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Title: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 13, 2013, 11:10:14 AM
I never buy the programme these days, but as it was only £2 for the Malaga friendly I thought why not ?

Page 28 has an article by Dave Bridgewater about the programmes for games we have played against Spanish teams.
Apparently the Bilbao v Villa game over there in 1977 fetches £70. I went to it and have dug out two mint condition copies from my collection. I also found three copies of Antwerp v Villa in 1975 and checking the web these are selling for £25. So there's £215 for starters if I ever want to sell !

I know my 1957 final and the handful of pre war ones I've collected are a worth a few bob and I have a couple of hundred 1950s too. But the price for the European aways surprised me. I am now wondering what other valuable gems are hidden away.
A good £2 invested on Saturday.  :D

Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 13, 2013, 11:13:40 AM
If anyone has the 1961 League Cup Final against Rotherham home and away, I'll give them £20 for the 2...  ;)
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 13, 2013, 11:23:52 AM
If anyone has the 1961 League Cup Final against Rotherham home and away, I'll give them £20 for the 2...  ;)

I think I may have the home leg, I recognise that cover for the away leg as something I have but it could be for a league game.
Having checked the prices these sell for, the answer to your offer of £20 is errrr No.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: deep_easy on August 13, 2013, 11:36:43 AM
I  tried to flog my 57 Cup Final programme in that there London about 10 years back. I was offered 'about five quid' by a major dealer because apparently 'no-one supports Villa outside Birmingham, mate'.

I did point out that the opposing team were quite well-known, and mentioned 'Busby Babes' and 'Bobby Charlton still had hair then'.

The offer stayed at a fiver, so I kept it.


Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 13, 2013, 12:26:49 PM
Bingo.
I've got the 1st leg at Rotherham. Mint condition, not a mark on it. 12 pages and Price 3d.
I would expect I have the home leg too tucked away. I've also found almost 40 home programmes dated 1943 and 1951.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Went through the attic a year or so ago and there were quite a few programmes from the late 1960s and early 1970s. One weird thing is that quite often we seem to have 2 or 3 copies of each programme and the other is that my dad only came down to live in Birmingham in the early 70s and didn't start going to Villa until about 1973. No idea how they came to be in our possession.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Oscar Arce on August 13, 2013, 01:11:47 PM
Maybe the reason you had a few copies of each programme was the "Villa voucher' scheme, introduced to collect to get priority ticket allocation for big games and Cup Finals in the early seventies..."Villa vouchers are valuable...save them!"
This led to most people buying a couple of copies of the programme every match, I have similar duplicates with the vouchers cut off.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: PGW on August 13, 2013, 01:56:28 PM
If anyone has the 1961 League Cup Final against Rotherham home and away, I'll give them £20 for the 2...  ;)
Mr Bear - i think you are taking the proverbial there mate!!!!

Add a nought then double it!!!
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Dr Butler on August 13, 2013, 02:08:15 PM
for my 50th birthday a mate bought me the programme closest to my birthday,  Bolton away....20th April 1963 and it's in beautiful condition for something 50 years old !!

unlike me  ::)

oh and we lost...

**just checked that the last one on Ebay went for the £2.99........tight sod !
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 13, 2013, 04:21:31 PM
If anyone has the 1961 League Cup Final against Rotherham home and away, I'll give them £20 for the 2...  ;)
Mr Bear - i think you are taking the proverbial there mate!!!!

Add a nought then double it!!!

Indeed I was! As a keen collector myself I know exactly what they're worth, and tirelessly peruse car boot sales in the hope that some old chap is selling them in a bundle for £2, not knowing their true value.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2013, 04:37:19 PM
Emptied my loft a few years ago when I moved and gave all of my programmes going back as far as the 60s to my nephew/godson.
For the last few years I have passed all my programmes (and H&Vs) to his son.
Keeping it in the family and the tradition going!
UTV!
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 13, 2013, 04:58:26 PM
The first column shows 4 pages sheets dating between 1943-48
The second column with the mean looking player was 8 pages, season 1948-49.
The ones showing the ground was how the programme then appeared all through the 50s into the 60s. Note the Holte terrace with no roof.

(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/IMG_1565_zps0bd19ede.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/media/IMG_1565_zps0bd19ede.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Ron Manager on August 13, 2013, 05:08:50 PM
Yes I have programmes from the fifties. In the early sixties you used to be able to pick them up from the terrace at the end of the game.

The book price for programmes (as for records) is not the price you would hope to get , far from it. The Villa Park leg against Blues (1963 League Cup Final) is supposed to be worth around £150 because there was a short run off. I was at both legs and have this programme.The specalists only offered £50 so really E Bay is your only option and thats no guarantee of success Im afraid.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 13, 2013, 05:15:20 PM

 Got both Rotherham ones myself Andy, plus the Bloose home one in 63 as well.

 Dr B.......you're 3 days older than me.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 13, 2013, 05:16:14 PM
That first League Cup Final programme.

(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/IMG_1566_zps00be6371.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/media/IMG_1566_zps00be6371.jpg.html)



The middle pages of the programme.

(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/IMG_1564_zps528dea55.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/media/IMG_1564_zps528dea55.jpg.html)

The advert below the Villa line up made interesting reading.

There's a career for you in COAL one with a real future.
The thriving Yorkshire Coal Industry offers an interesting well paid, secure life to young men and boys leaving school. There are vacancies at most Colleries for trainee Mine Operatives and Apprentice Craftesmen. The increasing use of modern machinery makes the work interesting and varied, training is thorough and good wages are paid for a guaranteed five day week. Apply to any Colliery Manager or write to :-
NATIONAL COAL BOARD
NORTH EASTERN DIVISION
South Parade, Doncaster.


Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 13, 2013, 05:46:34 PM
Emptied my loft a few years ago when I moved and gave all of my programmes going back as far as the 60s to my nephew/godson.
For the last few years I have passed all my programmes (and H&Vs) to his son.
Keeping it in the family and the tradition going!
UTV!

From the Villa v Stoke programme dated April 23rd 1949.

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VILLA TEAMSTERS No. 8  FRANK MOSS
A worthy son of a famous father.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2013, 05:56:20 PM
Emptied my loft a few years ago when I moved and gave all of my programmes going back as far as the 60s to my nephew/godson.
For the last few years I have passed all my programmes (and H&Vs) to his son.
Keeping it in the family and the tradition going!
UTV!

From the Villa v Stoke programme dated April 23rd 1949.

(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/IMG_1567_zps343405fd.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/media/IMG_1567_zps343405fd.jpg.html)


VILLA TEAMSTERS No. 8  FRANK MOSS
A worthy son of a famous father.
This is wonderful Andy.
Thanks so much for this.

 
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Holte L2 on August 22, 2013, 12:36:21 PM
I've got every news and record from 1991-1992 - present.  Get one every week. Have all of our Wembley Finals from 1971 - present.

Started going to aways heavily when i turned 16 in 2001 so also have the vast majority of aways from 2001 onwards.  I need something decent to store them in!

They are all at my dads currently, as living in a one bedroom city centre flat I don't have room for them all. 
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: E I Adio on August 25, 2013, 02:04:22 PM
Went up into the loft last week for the first time in donkey's years. Found the two crates of programmes from the late '50's onwards that I knew were up there. Unfortunately, they were so bloody heavy that I could hardly lift them, so for the time being at least they are still up there. Still wondering how I managed to shift them up there. Will have another go when I've fixed the lights that declined to work, so that I can sit amongst the cobwebs and immerse myself in an orgy of nostalgia.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Ron Manager on August 25, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
Not strictly programmes (well not at all actually) but Ive just received the Sports Argus 57/58 Annual (bought off Ebay) A cracking delve into Midlands nostalgia.Lots about our Cup winning exploits against the odds. I was surprised to read that our much loved neighbours across the city achieved a 2-1 victory against Inter Milan in the Fairs Cup.Ron Atkinson before he joined us played for BSA Tools and Wolves!

I bet most of the older supporters bought the Annual each year. Worth every penny of the 1/6 they charged.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: E I Adio on August 25, 2013, 06:58:41 PM
Not strictly programmes (well not at all actually) but Ive just received the Sports Argus 57/58 Annual (bought off Ebay) A cracking delve into Midlands nostalgia.Lots about our Cup winning exploits against the odds. I was surprised to read that our much loved neighbours across the city achieved a 2-1 victory against Inter Milan in the Fairs Cup.Ron Atkinson before he joined us played for BSA Tools and Wolves!

I bet most of the older supporters bought the Annual each year. Worth every penny of the 1/6 they charged.

1/6d? Bloody hell. That was three weeks' pocket money.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: silhillvilla on August 27, 2013, 08:41:15 AM
I have the Everton "trilogy" of LC final programmes. All in decent condition, thinking about a long frame for all of them in one.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
I have the Antwerp away programme from 1975. I think this is quite rare and worth a bit of money?
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: somec on September 01, 2013, 11:56:58 PM
I have the Antwerp away programme from 1975. I think this is quite rare and worth a bit of money?

I sold my copy on ebay for about 25 quid a few years back.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Sunny Villa on September 05, 2013, 12:55:12 AM
i have the besiktas away from 1983 ,  the only thing i returned with apart from the clothes i was standing in and a passport
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: somec on September 06, 2013, 03:55:53 AM
i have the besiktas away from 1983 ,  the only thing i returned with apart from the clothes i was standing in and a passport

Sounds like a good trip. Any more details?
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: silhillvilla on September 06, 2013, 12:47:10 PM
I have the away surrender at CSKA programme. Not sure it's worth anything mind, it's a fairly shoddy programme.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: lennythekad on September 06, 2013, 05:17:24 PM
I used to have every Lge and cup game, home and away, plus most friendlies and postponements from May 1956 when I was born, until the end of 83/4 season, plus quite a few FA cup ties from 1945-56. I sold the lot to Reg Thacker to make room in the back bedroom for the arrival of my first lad, in July 84. I still wake up in a cold sweat nearly thirty years later, regretting the day I sold them.
Some of the early LC ties are rarer than rocking horse shit, as are some of the third division aways.
Most home games in the last forty years aren't worth much and most dealers wouldn't buy them off you, unless it was part off a collection, with a few rarities in it.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: NatP on September 06, 2013, 09:56:57 PM
I have the away surrender at CSKA programme. Not sure it's worth anything mind, it's a fairly shoddy programme.
Taking this thread back to the opening post, Dave Bridgewater did an article about the CSKA away programme (I think in the first Rapid Vienna programme).
The official programme in Moscow was limited to a few 100 copies because of some Russian tax regulations. There were half a dozen different pirate programmes all of which he had in the article.
I don't think it was worth a huge amount but probably one of the more valuable ones in recent years.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: PGW on September 06, 2013, 10:07:55 PM
I used to have every Lge and cup game, home and away, plus most friendlies and postponements from May 1956 when I was born, until the end of 83/4 season, plus quite a few FA cup ties from 1945-56. I sold the lot to Reg Thacker to make room in the back bedroom for the arrival of my first lad, in July 84. I still wake up in a cold sweat nearly thirty years later, regretting the day I sold them.
Some of the early LC ties are rarer than rocking horse shit, as are some of the third division aways.
Most home games in the last forty years aren't worth much and most dealers wouldn't buy them off you, unless it was part off a collection, with a few rarities in it.
What are Ya!!!!
Donut or what....what an error of judgement i hope Reg gave you a fair price!!!
My own collection goes back as far as 1949.......not for sale.....not gonna try and go any earlier  although got a couple of bound volumes from 1927/8 and 1933/4.
1982 European Final pennant given to our Dennis proudly on my wall.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: NatP on September 06, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
Most home games in the last forty years aren't worth much and most dealers wouldn't buy them off you, unless it was part off a collection, with a few rarities in it.
I think most are probably worth less than face value.

The European games against Slaven Belupo and Ajax both sold out and got reprinted. I'm still seeking the home leg against Odense too.
Carew's home debut against West Ham caught the programme printers unprepared.
And the home game against United from their treble year I have seen go for £20+.

Really should kick the programme buying habit, but it just doesn't feel right if I'm not reading the manager's notes at 2:55!
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: silhillvilla on September 07, 2013, 02:46:42 PM
I have the away surrender at CSKA programme. Not sure it's worth anything mind, it's a fairly shoddy programme.
Taking this thread back to the opening post, Dave Bridgewater did an article about the CSKA away programme (I think in the first Rapid Vienna programme).
The official programme in Moscow was limited to a few 100 copies because of some Russian tax regulations. There were half a dozen different pirate programmes all of which he had in the article.
I don't think it was worth a huge amount but probably one of the more valuable ones in recent years.
Does anyone have a pic of the official programme ? I'm wondering if mine is a fake ??
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: lennythekad on September 07, 2013, 08:27:53 PM
I'll try and dig mine out, which I bought myself outside the Luzhnicki Stadium before the game. It cost me about £4ish in roubles, and at a glance looks very like the Slavia Prague away game from that year. I think the pirate copies looked completely different.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 08, 2013, 02:27:53 PM
A guy who worked with my Dad had no interest in football but his father in law who lived with them was a massive Villa fan. Back in the 3rd division days we would stop off coming through Gravelly Hill and collect him on the way to the game. He would tell us stories about Harry Hampton and him going to the 1905 FA Cup final. Whatever time we arrived he would be standing ready at the front window as we drew up and was straight out the door to get to Villa Park. One time we must have been particularly early and went in the house. I can still picture being shown his old programmes. Maybe 8 or 9 bound volumes of the Aston Villa News and Record all pre first world war, the first team and reserve fixtures and in perfect condition. If memory serves me I think he died not that long after he came with us to the 1971 final.
As I say his son in law disliked football. Apparently after he died he cleared out his room fairly quickly and took everything to the dump.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 08, 2013, 02:34:13 PM
My own collection goes back as far as 1949.......not for sale.....not gonna try and go any earlier  although got a couple of bound volumes from 1927/8 and 1933/4.
1982 European Final pennant given to our Dennis proudly on my wall.

Those could be worth thousands. I would be making sure your contents insurance covers them.

Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Ron Manager on September 08, 2013, 06:35:02 PM
Ive never forgotten turning down the chance to buy the programme that was printed when Villa Park had its record attendance something like 76500 against Derby County around 1946. A bloke in Kings Heath used to have a shop selling all kinds of things by the old cinema. It was in the window.Why I didnt buy it god only knows. 
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 08, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
A guy who worked with my Dad had no interest in football but his father in law who lived with them was a massive Villa fan. Back in the 3rd division days we would stop off coming through Gravelly Hill and collect him on the way to the game. He would tell us stories about Harry Hampton and him going to the 1905 FA Cup final. Whatever time we arrived he would be standing ready at the front window as we drew up and was straight out the door to get to Villa Park. One time we must have been particularly early and went in the house. I can still picture being shown his old programmes. Maybe 8 or 9 bound volumes of the Aston Villa News and Record all pre first world war, the first team and reserve fixtures and in perfect condition. If memory serves me I think he died not that long after he came with us to the 1971 final.
As I say his son in law disliked football. Apparently after he died he cleared out his room fairly quickly and took everything to the dump.

It was reported that a couple of days after the new board took over in 1968 a skip was being filled with 'rubbish' including bound volumes of programmes going back to 1908 and burned. One man was, apparently, shouting with glee "The Villa are dead. Long live the Villa." as he hurled these irreplaceable artifacts into the fire. Guess which ex-travel agent this was.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: London Villan on September 08, 2013, 08:41:13 PM
I bet so much history went that way when the club was in a bad state in the late 60s. You can imagine any new owners wanting to get rid of decades of "rubbish" from store rooms and hardly used offices. Wonder what else was chucked?
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 10, 2013, 05:46:47 PM
If you do have an extensive collection then it is worth getting them valued and making sure your home insurance will cover replacement costs.

The chances are that they will fall into the policy definition for high risk as the items are rare and collectable.

Your high risk limit is normally capped unless you choose to pay extra to up it.

I have dealt with many claims over the years where peoples HOUR limit is vastly less than the value of their items.

In particular this goes for jewellery.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: PGW on September 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
I bet so much history went that way when the club was in a bad state in the late 60s. You can imagine any new owners wanting to get rid of decades of "rubbish" from store rooms and hardly used offices. Wonder what else was chucked?
I have on my living room walls some outstanding items which Reg Thacker was told to get rid off - ie skip Due to the destruction of the old Trinity Road stand. Reg contacted a friend/contact who took all this off the clubs hands some of which i bought, such as the pennants from the European Cup Final handed to Dennis by Paul Breitner, the semi v Anderlecht, the pennant from the Santos game back in Feb 72, this framed item hung in the home dressing room until it was just discarded. My personal favourite is a hand made one to celebrate promotion back to the old first division back in 1959/60....absolutely beautiful.
   Also a framed programme cover from Santos game with Pele's autograph. Some great stuff.....shame i had to pay for it all!!!!   
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 11, 2013, 12:32:41 AM
I bet so much history went that way when the club was in a bad state in the late 60s. You can imagine any new owners wanting to get rid of decades of "rubbish" from store rooms and hardly used offices. Wonder what else was chucked?
I have on my living room walls some outstanding items which Reg Thacker was told to get rid off - ie skip Due to the destruction of the old Trinity Road stand. Reg contacted a friend/contact who took all this off the clubs hands some of which i bought, such as the pennants from the European Cup Final handed to Dennis by Paul Breitner, the semi v Anderlecht, the pennant from the Santos game back in Feb 72, this framed item hung in the home dressing room until it was just discarded. My personal favourite is a hand made one to celebrate promotion back to the old first division back in 1959/60....absolutely beautiful.
   Also a framed programme cover from Santos game with Pele's autograph. Some great stuff.....shame i had to pay for it all!!!!   

During the early nineties a lot of stuff was also lost because it was stored against outside walls in outbuildings at the North Stand and damp got to it.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Ron Manager on September 11, 2013, 08:42:10 AM
What happened to Reg Thacker. I know he was the clubs archivist for a time. He would be in his late sixties now. Has he passed on Dave?
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: PGW on September 11, 2013, 10:26:43 AM
What happened to Reg Thacker. I know he was the clubs archivist for a time. He would be in his late sixties now. Has he passed on Dave?
I know that up to a few years ago he was living a few minutes walk away from me in Selly Oak. May still be there ...don't know.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 11, 2013, 10:29:38 PM
What happened to Reg Thacker. I know he was the clubs archivist for a time. He would be in his late sixties now. Has he passed on Dave?
I know that up to a few years ago he was living a few minutes walk away from me in Selly Oak. May still be there ...don't know.
As far as I am aware Reg is still living in the south Birmingham area and quite probably where you mention, PGW. He will now be aged around 73. I bought alot of programmes off Reg over the years, and used to subscribe to him for the away programmes until he gave up that service at the end of the 2002/03 season.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: NatP on February 28, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
Nice little article about the 1975 League Cup Final programme  (http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1174-february-2014/11265-get-with-the-programme-aston-villa-v-norwich-city) on When Saturday Comes this week.

Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: middleagedvillafan on November 18, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
A guy who worked with my Dad had no interest in football but his father in law who lived with them was a massive Villa fan. Back in the 3rd division days we would stop off coming through Gravelly Hill and collect him on the way to the game. He would tell us stories about Harry Hampton and him going to the 1905 FA Cup final. Whatever time we arrived he would be standing ready at the front window as we drew up and was straight out the door to get to Villa Park. One time we must have been particularly early and went in the house. I can still picture being shown his old programmes. Maybe 8 or 9 bound volumes of the Aston Villa News and Record all pre first world war, the first team and reserve fixtures and in perfect condition. If memory serves me I think he died not that long after he came with us to the 1971 final.
As I say his son in law disliked football. Apparently after he died he cleared out his room fairly quickly and took everything to the dump.

It was reported that a couple of days after the new board took over in 1968 a skip was being filled with 'rubbish' including bound volumes of programmes going back to 1908 and burned. One man was, apparently, shouting with glee "The Villa are dead. Long live the Villa." as he hurled these irreplaceable artifacts into the fire. Guess which ex-travel agent this was.
Yes, It was the singer Harvey Andrews, who was working for VIlla at the time who was  ordered by Ellis to do this.  There was an original poster advertising the first ever Villa match as well as other pre 1900 stuff that got destroyed as well.  Why Andrews didn't have the gumption to try and save any of this I don't know?  Andrews made no mention of Ellis shouting 'Villa are dead' etc, in fact Ellis had just saved us, this jus sounds like the tired old Ellis bashing, yawn!
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Ron Manager on November 18, 2016, 11:11:20 AM
I think he may still be alive. We saw his act a couple of times at the Red Lion Kings Heath.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 18, 2016, 05:40:53 PM
Like a lot of people I have a good selection from the 60's buckets full from the 70's and 80's and not a lot from thereon in.  Finding rare ones like the Rochdale league cup final are getting harder by the year to source
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 18, 2016, 09:48:43 PM
Harvey Andrews I've seen a couple of times, once in a pub in Leicester circa 1983, me and my mate made up about a quarter of the audience but he's a lovely chap and a fine performer.  He's still playing, based in Shropshire I believe.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: littlevillain on November 18, 2016, 10:41:37 PM
I have an early 70s home programme v Swindon with Pongo Warings autograph on it. He was in the Trinity rd and my Dad said "Go over to that old man and ask him for his signature" .     
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 18, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
A guy who worked with my Dad had no interest in football but his father in law who lived with them was a massive Villa fan. Back in the 3rd division days we would stop off coming through Gravelly Hill and collect him on the way to the game. He would tell us stories about Harry Hampton and him going to the 1905 FA Cup final. Whatever time we arrived he would be standing ready at the front window as we drew up and was straight out the door to get to Villa Park. One time we must have been particularly early and went in the house. I can still picture being shown his old programmes. Maybe 8 or 9 bound volumes of the Aston Villa News and Record all pre first world war, the first team and reserve fixtures and in perfect condition. If memory serves me I think he died not that long after he came with us to the 1971 final.
As I say his son in law disliked football. Apparently after he died he cleared out his room fairly quickly and took everything to the dump.

It was reported that a couple of days after the new board took over in 1968 a skip was being filled with 'rubbish' including bound volumes of programmes going back to 1908 and burned. One man was, apparently, shouting with glee "The Villa are dead. Long live the Villa." as he hurled these irreplaceable artifacts into the fire. Guess which ex-travel agent this was.
Yes, It was the singer Harvey Andrews, who was working for VIlla at the time who was  ordered by Ellis to do this.  There was an original poster advertising the first ever Villa match as well as other pre 1900 stuff that got destroyed as well.  Why Andrews didn't have the gumption to try and save any of this I don't know?  Andrews made no mention of Ellis shouting 'Villa are dead' etc, in fact Ellis had just saved us, this jus sounds like the tired old Ellis bashing, yawn!

And a hearty welcome to you, too. Incidentally, the man who told me that story was the well-known Ellis basher and bore, Terry Weir.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 06, 2016, 04:06:16 PM
I have  a good  collection  up to around the mid 80's.  Past  that they became magazines  and I have no  interest whatsoever .  What I am lead  to believe though is that ticket stubs  are more valuable than programmes these days, quite  remarkable.  The anoraks  who I have smirked at in the past have had the last laugh.

Oh and I do miss the Saturday  evening Sports  Argus.  When I was  younger and lived in London after away games  I would go to this building on Fleet Street on the following Tuesday and buy my previous  Saturday copy.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 06, 2016, 04:09:50 PM
I have  a good  collection  up to around the mid 80's.  Past  that they became magazines  and I have no  interest whatsoever .  What I am lead  to believe though is that ticket stubs  are more valuable than programmes these days, quite  remarkable.  The anoraks  who I have smirked at in the past have had the last laugh.

Oh and I do miss the Saturday  evening Sports  Argus.  When I was  younger and lived in London after away games  I would go to this building on Fleet Street on the following Tuesday and buy my previous  Saturday copy.

Stubs are definitely the new programmes. There was less of them, fewer were saved and the rare programmes are now almost all in the hands of collectors.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: class-of-82 on December 06, 2016, 07:09:37 PM
I still got 3 mint tickets never used with stubs still attached from the league cup 2nd replay at old Trafford when 3 mates never turned up when there car broke down on route
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 07, 2016, 02:21:29 PM
I have  a good  collection  up to around the mid 80's.  Past  that they became magazines  and I have no  interest whatsoever .  What I am lead  to believe though is that ticket stubs  are more valuable than programmes these days, quite  remarkable.  The anoraks  who I have smirked at in the past have had the last laugh.

Oh and I do miss the Saturday  evening Sports  Argus.  When I was  younger and lived in London after away games  I would go to this building on Fleet Street on the following Tuesday and buy my previous  Saturday copy.

I arrived in London in 1985 and worked opposite that Fleet St newsagents. If I hadn't been to our game I would buy the Argus on the way to work on Monday morning.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: class-of-82 on December 07, 2016, 05:20:26 PM
Did any of you guys email me about purchasing one of the tickets I posted about
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 07, 2016, 06:40:57 PM
Yes me.

Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: walsall villain on May 26, 2022, 07:55:57 PM
Iíve got a large number of villa programmes going free to a good home. They date back to the early 1960ís. Canít be bothered to count them but 400+ maybe. Message me if interested.
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on May 26, 2022, 08:26:56 PM
Iíve got a large number of villa programmes going free to a good home. They date back to the early 1960ís. Canít be bothered to count them but 400+ maybe. Message me if interested.
Sent you a message mate...
Title: Re: Your old programmes
Post by: Perthvillan on June 02, 2022, 03:43:56 AM
I have most of the home league & cup games from end of WW2 to 1982.
Before 1968 Villa used to produce a reserve programme also as the Central League was very important back then.
A lot of these are pretty hard to get hold of from late 40's and 50's and therefore reasonably valuable.
A few first team ones I haven't been able to get hold of are Portsmouth 18/2/53 and Stoke 25/3/53 and a postponed game with Cardiff 30/12/61.
The early 1960's League Cup final programmes (home and away legs) are reasonably valuable as is the Man U (+ Burnley res) home following the Munich air crash in 1958.
Pre WW2 is a different matter entirely.
Some of those bound season volumes from back then are worth thousands as is FA Cup final from 1924 (v Newcastle).


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