Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on December 12, 2013, 10:53:07 AM
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Nice piece this -
Paul Brown chats to Dwight Yorke.
Dwight Yorke is adamant when asked about his feelings years after donning the claret and blue top: "This will always be MY club."
Yorke ranks among the greatest players in the club's history - and it is debatable if anyone has been more flamboyant.
Signed by Graham Taylor following a Villa trip to Trinidad and Tobago in 1989, Yorke developed into a world-class football who simply oozed talent and always played with a smile on his face.
Yorke says his beaming grin is evidence of the fun he had playing for Villa.
Of course, fans were in uproar when he moved to Man Utd in 1998.
He won a historic treble - League Championship, FA Cup and Champions League - in that first season with the Red Devils aswell as picking up player of the year and the top goalscorer gong with 18.
Despite this monumental haul of accolades, which continued in the years to come, Yorke still says Villa holds the most cherished place in his heart.
He said: "This is where it all started for me. I was here nearly nine years - that's pretty much half of my career.
"Villa is absolutely MY club - always has been and always will be.
"You can quote me on this - one day I will come back and manage the football club. That's how I feel. I have always believed that.
"My time at Villa got overshadowed in the eyes of some people because I went to Man Utd. But I know deep down this is MY club.
"It's the first result I check for. I am more of a Villa fan than a Man Utd fan, even though my association at Old Trafford is also great.
"Villa is very, very close to my heart.
"They were fantastic years in claret and blue. I played with great players and under great managers.
"I have so many great memories of my time at Villa Park. Of course, my biggest achievement was winning the League Cup in 1996 and scoring at Wembley. Things don't come much better than that!
"I just had the time of my life at Villa.
"I came from the Caribbean and, as everyone knows, it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me. And I knew I was joining a great club with a great tradition.
"People always talk about my smile. Why wouldn't I be smiling? How could I not be happy at such a great club?
"The fans were amazing with me at Villa. They believed in me. I had confidence in myself but they gave me even greater confidence.
"They helped me play with authority every time I went out. To have the crowd believing that I was going to do the business for them and score gave me great belief.
"We had a sensational bond. That was a feeling between us that no other player could appreciate.
"Of course, scoring at the Holte End was the absolute ultimate! It had real passion. They were always up for it. They got us through games. They won us some matches, definitely. When our backs were against the wall, they would scream us through.
"Playing in front of them and scoring in front of them was the best feeling. Ask any player! That's what they all want to do.
"And I played with some top, top players - McGrath, Platty, Cowans, Bozzie. They would all get into my dream team!
"Bozzie was special. He was a fabulous goalkeeper for us.
"McGrath was exceptional. Even to this day, I still drool about him. He'd top every list going.
"Sid had everything. He could use both feet, loved a tackle but had incredible vision on the park.
"He was an icon. I looked up to him. I watched the things he did, taking extra balls out after sessions and working really hard at his game. It inspired me. It was infectious."
Yorke, of course, sullied his name for many claret and blue supporters when he left for the Red Devils in a £12.6m deal in 1998.
John Gregory said if he ever saw Yorke again he's shoot him.
Yorke accepts and understands the fan fury but hopes time has healed the wounds which, at the time, seemed unmendable.
He added: "The relationship I had with the fans, the players and the managers was tremendous. There was enormous respect on both sides.
"It was very difficult for me to leave. But I needed a new challenge. I had done everything I could at Villa.
"But don't let anyone question my affection and affiliation with this football club and the fantastic fans.
"I love coming back now too. The respect I receive is amazing. The supporters are so warm and welcoming.
"I'd like to think, with the passing of time, that the anger has gone. I'd hope so.
"I remember the comment from Gregs at the time. He wasn't serious. Well, I hope not.
"John and I had a great relationship, a special relationship, going all the way back to the time when he was coach under Brian Little.
"He took a real interest in me as a player and was eager for me to develop and improve every day in training.
"Each day, he would fire balls at me to test my control and work me hard at Bodymoor.
"When he eventually became manager, I was delighted for him.
"I could understand his remark because he was angry with me. But I never looked over my shoulder!"
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen better.
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Everybody singing his name at Wembley as the trophy was paraded in 1996 must rate as one of my all time favourite Villa memories.
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Everybody singing his name at Wembley as the trophy was paraded in 1996 must rate as one of my all time favourite Villa memories.
Yes it was a great day but I found the 94 one even better .
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen many better.
Really, I reckon he's the most talented forward I've seen at the club and I can go back 35 years.
Superb player, just wished he'd left under better circumstances.
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That piece could be shortened to 'Gis' a job'
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen many better.
Really, I reckon he's the most talented forward I've seen at the club and I can go back 35 years.
Superb player, just wished he'd left under better circumstances.
Brian little was better for me , granted Yorkies one of the best in recent times but in villa's history is stretching it for me.
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Not bothered he went to manure , even thou I was gutted at the time.
The badge kiss made my blood boil .
I thought he was brilliant for us and loved him. Oh the memories
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Not bothered he went to manure , even thou I was gutted at the time.
The badge kiss made my blood boil .
I thought he was brilliant for us and loved him. Oh the memories
I don't blame him going to man utd but the way he went about getting the move was a bit low - literally begging in DOugs garden to be allowed to go and then putting in that 'display ' at goodison.
Some wonderful memories of his time here though .
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He dived for the free-kick, Beckham scored and then he ran over and kissed the badge. Wanker.
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Still love Yorke. Don't care that he left, footballers have a short career and have to do what's best for themselves and Yorke definitely made the right choice. Clubs treat players like pieces of meat, why is it wrong for players to leave if they have a better opportunity?
People will be pissed off but that's the reality. Yorke did what was best for his career.
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen many better.
Since I've been going (roughly 94/95), Dwight Yorke has been by far the best player at the club that I have seen.
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Great player. My love for him vanished that day at Everton, when he spat his dummy out and couldn't be arsed to play for the club he "loves".
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen many better.
Since I've been going (roughly 94/95), Dwight Yorke has been by far the best player at the club that I have seen.
Surely your not including mcgrath there who was by far the best I've seen in 36 years of watching villa.
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Absolutely loved him as a kid, especially before KO when he'd run the length of the pitch to the tunnel with the ball on his head!
I remember forgiving his move to Man Utd where he won a lot of medals, however being absolutely gutted when he signed for the rags.
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He was an amazing talent,I wasn't annoyed by him moving as he had outgrown us,I was annoyed that the football world only noticed how good he was after he joined Utd.
Great player,top man,terrible pundit.
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That piece could be shortened to 'Gis' a job'
Agreed. What with John Gregory now back in management, Sky/BT must be looking for a former Villa player to be a pundit for our games.
Great player, a joy to watch, bags of talent but still a Plastic FC badge kisser.
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Fantastic player, I loved him, but wouldn't put him in the same bracket as GOD and a few others; Sir Brian Little, Withe, Gray, Shaw, Sid, Morley, in fact the 1980/81 entire team but that's just my opinion. I guess for me he was equal but no better. I've met him and he was a nice bloke but that was while he was still a Villa player. I was absolutely gutted when he left and the way he engineered the move left a sour taste but I understood why he wanted to leave. What I dislike now is that he didn't have to kiss the badge in front of the Villa fans at Old Trafford and he didn't have to say the things he said when he joined the rags, but he did. Why would he do that if the Villa and the fans meant so much to him? It's nice to hear good things from past players but this just sounds like a bit of ass licking. I hope he apologises for his comments in part 2 after he's looked for the ManUre score....er sorry I mean the Villa score.
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Brilliant player with my memories unfortunately tainted by the ManUre badge-kissing.
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I may have dreamt it but upon signing for the unwashed didn't he declare that they were the biggest club in Birmingham?
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Great player and gave us 9 great years , to have two players like him and McGrath in the same team we were very lucky
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It was his behaviour at Goodison which blighted my memory of him. I dare say JG could have handle the player's departure with more aplomb, but the episode left a sour taste in my mouth.
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One of the few truly world class players i've seen play for us in about 37 years. The other two being Platt and McGrath. Many others were just a slight level below, Sid, Laursen etc.
His actions after leaving us left a sour taste, but fuck me, when his song was being belted out it was something special. No other players song has ever felt like it was sung that loud or that often. If that makes sense.
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I may have dreamt it but upon signing for the unwashed didn't he declare that they were the biggest club in Birmingham?
Yes
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Everton game + kissing united badge = knobhead. I just don't believe him, maybe he is telling the truth, but I've always found him to be insincere. Could just be me, but yeah, shocking pundit and just looking for a job. Top striker though. Knobhead.
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen many better.
Since I've been going (roughly 94/95), Dwight Yorke has been by far the best player at the club that I have seen.
Surely your not including mcgrath there who was by far the best I've seen in 36 years of watching villa.
I'm of a similar era and I rate Yorke more highly based on what I saw. I was perhaps a bit too young to appreciate McGrath whereas Yorke was very noticable as the main man in our teams of 95-97, my favourite Villa era. I was devastated when he left, it really hurt. Couldn't bring myself to say his name for a few years. I'd like to think I was more mature now but not so sure.
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Mcgrath, Sid, Yorke, Platt - four of the best Villa players over the past 50 years and all signed by SGT for less than 1m quid
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Mcgrath, Sid, Yorke, Platt - four of the best Villa players over the past 50 years and all signed by SGT for less than 1m quid
Indeed , he certainly got his money worth for those players for sure.
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Why did it take so long for Yorke to shine at the club? Being played out of position, off field shenanigans or a combination of both? Brilliant player for us, we just couldn't find the right partner for him maybe to win the league
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I wasn't at Old Trafford the day of the 'badge kiss' but I would ask the question of whether he was getting dogs abuse? & whether it was a stupid heat of the moment action or calculated action of a numpty?
McGrath aside Yorkie is easily the best, most exciting player I've ever seen since I started attending in 89-90...
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His chipped pen against the arse was pretty special.
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Despite Everton and the badge kissing, and the fact I was at one a pre-season friendly against Wycombe the summer he left, and he'd said to a few of fans before the game that he wasn't going to leave, I still think he's the best player I've seen here in my time (90 onwards)barring God of course. I feel Tekkers has the potential to be even better, but he's got a long way to go to match Yorkie.
Yorke was a classy player. A class striker, great touch, shit-loads of ability, good enough technician that he could easily have played in midfield. Quick enough he could play wide. I thought for a time with us, and his first season at Utd he was a Worldy. He just then got caught up in the celeb lifestyle too much. Shagging Jordan, partying etc. Not good. When he should have been peaking he was rapidly declining. As it is he'll be remembered as a very good player but not a great one. He should however be considered up there in Premier League terms with some of the best.
It's a shame really because Yorke always had a fantastic attitude, but his ego finally got the better of him by the time Utd came sniffing around, and then during his time there. Money and success can make a bellend out of the best of us. I do think (or hope) however Yorke probably regrets some of his behaviour in retrospect.
If we had a striker like Yorke playing off Benteke we'd be fucking brilliant.
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That piece could be shortened to 'Gis' a job'
You took the words right out of my mouth!
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I fucking love Dwight Yorke for all of his ills. A proper superstar player that could do everything. He loved playing for us. Yes, things got a little out of control towards the end, but for me Dwight Yorke leaving is just one more example of how as a club we never capitalized on some of the incredible talent we've had down at VP over the years. He should have been the centrepiece of so much that we could have achieved and for one reason or another again we didn't make the most of it. Look at us now as compared to where we were going in the era of Dwight being at the club and how much more we could have achieved and didn't. For those that witnessed Dwight in his pomp in a Villa shirt you know he gave everything and did things that the current crop don't dare to dream of doing let alone have the ability.
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If he turns out to be a good manager then yeah, we'll have a look. He'll have to go somewhere and prove he's a good manager first though.
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I may have dreamt it but upon signing for the unwashed didn't he declare that they were the biggest club in Birmingham?
Yes
I wouldn't lose any sleep about that, its no doubt a contractual obligation on anyone who signs for them that they have to recite that ritual incantation.
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I may have dreamt it but upon signing for the unwashed didn't he declare that they were the biggest club in Birmingham?
Yes
I wouldn't lose any sleep about that, its no doubt a contractual obligation on anyone who signs for them that they have to recite that ritual incantation.
When Kevin Phillips joined Small Heath he said he'd loved his time at Villa and had great respect for the club and the fans. However his job was to play football and he'd now do his best for his new club and hoped fans would understand.
That's a perfectly fair and reasonble thing to say and it's not surprising the Phillips is held in high regard by fans of Villa, Small Heath and West Brom.
There was no need, or excuse, for Yorke to say what he did. Coupled with the badge kissing, and the display at Everton, it makes it very difficult to think kindly of him, from my point of view.
Absolutely loved the bloke when he was here but he's tarnished that immensely.
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One or two ill judged comments or actions when he had left but when he was here, Yorkie was a fabulous player for us.
Although the years do seem to make things a little less clear, didn't he come in for Dalian towards the end of the 1992-93 season and scored a few goals. Then was dropped when Dalian was fit again and Dalian did F all for the remaining seven or eight games when we lost our way, had a poor end to the season and Man U won the league?
That was always the version of events which I seem to recall. However that doesn't necessarily mean that it's true.
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Good of him to offer to manage us. Although, unless I've missed something his management CV (or lack of) makes Tony Adams' look experienced and impressive. I suppose SKY might like a season of picking a PL era legend for each club and giving them a year as boss. Liked him when he was here and he would probably get into my best Villa XI of the last thirty years, disliked him when he left and don't really care either way about him now.
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In my time, which is from 71 onwards,and taking out the 81-82 legends who are all exempt, he is the best player I've seen at VP. He won games by himself just take a look at the DVD's for a reminder, he was better than God in so much as IMO it's harder to score goals than to prevent them but it's a close run thing and if anyone disagrees then I can understand.
He also had a fantastic song which was ours and no one else's which we sang everywhere.
As for the badge kissing, at the time I hated him, but hated Beckham more for the goal!
The thing about his time is we weren't scraping around the lower reaches like now, we were competing at the top and he was our key player.
Sigh, for those times
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
Our love for him didn't stop the Holte giving him dogs abuse either. Not sure why some supporters think abuse is ok one way but then have a shit fit when the player reacts in kind
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I try to vanish his time post us from my mind because while he was with us he gave us some wonderful memories. A goal he scored at VP against Forest - weaving run down the left, cut inside and the most brilliant curled finish into the top right corner - is one of the most memorable goals I've ever seen in B6. Wonderful.
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Ash was probably the closest since Dwight in that you got off your seat when he had the ball. Ash was still a solid peg or three below Dwight in what he could actually do to influence a game. It was just so easy for him at times and a free at that. Some kid playing with a ball on a beach (or as the myth might have evolved). Thank goodness Sir Graham had a great eye during that tour.
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Ash was probably the closest since Dwight in that you got off your seat when he had the ball. Ash was still a solid peg or three below Dwight in what he could actually do to influence a game. It was just so easy for him at times and a free at that. Some kid playing with a ball on a beach (or as the myth might have evolved). Thank goodness Sir Graham had a great eye during that tour.
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen many better.
Since I've been going (roughly 94/95), Dwight Yorke has been by far the best player at the club that I have seen.
Surely your not including mcgrath there who was by far the best I've seen in 36 years of watching villa.
I am. McGrath was at the end of his Villa career when I started going, so I never got to really see how great he was.
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'One day I will come back and manage the football club '- thanks for the offer but no thanks !
Its a decent write up but I'm not sure I'd agree that he's one of the greatest players in villa history , he was a class player for us but I've seen many better.
Since I've been going (roughly 94/95), Dwight Yorke has been by far the best player at the club that I have seen.
Surely your not including mcgrath there who was by far the best I've seen in 36 years of watching villa.
I am. McGrath was at the end of his Villa career when I started going, so I never got to really see how great he was.
certainly depending on how much you watched us and specifically when you could vertainly make a case for Dwight being spoken of in those terms. McGrath is Villa royalty, but Dwight isn't too far off in terms of the time he spent with us and what he was able to do in that time.
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How many other times have we sold a player who went on to improve one of the best teams in the world? Never in my lifetime and I can't think of any before then. That's how good he was.
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Great player for us, and I can't really blame him for leaving. How many players would turn down the best team in the country? Not many. He totally justified his leaving with what he achieved at Man Utd.
I remember him getting some quite disgusting abuse on one of his returns to Villa Park when fans sung about his relationship with Jordan and his handicapped son. Not one of our finest days.
Terrific player who I'll always have fond memories of, and I'm just glad he played for the Villa.
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Great player for us, and I can't really blame him for leaving. How many players would turn down the best team in the country? Not many. He totally justified his leaving with what he achieved at Man Utd.
I remember him getting some quite disgusting abuse on one of his returns to Villa Park when fans sung about his relationship with Jordan and his handicapped son. Not one of our finest days.
Terrific player who I'll always have fond memories of, and I'm just glad he played for the Villa.
well put SH. A lot of stuff was horrendous being chanted about him and his son. Not just from our fans mind you but made all the more sad given what he did for us. That video of Big Ron singing It's Up to You Dwight Yorke and his massive cheesy grin is still one of my favourite moments. We just seemed so much happier back then and for a short while under Big Ron magnficent to watch. Cries
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One of the few truly world class players i've seen play for us in about 37 years. The other two being Platt and McGrath. Many others were just a slight level below, Sid, Laursen etc.
His actions after leaving us left a sour taste, but fuck me, when his song was being belted out it was something special. No other players song has ever felt like it was sung that loud or that often. If that makes sense.
As above. Absolutely fantastic player for us. When he left it was devastating as he was not just brilliant but he could create such an atmosphere in the ground by a moment of magic.
Although when he left and helped turn Manchester Utd into European Champions it didn't bother me, I was proud for him. I wish he never kissed the badge, but sod it he must have been in some special place in his life after the upbringing he came from. I can forgive him for that.
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Met Dwight yorke at Barbados airport in 2008 told him I hated him for leaving villa not because he went to manure but because I couldn't sing the Dwight yorke song again. He said you can't describe how I felt when the Holte sung that song. Class player who would not of looked out of place in any team in the world. He has to be included in the list of all time villa greats no matter what gripes anyone has about him. Still have that chipped penalty against Sheffield utd in my mind which has been copied by all but for me yorke put his patent on that. "Start spreading the news he's playing today we gonna see a goal from him" think you know the rest
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I'm pretty sure Panenka (sp?) has the patent on chipped pens.
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I'm pretty sure Panenka (sp?) has the patent on chipped pens.
Fuck Panenka. It's the Yorke and always will be :)
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Does he say these nice things in his book?
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I always remember being at St James' Park on a Monday night when he took the Gerdies on by himself and was robbed of a 4th by poor decision from the linesman.
A world class player.
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We lost that fucking game as well.
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I always remember being at St James' Park on a Monday night when he took the Gerdies on by himself and was robbed of a 4th by poor decision from the linesman.
A world class player.
A rare occasion to get a hat trick and lose the game - one of his best games in a villa shirt that night.
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People are right about him not being rated as highly for us as he should have been as well.
The year he went and the rumours were doing the rounds in advance as he had been tapped up.
Playing Summer skittles and have some plastic Manc moaning about what they were willing to pay for him. "What will he add to the team?" He cried.
I explained that after a season they would think him worth double what we were asking.
He did.
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Though it took him a fair while to produce his best, he was a top quality player by the time he moved on. Had it all as a forward really and although I couldn't blame him for wanting to leave, I still think the price we got for him was way too low.
As good as he was, I'd still have McGrath, Cowans and Platt above him.
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Yeah 4-3. Draper was sent off if I recall correctly.
I have the last shirt he ever wore for us personally signed by him. Which is nice.
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By comparison Platt's a prick the bitter spoon faced tosser. I loved him too
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Yorkie could score just about every type of goal too and showed it in his time here. Some of his goals were exceptional. Benteeekey (as Niall Quinn calls him) has that ability too, hopefully we'll see that again on sunday.
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Though it took him a fair while to produce his best, he was a top quality player by the time he moved on. Had it all as a forward really and although I couldn't blame him for wanting to leave, I still think the price we got for him was way too low.
As good as he was, I'd still have McGrath, Cowans and Platt above him.
Me too, when he went to utd I thought he would stay there a few years and help them to years of success - he and cole were a great partnership but I wonder if he regrets playing less than 100 games in his time with them - his career hit the buffers somewhat after leaving them and he seemed to drift from club to club .
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By comparison Platt's a prick the bitter spoon faced tosser. I loved him too
Never understood why platt seemed to distance himself from the club after he left - he made his name at villa but rarely mentioned us from the day he left .
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Part two-
Paul Brown continues his chat with Dwight Yorke.
Dwight Yorke believes his claret and blue career sky-rocketed under Brian Little because the manager told him: "You're my No.10 - go and express yourself."
Yorke says he enjoyed his time under all his other managers - Graham Taylor, Dr Jo Venglos, Big Ron Atkinson and John Gregory - but insists that Little filled him with masses and masses of confidence, making him feel "unstoppable."
And it was under Little that Yorke enjoyed his best-ever moment at Villa - the 1996 League Cup final victory over Leeds United, a performance he describes as "perfect."
He said: "My career sky-rocketed to another level under Brian.
"I worked under Graham Taylor, Dr Jo, Big Ron and John Gregory. I learnt a lot from these managers.
"But I was coming up to about 24-years-old under Brian and I knew good times were around the corner. I felt it.
"Brian came in, saw something in me and gave me the impetus to go and play well.
"He made it known to everyone that I was his main man.
He said: "That No.10 shirt is yours, go and play and express yourself.' He told me I had everything as a player that he was looking for.
"I was confident anyway but that gave me the belief to show a good level of consistency in my game week after week. I knew I was going to play every week. I went to another level.
"There was a lot of hard work involved. It wasn't just a case of turn up and entertain. I put the hard graft in at Bodymoor too.
"I have to mention people like Jim Walker and the other lads in the backroom staff too. They inspired me. They told me to kick on.
"Those words of encouragement from everyone at the club gave me the impetus to reach the very top of my game. For two or three years, my career at Villa blossomed.
"It all culminated in the League Cup win. That was unbelievable. The feeling of winning a major competition for the first time was truly incredible.
"That was my first time playing at Wembley. Look at the manner of the performance and the manner of the victory too. We were playing against very good players at Leeds. We played so, so well. That was just a complete performance.
"To score at the end and hear the crowd singing my name Dwight Yorke, Dwight Yorke to the tune of New York, New York - wow, what a feeling. That was the ultimate. That was the best experience. It doesn't come much better than that!
"It was very different to the feeling I had two years before when I missed out under Big Ron in the 1994 final against Man Utd.
"That was a down period for me. But it was a learning curve too. I thought - and Big Ron said - if the club ever get there again, be part of it.
"I saw everyone enjoying themselves that day and I was absolutely gutted I didn't play. I was frustrated not to be in the 11, never mind the 16.
"But I used the feeling to inspire me. And it all ended beautifully in the next major final."
Yorke was at his flamboyant best in the dressing room after the 1996 game, downing champagne and singing his signature tune as the other lads cheered him on - and it was this flair and panache that exemplified his game on the pitch too.
For sheer audacity, who will ever forget his impudent chip from the penalty spot in an FA Cup tie at Sheffield United in 1996? Or the carbon copy against Arsenal's David Seaman at Villa Park a couple of years later.
Certainly not Yorkie!
He added: "They were special moments. I was high on confidence. The fans believed in me. I felt I was unstoppable. Those were the kind of things I used to do.
"Not many players could get away with that at Villa Park. I just felt 'even if I miss this, they know I'm trying to entertain them.'
"That's part of a player's makeup. You want to win football matches, of course. But the fans are paying their hard-earned money to come and be entertained. It should be like going to the theatre!
"Some people might not remember it, but I loved to entertain the fans before the game too.
"I loved to run out late. It wasn't deliberate. But I was always the last man for the warm-up. I used to juggle the ball across the pitch. I was entertaining the fans and showing them I was well up for it. I was geeing the fans up.
"I'd have the fans singing my name. I got a buzz from that and I'd like to think that they got a buzz from it too."
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Brian Little relating to Dwight Yorke and telling him to go express himself. From master to pupil.
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I loved Yorkey and everything about him - the story of how he was scouted, his background, his humility in the early days. And at his peak for us he was untouchable - some wonderful moments and memories at VP were down to this man.
Gutted when he left and remember being pretty shocked that he did, but reluctantly understood his desire to move to where he knew he would win honours, and as Dave W said, he actually made Manure a better team, unlikely as I thought that would be at the time.
I'd love the 24 year old him in our team now, that's for sure!
As a Villa great in my 50 years going to VP he's pretty near the top, but not quite in the same category as God, Sid, Morley, Sir Dennis or Brian Little.
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The day he left we were no longer one of the big boys.
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I always remember being at St James' Park on a Monday night when he took the Gerdies on by himself and was robbed of a 4th by poor decision from the linesman.
A world class player.
I watched that game in a bar in The Hague with a few other Dutch Villains, to this day I do not know how we lost that game.
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Leading the Premier League for three months after he left was a good feeling, even if it ultimately ended in disappointment. If only we'd payed what Athletico (?) wanted for Juninho...
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I always remember being at St James' Park on a Monday night when he took the Gerdies on by himself and was robbed of a 4th by poor decision from the linesman.
A world class player.
I watched that game in a bar in The Hague with a few other Dutch Villains, to this day I do not know how we lost that game.
Didn't we have 10 men for a large chunk of it as well ?
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Absolutely loved the player a genuine top quality one. I went to Tobago a few years ago and loads of people know about the villa over there because of him. Shame he had to lower himself with a few silly comments during the later part of his career but it was a true pleasure to watch him play for us.
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I always remember being at St James' Park on a Monday night when he took the Gerdies on by himself and was robbed of a 4th by poor decision from the linesman.
A world class player.
I watched that game in a bar in The Hague with a few other Dutch Villains, to this day I do not know how we lost that game.
Didn't we have 10 men for a large chunk of it as well ?
Draper was sent off in the first half. We were 3-1 down starting the second.
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
Our love for him didn't stop the Holte giving him dogs abuse either. Not sure why some supporters think abuse is ok one way but then have a shit fit when the player reacts in kind
The reason he got the abuse was BECAUSE of the Old Trafford badge kiss incident.
I was at that game, it was a Beckham free kick, I think. Beckham ran to the Villa fans after he scored, giving it the Barry McGuigan, closely followed by Dwight. Naturally the villa fans reacted to the provocation, and then Dwight kissed the badge. He had had no real abuse up to that point. After the badge kiss, all bets were off and he got what he deserved. He had burnt his bridges.
We dont want you back Dwight.
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
Our love for him didn't stop the Holte giving him dogs abuse either. Not sure why some supporters think abuse is ok one way but then have a shit fit when the player reacts in kind
The reason he got the abuse was BECAUSE of the Old Trafford badge kiss incident.
I was at that game, it was a Beckham free kick, I think. Beckham ran to the Villa fans after he scored, giving it the Barry McGuigan, closely followed by Dwight. Naturally the villa fans reacted to the provocation, and then Dwight kissed the badge. He had had no real abuse up to that point. After the badge kiss, all bets were off and he got what he deserved. He had burnt his bridges.
We dont want you back Dwight.
He'd been given shit in every game before that, and please don't say 'we' when you mean 'I'.
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As it goes, whilst I loved his time with us, Trinitymiddle is right.
Yorkie had received no stick from our lot until playing kissy face with their badge.
Our songs in the cup when he played for Blackburn, about his kid, were disgraceful mind.
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As it goes, whilst I loved his time with us, Trinitymiddle is right.
Yorkie had received no stick from our lot until playing kissy face with their badge.
Our songs in the cup when he played for Blackburn, about his kid, were disgraceful mind.
He'd had loads, at every match.
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
Our love for him didn't stop the Holte giving him dogs abuse either. Not sure why some supporters think abuse is ok one way but then have a shit fit when the player reacts in kind
The reason he got the abuse was BECAUSE of the Old Trafford badge kiss incident.
I was at that game, it was a Beckham free kick, I think. Beckham ran to the Villa fans after he scored, giving it the Barry McGuigan, closely followed by Dwight. Naturally the villa fans reacted to the provocation, and then Dwight kissed the badge. He had had no real abuse up to that point. After the badge kiss, all bets were off and he got what he deserved. He had burnt his bridges.
We dont want you back Dwight.
He'd been given shit in every game before that, and please don't say 'we' when you mean 'I'.
That was his first game against us after he left.
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
Our love for him didn't stop the Holte giving him dogs abuse either. Not sure why some supporters think abuse is ok one way but then have a shit fit when the player reacts in kind
The reason he got the abuse was BECAUSE of the Old Trafford badge kiss incident.
I was at that game, it was a Beckham free kick, I think. Beckham ran to the Villa fans after he scored, giving it the Barry McGuigan, closely followed by Dwight. Naturally the villa fans reacted to the provocation, and then Dwight kissed the badge. He had had no real abuse up to that point. After the badge kiss, all bets were off and he got what he deserved. He had burnt his bridges.
We dont want you back Dwight.
He'd been given shit in every game before that, and please don't say 'we' when you mean 'I'.
That was his first game against us after he left.
No it wasn't.
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Dwight was good for us. Shame he had a good choice for clubs and not such a good choice for his women.
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It was his second game against us after he left. I don't remember the home game at all so not even sure I was there, so no idea if he got stick at VP or not.
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It was his second game against us after he left. I don't remember the home game at all so not even sure I was there, so no idea if he got stick at VP or not.
I'm with Dave, I remember him getting stick in the Villa Park game.
It was only a couple of months after he'd left, we were going great guns at the time, and remember the whole transfer had been a pretty bitter affair.
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As it goes, whilst I loved his time with us, Trinitymiddle is right.
Yorkie had received no stick from our lot until playing kissy face with their badge.
Our songs in the cup when he played for Blackburn, about his kid, were disgraceful mind.
The Blackburn games chanting was really appalling. Only surpased by 03-03-03 in disgracing the club.
Personally, i think the way we often booed great returning players continually, Yorke, Southgate, Bosnich was really small time of us.
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Best striker in England and maybe even Europe for three years on the trot, two for us one for them. Absolute class. Gary Shaw still my best striker though.
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Gary Shaw... Tony Morley... My boyhood heroes. Still are.
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Mine too, for obvious reasons!
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Name-sake or related?
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I loved him as a player and he was wonderful but the badge kissing was such a cutting gesture. I wouldn't want him as manager of Aston Villa, personally.
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there is no room for sentiment when it comes to managing at the top level. He should prove his worth lower down and get all of his badges to be considered for any job in the PL irrespective of his attachment to the club. There's nothing automatic about the transition from great player to successful football manager.
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Name-sake or related?
Just name-sake
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Name-sake or related?
Just name-sake
opportunity missed to be his son for a day.
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I was referring to the game in question of Badge Kiss Gate Dave, and he didnt get a second glance from our fans that day until his performance in front of us.
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I was referring to the game in question of Badge Kiss Gate Dave, and he didnt get a second glance from our fans that day until his performance in front of us.
Ah, right.
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As good a player as he was I don't think he would much of a manager.
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As good a player as he was I don't think he would much of a manager.
Then again I don't suppose many people thought Brian Little would.
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As good a player as he was I don't think he would much of a manager.
Then again I don't suppose many people thought Brian Little would.
I wouldn't have Yorkie down as management material but perhaps if there's one club he'd succeed at, it would be this one. It didn't really go right for Little after leaving us, ditto Gregory. I think the ties to the club as players probably added something to how they managed the club. Fans give you a tad more leighway I guess too, and particularly with Little who's whole playing career was with us, he knew what makes this club tick.
That said if we're talking ex-players managing here at some point, Yorke wouldn't be that high on the list.
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I'm surprised people are still a bit pissy about some of his antics towards the end of his Villa career and afterwards. The game at Everton...he wouldn't be the first wantaway player to go through the motions when a club record deal was being heavily speculated upon and possibly already more or less confirmed when that game took place.
The badge-kissing was pantomime payback for the abuse he'd got from some of out lot. Dont' dish it out etc... if he hadn't been riled I doubt he would have acted the bellend. The comments on joining Blose...meh, getting the Knuckledraggers onside understandable if, admittedly, a little cheeky/disappointing.
He, more than any other player, helped forge my strong bond with Villa in my formative years because he had it all and I knew I could hold my own at school lauding him when the other tossers went on about how good Robbie Fowler, Eric Cantona and Phil Masinga were for their teams.
And I take it as a nice compliment that he wants to come back and manage us. Calm down people, he's not angling for Mumbles' job - he's just saying how we still mean a lot to him. And who knows, when he's in his fifties and looks a dead-ringer for Chalky White in Boardwalk Empire, perhaps he will have worked his way up the management structure.
I loved the bleeder and part of me always will.
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I reckon Yorke could be a Laudrup style manager - entertaining, win a lot of friends, but when it starts going wrong I don't think there would be a Plan B.
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I'm surprised people are still a bit pissy about some of his antics towards the end of his Villa career and afterwards. The game at Everton...he wouldn't be the first wantaway player to go through the motions when a club record deal was being heavily speculated upon and possibly already more or less confirmed when that game took place.
The badge-kissing was pantomime payback for the abuse he'd got from some of out lot. Dont' dish it out etc... if he hadn't been riled I doubt he would have acted the bellend. The comments on joining Blose...meh, getting the Knuckledraggers onside understandable if, admittedly, a little cheeky/disappointing.
He, more than any other player, helped forge my strong bond with Villa in my formative years because he had it all and I knew I could hold my own at school lauding him when the other tossers went on about how good Robbie Fowler, Eric Cantona and Phil Masinga were for their teams.
And I take it as a nice compliment that he wants to come back and manage us. Calm down people, he's not angling for Mumbles' job - he's just saying how we still mean a lot to him. And who knows, when he's in his fifties and looks a dead-ringer for Chalky White in Boardwalk Empire, perhaps he will have worked his way up the management structure.
I loved the bleeder and part of me always will.
Compare the going through the motions at Everton compared to James Milner v West Ham when he was on the verge of going to Man City. That and his antics after soiled my feelings of one of the most gifted players I have ever seen in a Villa shirt
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Really difficult to hate Yorkie.
My first Villa idol and I was distraught when he left (hold fire I was only 9!). Fabulous strker.
I have no idea on the badge kissing incident (shows how much I know as I was always under the impression it occurred at VP) but good to read that even if you'd expect gushing comments on the villa website.
Would rather just remember the brilliant goals he scored for us.
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We were actually winning 1-0 at the time. Yorkie dives, up steps the one trick pony...
I think Beckham may have got their second too?
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'Start spreading the news....' - my favourite all-time Villa song, and Yorke is right up there with McGrath and Sid for me. The badge-kissing left a sour taste at the time but it's water under the bridge for me now
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My favourite player and the one person who always got me off my seat at Villa Park. I think I summed it up best in the article I wrote for the fanzine just after he left. All the bollocks that happened afterwards is just that bollocks and as others have said water under the bridge. Fantastic memories of his time with us.
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I don't know if he has done his coaching badges yet but if he wants to manage Villa he might want to get a move on starting his managerial career. He is the same age as Paul Lambert.
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I don't know if he has done his coaching badges yet but if he wants to manage Villa he might want to get a move on starting his managerial career. He is the same age as Paul Lambert.
Maybe we can get him in as a coach and he can help our players pass a ball to a teammate, show a bit of movement, and where the back of the net is.
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Movement lol. Westwood only feels comfortable standing next to an opposition player.
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Movement lol. Westwood only feels comfortable standing next to an opposition player.
To be fair to Westwood, Scott Parker looks quite dashing with his barnet. He probably wanted to stand and admire it the other day. ;)
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Goodison.
Badge kissing.
"Everyone knows Birmingham City are historically the biggest club in the area."
No thanks.
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Goodison.
Badge kissing.
"Everyone knows Birmingham City are historically the biggest club in the area."
No thanks.
Did he actually say that?! What a stupid thing to say, it's just blatantly factually incorrect.
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Come on Gagey. What's all that minor tit-for-tat measured against years of wonderful goals, skills and smiles?
It's Chrissmas for Chrisssakes.
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Goodison.
Badge kissing.
"Everyone knows Birmingham City are historically the biggest club in the area."
No thanks.
Did he actually say that?! What a stupid thing to say, it's just blatantly factually incorrect.
I don't think that was the exact quote was it?
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Goodison.
Badge kissing.
"Everyone knows Birmingham City are historically the biggest club in the area."
No thanks.
Did he actually say that?! What a stupid thing to say, it's just blatantly factually incorrect.
He had his fingers and toes crossed. Plus if you're a Villa legend joining the local rats on their ship as one of your last stops how else are you going to try and garner acceptance? I don't think he meant it at all. Badge kissing, who cares? I'll go by his body of work in our colours and it's massively impressive.
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Interesting view on collymore-
Signing for Birmingham City came as a shock to Villa fans – but Yorke’s spell at the Blues included one of the most controversial incidents of his career.
He netted just two goals in 13 games.
But the most upsetting part of his time with relegation-threatened Blues came when he returned to former club Blackburn Rovers.
Warming up as a substitute at Ewood Park, racist abuse was hurled at Yorke by the Blackburn fans.
Angry, hurt and insulted, the striker looked for support from Blues bosses.
But he claimed he was let down by Birmingham City owner David Sullivan who said the incident was blown out of proportion and was ‘not the crime of the century’.
Yorke revealed: “I took great exception to one of the Birmingham owners, David Sullivan, claiming in interviews with the media that I had made too much of the incident.
“I had never met this guy but I could not believe that he had voiced such an ignorant and insensitive opinion.
“I was told that I should take no heed of it by Brucey (Steve Bruce), but I was disgusted by his attitude. What the hell did he know about it?”
David Sullivan refused to comment.
Stan Collymore talked the talk but didn't deliver - Dwight Yorke
Dwight Yorke made many close friends in football and only failed to get on with one player – Stan Collymore.
Villa manager Brian Little signed the Cannock-born striker from Liverpool in 1997 for a club record £7 million fee.
But ‘Stan The Man’ went on to score just seven league goals in 46 appearances – a poor return which Yorke put down to a bad attitude.
“I never had any issues with my team-mates throughout my Villa days, save for one,” he said.
“Stan Collymore disappointed me, I’m afraid.
‘‘He certainly had talent, no-one could deny that, but there were rumours that he could be a bit moody.
‘‘Stan’s arrival brought an unsettling tension to the team. He had left Liverpool, undoubtedly a bigger club, and to me gave the impression that he could swan into Villa and just take over the place.
“We saw someone who was basing his authority at the club and inside the dressing room on reputation alone. And that’s how it stayed.
“We never saw Stan deliver anything on the pitch with any consistency that warranted his big attitude around the place.
“He talked a great game which he rarely, if ever, delivered and to me that simply wasn’t acceptable.”
When Collymore signed, Yorke had just finished as the club’s top scorer for the second year running.
But the formidable partnership that Little had hoped for never materialised and the Cannock striker, who has suffered with depression, eventually left the club for Leicester in 2000.
Yorke said: ‘‘Stan was troubled at the time and had his own issues. And who knows if that contributed to what seemed to me like a bad attitude. But I found it hard to bear.’’
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Does he say these nice things in his book?
Ask Darren Wooley.
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Goodison.
Badge kissing.
"Everyone knows Birmingham City are historically the biggest club in the area."
No thanks.
Did he actually say that?! What a stupid thing to say, it's just blatantly factually incorrect.
Dwight Yorke - "Birmingham are regarded as bigger than Aston Villa."
"I lived here for nine years and people have always said that Birmingham supporters are much greater in the city."
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He had probably just been hit on the head by Jordan's airbags before he said that.
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That game at Everton. His head must have been all over the place, his transfer was all but complete and I think I mentioned to someone before kick-off that I was surprised he was picked. Some players (the afore-mentioned Milner for instance) will react professionally and just get on with playing, others just haven't got that sort of mindset.
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Goodison.
Badge kissing.
"Everyone knows Birmingham City are historically the biggest club in the area."
No thanks.
Did he actually say that?! What a stupid thing to say, it's just blatantly factually incorrect.
Dwight Yorke - "Birmingham are regarded as bigger than Aston Villa."
"I lived here for nine years and people have always said that Birmingham supporters are much greater in the city."
So he didn't say it, or he'd have said "I lived here for nine years and I have always said that Birmingham supporters are much greater in the city."
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Interesting to hear his take on Collywobbles. I wonder if some of that prima-donna behaviour rubbed off on Yorkie during 1998. Maybe even making him try to force through a move to ManUre as much as possible. I remember on my first trip to Villa, (a 1-1 draw against Spurs in VP's centenary game APr '97. Yorke with a late equaliser, of course), after the game when the autograph-hunters were pestering Dwight, he was moodily putting his earrings in, while stood by whatever posh car he had. That image of him - the apparent self-knowing that he was the big cheese at the club did strike me as a kid and him being my favourite player.
He was good mates with Bossie and Ego, who both later showed, publicly, their desire to leave the club. They were all ambitious at the time and even though Ehiogu ended-up at 'Boro, he has said that a move to United was on the cards at one stage. Maybe they saw Collymore as a symbol of what they wanted and Yorkie's views are clouded by that. Or, perhaps he's right. Collymore didn't work as hard as them, was moodier and wasn't as productive on the field.
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Goodison.
Badge kissing.
"Everyone knows Birmingham City are historically the biggest club in the area."
No thanks.
Did he actually say that?! What a stupid thing to say, it's just blatantly factually incorrect.
Dwight Yorke - "Birmingham are regarded as bigger than Aston Villa."
"I lived here for nine years and people have always said that Birmingham supporters are much greater in the city."
So he didn't say it, or he'd have said "I lived here for nine years and I have always said that Birmingham supporters are much greater in the city."
Agreed- another case of his words being twisted out of context.
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
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One game over 9 years ?
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One game over 9 years ?
Exactly. Really pissed off with him at the time but I thought he was great for us over the years. Oh for a young Dwight Yorke now.
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Taylor grew up a villa fan though so his allegiance is understandably stronger .
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
Yes, obviously. That doesn't alter the fact that I would never look back on Yorke's time at the club with nearly the same affection as I do for other players. What was your point?
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I put him in a similar bucket as David Platt. Someone who rarely, if ever, seems to acknowledge us as a part of their career.
Thanks for the goals and all that, but he is a hard player to love.
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
Yes, obviously. That doesn't alter the fact that I would never look back on Yorke's time at the club with nearly the same affection as I do for other players. What was your point?
My point, which is pretty obvious, is that of course he's proudest of his greatest achievements so to criticise him for that is churlish in the extreme.
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Re: Dwight Yorke.
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I'm pretty sure Panenka (sp?) has the patent on chipped pens.
And I'm pretty sure patents have to be registered in each individual country, and for me yorke has it I this country
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He was good mates with Bossie and Ego,
Very, very close friends with Bozzie so the rumour had it at the time!
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Mark was pretty good looking (for a boy).
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
Yes, obviously. That doesn't alter the fact that I would never look back on Yorke's time at the club with nearly the same affection as I do for other players. What was your point?
My point, which is pretty obvious, is that of course he's proudest of his greatest achievements so to criticise him for that is churlish in the extreme.
I have no problems about his success at Man ure, he deserved the biggest stage. What I do have problems with is that day at Everton and his antics for Man Ure in that game. Dont even have a problem with the Birmingham comments as obviously trying the get the knuckledusters on board
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draggers
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
Yes, obviously. That doesn't alter the fact that I would never look back on Yorke's time at the club with nearly the same affection as I do for other players. What was your point?
My point, which is pretty obvious, is that of course he's proudest of his greatest achievements so to criticise him for that is churlish in the extreme.
I have no problems about his success at Man ure, he deserved the biggest stage. What I do have problems with is that day at Everton and his antics for Man Ure in that game. Dont even have a problem with the Birmingham comments as obviously trying the get the knuckledusters on board
Surely you're not gonna dismiss all the marvelous goals and performances he gave in a Villa shirt just because of one lousy day at Everton and a few silly remarks at Small Heath (if he was even serious, which I doubt)?
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Every time Dwight Yorke gets mentioned that Everton game is dragged up, and every time more people were there and his performance gets more exaggerated. The truth is that he shouldn't have been playing, his mind clearly wasn't at its best, he was being hung out to dry by a manager who was the best we've ever had at getting the supporters on his side and from what I recall of the day, as we left the ground nobody mentioned how badly or otherwise he'd played.
And he kissed the badge on his shirt to wind us up after we'd booed him. Oh, the disgrace.
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For all his goals, I still prefer his 2 v Arsenal in the league cup, not a legend in the Sid/withe/shaw bracket but certainly up there as a Lesser Villa hero
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I loved Yorkie as a player,one of the best i have ever seen in a Villa shirt.Left a bad taste in the mouth his non effort in the Everton match and his badge kissing in that match at Old Trafford also was disappointing. I could forgive him for that,but could never forgive him for his comments upon joining the rags .As someone earlier said Kevin Phillips never said anything against the club and that it was just his job So for me no i would not like him back at villa
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Dave, you must have been one of the few people who never commented on his pathetic performance in that Everton match .Walking back to the coach and all the way home everyone i spoke to were disgusted with his performance
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Dave, you must have been one of the few people who never commented on his pathetic performance in that Everton match .Walking back to the coach and all the way home everyone i spoke to were disgusted with his performance
Me and everyone I was with inside and outside the ground. But what an absolute bastard to play badly in one match.
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
Yes, obviously. That doesn't alter the fact that I would never look back on Yorke's time at the club with nearly the same affection as I do for other players. What was your point?
My point, which is pretty obvious, is that of course he's proudest of his greatest achievements so to criticise him for that is churlish in the extreme.
I have no problems about his success at Man ure, he deserved the biggest stage. What I do have problems with is that day at Everton and his antics for Man Ure in that game. Dont even have a problem with the Birmingham comments as obviously trying the get the knuckledusters on board
Surely you're not gonna dismiss all the marvelous goals and performances he gave in a Villa shirt just because of one lousy day at Everton and a few silly remarks at Small Heath (if he was even serious, which I doubt)?
I have no problems with the comments with the remarks at Small Heath, but do have a grudge at someone giving less than 110% when in a Villa shirt
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
Yes, obviously. That doesn't alter the fact that I would never look back on Yorke's time at the club with nearly the same affection as I do for other players. What was your point?
My point, which is pretty obvious, is that of course he's proudest of his greatest achievements so to criticise him for that is churlish in the extreme.
I have no problems about his success at Man ure, he deserved the biggest stage. What I do have problems with is that day at Everton and his antics for Man Ure in that game. Dont even have a problem with the Birmingham comments as obviously trying the get the knuckledusters on board
Surely you're not gonna dismiss all the marvelous goals and performances he gave in a Villa shirt just because of one lousy day at Everton and a few silly remarks at Small Heath (if he was even serious, which I doubt)?
I have no problems with the comments with the remarks at Small Heath, but do have a grudge at someone giving less than 110% when in a Villa shirt
If that's the case what would you say about a Villa player who went onto the pitch pissed and let the most hated figure we've got stroll around and score a hat-trick?
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Dave, you must have been one of the few people who never commented on his pathetic performance in that Everton match .Walking back to the coach and all the way home everyone i spoke to were disgusted with his performance
Me and everyone I was with inside and outside the ground. But what an absolute bastard to play badly in one match.
It wasnt he played bad, hedidnt look as if he gave a toss. I loved his football, loved his song, his goals, but anyone who gives less than their best is something I cannot tolerate. Mentioned it earlier, but was Milner in the right mind to play against West Ham? Perhaps not, but he got a standing ovation when he left the field and willalways have my respect
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I have never felt that Yorke shares the same love of this club that say Ian Taylor or even Martin Laursen do.
He is far prouder of his time at United and his display against Everton says everything about his character and regard for our club and fans.
Proud of being in the most successful English team ever. Can you not see the reason for that?
Yes, obviously. That doesn't alter the fact that I would never look back on Yorke's time at the club with nearly the same affection as I do for other players. What was your point?
My point, which is pretty obvious, is that of course he's proudest of his greatest achievements so to criticise him for that is churlish in the extreme.
I have no problems about his success at Man ure, he deserved the biggest stage. What I do have problems with is that day at Everton and his antics for Man Ure in that game. Dont even have a problem with the Birmingham comments as obviously trying the get the knuckledusters on board
Surely you're not gonna dismiss all the marvelous goals and performances he gave in a Villa shirt just because of one lousy day at Everton and a few silly remarks at Small Heath (if he was even serious, which I doubt)?
I have no problems with the comments with the remarks at Small Heath, but do have a grudge at someone giving less than 110% when in a Villa shirt
If that's the case what would you say about a Villa player who went onto the pitch pissed and let the most hated figure we've got stroll around and score a hat-trick?
I would say he had a drink problem
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Dave, you must have been one of the few people who never commented on his pathetic performance in that Everton match .Walking back to the coach and all the way home everyone i spoke to were disgusted with his performance
Me and everyone I was with inside and outside the ground. But what an absolute bastard to play badly in one match.
It wasnt he played bad, hedidnt look as if he gave a toss. I loved his football, loved his song, his goals, but anyone who gives less than their best is something I cannot tolerate. Mentioned it earlier, but was Milner in the right mind to play against West Ham? Perhaps not, but he got a standing ovation when he left the field and willalways have my respect
Maybe Milner didn't care so much about leaving us for the second time and playing for his fourth club in five years. Maybe he had a manager who was helping him rather than hanging him out to dry. And you can't tolerate one performance but you can tolerate a player getting drunk before the match?
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As far as i am concerned ,any player in a villa shirt who does,nt put a shift in during a match will never be a legend
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Dave, you must have been one of the few people who never commented on his pathetic performance in that Everton match .Walking back to the coach and all the way home everyone i spoke to were disgusted with his performance
Me and everyone I was with inside and outside the ground. But what an absolute bastard to play badly in one match.
Hodge played badly in one match, too. And the situations weren't too dissimilar.
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As far as i am concerned ,any player in a villa shirt who does,nt put a shift in during a match will never be a legend
Brian Little, Paul McGrath, Gary Shaw, Tony Morley...
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Mr Woodhall,regards your reply to my last message .Are you saying Little McGrath,Shaw and Withe never put a shift in ?
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Mr Woodhall,regards your reply to my last message .Are you saying Little McGrath,Shaw and Withe never put a shift in ?
I didn't mention Peter Withe, but the rest certainly didn't give everything in every match.
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Dave, you must have been one of the few people who never commented on his pathetic performance in that Everton match .Walking back to the coach and all the way home everyone i spoke to were disgusted with his performance
Me and everyone I was with inside and outside the ground. But what an absolute bastard to play badly in one match.
It wasnt he played bad, hedidnt look as if he gave a toss. I loved his football, loved his song, his goals, but anyone who gives less than their best is something I cannot tolerate. Mentioned it earlier, but was Milner in the right mind to play against West Ham? Perhaps not, but he got a standing ovation when he left the field and willalways have my respect
Maybe Milner didn't care so much about leaving us for the second time and playing for his fourth club in five years. Maybe he had a manager who was helping him rather than hanging him out to dry. And you can't tolerate one performance but you can tolerate a player getting drunk before the match?
I will not tolerate someone giving less than 100% as he clearly did that day and I was there and it was noted by many. It was known Paul McGrath had a drink problem before he joined us, would he have been at Villa if he didnt? Not a similar comparison IMHO
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As far as i am concerned ,any player in a villa shirt who does,nt put a shift in during a match will never be a legend
Brian Little, Paul McGrath, Gary Shaw, Tony Morley...
Are you really saying these players didnt give their all for Villa every time they took the field?
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This is getting ludicrous now. Not only was it perfectly fine for Paul McGrath to run onto the pitch pissed but it seems that there has only ever been one player who didn't give his all in every game.
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Apparently there's a feature on the official website about ow much he loves the Villa ..... unless Man Utd have asked him for an interview that is.
He even though Youngs dive last season was a clear pen (sky pundit).
A good player but not one of the greats.
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I'm with you Dave. He should not have played in the first place. But why remember that one match over nearly ten years of great and exciting service. I will remember the good times and the fantastic atmosphere in the ground when he played. I know in my lifetime I have never had so much joy from one player in a Villa shirt. I loved McGrath too but he did not give me that buzz that Yorke did.
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Sorry Dave,i meant Morley not Withe ,it has been a long day. No doubt those players mentioned had bad games but the only other villa player i can recall in all my years following the club and not putting a shift in was Hodge in the game against Norwich
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This is getting ludicrous now. Not only was it perfectly fine for Paul McGrath to run onto the pitch pissed but it seems that there has only ever been one player who didn't give his all in every game.
Thanks for the fanzine at Fulham, but do you really think Yorke was a Villa great?
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Sorry Dave,i meant Morley not Withe ,it has been a long day. No doubt those players mentioned had bad games but the only other villa player i can recall in all my years following the club and not putting a shift in was Hodge in the game against Norwich
Really?
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This is getting ludicrous now. Not only was it perfectly fine for Paul McGrath to run onto the pitch pissed but it seems that there has only ever been one player who didn't give his all in every game.
Thanks for the fanzine at Fulham, but do you really think York was a Villa great?
Of course he was.
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Up there with McGrath, Platt, Shaw, Little? really?
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Up there with McGrath, Platt, Shaw, Little? really?
Without a doubt.
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He was a great player for Villa no doubt, but he was a disgrace and deserves comparisons with Hodge for his efforts (or lack of it) after the 86 world cup. Hodge dont compare to Dwight as wehad some great service, but the comment re Milner and all his clubs showed up Yorkes lack of professionalism to his club IMO. Milner knew he had a massive move coming, as I approached the ground I thought no way he is playing, but he was chosen and was MOTM by a country mile. He probably doesnt love our club, but he gave his all when he knew he was going to get stick and turned it around.
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Up there with McGrath, Platt, Shaw, Little? really?
Without a doubt.
I agree with that regarding talent
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I just thought he came across as being bitter towards us the fans, and in turn the club, after he left. Playing badly at Everton really is neither here nor there it was his attitude of being disparaging towards us throughout his career that still wrankles. It wasn't often but he had his digs. So, as good as he was, I remember that dwight Yorke not the brilliant player before then.
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I'm with you Dave. He should not have played in the first place. But why remember that one match over nearly ten years of great and exciting service. I will remember the good times and the fantastic atmosphere in the ground when he played. I know in my lifetime I have never had so much joy from one player in a Villa shirt. I loved McGrath too but he did not give me that buzz that Yorke did.
Agreed.
One lousy game where he really shouldn't have played and some fans forget all the fantastic performances and great goals that went before just because of the Everton game. It's pathetic.
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I'd be very interested to watch that Everton game again and see how badly he really did play, in reality as opposed to legend.
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He was a great player for Villa no doubt, but he was a disgrace and deserves comparisons with Hodge for his efforts (or lack of it) after the 86 world cup. Hodge dont compare to Dwight as wehad some great service, but the comment re Milner and all his clubs showed up Yorkes lack of professionalism to his club IMO. Milner knew he had a massive move coming, as I approached the ground I thought no way he is playing, but he was chosen and was MOTM by a country mile. He probably doesnt love our club, but he gave his all when he knew he was going to get stick and turned it around.
Yorke had given us 9 years service, where as Milner couldn't wait to get out at the first opportunity. I don't get the Milner love in on here, her only turned it on for about a season and half then couldn't wait to get out the door. The likes of Barry and Yorke are demonised where as Milner is lauded as practically a "legend". I'll never understand modern football fans.
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Up there with McGrath, Platt, Shaw, Little? really?
Without a doubt.
I agree with that regarding talent
I've watched Villa for 46 years and I think in all that time he's our best ever player. Player wise that's it.
Yorke as a person, I think he's a bit of a pratt. The badge kissing thing, Jordan etc.
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I'd be very interested to watch that Everton game again and see how badly he really did play, in reality as opposed to legend.
I was at the game as well and I remember him being poor but nowhere near as bad as fans make out now. It's like a bout of Chinese whispers which gets exaggerated every time it gets passed on.
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Yorke was a very fine player but he's no Villa great. It's not so much the awful performance at Everton but the parking outside Doug Ellis's house until he was allowed to talk to Man Utd that seals it for me.
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Why shouldn'thehave played against everton? Because his 'mind wasn't there'? He'sa professional footballer being paid a wage to do his job. And once your employed by Aston Villa, even if you maybe leaving, you do your job properly. If he had have played badly but put some effort in there fair enough, he'd cope some stick but nothing like what it is now. To see how you do it properly see:
Milner, J.
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I'm with you Dave. He should not have played in the first place. But why remember that one match over nearly ten years of great and exciting service. I will remember the good times and the fantastic atmosphere in the ground when he played. I know in my lifetime I have never had so much joy from one player in a Villa shirt. I loved McGrath too but he did not give me that buzz that Yorke did.
Agreed.
One lousy game where he really shouldn't have played and some fans forget all the fantastic performances and great goals that went before just because of the Everton game. It's pathetic.
Quite mental if you ask me. There is just so many fantastic memories in my head from his smile after scoring, a cheeky but of skill during a game, juggling the ball from the tunnel all the way to reaching the Holte and then volleying the ball into the crowd, that song, the goals, assists and meeting him after a match and being a real nice guy to me and my dad.
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I wasn't at the Everton game but can confirm he took the piss. Strolling around smoking a pipe while listening to the wireless and ignoring the game going on. I believe he even sat down and started picking blades of grass and tried whistling with them during one of our attacks.
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I wasn't at the Everton game but can confirm he took the piss. Strolling around smoking a pipe while listening to the wireless and ignoring the game going on. I believe he even sat down and started picking blades of grass and tried whistling with them during one of our attacks.
Give it a couple of decades and that'll be taken as gospel.
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He was a great player for Villa no doubt, but he was a disgrace and deserves comparisons with Hodge for his efforts (or lack of it) after the 86 world cup. Hodge dont compare to Dwight as wehad some great service, but the comment re Milner and all his clubs showed up Yorkes lack of professionalism to his club IMO. Milner knew he had a massive move coming, as I approached the ground I thought no way he is playing, but he was chosen and was MOTM by a country mile. He probably doesnt love our club, but he gave his all when he knew he was going to get stick and turned it around.
Yorke had given us 9 years service, where as Milner couldn't wait to get out at the first opportunity. I don't get the Milner love in on here, her only turned it on for about a season and half then couldn't wait to get out the door. The likes of Barry and Yorke are demonised where as Milner is lauded as practically a "legend". I'll never understand modern football fans.
I have no problems with Yorke going, he certainly deserved it and Man Utd was a massive move. He was a top top player and massive talent, but he showed a lack of class in leaving IMO.
As for Milner, not a legend IMO by a long long way, but he gave his all for the club in every game he played. As for him leaving, we were going downhill and everyone knew it, I dont blame him as long as he gives his best when going for the move
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One game over 9 years ?
He wasn't the quality striker he became for all of those 9 years though was he? I remember him being in and out of the side for a long time and him not even being in the matchday squad for the League Cup win over Manchester Utd in '94. He was top quality by the time he left us though and I'd have only put Shearer ahead of him in terms of Premier League strikers at that point.
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One game over 9 years ?
He wasn't the quality striker he became for all of those 9 years though was he? I remember him being in and out of the side for a long time and him not even being in the matchday squad for the League Cup win over Manchester Utd in '94. He was top quality by the time he left us though and I'd have only put Shearer ahead of him in terms of Premier League strikers at that point.
That's because he was pissed about by BFR.
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One game over 9 years ?
He wasn't the quality striker he became for all of those 9 years though was he? I remember him being in and out of the side for a long time and him not even being in the matchday squad for the League Cup win over Manchester Utd in '94. He was top quality by the time he left us though and I'd have only put Shearer ahead of him in terms of Premier League strikers at that point.
That's because he was pissed about by BFR.
To be fair at that time we probably had the best strike partnership around. Yorkie was invited to be involved in the build up from what I recall
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Up there with McGrath, Platt, Shaw, Little? really?
Off course he was. Look at his record, what he did, where he came from, his overall contribution. He played more games than Shaw, as many as Mcgrath and Little. Scored some great goals. So what he went to another team, the best team around at the time. So what he kissed a badge of an opponent. He was superb for us for many years.
And as for getting upset at not giving 100% you're not going to be able to field a five a side team if you only want players that give their all every game. I hope you weren't a fan of John Carew for example. I find this whole argument a but bizarre all because a player who was incredible for us, considers us his team went on to play for a team that furthered his career. Something that it is our fault that year after year we cannot offer to our players and they leave. It's as much on us if not more so than a player with a short career opportunity.
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First there was Platt, and then a lull, before I idolised Yorkie growing up. Man was a genius of a footballer. I still love the goal he scored on the volley at Southampton I am sure, towards the end of his last season with us. What a talent, and he proved it by winning what he won after he left.
Will always deservedly have a special spot on my favourite Villa player bus. Indeed in my side of watching Villa, he would walk into the starting line up.
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One game over 9 years ?
He wasn't the quality striker he became for all of those 9 years though was he? I remember him being in and out of the side for a long time and him not even being in the matchday squad for the League Cup win over Manchester Utd in '94. He was top quality by the time he left us though and I'd have only put Shearer ahead of him in terms of Premier League strikers at that point.
That's because he was pissed about by BFR.
To be fair at that time we probably had the best strike partnership around. Yorkie was invited to be involved in the build up from what I recall
I loved Deano and Dalian but by the time of that particular final there were far more prolific partnerships around - Cole/Beardsley, Rush/Fowler, Wallace/Deane, even Mark Bright and Gordon Watson at Sheff Wed were outscoring our pair of forwards. Dalian didn't score in the league after January and Deano struggled too but thanfully they still were on top form in that cup run. Wright and Shearer on their own still scored more than double the tally of Saunders and Atkinson combined that season. The following year Saunders had a more prolific league campaign but Dalian was dropped in favour of John Fashanu and we all know what happened there.
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One game over 9 years ?
He wasn't the quality striker he became for all of those 9 years though was he? I remember him being in and out of the side for a long time and him not even being in the matchday squad for the League Cup win over Manchester Utd in '94. He was top quality by the time he left us though and I'd have only put Shearer ahead of him in terms of Premier League strikers at that point.
That's because he was pissed about by BFR.
To be fair at that time we probably had the best strike partnership around. Yorkie was invited to be involved in the build up from what I recall
He was pissed about from 1992 onwards.
And hang on, Saunders and Atkinson the best strike partnership around? Dean 'one in three' Saunders and Dalian 'one week on, six weeks off' Atkinson?
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Yes Saunders and Atkinson were useless and no way would we have got nearer to the league without the injury to Atkinson, not having a go at Dwight but there is no way he could have split that duo at that time
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Yes Saunders and Atkinson were useless and no way would we have got nearer to the league without the injury to Atkinson, not having a go at Dwight but there is no way he could have split that duo at that time
In the run-in Yorke scored three in seven while Atkinson was missing/injured, then got dropped for the final seven matches in which Atkinson scored none. During those 14 games, incidentally, the ever-present Saunders scored once. Would you also care to guess, without looking it up, the last date on which Atkinson scored during that season?
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If it's all about effort, why aren't Olney or Ormandroyd or even steve sims 1988 version
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Yes Saunders and Atkinson were useless and no way would we have got nearer to the league without the injury to Atkinson, not having a go at Dwight but there is no way he could have split that duo at that time
In the run-in Yorke scored three in seven while Atkinson was missing/injured, then got dropped for the final seven matches in which Atkinson scored none. During those 14 games, incidentally, the ever-present Saunders scored once. Would you also care to guess, without looking it up, the last date on which Atkinson scored during that season?
I a, no stato, but what I do know is before Atkinson got injured, his partnership with Saunders was superb. If I had to pick out of the three of them in a Villa team I would go Yorke, but I am talking at that time.
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Yes Saunders and Atkinson were useless and no way would we have got nearer to the league without the injury to Atkinson, not having a go at Dwight but there is no way he could have split that duo at that time
In the run-in Yorke scored three in seven while Atkinson was missing/injured, then got dropped for the final seven matches in which Atkinson scored none. During those 14 games, incidentally, the ever-present Saunders scored once. Would you also care to guess, without looking it up, the last date on which Atkinson scored during that season?
I a, no stato, but what I do know is before Atkinson got injured, his partnership with Saunders was superb. If I had to pick out of the three of them in a Villa team I would go Yorke, but I am talking at that time.
Atkinson and Saunders played together in eleven league matches before Atkinson got injured. They had a decent record, but Atkinson scored his last goal on 5th December. After that he played in ten games without scoring. Saunders got six in 24 games in that time. When Yorke partnered Saunders he scored five in 11. Then he was dropped for Atkinson who, as I said earlier, didn't score in the final seven games of the season.
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I'd pretty much forgotten about the bad stuff and only have fond memories of Dwight Yorke. He's one of only two players from the Prem era that I'd unreservedly want to time travel back to see. The other is Le Tissier.
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Ron was always going to pick his son over Dwight though. I guess as well, Yorkie was still quite young so that probably figured in BFR's thinking, that Saunders and Atkinson were the experienced men.
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Yes Saunders and Atkinson were useless and no way would we have got nearer to the league without the injury to Atkinson, not having a go at Dwight but there is no way he could have split that duo at that time
Saunders and Atkinson were excellent for half a season, then Atkinson got injured and was never the same again and Saunders never prolific enough. We had two full seasons under BFR after that and there's absolutely no way in the world that you could claim Saunders and Atkinson were a top strike partnership after that. Absolutely no way. People were calling for Guy Whittingham to replace Dalian and the following year we bought John fucking Fashanu (who again went into the team).
Little spotted Yorke's potential as a striker pretty quickly.
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Up there with McGrath, Platt, Shaw, Little? really?
Yorke? Absolutely. He went on to play for a champions league and treble winning team and was one of their best players. Only Shaw equalled that feat. Obviously that's not the be all and end all but Yorke was absolutely sensational for me. That Little team was functional and effective but mid-table without Yorke. He had everything: could play number 9 or 10, and often both in the same game. Could head it, score of both feet, take it down on his chest with his back to goal, go past a man. Fantastic player. Just lacked the motivation to stay at the top after his first great year with Man U, and I do think lacked a little something to be effective against the very best defences. But the best attacking player I've seen at villa by a mile.
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Yorke didn't get a look in with Saunders and Atkinson fit. Good player, who gave good years service even though not always a first choice.
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gabby is more of an atkinson type player isnt he? goes through streaks where he looks one of the best players in the league but generally flatters to deceive.
young was our best attacking player since yorke but never got to that level. his shooting was never as good as Yorke's for a start. Think he kind of felt he was going to be a Yorke type of player towards the end of his time for us, playing off the front man. Thought Young flattered to deceive in that position, taking too much out of the ball.
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I'd say Gabby is the opposite of Atkinson. Dalian was dripping with talent but couldn't really be arsed.
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Yes Saunders and Atkinson were useless and no way would we have got nearer to the league without the injury to Atkinson, not having a go at Dwight but there is no way he could have split that duo at that time
Saunders and Atkinson were excellent for half a season, then Atkinson got injured and was never the same again and Saunders never prolific enough. We had two full seasons under BFR after that and there's absolutely no way in the world that you could claim Saunders and Atkinson were a top strike partnership after that. Absolutely no way. People were calling for Guy Whittingham to replace Dalian and the following year we bought John fucking Fashanu (who again went into the team).
Little spotted Yorke's potential as a striker pretty quickly.
I agree that Yorke became a better player than both but Atkinson and Saunders did win us a League Cup to be fair.
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Yes Saunders and Atkinson were useless and no way would we have got nearer to the league without the injury to Atkinson, not having a go at Dwight but there is no way he could have split that duo at that time
Saunders and Atkinson were excellent for half a season, then Atkinson got injured and was never the same again and Saunders never prolific enough. We had two full seasons under BFR after that and there's absolutely no way in the world that you could claim Saunders and Atkinson were a top strike partnership after that. Absolutely no way. People were calling for Guy Whittingham to replace Dalian and the following year we bought John fucking Fashanu (who again went into the team).
Little spotted Yorke's potential as a striker pretty quickly.
I agree that Yorke became a better player than both but Atkinson and Saunders did win us a League Cup to be fair.
So did Yorke. ;)
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Saunders scored in streaks. In his last season I remember he had a spell early January-Feb where he scored 7-8 goals in 9 games and was capable of decent scoring runs but he never really had a settled partner after Dalian's 1992-93 injury. Whittingham, Fenton, Fashanu, Yorke and Johnson, even Stefan Beinlich at times. BFR sometimes played 4-3-3 with Whttingham, Atkinson and Deano up front but it just didn't work. A lot of the time Deano would drift out to the wings a because he was receiving zero service. Unlike Dalian he always gave 100% work rate. His best supplier of goals were Froggatt and Parker but Froggy got injured and Parker struggled to get in the team once we bought Townsend. In the league cup season Dalian's last league goal came in January but thankfully he still looked interested in the cup. I would argue that Yorke/Savo was a much better partnership overall but Dalian and Deano when on song were a match for any defence.
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I think both Atkinson and Saunders (particularly) were more old fashioned sort of strikers. Deano was that sort who'll run solidly for 90 minutes and liked to find pockets of space in the box. Atkinson was a beast, quick and powerful. In Saunders cases you knew what you'd get from him. Atkinson, when on form, you knew what you'd get but he was of course erratic.
Yorke for me was one of those forwards who was ahead of his time. Able to drop either with the touch and ability of a good midfielder. He had a bit of unpredictability. He's that number 10 kind of player. I'm not sure those kind of players were massively popular back then. Beardsley was one example, or Le Tiss. But the more old school managers, which Big Ron is (he's almost the archetypal 70's-80's football manager) probably preferred a more straight up front two. You had the strength and pace of Atkinson and the movement and workrate of Deano, and it often worked. I'm not sure that Big Ron would have been a big exponent of playing a dropped off forward. Little did that. He let Yorke play in the pocket (or just where-ever he wanted).
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Both Savo and Yorke were different in that both had supreme talent in holding up the ball, both being exceptionally skilful. Deano and Dalian both generally were called upon to chase through balls with their pace rather than hold up the ball waiting for the midfield to catch up. Kevin Keegan called it right in the 1994 Coca-Cola Cup Final when he said Man United could hold the ball up with Mark Hughes but Deano for all his qualities was a much smaller presence and not so good at it. Dalian could do it if he was interested but as people said he didn't do it enough.
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
This. He can say what he like now but we know what he is!
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
This. He can say what he like now but we know what he is!
So what? He scored a shit load of goals for us and was a fantastic player for Villa. That's what I'll remember.
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saunders_heroes, I totally agree he was a fantastic player for Villa and will always be remembered by me as one of the best players in my 43 years of watching them . Still think his way of leaving was wrong, dont blame him for leaving for Man Ure but not the way he did it
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His love for us didn't stop him kissing the Man Utd badge in front of us at Old Trafford.
This. He can say what he like now but we know what he is!
So what? He scored a shit load of goals for us and was a fantastic player for Villa. That's what I'll remember.
Exactly, it was many happy days when Yorke was here. Blimey haven't we all made mistake in life? I sure have, especially in the heat of the moment when emotions are running high.
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Well everyone is entitled to their opinion. I prefer heroes like Little, Shaw, Mortimer, Cowans and Taylor. Really don't care about Yorke once he left and his badge kissing antics.
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They all want to come back here. Sports Forums R Us.
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Someone who says he cares about the club like Yorke does,would do what the likes of Ramsey did against Cardiff or even Curtis Davis did against the baggies and not celebrate .Would not be surprised to see him cheering if the reds score tomorrow
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This whole not celebrating against your former club is all a bit false and the concept is very recent. I don't recall it happening much during Yorke's day where you'd go out of your way not to celebrate.
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All about opinions Toronto, i was at Old Trafford that day and i will always remember him for that badge kissing and his words upon joining Small Heath than for anything else End of as far as i am concerned
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All about opinions Toronto, i was at Old Trafford that day and i will always remember him for that badge kissing and his words upon joining Small Heath than for anything else End of as far as i am concerned
What do you think of Andy Gray?
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As a player for villa in his first spell i thought he was the best centre forward i had ever seen for his bravery and his goals. As a person though,i never really liked him
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As a player for villa in his first spell i thought he was the best centre forward i had ever seen for his bravery and his goals. As a person though,i never really liked him
He did a lot more against us after he left - three times - than Dwight Yorke ever has.
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So what has that got to do with me disliking the antics of Yorke ?
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So what has that got to do with me disliking the antics of Yorke ?
Just wondered if you thought the same about him.
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Yes i do think the same about him , give me the likes of Aitken, Withe,Shaw,Laursen, Little and Angel anytime,i have never seen or heard them run the villa down
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when did Yorke run down the Villa? He's never said a bad word about us or his time at the club.
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Saying that Birmingham City were the biggest club in Birmingham is not running the Villa down ? Think maybe you have been away from home to long Toronto.
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Saying that Birmingham City were the biggest club in Birmingham is not running the Villa down ? Think maybe you have been away from home to long Toronto.
he didn't actually say that though did he?
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Every villa fan i have ever spoke to regarding that statement has said the same thing, he disrespected the club .
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He said it according to the papers and radio i read and listened to at the time ,was they making it up then ?
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I have thought about what I said on Yorke yesterday and I am now of an opinion that I have been very kind. The man is a loathsome opportunist and never to be trusted regardless of what he is saying now.
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I love Dwight Yorke. I also love Gareth Barry, Ashley Young and Darius Vassell who all left in relatively bad terms. There, I said it!
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Yorkie said some silly things when he joined SHA (as you'd imagine he was obliged to by them) but it wasn't like he lasted very long and I'd forgotten he'd had that run in with Sullivan over the racism at Blackburn.