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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on July 25, 2013, 03:48:22 PM
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Well what a shock, they went with the date Chavski wanted. Whoever would have believed it.
Due to Chelsea's participation in the Uefa Super Cup, the club's Barclays Premier League fixture versus Chelsea at Stamford Bridge has been rescheduled for Wednesday, August 21, kick-off 7.45pm.
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That's a turn up for the books. A midweek trip to London, after a weekend trip to London.
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So in the space of 7 days we play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool? How kind.
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3 Fixtures in a week and then no fixtures for 3 weeks. Ain't mod£rn football grand.
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That takes the piss.
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We'll win 'em all.
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At least that's 2 of the toughest away games done with in the 1st 4 days of the season
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Crickey. Oh well, I reckon we can get a good 5 points out of those.
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Trouble is we'll probably kill ourselves against Arsenal and just about lose, lose to Chelsea and be exhausted so we lose to a poor Liverpool side after that. Would have fancied us to beat Liverpool if we didn't have to play an extra game against a top side.
Feel really pissed off about this.
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Premier League bending over for the Special one at the first opportunity.
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That's piss poor, well Lambo has been saying that pre season is all about fitness, so at least we will be ready, and really fancied us against Liverpool, not so sure now.
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That's piss poor, well Lambo has been saying that pre season is all about fitness
Thing is, half the squad are out injured! :-\
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be nice to beat this chavy, classless bunch of lottery winners.
UTV
The Doc
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Thanks a fkn bunch Premier League.
What a shower of tossers.
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Thanks a fkn bunch Premier League.
What a shower of tossers.
what did you expect when "the godfather" is involved.
fed up of fucking Mourinho already.....
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I hate to be fair - but this only replicates what they did last year with the corresponding fixture when Chelsea were in the Super Cup.
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So...piss on the Villa in order to suit Chelseas needs. Thanks a fucking bunch. We absolutely HAVE to stuff them now. Keegan voice activated: "I would love it...LOVE IT, if we beat them!"
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9 points.
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Ah well we've got to play them. Get them out of the way early.
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That takes the piss.
It most certainly does but when the Premier League view all teams outside the top 4 as cannon fodder, it comes as no surprise.
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9 points.
...and top of the league for the next 3 weeks
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You might not like it but games are re-arranged for the earliest available date. That's not favouring them or victimising us - it's what happens.
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With the League Cup game, that's potentially 4 matches in 11 days. Tough start, but there you go.
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Maybe but I prefer the conspiracy theory.
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Kinda sucks, we could be sat in the relegation zone for a while there, which would be depressing .
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I think we'll have one point come September 14th. Anyone else?
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Makes it a really tough start. Let's hope all of our crocks are back in shape by the 17th!
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I'd rather have back to back fixtures like that at the front end of the season than towards the back, if we do get bad results we have time to recover.
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cheapest away ticket at stamford bridge this season is £47...
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That takes the piss.
It most certainly does but when the Premier League view all teams outside the top 4 as cannon fodder, it comes as no surprise.
Stop it now. There is no bias here as I see it. Match has been arranged early when both teams are fresh. Really don't see how it favours one team more than the other.
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So in the space of 7 days we play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool? How kind.
Well if we're going to win the league we've got to play and beat them at some point. The way I see it, it may as well be sooner rather than later ;-)
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So in the space of 7 days we play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool? How kind.
wonder what the odds would be for us getting 3 clean sheets,
a billion to one ?
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That takes the piss.
It most certainly does but when the Premier League view all teams outside the top 4 as cannon fodder, it comes as no surprise.
Stop it now. There is no bias here as I see it. Match has been arranged early when both teams are fresh. Really don't see how it favours one team more than the other.
I'd guess it favours them given they asked for this date and we asked it to be pushed back until after the Liverpool game.
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They may be overestimating their powers of recuperation at the start of the season. Hull will have knocked lumps out of them 3 days before.
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Did not want that at all, real possibility we'll start with two defeats now. Chelsea always start the season on fire in Mourinho's 1st spell.
Can't see us taking that many either after last season's horror show and it being straight after Arsenal away.
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That takes the piss.
It most certainly does but when the Premier League view all teams outside the top 4 as cannon fodder, it comes as no surprise.
Stop it now. There is no bias here as I see it. Match has been arranged early when both teams are fresh. Really don't see how it favours one team more than the other.
I'd guess it favours them given they asked for this date and we asked it to be pushed back until after the Liverpool game.
We can ask all we want but it's the first available date and therefore the one it was going to be.
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To be fair all sides, including the better ones are nowhere near their best, or fittest, in those first few games. We shouldn't be as daunted as we would later in the season.
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I think you're right Peter, get them out of the way early, and before they hit their stride...as long as we hit our stride.
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That takes the piss.
It most certainly does but when the Premier League view all teams outside the top 4 as cannon fodder, it comes as no surprise.
Stop it now. There is no bias here as I see it. Match has been arranged early when both teams are fresh. Really don't see how it favours one team more than the other.
I'd guess it favours them given they asked for this date and we asked it to be pushed back until after the Liverpool game.
We can ask all we want but it's the first available date and therefore the one it was going to be.
I get why you'd have that rule later in a season but does it really make sense to play 3 games in 7 days followed by 21 days without a game?
Just because that's the rule doesn't mean it's right.
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That takes the piss.
It most certainly does but when the Premier League view all teams outside the top 4 as cannon fodder, it comes as no surprise.
Stop it now. There is no bias here as I see it. Match has been arranged early when both teams are fresh. Really don't see how it favours one team more than the other.
I'd guess it favours them given they asked for this date and we asked it to be pushed back until after the Liverpool game.
We can ask all we want but it's the first available date and therefore the one it was going to be.
I get why you'd have that rule later in a season but does it really make sense to play 3 games in 7 days followed by 21 days without a game?
Just because that's the rule doesn't mean it's right.
It might not be right but neither is it the basis for a conspiracy theory.
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I don't think I ever said there was any kind of conspiracy.
I just think the Premier League have acted ridiculously.
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There is precedent for this, Chelsea played Reading at exactly the same time last year.
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There is precedent for this, Chelsea played Reading at exactly the same time last year.
Just because that's how it's been done in the past doesn't mean it's sensible to do it that way again.
I still haven't heard a sensible rationale for why it can't be played in the 3 weeks we don't have a game. I'm sure there is one as Chelsea wanted it to be played on that middle Wednesday but I don't think it's been explained to the fans (why would the Premier League bother communicating with the fans I hear you ask!).
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There is precedent for this, Chelsea played Reading at exactly the same time last year.
Yeah, but we're Aston Villa.
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I'm not going to let facts get in the way of me abusing the classless chav tossers.
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If you spell 'facts' backwards and use different letters it reads Classless chav tossers.
FACT.
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I think it is about as bad a first week to a season as you could wish for, and could wreck confidence for weeks to come. It is piss poor.
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I think you're right Peter, get them out of the way early, and before they hit their stride...as long as we hit our stride.
That's the big question though Gary, can we possible hit 6th gear for our first game.
I'd like to think PL has it all in hand, pre season is pre season but does not bode well so far
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The point being that we might not need to.
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That takes the piss.
It most certainly does but when the Premier League view all teams outside the top 4 as cannon fodder, it comes as no surprise.
Stop it now. There is no bias here as I see it. Match has been arranged early when both teams are fresh. Really don't see how it favours one team more than the other.
I'd guess it favours them given they asked for this date and we asked it to be pushed back until after the Liverpool game.
We can ask all we want but it's the first available date and therefore the one it was going to be.
I get why you'd have that rule later in a season but does it really make sense to play 3 games in 7 days followed by 21 days without a game?
Just because that's the rule doesn't mean it's right.
The 2 week gap was always going to be there because of England playing. It's only 7 more days on top.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2377914/Jose-Mourinho-granted-wish-Premier-League-Chelsea-v-Aston-Villa-August-21.html
Please God let us beat them
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I hate to be fair - but this only replicates what they did last year with the corresponding fixture when Chelsea were in the Super Cup.
No. This is a big club London team bias supported by the one eyed cockney mafia press who are in the hands of the scientologists.
In all seriousness, I've a pretty bad feeling that a not particularly match fit villa squad will get nul points from the first three games. Even if we replicate the good form from the back of last season we were losing all our games against these sides.
Looking on the positive side, if we are to have a slow start I'd prefer it to be against top sides as long as we don't pick up a tonking or two and hurt our confidence. A three week spell reflecting on being bottom of the league might be a problem
One of our problems last year was that we were in our worst form in january when we had some very winnable games. If we can be in full flow in October to December this year we should rack up quite a few points
We may also catch arsenal or Liverpool a bit cold. Liverpool are the weakest but it will be tough after the previous two games and presumably they'll be fresher.
Mourinho's record at home is unbelievable so I can't see anything out of that. I'd be tempted to plan for us on having our best side fresh for Liverpool and rest some fir chelsea. Not least because people can pick up injuries easily early on. But perhaps with some good subsequent recovery time we may not need to.
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At first I thought that the Premier League wasn't going to cave (as posted in the Fixtures thread). I guess that I gave them too much credit.
A "big" club wants something and the League bends over and takes it Deliverance style.
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I may as well take the 21st and 22nd off work.
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There is precedent for this, Chelsea played Reading at exactly the same time last year.
Just because that's how it's been done in the past doesn't mean it's sensible to do it that way again.
I still haven't heard a sensible rationale for why it can't be played in the 3 weeks we don't have a game. I'm sure there is one as Chelsea wanted it to be played on that middle Wednesday but I don't think it's been explained to the fans (why would the Premier League bother communicating with the fans I hear you ask!).
The sensible rationale is that there are international games on 6th & 10th September so it can't be played in those weeks.
The only other date it could be played in those 3 weeks is the midweek before the super cup game which is on a Friday so that limits it to the Tues night. What difference does 6 days make?
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Let's just get that game out of the way. I'm still having nightmares about last years game so getting it out of the way early (and hopefully unscathed) suits me.
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So in the space of 7 days we play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool? How kind.
wonder what the odds would be for us getting 3 clean sheets,
a billion to one ?
The chances of Villa keeping 3 clean sheets
Are a Billion to one he said
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So in the space of 7 days we play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool? How kind.
wonder what the odds would be for us getting 3 clean sheets,
a billion to one ?
The chances of Villa keeping 3 clean sheets
Are a Billion to one he said
Yep, you'd need to have been smoking the Red Weed, to think we'll manage that
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Do you know we are 8/1 just to beat Arsenal first game? I've only whacked a tenner on it but I couldn't ignore those odds. Lets see who is ready first.
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I'll have some of that
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I'd be surprised to get any points from these first three games, given the likely fitness levels of our squad and the ongoing feebleness of our defence. However, a surprise result at Arsenal would boost our confidence going into the next two games. Conversely, our confidence could take a right old battering, which was part of our problem towards the middle of last season. A crucial week.
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
Let's go all out to get a point from Arsenal and beat the Scousers.
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
Let's go all out to get a point from Arsenal and beat the Scousers.
Bollocks to that. We've got a 0-8 to get revenge for. We may well be bottom with no points after the first week but at least we've got 2 of the hardest away games out of the way.
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3 Fixtures in a week and then no fixtures for 3 weeks. Ain't mod£rn football grand.
I blame Paul Faulkner ; )
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Rest first teamers for the second game of the season? Turn it in soft lad.
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
That'll be a big confidence booster after last season's debacle.
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
I wouldn't
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I hope John Terry's got his armour plated shin pads on, Benteke has unfinished business with the gobshite.
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
I wouldn't
Nor I - I can't stand the horrible bollocksters. No class.
As for Terry there are few more rancid cretins than he in the whole of English footballing history.
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I thought this midweek date had been rejected due to Villa playing 3 games in 7 days. Now it's back on! I really fancied us to beat Liverpool but this game may hamper us.
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
Let's go all out to get a point from Arsenal and beat the Scousers.
And risk another 8-0 style humiliation? No chance. I'm sure we've a little bit of pride left at the club.
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3 Fixtures in a week and then no fixtures for 3 weeks. Ain't mod£rn football grand.
I blame Paul Faulkner ; )
I am not his biggest fan but I'm not sure even his harshest critic would pin that at his door. If Herbert was still in charge they would mind.
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
Let's go all out to get a point from Arsenal and beat the Scousers.
You what? Rest players against 'Millwall with money'? My grandfather and other assorted deceased lifetime Villa fans I grew up with as aboy would turn in their graves at such a pathetic suggestion
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I'd genuinely rest a few key first teamers against the Chavs.
Let's go all out to get a point from Arsenal and beat the Scousers.
You what? Rest players against 'Millwall with money'? My grandfather and other assorted deceased lifetime Villa fans I grew up with as aboy would turn in their graves at such a pathetic suggestion
Hear hear!
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We'll smash Arsenal, lose at Chelsea and draw 1-1 with Liverpool. Or lose 2-1.
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We'll smash Arsenal, lose at Chelsea and draw 1-1 with Liverpool. Or lose 2-1.
Switch Arsenal and Liverpool around, I think. Liverpool are not going to be that good this year, especially if the racist goes to Arsenal.
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No one, possibly even Lambert, knows what half of our first choice team is, so resting them is a moot point at this stage.
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They get a break soon after ffs, hate the thought of going into a game thinking we will lose
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It seems people are letting their hatred of Chelsea get in the way of looking at the game objectively.
It's 3 days after we'll have put our all in to a no doubt tough game at Arsenal. If we go with a full strength eleven for the second time in 4 days, it may well be a close affair where we fight to the end, give the old '110%' but most likely will end up with nothing.
This then leaves us at less than 100% going into a very winnable home game against Liverpool 3 days later, where they will have no Luis Suarez.
I'd much rather see us fully fresh for the Liverpool game and get 3 points there. If we go into it at 80-90%, I'd fancy us to only get a point max, leaving us with 0-1 points after 3 games.
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I can't see us losing any of the first 3 games.
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If you are going to play any of these sides it is better to play them early before they really get going. Not saying it evens the playing field but it's just a little less predictable. The first couple of months of the season always provides the odd upset and we have a chance to do that at Arsenal or Chelsea. We should have beaten Liverpool at home last season so I'm not including them in any way as an overly daunting game. It will be a good test for either side.
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I don't think it's beyond us to get decent results against Arsenal and Liverpool. Chelsea will be tough whenever we play them.
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It seems people are letting their hatred of Chelsea get in the way of looking at the game objectively.
It's 3 days after we'll have put our all in to a no doubt tough game at Arsenal. If we go with a full strength eleven for the second time in 4 days, it may well be a close affair where we fight to the end, give the old '110%' but most likely will end up with nothing.
This then leaves us at less than 100% going into a very winnable home game against Liverpool 3 days later, where they will have no Luis Suarez.
I'd much rather see us fully fresh for the Liverpool game and get 3 points there. If we go into it at 80-90%, I'd fancy us to only get a point max, leaving us with 0-1 points after 3 games.
With respect ,you've already written this load of cobblers once. Do you really have to repeat it all? It's nothing to do with hating that despicable bunch of scum no class tossers and everything to do with the fact that we are Aston Villa. And we don't take that mentality into any game against any team. The Arsenal game will be as tough for them as it is for us and the day I fear us playing Millwall with money is the day I give up following football
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If we send out a weakened team for a league game, we may as well fucking give up.
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If we send out a weakened team for a league game, we may as well fucking give up.
Second game in as well. Not like some crappy little team on the verge of relegation who send out the reserve team at the Theatre of Shit because they're playing someone else in the relegation zone at home the following week at the end of the season and need 3 points to stay up....
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In 95-96, we had Man Utd home, Spurs away and then Leeds away, and nobody thought we'd have a point.
We took six, and I think we'll do the same this time, for the season too.
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I can't see us losing any of the first 3 games.
I've never envisaged us losing any game, ever.
I have learnt to live with the ensuing incessant disappointment.
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It seems people are letting their hatred of Chelsea get in the way of looking at the game objectively.
It's 3 days after we'll have put our all in to a no doubt tough game at Arsenal. If we go with a full strength eleven for the second time in 4 days, it may well be a close affair where we fight to the end, give the old '110%' but most likely will end up with nothing.
This then leaves us at less than 100% going into a very winnable home game against Liverpool 3 days later, where they will have no Luis Suarez.
I'd much rather see us fully fresh for the Liverpool game and get 3 points there. If we go into it at 80-90%, I'd fancy us to only get a point max, leaving us with 0-1 points after 3 games.
With respect ,you've already written this load of cobblers once. Do you really have to repeat it all? It's nothing to do with hating that despicable bunch of scum no class tossers and everything to do with the fact that we are Aston Villa. And we don't take that mentality into any game against any team. The Arsenal game will be as tough for them as it is for us and the day I fear us playing Millwall with money is the day I give up following football
Ha ha, the post that starts 'with respect' and is then with no respect at all.
Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
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It seems people are letting their hatred of Chelsea get in the way of looking at the game objectively.
It's 3 days after we'll have put our all in to a no doubt tough game at Arsenal. If we go with a full strength eleven for the second time in 4 days, it may well be a close affair where we fight to the end, give the old '110%' but most likely will end up with nothing.
This then leaves us at less than 100% going into a very winnable home game against Liverpool 3 days later, where they will have no Luis Suarez.
I'd much rather see us fully fresh for the Liverpool game and get 3 points there. If we go into it at 80-90%, I'd fancy us to only get a point max, leaving us with 0-1 points after 3 games.
With respect ,you've already written this load of cobblers once. Do you really have to repeat it all? It's nothing to do with hating that despicable bunch of scum no class tossers and everything to do with the fact that we are Aston Villa. And we don't take that mentality into any game against any team. The Arsenal game will be as tough for them as it is for us and the day I fear us playing Millwall with money is the day I give up following football
Ha ha, the post that starts 'with respect' and is then with no respect at all.
Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
I don't think you're in much of a position to talk about respect.
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So in the space of 7 days we play Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool? How kind.
wonder what the odds would be for us getting 3 clean sheets,
a billion to one ?
Odds would be relatively high for 1 clean sheet right about now.
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It seems people are letting their hatred of Chelsea get in the way of looking at the game objectively.
It's 3 days after we'll have put our all in to a no doubt tough game at Arsenal. If we go with a full strength eleven for the second time in 4 days, it may well be a close affair where we fight to the end, give the old '110%' but most likely will end up with nothing.
This then leaves us at less than 100% going into a very winnable home game against Liverpool 3 days later, where they will have no Luis Suarez.
I'd much rather see us fully fresh for the Liverpool game and get 3 points there. If we go into it at 80-90%, I'd fancy us to only get a point max, leaving us with 0-1 points after 3 games.
With respect ,you've already written this load of cobblers once. Do you really have to repeat it all? It's nothing to do with hating that despicable bunch of scum no class tossers and everything to do with the fact that we are Aston Villa. And we don't take that mentality into any game against any team. The Arsenal game will be as tough for them as it is for us and the day I fear us playing Millwall with money is the day I give up following football
Ha ha, the post that starts 'with respect' and is then with no respect at all.
Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
I'm afraid we are very different sorts of Villa fans, poles apart in fact, so let's just leave it at that. Your idea of us resting much of the first team second game in against an unknown entity with a new manager and a number of new players beggars belief quite frankly. I wonder what any manager worth his salt and with pride in his club would make of your suggestion. You're right, I have no respect for it at all and I certainly don't think you show Aston Villa one iota of respect either. Mind you, hats off to you, you have a very healthy respect for that bunch of despicable tossers
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It seems people are letting their hatred of Chelsea get in the way of looking at the game objectively.
It's 3 days after we'll have put our all in to a no doubt tough game at Arsenal. If we go with a full strength eleven for the second time in 4 days, it may well be a close affair where we fight to the end, give the old '110%' but most likely will end up with nothing.
This then leaves us at less than 100% going into a very winnable home game against Liverpool 3 days later, where they will have no Luis Suarez.
I'd much rather see us fully fresh for the Liverpool game and get 3 points there. If we go into it at 80-90%, I'd fancy us to only get a point max, leaving us with 0-1 points after 3 games.
With respect ,you've already written this load of cobblers once. Do you really have to repeat it all? It's nothing to do with hating that despicable bunch of scum no class tossers and everything to do with the fact that we are Aston Villa. And we don't take that mentality into any game against any team. The Arsenal game will be as tough for them as it is for us and the day I fear us playing Millwall with money is the day I give up following football
Ha ha, the post that starts 'with respect' and is then with no respect at all.
Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
Congratulations sir, as that last paragraph is the biggest pile of horseshit I've read on here in a long time.
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It seems people are letting their hatred of Chelsea get in the way of looking at the game objectively.
It's 3 days after we'll have put our all in to a no doubt tough game at Arsenal. If we go with a full strength eleven for the second time in 4 days, it may well be a close affair where we fight to the end, give the old '110%' but most likely will end up with nothing.
This then leaves us at less than 100% going into a very winnable home game against Liverpool 3 days later, where they will have no Luis Suarez.
I'd much rather see us fully fresh for the Liverpool game and get 3 points there. If we go into it at 80-90%, I'd fancy us to only get a point max, leaving us with 0-1 points after 3 games.
With respect ,you've already written this load of cobblers once. Do you really have to repeat it all? It's nothing to do with hating that despicable bunch of scum no class tossers and everything to do with the fact that we are Aston Villa. And we don't take that mentality into any game against any team. The Arsenal game will be as tough for them as it is for us and the day I fear us playing Millwall with money is the day I give up following football
Ha ha, the post that starts 'with respect' and is then with no respect at all.
Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
I'm afraid we are very different sorts of Villa fans, poles apart in fact, so let's just leave it at that. Your idea of us resting much of the first team second game in against an unknown entity with a new manager and a number of new players beggars belief quite frankly. I wonder what any manager worth his salt and with pride in his club would make of your suggestion. You're right, I have no respect for it at all and I certainly don't think you show Aston Villa one iota of respect either. Mind you, hats off to you, you have a very healthy respect for that bunch of despicable tossers
Fair enough. I've seen what I've seen over the past 20-odd years of following the club and many Villa fans who have been following the club a lot longer than I have often see the club in a very different light to myself.
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Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
Congratulations sir, as that last paragraph is the biggest pile of horseshit I've read on here in a long time.
That's your opinion, but it contains factually correct statements so you'd be best not to argue with all of it.
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Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
Congratulations sir, as that last paragraph is the biggest pile of horseshit I've read on here in a long time.
That's your opinion, but it contains factually correct statements so you'd be best not to argue with all of it.
Think you'll find in my first post I posted one line after I said I'd rest players against Chelsea, my latest post I gave the full reasoning as to why.
Hadn't you already posted your load of cobblers about 'Millwall with money' once already? We are talking about a team here with the 5th highest average attendance overall in English football. You may wish to kid yourself that we are bigger or better because we won a load of league titles before they had even formed but I prefer to view things without the claret and blue specs permanently on.
Congratulations sir, as that last paragraph is the biggest pile of horseshit I've read on here in a long time.
That's your opinion, but it contains factually correct statements so you'd be best not to argue with all of it.
Forgive me, I must have imagined standing on a crumbling terrace in 1993 with 16,000 others, about a third of who were Villa fans.
They're a 'tourist team' mate, the only club that was formed as a business enterprise to exploit the growing popularity of football.
Have a look at how their attendances dropped off once the swinging sixties/kings road bollocks died off in the early seventies, right up till Ruud Gullit turned up. Post war they had some good players, and with the ease of public transport around London they'd draw in plenty of spectators like my father-in-law who's solid Crystal Palace, but used to go and watch whoever had a decent side in London when they were away.
Their is absolutely nothing in their history to suggest we treat them in the manor you'd originally intended though, but then that goes for any club in the game.
That kind of thinking went out the door with McLeish.
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They were averaging less than 10,000 in the late 1980s in the old second division. My Bluenose mate at the time went to Stamford Bridge and showed me the programme which at the back had their attendences. They're gate of under 6,000 for the Walsall game was shocking!
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That's your opinion, but it contains factually correct statements so you'd be best not to argue with all of it.
Forgive me, I must have imagined standing on a crumbling terrace in 1993 with 16,000 others, about a third of who were Villa fans.
They're a 'tourist team' mate, the only club that was formed as a business enterprise to exploit the growing popularity of football.
Have a look at how their attendances dropped off once the swinging sixties/kings road bollocks died off in the early seventies, right up till Ruud Gullit turned up. Post war they had some good players, and with the ease of public transport around London they'd draw in plenty of spectators like my father-in-law who's solid Crystal Palace, but used to go and watch whoever had a decent side in London when they were away.
Their is absolutely nothing in their history to suggest we treat them in the manor you'd originally intended though, but then that goes for any club in the game.
That kind of thinking went out the door with McLeish.
Being in London does give them that easy avenue to boost their attendances when times are good, sure.
I still don't think they used to be as badly supported as people like to make out pre Abramovich and pre Premier League.
Historical attendances are on this site if anyone's interested: http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm
The season they spent in the old second division in the late 80s (1989) they averaged just under 16,000.
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Resting players against any team who we are in direct competition to is disrespectful to everyone concerned, the team, the fans, the opposition and their supporters.
You sound like you've given up.
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Chavski are such a big club they got less than 9,000 for a Premier League game at home to Coventry. They also failed to average 25K in a season from 1979 until 1996. Funny how that is the season Gullit turned up.
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Chavski are such a big club they got less than 9,000 for a Premier League game at home to Coventry. They also failed to average 25K in a season from 1979 until 1996. Funny how that is the season Gullit turned up.
Quietest ground I've ever been to, Stamford Bridge. Much quieter than Arsenal and the Emirates gets a bad rap for that.
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We had a good record against Chelsea under Mourinho the first time round, didn't we? So it might not be the lost cause that some make it out to be.
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There's some Chelsea twat that drinks in a local by me. He took great pleasure in telling me he sits in the Villa end when Chelsea turn up, and for some reason got offended when I told that if I see him there, I'd grass him up.
Plus, he failed the glory hunter question for all nouveau-Chelsea fans; Who was Nigel Spackman?
Cock.
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We had a good record against Chelsea under Mourinho the first time round, didn't we? So it might not be the lost cause that some make it out to be.
At home yeah. I believe Villa Park is the only premier league ground that Mourinho has visited more than once that he has yet to win at.
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Dad is from Hammersmith and used to go to all the London grounds, as he couldn't get to Birmingham. So his knowledge of Chelsea (in fact all the London teams) post-war is pretty impressive. My Chelsea knowledge extends to Panini 84, etc.
A couple of years back, Dad and I were drinking in the pub opposite Fulham Broadway station (The White Hart?), before a Chelsea v Villa match. So we were sat at this table, with about 6 Chelsea fans. Dad waxing lyrical about some 50s centre forward, me talking about Doug Rougvie, Pat Nevin, etc. We didn't let on for ages that we were Villa fans, but didn't tacitly deny it. After a while, we decided to drop it in to discussion. How did they react? They simultaneously stopped talking to us and turned their backs on us! Even when we started laughing at them, they simply wouldn't talk to us any more! Bless.
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I remember the FA Cup Final 2000 well for other reasons. Four of us were travelling to Wembley on the tube and the atmosphere was great. Really friendly. At one of the stops the carriage was invaded by rather a large number of aggressive, pissed-up Chelsea fans. Atmosphere changed immediately. Coat zips were done up sharpish.
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While we were waiting for everyone to get back to the limo a few Chelsea took some kickings near the Hilton. Hopefully it was your 'mates' Leeg and not some innocent scarfers.
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Those that boarded the tube carriage we were on were hardly 'innocent'. Well up for causing trouble. Us four cowards were, quite frankly, bricking it.
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I've loathed Chelsea since the 80's when they smashed up shops in Aston belonging to anyone from the South Asian Continent after we played, and beat, them 2-0. Dirty, bullying fascist bastards. They then bleated when we took it to them them at Molineux in the same season and then at Digbeth for their "Young NF" rally.
And they had flick haircuts...
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at the FA cup semi-final we were on the tube and were invaded by Chelsea fans throwing cabbages leaves about, we were not sure why either....
the only thing we came up with is that they probably could not afford celery the classless, glory-hunting knobbers ...
very moody on the way back into London after the game, so we got off and had a couple of pints and let the wankers all fuck off back to wherever they come from.
UTV
The Doc
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at the FA cup semi-final we were on the tube and were invaded by Chelsea fans throwing cabbages leaves about, we were not sure why either....
I'm guessing they were celery leaves, Doc?
traditionally thrown onto the pitch by Chelsea fans ( along with darts and shaprened 50p pieces)
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tickets are going to be £52/£55 each (lower/upper tier)
no ta.
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No ta indeed.
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At that price I'd hope the club to send them all back.
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Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10245863/Paul-Lambert-accuses-Premier-League-of-favouring-Jose-Mourinho-and-Chelsea-over-fixtures.html)
Paul Lambert accuses Premier League of favouring Jose Mourinho and Chelsea over fixtures
Paul Lambert has angrily accused the Premier League of giving Jose Mourinho and Chelsea preferential treatment over fixtures.
By John Percy
10:30PM BST 15 Aug 2013
Lambert has been handed a daunting start to the season that will see Aston Villa face Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool in the first week, after the Premier League ordered his team to travel to Stamford Bridge on Wednesday.
Villa were scheduled to meet Chelsea on August 30th but the date clashes with Mourinho's obligation to play Bayern Munich in the Uefa Super Cup, and Lambert was confident of delaying the game until later in the season.
But Lambert and Villa were left stunned when the Premier League ordered the fixture to be fulfilled in the first midweek of the season, potentially handing Chelsea the prospect of travelling to Manchester United on Aug 26 with six points from two home games in what could prove an early psychological blow in the title race.
Villa are even more frustrated as the change mean they will face an unwanted three-week break after their home game with Liverpool next Saturday, as they do not return to action until Sept 14 when they play Newcastle.
And Lambert was clearly furious as he reflected on Villa's difficult introduction to the campaign and hinted that his club may be a victim of "big club syndrome".
He said: "I disagree with this, I don’t think it’s fair. There was no compromise there whatsover. I gave them [the Premier League] five dates to choose from originally. Then I picked one and I thought everything was fine.
"Then all of a sudden, they tell us we’re getting jammed in between Arsenal and Liverpool when we had given dates before.
"We had about 45 different explanations - but I don’t know if one of them is true. I don’t get it. Would have it been different if it had been the other way round? Possibly, yes, are you talking about big club syndrome?
"I wasn’t convinced by the answer I got, put it that way. I still came away none the wiser. I’d love to know in years gone by if Villa have had a harder start than we’ve got.
"It’s a hard game against Arsenal, but to put the Chelsea one in between was strange I thought."
The Premier League have argued that the game had to be played at the first available date, due to the fear of fixture congestion later in the season should both clubs be involved in cup competitions.
Last season Chelsea's game against Reading was rearranged for the first midweek due to a clash with last year's Super Cup meeting with Atletico Madrid.
But it leaves Lambert facing two difficult trips to London in the space of five days, with Villa understood to have complained bitterly to the League after the decision was made.
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These comments makes us look VERY Small Time. But really it's just PL getting his excuses in first in the event that we only get a couple of points (or less) from the first three matches. Pathetic really.
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He might think this, the players might think this, we definately think this but for fucks sake, the manager sounds like he is already running scared, sending out the wrong message entirely.
This isn't Norwich anymore.
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So Man U are small time as well then as they are complaining about the same thing.
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No Man Utd are just complaining about the fixtures they have been scheduled. They wanted 6 easy games to start Moyes off with. PL is complaining that this one had to be moved and there were better dates available than the one which has been set.
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So Man U are small time as well then as they are complaining about the same thing.
The complaint is esentially the same but the angle is different, we are considered the small club so our complaint will be percieved as opposition to bullying of the PL from the bigger club. Newton Heath's complaint is percieved as a tactic to bully the PL when fixtures are arranged in future, using their position and influence through the media.
However it is viewed it doesn't show either club in a particularly favourable light.
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I think he has a fair point and I don't think it reflects badly. Two away trips in the first 5 days of the season, when other dates were given - a bit unreasonable.
A bloody tough start, looking forward to it though.
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No Man Utd are just complaining about the fixtures they have been scheduled. They wanted 6 easy games to start Moyes off with. PL is complaining that this one had to be moved and there were better dates available than the one which has been set.
I agree
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My take is that no club should have to start with two away games whoever they were against. We are the only club in this position and consequently have been put at a disadavantage in the same way Chelsea are being put at an adbvantage.
I wonder if they would have been so keen to switch if they were having to start with two away games rather than two at home.
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My take is that no club should have to start with two away games whoever they were against. We are the only club in this position and consequently have been put at a disadavantage in the same way Chelsea are being put at an adbvantage.
I wonder if they would have been so keen to switch if they were having to start with two away games rather than two at home.
I don't think anybody connected with the Villa would disagree, including myself, I just think it sounds like whingeing when it's reported in the media. I appreciate that Lambert was asked the question but maybe he should've have stonewalled it and sounded a bit more defiant.
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Two away games to start is hardly ideal, but the fuss PL is making is childish and pathetic.
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Two away games to start is hardly ideal, but the fuss PL is making is childish and pathetic.
No it's not, he's making a valid point. It was changed for Chelsea's benefit. If you want childish and pathetic, see David Moyes' comments from yesterday.
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Two away games to start is hardly ideal, but the fuss PL is making is childish and pathetic.
No it's not, he's making a valid point. It was changed for Chelsea's benefit. If you want childish and pathetic, see David Moyes' comments from yesterday.
Oh yes it is....etc.
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So the comment you'd prefer to see is "why thank you, that's an absolutely wonderful compromise and I'm so glad you asked me for my completely useless opinion on rescheduling"
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I am fully behind PL on this one.
We have been given the full shaft without lube.
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Mourinho starts with two home games which everyone at Chelsea will assume to be bankers.
I have to put up with these tossers, living down the road from the ground. Missed the 8-0 last year with being home for Christmas, think I'll give West London a wide berth for this one too next Wed.
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So the comment you'd prefer to see is "why thank you, that's an absolutely wonderful compromise and I'm so glad you asked me for my completely useless opinion on rescheduling"
Well he could've said:
"We aren't happy with the situation and we have made our thoughts known to the PL" then proceeded to talk about the games from a football point of view.
It keeps things positive and doesn't sound like we are in fear of playing the games.
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So the comment you'd prefer to see is "why thank you, that's an absolutely wonderful compromise and I'm so glad you asked me for my completely useless opinion on rescheduling"
Well he could've said:
"We aren't happy with the situation and we have made our thoughts known to the PL" then proceeded to talk about the games from a football point of view.
It keeps things positive and doesn't sound like we are in fear of playing the games.
From the interviews I have heard him give he does not seem in fear at all. I'm surprised our start to the season has become nationwide news all of a sudden and can't help but feel the media are suddenly interested in this only because they are trying to create a tedious Moyes v Mourinho rivalry upon which to build their narrative for the season.
So far the plot reads: the Premier League have given Moyes a "tough" start and Mourinho an "easy" start...Expect football reporters to type pages and pages of page-filling guff on the back of the fall-out.
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I'm right behind Lambert on this too - the Premier League's silly rules around rearranging games are inflexible and just plain wrong. For us to face 3 games against top 6 opposition in 7 days at the start of the season when no-one's really match fit, only to then have 21 days without a game is ridiculous. If nothing else it increases the risk of players getting injured but it also shafts us in particular because of the opposition and the fact two of those games are away from home. It just shows a complete lack of common sense on the part of the Premier League again.
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I also don't see anything wrong with this. As it reads We suggested a bunch of dates and which we'd prefer, Chelsea did the same and the premier league went with the one Chelsea picked. If they've been given the option to suggest dates why is the 'first available' the reason being given. If that was the rule why were other dates ever discussed? The whole thing seems off in a way I can't quite put my finger on, I fully back PL for saying something.
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Of course it's not fair. To give anybody consecutive away games at 2 of last season's top 4 clubs to start the season is not a fair way of scheduling the fixtures. I can't imagine any other Premiership Manager not complaining about it in the same situation.
It's's also not fair on the supporters, but that's long been a given in the Premiership era.
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I would rather get those 2 hard games out of the way in the first week and then onwards and upwards
As far as I'm concerned, anything better than 2 drubbings is a positive, even if we end up say - 4 goal difference after these 2 that would be ok and then we try to get something from Liverpool.
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I think PL sounds a little small-time - I do think he could have been a little more 'above it all' than he does - but he definitely has a point, particularly with the 3 week gap after the ''The Mighty Reds YNWA' game.
Having said that, I think I'd rather play Arse and Chelsea away earlier rather than later in the season.
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I wonder if for the sake of argument we'd have suggested this Wednesday and Chelsea had suggested another date, which way it would have gone?
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These comments makes us look VERY Small Time. But really it's just PL getting his excuses in first in the event that we only get a couple of points (or less) from the first three matches. Pathetic really.
Why does he need to get his excuses in for a couple of points. I'd take that now.
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Not many will expect us to get any points at all from the first 3 games. I don't think PL is making excuses, just making a point (no pun!) that Villa offered 5 dates and all were ignored in favour of a date that seems to suit the opposition instead.
I'd be a bit pissed off too.
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I would rather get those 2 hard games out of the way in the first week and then onwards and upwards
As far as I'm concerned, anything better than 2 drubbings is a positive, even if we end up say - 4 goal difference after these 2 that would be ok and then we try to get something from Liverpool.
Momentum is important though, particularly in the early stages of the season and with the way the fixtures are we're going to have to work extremely hard to create any.
Whatever you think of PL's comments, and however you think we'll get on in our first 3 games, it's undeniable that our early-season fixtures are extremely unkind.
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Not many will expect us to get any points at all from the first 3 games. I don't think PL is making excuses, just making a point (no pun!) that Villa offered 5 dates and all were ignored in favour of a date that seems to suit the opposition instead.
I'd be a bit pissed off too.
Quite so, nephew of Frank Moss.
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I would rather get those 2 hard games out of the way in the first week and then onwards and upwards
As far as I'm concerned, anything better than 2 drubbings is a positive, even if we end up say - 4 goal difference after these 2 that would be ok and then we try to get something from Liverpool.
Momentum is important though, particularly in the early stages of the season and with the way the fixtures are we're going to have to work extremely hard to create any.
Whatever you think of PL's comments, and however you think we'll get on in our first 3 games, it's undeniable that our early-season fixtures are extremely unkind.
Momentum is key, an extra week between games this early in the season does us no favours, regardless of who the games are against or where they are played. If I was Lambert I'd be tempted to try to arrange an extra friendly to keep the match sharpness up.
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It could be PLs way of developing an us against the world mentality
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And what exactly is David Moyes complaining about in comparison? They've two of their rivals spread out over four games cushioned by dross like Crystal Palace. Already on the defensive, not a good sign.
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I have no ill will towards him but Moyes getting the Yawnighted job is a clear a demonstration of the Peter Principle as you are ever likely to see.
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my tickets for this came today, £55 each, as my lad hasn't got a farthing that's cost me £110 for a football match ffs
you could buy a house for that when I were a lad
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my tickets for this came today, £55 each, as my lad hasn't got a farthing that's cost me £110 for a football match ffs
you could buy a house for that when I were a lad
The club should have sent them back at that price, particularly after the re-scheduling.
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my tickets for this came today, £55 each, as my lad hasn't got a farthing that's cost me £110 for a football match ffs
you could buy a house for that when I were a lad
The club should have sent them back at that price, particularly after the re-scheduling.
didn't Man City do something similar with Arsenal tickets last season ?
or I might have understood it wrong