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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chico Hamilton III on December 09, 2013, 09:13:53 AM
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
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They need to go again and again to the training ground until at least one of our players can't pass it 5 yards to one of his team mates. At the moment that's a struggle.
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Or fucking throw ins
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
Exactly. Absolutely pointless thread.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
Flibbidy flobbidy floo.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
"We are making far to many basic errors and we will be sorting this out before the next game." Would be nice.
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What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
If you plotted a graph of our league position so far this season, I think you'd see a steady upward curve, other than the large variances from the earliest parts of the season, so I'm not sure how that's '1 step forwards, 2steps back'?
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What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
If you plotted a graph of our league position so far this season, I think you'd see a steady upward curve, other than the large variances from the earliest parts of the season, so I'm not sure how that's '1 step forwards, 2steps back'?
Fulham have a new manager and we're not really good enough yet to sustain an extended unbeaten run. Something was going to give.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
"We are making far to many basic errors and we will be sorting this out before the next game." Would be nice.
Indeed.
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Fuck me. Some sensitive souls on here today. It was meant to be a light hearted nod towards a well worn Lambert phrase
If you plotted a graph of our league position so far this season, I think you'd see a steady upward curve, other than the large variances from the earliest parts of the season, so I'm not sure how that's '1 step forwards, 2steps back'?
I'm a football fan, not a fucking A-level maths nerd and the day I start plotting graphs to console myself after a shit performance is the day I give up. I was comparing the Southampton result with the Fulham one.
Great to meet Darren Woolley in the pub before the game yesterday, by the way
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Fuck me. Some sensitive souls on here today. It was meant to be a light hearted nod towards a well worn Lambert phrase
If you plotted a graph of our league position so far this season, I think you'd see a steady upward curve, other than the large variances from the earliest parts of the season, so I'm not sure how that's '1 step forwards, 2steps back'?
I'm a football fan, not a fucking A-level maths nerd and the day I start plotting graphs to console myself after a shit performance is the day I give up. I was comparing the Southampton result with the Fulham one.
Great to meet Darren Woolley in the pub before the game yesterday, by the way
All this graphs and charts stuff makes me wonder where villadawg ever disappeared to?
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Probably a little too 'statty' granted, but just trying to basically say that we're moving slowly up the league despite yesterday's result, so something somewhere is going right.
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Probably a little too 'statty' granted, but just trying to basically say that we're moving slowly up the league despite yesterday's result, so something somewhere is going right.
That's a fair point. And we were saying yesterday that it's almost eaxctly 12 months since the 8 niller at Chelsea so things are obviously improving over last season. I suppose that just highlights how bad we were last season though and not how well we're doing this season. Sorry for the snotty response earlier.
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Great to meet Darren Woolley in the pub before the game yesterday, by the way
Chico: "How will I know you, Darren?"
Darren: "I'll be carrying a copy of John Harkes's autobiography".
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PS only joshing, Daz.
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Probably a little too 'statty' granted, but just trying to basically say that we're moving slowly up the league despite yesterday's result, so something somewhere is going right.
That's a fair point. And we were saying yesterday that it's almost eaxctly 12 months since the 8 niller at Chelsea so things are obviously improving over last season. I suppose that just highlights how bad we were last season though and not how well we're doing this season. Sorry for the snotty response earlier.
Don't worry - I didn't read as being snotty at all!
Mid table mediocrity is nothing to shout from the roof tops about for a club like ours, even if it is an improvement from 12 months ago. But, and here's where we may differ, I see it as a stepping stone to getting back to the business end of the table. We can't go from the McLeish period and early part of Lambert's tenure back to where MON had us straight away and need to go though a more natural growth and progression.
If this is the height of what we can expect from the approach we have now then it is time for a rethink, but as long as we keep progressing then I happy to sit back and see where it takes us.
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I don't read too much into it, because, as others have said, he has to say something.
He does have a pretty limited range of press phrases, mind. Obviously, "we go again" is the best one, but also "We'll give it a right good go", "He's been brilliant for me" (when referring to any player who has done OK over a period of time), and he likes to roll out the word "unplayable" quite a lot, too.
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I'm used to it now to be honest, it dose'nt bother me in the slightest.
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I've also noticed he's a frequent offender when it comes to the spurious use of the word "football" before "club" - one of my pet hates.
For example, he'll say things like "he's been great for the football club", "we're just trying to improve the football club", "we'll try to bring players in to the football club" and so on. There is really no need for the word "football", we know you're not talking about a bingo club or a golf club.
He's far from the worst case, though, there are plenty of people in the game who are worse than him. I don't know why they do it, it's like some verbal tic they've picked up from watching other managers talk on MOTD.
Gets right on my tits. Almost to the extent of people who go into shops or cafes and when ordering, begin their sentence with "Can I get ....". Animals. Absolute animals.
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I've also noticed he's a frequent offender when it comes to the spurious use of the word "football" before "club" - one of my pet hates.
For example, he'll say things like "he's been great for the football club", "we're just trying to improve the football club", "we'll try to bring players in to the football club" and so on. There is really no need for the word "football", we know you're not talking about a bingo club or a golf club.
He's far from the worst case, though, there are plenty of people in the game who are worse than him. I don't know why they do it, it's like some verbal tic they've picked up from watching other managers talk on MOTD.
Gets right on my tits. Almost to the extent of people who go into shops or cafes and when ordering, begin their sentence with "Can I get ....". Animals. Absolute animals.
You do realise that admitting to this pet hate will more than likely result in many H&V posters now doing it just to annoy you, don't you?
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I've also noticed he's a frequent offender when it comes to the spurious use of the word "football" before "club" - one of my pet hates.
For example, he'll say things like "he's been great for the football club", "we're just trying to improve the football club", "we'll try to bring players in to the football club" and so on. There is really no need for the word "football", we know you're not talking about a bingo club or a golf club.
He's far from the worst case, though, there are plenty of people in the game who are worse than him. I don't know why they do it, it's like some verbal tic they've picked up from watching other managers talk on MOTD.
Gets right on my tits. Almost to the extent of people who go into shops or cafes and when ordering, begin their sentence with "Can I get ....". Animals. Absolute animals.
You do realise that admitting to this pet hate will more than likely result in many H&V posters now doing it just to annoy you, don't you?
It doesn't work in an internet forum, it has to happen in front of me, either in person or on telly.
See, you lot, you're just text on a screen to me, with as much relevance as, say, the Argos web site, or Shafali Oza's twitter.
No offence. Noffence.
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I've also noticed he's a frequent offender when it comes to the spurious use of the word "football" before "club" - one of my pet hates.
For example, he'll say things like "he's been great for the football club", "we're just trying to improve the football club", "we'll try to bring players in to the football club" and so on. There is really no need for the word "football", we know you're not talking about a bingo club or a golf club.
He's far from the worst case, though, there are plenty of people in the game who are worse than him. I don't know why they do it, it's like some verbal tic they've picked up from watching other managers talk on MOTD.
Gets right on my tits. Almost to the extent of people who go into shops or cafes and when ordering, begin their sentence with "Can I get ....". Animals. Absolute animals.
You do realise that admitting to this pet hate will more than likely result in many H&V posters now doing it just to annoy you, don't you?
It doesn't work in an internet forum, it has to happen in front of me, either in person or on telly.
See, you lot, you're just text on a screen to me, with as much relevance as, say, the Argos web site, or Shafali Oza's twitter.
No offence. Noffence.
Can we please get back on to what's best for the football club.
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We are a marginal team at the moment. Equally capable of winning or losing a match against any opposition. Yesterday was Fulham's day. The had the run of the ball or say the ref and we are not good enough to over come such events. So we go again!
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I've also noticed he's a frequent offender when it comes to the spurious use of the word "football" before "club" - one of my pet hates.
For example, he'll say things like "he's been great for the football club", "we're just trying to improve the football club", "we'll try to bring players in to the football club" and so on. There is really no need for the word "football", we know you're not talking about a bingo club or a golf club.
He's far from the worst case, though, there are plenty of people in the game who are worse than him. I don't know why they do it, it's like some verbal tic they've picked up from watching other managers talk on MOTD.
Gets right on my tits. Almost to the extent of people who go into shops or cafes and when ordering, begin their sentence with "Can I get ....". Animals. Absolute animals.
You do realise that admitting to this pet hate will more than likely result in many H&V posters now doing it just to annoy you, don't you?
It doesn't work in an internet forum, it has to happen in front of me, either in person or on telly.
See, you lot, you're just text on a screen to me, with as much relevance as, say, the Argos web site, or Shafali Oza's twitter.
No offence. Noffence.
Can we please get back on to what's best for the football club.
(http://i.imgur.com/2ujHPCD.gif)
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I've also noticed he's a frequent offender when it comes to the spurious use of the word "football" before "club" - one of my pet hates.
For example, he'll say things like "he's been great for the football club", "we're just trying to improve the football club", "we'll try to bring players in to the football club" and so on. There is really no need for the word "football", we know you're not talking about a bingo club or a golf club.
He's far from the worst case, though, there are plenty of people in the game who are worse than him. I don't know why they do it, it's like some verbal tic they've picked up from watching other managers talk on MOTD.
Gets right on my tits. Almost to the extent of people who go into shops or cafes and when ordering, begin their sentence with "Can I get ....". Animals. Absolute animals.
You do realise that admitting to this pet hate will more than likely result in many H&V posters now doing it just to annoy you, don't you?
No need to loose your rag because of bad habits picked up off of the telly.
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I can recall Benteke doing an interview last season with some of his mates. They were sat in a hotel room shooting the breeze when Benteke asks "what is a ******? My manager calls me a ******, what does it mean?".
Hazard was polite enough to suggest the c-bomb meant "idiot".
I think its fair to say that Lambert tells the players and the public two different things.
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What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
If you plotted a graph of our league position so far this season, I think you'd see a steady upward curve, other than the large variances from the earliest parts of the season, so I'm not sure how that's '1 step forwards, 2steps back'?
Yep, two steps forward and one step back would be how I see it. We're going to get results like this and just have to take it on the chin. Just forget about it and move on.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Good grief, do you really think this? I know most of us have wiped the McLeish era from our memories as much as we can, but can you actually physically recall it? Or how about the end of last season, where everything clicked and we were one of the best sides to watch in the division?
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That's all very well saying on step forward and two steps back, if you think the Southampton game was a step forward. I happen to think it wasn't. It was in terms of the result, but in terms of the performance it was every bit as bad as Fulham.
We will get fluke results like Southampton because we do have some quality players in the team that can do things like that, but it doesn't mean we have progressed, far from it. We are playing players out of position, a centre forward woefully out of form, our best defender missing and a general lack of tactical astuteness - other than the pass to Luna for the third goal at Arsenal, can anyone tell me what Weimann has added to the team this year? Yet we still stick to that formation. Time to try something else, Paul.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Good grief, do you really think this? I know most of us have wiped the McLeish era from our memories as much as we can, but can you actually physically recall it? Or how about the end of last season, where everything clicked and we were one of the best sides to watch in the division?
Yes, I really don't rate Lambert. Mcleish was a disaster but the football this season is no better and in many cases worse. It's ok pick pocketing a few results but that never continues. Eventually this season we will have to play better to continue picking up results and as great as 10th supposedly is we are 6 points and 1 small bad run off relegation positions. You can conversely say we are 1 good run off being in the top 8 but us going on a good run picking up consecutive wins looks more less likely because of our performances, and I seriously doubt if this man if capable of
A. Picking the right team
B. Picking the right formation
C. Drilling the team well on the basics
D. Picking up more players that will improve us on our budget
I'm not a believer in Lambert, In Lambert I don't trust.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Don't be ridiculous. Wimbledon had a midfield.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Good grief, do you really think this? I know most of us have wiped the McLeish era from our memories as much as we can, but can you actually physically recall it? Or how about the end of last season, where everything clicked and we were one of the best sides to watch in the division?
Yes, I really don't rate Lambert. Mcleish was a disaster but the football this season is no better and in many cases worse. It's ok pick pocketing a few results but that never continues. Eventually this season we will have to play better to continue picking up results and as great as 10th supposedly is we are 6 points and 1 small bad run off relegation positions. You can conversely say we are 1 good run off being in the top 8 but us going on a good run picking up consecutive wins looks more less likely because of our performances, and I seriously doubt if this man if capable of
A. Picking the right team
B. Picking the right formation
C. Drilling the team well on the basics
D. Picking up more players that will improve us on our budget
I'm not a believer in Lambert, In Lambert I don't trust.
I'm with you. Clueless doesn't come close.
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Yes, for you two, clueless doesn't come close.
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Gets right on my tits. Almost to the extent of people who go into shops or cafes and when ordering, begin their sentence with "Can I get ....". Animals. Absolute animals.
That boils my piss and all. Fucking American shite.
No, you can't fucking 'get' it, you may ask for it and the person behind the counter will get it for you if they have it.
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That's all very well saying on step forward and two steps back, if you think the Southampton game was a step forward. I happen to think it wasn't. It was in terms of the result, but in terms of the performance it was every bit as bad as Fulham.
We will get fluke results like Southampton because we do have some quality players in the team that can do things like that, but it doesn't mean we have progressed, far from it. We are playing players out of position, a centre forward woefully out of form, our best defender missing and a general lack of tactical astuteness - other than the pass to Luna for the third goal at Arsenal, can anyone tell me what Weimann has added to the team this year? Yet we still stick to that formation. Time to try something else, Paul.
Well, the winner against Man City springs to mind.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Good grief, do you really think this? I know most of us have wiped the McLeish era from our memories as much as we can, but can you actually physically recall it? Or how about the end of last season, where everything clicked and we were one of the best sides to watch in the division?
Yes, I really don't rate Lambert. Mcleish was a disaster but the football this season is no better and in many cases worse. It's ok pick pocketing a few results but that never continues. Eventually this season we will have to play better to continue picking up results and as great as 10th supposedly is we are 6 points and 1 small bad run off relegation positions. You can conversely say we are 1 good run off being in the top 8 but us going on a good run picking up consecutive wins looks more less likely because of our performances, and I seriously doubt if this man if capable of
A. Picking the right team
B. Picking the right formation
C. Drilling the team well on the basics
D. Picking up more players that will improve us on our budget
I'm not a believer in Lambert, In Lambert I don't trust.
Which is exactly what lots of people were saying two thirds of the way into last season and guess what haoppened? And this season we at least have a solid defence as a better starting point.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Good grief, do you really think this? I know most of us have wiped the McLeish era from our memories as much as we can, but can you actually physically recall it? Or how about the end of last season, where everything clicked and we were one of the best sides to watch in the division?
Yes, I really don't rate Lambert. Mcleish was a disaster but the football this season is no better and in many cases worse. It's ok pick pocketing a few results but that never continues. Eventually this season we will have to play better to continue picking up results and as great as 10th supposedly is we are 6 points and 1 small bad run off relegation positions. You can conversely say we are 1 good run off being in the top 8 but us going on a good run picking up consecutive wins looks more less likely because of our performances, and I seriously doubt if this man if capable of
A. Picking the right team
B. Picking the right formation
C. Drilling the team well on the basics
D. Picking up more players that will improve us on our budget
I'm not a believer in Lambert, In Lambert I don't trust.
Which is exactly what lots of people were saying two thirds of the way into last season and guess what haoppened? And this season we at least have a solid defence as a better starting point.
The big worry some on here is that equally we've seen how we can capitulate as a season progresses. We're strikingly similar to McLeish's side at the moment. It was going reasonably well with him until January, where we looked safe and comfy in mid-table. We'd been poor but ground out results in spite of our horrible brand of football.
Then a couple of injuries to key players and we suddenly looked absolutely awful and should have gone down.
If Lambert takes affirmative action I've no problem with him, but at the moment he seems fine with how things are. But we're playing a dangerous game. We've been incredibly fortunate over our unbeaten run. Our luck ran out yesterday and Vlaar was sorely missed. What if Guzan were to get injured? That's a very scary thought. I'd also hate to lose Delph, Gabby or even Benteke (As poor as he's been of late) for any length of time.
There's a fine line between being a solid mid-table side and fighting for your life at the bottom. If we carry on playing so poorly do I think we'll stay mid-table or fall dangerously near the drop zone? I would say the latter. He's got to get a suitable line up and try and cut out the pub team errors. The players look clueless on the ball and that's his doing.
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Its not results like yesterday that worry me - as others have said we will get results like that in the same way we will get very lucky wins like we did against Southampton. What worries me is the complete lack of any kind of tactics/style other than work hard and hope something happens. I was just looking at our match results this season and trying to remember the last time we played well for a whole match (or at least a majority of the match). Chelsea away, 2nd game of the season is what I came up with. We do not appear to have any idea what we are doing. I lose count of the amount of throw-ins we have where we give the ball away as the thrower only has at most 1 option to throw to. How many times do we get caught out with a quick free-kick or corner? Sunderland must have done it to use 3 or 4 times in 1 match. Happened again yesterday. I'm generally a glass half full kind of bloke but at the moment I think we are in big trouble. It is easy to look at the table at the moment and be positive but we are a lot closer to the bottom 3 than 10th suggests and if results dont go our way over the next month its going to be deja vu last season. Only difference is, we don't have a striker in the form of his life to get us out of it this year. One final comment - Benteke - one season wonder - discuss?
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Its not results like yesterday that worry me - as others have said we will get results like that in the same way we will get very lucky wins like we did against Southampton. What worries me is the complete lack of any kind of tactics/style other than work hard and hope something happens. I was just looking at our match results this season and trying to remember the last time we played well for a whole match (or at least a majority of the match). Chelsea away, 2nd game of the season is what I came up with. We do not appear to have any idea what we are doing. I lose count of the amount of throw-ins we have where we give the ball away as the thrower only has at most 1 option to throw to. How many times do we get caught out with a quick free-kick or corner? Sunderland must have done it to use 3 or 4 times in 1 match. Happened again yesterday. I'm generally a glass half full kind of bloke but at the moment I think we are in big trouble. It is easy to look at the table at the moment and be positive but we are a lot closer to the bottom 3 than 10th suggests and if results dont go our way over the next month its going to be deja vu last season. Only difference is, we don't have a striker in the form of his life to get us out of it this year. One final comment - Benteke - one season wonder - discuss?
The funny thing about Benteke is, that yesterday he had 2-3 chances that 5 months ago he'd have buried. I think part of it is second season syndrome. Part is injuries (and he's a yard or two short of pace compared to last season), part is lack of application and a big part is confidence. All this adds up to him looking like a bad Heskey impersonator.
I do think though that one in off the arse or something and he'll look a different player. But I would be dropping him for the next game because Libor deserves a go.
For me we played extremely well in the first two games. We deserved 6 points, we got three. Since then it's been a mish mash of fortune, 20 minute spells of playing well in a few matches, a lot of huffing and puffing, but worryingly, never with a clear game plan and utterly abysmal passing. Not simply down to poor players, but no clear system, no organisiton, composure, and just really, awful, glaring errors. We've won two games this season 3-2 with around 30% possession and 3-4 shots on target. That won't happen too many more times. That's fortunate. More often than not we'll lose those games for the remainder of the season.
What I'd like to see, ASAP is the mid 3 of Sylla, Delph and Westwood, with the front three of Andi, Gabby and Benteke and Lowton at right back. It worked last season. At the very least Lambert needs to give that a couple of games to see if we can recapture some of that attacking play. Granted with Andy and Benteke in woeful form it might be hard, but we've got to try something. KEA can't keep on vanishing in games as he has been. He's such a poor player.
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Agree with everything you say Supertom. What has Lowton done wrong? Bacuna is not a right back - what about Lowton with bacuna right midfield which I'm sure is what we bought him to do. Weimann was a million miles my favourite player last season but what has he done this season (he scored winner against Man City I know) and yet he gets picked seemingly every time he's fit but Lowton doesn't get a look in
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Yes, for you two, clueless doesn't come close.
Grow up.
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Every manager eventually has a catchphrase that makes me wantt to punch the radio or kick the TV in. Lambert's 'we go again' and 'we gave it a right good go' are up there with Little's 'for sure'
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It seems there are quite a few moving to the lambert out camp in recent weeks - I'm still of the opinion we should stick with him and see where we are in the summer but I can understand those that have lost faith - the next two months will tell us a lot about lambert and his team .
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The big worry some on here is that equally we've seen how we can capitulate as a season progresses. We're strikingly similar to McLeish's side at the moment. It was going reasonably well with him until January, where we looked safe and comfy in mid-table. We'd been poor but ground out results in spite of our horrible brand of football.
Then a couple of injuries to key players and we suddenly looked absolutely awful and should have gone down.
If Lambert takes affirmative action I've no problem with him, but at the moment he seems fine with how things are. But we're playing a dangerous game. We've been incredibly fortunate over our unbeaten run. Our luck ran out yesterday and Vlaar was sorely missed. What if Guzan were to get injured? That's a very scary thought. I'd also hate to lose Delph, Gabby or even Benteke (As poor as he's been of late) for any length of time.
There's a fine line between being a solid mid-table side and fighting for your life at the bottom. If we carry on playing so poorly do I think we'll stay mid-table or fall dangerously near the drop zone? I would say the latter. He's got to get a suitable line up and try and cut out the pub team errors. The players look clueless on the ball and that's his doing.
The bit that gets me about this way of thinking is that there never seems to be an acknowledgement that it could easily go the other way. We clicked around Jan time last season, so who's to say we won't this time around also?
Ultimately, we're a midtable side, so losing a few key players could indeed see us drop into the relegation mix, but the same could be said for half the league.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-holds-sway-6386716
"In among the standard discussion about the Premier League’s ‘big clubs’, Aston Villa fan Josh held the attention of the 606 presenters and enjoyed a chunk of national air-time with his call about the claret and blues.
It was rare to hear a fan being given such scope to discuss one of our local teams on the 6-0-6 programme, but do you agree with the way Josh represented the current state of affairs at the club?"
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I'm not getting too carried away with this midtable talk because lose the next 2 and we could be in the bottom 6 or even lower - equally win the next 2 and we will look far more comfortable in mid-table - it is really tight right now with 6 points between 10th and 19th .
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Fuck me. Some sensitive souls on here today. It was meant to be a light hearted nod towards a well worn Lambert phrase
If you plotted a graph of our league position so far this season, I think you'd see a steady upward curve, other than the large variances from the earliest parts of the season, so I'm not sure how that's '1 step forwards, 2steps back'?
I'm a football fan, not a fucking A-level maths nerd and the day I start plotting graphs to console myself after a shit performance is the day I give up. I was comparing the Southampton result with the Fulham one.
Great to meet Darren Woolley in the pub before the game yesterday, by the way
It was also great to meet you Chico.
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Josh talks a lot of sense.
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We should stick with Lambert, but he needs to start addressing our glaring issues. We have got a few decent results lately, but it's almost been inspite of our performances. We need to start performing well and consistent results will follow from that.
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I'm not a fan of Lambert but there's only so much he can do with the budget Lerner hands to him. All in all we're just painful to watch and it just isn't good enough.
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Yes, for you two, clueless doesn't come close.
Grow up.
In fairness, and I mean no offence here and I'm not even referring to what you had posted, that was a bit of an open goal you let gaping there, wasn't it?
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Yes, for you two, clueless doesn't come close.
Grow up.
In fairness, and I mean no offence here and I'm not even referring to what you had posted, that was a bit of an open goal you let gaping there, wasn't it?
Maybe, but people being childish because others don't agree with them.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Good grief, do you really think this? I know most of us have wiped the McLeish era from our memories as much as we can, but can you actually physically recall it? Or how about the end of last season, where everything clicked and we were one of the best sides to watch in the division?
Yes, I really don't rate Lambert. Mcleish was a disaster but the football this season is no better and in many cases worse. It's ok pick pocketing a few results but that never continues. Eventually this season we will have to play better to continue picking up results and as great as 10th supposedly is we are 6 points and 1 small bad run off relegation positions. You can conversely say we are 1 good run off being in the top 8 but us going on a good run picking up consecutive wins looks more less likely because of our performances, and I seriously doubt if this man if capable of
A. Picking the right team
B. Picking the right formation
C. Drilling the team well on the basics
D. Picking up more players that will improve us on our budget
I'm not a believer in Lambert, In Lambert I don't trust.
Which is exactly what lots of people were saying two thirds of the way into last season and guess what haoppened? And this season we at least have a solid defence as a better starting point.
The big worry some on here is that equally we've seen how we can capitulate as a season progresses.
What was that stat? Most comebacks in the league this season? No points dropped from winning positions?
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Yes, for you two, clueless doesn't come close.
Grow up.
No, I'm content living in an innocent world of fairies and pixies, where we'll find some form over the next few weeks and finish the season strongly.
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The big worry some on here is that equally we've seen how we can capitulate as a season progresses. We're strikingly similar to McLeish's side at the moment. It was going reasonably well with him until January, where we looked safe and comfy in mid-table. We'd been poor but ground out results in spite of our horrible brand of football.
Then a couple of injuries to key players and we suddenly looked absolutely awful and should have gone down.
If Lambert takes affirmative action I've no problem with him, but at the moment he seems fine with how things are. But we're playing a dangerous game. We've been incredibly fortunate over our unbeaten run. Our luck ran out yesterday and Vlaar was sorely missed. What if Guzan were to get injured? That's a very scary thought. I'd also hate to lose Delph, Gabby or even Benteke (As poor as he's been of late) for any length of time.
There's a fine line between being a solid mid-table side and fighting for your life at the bottom. If we carry on playing so poorly do I think we'll stay mid-table or fall dangerously near the drop zone? I would say the latter. He's got to get a suitable line up and try and cut out the pub team errors. The players look clueless on the ball and that's his doing.
The bit that gets me about this way of thinking is that there never seems to be an acknowledgement that it could easily go the other way. We clicked around Jan time last season, so who's to say we won't this time around also?
Ultimately, we're a midtable side, so losing a few key players could indeed see us drop into the relegation mix, but the same could be said for half the league.
I can certainly acknowledge we could go on a good run but the way we're playing is ultimately more likely to lend itself to a bad run IMO. Again some players can drag you through games with quality and experience. To some extent Concrete Ron has been doing that this season in defence.
Lamberts got enough quality at his disposal to put out a side who can string 5 passes together or look like they've got some kind of idea what they're doing. At the moment it's all a bit frantic. The sheer amount of hard work will only get us so far. There's no excuses at Prem level for giving the ball away as readily as we do, even with simple passes.
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How long do people think he has before the crowd start to turn on him?
Personally, I'm a little worried but I don't want him out just yet. I want to see some improvement in the performances by the end of the season though.
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The things we lacked last season were defensive solidity and a bit of character when things weren't going well. We've got them now.
What we now seem to lack is any form of free flowing attack. However, we know from last season that this team is capable of that, so I have confidence we'll get back to it. Injuries and lack of form have hurt our main attacking trio this season.
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That's all very well saying on step forward and two steps back, if you think the Southampton game was a step forward. I happen to think it wasn't. It was in terms of the result, but in terms of the performance it was every bit as bad as Fulham.
We will get fluke results like Southampton because we do have some quality players in the team that can do things like that, but it doesn't mean we have progressed, far from it. We are playing players out of position, a centre forward woefully out of form, our best defender missing and a general lack of tactical astuteness - other than the pass to Luna for the third goal at Arsenal, can anyone tell me what Weimann has added to the team this year? Yet we still stick to that formation. Time to try something else, Paul.
Well, the winner against Man City springs to mind.
True, but at the same time that was gift-wrapped for him. Are you going to argue that he's been good value this season? I can't see how anyone could.
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By the standards Weimann set himself last season, he has been very poor so far.
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Just a bit of fun - before anyone has a go. I've done a quick press search to see how many times Lambert says "we go again". Hundreds of results but I could only be arsed to copy and paste a handful:
Yesterday - Lambert said: 'I don't think we did enough to win the game. 'If you lose any game you're always disappointed but you pick yourself up and go again.'
December 2 - "Hopefully we won't have too many knocks. We will go again on Wednesday at Southampton and then we have another game at Fulham on Sunday."
November 25 - Lambert would love a repeat of Benteke's Hawthorns special last time around And he added: "It was just a world-class goal. What he has done is set himself an extremely high standard.He has to go again now."
September 29 - "You can't live on your past glories, that's important. You don't dwell. You enjoy, yes. But you go into work and you're ready to go again."
September 23 - Lambert said. "I can understand their frustration. I had three great years here but it doesn't seem like that. That's the way a lot of people will portray it. I know what happened. That's football. You pick yourself up and go again. My Job now is for Aston Villa."
July 4 – “ You have to go again then again and every year you have to step up to the plate and this year will be no differen”.
May 13 - “Without Christian, we still looked really good, and you’ve got to just pick yourself up and go again."
May 4th - And he concluded, more in hope than confident expectation: ‘Two games left, we dust ourselves down and go again.'.
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How long do people think he has before the crowd start to turn on him?
If we're still mid table by the end of the season then he'll be fine. If we're still mid table and playing in the same haphazard way this time next year then, yes, the fans will be getting restless.
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A top 12 finish will keep most off his back , a bottom 6 finish and quite a few may turn , but he really needs to get the team playing a better style of football at home .
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"Well, I'm glad you asked me that question; all I can say is we picked ourselves up and we were woeful again"
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"Well, I'm glad you asked me that question; all I can say is we picked ourselves up and we were woeful again"
We go again.
:)
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I really don't care about the words he uses ultimately. It would be refreshing to hear something more candid or just different. Ultimately if the team is performing then manager or player speak becomes white noise.
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How long do people think he has before the crowd start to turn on him?
If we're still mid table by the end of the season then he'll be fine. If we're still mid table and playing in the same haphazard way this time next year then, yes, the fans will be getting restless.
well the booing has already started hasn't it?, i can't pretend i'm surprised either.
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So yet again it was lamberts fault, yea we looked tired and lethargic and never got going but was it lamberts fault that we had a terrible penalty decision against us and it was lamberts fault that guzan never stayed on his line for sidwells goal.
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So yet again it was lamberts fault, yea we looked tired and lethargic and never got going but was it lamberts fault that we had a terrible penalty decision against us and it was lamberts fault that guzan never stayed on his line for sidwells goal.
he has some responsibility though to how we play and whether we learn from our mistakes though. Yes, the players are the ones who are passing the ball and creating chances but the manager is paid to ensure that we improve in all aspects of the game. When it goes well he should be commended and when it doesn't he has to be accountable. I don't think that is too much to ask.
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How long do people think he has before the crowd start to turn on him?
If we're still mid table by the end of the season then he'll be fine. If we're still mid table and playing in the same haphazard way this time next year then, yes, the fans will be getting restless.
well the booing has already started hasn't it?, i can't pretend i'm surprised either.
Mind you there aren't many premiership teams who haven't been booed off at some point already this season, it's what fans do these days.
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So yet again it was lamberts fault, yea we looked tired and lethargic and never got going but was it lamberts fault that we had a terrible penalty decision against us and it was lamberts fault that guzan never stayed on his line for sidwells goal.
he has some responsibility though to how we play and whether we learn from our mistakes though. Yes, the players are the ones who are passing the ball and creating chances but the manager is paid to ensure that we improve in all aspects of the game. When it goes well he should be commended and when it doesn't he has to be accountable. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Agreed , he's also responsible for team selection and I'm not sure bacuna should have been at right back or Weimann in the starting line up either.
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Take your point Toronto villa but there was no slagging him after the WBA game or the man city game or saints away was there but a lethargic poor performance at Fulham and it's all lamberts fault. Also put post on b4 for you, do you live in west hill Toronto if so you could be my cousin warren ? If not as I said b4 we are all part of the villa family.
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So yet again it was lamberts fault, yea we looked tired and lethargic and never got going but was it lamberts fault that we had a terrible penalty decision against us and it was lamberts fault that guzan never stayed on his line for sidwells goal.
he has some responsibility though to how we play and whether we learn from our mistakes though. Yes, the players are the ones who are passing the ball and creating chances but the manager is paid to ensure that we improve in all aspects of the game. When it goes well he should be commended and when it doesn't he has to be accountable. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Agreed , he's also responsible for team selection and I'm not sure bacuna should have been at right back or Weimann in the starting line up either.
I would imagine that lambert like many of us was very optimistic at the start of the season although he never says much. He had got Weimann and Benteke to re-sign and had found what we thought were very promising youngsters in Lowton and Westwood. All four aren't doing it (Lowton hardly had a chance yet). Weimann worries me the most, his form has left him. I just hope that Lambert is proactive and gets a couple in next month and doesn't just chance it that the four mentioned regain form.
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Made me laugh on an otherwise depressing morning. Lambert's post match pearls of wisdom from yesterday - sorry if someone has already posted this:
"I don't think we got going if the truth be known. I can't fault the lads, their effort was there, we had a really tough game on Wednesday and you pick yourself up and go again. ..."
What a load of rubbish yesterday was. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how our season seems to be panning out.
The 'we go again ' line he trotted out all last season made me laugh in the early days but it now has me pulling my hair out in frustration :(
What would you rather him say?
''I've been sacked because my team plays the most atrocious football since Wimbledon of the late 80's''
Good grief, do you really think this? I know most of us have wiped the McLeish era from our memories as much as we can, but can you actually physically recall it? Or how about the end of last season, where everything clicked and we were one of the best sides to watch in the division?
Yes, I really don't rate Lambert. Mcleish was a disaster but the football this season is no better and in many cases worse. It's ok pick pocketing a few results but that never continues. Eventually this season we will have to play better to continue picking up results and as great as 10th supposedly is we are 6 points and 1 small bad run off relegation positions. You can conversely say we are 1 good run off being in the top 8 but us going on a good run picking up consecutive wins looks more less likely because of our performances, and I seriously doubt if this man if capable of
A. Picking the right team
B. Picking the right formation
C. Drilling the team well on the basics
D. Picking up more players that will improve us on our budget
I'm not a believer in Lambert, In Lambert I don't trust.
Which is exactly what lots of people were saying two thirds of the way into last season and guess what haoppened? And this season we at least have a solid defence as a better starting point.
So for 13 games in over 50 he's had a clue, whoopy doo.
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So yet again it was lamberts fault, yea we looked tired and lethargic and never got going but was it lamberts fault that we had a terrible penalty decision against us and it was lamberts fault that guzan never stayed on his line for sidwells goal.
he has some responsibility though to how we play and whether we learn from our mistakes though. Yes, the players are the ones who are passing the ball and creating chances but the manager is paid to ensure that we improve in all aspects of the game. When it goes well he should be commended and when it doesn't he has to be accountable. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Agreed , he's also responsible for team selection and I'm not sure bacuna should have been at right back or Weimann in the starting line up either.
I would imagine that lambert like many of us was very optimistic at the start of the season although he never says much. He had got Weimann and Benteke to re-sign and had found what we thought were very promising youngsters in Lowton and Westwood. All four aren't doing it (Lowton hardly had a chance yet). Weimann worries me the most, his form has left him. I just hope that Lambert is proactive and gets a couple in next month and doesn't just chance it that the four mentioned regain form.
not being a fan takes away much of the emotion we have in watching us play. I imagine he's quite pragmatic in how he sees us and is still very optimistic that we will come together.
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Can we stop the quotathons please.
Next time I have to come in here I'm crackin' skulls!*
*Gold star for whoever gets the reference.
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thank you Principal Vernon
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thank you Principal Vernon
Gold star TV. Wear it with pride and make all your friends jealous.
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I don't go to too many matches, maybe ten a season. However I did go to both sunderland and fulham and was surprised by how good and supportive the crowd were on both occasions. I'd have expected a lot more moaning but didm;t really hear any, well not aimed at Lambert anyway.
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There were a few behind us who slagged him off throughout most of the game. Left hand side, half way down.
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There were a few behind us who slagged him off throughout most of the game. Left hand side, half way down.
Well I'm sure that was hugely helpful
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There were a few behind us who slagged him off throughout most of the game. Left hand side, half way down.
Well I'm sure that was hugely helpful
not that I agree with it either but you can imagine those who paid a decent sum to travel down there might have been a bit frustrated by what they saw. The fact that they were there in the first place shows that their dedication. I'm sure they didn't travel down with that intention.
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I certainly wouldn't even be close to slagging him off at this point but there will inevitably be frustration with three years of poor performances and results in general, particularly at home. One of those under him. After the patience and understanding he was generally given at the lowest points of last season I am not sure how much patience and goodwill towards him a lot of other people have unfortunately.
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I'm so fed up with Lambert and his team selection, tactics and performance against Manure i've already started booing.
As for Benteke, i've got a bed sheet out and am going to write "BOOOOOOOO Christian Benteke" on it.
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I'm so fed up with Lambert and his team selection, tactics and performance against Manure i've already started booing.
As for Benteke, i've got a bed sheet out and am going to write "BOOOOOOOO Christian Benteke" on it.
One thing I've noticed is that, in this extended period of mediocrity and poor results, I find myself determined not to watch the Football First repeat of the game, or MOTD, or MOTD2 at all when we've had a bad result.
Over the course of the last few years, the reduction in quality of life caused by Villa being largely - if not exclusively - shit has been counterbalanced by not watching that cliched horseshit for hours every weekend.
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What odds would you get on Paul Lambert's eventual departure from the Villa being on a par in the acrimonious stakes with that of his mentor O'Neill?
Surely with the myriad of football betting markets around these days, and lower league footballers trying to make a few bob on them, it's only a matter of time before managers' psychological and personality traits are gambled on.
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I'm so fed up with Lambert and his team selection, tactics and performance against Manure i've already started booing.
As for Benteke, i've got a bed sheet out and am going to write "BOOOOOOOO Christian Benteke" on it.
One thing I've noticed is that, in this extended period of mediocrity and poor results, I find myself determined not to watch the Football First repeat of the game, or MOTD, or MOTD2 at all when we've had a bad result.
Over the course of the last few years, the reduction in quality of life caused by Villa being largely - if not exclusively - shit has been counterbalanced by not watching that cliched horseshit for hours every weekend.
me too. if we've lost i'll dig out the brief goals snippets on youtube but that's it.
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The things we lacked last season were defensive solidity and a bit of character when things weren't going well. We've got them now.
What we now seem to lack is any form of free flowing attack. However, we know from last season that this team is capable of that, so I have confidence we'll get back to it. Injuries and lack of form have hurt our main attacking trio this season.
Agree with this
We all said we needed him to tighten the back 5 up - he has done. The issue is we have lost some of the forward and midfield play to compensate for it.
I feel dirty saying this but
Remember Steve Bruce's dog shit from 2003 - for 2 years there was very little flair and nothing but hardwork. The cnuts that follow them got wrapped up in the whole "prem bullshit" and demanded that they played with more flair and better players - they changed their style that had been working for them and they got relegated
We cannot buy world class players so we will have periods where all the elements dont perform at the same time, conversely as we go through this process we will also "click" on some days and give teams a good seeing to
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I will point to the fact that we have picked up points despite not playing to what we are capable of. We have lost a centre back who we all thought would improve us in Okore and still improved. We now have the challenge, hopefully for not too long in maintaining our resolve without Vlaar which might be a bigger task. What we all know is that Lowton, Westwood and Benteke, three players that excelled way above expectations last season have been way, way below par this time around. However, I cannot believe that it will last forever and eventually something will change and they will come together. I still maintain that Lambert wants to play the type of football he is always advocating but right now is settling for less of that to ensure we improve defensively.
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What odds would you get on Paul Lambert's eventual departure from the Villa being on a par in the acrimonious stakes with that of his mentor O'Neill?
Surely with the myriad of football betting markets around these days, and lower league footballers trying to make a few bob on them, it's only a matter of time before managers' psychological and personality traits are gambled on.
I've just been reading about this app:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/21/fashion/social-networking-App-allows-women-to-rate-men.html?_r=1&
All you'd have to do is modify the app to rate a manager's traits and you'd be away.
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I will point to the fact that we have picked up points despite not playing to what we are capable of. We have lost a centre back who we all thought would improve us in Okore and still improved. We now have the challenge, hopefully for not too long in maintaining our resolve without Vlaar which might be a bigger task. What we all know is that Lowton, Westwood and Benteke, three players that excelled way above expectations last season have been way, way below par this time around. However, I cannot believe that it will last forever and eventually something will change and they will come together. I still maintain that Lambert wants to play the type of football he is always advocating but right now is settling for less of that to ensure we improve defensively.
This is my thinking at the minute, if we can look pretty and struggle to get a point or look terrible but get enough points to stay comfortably mid-table then only an idiot would take the first option. We all want to watch good football, including the manager but sometimes you have to settle for something functional for a while. Our defence was a big problem last year, with our goals against tally far too high for us to do anything but be in a relegation battle. Loads of people on here were calling it for months and clearly the manager decided he needed to focus on that side of things for a while, so we got a new coach and we altered the shape of the side and we can see the value of it. Unfortunately the team haven't yet pinned down a way to play this new shape and create the chances we were seeing at the end of last year.
Once we can get a bit of a settled squad together again (we've been top of the list for injured players for most of the season so far, for the 4th season in a row) we know that the players have it in them to play football and score goals, unfortunately we just need to ride it out a little until things start to tick. It's not like under McLeish where this football was the aim, for Lambert it's a means to an end.