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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on August 15, 2013, 06:01:03 PM

Title: Flares
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 15, 2013, 06:01:03 PM
WM want to talk about flares at matches tomorrow. What's your opinion?
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: PGW on August 15, 2013, 06:05:52 PM
Ain't worn any for years!!!!
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: andrew08 on August 15, 2013, 06:06:59 PM
Clearly they've been covering Wolves too much. We don't wear them in Brum
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: wozwebs on August 15, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
I think they add a bit of atmosphere and do look good when crowd is in full song but obviously they can be dangerous and having them thrown at us at Blues away wasn't great (I know Villa threw first).
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Drummond on August 15, 2013, 06:09:33 PM
WM want to talk about flares at matches tomorrow. What's your opinion?

I think they should talk about it if they want to.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Nev on August 15, 2013, 06:09:54 PM
A novelty when they were rare, when we beat Small Heath with that last minute Milner pen I was in the North Stand and it was rocking, the flare added to the atmosphere. You see them everywhere now.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Mazrim on August 15, 2013, 06:10:29 PM
They're like, groovy man. I dig them.

People letting flares off at a match should have the flares set off in their battycrease.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2013, 06:10:39 PM
It's more of a continent thing really. I don't really see the point in them myself and taking one to pre-season friendly at Walsall was a bit silly.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: peter w on August 15, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
i don't think its something people really care about unless they see them. Not really part of English football culture. be like asking an Italian fan about a half-time pie and a bovril.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: TheSandman on August 15, 2013, 06:35:59 PM
Isn't it a night club?
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
I like them, but I think that is the aftersmell which reminds me of cap guns.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 15, 2013, 06:42:12 PM
A well thought out flare at a night game in European competition when we are trying to stoke up the atmosphere is good.

Struggling with the point of them outside it mind. They stink and you can't see shit for five minutes if you are close to them.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: The Left Side on August 15, 2013, 06:56:40 PM
Isn't it a night club?

It was on Broad St, as for the fiery ones I think they should only be used a European night games, just to add to the atmos!
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: midnite on August 15, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
I like them. My main memory from seeing AC Milan when I was 10 at the San Siro was the atmosphere and all the flares and huge flags. But that's their culture, I remember they had water filled bins close by for the flares to be thrown into after.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Lambert and Payne on August 15, 2013, 07:28:30 PM
I like them but flares are dangerous and will just end up being used as weapons.

Pyro (Smoke Grenades) on the other hand are a lot more useful, the look nice and they seem to stoke up the atmosphere. And crazily, I actually like the smell.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: bertlambshank on August 15, 2013, 07:38:37 PM
Swing those pants.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Mister E on August 15, 2013, 08:02:13 PM
Flares are okay but I prefer kipper ties, personally.

Seriously, flares would make us look European and 'experienced': go for it, I say.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Yossarian on August 15, 2013, 08:03:33 PM
Have many people been hurt by them at the football?
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 15, 2013, 08:06:24 PM
WM want to talk about flares at matches tomorrow. What's your opinion?

Do they have a particular problem with them at The Keepmoat and/or Firhill ?
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 15, 2013, 08:15:10 PM
I had some really nice brown ones that I bought in Oasis in 1972.
Cool.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 15, 2013, 08:16:38 PM
Dangerous?
Caught my stack heels in them a couple of times and nearly went arse over tit.
That's about it really.

;-)
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: russon on August 15, 2013, 08:22:59 PM
prefer stay-press (with the obligatory ski jumper or Y cardigan)
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Leighton on August 15, 2013, 08:23:12 PM
I think they add something rather exciting to the atmosphere. But then I've never been so close to one where they've been set off...
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: adrenachrome on August 15, 2013, 08:40:31 PM
I am usually in favour of anything which livens things up a bit, but I can't say I like inhaling smoke if I can help it.  In P6 at VP, and at a couple of away games, this activity has got on my tits.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 15, 2013, 08:42:43 PM
They do look good admittedly, however I was by one at Wigan last game and my eyes were fucked for 10 minutes. So basically, I don't spend all that money for my eyes to sting.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: curiousorange on August 15, 2013, 08:44:23 PM
They've got no place in English football. They add nothing and are just one more thing for scrotes to cause trouble with.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Ger Regan on August 15, 2013, 08:51:53 PM
In the right hands they could add something, but in the wrong hands they can be deadly. That story about the kid in south america a few months ago is absolutely horrific.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2013, 08:57:15 PM
Us and Man. United are the worst offenders for this in the premier league I'd say.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: London Villan on August 15, 2013, 08:58:10 PM
I like them, but there is the obvious danger of someone being hit by them.

I was at a game in Rome when the Lazio fans managed to fire some sort of flare into the roof of the stand. The fire burned for about 5 minutes while the coppers (and firemen) just sort of stared at it while smoking... no panic or stewards running around panicking.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Dave on August 15, 2013, 09:02:05 PM
A well thought out flare at a night game in European competition when we are trying to stoke up the atmosphere is good.

Struggling with the point of them outside it mind. They stink and you can't see shit for five minutes if you are close to them.
Quite. There's a time and a place.

A cup semi-final against ManYoo on a Wednesday night? Fine.

12.45pm at home to Norwich? You look like a dick.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: johnboy on August 15, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
No thanks, was close to one last season and they go for ages and they do f@" k up your vision.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 15, 2013, 09:16:09 PM
Flares are shite.
Drums are shite.
Brass bands are shite.
Playing music after goals is shite.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Legion on August 15, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
They've got no place in English football. They add nothing and are just one more thing for scrotes to cause trouble with.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: littlevillain on August 15, 2013, 09:25:24 PM
wank, leave it to the italians
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 15, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
I want ones like they used in the First World war on little parachutes...
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
I know someone who got badly burned and scarred by a flare at a match in Italy. Not something I would be in favour of.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:08:54 PM
I think we should import other European fan traditions.

I am going to try to smuggle a scooter into the upper Holte and chuck it over the front of the stand.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Ad@m on August 15, 2013, 11:14:10 PM
I think we should import other European fan traditions.

I am going to try to smuggle a scooter into the upper Holte and chuck it over the front of the stand.

I'm bang up for that.  I'm going to throw a pigs head at Downing when he tries to take a corner for West Ham.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:16:33 PM
I think we should import other European fan traditions.

I am going to try to smuggle a scooter into the upper Holte and chuck it over the front of the stand.

I'm bang up for that.  I'm going to throw a pigs head at Downing when he tries to take a corner for West Ham.

Also, first defeat, let's all go mob handed to Bodymoor Heath for the next training session and beat the shit out of the players.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Hillbilly on August 15, 2013, 11:54:08 PM
Flares are shite.
Drums are shite.
Brass bands are shite.
Playing music after goals is shite.
With you all the way. The fan culture here in Australia is the euro version and it's shite. The songs/chants are led by a guy with a megaphone. Not spontaneous and it sounds like the fans have no brain between them. And flares are a pain. I used to like 7 Nation Army but now I want to boak when I hear it.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 16, 2013, 12:45:13 AM
I think we should import other European fan traditions.

I am going to try to smuggle a scooter into the upper Holte and chuck it over the front of the stand.

I'm bang up for that.  I'm going to throw a pigs head at Downing when he tries to take a corner for West Ham.

Make sure you hit him.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 16, 2013, 04:05:37 AM
I don't see the problem at big night games. This is the best non-Villa game I've been at and it was like Dresden in there (without the fatalities) but certainly added to the atmosphere although it didn't harm that my favourite team in Brasil pumped Boca that night.  ;)

http://youtu.be/LwFp_OJcMkQ
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 16, 2013, 04:26:50 AM
Mind you it was even more impressive for the final which I didn't make.

http://youtu.be/PMbOQvEzjY4

How about flares at an indoor basketball game?

http://youtu.be/dLx0bQZUIZw

Both clubs share the anthem Horto Magiko. Love the anthem and I like both clubs although I've no idea why an abundance of shamrocks and tricolours especially in Flu's claret, white and green would appeal to a Villan from Ireland. :)
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Dave Clark Five on August 16, 2013, 07:39:37 AM
I can't see how any one can support people chucking these things when their use has put people in hospital.
Why don't we go back to throwing bog rolls? You can get a giant pack of them for a reasonable price at Costco.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: warleyboy on August 16, 2013, 08:12:10 AM
A bit dated if you ask me.
I had a beige pair of farahs I bought from discount man in smethwick.

Used to tear to easily for my liking  :o
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: rob_bridge on August 16, 2013, 08:48:49 AM
Flares - too young to be too mentally scarred by the trouser version.
Nightclub chain utterly rubbish - wasn't it 70's renaissance music IIRC.
Flares burning smoking items are a bad idea mostof the time unless in distress at sea / in a desert etc....

Villa Flairs - Brian Little, Sid Cowans, Dwight Yorke, Paul Merson would be ones I consider.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: flybo on August 16, 2013, 09:20:52 AM
Flares are shite.
Drums are shite.
Brass bands are shite.
Playing music after goals is shite.
Spot on
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Simon Ward on August 16, 2013, 10:26:43 AM
Just to ask the obvious! Are they still in fashion?
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 16, 2013, 10:34:02 AM
Someone let off a smoke bomb at Wigan when mcshit was here, was ridiculous, you couldn't see anything
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Jimbo on August 16, 2013, 10:37:08 AM
Someone let off a smoke bomb at Wigan when mcshit was here, was ridiculous, you couldn't see anything

Oh, I think they knew what they were doing.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Miguelito on August 16, 2013, 10:46:03 AM
I don't see the problem at big night games. This is the best non-Villa game I've been at and it was like Dresden in there (without the fatalities) but certainly added to the atmosphere although it didn't harm that my favourite team in Brasil pumped Boca that night.  ;)

http://youtu.be/LwFp_OJcMkQ

That looks incredible!!
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2013, 01:06:06 PM
I hate them, I'd outright ban them, they've got to be, for example, more dangerous than having a bottle of coke with the cap on.

I just don't see the appeal, I don't think they add to the atmosphere in the slightest.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Des Little on August 16, 2013, 01:09:12 PM
I just thought there had been an increase in lost sailors attending games in recent years
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: exigo on August 16, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
Added to the atmosphere at this under 11 game.

Title: Re: Flares
Post by: freethinker on August 16, 2013, 01:33:48 PM
I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread. Has anyone made a joke about flared trousers yet?
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 16, 2013, 01:41:39 PM
I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread. Has anyone made a joke about flared trousers yet?
Isn't that what the thread's about?

Bugger!
;-)
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Miguelito on August 16, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
Added to the atmosphere at this under 11 game.



See, now that's when flares are good. granted the game got delayed but that atmosphere, for an u11's game, is better than any i've seen in England. Looked controlled as well, so no muppets throwing flares around, pretty sure at one point i even saw someone in the crowd put out a flare that the guy next to him had lit (think the guy with the flare knew the guy next to him was going to put it out as well)
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: freethinker on August 16, 2013, 02:26:29 PM
See, now that's when flares are good. granted the game got delayed but that atmosphere, for an u11's game, is better than any i've seen in England. Looked controlled as well, so no muppets throwing flares around, pretty sure at one point i even saw someone in the crowd put out a flare that the guy next to him had lit (think the guy with the flare knew the guy next to him was going to put it out as well)

I bet you love bonfire night.

Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Miguelito on August 16, 2013, 03:12:05 PM
Give me a pack of sparklers and i'm well away ;) haha
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Hampshire Villa on August 16, 2013, 05:08:16 PM
I had some really nice brown ones that I bought in Oasis in 1972.
Cool.

Oasis  Wow , I had forgotten all about Oasis. Got my first pair of Loons and scoop neck Tee from There. What a place! Oasis for some Loons and then down to Virgin to listen to some albums on that big cushion thing they had.

 Loons they were proper Flares.

 Back to the real subject they will just be interpreted as Hooliganism by the Daily mail etc.
 
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: andrew08 on August 16, 2013, 05:24:02 PM
Oasis...... Got a Funky Monkey from there and an awesome pair of red and white striped jeans. Oasis had its own particular smell IIRC.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 16, 2013, 05:28:53 PM
Oasis...... Got a Funky Monkey from there and an awesome pair of red and white striped jeans. Oasis had its own particular smell IIRC.
Patchouli.
I had some...and wore it. So did my girlfriend.
40 years later my son does.
Smelt it on him a few weeks weeks ago and I was transported back in time...happy days!

Perhaps they could make patchouli scented, musical flares with Richie Havens singing "Freedom".
Peace man!
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 16, 2013, 05:36:57 PM
I had some really nice brown ones that I bought in Oasis in 1972.
Cool.

Oasis  Wow , I had forgotten all about Oasis. Got my first pair of Loons and scoop neck Tee from There. What a place! Oasis for some Loons and then down to Virgin to listen to some albums on that big cushion thing they had.

 Loons they were proper Flares.

 Back to the real subject they will just be interpreted as Hooliganism by the Daily mail etc.
 

For that reason alone they should be compulsory
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: Ads on August 16, 2013, 05:38:03 PM
I like them, especially the flares compared to the smoke bombs.
Title: Re: Flares
Post by: andrew08 on August 16, 2013, 05:39:31 PM
Oasis...... Got a Funky Monkey from there and an awesome pair of red and white striped jeans. Oasis had its own particular smell IIRC.
Patchouli.
I had some...and wore it. So did my girlfriend.
40 years later my son does.
Smelt it on him a few weeks weeks ago and I was transported back in time...happy days!

Perhaps they could make patchouli scented, musical flares with Richie Havens singing "Freedom".
Peace man!

Yes my older Sister, now Head of Science in a big Comp oop North, purchased a suede fringed jacket from there which she anointed with that.

I've never seen it spelt before.... Thought it ended in '....... Oil'
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