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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 17, 2013, 10:36:28 PM
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Did I blink and miss Villa in the opening titles?
Also, a general thread for moaning about the small quantity of shrift Lineker and his golf buddies give us this season.
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You love it really. No ads and just the right amount of highlights of games.
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they showed 2 seconds of lowton celebrating away at stoke
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Never ceases to amaze me how many actual goalscoring chances they actually cut. Our Chelsea game from last season, they didn't show lichaj hitting the bar and today they cut Rosicky blazing over when through on goal at 1-1 which I thought was pretty crucial as the penalty happened right after.
Still decent analysis.
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We have Canal plus over here and they have made the first game, highlights, Arse v Villa. HAPPY CHAPPY.
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Thought they were very positive about us tonight.
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Did I blink and miss Villa in the opening titles?
Also, a general thread for moaning about the small quantity of shrift Lineker and his golf buddies give us this season.
Apart from the obvious Manure changes, they are now using the same opening credits for the last three years or so. The Villa one, (apart from showing offside goals scored against us) is usually a shot of the screen in the corner with a Villa player on it. They had Bent on there for most of the season (in a COWS shirt) and changed it to Benteke for the last two months. Now, as they still can't believe he is still in our shirt, they have decided to show Lowton celebrating for a micro second.
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Still decent analysis.
Certainly put an end to any question as to whether the second penalty was a foul.
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Never ceases to amaze me how many actual goalscoring chances they actually cut. Our Chelsea game from last season, they didn't show lichaj hitting the bar and today they cut Rosicky blazing over when through on goal at 1-1 which I thought was pretty crucial as the penalty happened right after.
Still decent analysis.
It was Delph hitting the post that came right after.
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Thought it was a very good analysis on the second penalty. Also agreed Vlaar should have gone.
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Thought they were pretty good to us tonight. What bliss not having to hear the inane whitterings of that pair of twats Lawro and Hanso.
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Thought it was a very good analysis on the second penalty. Also agreed Vlaar should have gone.
if only they told the viewers why contact with the ball does not mean it isn't a foul. Probably because they don't know that?
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There was more Villa related material showing in the opening credits of the Football League show then there was on the MotD opening effort..
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Thought it was a very good analysis on the second penalty. Also agreed Vlaar should have gone.
if only they told the viewers why contact with the ball does not mean it isn't a foul. Probably because they don't know that?
Was watching premier league years the other day and it had the game where Roger Johnson brought down Gabby which was a similar situation. This time as it showed he brought Gabby down before the ball, but even if he touched the ball first he didn't touch it enough to prevent Gabby getting it without taking him down. I think it was a definite penalty but having said that I would of been pissed off it was the other way round.
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Thought it was a very good analysis on the second penalty. Also agreed Vlaar should have gone.
if only they told the viewers why contact with the ball does not mean it isn't a foul. Probably because they don't know that?
Was watching premier league years the other day and it had the game where Roger Johnson brought down Gabby which was a similar situation. This time as it showed he brought Gabby down before the ball, but even if he touched the ball first he didn't touch it enough to prevent Gabby getting it without taking him down. I think it was a definite penalty but having said that I would of been pissed off it was the other way round.
Pissed off or not that's the rule, it wasn't the rule maybe 5 years ago but is now. it's one of many things that annoys me about pundits and commentators a like in how they haven't kept apace with the rules.
Gabby should and will get plenty of penalties playing in this role.
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The rules haven't changed. Gabby was taken out before the ball was even touched, even then you have to at least take the ball away from the run of the player for it to be a proper tackle before you hack the player down. Definite penalty and very good refereeing.
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May I just say that the game of Association Football does not operate using rules. They are LAWS.
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Thought it was a very good analysis on the second penalty. Also agreed Vlaar should have gone.
Indeed, thought shearer was spot on with his analysis and very good angle showing gabbys left leg was clipped before contact with the ball - a penalty .
Regarding Vlaar , at the time i expected him to get a 2nd yellow and he could well have gone , he was lucky to stay on but god knows we deserve a few decisions to go our way after some of the crap we've had against us over the years.
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The rules haven't changed. Gabby was taken out before the ball was even touched, even then you have to at least take the ball away from the run of the player for it to be a proper tackle before you hack the player down. Definite penalty and very good refereeing.
That's what I thought as well. It's not like he won the ball and then Agbonlahor just fell over his leg. He didn't come out with the ball and it was a definite pen.
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It's exactly the same as the Roger Johnson penalty a few years back. There's no use agonising over whether he got a toe on the ball - this isn't cricket, we're not appealing for an lbw and seeing if he nicked it. He touches the ball, sure, but if he doesn't bring down Gabby then Gabby is clean through. Lambert's right: an absolute stonewaller (whatever that word actually means).
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Anyway, back to MOTD......... Thought Danny Murphy & Shearer were pretty decent with their analysis last night. Sooo much better than Lawrenson cracking unfunny one-liners and Hansen slurring on about pass & move. Hopefully we've seen the last of those two but I doubt it
Edit: Looks like I spoke to soon (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2383372/Alan-Hansen-holidays-Barbados-keeping-Match-Day-job.html) - Lawrenson dropped but stuck with Hansen for another year. You'd think he could have taken his holiday before the season started, but hey-ho
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.....and just sticking with the BBC, John Hartson was full of praise for us on Five Live's commentary of the game. As an ex Arsenal man you would have thought he'd have been just a little biased, but no - it was good to hear.
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Thought they were pretty good to us tonight. What bliss not having to hear the inane whitterings of that pair of twats Lawro and Hanso.
Yep, it made a change. I thought they were both really good to listen to.
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Just seen MOTD and fair enough Shearer, not exactly enamoured of him but he was right about the decisions in the game when the rest of the media has been hysterically wrong.
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MOTD's analysis was almost the complete opposite of Keys and Gray's take on it all on Al Jazeera. Gray in particular was scathing of the referee's performance.
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Thought Shearer and Murphy did alright, especially compared with Crooks & Keown on Final score, 2 of the worse pundits ever.
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Thought Shearer and Murphy did alright, especially compared with Crooks & Keown on Final score, 2 of the worse pundits ever.
Saw a bit of them (Crooks and Keown) yesterday. The presenter tried to turn it to the Villa perspective and it fairness Crook was quite complimentary about us, but Keown just kept on about Arsenal. Such clear bias to the point of not being able to do your job properly should result in the sack.
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Thought Shearer and Murphy did alright, especially compared with Crooks & Keown on Final score, 2 of the worse pundits ever.
Saw a bit of them (Crooks and Keown) yesterday. The presenter tried to turn it to the Villa perspective and it fairness Crook was quite complimentary about us, but Keown just kept on about Arsenal. Such clear bias to the point of not being able to do your job properly should result in the sack.
In fairness having seen him during our relegation year keown should know all about not being able to your job properly.
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Thought Shearer and Murphy did alright, especially compared with Crooks & Keown on Final score, 2 of the worse pundits ever.
Saw a bit of them (Crooks and Keown) yesterday. The presenter tried to turn it to the Villa perspective and it fairness Crook was quite complimentary about us, but Keown just kept on about Arsenal. Such clear bias to the point of not being able to do your job properly should result in the sack.
Agreed.Keown might have as well worn an Arsenal shirt.Garth Crooks seems always to be fair and makes some astute comments,completely different to his infamous interviews of players.
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Thought Shearer and Murphy did alright, especially compared with Crooks & Keown on Final score, 2 of the worse pundits ever.
Saw a bit of them (Crooks and Keown) yesterday. The presenter tried to turn it to the Villa perspective and it fairness Crook was quite complimentary about us, but Keown just kept on about Arsenal. Such clear bias to the point of not being able to do your job properly should result in the sack.
Agreed.Keown might have as well worn an Arsenal shirt.Garth Crooks seems always to be fair and makes some astute comments,completely different to his infamous interviews of players.
Garth Crooks and astute. Now there's two words that one rarely sees in the same sentence.
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It was a penalty,
but I'm only saying that because of the MOTD knee thing, before that I thought it was never a pen and we got lucky
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Thought Shearer and Murphy did alright, especially compared with Crooks & Keown on Final score, 2 of the worse pundits ever.
Saw a bit of them (Crooks and Keown) yesterday. The presenter tried to turn it to the Villa perspective and it fairness Crook was quite complimentary about us, but Keown just kept on about Arsenal. Such clear bias to the point of not being able to do your job properly should result in the sack.
Agreed.Keown might have as well worn an Arsenal shirt.Garth Crooks seems always to be fair and makes some astute comments,completely different to his infamous interviews of players.
Just to point out, I still remain of the opinion that Garth Crooks is an utter cock.
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Thought Shearer and Murphy did alright, especially compared with Crooks & Keown on Final score, 2 of the worse pundits ever.
Saw a bit of them (Crooks and Keown) yesterday. The presenter tried to turn it to the Villa perspective and it fairness Crook was quite complimentary about us, but Keown just kept on about Arsenal. Such clear bias to the point of not being able to do your job properly should result in the sack.
Agreed.Keown might have as well worn an Arsenal shirt.Garth Crooks seems always to be fair and makes some astute comments,completely different to his infamous interviews of players.
Garth Crooks and astute. Now there's two words that one rarely sees in the same sentence.
He said 'some astute'. I find that to be the case on Final Score. As for player / manager interviews - don't go there. Like some 4th rate teenage psycotherapist wannabe.
Lawrenson - he can do one. The laziest, most boring cliched of all of them. Should have been booted out a long time ago. He was stale as soon as he started. I remember one time Torres (at Liverpool of course) had a goal disallowed for being just offside, he was moaning about the referee guessing the decision, not sure how he had access to said referee's inner most thoughts. Also don't referees have linesmen/women to assist in such decisions. Twat.
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Another thing they didn't show that I was keen to see again, 10 minutes to go and Wilshere goes down in the area, was up the other end and was sure he was going to give a pen, was it a dive?
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It was a penalty,
but I'm only saying that because of the MOTD knee thing, before that I thought it was never a pen and we got lucky
Like most on here, I think! Unless it was a "double penalty".
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Good to see match of the day back with Manchester United at the top of the show. Quelle Surprise!! Sycophantic arseholes. And then they show the Villa game and it's more about Arsenal being poor than Villa working their socks off and claiming an easy win, just because Arsenal haven't signed anyone. The Villa boys really want it. They are hungry for the game. Oh, and Jack Wilshere is a spoilt show pony little twat who falls over a lot.
Penalty? Yes, even my Bluenose wife said so!!
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10 minutes to go and Wilshere goes down in the area, was up the other end and was sure he was going to give a pen, was it a dive?
Don't think so, he was just crowded out. Players can lose their footing without it being either a foul or a dive.
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606 was funny. Savage putting a 16 year old Arsenal fan in his place. Spoilt twat was saying he has supported Arsenal for 8 years and they haven't won anything in that time. The two Arsenal midfielders kept being fouled and when they complained to the ref they get booked. It's a real shame. I have to say I enjoy listening to Savage. As for MOTD Shearer is the best pundit they can offer.
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It was a penalty,
but I'm only saying that because of the MOTD knee thing, before that I thought it was never a pen and we got lucky
I thought it was a penalty from the start, yes he touched the ball but gabby would still have got to it because he didn't divert it at all. Lucky not to get a straight red actually.
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The rules haven't changed. Gabby was taken out before the ball was even touched, even then you have to at least take the ball away from the run of the player for it to be a proper tackle before you hack the player down. Definite penalty and very good refereeing.
Not quite D. Johnson slid in and touched the ball, but only edged it invitingly into Gabby's path. On the follow through he brought Gab down. The fact that it was a penalty even though he touched the ball first was beyond the comprehension of every single bluenose in the world.
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Well according to Bluenoses and Greavsie, Luna must have been offside for the 3rd goal.
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Well according to Bluenoses and Greavsie, Luna must have been offside for the 3rd goal.
Someone should tell them you can't be offside in your own half - and he was at least 20 feet inside his own half when the ball was played.
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The rules haven't changed. Gabby was taken out before the ball was even touched, even then you have to at least take the ball away from the run of the player for it to be a proper tackle before you hack the player down. Definite penalty and very good refereeing.
Not quite D. Johnson slid in and touched the ball, but only edged it invitingly into Gabby's path. On the follow through he brought Gab down. The fact that it was a penalty even though he touched the ball first was beyond the comprehension of every single bluenose in the world.
I made a similar point on the match thread.
That whole "he touched the ball, therefore it can't be a foul" thing is a total misinterpretation of the laws of the game - it is nonsense, but it gets spouted an awful lot, as if getting a touch on the ball excuses everything else. It doesn't.
MON's take down of Roger Johnson on that point was excellent.
As Dave said, though, it turns out that Gabby had actually been taken out before the defender touched the ball in any case, so all further discussion of what happened after that point is moot.
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Well according to Bluenoses and Greavsie, Luna must have been offside for the 3rd goal.
Someone should tell them you can't be offside in your own half - and he was at least 20 feet inside his own half when the ball was played.
I was taking the mick from their moans about the Dean Saunders goal in 94.
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Hansen back on MOTD2 tonight and, as predicted, his first sentence includes 'pass and move'
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Completely glossed over on tonight's, but in a good way.
"Alan Shearer pointed out last night that it was definitely a penalty", and they moved on from there. Which is good, stops the incorrect version from becoming the story.
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I was sure it was a pen at the time and Shearer simply confirmed it. You can't get the ball lunging from that angle without taking the man too.
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I can't quite take this MOTD being complimentary to us, all a bit weird. Luna's goal just get's better!
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I thought it wasn't on first sighting, but this is why I'm not a referee. Because I'd have been utterly wrong.
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I was sure it was a pen at the time and Shearer simply confirmed it. You can't get the ball lunging from that angle without taking the man too.
This is the key for me. Add to it the angles that both the ref and linesman have, where in both cases you can't be sure koscielney got anything on the ball and whilst it's one I'd say could go either way I think most people would've given it, in the refs position, with no definitive reason not to from the assistant. I thought it looked a touch harsh at the time but I had a gooner here so I was trying very hard to be objective (I did lapse at one point when I called Wilshere a whiny little bitch). I still think the 2nd yellow for koscielney is very harsh though, not because he'd already been booked (which should have no relevance on a 2nd booking anyway) but because it was nothing more than a bit clumsy, the mertesacker tackle on Benteke a few seconds later was far worse.
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I still think the 2nd yellow for koscielney is very harsh though, not because he'd already been booked (which should have no relevance on a 2nd booking anyway) but because it was nothing more than a bit clumsy, the mertesacker tackle on Benteke a few seconds later was far worse.
I think it was given because of the impact it would have had on our movement rather than any amount of malice or danger. Had he not brought down Weimann then we had him and Benteke both running unchallenged at Mertesacker.
It's why I'm amazed that Vlaar didn't receive a second yellow, as his foul was very similar. Nothing more than clumsy, but in a position which prevented a very promising Arsenal attack.
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Koscielny also flicks up his non tackling foot just to make sure he gets some contact on Gabby - a bit like the sort of shitty thing I would have done playing for my dad's pub side 30 years ago. Just to let him know you're there like.
Penalty, on at least two counts, if not three!
Second yellow was harsh - did he actually make any contact with Weimann?
That bloke who does MOTD2 now seems a real Sky 4 tosser! (And I hated Colin FUCKIN' Murray!)
Just me?
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I can't quite take this MOTD being complimentary to us, all a bit weird. Luna's goal just get's better!
I just watched it a couple more times.
I love Lambert. I like his philosophy, I know sometimes he's gung ho about things, and he is far from faultless, but it's really hard not to like a manager who sends out a team which scores goals like that third yesterday.
Luna is on the edge of our area, having blocked a shot, runs the length of the pitch and slots it home, when there are five minutes to go at the Emirates and we're winning and just need to play things safe.
Look at the way Lambert punched the air after, it's his team, alright.
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I think it was more because it was late but you might be right that it was given as a tactical foul. I'd be pretty pissed off if that had been a Villa player. All that said, it was a stupid challenge for a player on a yellow card to make, Vlaar's whilst similar contact was in a very different situation and would've been extremely harsh for me.
I think he was right to give the keeper yellow instead of red as well the scoring chance that would've come if he hadn't been fouled is pretty much the one we had anyway (in terms of the position to the goal), which was a very tough angle to score from., if gabby had a slightly more delicate touch he'd have gone but the ball was going quite wide.
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.....and just sticking with the BBC, John Hartson was full of praise for us on Five Live's commentary of the game. As an ex Arsenal man you would have thought he'd have been just a little biased, but no - it was good to hear.
I listened to the game on Five Live and Hartson thought we were doing exactly the right thing by getting stuck in to Arsenal and not showing them respect or fear. He was also highly critical of how Arsenal and particularly Wilshere couldn't handle it. I loved Arsene's comments on how the ref didn't referee the game in the right spirit. Which translates as Arsenal are one of the big guns and nobody should be allowed to tackle them, especially at home on the first day of the season. I thought we looked far more mature and streetwise than last season.
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I think it was more because it was late but you might be right that it was given as a tactical foul. I'd be pretty pissed off if that had been a Villa player. All that said, it was a stupid challenge for a player on a yellow card to make, Vlaar's whilst similar contact was in a very different situation and would've been extremely harsh for me.
I think he was right to give the keeper yellow instead of red as well the scoring chance that would've come if he hadn't been fouled is pretty much the one we had anyway (in terms of the position to the goal), which was a very tough angle to score from., if gabby had a slightly more delicate touch he'd have gone but the ball was going quite wide.
I don't honestly think most refs can take all this into account when they see what they do - they can only make a decision on what they see in a split second - and they do! Which is why they can get it wrong. (No excuses here!). I don't think they go on how delicate a player's touch is.
(Even though I wish Gabby's could be a bit more delicate at times!)
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I can't quite take this MOTD being complimentary to us, all a bit weird. Luna's goal just get's better!
I just watched it a couple more times.
I love Lambert. I like his philosophy, I know sometimes he's gung ho about things, and he is far from faultless, but it's really hard not to like a manager who sends out a team which scores goals like that third yesterday.
Luna is on the edge of our area, having blocked a shot, runs the length of the pitch and slots it home, when there are five minutes to go at the Emirates and we're winning and just need to play things safe.
Look at the way Lambert punched the air after, it's his team, alright.
He really is great isn't he. We might fall flat on our arses again and struggle all season, but you know he will try and play it his way, which can only be positive.
I loved the way he got into Benteke's head to get him to stay, I am always impressed with his ability to find very cheap footballers that should have cost significantly more when you look at their ability but the mentality he has fought to get into this side is brilliant. Lets hope it continues for a long time to come.
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I think it was more because it was late but you might be right that it was given as a tactical foul. I'd be pretty pissed off if that had been a Villa player. All that said, it was a stupid challenge for a player on a yellow card to make, Vlaar's whilst similar contact was in a very different situation and would've been extremely harsh for me.
I think he was right to give the keeper yellow instead of red as well the scoring chance that would've come if he hadn't been fouled is pretty much the one we had anyway (in terms of the position to the goal), which was a very tough angle to score from., if gabby had a slightly more delicate touch he'd have gone but the ball was going quite wide.
Vlaar had pulled away from the challenge and the bloke fell into his legs as he was already diving over it. So would have been harsh as there was no way to get out of the way. Koscienly was just reckless, and only made no contact due to Weimann taking (very) evasive action!
Re the getting stuck in, first thing I said to my old man after the game yesterday was how much we were willing to put elbows, knees, bodies etc in the way of man and ball, and really get under the skin of Arsenal, which Wilshire in particular really hated. We were niggly, and hard, and generally not enjoyable to play. That is exactly how I have wanted us to be for a long, long time. The soft underbelly seems to be hardening off a bit.
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That clunk in off the post by Luna was very satisfying. Sexiest bit of woodwork-wellying since Staunton's screamer off the stanchion at Old Trafford all those years ago.
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Had to laugh was on Twitter and savage was saying MOTD got it wrong and it wasn't a pen and he'd made a career of tackling? What he was a big fairy I just said to him that he was only saying it because he was a nose and I remember when ref tackled him by punching him in the face, something we'd all like to do I'm sure you'd agree :-)
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I still think the 2nd yellow for koscielney is very harsh though, not because he'd already been booked (which should have no relevance on a 2nd booking anyway) but because it was nothing more than a bit clumsy, the mertesacker tackle on Benteke a few seconds later was far worse.
I think it was given because of the impact it would have had on our movement rather than any amount of malice or danger. Had he not brought down Weimann then we had him and Benteke both running unchallenged at Mertesacker.
It's why I'm amazed that Vlaar didn't receive a second yellow, as his foul was very similar. Nothing more than clumsy, but in a position which prevented a very promising Arsenal attack.
I agree with that dave , i expected to see Vlaar off when their player went down .
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To be fair to Savage, if you don't know the laws of the game then he is right, it wasn't a penalty.
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We all have to realise that all the media coverage - TV, internet, papers is very biased towards 5 or 6 teams who the writers are fans of, and whom the pundits are drawn from. If, as I expect this season, we surprise a few and challenge the 'elite' you can bet your house the usual cliches will be trotted out - one man team, emerging force etc. One I don't see, but I believe is the truth is that Villa are the team who encapsulate the term 'sleeping giant' more than any other premier league team past or present. I think this manager, with sensible backing, could exceed what MON achieved. I think he knows what he is doing and is creating something very special.
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I walked all the way there and all the way back (three miles each way). Dropped into my daughter's flat on the way back for a celebratory beer and listened to grumpy gooners moaning about dirty villa and terrible refs. And also abusive texts from my gooner mate complaining about bent refs and cheting villa. Great day.
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so who was the Villa fan that dropped his child , just to try and grab Bentekes shirt. ;)
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I walked all the way there and all the way back (three miles each way). Dropped into my daughter's flat on the way back for a celebratory beer and listened to grumpy gooners moaning about dirty villa and terrible refs. And also abusive texts from my gooner mate complaining about bent refs and cheting villa. Great day.
That's reminded me, walking back to the Tube after the game I overheard 2 Arse fans saying that "Agbonlahor is Shit!".
I chipped in, "Well he just ripped your team apart!". I don't think they were expecting a Villa fan to be listening. They suddenly went quiet. Sill not sure if they were arrogant or just stupid.
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I walked all the way there and all the way back (three miles each way). Dropped into my daughter's flat on the way back for a celebratory beer and listened to grumpy gooners moaning about dirty villa and terrible refs. And also abusive texts from my gooner mate complaining about bent refs and cheting villa. Great day.
That's reminded me, walking back to the Tube after the game I overheard 2 Arse fans saying that "Agbonlahor is Shit!".
I chipped in, "Well he just ripped your team apart!". I don't think they were expecting a Villa fan to be listening. They suddenly went quiet. Sill not sure if they were arrogant or just stupid.
Probably just plain stupid.
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Shearer and MotD in general actually impressed me for once with their analysis.
The only disagreement I would have is that Gabby was going away from goal and so it wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity. If for arguments sake Chesney Hawkes hadn’t brought Gabby down, then Gabby’s next stride would have been to have slotted the ball into an empty net.
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If for arguments sake Chesney Hawkes hadn’t brought Gabby down, then Gabby’s next stride would have been to have slotted the ball into an empty net.
Having seen Gabby when he's got time to think about things I'm not necessarily sure it would've been!!
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I'm sure that second will be rescinded.
What annoys me is a millisecond after the non challenge on Weimann, Mertesacker does a two foot lunge that Benteke brushes past and he got no card or even a talking too
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
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Shearer and MotD in general actually impressed me for once with their analysis.
The only disagreement I would have is that Gabby was going away from goal and so it wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity. If for arguments sake Chesney Hawkes hadn’t brought Gabby down, then Gabby’s next stride would have been to have slotted the ball into an empty net.
Totally agree and posted similar on the match thread earlier.
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I'm sure that second will be rescinded.
What annoys me is a millisecond after the non challenge on Weimann, Mertesacker does a two foot lunge that Benteke brushes past and he got no card or even a talking too
It can't be, you can't appeal a yellow or appeal a ban resultant from 2 yellows.
Unless it's changed.
Mertesacker was very lucky to get away with that one, everyone I was watching with thought that's what the foul was given for and that he was clearly getting a booking, it was a really poor challenge, mistimed and 2footed, he got away with it largely because his studs were down, studs up and they'd have had both central defenders red carded at the same time. I side on the koscielney one being more clumsy than reckless but I agree it's borderline.
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
They are rotating their panel and the likes of savage, Dublin, Hansen and lawro are still very much part of the furniture - fortunately they werent on this week.
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I enjoyed watching MOTD I like the new set up.
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
They are rotating their panel and the likes of savage, Dublin, Hansen and lawro are still very much part of the furniture - fortunately they werent on this week.
Hansen is retiring after the World Cup but he has been on the wane for years. Departure lounge for Lawro too I think soon enough.
Like them or not Dubllin and Savage at least have thier own opinions.
Then again so does Ian Wright and listening to him (briefly) on 6-0-6 last night was like listening to someone born 40 years after he actually was, i.e. a bloody 9 year old.
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We all have to realise that all the media coverage - TV, internet, papers is very biased towards 5 or 6 teams who the writers are fans of, and whom the pundits are drawn from. If, as I expect this season, we surprise a few and challenge the 'elite' you can bet your house the usual cliches will be trotted out - one man team, emerging force etc. One I don't see, but I believe is the truth is that Villa are the team who encapsulate the term 'sleeping giant' more than any other premier league team past or present. I think this manager, with sensible backing, could exceed what MON achieved. I think he knows what he is doing and is creating something very special.
I think Newcastle have copyrighted the term 'sleeping giant'. Which is fine by me because I think they will be sleeping their way through another season this year. Unlike us.
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Newcastle are a giant which was born asleep and has never woken up. Mumbled and drooled in its sleep once or twice.
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
They are rotating their panel and the likes of savage, Dublin, Hansen and lawro are still very much part of the furniture - fortunately they werent on this week.
I thought Lawro was dropped from the panel entirely, I'm sure there's a post in the other football section about it.
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Hansen retiring? That one day a week, less than forty weeks a year gig in his mid-50's must really be tough.
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
They are rotating their panel and the likes of savage, Dublin, Hansen and lawro are still very much part of the furniture - fortunately they werent on this week.
I thought Lawro was dropped from the panel entirely, I'm sure there's a post in the other football section about it.
Vastly reduced role according to this but still one of the panel-
A friend of the veteran pundit branded the corporation’s handling of his demotion as “absolutely pathetic”, claiming the 56-year-old was the “fall guy” in its attempts to breathe new life into a show that boasts four million viewers.
With Alan Hansen having already decided to quit after next summer’s World Cup, Thursday’s announcement that Lawrenson would have a “reduced role” on Match of the Day marked the beginning of the end for a double act that has been a key feature of British coverage for 16 years.
It became a trio more recently when Alan Shearer took turns with them to sit on the sofa opposite presenter Gary Lineker and dissect Saturday’s matches in a traditional manner that increasingly began to divide opinion.
Speculation was rife all three could be cast aside as the BBC looked to the success Sky Sports enjoyed in nurturing younger analysts, particularly Gary Neville.
But the corporation ultimately decided to retain Hansen and Shearer as lead pundits, while severely rationing the appearances of Lawrenson, who will now be part of a pool of mainly younger names including Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler, Les Ferdinand, Gus Poyet and Gianluca Vialli.
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Did I blink and miss Villa in the opening titles?
Does it really matter about the opening titles?
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Did I blink and miss Villa in the opening titles?
Does it really matter about the opening titles?
Not massively, but we are there.
Lowton celebrating his goal at Stoke. It also finishes with Van Persie's offside goal against us from last season.
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
They are rotating their panel and the likes of savage, Dublin, Hansen and lawro are still very much part of the furniture - fortunately they werent on this week.
I thought Lawro was dropped from the panel entirely, I'm sure there's a post in the other football section about it.
I think he's dropped from MOTD1 completely but will be doing a few guest slots on MOTD2, then finishing completely next year.
Thank f**k for that!
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I started that thread in Other Football and the article was quite vague about what he would be doing, other than he wouldn't be doing as much. Noticed he was still on Football Focus on Saturday.
The less of him the better, as far as I'm concerned.
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
They are rotating their panel and the likes of savage, Dublin, Hansen and lawro are still very much part of the furniture - fortunately they werent on this week.
I thought Lawro was dropped from the panel entirely, I'm sure there's a post in the other football section about it.
Vastly reduced role according to this but still one of the panel-
A friend of the veteran pundit branded the corporation’s handling of his demotion as “absolutely pathetic”, claiming the 56-year-old was the “fall guy” in its attempts to breathe new life into a show that boasts four million viewers.
With Alan Hansen having already decided to quit after next summer’s World Cup, Thursday’s announcement that Lawrenson would have a “reduced role” on Match of the Day marked the beginning of the end for a double act that has been a key feature of British coverage for 16 years.
It became a trio more recently when Alan Shearer took turns with them to sit on the sofa opposite presenter Gary Lineker and dissect Saturday’s matches in a traditional manner that increasingly began to divide opinion.
Speculation was rife all three could be cast aside as the BBC looked to the success Sky Sports enjoyed in nurturing younger analysts, particularly Gary Neville.
But the corporation ultimately decided to retain Hansen and Shearer as lead pundits, while severely rationing the appearances of Lawrenson, who will now be part of a pool of mainly younger names including Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler, Les Ferdinand, Gus Poyet and Gianluca Vialli.
Fowler? Can't stand that fucking wanker, even Owen is more likeable.
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Did I blink and miss Villa in the opening titles?
Does it really matter about the opening titles?
Not massively, but we are there.
Lowton celebrating his goal at Stoke. It also finishes with Van Persie's offside goal against us from last season.
Has any other offside goal won Goal of the Season?
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I'm sorry -WHICH offside Van Persie goal?
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There is nothing wrong with MOTD that plenty of Villa victories this season can't fix.
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There is nothing wrong with MOTD that plenty of Villa victories this season can't fix.
agreed, nothing better then watching MoTD after a good win..
https://www.facebook.com/UPtheVILLAfans?fref=ts
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There is nothing wrong with MOTD that plenty of Villa victories this season can't fix.
agreed, nothing better then watching MoTD after a good win..
https://www.facebook.com/UPtheVILLAfans?fref=ts
Is the entire point of your post actually just to post a link to that Facebook page?
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Felt sorry for Carragher during his analysis on MNF!!! last night. He seemed nervous and uncomfortable standing-up and offering his insight after Gary Neville's go. Stuttered quite a bit and what he couldn't get out in words he seemed to be over-compensating in body-language - lots of gesticulating with hands and arms.
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Felt sorry for Carragher during his analysis on MNF!!! last night. He seemed nervous and uncomfortable standing-up and offering his insight after Gary Neville's go. Stuttered quite a bit and what he couldn't get out in words he seemed to be over-compensating in body-language - lots of gesticulating with hands and arms.
I much preferred Neville to do the analysis on his own - carragher was squeaking and squawking away and Neville struggled to get his points in - didnt work well together in my opinion.
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Carragher was doing a good job of praising Villa though.
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There is nothing wrong with MOTD that plenty of Villa victories this season can't fix.
agreed, nothing better then watching MoTD after a good win..
https://www.facebook.com/UPtheVILLAfans?fref=ts
Is the entire point of your post actually just to post a link to that Facebook page?
no not at all mate, to be honest after a good win i'm usually too drunk to even watch Match of the Day, very glad it's on iplayer this year. does anyone know if it's the same as MOTD 2 last year and on from a Tuesday?
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Felt sorry for Carragher during his analysis on MNF!!! last night. He seemed nervous and uncomfortable standing-up and offering his insight after Gary Neville's go. Stuttered quite a bit and what he couldn't get out in words he seemed to be over-compensating in body-language - lots of gesticulating with hands and arms.
I much preferred Neville to do the analysis on his own - carragher was squeaking and squawking away and Neville struggled to get his points in - didnt work well together in my opinion.
a manc and a scouse is never a good combination
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There is nothing wrong with MOTD that plenty of Villa victories this season can't fix.
agreed, nothing better then watching MoTD after a good win..
https://www.facebook.com/UPtheVILLAfans?fref=ts
Is the entire point of your post actually just to post a link to that Facebook page?
no not at all mate, to be honest after a good win i'm usually too drunk to even watch Match of the Day, very glad it's on iplayer this year. does anyone know if it's the same as MOTD 2 last year and on from a Tuesday?
Became available on i player at midnight on Monday night i believe according to the bbc website .
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There is nothing wrong with MOTD that plenty of Villa victories this season can't fix.
agreed, nothing better then watching MoTD after a good win..
https://www.facebook.com/UPtheVILLAfans?fref=ts
Is the entire point of your post actually just to post a link to that Facebook page?
no not at all mate, to be honest after a good win i'm usually too drunk to even watch Match of the Day, very glad it's on iplayer this year. does anyone know if it's the same as MOTD 2 last year and on from a Tuesday?
From Monday lunchtime onwards.
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Match of the Day is now available to view on the BBC iPlayer from midnight on Monday.
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/prog_availability/motd
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I'm never really sure whether midnight on Monday means the crossover from Sunday in to Monday (which is strictly the only midnight on a Monday - ie 00:00) or Monday in to Tuesday (which is the middle of Monday night).
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I'm never really sure whether midnight on Monday means the crossover from Sunday in to Monday (which is strictly the only midnight on a Monday - ie 00:00) or Monday in to Tuesday (which is the middle of Monday night).
You've got me confused now, 00:00 (or 00:01), is the beginning of a day, not midnight.
24:00 is midnight.
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I felt for Carragher. No doubting his analytical knowledge and his passion for the game - he made some very astute points about the way our midfield coped with Arsenal attacks and how lame their defenders were against Gabby in particular. But his misfortune is that he has this squeaky little voice even when he speaks normally, so when he cranks up the passion his voice goes in the same direction, till there's nowhere left to go; it's wearing to listen to. A bit of speech therapy methinks would not go amiss.
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I felt for Carragher. No doubting his analytical knowledge and his passion for the game - he made some very astute points about the way our midfield coped with Arsenal attacks and how lame their defenders were against Gabby in particular. But his misfortune is that he has this squeaky little voice even when he speaks normally, so when he cranks up the passion his voice goes in the same direction, till there's nowhere left to go; it's wearing to listen to. A bit of speech therapy methinks would not go amiss.
His voice is so high-pitched, to translate it into sign language you have to stand on a step ladder
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What a vomit inducing intro on MOTD2.
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What a vomit inducing intro on MOTD2.
What was it?
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I felt for Carragher. No doubting his analytical knowledge and his passion for the game - he made some very astute points about the way our midfield coped with Arsenal attacks and how lame their defenders were against Gabby in particular. But his misfortune is that he has this squeaky little voice even when he speaks normally, so when he cranks up the passion his voice goes in the same direction, till there's nowhere left to go; it's wearing to listen to. A bit of speech therapy methinks would not go amiss.
His voice is so high-pitched, to translate it into sign language you have to stand on a step ladder
my Labradors swear by him
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Generally it seems MOTD have upped their game. Linekar sounded and acted more professional, Shearer seems to actually have put in thought nowadays rather than trot out the very tired old cliches, they have binned Lawro which was important as he is lazy and drags everyone down to his own level with his totally unfunny infantile quips, replaced him with Murphy who seems half decent and Hansen was shoved to MOTD2.
They are rotating their panel and the likes of savage, Dublin, Hansen and lawro are still very much part of the furniture - fortunately they werent on this week.
I thought Lawro was dropped from the panel entirely, I'm sure there's a post in the other football section about it.
Vastly reduced role according to this but still one of the panel-
A friend of the veteran pundit branded the corporation’s handling of his demotion as “absolutely pathetic”, claiming the 56-year-old was the “fall guy” in its attempts to breathe new life into a show that boasts four million viewers.
With Alan Hansen having already decided to quit after next summer’s World Cup, Thursday’s announcement that Lawrenson would have a “reduced role” on Match of the Day marked the beginning of the end for a double act that has been a key feature of British coverage for 16 years.
It became a trio more recently when Alan Shearer took turns with them to sit on the sofa opposite presenter Gary Lineker and dissect Saturday’s matches in a traditional manner that increasingly began to divide opinion.
Speculation was rife all three could be cast aside as the BBC looked to the success Sky Sports enjoyed in nurturing younger analysts, particularly Gary Neville.
But the corporation ultimately decided to retain Hansen and Shearer as lead pundits, while severely rationing the appearances of Lawrenson, who will now be part of a pool of mainly younger names including Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler, Les Ferdinand, Gus Poyet and Gianluca Vialli.
Fowler? Can't stand that fucking wanker, even Owen is more likeable.
Owen might be more acceptable than Fowler, but he's lacking in personality. He was awful on the first game on the BT Football channel, and generated loads of adverse comments.
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What a vomit inducing intro on MOTD2.
What was it?
To the locals it's not a football ground but a stage. The match the world wants to watch. The usual guff.
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What a vomit inducing intro on MOTD2.
What was it?
To the locals it's not a football ground but a stage. The match the world wants to watch. The usual guff.
And then they showed a 0-0 game.
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What a vomit inducing intro on MOTD2.
What was it?
To the locals it's not a football ground but a stage. The match the world wants to watch. The usual guff.
And then they showed a 0-0 game.
I've only read this page and didn't watch MOTD2. I'm guessing they were talking about United v Chelsea. Or was someone slightly over hyping Newcastle v West Ham?
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What a vomit inducing intro on MOTD2.
My thoughts as well. What's the point of a pompous advert for a game that we are just about to watch the highlights ? We must hype this up or those football fans will switch over to 'Newsnight'. British film directors used to cut their teeth on adverts,they probably start now at MOTD.
The result of the weekend was Cardiff putting 3 past Citeh but the footage of the game was a mere 6 minute filler before the main event ,Moyes v Mourinho,or the non-event Man U v Chelsea which seemed less important than close-ups of the afore mentioned managers.
More time is now being spent on music and montage,banter between the presenters,analysis and interviews and less and less time on actual footage of the matches.
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The worst thing about the beeb at the moment is the amount of air time they give to that pratt Peter Schmeichel.
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What a vomit inducing intro on MOTD2.
What was it?
To the locals it's not a football ground but a stage. The match the world wants to watch. The usual guff.
And then they showed a 0-0 game.
The only reason that they didn't show it first was because they weren't allowed to. In spite of the fact that both of Sunday's games were superior entertainment.
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The worst thing about the beeb at the moment is the amount of air time they give to that pratt Peter Schmeichel.
He really was talking an enormous pile of shite last night. Even Shearer looked embarrassed and had to cut in a couple of times to stop him rabbiting on.
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The worst thing about the beeb at the moment is the amount of air time they give to that pratt Peter Schmeichel.
He really was talking an enormous pile of shite last night. Even Shearer looked embarrassed and had to cut in a couple of times to stop him rabbiting on.
They have short memories at the Beeb, both Schmeichel and Ian Wright were binned off for being crap a while back.
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To be fair, in the first couple of weeks I think She-Ra has stepped up to the plate. I have been surprisingly impressed by him.
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To be fair, in the first couple of weeks I think She-Ra has stepped up to the plate. I have been surprisingly impressed by him.
Yeah, I remember Gary Lineker was ropey at first. But he worked hard at his craft and is now perfectly acceptable as an anchor. Shearer comes across as a similar character - not prepared to just sit on his laurels and bumble on for 20 years about nothing (see Lawro).
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The worst thing about the beeb at the moment is the amount of air time they give to that pratt Peter Schmeichel.
He really was talking an enormous pile of shite last night. Even Shearer looked embarrassed and had to cut in a couple of times to stop him rabbiting on.
They have short memories at the Beeb, both Schmeichel and Ian Wright were binned off for being crap a while back.
These days at the Beeb, when it comes to former employees, being crap is way down the list of things that would stop you getting a second chance.
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Shearer is guff. lazy lazy punditry from a witless and charisma lacking thug.
Still, he is better than Carragher. At half time on MNF it was like he had a loose wire and kept shutting down
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Shearer seems to have improved. Whether that is because he has stepped up as main pundit with Hansen and Lawro being sidelined or because the BBC has decided to change their own style is another matter.
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Tremendous article in the Times yesterday about Carragher and Neville, made me laugh out loud on the train. Pointing out Carragher's impossible to understand spoken word.
Edited for fish finger fingers typing -twice
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Two things I noticed tonight were that Michael Owen is awful on TV and the handball rule seems to have been scrapped. Also, on the football league show I noticed that David Dunn is going grey. And the Premier league weekend is a far, far duller place without the Villa.
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Good footwork from the fat lad though.
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MOTD tonight, Lineker (ok fair enough) plus Owen and savage . Wtf !! Doesn't Owen also do BT and the BBC appear to have an unhealthy obsession with Savage who is all over everything - 606 ruined MOTD ruined , granted Strictly is shit anyways but still! Come on.
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Two things I noticed tonight were that Michael Owen is awful on TV and the handball rule seems to have been scrapped. Also, on the football league show I noticed that David Dunn is going grey. And the Premier league weekend is a far, far duller place without the Villa.
Our goals from midweek weren't deemed worthy enough to be shown on Football Focus today, yet those of almost all the other Premier League clubs were (including Albion).
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Surprised to see Paul Robinson covering one of the midweek games on Sky Sports News the other night. Has he retired? He's got good fluidity in his speech and can articulate the requisite footballisms but Christ, it's all in monotone. Felt a bit bad cos he was always a good sport at VP when we used to give him stick.
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Injured I think.
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Two things I noticed tonight were that Michael Owen is awful on TV and the handball rule seems to have been scrapped. Also, on the football league show I noticed that David Dunn is going grey. And the Premier league weekend is a far, far duller place without the Villa.
Our goals from midweek weren't deemed worthy enough to be shown on Football Focus today, yet those of almost all the other Premier League clubs were (including Albion).
I noticed that as well, not sure if we were the only ones missed out, but the mid-week 'Capital One Cup Round - Up' certainly didn't feature our goals.
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I think Paul Robinson has been/is out with a long term stomach problem. I agree he is monotone but also talks sensibly and honestly.
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Seems like a decent, intelligent chap.
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
Hartson is a bit of a surprise. He is quite good. Michael Owen (as is obvious) is dreadful. Been living on his Liverpool days for far too many years. Don Goodman has always impressed me but never seems to get his big chance.
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
Hartson is a bit of a surprise. He is quite good. Michael Owen (as is obvious) is dreadful. Been living on his Liverpool days for far too many years. Don Goodman has always impressed me but never seems to get his big chance.
Agree about Goodman, one of the better ones.
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
I agree. I also think Hartson is a very good co-commentator on 5 Live.
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Yes, I like Hartson very much indeed. He's a bit like Danny Mills in that he always came over as a bit of thug as a player but puts his views over well and is not afraid to say what he thinks. Excellent on Radio 5 too as Damo says. I thought the panel were a big improvement last night and none of them was afraid to air their own opinion on things: Murphy on Anelka, Hartson on West Brom and Poyet on Di Canio. Made for a refreshing change
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Yes, I like Hartson very much indeed. He's a bit like Danny Mills in that he always came over as a bit of thug as a player but puts his views over well and is not afraid to say what he thinks. Excellent on Radio 5 too as Damo says. I thought the panel were a big improvement last night and none of them was afraid to air their own opinion on things: Murphy on Anelka, Hartson on West Brom and Poyet on Di Canio. Made for a refreshing change
Liked both Hartson and Mills on MOTD2, I hope they keep calling them back. Also the current host of MOTD2 is vast improvement on Murray, I couldn't stand him.
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As stated before I think they are doing a good job of freshening it up. Hartson and Mills are good on 5live as co-commentators.
Murphy is also good from what I have seen, I don't even mind Savage if truth be told (hated the wretched thug a player mind). Poyet is insightful and Shearer is much much improved.
Hansen is retiring at the end of the season and he has being going off the boil for a long time. Lawro is lazy and boring and has been demoted.
Then again they seem to give Owen and Ian Wright employment for go only knows what reason.
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Is that Kenny Dalglish's daughter Kelly who does 606 with Ian Wright? I listened recently and was very impressed with her - she clearly knows her football, is considerate with callers and steers "Wrighty" towards the logical side of an argument when he gets a bit lairy. I should feel bad for saying this but I was a bit surprised at how good she is cos a lot of the Sky Sports News girls don't exactly do much to dissuade you from the idea that they were hired for their looks.
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Yes, it's KKK's daughter.
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Shearer is guff. lazy lazy punditry from a witless and charisma lacking thug.
Still, he is better than Carragher. At half time on MNF it was like he had a loose wire and kept shutting down
I'll be amazed if Carragher lasts the season. Everytime he got excited he was on the verge of bursting into a barrage of fuc................
Never thought i'd say this but i'm impressed with Gary Neville. I'm off for a shower now.
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Liked both Hartson and Mills on MOTD2, I hope they keep calling them back. Also the current host of MOTD2 is vast improvement on Murray, I couldn't stand him.
Murray is now much better suited to his talksport slot where he can talk gibberish for two hours without being disturbed by any need for substance, reason or sense.
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Liked both Hartson and Mills on MOTD2, I hope they keep calling them back. Also the current host of MOTD2 is vast improvement on Murray, I couldn't stand him.
Murray is now much better suited to his talksport slot where he can talk gibberish for two hours without being disturbed by any need for substance, reason or sense.
He's never stuck for something to say, is he?
At least he's excited about football rather than miserable like Rodney Marsh used to be when he was on Sky, years ago. Now there was a pundit who used to irritate me to the point of switching off and going shopping instead.
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Liked both Hartson and Mills on MOTD2, I hope they keep calling them back. Also the current host of MOTD2 is vast improvement on Murray, I couldn't stand him.
Murray is now much better suited to his talksport slot where he can talk gibberish for two hours without being disturbed by any need for substance, reason or sense.
He's never stuck for something to say, is he?
At least he's excited about football rather than miserable like Rodney Marsh used to be when he was on Sky, years ago. Now there was a pundit who used to irritate me to the point of switching off and going shopping instead.
Michael Owen might cause a similar exodus ;D
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Owen is just as effective a pundit as he has been a footballer in the 7/8 years. Simply getting paid for nothing!
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Alan Hansen is to retire.
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There are only two things wrong with Owen as a pundit. He doesn't say anything worth listening to and he takes too long to say it.
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The BBC could learn a lot from the Italian equivalent of MOTD concerning presenters..
http://imgur.com/gallery/MpNHEtt
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Whilst I appreciate the pictures, I don't think she has anything to do with Italian MotD, South American maybe, but not Italian.
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The BBC could learn a lot from the Italian equivalent of MOTD concerning presenters..
http://imgur.com/gallery/MpNHEtt
Certainly a couple of points in her favour ....
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Whilst I appreciate the pictures, I don't think she has anything to do with Italian MotD, South American maybe, but not Italian.
You're right, a little bit of research says she's from, to absolutely no surprise to anybody that's ever visited the country, Argentina.
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Shearer is guff. lazy lazy punditry from a witless and charisma lacking thug.
Still, he is better than Carragher. At half time on MNF it was like he had a loose wire and kept shutting down
I'll be amazed if Carragher lasts the season. Everytime he got excited he was on the verge of bursting into a barrage of fuc................
Never thought i'd say this but i'm impressed with Gary Neville. I'm off for a shower now.
A shower before xmas QB you have changed
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I never saw the point or need for Carragher in the first place. I thought Ed Chamberlin and Gary Neville were excellent without needing a third wheel.
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Whilst I appreciate the pictures, I don't think she has anything to do with Italian MotD, South American maybe, but not Italian.
You're right, a little bit of research says she's from, to absolutely no surprise to anybody that's ever visited the country, Argentina.
I wish she stood next to me at a match with one of her Argentina tops on..goodness me
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He's a bit like Danny Mills in that he always came over as a bit of thug as a player but puts his views over well and is not afraid to say what he thinks. e
I'm not sure Mills says what he's really thinking. I would love somebody to ask him his views on women in sport.
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I never saw the point or need for Carragher in the first place. I thought Ed Chamberlin and Gary Neville were excellent without needing a third wheel.
Agreed, Neville is very good but carragher just squeaks .
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
I agree. I also think Hartson is a very good co-commentator on 5 Live.
I really like listening to Hartson. I can't put my finger on why. I think it's because he's not a smartarse or a wannabe controversialist. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He seems quite an ordinary bloke.
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
I agree. I also think Hartson is a very good co-commentator on 5 Live.
I really like listening to Hartson. I can't put my finger on why. I think it's because he's not a smartarse or a wannabe controversialist. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He seems quite an ordinary bloke.
I wonder if he would have always been like that or whether his close brush with death changed him.
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Big John Carew is making his pundit debut on Football Focus right now.
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
I agree. I also think Hartson is a very good co-commentator on 5 Live.
I really like listening to Hartson. I can't put my finger on why. I think it's because he's not a smartarse or a wannabe controversialist. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He seems quite an ordinary bloke.
I wonder if he would have always been like that or whether his close brush with death changed him.
Nah, after my illness I'm still the same insufferable know all I always was.
Actually, going through it you do tend to discuss this with fellow sufferers and people close to you, and it is something most agree on. It's partly that all of the certainties of your life are shaken a little and partly that while you are going through treatment and recovery you have an awful lot of time on your hands.
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
I agree. I also think Hartson is a very good co-commentator on 5 Live.
I really like listening to Hartson. I can't put my finger on why. I think it's because he's not a smartarse or a wannabe controversialist. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He seems quite an ordinary bloke.
I wonder if he would have always been like that or whether his close brush with death changed him.
Nah, after my illness I'm still the same insufferable know all I always was.
Yeah you are Chris, that's why I like you.
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Big John Carew is making his pundit debut on Football Focus right now.
I was quite impressed with his acting, at least in the clip I saw!
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Robbie Savage on MOTD pontificating about violent conduct, bad sportsmanship and the spirit of the game. To steal a new catchphrase, is this how far we have fallen?
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
I agree. I also think Hartson is a very good co-commentator on 5 Live.
I really like listening to Hartson. I can't put my finger on why. I think it's because he's not a smartarse or a wannabe controversialist. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He seems quite an ordinary bloke.
I wonder if he would have always been like that or whether his close brush with death changed him.
Nah, after my illness I'm still the same insufferable know all I always was.
Yeah you are Chris, that's why I like you.
I think you're a twat Chris.
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"I was headbutted by Dion Dublin!" Even Lineker laughed at that!!
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Murphy and Hartson are good and much much better than likes of Owen and Lawrenson.
I agree. I also think Hartson is a very good co-commentator on 5 Live.
I really like listening to Hartson. I can't put my finger on why. I think it's because he's not a smartarse or a wannabe controversialist. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He seems quite an ordinary bloke.
I wonder if he would have always been like that or whether his close brush with death changed him.
Nah, after my illness I'm still the same insufferable know all I always was.
Yeah you are Chris, that's why I like you.
I think you're a twat Chris.
Me too!
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Savage talking about being head butted by Dion....ahhh happy days.
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Savage talking about being head butted by Dion....ahhh happy days.
It's almost a shame he can remember it. Dion should have done a better a job. If you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.
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He is a beautiful man. Loved watching him play for us.
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Surprisingly after giving us a big up, they then side with Moaninhio that the ref had a shocker.
How can Bennett be the last man when Vlaar is pretty much level with Ramirez?
I do agree that the Willian one was a little harsh but on first showing and the refs position, it would have looked like a deliberate pull back.
But then they did decide that Hull didn't have a penalty in the exact same circumstances that rat face got one against us, yet they have the cheek to have a go at refs for inconsistency.
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Surprisingly after giving us a big up, they then side with Moaninhio that the ref had a shocker.
How can Bennett be the last man when Vlaar is pretty much level with Ramirez?
I do agree that the Willian one was a little harsh but on first showing and the refs position, it would have looked like a deliberate pull back.
But then they did decide that Hull didn't have a penalty in the exact same circumstances that rat face got one against us, yet they have the cheek to have a go at refs for inconsistency.
They are talking shite
The Ref had a great game
Bennett was not the last man. Fact.
Will I Am did pull Delph back.
And Moaninho deserved to be sent off because he carried on the argument / dispute ad infinitum / ad nauseum.
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Stan Collymore @StanCollymore 1h
Watching MOTD with @sammatterface This. Will. Be. Fun.
#utv #avfc
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Surprisingly after giving us a big up, they then side with Moaninhio that the ref had a shocker.
How can Bennett be the last man when Vlaar is pretty much level with Ramirez?
I do agree that the Willian one was a little harsh but on first showing and the refs position, it would have looked like a deliberate pull back.
But then they did decide that Hull didn't have a penalty in the exact same circumstances that rat face got one against us, yet they have the cheek to have a go at refs for inconsistency.
They are talking shite
The Ref had a great game
Bennett was not the last man. Fact.
Will I Am did pull Delph back.
And Moaninho deserved to be sent off because he carried on the argument / dispute ad infinitum / ad nauseum.
Definitely.
And good to see that refs are catching on to the Portugese/Brazilian method of creative fouling at the "moment of transition". Tim Vickery, the Brazil based South American commentator for the BBC has been banging on about this for years.
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Surprisingly after giving us a big up, they then side with Moaninhio that the ref had a shocker.
How can Bennett be the last man when Vlaar is pretty much level with Ramirez?
I do agree that the Willian one was a little harsh but on first showing and the refs position, it would have looked like a deliberate pull back.
But then they did decide that Hull didn't have a penalty in the exact same circumstances that rat face got one against us, yet they have the cheek to have a go at refs for inconsistency.
They are talking shite
The Ref had a great game
Bennett was not the last man. Fact.
Will I Am did pull Delph back.
And Moaninho deserved to be sent off because he carried on the argument / dispute ad infinitum / ad nauseum.
Definitely.
And good to see that refs are catching on to the Portugese/Brazilian method of creative fouling at the "moment of transition". Tim Vickery, the Brazil based South American commentator for the BBC has been banging on about this for years.
Agreed
Vickery is a very good and insgihtful football journalist. Stays way from cliches. His articles are very constructive.
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Willian should never have been sent off. Lambert said he would have been questioning it had it been against us and I would say the same.
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It was in our favour = correct red card.
It was against Chavski = correct red card.
Case closed.
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Willian should never have been sent off. Lambert said he would have been questioning it had it been against us and I would say the same.
I think it was because the ref gave every aggressive or professional foul a yellow card.
So he had made that precedent when it came to the Willian decision.
In isolation it looked harsh, but in the context of other bookings it was understandable.
Anyway based on the cheating last season and the decisions they got at their place we were definitely due one.
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Willian should never have been sent off. Lambert said he would have been questioning it had it been against us and I would say the same.
Thing is, would it have been a yellow if he didn't already have one? I've seen yellow cards given for less. He intentionally impeded the progress of a player in full flight. So certainly a foul and you could make a strong case for a caution. Harsh only in the sense that it resulted in a red, but not necessarily in the context of it warranting a caution is how I saw it.
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I don't actually think Chavsea can have any complaints with any of the decisions.
It was handball.
It was a yellow card for Willian, you can't grab hold of a player running straight at the back four and pull him down like that and not expect a booking these days.
It was a straight red for Ramirez, think he got a 2nd yellow so got away without a longer ban if anything.
If Moaniniho wants to come on the field to whinge at the Ref during the match then he can fuck off too, very dangerous precedent to let that go IMHO.
We looked the better team and created the better chances.
Really don't see what they,ve got to whine about tbh.
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It was a straight red for Ramirez, think he got a 2nd yellow so got away without a longer ban if anything.
It was a straight red, automatic 3 match ban.
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The Ramires one deserved two red cards so I like to think it evened itself out.
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The ref gave Chelsea nearly every decision up to the William sending off which was justified, he looked starstruck. I thought he was poor but not for the same reasons as Mourinho gave.
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Willian deserved a second yellow for his haircut alone.
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Willian deserved a second yellow for his haircut alone.
True. His hairmaggedon should not be overlooked.
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The commentary for the goal is superb, already watched it about 15 times this morning. The Holte was bouncing.
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I can't believe there was any question about whether Delph meant it. What on earth was he trying to do otherwise?!
We did get the rub of the green on Bennett and Willian but after the game at Stamford bridge I think it's evened itself out
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Willian should never have been sent off. Lambert said he would have been questioning it had it been against us and I would say the same.
Thing is, would it have been a yellow if he didn't already have one? I've seen yellow cards given for less. He intentionally impeded the progress of a player in full flight. So certainly a foul and you could make a strong case for a caution. Harsh only in the sense that it resulted in a red, but not necessarily in the context of it warranting a caution is how I saw it.
A soft red card, yes, but he was warned. And it was a foul, despite the drivel Shearer came out with on MOTD.
Mourinho being sent off was funny, if unnecessary, though.
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Bennett was never a straight Red, what the fuck is Shearer talking about ? He's going away from goal and Vlaar is covering .
Yellow is the correct card
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Shearer was under the mistaken impression that Bennett was last man.
Which he wasn't.
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Shearer was under the mistaken impression that Bennett was last man.
Which he wasn't.
Although Vlaar was alongside the Chelsea player, Shearer thought he would never have caught him. Clearly he thinks the ref has a load of Top Trumps cards in his pocket which allow him to consult various players' pace stats before making a decision.
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Bennett was never a straight Red, what the fuck is Shearer talking about ? He's going away from goal and Vlaar is covering .
Yellow is the correct card
Shearer talking crap. The Sky analysis totally contradicted him, saying that Vlaar would've easily caught him.
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I thought the ref got the decisions right. I said to my sister as soon Baker was booked there would be a red card, as soon as the ref does that he sets his stall out and has to book any similar challenges throughout the game. The first red card was soft but you can't do that on a yellow nowadays you'll more than likely get sent off. Bennett's wasn't a red either he was going away from goal and Vlaar has a lot of pace so I think he'd have caught him.
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Yeah the early Baker booking was harsh and set the tone
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Lineker, She-Ra and Savage, that's the MOTD dream team right there.
The dream team of people you'd push in front of a tube train.
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The commentary for the goal is superb, already watched it about 15 times this morning. The Holte was bouncing.
Watched it few time last night.Spoted a Steward celebrating the goal in front of the Holte, toward the Trinity.
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I too am surprised people are thinking Bennett was a straight red, I've looked on a Chelsea forum and they are all predictably crying about it. A player is never sent off as last man when there's another covering defender in the vicinity, Ron was practically level with Ramires when the foul occurred.
If anything there was a foul in the second half when Vlaar took out I think Hazard on the edge of the penalty area that looked more of a red to me as the player was through on goal but amusingly MOTD didn't show that (nor the Vlaar header that just went wide before our goal but they're always terrible at editing chances).
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Lineker, She-Ra and Savage, that's the MOTD dream team right there.
The dream team of people you'd push in front of a tube train.
That would be a cruel thing to do.
To the tube driver.
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Willian should never have been sent off. Lambert said he would have been questioning it had it been against us and I would say the same.
Thing is, would it have been a yellow if he didn't already have one? I've seen yellow cards given for less. He intentionally impeded the progress of a player in full flight. So certainly a foul and you could make a strong case for a caution. Harsh only in the sense that it resulted in a red, but not necessarily in the context of it warranting a caution is how I saw it.
The Willian one was harsh having seen it again. It just shows with the pace and acceleration of players in the premier league the dangers of getting the wrong side of your opponent as Delph is very quick when he gets into his stride.
There was an identical incident in our game with Stoke last season at VP. I forget the player as the game was so dreadful but he was on a yellow, barely clipped our player who was attacking with pace from behind and he got sent off.
Harsh but it happens with the speed of the game nowadays.
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Yeah the early Baker booking was harsh and set the tone
Baker got booked as early in the VP game at the end of last season and two red cards followed so does seem a bit of spice in our games v Chelsea currently.
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Lineker, She-Ra and Savage, that's the MOTD dream team right there.
The dream team of people you'd push in front of a tube train.
That would be a cruel thing to do.
To the tube driver.
I presume he meant a runaway train, just to make sure there would be no driver error (i.e. applying the brakes).
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Shearer was under the mistaken impression that Bennett was last man.
Which he wasn't.
Although Vlaar was alongside the Chelsea player, Shearer thought he would never have caught him. Clearly he thinks the ref has a load of Top Trumps cards in his pocket which allow him to consult various players' pace stats before making a decision.
Being last man is the wrong term though, the law refers to denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity. Despite Vlaar being close by, the Chelsea geezer would at least have had a chance of a run at goal and getting a shot away so there is at least a case for a red card. However the fact it was quite far out, plus the ball was knocked forwards not in the direction of the goal, added to the proximity of Ron probably combines enough doubt to justify a yellow. I thought he officials got most things right - the offsides, the disallowed goal, the Ramires straight red - but Willian's second yellow was never a card, and Ron was very lucky not go off for a second yellow. But after the blatant one-eyedness of the officiating in the reverse fixture it's good that we got the rub of the green for a change. Have a bit of karma Mourinho you arrogant bastard. And well done to the Villa for playing more like they can yesterday.
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I'd prefer to see Munish , Claridge and Pat Nevin running MOTD , they talk more sense.
What's happened to lineker ? He looks like a plastic manikin nowadays
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Did Willian commit any other fouls between his first booking and pushing Delph over?
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Justice was done after the decisions that went against us in the reverse fixture at Stamford Bridge. Ivanovic elbowed Gabby and should of got sent off, then he went on to score the winning goal. In the last minute John Terry basically caught the ball for a stonewall penalty and we got nothing. Short memories Chavski fans.
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Being last man is the wrong term though, the law refers to denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity. Despite Vlaar being close by, the Chelsea geezer would at least have had a chance of a run at goal and getting a shot away so there is at least a case for a red card. However the fact it was quite far out, plus the ball was knocked forwards not in the direction of the goal, added to the proximity of Ron probably combines enough doubt to justify a yellow. I thought he officials got most things right - the offsides, the disallowed goal, the Ramires straight red - but Willian's second yellow was never a card, and Ron was very lucky not go off for a second yellow. But after the blatant one-eyedness of the officiating in the reverse fixture it's good that we got the rub of the green for a change. Have a bit of karma Mourinho you arrogant bastard. And well done to the Villa for playing more like they can yesterday.
What was the second for?
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The commentary for the goal is superb, already watched it about 15 times this morning. The Holte was bouncing.
I posted this on the post match thread, but worth another plug for the MOTD boys. Great and memorable commentary from Guy Mowbray, who I have always liked, when Delph scores: 'LOOK at the Holte End!!! LISTEN to the Holte End!!!' A great moment well covered by the Beeb.
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Shearer was under the mistaken impression that Bennett was last man.
Which he wasn't.
Although Vlaar was alongside the Chelsea player, Shearer thought he would never have caught him. Clearly he thinks the ref has a load of Top Trumps cards in his pocket which allow him to consult various players' pace stats before making a decision.
As I was driving home from the game Savage was saying the same on 606. Basically "Bennett wasn't the last man as Vlaar was there but Vlaar wouldn't have been fast enough to stop a goalscoring opportunity". So Savage and Shearer clearly know some smallprint in the rule that nobody else does.
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Shearer was under the mistaken impression that Bennett was last man.
Which he wasn't.
Although Vlaar was alongside the Chelsea player, Shearer thought he would never have caught him. Clearly he thinks the ref has a load of Top Trumps cards in his pocket which allow him to consult various players' pace stats before making a decision.
As I was driving home from the game Savage was saying the same on 606. Basically "Bennett wasn't the last man as Vlaar was there but Vlaar wouldn't have been fast enough to stop a goalscoring opportunity". So Savage and Shearer clearly know some smallprint in the rule that nobody else does.
Get Stan on instead on Talkshite, none of that sort of crap on his phone ins, he could barely contain his glee
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Shearer was under the mistaken impression that Bennett was last man.
Which he wasn't.
Although Vlaar was alongside the Chelsea player, Shearer thought he would never have caught him. Clearly he thinks the ref has a load of Top Trumps cards in his pocket which allow him to consult various players' pace stats before making a decision.
This comment made me chuckle so according to shearer the laws of the games have changed as well because as you say the ref has then got to make the defender and striker have a Top Gear style drag race to decide which one is quicker.
I cant stand Shearer he thinks once a striker gets in the box the laws change to entitle you to go down what a twat , If Delph had been in the box when he was pulled back he would have a totally different opinion and as for Savage......words fail.
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I cant stand Shearer he thinks once a striker gets in the box the laws change to entitle you to go down what a twat , If Delph had been in the box when he was pulled back he would have a totally different opinion and as for Savage......words fail.
Although as I said, it seems you must be a top team to have Shearer give your blessing for the attacker diving at a keepers feet. No difference to the one against us where his words were , even if Brad didn't touch him, it was still his fault for coming out like he did. Yesterday, the striker dived.
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Lineker, She-Ra and Savage, that's the MOTD dream team right there.
The dream team of people you'd push in front of a tube train.
That would be a cruel thing to do.
To the tube driver.
It's fine, Lawro's driving.
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Guy Mowbray on Motd 2.Top geezer
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any links available for MOTD last night?
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any links available for MOTD last night?
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-1-chelsea-0-motd-highlights/
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any links available for MOTD last night?
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-1-chelsea-0-motd-highlights/
Thanks. Jimbo was kind enough to provide the link earlier too.
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I'd prefer to see Munish , Claridge and Pat Nevin running MOTD , they talk more sense.
What's happened to lineker ? He looks like a plastic manikin nowadays
Really? Claridge is truly awful and just shouts everyone down on the radio and Nevin is such a pseudo-intellectual, can't stand him, he always reminds of your typical yuppie football fan
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Agree with the comment above. Claridge is an absolute knob.
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Lineker is a bell end, trying to shoe horn in his crappy jokes. It was better the other week when the football focus bloke was presenting it. Best way to watch it is to watch it 15 minutes late and fast forward through the meaningless crap spoken by the those two tools who were on last night.
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It's going to be funny watching it tonight.
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Lineker, She-Ra and Savage, that's the MOTD dream team right there.
The dream team of people you'd push in front of a tube train.
That would be a cruel thing to do.
To the tube driver.
It's fine, Lawro's driving.
Judging by the state of his hair and poor taste in clothing he has already gone off the rails :)
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Lineker, She-Ra and Savage, that's the MOTD dream team right there.
The dream team of people you'd push in front of a tube train.
That would be a cruel thing to do.
To the tube driver.
It's fine, Lawro's driving.
On being informed of the disaster Alan Hansen's quote was "Shocking, absolutely shocking".
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Lineker is doing his hair in the manner of a vain man who is going bald.
This will not end well
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Lineker is doing his hair in the manner of a vain man who is going bald.
This will not end well
You could be forgiven for thinking he was with a younger woman like a model or something like that. ;)
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Claridge constantly talks over people and misses the point
He's also got a massive chip on his shoulder
He's better than crooks though,or neon dion. Or Paul Merson.
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Absolutely fantastic seeing the Delph goal again.
Poor old Sunderland.
Poor old Cardiff.
Poor old Norwich.
Poor old Hammers.
Poor old...Manchester United! Heh heh heh!
Oooooh, sorry. That must be schadenfreude.
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The MOTD highlights didn't make any comment about the fact Baker was booked so early in the game and performed superbly for 85 minutes with the threat of any mistimed challenge seeing him getting a second yellow.
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But then they and all the reporters didn't raise the laws that state a manager cannot come onto the pitch and speak to the referee or that they cannot approach the referee until a 30 min cooling off period after the match. They decided to say they couldn't tell why he was sent off especially as Gabby and Lambert were on the pitch so agreed with the Mewling one.
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Just read that Russell Brand is one of the pundits on MOTD tonight, rendering it even less watchable than usual. Thanks Sport Relief. Thanks so bloody much.
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To be fair even Horne and Corden might be an improvement on Shearer and Savage.
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Just read that Russell Brand is one of the pundits on MOTD tonight, rendering it even less watchable than usual. Thanks Sport Relief. Thanks so bloody much.
Can't stand Brand. Think I'll record it and fast-forward through the talkie bullshit bits
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To be fair even Horne and Corden might be an improvement on Shearer and Savage.
The only thing those talentless tossers would be an improvement on is a serious venereal disease. At least we'll be able to laugh at Brand as his beloved Hammers continue their slide toward mediocrity under Old Bighead.
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I predict epic Claypolean bullshit.
“I did ponder if perchance my beloved ‘Ammers might deign to dignify this ‘ere auspicious afternoon with a performance of a sort which you might desire to scribe home about, but alas it unfolded a debacle of a type of what a doggy might like to call his dinner, Gary…”
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Match of the day plumbed new depths this time, the inclusion of that pretentious, sneering, attention-seeking little prick Russel Brand finally killed it off as a serious football programme for me, people like Savage are bad enough, but at least he actually played the game, Brand was nothing more than self indulgence on the part of the BBC. I hate the BBC on so many levels and this was just another low for me.
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Anyone know what Owen Coyles "joke" was on the credit on saturday. I heard the punchline had yeharr in it. My Dad tried to tell me over the phone, but he is the worst joke teller of all time, and i started to feel like putting my own thumb through my eye rather than listen to anymore
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Something like:
"I went to the doctor and told him I've been feeling like a cowboy"
Doctor says: "How long have you been feeling like that for?"
"About a YI-HAAA!
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I noticed none of the Villa boys featured in Garth Crooks' Team of the Week. Not even Sylla. Know nothing twat!
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I propose that all villa fans boycott walkers crisps yea even cheese and onion till that smarmy linker is removed from m.o.t.d.
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Michael Owen then >:(
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Lawrenson's shirts are getting increasingly bizarre. Did he wear that one last night, complete with Harry Hill style collar, for a bet?
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Have you noticed that Flannagan (Liverpool left back) looks the spit of Lawrenson. And born only a few metres from Anfield. Lawrenson is always raving about him. Almost like a Dad would....
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Bump
Especially today.
We should be first but are not. ( Everton v man City)
Ok, maybe second.
However, man Utd are there. And they lost!
Proof that the bbc are manc based, if you ask me.
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Much as i'd like to say they are biased, City going a step nearer the title and Manure being shit (again, apart from when they play us) as Sunderland take a big step to safety is probably right that they are on before us.
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Nice to see Milner playing a significant role in City's winning title run, great cross for Dzeko's goal.
Oh how we've missed him.
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Nice to see Milner playing a significant role in City's winning title run, great cross for Dzeko's goal.
Oh how we've missed him.
The one we let go that I'd really love back.
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We're not third, either.
Major programming dyspraxia from the Beeb.
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Or fourth.
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Finally. Great goals. Thanks, lads.
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Agent Curtis.
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That fat mess Dowd sending off all these players for being last man.
How much longer do we have to put up with him waddling around the pitch, is he close to retirement age?
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That fat mess Dowd sending off all these players for being last man.
How much longer do we have to put up with him waddling around the pitch, is he close to retirement age?
You beat me to it. When did he change his stripes and decide that the last defender committing a foul was sufficient justification for a red card?
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I want to know what goal Carroll scored that Linekar was on about?
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This thread seems as good a place to put this. F365 continue their enjoyable analysis of various pundits - this week, Stan Collymore:
Style
Stan's work is almost wholly on the radio now, but we suspect we're not missing any especial dedication to sartorial elegance. File under 'expensive but plain clothes'. Seems a very long time since he had hair. Has endearing Staffordshire accent which invests his words with a slight air of melancholy.
Special Interest
Racism and depression (anti). No-one provokes the idiot Twitterati into inappropriate guffs of outrage more. Was probably the first and certainly the most prominent footballer to mention the big D word and as such, he is rightly seen as a brave opinion-former. Has done superb work in outing online hate-mongers and abuse perps. Uses his profile to actually try to change things rather than accept the status quo. We think this is little short of noble because we're damn sure he's not paid extra for his time and trouble and trauma in acting as a sponge for online hate.
Strengths and Weaknesses
He's good at talking is Stan, which is essential when you work on the radio where dead air is everyone's enemy. He has a distinct voice, and is unmistakable for anyone else. A fearless user of social media, despite regularly being subject to some of the most vile abuse, has allowed him to grow a profile far beyond the actual kicking of footballs and talking about the kicking of footballs.
Clearly does a lot of work and preparation. Very good at delivering energy, excitement and emotion in commentaries. Seems genuinely caught up in the action but without losing focus on analysis. Can do a good elongated throaty bellow when a spectacular goal goes in.
It has to be said we feel he's not stretched by the quality of phone-ins he does. As we know, the phone-in has largely been abandoned by anyone with a little bit of erudition and, not to be too unkind, seems now to belong to rather dazed people who have possibly just been hit by a speeding truck. Stan would never be so rude as to suggest this, of course. The air of "oh God, not another idiot who knows nothing" is perhaps all in our head but is inescapable nonetheless.
We're firm believers that the past is the past and that anyone deserves a second chance but there are some who contend that Stan's past poor behaviour, especially with reference Ulrika, compromises his moral authority. Whether they actually believe this or merely use it as a stick with which to beat him, as it were, is debatable.
Tactical genius or tactics truck?
We've listened to Stan quite a bit and feel he is always quick to spot tactical development in-game. He is also prepared to back up his assertions with facts - often tweeted during the action. We're not sure that many pundits could do this and actually get anything right. Given he's often required to talk to the public directly after the game he's working on, he has to grasp what is happening quickly and convey it accurately.
Leg squeezer geezer?
Previous well-documented, in-car extra-curricular activities suggest a chap whose idea of a good time goes quite a long way above and beyond guffawing when someone at the golf club trips over the carpet. And why not? Unlike a lot of the biggest name pundits, does not seem entertained in the slightest by mispronouncing foreign names, nor the embracing of stupidity as a noble manly art. Has done some time on the sofa with the jobs-for-the-boys, golfing-with-Kenny brigade but never looked overly comfortable there, which is a good thing. If Stan is going to squeeze anything, it won't be your leg.
Bantersaurus Rex?
His regular enunciations on depression and racism automatically take SVC out of the Bantersaurus's natural environment of emotional retardation and repression, as does his open support of the Labour Party - not usually the Proper Football Man's choice of politics. However, keen not to be seen as po-faced, he does encourage banter via social media and seems to take ribbing and criticism in good humour as long as it doesn't cross the line into abuse, which seems an entirely grown-up position to take. It's almost as if he's a rounded member of society and not an airhead ex-player, scamming a living by sporting an expensive haircut and wearing a tight shirt.
Cliché counter
Considering he works in an unashamedly populist context, he walks a well-judged line between accessible, familiar football language and tired stock phrases.
Why does he get gigs?
One of the few ex-players who doesn't go on all the time about being an ex-player. Indeed, some weeks you could be forgiven, if you didn't know, for thinking he hadn't played at the highest level. Seems keen not to jam this down our throats and we really like that.
As a broadcaster he has set about equipping himself with the assets a broadcaster needs: expression, clarity of thought and wisdom of experience, rather than merely relying on having played the game to suggest his words would have any insight. Others with more blow-hard tendencies should take note.
Enthusiasm and fearless engagement with his public through phone-ins and social media is above and beyond the call of duty (not least because the football public has amongst its ranks some out-and-out dopes and rotters) and should be rightly acknowledged as an important quality in his palette of punditry. When the muck hits the fan, Stan is usually to be found in the trenches and not in some tinted-windowed, ivory tower with some of the less cerebral ex-player pundits.
As a guy who has had mental health problems and, as he himself would no doubt acknowledge, done some stupid things in the past, he has lived a rich life and learned from his mistakes. He's an articulate black voice in football media and carries weight as a media personality beyond football. He has shown leadership on issues including depression, racism, societal perception of young black men, online abuse and the police, and the correct technique for using chocolate fingers.
Persuasive, erudite and passionate, modern-day football media would be a much worse, more base environment without his work and we don't think we could say that about many others in the profession.
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Have they done Danny Mills yet? I asked him if he had seen much of Villa last season, he said he only did matches involving teams at the top and the bottom. Villa were fourth from bottom at the time, I don't think he actually does any 'research' as such.
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Have they done Danny Mills yet? I asked him if he had seen much of Villa last season, he said he only did matches involving teams at the top and the bottom. Villa were fourth from bottom at the time, I don't think he actually does any 'research' as such.
I don't think any pundit does except Gary Neville.
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Gary Neville is the closest thing we have in this country to Ron Jaworski as far as analysts who appear to put in the hard work off camera.
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Have they done Danny Mills yet? I asked him if he had seen much of Villa last season, he said he only did matches involving teams at the top and the bottom. Villa were fourth from bottom at the time, I don't think he actually does any 'research' as such.
I don't think any pundit does except Gary Neville.
Don't know if he does research, but Carragher does a very good double-act with Neville. They were calling each other Derek Hatton and Ed Miliband the other week, and the burglar exchange was good fun too:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kv9F8Y57GCM
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Gary Neville puts those boring monotanus overpaid idiots on motd to shame. He was a footballer I didn't like only because I wanted a full back like him in a villa shirt
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Have they done Danny Mills yet? I asked him if he had seen much of Villa last season, he said he only did matches involving teams at the top and the bottom. Villa were fourth from bottom at the time, I don't think he actually does any 'research' as such.
Maybe he was trying to be kind to a Villa fan and not kick him when we're down (or nearly were). Or maybe Villa haven't crossed his mind since Lee Hendrie faux/headbutted him a decade plus ago...that was Mills wasn't it? Or maybe it was Gary Speed. Hendrie and Mills were born on the same day and to bring this back on topic I was surprised to see the little one covering a game on Sky Sports News recently. Would never have seen Hendrie being a pundit but fair play.
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Gary Neville is a great pundit . Puts the dross the BBC force upon us look like retarded chimps.
Gary lineker should be retired off like Hansen has been. Why is Robbie Savage constantly on ? Absolute waste of tax payers money as is Shearer .
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Gary Lineker is pretty good hosting the show but change would be for good, but the "experts" are fucking horrible in MOTD. Even finnish pundits in finnish champions league and international tournaments are better. By far the best finnish pundit is Jari Litmanen, sadly he isn't on nearly enough.
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Even finnish pundits in finnish champions league and international tournaments are better. By far the best finnish pundit is Jari Litmanen, sadly he isn't on nearly enough.
There's a blast from the past. What a player he was too.
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Even finnish pundits in finnish champions league and international tournaments are better. By far the best finnish pundit is Jari Litmanen, sadly he isn't on nearly enough.
There's a blast from the past. What a player he was too.
Class.
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Even finnish pundits in finnish champions league and international tournaments are better. By far the best finnish pundit is Jari Litmanen, sadly he isn't on nearly enough.
There's a blast from the past. What a player he was too.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen many better players or better playmakers since I started watching football in 1990. Too bad he went to play for Ajax and not for Aston Villa in 1992, boy he would've been great in PL.
Someone put 10 minute compilation of him in youtube from the last season he played in finnish league. His mobility and legs had gone by then but he still had his vision and intelligence still left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvzXXg9PrOg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvzXXg9PrOg)
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And he scored the easiest goal of his career against us thanks to Schmeichael's dopey throw-out.
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The mistake the BEEB have made is by making too many changes whereas three or four good ones to freshen things up would work. The best of the new pundits for me have been Kevin Kilbane, Danny Murphy and Schmeichael.
I wish Hansen the best in his retirement, yes he has gotten stale, but he really has set the standard for pundits over the years and has been legend in that professional. Also he is someone who really comes alive at International tournaments when he is actually at the games, and gets to talk about the wider issues outside of just the game.
Lee Dixon is a real loss for them. He is wasted on ITV.
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Even finnish pundits in finnish champions league and international tournaments are better. By far the best finnish pundit is Jari Litmanen, sadly he isn't on nearly enough.
There's a blast from the past. What a player he was too.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen many better players or better playmakers since I started watching football in 1990. Too bad he went to play for Ajax and not for Aston Villa in 1992, boy he would've been great in PL.
Someone put 10 minute compilation of him in youtube from the last season he played in finnish league. His mobility and legs had gone by then but he still had his vision and intelligence still left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvzXXg9PrOg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvzXXg9PrOg)
Jari and Merson equal the same kind of player
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Even finnish pundits in finnish champions league and international tournaments are better. By far the best finnish pundit is Jari Litmanen, sadly he isn't on nearly enough.
There's a blast from the past. What a player he was too.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen many better players or better playmakers since I started watching football in 1990. Too bad he went to play for Ajax and not for Aston Villa in 1992, boy he would've been great in PL.
Someone put 10 minute compilation of him in youtube from the last season he played in finnish league. His mobility and legs had gone by then but he still had his vision and intelligence still left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvzXXg9PrOg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvzXXg9PrOg)
Jari and Merson equal the same kind of player
Merson didn't play for us in 1992-1997 when Litmanen was at his prime when I'd wanted him to play for us. Litti's career was ruined in very late 90s and early 2000s by numerous injuries and he was never quite the same player after he left Ajax.