley, Riccardo Scimeca, Michael Oakes, David Norton, Not the Steve Hunt Hunt in the not very good category and we'll forget that he actually played for us.
I thought Steve Hunt was a great player. Problem was he was playing in the worst Villa team of the last 40 odd years.
Steve Hunt and great should never be in the same sentence, unless that sentence goes on to compare Steve Hunt to a great player.
I used to like Hunt he was a decent player. He couldn't wait to get back to the Villa which seriously pissed off the angry Villa hating Albion fans back on the day. Which was nice.
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I've never understood why he hasn't been given a run at right back.
It's simply because he's not good / mobile enough. Did you see his performance at right back vs Everton? He's a poor mans Ridgewell.
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I never rated Sciemca at all, amused me he seemed to win our young player of the year awards annually in the mid 90s as we didn't have any other young players coming through until Hendrie and Barry turned up.
Herd is a bit like Lichaj for me, o.k squad player who can come in for a game or two and look alright but you don't really want them starting 5 games in a row.
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I think that is harsh, was really impressed with Herd's far to infrequent starts, he knows how to tackle and man mark, and to be fair had to play in a number of positions in a team usually in trouble. Id have no problem with him starting 5 games in a row, he would work well in protecting a struggling back four, and puching up behind Delph and Westwood giving them some steel
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Herd would be useful as a squad player in a defensive midfield role.
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I've never understood why he hasn't been given a run at right back.
It's simply because he's not good / mobile enough. Did you see his performance at right back vs Everton? He's a poor mans Ridgewell.
Fucking hell man, that's harsh no-one deserves to be compared to him ;)
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Ridgewell is a better defender than Luna.
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I never rated Sciemca at all, amused me he seemed to win our young player of the year awards annually in the mid 90s as we didn't have any other young players coming through until Hendrie and Barry turned up.
I remember Scimica having to play up front in UEFA cup games because Villa didn't have an eligible strikers for some reason.
Can anyone remember the details ?
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Wasn't it that game against Stromgodset when we were 2-0 down and came back to win 3-2 - Vassell got the winner?
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I never rated Sciemca at all, amused me he seemed to win our young player of the year awards annually in the mid 90s as we didn't have any other young players coming through until Hendrie and Barry turned up.
I remember Scimica having to play up front in UEFA cup games because Villa didn't have an eligible strikers for some reason.
Can anyone remember the details ?
1998-99 - we sold Yorke and hurried the deal through so he could be eligible for the Champions League.
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Peter W, must be honest, I think Herd could be converted full time into a decent right back. Not a world beater by any means but better than Lowton or Hutton. I certainly don't think Herd will make it Villa in midfield.
I think he's ideal for a fullback role, can cover midfield and isn't in any way, shape or form a centre half.
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I don't get what people see in Herd. He runs around a lot and kicks people. I see him as an unfortunate relic of the McLeish season. Wouldn't have got a contract under any other manager
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I've never understood why he hasn't been given a run at right back.
It's simply because he's not good / mobile enough. Did you see his performance at right back vs Everton? He's a poor mans Ridgewell.
His distribution isn't really good enough for him to be a top flight full back.
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He was piss-poor when he played at right-back for us, could maybe have been okay in defensive midfield, if only to add some bite.
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Wants to leave possible suitors qpr ,burnley and favourites derby
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I don't get what people see in Herd. He runs around a lot and kicks people. I see him as an unfortunate relic of the McLeish season. Wouldn't have got a contract under any other manager
Snap. His all round game simply isnt good enough.
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He was named man of the match against the Dogheads when playing at right back.
Not exactly piss-poor, then.
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I thought right back was his best position. He had that one good game there against Wolves and never really pkayed there again. I think he once scored a hat trick for the reserves from right back in a 10-1 win against Arsenal.
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I don't get what people see in Herd. He runs around a lot and kicks people. I see him as an unfortunate relic of the McLeish season. Wouldn't have got a contract under any other manager
Snap. His all round game simply isnt good enough.
I'd have to disagree. As a defensive MF he has a great all-round game.
I think he's been hard-done-by in the Lambert years.
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Yeah it might be my recollections being tinted by time but I thought he looked alright in defensive midfield.
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Always liked him. Hope he stays.
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Always liked him. Hope he stays.
Me too.
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I don't get what people see in Herd. He runs around a lot and kicks people. I see him as an unfortunate relic of the McLeish season. Wouldn't have got a contract under any other manager
Snap. His all round game simply isnt good enough.
I'd have to disagree. As a defensive MF he has a great all-round game.
I think he's been hard-done-by in the Lambert years.
NO NO NO NO NO!!!
he just runs around into complete blind alleys and gives the ball away all the time
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I keep saying this because I think I must be the only person to have this opinion, but I thought he did very well when stuck in at centre half for us.
I'd genuinely have him there ahead of either Clark or Baker.
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This is the classic out of sight out of mind , player becomes better when not seen scenario.
He's a mid-table championship player at best.
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This is the classic out of sight out of mind , player becomes better when not seen scenario.
He's a mid-table championship player at best.
Or maybe just think he's a useful player to have around?
Given our current paucity of options, and his versatility, he's one I'd like to see us keep.
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I wonder how Roy Keane will handle the Herd situation?
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I keep saying this because I think I must be the only person to have this opinion, but I thought he did very well when stuck in at centre half for us.
I'd genuinely have him there ahead of either Clark or Baker.
Yes I am in the think he is a decent player and definitely no worse than Clark and Baker.
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I'm not sure. If I'm honest I'd file him alongside - Hogg, Bannan, Lichaj, etc.
Basically nowhere near good enough.
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He is utterly dreadful. I don't even know what his best position is because he is equally inept wherever he plays
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I'm not sure. If I'm honest I'd file him alongside - Hogg, Bannan, Lichaj, etc.
Basically nowhere near good enough.
Correct, I doubt we'll see him near the first team again.
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He is utterly dreadful. I don't even know what his best position is because he is equally inept wherever he plays
I would genuinely rather keep him and treat him as a third choice centre back than sign Senderos.
I really mean that, too.
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He is utterly dreadful. I don't even know what his best position is because he is equally inept wherever he plays
From what I've seen, right back.
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I keep saying this because I think I must be the only person to have this opinion, but I thought he did very well when stuck in at centre half for us.
I'd genuinely have him there ahead of either Clark or Baker.
Jesus, no. Awful. He's no better than a mid-table championship team. the odd good game here and there means nothing.
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Chris Herd is a good player but has had far too many injuries and instead of being able to settle down into one position has been moved around as he has the ability to play several positions.
You can't lay any of the blame of how bad this squad is at his door, this is Lerners fault.
If Herd has left then I have no doubt he will be picked up by another club and do well.
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I still don't get why Dunne is slagged off so much, but Chris Herd, a man who tried to kick the door through of a nightclub on broad street pissed up after a club awards dinner, and who went completely AWOL on a club training camp to go on a bender is to be sympathised with
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I've got no sympathy with Chris Herd. Wasting his talent, our money and a lot of peoples time.
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I still don't get why Dunne is slagged off so much, but Chris Herd, a man who tried to kick the door through of a nightclub on broad street pissed up after a club awards dinner, and who went completely AWOL on a club training camp to go on a bender is to be sympathised with
Because there's clearly something wrong with Herd, given how the club have reacted. It's not condoning Herd getting pissed and kicking a night club door if you think he's a decent player.
I don't remember Herd ever rocking up for pre season the size of a house, either.
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house? there must be principalities smaller than RD.
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But it's hard to get by
When your arse is the size
Of a small country
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I still don't get why Dunne is slagged off so much, but Chris Herd, a man who tried to kick the door through of a nightclub on broad street pissed up after a club awards dinner, and who went completely AWOL on a club training camp to go on a bender is to be sympathised with
My main issue with Dunne is when MON left it was players like him who really let the club down. Dunne especially should have been someone the young players were looking for support, trust and reliability. But he was overweight, looked lie he didn't care and caused trouble behind the scenes.
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Wouldn't be against Herd being let go on a free. Certainly shouldn't be in the first team squad come the start of the season, be it on loan or flunked out the door.
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Interesting article on Chris Herd on an Australian football website...
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2014/06/30/hungry-herd-gets-helping-hand
Turns out he's been back at Boydmoor for a few weeks training with his dad in a bit to step up his fitness before the preseason commences.
A succession of injuries and an in-house issue with the Villa hierarchy last season left the versatile Herd, 25, with just two first team appearances and with it all to prove to coach Paul Lambert - in what is shaping as a make-or-break season.
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"Willie Herd" wonder what you do at milking time?
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Can't see him getting many games for us.
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Interesting article on Chris Herd on an Australian football website...
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2014/06/30/hungry-herd-gets-helping-hand
Turns out he's been back at Boydmoor for a few weeks training with his dad in a bit to step up his fitness before the preseason commences.
A succession of injuries and an in-house issue with the Villa hierarchy last season left the versatile Herd, 25, with just two first team appearances and with it all to prove to coach Paul Lambert - in what is shaping as a make-or-break season.
That's very interesting reading.
Goes on to say it again:
"He obviously had an issue with the club last year but that has been sorted and he is looking forward, rather than back.
Sounds like this was possibly something Culverhouse / Karsa related.
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It does. Good luck to the lad, he should thank his lucky stars he has such a great father and a club willing to give him the chance. If we do see a much improved player next season, there'll be no complaints from me. The lad has the talent, he just needs to get focused, stay injury free and hopefully stick to just one position. Defensive midfield is still where I think he's best.
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Not a world beater by any means but a useful player to have in the squad. I agree with Philadelphia Freedom that it would be nice to see him settle on one position but it is also handy to have somebody like that who can fill in during games if we need to cover injuries or tactical switches.
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tactical switches.
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Tactical switches?
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You know...? Tactical...switches....?
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TACTICAL...SWITCHES...????
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That'll be Baker off and Clark on then...?
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"He obviously had an issue with the club last year but that has been sorted and he is looking forward, rather than back.
Sounds like this was possibly something Culverhouse / Karsa related.
This would make sense.
I've always rated Herd as a squad player, so I hope he's able to contribute next season.
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Me too, I think there are a fair number of players in our squad with less to offer than Herd, so I hope he gets his chance as well.
All this stuff really does make you wonder what the hell was going on at BMH last season.
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This club is a joke.
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As a midfielder, Herd gets in the side ahead of KEA or Sylla for me. I thought Herdy was one of the better players during McLeish's time. He'll always try and impose himself on a game too. I don't think he goes missing as much as some of the other players when he plays in mid.
I hope he has a good pre-season, and Lambert actually gives him a go in midfield. He's just a bit short for a CH and his positioning is all over the shop.
Herd as an anchor with Delph and Westwood ahead of him is an option.
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Too limited to be a regular first 11 player for me but he's decent squad cover and to come in for the odd game.
Pleased whatever was troubling him seems to have gone away.
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This club is a joke.
Yeah. Let's punch some fuckers. Now!
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This club is a joke.
Yeah. Let's punch some fuckers. Now!
I've got 3 fuckers in-mind.........
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This club is a joke.
Why? Because we support one of our players who seems to have had some problems. What do you propose a public flogging during half time?
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This club is a joke.
Why? Because we support one of our players who seems to have had some problems. What do you propose a public flogging during half time?
Don't give him ideas.
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What a brilliant World Cup this is turning into.
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Why, has Herd top scored for the 'roos?
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Herd as an anchor with Delph and Westwood ahead of him is an option.
nowhere near enough creativity, goals or attacking play in those 3.
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Herd as an anchor with Delph and Westwood ahead of him is an option.
nowhere near enough creativity, goals or attacking play in those 3.
Definitely not, but it's one of the better line ups we could currently put out.
We need to bring in 1-2 new midfielders who can go straight into the first 11.
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There's a good player in there somewhere. Right back would be good, solves the weakness we have in that position. Great in the air. I am pleased that Herd is back.
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As a midfielder, Herd gets in the side ahead of KEA or Sylla for me. I thought Herdy was one of the better players during McLeish's time. He'll always try and impose himself on a game too. I don't think he goes missing as much as some of the other players when he plays in mid.
I hope he has a good pre-season, and Lambert actually gives him a go in midfield. He's just a bit short for a CH and his positioning is all over the shop.
Herd as an anchor with Delph and Westwood ahead of him is an option.
NO NO NO NO
he's a complete headless chicken. The thought he's better than KEA? No way.
KEA played in all but one of our wins last season. Not really good enough but in the absence of better options he's been tactically crucial
Chris herd has had about two good games in his career. I just don't get it!!
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Nowhere near good enough but better than Sylla. Backup to the backups, until his contract ends next season.
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I would give him a run at right back too.
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When he played defensive midfield under TSM he played well and did loads of useful covering of the full backs. He read the game well.
He needs a run in the side in a settled position.
With a decent first eleven, Herd wouldn't make the first pick but could be useful in the squad.
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Right back or Midfield for me. He's not a centre half though.
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he enjoyed his years sabattical last season, lets hope that someone comes in and takes him off us.....he is poor
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He may as well revel in his 16 page popularity (or whatever page you have) as this is as good as it gets for him. Championship level at the very best.
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Liam Ridgewell is now and always has been twice the player Chris Herd has or will ever be.
And Liam Ridgewell isn't very good.
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Liam Ridgewell is now and always has been twice the player Chris Herd has or will ever be.
And Liam Ridgewell isn't very good.
Disagree entirely. Overall pretty impressed with Herd in his all too infrequent starts. Good player in there. Defensive midfielder we have been looking for
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Liam Ridgewell is now and always has been twice the player Chris Herd has or will ever be.
And Liam Ridgewell isn't very good.
Disagree entirely. Overall pretty impressed with Herd in his all too infrequent starts. Good player in there. Defensive midfielder we have been looking for
Defensive midfielder is his role. This would allow Delph to move further forward. Herd is also a threat at corners with his Aussie rules ability to get up making him better than most at attacking the ball. Ideally, we'd want Kea's ability on the ball with Herd's strength. We can't have that so in our predicament it is better to have Herd first.
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His form has not been consistent enough but if any of our players is going to improve under the no-prisoners-taken coaching of Roy Keane it will be Chris Herd.
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His form has not been consistent enough but if any of our players is going to improve under the no-prisoners-taken coaching of Roy Keane it will be Chris Herd.
I also hope that he'll a positive effect on Westwood's game, and help mould him into a bit more of a dominant figure in the middle.
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Liam Ridgewell is now and always has been twice the player Chris Herd has or will ever be.
And Liam Ridgewell isn't very good.
This is absolutely spot on. I dread seeing him on the teamsheet
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KEA is better for me.
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He has one good game and then gets gradually worse until he's dropped.
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He has one good game and then gets gradually worse until he's dropped.
This for me. I'm not saying Herds particularly good by any stretch of the imagination, but I felt he managed something close to a consistency in 11-12 that KEA could only dream of. Herd for me that season was close to our player of the year for me (I thought he was more consistent than Ireland), because of his desire and determination. He at least will put himself about and remind you he's playing, where-as Karim has a tendency to just disappear in games completely which was particularly galling those countless times we got overrun in midfield.
Though the major issue for me aside from anything else is that we most definitely need better players than Sylla, KEA, Herd and arguably even Westwood. The midfield is shambolic.
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I find it quite funny how in one thread (The World Cup one) there is a general bemoaning of the way we in this country champion 'passion' and 'grit' and 'determination' in our players, and how they will 'run all day' work hard for you, over technique and skill.
Yet here, in this thread, we are championing Chris Herd, who is such a limited footballer. He runs around a lot, puts himself about a bit, is 'athletic', but is that what we really want from a footballer playing for Villa?
KEA, who I think is slow, and I'm not really a fan of his, is much more of a footballer.
That's before you even get into Herd's off the field un-professionalism.
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*nnnnnghghhhh*
don't......mention..........how many f's..............you'd like to see in professionalism....................
fair point though.
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Changed :-)
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I find it quite funny how in one thread (The World Cup one) there is a general bemoaning of the way we in this country champion 'passion' and 'grit' and 'determination' in our players, and how they will 'run all day' work hard for you, over technique and skill.
Yet here, in this thread, we are championing Chris Herd, who is such a limited footballer. He runs around a lot, puts himself about a bit, is 'athletic', but is that what we really want from a footballer playing for Villa?
KEA, who I think is slow, and I'm not really a fan of his, is much more of a footballer.
That's before you even get into Herd's off the field un-professionalism.
I'm not sure England had half the grit and determination of sides like the US and Costa Rica...though otherwise fair point.
I don't think anyone is particularly championing Chris Herd, merely pointing out that in our current squad, for better or worse, he's still probably good enough to get in our starting 11. Though Karim is technically better, the fact he'll hide in games makes him more often a weakness than a strength. I would say we're also more lacking in an up and at them defensive midfielder than we are kind of tidy in the middle player like Karim, particularly as we have Westwood who can do that.
In terms of someone who can sit in midfield, throw in a tackle and perhaps cover fullbacks, we've only really got Herd or Sylla. Sylla's probably going and is bobbins any way.
There's no denying though that we need to make more signings. Though I'd have Herd in ahead of Karim, by no means do I think Herdy is good enough at this level.
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I always had Herd on a par with Lichaj, that is to say willing and combative but not quite good enough for the Premier League.
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I dont think Herd has ever had a fair crack at the first team. Hes always looked good when ive seen him. I will repeat my opinion I have voiced before...You could take most of the youngsters we have had though in the last 3-4years away from our distinctly average squad, give them the right coaching and experience at coming through in a team such as Southampton and they would flourish into much better players than they have here....
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I always had Herd on a par with Lichaj, that is to say willing and combative but not quite good enough for the Premier League.
As a right back I'd agree. However, Herd's ability to fill in at centre half and in midfield make him more valuable to the squad.
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I bet Roy Keane will be well pleased with the combative attributes of Chris Herd & will help utilise this asset for the benefit of the team. Chris Herd can be a big player for us & I have always believed that. Not quite sure where best to deploy him though because he is so versatile. We certainly need to toughen up in midfield though so why not play two holding midfield players namely Delph & Herd.
One thing is for certain, Herds versatility certainly gives you options at Right Back, Central Defence & Midfield.
It's gonna' be a big season for our club & I'm sure Chris will play his part.
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As a right back I'd agree. However, Herd's ability to fill in at centre half and in midfield make him more valuable to the squad.
That's a fair point. As is often the case with those versatile players the issue becomes 'what is his best position?' I suppose it's indicative of the conservatism of the English game that it generally needs to pigeonhole players into one role.
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It's been so long since he played I've practically forgotten what he does. Either way he's a solid enough squad filler that will come in a bad so a job when needed.
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I dont think Herd has ever had a fair crack at the first team. Hes always looked good when ive seen him. I will repeat my opinion I have voiced before...You could take most of the youngsters we have had though in the last 3-4years away from our distinctly average squad, give them the right coaching and experience at coming through in a team such as Southampton and they would flourish into much better players than they have here....
He played 20 times during the McLeish season.
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I dont think Herd has ever had a fair crack at the first team. Hes always looked good when ive seen him. I will repeat my opinion I have voiced before...You could take most of the youngsters we have had though in the last 3-4years away from our distinctly average squad, give them the right coaching and experience at coming through in a team such as Southampton and they would flourish into much better players than they have here....
He played 20 times during the McLeish season.
And he did okay too to be fair to him. I thought he was regularly one of our better players. That might not be saying much of course.
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I always had Herd on a par with Lichaj, that is to say willing and combative but not quite good enough for the Premier League.
There were times last season that I almost wished we had Lichaj back. I don't think he'd have done much worse than Lowton most games, Bacuna some games (defensively), and probably Luna most games.
I think in a few positions we've traded off "not quite good enough" for the Prem from our academy, with "way off" from lower leagues and cheap imports.
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It's been so long since he played I've practically forgotten what he does. Either way he's a solid enough squad filler that will come in a bad so a job when needed.
Same here. I remember he was quite good in the air but that's about it.
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It's been so long since he played I've practically forgotten what he does. Either way he's a solid enough squad filler that will come in a bad so a job when needed.
Same here. I remember he was quite good in the air but that's about it.
I meant not do a bad job when called upon. But he's nothing special. Hard worker that's about it from what I recall
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With our current financial restraints he's a decent squad player to have around, not least because of his versatility.
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Herd's ability to play centre-back? :o
I think he's really limited: for me, he makes the bench if we have 6-8 players out. He seems a willing trier, and I don't know what went on last season, but I haven't seen much from him at all to convince me he can thrive in the Premier League. His injury record is poor. He's 25 yrs old now too. Won't get much better as a player.
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Just let Keano get to work with Herd - he could teach Chris how to be "really" aggressive!
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Nah, play him at right back, let him get forward. Better defensively than Bacuna or Lowton, oh, and Hutton.
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For all the moaning about Herd at centre-back, he's only ever played there as last resort due to unbelievable injury lists.
It's not his fault, and he's never not going to put the effort in or shirk a challenge, unlike some others we've had in the squad who might otherwise have filled in.
The biggest worry for me with Herd is if he's going to be suffering from the same sort of brain / memory problems we're seeing recognised in the NFL. I don't think I've ever seen him complete 45 minutes without needing treatment for a head injury only to stand up a few minutes later, with all the grace of Frank Bruno after one of his Mike Tyson twattings .
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For all the moaning about Herd at centre-back, he's only ever played there as last resort due to unbelievable injury lists.
I dunno about that.
Nobody forced Lambert to experiment with three centre halves in that dreadful game at Craven Cottage last season.
In fact, I don't think he's ever played under Lambert as one of two centre-halves - so whenever he's been there, it's been tactical rather than defensive triage.
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With our current financial restraints he's a decent squad player to have around, not least because of his versatility.
To be honest, I don't really see the point of doing that with players like Herd. I'd rather we moved him on and gave the next academy product his chance.
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For all the moaning about Herd at centre-back, he's only ever played there as last resort due to unbelievable injury lists.
I dunno about that.
Nobody forced Lambert to experiment with three centre halves in that dreadful game at Craven Cottage last season.
In fact, I don't think he's ever played under Lambert as one of two centre-halves - so whenever he's been there, it's been tactical rather than defensive triage.
We played four at the back in that game.
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He was part of a 3 that was torn a new one at home against Wigan a couple of seasons back. That was on the back of a half decent performance against someone in the game or two before that. Show's how desparate we are that we are hoping that the likes of Chris Herd come good for us. He is simply not good enough but may be next season if we get relegated.
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For all the moaning about Herd at centre-back, he's only ever played there as last resort due to unbelievable injury lists.
It's not his fault, and he's never not going to put the effort in or shirk a challenge, unlike some others we've had in the squad who might otherwise have filled in.
The biggest worry for me with Herd is if he's going to be suffering from the same sort of brain / memory problems we're seeing recognised in the NFL. I don't think I've ever seen him complete 45 minutes without needing treatment for a head injury only to stand up a few minutes later, with all the grace of Frank Bruno after one of his Mike Tyson twattings .
Baker is worse for that surely?
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Herd has joined Wigan on loan.
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If only there was a thread called "Villa Player Loan Watch" stickied at the top of the page. *winky*
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I heard Merson at the weekend saying how absolutely dreadful Wigan are. I feel sorry for poor, Chris Herd. There's a half decent player in there, either at right back or defensive midfield. He never got a look in when he should have and now we don't need him, it's best he tries to get a few games under his belt and find a new club in the summer.
Good luck to him.
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If only there was a thread called "Villa Player Loan Watch" stickied at the top of the page. *winky*
Oh, thanks - I didn't see that :)
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With our current financial restraints he's a decent squad player to have around, not least because of his versatility.
If he's going to remain at the club going forward then he should be looking to challenge Bacuna and Lowton for the back up RB position. If he sees his future in any other position then he should be looking to move on really as he's now miles away from being first choice.
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I've said before that I like Herd. But he's 26 in a few months, he needs to be playing. Even including his loan spells he's only played 73 league games.
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I've always like Herd as well. The trouble is, was he a midfielder, was he a centre half or was he a full back.
I know that Barry was switched about between those early in his career and it turned out ok, but it couldn't have helped Chris not to have a set position.
Herd's finest hour at Villa was probably this
http://youtu.be/034F-LSYiBE
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His goal at Anfield was pretty important.
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If only there was a thread called "Villa Player Loan Watch" stickied at the top of the page. *winky*
To be fair to N'ZMAV, there's also a thread called "Chris Herd" which is hardly an inappropriate place to look for news about Chris Herd.
*winky*
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If only there was a thread called "Villa Player Loan Watch" stickied at the top of the page. *winky*
To be fair to N'ZMAV, there's also a thread called "Chris Herd" which is hardly an inappropriate place to look for news about Chris Herd.
*winky*
Which after 6 months of no posts on it was on page 25,678. While the other one is at the top of the first page *winky*
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I fear he will be found out now if he has to play at Wigan. The championship is an unforgiving league and with Herd's lack of game time he could get eaten alive.
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I saw a stat that says he scored 2 goals for Villa, the one at Anfield but what was the other?
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I saw a stat that says he scored 2 goals for Villa, the one at Anfield but what was the other?
Tranmere home in the LC.
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If the club were in a different situation he might have settled in as a decent squad player for us, but as it turns out, we've got far too many of his ilk (physical, hard-working, lacking in technical quality, prone to the occasional brain explosion) to have space for him.
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I fear he will be found out now if he has to play at Wigan. The championship is an unforgiving league and with Herd's lack of game time he could get eaten alive.
He played at Bolton and survived to live the tale.
He's average but always gave his best in his limited appearances for us so I wish him well particularly as he had the off the field issues last year.
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He will never play for Aston villa again.
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It's certainly unlikely - this loan takes him until the end of the season and then his contract is up.