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Title: New Found Resilience
Post by: Tony Boucher on November 27, 2013, 04:40:32 PM
I love these stats - it actually feels like we can see a game out this season, which is a world away from last season's nightmares:

2013/14 season, to date (12 games played):
Points Gained from Losing Positions:  7 (league ranking = 1st)
Points Lost from Winning Positions: 0 (league ranking = equal 1st)

2012/13 Season (38 games played):
Points Gained from Losing Positions:  9 (league ranking = equal 14th)
Points Lost from Winning Positions: 28 (league ranking = 19th)

Source:  Football365.com
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Dr Butler on November 27, 2013, 04:43:51 PM
wow that is impressive statting...and I agree with you that we look like we can hold on to a lead or force our way back into games.

Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: spk on November 27, 2013, 04:47:45 PM
It is most heartening,when we go a goal down ,I dont really care,it seems to get us going.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Ads on November 27, 2013, 05:13:59 PM
28 bloody points lost last term. Crikey!
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: KevinGage on November 27, 2013, 07:12:21 PM
For all the criticism of Lambert and the way we've played recently (plenty of it justified, mind) that stat and our improvement defending set pieces is heartening. 

I don't fully buy into the notion that we just need Gabby, Benteke and Bill to get going again and we'll be flying.  Football isn't as straightforward as that.  If teams have worked out how to counter them, we need a different way of bringing them into play. We've seen a number of managers in our fairly recent past struggle when their main method of attack has been worked out.

Ultimately that comes down to the midfield for me.  That's where you win the battle, where you dictate the tempo of the game and we -as of yet- don't have enough quality to do that. Even against fairly modest opposition.

But there is more resolve about this side, no question.  And there aren't many players in that starting XI happy just to coast.  Even if things aren't coming off from them, the workrate is there.  No passengers. 
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: ez on November 27, 2013, 07:24:50 PM
I saw a stat on facebook this morning stating that Lambert has now been in charge for fifty league games and has won fifty six points from them. An average of 1.12 points per game.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Chipsticks on November 27, 2013, 07:29:37 PM
Fantastic stats, I take great pride in the fact that we're currently the league leaders in coming back and stealing points.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: olaftab on November 27, 2013, 10:53:45 PM
And when we lead we stay in lead.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: LeeB on November 27, 2013, 11:54:48 PM
This resilience has been passed on to me watching them.

A strange sensation came over me on Monday, when as my anger at their goals subsided, I actually started to believe we'd get back into it.

Not hope, belief. I've not felt it for a while.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 28, 2013, 12:04:21 AM
My favourite football bets last season were Villa to be winning at half time but to lose at full time, and for the time of the last goal in our matches to be 80 minutes plus.

Not the same this year.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2013, 12:30:43 AM
For all the criticism of Lambert and the way we've played recently (plenty of it justified, mind) that stat and our improvement defending set pieces is heartening. 

I don't fully buy into the notion that we just need Gabby, Benteke and Bill to get going again and we'll be flying.  Football isn't as straightforward as that.  If teams have worked out how to counter them, we need a different way of bringing them into play. We've seen a number of managers in our fairly recent past struggle when their main method of attack has been worked out.

Ultimately that comes down to the midfield for me.  That's where you win the battle, where you dictate the tempo of the game and we -as of yet- don't have enough quality to do that. Even against fairly modest opposition.

But there is more resolve about this side, no question.  And there aren't many players in that starting XI happy just to coast.  Even if things aren't coming off from them, the workrate is there.  No passengers.

I'd agree with that and think the need for a different style of play is certainly more apparent at home.  Gabby and Weimann are more suited to having the ball in front of them in space and neither are really great when they receive the ball to feet in tight areas, which tends to happen more at home.   

Fair play to PL, he obviosly saw that the defence needed working on and brought in a member of staff over the summer for that purpose.  I think if Okore had remained fit, we would be even more resolute at the back.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: andrew08 on November 28, 2013, 07:18:50 AM

'and Bill...'


Tremendous nicknaming ! I hadn't heard/thought of that before. Made me chuckle.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Clampy on November 28, 2013, 09:43:01 AM

A strange sensation came over me on Monday, when as my anger at their goals subsided, I actually started to believe we'd get back into it.

I thought we would as well. The lads with me were furious but I saw another 80 minutes on the clock and i knew one goal could change it. We were fortunate that Sessegnon missed that chance in the first half mind you.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2013, 09:48:41 AM
It is hopefully a sign that slowly but surely we are heading in the right direction. If we could just stop going 1-0 down early on we'd win the league.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Tony Boucher on January 30, 2014, 10:51:32 AM
UPDATE (post-WBA) - Still looking good!

2013/14 season, to date (23 games played):
Points Gained from Losing Positions:  10 (league ranking = equal 2nd)
Points Lost from Winning Positions: 4 (league ranking = equal 1st)
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2014, 11:02:49 AM
This resilience has been passed on to me watching them.

A strange sensation came over me on Monday, when as my anger at their goals subsided, I actually started to believe we'd get back into it.

Not hope, belief. I've not felt it for a while.

Same here. 2-0 down last night and I never doubted we'd get back into the game. Obviously I never expected it to happen so quickly but the lads give so much on the pitch, once they find their stride there's a very good side there, as we saw against Liverpool. The problem is mainly two things, a lack of organisation and confidence.

You may win battles with gung-ho but you don't win wars.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: richard moore on January 30, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
Bizarre isn't it because I felt the same. I'd just come in from a long day out working in Haywards Heath and yet was almost unconcerned when we went 2-0 down as I knew we'd get back into it. I'd have been far more nervous in fact if we'd gone two up. Too early though to talk about new found resilience, let's judge that over a period of a couple of months or so
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2014, 12:26:24 PM
Bizarre isn't it because I felt the same. I'd just come in from a long day out working in Haywards Heath and yet was almost unconcerned when we went 2-0 down as I knew we'd get back into it. I'd have been far more nervous in fact if we'd gone two up. Too early though to talk about new found resilience, let's judge that over a period of a couple of months or so

The thread was started a couple of months back so we're ok!
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2014, 12:26:42 PM
True, after all it was only the Albion. Saying that, we've struggled against the weaker teams this season. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 30, 2014, 06:58:19 PM
My favourite football bets last season were Villa to be winning at half time but to lose at full time, and for the time of the last goal in our matches to be 80 minutes plus.

Not the same this year.

I have done that half time bet for every game bar two this season. One of them was Man City. I didn't dodge it on purpose but didn't see the bookie's runner in the Lions Club.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: peter w on January 31, 2014, 08:09:22 AM
To give the defence credit I no longer dread the opposition getting a corner or any crosses going into our box.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 31, 2014, 12:50:04 PM
Amazing that when we look for positive there are plenty of them
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2014, 01:39:23 PM
Amazing that when we look for positive there are plenty of them

The defence has been a big positive all  season and the fact that we are capable of grinding out results now. That spell from say late October to Christmas we looked poor and unadventurous but still got a few good points on the board. Last  season we'd have come away with nothing from a few of those games.

We have looked much more sprightly in recent weeks after quite a lethargic looking period when we just couldn't get going at all.
Title: Re: New Found Resilience
Post by: Hillbilly on February 03, 2014, 11:19:38 AM
We haven't won three on the bounce since the pubey one left and you can count on the fingers of one of Gary Sobers' hands how many times we've won two on the trot in the meantime. We're about as resilient as a wet sheet of bog roll.
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