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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on January 03, 2014, 09:29:41 AM
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...to Doug Ellis. 90 today.
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Indeed , best wishes Doug and may you have a great day .
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Happy Birthday Mr. Ellis.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
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One of the true legendary figures in the clubs history and still attending every match 46 years on.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Why bother posting?
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
What's the point of that?
Happy birthday Doug
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Poor taste .
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We can't refer to him as an octogenarian any more. He is now a nonagenarian.
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We can't refer to him as an octogenarian any more. He is now a nonagenarian.
True , there was a nice interview on AVTV with him last week at his home - really enjoyed it.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Poor taste .
Many of us wish him less and like to remind people. As for bad taste-he ain't died or anything.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Poor taste .
Many of us wish him less and like to remind people. As for bad taste-he ain't died or anything.
This is a happy birthday thread to a 90 yr old - not to drag up the past.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Poor taste .
Many of us wish him less and like to remind people. As for bad taste-he ain't died or anything.
Upgraded to very poor taste. What is the point of holding grudges? It doesn't change anything.
Happy birthday Doug.
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Happy birthday Doug.
Enjoy some fine wine.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Poor taste .
Many of us wish him less and like to remind people. As for bad taste-he ain't died or anything.
Innit!
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Happy birthday Doug.
And many more!
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Happy birthday Doug
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Happy Birthday Mr Ellis
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Many happy returns Doug Deadly.
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Happy Birthday Deadly Doug.....
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Happy birthday Doug, keep coming to the games.
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This is a happy birthday thread to a 90 yr old - not to drag up the past.
I look forward to your comments on 21 February, when cuddly old Robert Mugabe is also 90.
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Many Happy Returns Doug!
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That's a pretty big leap there, 1 of them is responsible for the deaths of a hell of a lot of people who it was his duty to protect, the other was a bit tight with the purse strings.
Happy Birthday Doug!
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This is a happy birthday thread to a 90 yr old - not to drag up the past.
I look forward to your comments on 21 February, when cuddly old Robert Mugabe is also 90.
Wrong analogy Dave...and we expect more of you as one of the more intelligent posters!
An apology would be nice.
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That's a pretty big leap there, 1 of them is responsible for the deaths of a hell of a lot of people who it was his duty to protect, the other was a bit tight with the purse strings.
Happy Birthday Doug!
No, the massive leap is to highlight one person's past and ignore another person's to suit.
And personally, I haven't commented about the person in the thread title.
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That's a pretty big leap there, 1 of them is responsible for the deaths of a hell of a lot of people who it was his duty to protect, the other was a bit tight with the purse strings.
Happy Birthday Doug!
No, the massive leap is to highlight one person's past and ignore another person's to suit.
And personally, I haven't commented about the person in the thread title.
Really it isn't, 1 person has a past that has caused genuine pain and suffering on millions of people in his country, the other pissed off a bunch of football fans by not spending a bit more money and by breaking up a European cup winning squad because he wasn't part of the achievement. You really can't compare them and by doing so you are commenting on the person in the thread title, even if not directly.
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I thought the past didn't matter a minute or so ago?
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Happy birthday Mr Ellis.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Poor taste .
Many of us wish him less and like to remind people. As for bad taste-he ain't died or anything.
Upgraded to very poor taste. What is the point of holding grudges? It doesn't change anything.
Happy birthday Doug.
Its not a grudge Liz-just not reforming history-there is a difference. Maybe Doug can become the new Mandela.
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Whilst I am not a fan of Herbert if you don't want to wish him the best on a milestone brithday then maybe it is better not to post on this thread at all.
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Personally, now he is not in charge any more I am entirely happy for him to live forever. Have a good one, Doug.
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Whilst I am not a fan of Herbert if you don't want to wish him the best on a milestone brithday then maybe it is better not to post on this thread at all.
Haven't you just broken your own golden rule?
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This is a happy birthday thread to a 90 yr old - not to drag up the past.
I look forward to your comments on 21 February, when cuddly old Robert Mugabe is also 90.
Similar to this, I had a bit of a set to with a colleague of mine who was suggesting those who attended 'Thatcher is Dead' parties were simply celebrating the death of an elderly lady, rather than the most prominent and politically divisive British political figure since the Second World War. It is done to suit an argument.
I'm not comparing Doug to Thatch, but the same mindset seems to be at work; they're old, lets forgive them for past misdeeds. Doug's name on this site was mud ten years ago, and anyone saying otherwise was rounded on pretty quickly.
History is a funny thing. Happy birthday, Doug.
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
Poor taste .
Many of us wish him less and like to remind people. As for bad taste-he ain't died or anything.
This is a happy birthday thread to a 90 yr old - not to drag up the past.
'Not to drag up the past' With Ellis in the title? You're hoping aren't you?
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Happy Birthday and thanks for destroying the Champions of Europe
This
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Happy birthday Doug.
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If people are getting offended at a comment on a Birthday thread, they should take a look at the celebrity death watch thread.
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Crikey.
Just a thought - surely when deciding how much the past matters, you need to take into account what actually happened in said past?
If you're talking about a dictatorial autocrat responsible for the deaths of many people (I'm talking about Mugabe rather than Thatcher, obviously), you're far less likely to ignore the past than you are if you're talking about someone who ran a football club?
You can't have a one-size-fits-all "forget the past" approach.
Bit of perspective needed, maybe?
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With a lot of 'disagreements' though, you often use an exaggerated example to make a point.
I fully understand what Dave Javu is saying, without literally believing he thinks we should forgive Ellis just as much as the lovable rogue Mugabe.
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My son just made me laugh.
"Doug Ellis is ninety today son".
"Alive ninety or dead ninety"?
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Wow did someone really just compare Doug Ellis to Robert Mugabe? I've seen some pretty stupid and rancid stuff posted on this site before but that's up there with the best of it. I suggest maybe that person reads up on exactly what Robert Mugabe has done in his life and some of the amazingly heinous crimes he has committed by torturing, murdering and starving his own people. Even to use the comparison as a gross example of logical equivalence regarding judging peoples pasts is misguided and puerile at best.
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Happy Birthday Doug.
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Whilst I am not a fan of Herbert if you don't want to wish him the best on a milestone brithday then maybe it is better not to post on this thread at all.
Haven't you just broken your own golden rule?
Nope - Happy Birthday Herbert.
Are you just spoiling for an arguement with anyone today?
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With a lot of 'disagreements' though, you often use an exaggerated example to make a point.
I fully understand what Dave Javu is saying, without literally believing he thinks we should forgive Ellis just as much as the lovable rogue Mugabe.
I don't think DJV is equating Mugabe with Ellis as a direct comparison, either. I just think it's so much of an exaggerated example, it has no bearing whatsoever on the person being discussed.
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Whilst I am not a fan of Herbert if you don't want to wish him the best on a milestone brithday then maybe it is better not to post on this thread at all.
Haven't you just broken your own golden rule?
Nope - Happy Birthday Herbert.
Are you just spoiling for an arguement with anyone today?
Argument.
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Those of you too mean spirited to wish the old boy a happy birthday would perhaps feel more at ease sending a message to Karren Brady congratulating her on her new year honour.
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Any chance I could out-source my future posts on this subject to the above poster?
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Let's see Villa score with a bicycle kick tomorrow in Doug's honour
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Let's see Villa score with a bicycle kick tomorrow in Doug's honour
Nice one! Happy Birthday, Doug!
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Happy birthday Doug. Some of us may moan but virtually 100% of my favourite Villa moments happened during his time as chairman. Happy days.
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Can i be excused the bumps party I dont think I could manage 90. This man signed up Tommy Docherty who in turn brought me and thousands to be Villa fans. I also managed to see Pele play at Villa park during the dark days of 3 day week and power cuts. Thank you Doug.
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This thread would have been much better with the title:
Happy Birthday Mr President (Emeritus).
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Personally, I blame Legion for starting the thread and eastie for telling us not to drag up the past.
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Personally, I blame Legion for starting the thread and eastie for telling us not to drag up the past.
Oh well, takes all sorts. Very dissapointing.
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Happy Birthday deadly.
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Personally, I blame Legion for starting the thread and eastie for telling us not to drag up the past.
I quite happen to like Doug , and yes he has made mistakes , if a thread was wishing happy birthday to someone i had no time for then I wouldn't bother posting on it .
If you wish to debate Doug good or bad then maybe I suggest you open such a thread .
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What an amazing idea!
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Happy birthday Mr. Ellis. 90 years of age is an incredible achievement. Raise yourself a glass Sir.
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Happy Birthday Mr Douglas Ellis OBE
The last Chairman of my club when we actually won something so you could not have been all that bad ;)
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Happy Birthday Mr Douglas Ellis OBE
That's Sir Douglas, ya cheeky whippersnapper. Services to charity, don't you know
Or is it Sir Herbert?
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Sir Herbert Douglas Ellis OBE
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Interesting video of interview with Nick Owen on BBC:
Aston Villa honorary president Sir Doug Ellis on his 90th (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-25587528)
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Happy Birthday, Sir Doug!
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Happy Birthday Sir Douglas Herbert....We wouldn't be the club we are today if it wasn't for you (;-)
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Didn't realise he was that old.
He donated the gym to Aston uni, and every time I leave there I'm greeted by a giant picture of his smiling face. Can't complaint about the Claret and Blue trim around the swimming pool!
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happy birthday sir doug may you have many more wish you were still runing the club
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Any one mention bulldozing The Trinity?
Sorry I cant forgive him for that.
I do hope he has a good Birthday and stays well though.
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@StrideSteve: Today at Sir Doug's 90th Birthday Lunch. http://t.co/7Y3jgdkEx1
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Was Carrott attending to tables?
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Sir Doug Ellis on milestone birthday.
Happy 90th birthday to president emeritus and former chairman Sir Doug Ellis today.
It might be argued that Sir Doug had an influence on Villa from the moment he first drew breath.
He was born in Cheshire on January 3, 1924 - and Villa went on to reach the FA Cup final that year.
But it was from the late 1960s that he really began to make a real impact at Villa Park.
Having made his fortune in the travel industry, he became Villa chairman in December 1968.
When he took over at the helm for the first time, Villa were on the edge of disaster, with a poor team in the old Second Division, falling attendances, heavy financial losses and a ground badly in need of repair.
His first tasks were to instigate a share issue which raised desperately needed finds and to bring in charismatic Tommy Docherty as manager, an appointment which generated tremendous interest in the club.
By the end of the following season, when Villa were relegated to Division Three for the first time in their history, Docherty had been sacked, although Ellis's next two appointments were considerably more successful.
Between them, Vic Crowe and his successor Ron Saunders guided Villa to two League Cup triumphs and eventually back to the top-flight.
Ellis resigned as chairman in September 1975 and four years later departed as a director.
But he returned in 1982 and remained chairman until 2006, when he sold the club to American Randy Lerner.
By the time he took up the honorary position of president emeritus, a total of 13 managers had served him, including Graham Taylor, who had two spells in charge.
Those managers achieved varying degrees of success. Villa were relegated under Billy McNeill in 1987 and nearly went down again when Jo Venglos was in charge for just one season in 1990-91.
But there were also triumphs, most notably promotion in 1988 and runners-up spot two years later under Taylor; runners-up spot in the inaugural Premier League of 1992-93 under Ron Atkinson, who also guided Villa to the League Cup in 1994; another League Cup final triumph under Brian Little two years later; and a run to the 2000 FA Cup final under John Gregory.
Ellis appointed Martin O'Neill before standing aside to make way for the club's new USA owner.
Ellis also had three years as a Birmingham City director from 1965, having failed to win a plae on the Villa board at the time, and had earlier been co-promoter of Birmingham Speedway.
His main sporting interest outside football has been salmon fishing, a sport which earned him the popular nickname, from former England striker Jimmy Greaves, of 'Deadly.'
A former member of the FA's international, finance and Charity Shield committee, as well as FIFA's media and television committee, Ellis was also the founder chairman of the technical control board at the FA and Football League. He was awarded the OBE in 2005 and a Knighthood in 2011.
Sir Doug said the key to a long life was "working hard at somewhere I loved" at Villa.
He said: "There's no substitute for hard work. And I did that somewhere I loved at Villa.
"I was on the board for 35 years of my life, with 31 as chairman. That's something I am very proud of.
"I gave it everything. I gave it my life to the detriment of many of my other businesses.
"But, yes, Villa has been my life. I love the club.
"Also, to have a wife like Heidi, who's been very supportive, has been very important too. We have been married for 50 years!"
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Happy birthday sir Doug I possibly slagged you a few times over the years but I reckon would randy Lerner have been interested in us if we would of been in mega debt which has happened to many teams chasing the holy grail.only you kept us on a even financial level which I see now was a good thing, telegram from the queen or king next
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A Very Happy Birthday to Doug for all his faults I don't think anyone can say he didn't Genuinly cared about the villa,
his only Crime was He did'nt spend money the club Had'nt Got
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Any one mention bulldozing The Trinity?
Sorry I cant forgive him for that.
For upgrading the stadium or for the manner in which he did it?
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With a lot of 'disagreements' though, you often use an exaggerated example to make a point.
I fully understand what Dave Javu is saying, without literally believing he thinks we should forgive Ellis just as much as the lovable rogue Mugabe.
I don't think DJV is equating Mugabe with Ellis as a direct comparison, either. I just think it's so much of an exaggerated example, it has no bearing whatsoever on the person being discussed.
That's fair enough paulie, I have no issue with him anyway, I nearly asked who he is.
Happy birthday Doug.
P.S. I know who he is.
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Saw him at Hull before the 0-0 this season. Like most games, he'd driven himself up there and was driving back after the game. Pretty incredible support from a multi millionaire 89 year old who loves the club as much as any of us.
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Saw him at Hull before the 0-0 this season. Like most games, he'd driven himself up there and was driving back after the game. Pretty incredible support from a multi millionaire 89 year old who loves the club as much as any of us.
He's certainly had a wider choice than most.
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That interview with Nick Owen was sad to watch. Good to see he's still motoring in though. Happy birthday Doug
Nick
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Many Happy Returns !
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Just watched his interview on AVTV. In true Doug style, he explained how much his house was worth, to a bemused Jack Woodward.
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Just watched his interview on AVTV. In true Doug style, he explained how much his house was worth, to a bemused Jack Woodward.
You have to love his obtuseness. Would make a great character in the fast show. "Football chairman" .
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He really doesn't understand why "the fans" disliked him does he?
Reminds me of a consultant psychiatrist I worked with who asked in a very serious tone "why don't patients thank us when we section them? We're doing it for their own good"
Thank goodness he was a travel agent not a porn baron (why is it a "baron")
Happy Birthday Sir Doug
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Happy Birthday Sir Doug
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He had his failing and made mistakes but in his last 15 years he was chairman of club that got us to an a fa cup final , 2 league cups wins and league runner up twice.
We are no where near achieving any of last in last 5 years , happy birthday Doug