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Title: Media bias
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2013, 06:20:15 PM
If there was any doubt about the BBC's bias have a look at their report on the flare incident at today's game.

Absolutely no mention of which set of fans the flare came from - just mention it was thrown by a fan at Villa Park.

Spurs - Media Darlings (and utter scumbags).
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 20, 2013, 06:20:45 PM
BBC news just said it came from the away end.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2013, 06:21:52 PM
The website story has no mention of the end it came from.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dekko on October 20, 2013, 06:25:06 PM
The match report explicitly mentions it was thrown by a Spurs fan
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 20, 2013, 06:26:03 PM
The website story has no mention of the end it came from.

I believe you, just reflecting that they showed the footage of it being thrown, and said it came from the Spurs end on the news.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 20, 2013, 06:58:39 PM
The website story has no mention of the end it came from.

I'm sure it will eventually.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 20, 2013, 07:02:43 PM
Think 2 people have been arrested
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 20, 2013, 07:04:02 PM
I can't work out why taking flares & smoke bombs is suddenly all the rage
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: olaftab on October 20, 2013, 07:07:02 PM
A waste of thread really. Nothing to see here move on ....
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
5Live didn't mention the end either. Anyway, let me wallow in my bitterness about our treatment at the hands of the press and keep your facts to yourself!!! ;)

I wonder who the FA will punish. It's obviously a Spurs fan acting the dick but Spurs as a club couldn't have stopped him. On the other hand our stewards could be said to have failed to prevent him entering the ground with the flare.

My money's on the FA fining us.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 20, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
To be honest I dont think it matters. The crowd was made up of about 32,000 home fans, 3,000 away fans, and 2 dickheads involved in a flare incident.
When things like this happen we should all be angry and express our condemnation whether it's from our lot or the opposition.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2013, 07:13:32 PM
A waste of thread really. Nothing to see here move on ....

And yet it's worth your time commenting on?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on October 20, 2013, 07:14:20 PM
They should finally relegate Spurs for that like they should have done previously. The did it to Swindon, spawny ******.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Rudy65 on October 20, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
I just wish our shooting had been as accurate today!

If Kea and Andy had thrown the flare it would have cleared the Trinity!
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 20, 2013, 07:33:21 PM
ITN showed the flare incident and said it was thrown from the spurs end .
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: CJ on October 20, 2013, 07:45:31 PM
Two Spurs fan got arrested shortly after the flare was thrown, so they'll get a lifetime ban, and hopefully the authorities will react by reducing Spurs away allocation for future games (I did say hopefully). I can't understand how these things aren't spotted by searches when they enter the ground.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Legion on October 20, 2013, 07:46:43 PM
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2013, 07:48:01 PM
Two Spurs fan got arrested shortly after the flare was thrown, so they'll get a lifetime ban, and hopefully the authorities will react by reducing Spurs away allocation for future games (I did say hopefully). I can't understand how these things aren't spotted by searches when they enter the ground.

If you want to get something that small into a ground, you will.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 20, 2013, 07:54:58 PM
Of course, nobody from the Villa section would ever throw anything directly at a linesman. The one hit when Harry was being targetted was just collateral damage.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2013, 07:55:42 PM
Two Spurs fan got arrested shortly after the flare was thrown, so they'll get a lifetime ban, and hopefully the authorities will react by reducing Spurs away allocation for future games (I did say hopefully). I can't understand how these things aren't spotted by searches when they enter the ground.

My brother managed to get a bottle that size into the ground in his inside pocket. We don't seem to do body pat downs anymore which I think is a good thing.

But you do get idiots like this. Although I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the chucker that he was throwing at the linesman, just trying to throw it on the pitch to get the smoke away from him.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on October 20, 2013, 07:56:54 PM
So we shouldn't be outraged when two Spurs dickheads throw a smoke bomb at a linesman because a Villa fan once threw something at Redknapp?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 20, 2013, 07:58:52 PM
So we shouldn't be outraged when two Spurs dickheads throw a smoke bomb at a linesman because a Villa fan once threw something at Redknapp?


No, we should be equally outraged at both incidents.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 20, 2013, 08:13:11 PM


Anybody else notice the advert which appears 12 seconds in ?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 20, 2013, 08:43:53 PM
It was a poor thing to see and the linesman actually getting hit was awful but we've done this before (Walsall pre season) so I won't be getting on my high horse about it.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: barrysleftfoot on October 20, 2013, 08:55:27 PM
 Talk shite , previewing the game this morning, said Villa had another chance to beat a big team today.

 Spuds a bigger team than Villa?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Smirker on October 20, 2013, 09:04:42 PM
Talk shite , previewing the game this morning, said Villa had another chance to beat a big team today.

 Spuds a bigger team than Villa?

They're better at the moment, but they're not bigger. And I think the context of 'big' would have been applied to the former.

Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 20, 2013, 09:12:14 PM
Talk shite , previewing the game this morning, said Villa had another chance to beat a big team today.

 Spuds a bigger team than Villa?



They're better at the moment, but they're not bigger. And I think the context of 'big' would have been applied to the former.



It's the old argument of what makes a big club - crowds, stadium, history , finance, success, etc .
Personally I see Tottenham , everton and ourselves in a similar bracket , behind the likes of Man U, Liverpool and arsenal.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Legion on October 20, 2013, 09:14:27 PM
No-one is bigger or better than us.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: barrysleftfoot on October 20, 2013, 09:16:13 PM
 Could'nt see any national news media using the same language if the roles were reversed.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Mister E on October 20, 2013, 09:33:18 PM
Spuds a bigger team than Villa?
Well, they just spent €100m roughly in the last window, so I suppose that qualifies them.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2013, 10:04:21 PM
The BBC report does state the flare came from the Tottenham fans. However, why the report is in the Aston Villa section of the website and not also/ only in the Spurs one is something only the BBC can answer I'm sure.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 20, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
News at ten report didn't mention it came from Spurs fans.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: villajk on October 20, 2013, 11:09:33 PM


 We don't seem to do body pat downs anymore which I think is a good thing.



We do for away fans at VP as, when I was queueing to get into P8 today,I was watching the stewards body searching the Spurs fans.  Obviously one or two 'slipped through the loop'.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: curlytailavfc on October 20, 2013, 11:12:56 PM
it came from ed milliband aimed at Cameron
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 20, 2013, 11:45:58 PM
5 Live commentary was quick to point out it came from ther spurs end and MOTD coverage did so too.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: richardhubbard on October 21, 2013, 06:36:53 AM
Day break mentioned 2nd flare thrown at villa game this season, no mention of spurs!!!
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: peter w on October 21, 2013, 07:37:49 AM
I really thought this was a non-event. The flare, you'd think, was not thrown at the linesman but the attempt was to throw it at on the pitch after they had scored. No different to our Wigan away smoke bombs. And that's the other thing, 'smoke bomb'. Its not a bomb. It doesn't detonate and send out ball bearings or other shrapnel but is a harmless can with smoke in it. If it had landed anywhere other then the linesman's back it would have been nothing but, "and they can shove their wankey smoke bomb up their arses" type comments.

Really is over the top to see the press response. Just needed something pernicious to be able to report after a very benign weekend, clearly.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Dave Clark Five on October 21, 2013, 07:55:55 AM
I really thought this was a non-event. The flare, you'd think, was not thrown at the linesman but the attempt was to throw it at on the pitch after they had scored. No different to our Wigan away smoke bombs. And that's the other thing, 'smoke bomb'. Its not a bomb. It doesn't detonate and send out ball bearings or other shrapnel but is a harmless can with smoke in it. If it had landed anywhere other then the linesman's back it would have been nothing but, "and they can shove their wankey smoke bomb up their arses" type comments.

Really is over the top to see the press response. Just needed something pernicious to be able to report after a very benign weekend, clearly.

It can be treated severely by the courts so maybe it is best not to play it down.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 21, 2013, 08:03:22 AM
I really thought this was a non-event. The flare, you'd think, was not thrown at the linesman but the attempt was to throw it at on the pitch after they had scored. No different to our Wigan away smoke bombs. And that's the other thing, 'smoke bomb'. Its not a bomb. It doesn't detonate and send out ball bearings or other shrapnel but is a harmless can with smoke in it. If it had landed anywhere other then the linesman's back it would have been nothing but, "and they can shove their wankey smoke bomb up their arses" type comments.

Really is over the top to see the press response. Just needed something pernicious to be able to report after a very benign weekend, clearly.

Not over the top at all, it is an offence and could have caused injury - doesn't matter who throws it - it is wrong and needs to be eradicated from the game.
Anyone throwing a flare or even  taking a flare into a football ground is a twat of the highest order .
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Brummie Bob on October 21, 2013, 08:14:12 AM
I think the stewards were concentrating on making sure you didn't go in the ground with a soft drink with the top on to worry about people with flares etc.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on October 21, 2013, 08:17:11 AM
Talk shite , previewing the game this morning, said Villa had another chance to beat a big team today.

 Spuds a bigger team than Villa?

No.

A team that has won the title twice and never in Technicolour, is not a big club.

A much better side than the Villa have yes, but bigger? Lulz.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 21, 2013, 08:49:18 AM
Talk shite , previewing the game this morning, said Villa had another chance to beat a big team today.

 Spuds a bigger team than Villa?



No.

A team that has won the title twice and never in Technicolour, is not a big club.

A much better side than the Villa have yes, but bigger? Lulz.

I get your drift but in fairness we have won the league only once in the last 100 years ourselves and the fa cup once in the last 80 years so I can see why some of the media don't see us as perhaps as big as many of us think we are.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 21, 2013, 09:28:37 AM
I really thought this was a non-event. The flare, you'd think, was not thrown at the linesman but the attempt was to throw it at on the pitch after they had scored. No different to our Wigan away smoke bombs. And that's the other thing, 'smoke bomb'. Its not a bomb. It doesn't detonate and send out ball bearings or other shrapnel but is a harmless can with smoke in it. If it had landed anywhere other then the linesman's back it would have been nothing but, "and they can shove their wankey smoke bomb up their arses" type comments.

Really is over the top to see the press response. Just needed something pernicious to be able to report after a very benign weekend, clearly.

It is serious and can have very serious consequences. If I started throwing lit fireworks in a shopping street with my eyes closed I would expect to be arrested and dealt with severely. If I threw lit fireworks over my neighbours garden fence not knowing if anybody was in the garden I would expect to be arrested and dealt with severely. It is hardly a defence to say that I did not mean to hit anybody, there are people about so it has the potential to hit and harm someone.
The perpetrators should be dealt with for their actions on the basis of their potential to cause harm through their irresponsible unthinking behaviour.
I agree they probably did not mean to cause harm. But in the same way a person who drinks and then drives and hits a pedestrian did not intend to cause harm when they embarked on their irresponsible journey.   
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Jimbo on October 21, 2013, 10:01:12 AM
If you can be arrested for hurling insults at a football match, you damned well should be arrested for hurling incendiary devices.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ad@m on October 21, 2013, 10:05:10 AM
I really thought this was a non-event. The flare, you'd think, was not thrown at the linesman but the attempt was to throw it at on the pitch after they had scored. No different to our Wigan away smoke bombs. And that's the other thing, 'smoke bomb'. Its not a bomb. It doesn't detonate and send out ball bearings or other shrapnel but is a harmless can with smoke in it. If it had landed anywhere other then the linesman's back it would have been nothing but, "and they can shove their wankey smoke bomb up their arses" type comments.

Really is over the top to see the press response. Just needed something pernicious to be able to report after a very benign weekend, clearly.

You might want to ask the family of the kid who was killed by one of these at a football match in Bolivia if they think it's a harmless can with smoke in it.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: richardhubbard on October 21, 2013, 10:15:11 AM
I really thought this was a non-event. The flare, you'd think, was not thrown at the linesman but the attempt was to throw it at on the pitch after they had scored. No different to our Wigan away smoke bombs. And that's the other thing, 'smoke bomb'. Its not a bomb. It doesn't detonate and send out ball bearings or other shrapnel but is a harmless can with smoke in it. If it had landed anywhere other then the linesman's back it would have been nothing but, "and they can shove their wankey smoke bomb up their arses" type comments.



Really is over the top to see the press response. Just needed something pernicious to be able to report after a very benign weekend, clearly.

Peter were you there as it was clearly not benign to me. Remind me how many seats are there in villa park as it's been a while since you asked such a benign point!
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2013, 11:10:52 AM
They're not harmless if they go off near you.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: London Villan on October 21, 2013, 01:38:08 PM
It's a bit of a tricky one this... the flare was set off... now if it rolled next to you and your nipper what would you do... you can't really move because of the people in the seats next to you, your nipper is getting scared, you can't see due to the smoke so you may think you'd better get it out of the way quick... you can't throw it anywhere else other than the perimeter track... just as the linesman is trotting back to the halfway line...
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 21, 2013, 02:37:53 PM

I don't mind the odd flare at a night game, but throwing them on the pitch is just daft (even though it was a smoke bomb not a flare in this instance)

Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 24, 2013, 12:50:33 PM
I think the stewards were concentrating on making sure you didn't go in the ground with a soft drink with the top on to worry about people with flares etc.


Firstly dont be silly with a comment like that. The whole reasoning for searching bags for cans and removing bottle tops is exactly the reason to remove the risk of items being thrown. Both are items identified by Police as being used previously.

Secondly - Each stand has a flare / smoke bomb procedure which incorperates sand filled "drop boxes" and special gloves to collect the device by stewards - this has been in operation for some years

For all the comments directed at Stewards (and i accept there are some useless ones as there are in any job conducted by many people) VP is considered one of the safest and most organised stadium in the country. We have the one of the lowest Police bills for match day due to the dilligence shown year after year by the well trained match day staff

If a moron or two want to sneak certain small items in then they always have that opportunity as there around 350 match day staff and 40K+ people - thankfully most "normal people" understand the implications of such items being taken into a public place and used so its not a huge issue until some twat does.

Its not all about taking pop bottle tops off people

One thing i would say is fair play to the lino whose reaction was mature and not sensationalist for the papers - that would have been a 100 times worse for the clubs PR dept
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: London Villan on October 24, 2013, 05:00:09 PM
Imagine it hitting a player... they'd still be rolling around on the pitch now...
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Pete3206 on October 24, 2013, 06:03:23 PM
A steward I know was in the Spurs end on Sunday. He described their fans as animals. I could never do that job for the paltry amount on offer, even if it does include watching the match for free.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 24, 2013, 09:17:29 PM

Its not all about taking pop bottle tops off people



Of course it isn't.

But then why DO they take the tops off bottles? Given that I can quite easily (and do) take a spare bottle top in my pocket, and that a full bottle of coke will do less damage than many other things I could quite legitimately take into the ground (my cheap mobile is sharp enough to do a bit of damage), why are bottle tops considered such a danger?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 24, 2013, 09:41:01 PM

Its not all about taking pop bottle tops off people



Of course it isn't.

But then why DO they take the tops off bottles? Given that I can quite easily (and do) take a spare bottle top in my pocket, and that a full bottle of coke will do less damage than many other things I could quite legitimately take into the ground (my cheap mobile is sharp enough to do a bit of damage), why are bottle tops considered such a danger?

They do the bottle top thing because, if you drop a plastic bottle with top on onto the floor, you're risking people injuring themselves on them, particularly in the case of an emergency exit.

It's not to do with chucking them on the pitch.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 24, 2013, 10:48:03 PM

Its not all about taking pop bottle tops off people



Of course it isn't.

But then why DO they take the tops off bottles? Given that I can quite easily (and do) take a spare bottle top in my pocket, and that a full bottle of coke will do less damage than many other things I could quite legitimately take into the ground (my cheap mobile is sharp enough to do a bit of damage), why are bottle tops considered such a danger?

They do the bottle top thing because, if you drop a plastic bottle with top on onto the floor, you're risking people injuring themselves on them, particularly in the case of an emergency exit.

It's not to do with chucking them on the pitch.

But is a plastic bottle top more dangerous than a discarded plastic glass? The latter tend to be chucked on the floor in hundreds ( thousands?) and must be more of a potential hazard than bottle tops.

The bottle top focus just seems plain daft to me.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2013, 11:05:16 PM
A full bottle, complete with top, can cause more damage than one with the top off.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 24, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
A full bottle, complete with top, can cause more damage than one with the top off.

True. But as Dave Cooper said you can take other items in legitimately which can cause more damage. And that's before you even get close to buying a scalding hot drink which has to be carried through a throng of people.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: pab on October 25, 2013, 12:05:33 AM

Its not all about taking pop bottle tops off people



Of course it isn't.

But then why DO they take the tops off bottles? Given that I can quite easily (and do) take a spare bottle top in my pocket, and that a full bottle of coke will do less damage than many other things I could quite legitimately take into the ground (my cheap mobile is sharp enough to do a bit of damage), why are bottle tops considered such a danger?

I see what you're saying and I've heard other people say the same thing, but they're trying to prevent something, they can't guarantee against it. Yes, if you want to throw something else, you can. I'm not sure I see the issue with them trying to stop something that they see CAN cause a problem, that they can affect?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: DrGonzo on October 25, 2013, 01:23:23 AM
A little bored are we chaps? 
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 25, 2013, 11:54:29 AM
A full bottle, complete with top, can cause more damage than one with the top off.

True. But as Dave Cooper said you can take other items in legitimately which can cause more damage. And that's before you even get close to buying a scalding hot drink which has to be carried through a throng of people.

True enough, was just saying the reason re the plastic bottles with tops on. I only know because I asked a steward once (as he was taking my bottle top off me).

Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: class_of_82 on October 25, 2013, 05:44:39 PM
fair play to the linesman for not going down and making a meal out of it. imagine if that was ashley young copping it on the back of the neck
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: olaftab on October 25, 2013, 10:13:26 PM
I think Young would gone down anywhere within 50 yards of that canister.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Somniloquism on October 26, 2013, 07:35:06 AM

Its not all about taking pop bottle tops off people



Of course it isn't.

But then why DO they take the tops off bottles? Given that I can quite easily (and do) take a spare bottle top in my pocket, and that a full bottle of coke will do less damage than many other things I could quite legitimately take into the ground (my cheap mobile is sharp enough to do a bit of damage), why are bottle tops considered such a danger?

They do the bottle top thing because, if you drop a plastic bottle with top on onto the floor, you're risking people injuring themselves on them, particularly in the case of an emergency exit.

It's not to do with chucking them on the pitch.

But is a plastic bottle top more dangerous than a discarded plastic glass? The latter tend to be chucked on the floor in hundreds ( thousands?) and must be more of a potential hazard than bottle tops.

The bottle top focus just seems plain daft to me.

Tread on a full bottle on its side with top on. Tread on a bottle with top off. Tread on a plastic cup. Which ones will probably cause you to slip over and which ones will just collapse under your foot. Imagine treading on one of those in a surging crowd trying to get away from an emergency. Will you be able to get up again?

But saying that, I always thought it was because a full bottle can be thrown and is heavy where one with the top off would lose most of its contents before it hit anyone.

Also, for Peter W, a smoke bomb might not explode, but does produce heat. So the linesman was hit suddenly on the back of he neck by a half kilo hot tin of acrid smoke. Why wouldn't that be news? 

I did give the thrower benefit of the doubt that he might have been trying to clear the smoke bomb away from the fans, but the ref had been standing in that spot since the goal, so was not walking back to the halfway line. He would have been a shit Lino if he had being as the last spurs defender was on that line.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 30, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
Last night Martin Swain wrote, again, about how the Stripeys are doing well and we're struggling, despite an almost identical place in the table and their easier start. Unlike others there's no real bias or malice with him, so why the difference in perception?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2013, 09:49:17 AM
Last night Martin Swain wrote, again, about how the Stripeys are doing well and we're struggling, despite an almost identical place in the table and their easier start. Unlike others there's no real bias or malice with him, so why the difference in perception?

Because we're the bigger club with better players so we're easier to shoot down. Plus maybe also because he writes for the Express and Star which is more of a Black Country paper than a Birmingham one.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: aj2k77 on October 30, 2013, 09:55:31 AM
Any period where the baggies aren't yo-yoing up and down divisions is seen as a golden era for those faggot loving wankers.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2013, 09:57:42 AM
Last night Martin Swain wrote, again, about how the Stripeys are doing well and we're struggling, despite an almost identical place in the table and their easier start. Unlike others there's no real bias or malice with him, so why the difference in perception?

Villa are seen as the bigger club and maybe expected to do better and have done better over the years - bigger club , more finance , bigger support - whereas Albion are perhaps viewed as a smaller club and therefore midtable for them is good considering the premier era has seen them much lower usually ?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2013, 09:58:29 AM
Any period where the baggies aren't yo-yoing up and down divisions is seen as a golden era for those faggot loving wankers.

Faggots are not just for the Black Country sir ;)
Eastie likes few things more than a nice faggot & pea batch :)
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Richard E on October 30, 2013, 10:04:34 AM
Last night Martin Swain wrote, again, about how the Stripeys are doing well and we're struggling, despite an almost identical place in the table and their easier start. Unlike others there's no real bias or malice with him, so why the difference in perception?


His articles tend to gloss over me these days. It must be about the 15th time he has written that same one now.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Boz on October 30, 2013, 02:10:32 PM
Last night Martin Swain wrote, again, about how the Stripeys are doing well and we're struggling, despite an almost identical place in the table and their easier start. Unlike others there's no real bias or malice with him, so why the difference in perception?

Because we're the bigger club with better players so we're easier to shoot down. Plus maybe also because he writes for the Express and Star which is more of a Black Country paper than a Birmingham one.

Right on all counts
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Nev on October 30, 2013, 02:24:17 PM
It always puzzles me that we are often told that we are no longer a big club but then when it comes to criticism we are classed as one.

You can't have it both ways.

The again if you're an Albion pratt you can pick and choose your rivals depending on which division you are in.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2013, 03:09:16 PM

The again if you're an Albion pratt you can pick and choose your rivals depending on which division you are in.

How very  true.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on October 30, 2013, 04:11:27 PM
That's not the only way the Stripey wankers want it.

On the one hand they're plucky West Brom sitting mid-table on 10 points, not like struggling Villa sitting mid-table on 10 points. On the other they're the self titled Pride of the Midlands.

Those fuckers are going to get a right tattering on the 25th.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Richard E on October 30, 2013, 04:58:44 PM
That's not the only way the Stripey wankers want it.

On the one hand they're plucky West Brom sitting mid-table on 10 points, not like struggling Villa sitting mid-table on 10 points. On the other they're the self titled Pride of the Midlands.

Those fuckers are going to get a right tattering on the 25th.

Spot on all round.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 30, 2013, 05:52:41 PM
It always puzzles me that we are often told that we are no longer a big club but then when it comes to criticism we are classed as one.

You can't have it both ways.

The again if you're an Albion pratt you can pick and choose your rivals depending on which division you are in.

Totally agree, and another thing...

One minute the Stripeys are plucky little underdogs doing ever so well to be where they are, the next they're moaning about us being arrogant and the world being against them.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 30, 2013, 06:17:34 PM
Both you and Ads are correct. I have nothing further to add.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 30, 2013, 06:20:46 PM

But if we are so much bigger and better than them, then doesn't that explain why the likes of Swain are saying we're not doing well ?

We SHOULD be doing better than them
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 30, 2013, 06:22:42 PM
Yes we should. And have for a fair chunk of our history. Lets see where the two teams end up come May.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2013, 06:22:51 PM

But if we are so much bigger and better than them, then doesn't that explain why the likes of Swain are saying we're not doing well ?

We SHOULD be doing better than them

There is little between the two teams - a month ago they were well below us - every chance that we will finish above them - Albion are small time and not worth worrying about - poxy shitty little club.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 30, 2013, 06:27:11 PM

The way we talk, there SHOULD be something between us if we are so much bigger/better, a bloody big points gap for starters

Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 30, 2013, 06:29:25 PM
Everyone has their five minutes of, relative, fame.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 30, 2013, 06:31:21 PM

The way we talk, there SHOULD be something between us if we are so much bigger/better, a bloody big points gap for starters



You mean like the four point gap between Southampton and little Manchester United?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2013, 06:32:14 PM

The way we talk, there SHOULD be something between us if we are so much bigger/better, a bloody big points gap for starters



Patience my friend , we will finish above them as we usually do - they are nobodies.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eamonn on October 31, 2013, 01:01:55 PM
Maybe he is thinking short-term over the past few games when Olbiyun have looked decent at ManUre and against Arsenal whereas we've deflated after the Man City win.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2013, 01:33:05 PM
Maybe he is thinking short-term over the past few games when Olbiyun have looked decent at ManUre and against Arsenal whereas we've deflated after the Man City win.

You mean recent games like a 0-0 with Stoke and a 4-1 humping at Anfield?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 31, 2013, 02:28:12 PM
Its because we don't know how to laugh at ourselves like those cheeky little boing boing Baggies. We don't have Jeff Astle, Adrian Chiles or Frank Skinner to carry our comedy flag.

And then they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Richard E on October 31, 2013, 02:50:59 PM
Albion should not worry too much about laughing at themselves, I'm sure there are plenty of supporters of other teams who are more than willing to laugh at Albion if that helps.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: ez on October 31, 2013, 03:06:56 PM
Not quite the same thing but it does amuse me how blues fans mock our fall from grace when they've got worse problems of their own.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2013, 03:38:24 PM
Not quite the same thing but it does amuse me how blues fans mock our fall from grace when they've got worse problems of their own.

Blues fans will enjoy any agony we may suffer, but in my exprience I often find the midset of them as being something like:

"jammy Vilers, always land on their feet, come up smelling of roses" etc which feeds the hatred. It is after all a rivalry of the haves and the have nots. More so than any other club in the region, the Noses know exactly what they are, the Stripey Filth are a strange mixture of bitter and deluded.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
Not quite the same thing but it does amuse me how blues fans mock our fall from grace when they've got worse problems of their own.

The thing is though, the "depths" - ie position in the league - to which we have fallen in said fall from grace is the sort of achievement they'd be hiring open top buses and releasing commemorative DVDs for, were they to achieve it.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2013, 08:25:59 PM
To crystalise it; the Bitters still wank on about a team that won fuck all and whose high water mark seems to be beating a mid-table Man United.

At the same point we won two League Cups, the title and European and Super Cup glory against Bayern and Barca. They got smashed by Red Star.

Small time "get on the open top bus through Smethwick, we've just finished behind Stoke and Bolton in the third division!", bitter, wankers.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: ROBBO on October 31, 2013, 09:31:20 PM
Don't really understand the distaste shown toward the baggies they will never be a danger to Villa for midlands supremecy, for the last two seasons their manager has had them playing an entertaining brand of football, good on him.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2013, 09:32:04 PM
Don't really understand the distaste shown toward the baggies they will never be a danger to Villa for midlands supremecy, for the last two seasons their manager has had them playing an entertaining brand of football, good on him.

Final warning.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 31, 2013, 09:39:08 PM

To me all that matters is the here and now. And sadly they've got the bragging rights

I can piss and moan about it all i like, but they have the better team right now. Lets see come May if we can pip em. If not its confirmation of a pretty shameful period
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: danlanza on October 31, 2013, 09:40:48 PM
Don't really understand the distaste shown toward the baggies they will never be a danger to Villa for midlands supremecy, for the last two seasons their manager has had them playing an entertaining brand of football, good on him.

Final warning.
Ha. Banned for stating the obvious. ;D
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Richard E on October 31, 2013, 09:41:38 PM
Two of the last three posts on this thread praising the Baggies! Truly there are dark forces at work this Halloween!
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2013, 09:42:34 PM

To me all that matters is the here and now. And sadly they've got the bragging rights

I can piss and moan about it all i like, but they have the better team right now. Lets see come May if we can pip em. If not its confirmation of a pretty shameful period

What exactly do you base that on - the massive difference between them and us in the league?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 31, 2013, 09:42:49 PM
Not praising at all, just acknowledging things as they stand
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 31, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
What exactly do you base that on - the massive difference between them and us in the league?


Them finishing above us the last two seasons ?

Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
What exactly do you base that on - the massive difference between them and us in the league?


Them finishing above us the last two seasons ?



Sorry, I thought you said the here and now.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 31, 2013, 09:44:34 PM

oh right.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Dio1874 on October 31, 2013, 10:26:23 PM
This weekend we will be slagged just for being the Villa,
Next weekend we will be slagged just for being the Villa(win or loose)
by someone who has a column in a daily rag top, any guesses which chairperson
I'm on about.

Now that's media bias on a grand scale!!!!!
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Lizz on October 31, 2013, 10:54:46 PM
This weekend we will be slagged just for being the Villa,
Next weekend we will be slagged just for being the Villa(win or loose)
by someone who has a column in a daily rag top, any guesses which chairperson
I'm on about.

Now that's media bias on a grand scale!!!!!

This is like knowing the answer to a premium rate phone in competition on Loose Women ;)
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 31, 2013, 11:34:58 PM
I like to think we have a plan.
Young, hungry, progressive. Getting better. (albeit slowly)
I can't see a Baggies' plan. Best players on loan. Relying too much on external "maybes".
A strong sense of controlled crisis management.
Struggling to stay at the dizzy heights they've reached in the last two seasons.
We'll finish above them this season. Easily.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2013, 12:24:31 AM
It does not matter where they finish because it wont be anything to shout about. They are a Yo Yo team and unless some lunatic invests a fortune in them which they wont they will remain at best a Boing Boing Yam Yam Yo Yo
Club
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on November 01, 2013, 08:24:23 AM
What exactly do you base that on - the massive difference between them and us in the league?


Them finishing above us the last two seasons ?



Sorry, I thought you said the here and now.

Get with it you happy clapper. The Bitters may have scored a goal less than lowly mid-table Aston Villa, but they've conceded two fewer and that's why they're high flying one place and one goal ahead of us in the table. How are we meant to square that circle?! In the here and now, they're miles ahead of us. Duh.

I think its time you rolled out "that" post, for all of those who don't share the requisite amount of antipathy for Sandwell Town.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Dr Butler on November 01, 2013, 09:01:04 AM
you could put the Baggies and Spurs in the same deluded pot........Stripey Filth are crowing as they are above the Villa on goal average......

big fucking deal, let's see where we both are in the table after 38 games you tramps.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on November 01, 2013, 09:02:53 AM
you could put the Baggies and Spurs in the same deluded pot........Stripey Filth are crowing as they are above the Villa on goal average......

big fucking deal, let's see where we both are in the table after 38 games you tramps.

UTV
The Doc

Spurs are a far bigger club than Albion - no comparison , I see Albion more in comparison with leicester city.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Clampy on November 01, 2013, 09:07:29 AM
Don't really understand the distaste shown toward the baggies

You live thousands of miles away, you wouldn't.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ads on November 01, 2013, 09:15:40 AM
Proximity breeds contempt.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2013, 09:28:40 AM
I like to think we have a plan.
Young, hungry, progressive. Getting better. (albeit slowly)
I can't see a Baggies' plan. Best players on loan. Relying too much on external "maybes".
A strong sense of controlled crisis management.
Struggling to stay at the dizzy heights they've reached in the last two seasons.
We'll finish above them this season. Easily.



Good call. When do you ever hear of an Albion player being linked with a high value move to a  bigger club e.g. one of the Sky 4 (5?, 6?) They have not exactly got a massively coveted squad. 
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Dr Butler on November 01, 2013, 10:01:25 AM
you could put the Baggies and Spurs in the same deluded pot........Stripey Filth are crowing as they are above the Villa on goal average......

big fucking deal, let's see where we both are in the table after 38 games you tramps.

UTV
The Doc

Spurs are a far bigger club than Albion - no comparison , I see Albion more in comparison with leicester city.

yes Spurs are bigger, Albion are just...Albion....but both are still dilusional.....
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Clampy on November 02, 2013, 10:11:18 AM
A Palace win and a couple of Bannan goals would be nice today.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Somniloquism on November 09, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
An hour after the event and the Villa - Cardiff match is the only one not to have a complete report on the BBC and still has the 5 line full time report on it. Even the CP v Everton match that finished 15 minutes later has a full descriptive report.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: eastie on November 09, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
A Palace win and a couple of Bannan goals would be nice today.
I heard the match report on this and bannan was rated as excellent in centre midfield - head and shoulders the best player on the pitch by all accounts against everton .
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2013, 06:18:37 PM
A Palace win and a couple of Bannan goals would be nice today.
I heard the match report on this and bannan was rated as excellent in centre midfield - head and shoulders the best player on the pitch by all accounts against everton .

Bannan wouldn't be head and shoulders above the Mayor of Munchkinland.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: KevinGage on November 09, 2013, 06:27:22 PM
Fact is, dross like the Olbiyun and B-lose only finish above us when we are pish. 

Mid>lower table for most clubs with any sort of pedigree or self respect would be nothing to shout about. But then we are talking about our neighbours, so pedigree and self respect were never really in the equation in the first place.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Ad@m on December 20, 2013, 02:15:37 PM
I'd imagine that it's fairly standard for journalists to talk about the origins of any sort of campaign they're reporting on.  So who started this one again?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25136422
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2013, 03:06:03 PM
I'd imagine that it's fairly standard for journalists to talk about the origins of any sort of campaign they're reporting on.  So who started this one again?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25136422

When the best leaders work is done the people look back and say "We did it ourselves."
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: Dr Butler on December 20, 2013, 03:15:42 PM
I'd imagine that it's fairly standard for journalists to talk about the origins of any sort of campaign they're reporting on.  So who started this one again?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25136422

When the best leaders work is done the people look back and say "We did it ourselves."

David Brent ?  ;)
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2013, 04:47:27 PM
I'd imagine that it's fairly standard for journalists to talk about the origins of any sort of campaign they're reporting on.  So who started this one again?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25136422

When the best leaders work is done the people look back and say "We did it ourselves."

David Brent ?  ;)

Lao Tzu.
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Who did he used to play for again Dave?
Title: Re: Media bias
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2013, 06:56:12 PM
Who did he used to play for again Dave?

Lazio.
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