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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on July 19, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
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Any news on what's going on with these pair?
Whenever outcasts who are training with the kids or alone are mentioned, it's Hutton, Ireland and Bent.
Are these pair training with them as well or are they with the main squad? I know they didn't travel to Germany, but they just don't seem to get mentioned..
Thought a championship side would have taken a punt on them by now if they're available
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Bannan was out of favour at the end of last season and looking at it objectively (I don't rate him) he still remains way down the midfield pecking order for what he offers so I expect him gone by the start of the season.
The fonz time has passed here really, part of it his fault, part of it managers reluctant to throw him in at times, part of it he's not good enough for the premier league. Weimann has surpassed him anyway.
Thought Albrighton might go the same way but seems Lambert will give him another chance as last season was disrupted by injury.
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Bannan didn't go to Germany, which is probably a sign he's offski.
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I think Fonzie just doesn't cut it at Premier League level. Not his fault as such, just that he is of limited ability.
What I do find odd is that he is still at Villa.
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No barbecue for Bannan!
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I think Fonzie just doesn't cut it at Premier League level. Not his fault as such, just that he is of limited ability.
What I do find odd is that he is still at Villa.
That's what I mean..
He doesn't get mentioned as training with the outcasts, yet he doesn't travel with the first team
Its like he gets paid to stop at home and just waits for a call from the club to tell him someone wants to borrow him for a few month temp work
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Have Blackpool got any money, maybe they'll sign him permanently?
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Have Blackpool got any money, maybe they'll sign him permanently?
I dunno. He never really set the world alight there. Got something like 7 goals last season. Granted he played some games on the wing, which he's always looked really lost in. You'd have thought comparing Wiemann and Fonz that Wiemann would be the one who'd struggle more fitting in wide, but he's done very well, whilst Fonzie can't seem to do it.
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The Fonz has been 'the next big thing' for about five or six years now and still hasn't broken through despite all the youngsters getting a chance.
That ship seems to have sailed...
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I don't think Fonzy knuckled down enough to be honest. I see him somewhere between Luke and Stefan. I don't think he'll end up back in the prem like Luke, but I don't think he'll drop as far as Stefan. But all three had more natural ability than Gabby without the fantastic work ethic and attitude. Gabby's worked bloody hard and as much as he gets some moans on here, his all round game has improved over the years. His passing is better, his hold up play is actually very good now, and he's worked on his touch a lot too. It's far from adhesive but it's not bad now.
In part perhaps Fonz earning 20k a week so young and so early into his Villa career probably made him think he'd made it. Ditto Bannan to be honest.
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Fonz and Bannan both have the natural ability to have decent Premier League careers. That extra something though is missing, be it work ethic, attitude, or whatever. Both will have professional football careers but at a far lower standard than it should have been.
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I was reading that Wolves wanted the Fonz on a seasons loan but seems to have gone quiet.
By the look of it neither are in Lambert's plans for next season.
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As PWS says, I don't think talent is what Fonz lacks. He's skillful, decent pace and good finisher.
It's just that something extra he's missing and he hasn't been able to follow through with a consistent season at Prem or Ch'ship level. Not getting a decent run of games for us (four starts in a row under Houllier I think was as good as it got) or being shunted onto the wing at Burnley and Blackpool didn't help but sadly, cos I always rated him and believed he would go further than Weimann, you have to step up to the plate at some stage and he hasn't really.
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Bannan's off to Blackburn permanently I think.
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Bannan and Spearing in the same midfield? Sounds like a tall order to me.
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As PWS says, I don't think talent is what Fonz lacks. He's skillful, decent pace and good finisher.
It's just that something extra he's missing and he hasn't been able to follow through with a consistent season at Prem or Ch'ship level. Not getting a decent run of games for us (four starts in a row under Houllier I think was as good as it got) or being shunted onto the wing at Burnley and Blackpool didn't help but sadly, cos I always rated him and believed he would go further than Weimann, you have to step up to the plate at some stage and he hasn't really.
I think he just lacks the nastiness, mean streak and determination to step up to the next level
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Have Blackpool got any money, maybe they'll sign him permanently?
A lot of Blackpool fans at work really liked him last season & would love to sign him this. Getting money off Karl Oyston seems to be the problem!
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Fonz is a Championship player at best.
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If they're both genuinely on 20k a week it's gonna be hard to shift either of them until their contracts have run down.
That batch of youngsters who were much hyped has proved a real let down I think, Weimann apart.
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Offer both , plus Clark and Herd if necc, and swap for Ince.
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If they're both genuinely on 20k a week it's gonna be hard to shift either of them until their contracts have run down.
That batch of youngsters who were much hyped has proved a real let down I think, Weimann apart.
They should be prepared to take a pay cut to get regular first team football.
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Offer both , plus Clark and Herd if necc, and swap for Ince.
They're hardly going to offer Clark to anyone after he's just signed a contract.
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Well, hes never going to be good enough imho 3bad, so might be tempting for Bpool.
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Well, hes never going to be good enough imho 3bad, so might be tempting for Bpool.
It doesn't matter how tempting he might be he's just signed a new contract. Therefore Aston Villa don't share your views on Clark and he won't be offered.
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I don't really know about what Leeds need, but could Fonz be used as a sweetener for Byram?
It's a bit late now, but I've always pronounced Delfouneso as Del-fun-zo, commentators often say del-fo-nay-zo, some say del-fuh-nay-zo. Which is it? If I'm going to say bye I want to say it properly.
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I say Del-fon-zeo
althought recently i've changed it to del-fon-zo
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I say Del-fon-zeo
althought recently i've changed it to del-fon-zo
Let's call the whole thing off.
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On another note, what's Gabby been up too? Not heard much on him this pre season so far?
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On another note, what's Gabby been up too? Not heard much on him this pre season so far?
Lambert mentioned he was injured.
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On another note, what's Gabby been up too? Not heard much on him this pre season so far?
Lambert interviewed on SSN earlier about any more signings and he said that Gabby was injured along with another six players.
EWW beat me to it.
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On another note, what's Gabby been up too? Not heard much on him this pre season so far?
Lambert interviewed on SSN earlier about any more signings and he said that Gabby was injured along with another six players.
EWW beat me to it.
what did he say on more signings ?
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That we have six players injured and when they come back it'll be like having six new players, we're totze sorted.
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Fonz has had his chances with various managers and hasn't taken them so he needs to move on. As for Bannan he winds me up every time i see him, he's lazy, tries the spectacular all the time when an easy option is available to him. He is a liabilty who needs to be moved on quickly.
UTV
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Bannan isn't lazy and stopped the 'hollywood' pass two seasons back. A tidy squad player along with Clark, Albrighton, Baker and Gardner.
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Being a squad player is what Bannan's been since 2009. He's barely progressed. Time to ship him out. The others have all come on - Albrighton at his best was a lot better than Bannan and he's had his fair share of injuries so deserves another chance.
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If i had to pick between Delfouneso and Bowery as a forward i'd pick Delfouneso EVERY single time
I'm not sure why he gets so much flak. Decent player that's never had a proper run in his favoured position. But he certainly looks a better bet than Bowery in front of goal to me. You could say that's not saying a lot, but i think Nathan's got something to offer.
But I was told once that his main problem is a lack of self belief, and that was from folks at Bodymoor
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Bannan is behind Bacuna, KEA, Gardner, Sylla, Delph and Westwood minimum for one of 2/3 places in the side, I can't see any reason to keep him. I agree Delfouneso looks a better bet than Bowery, but that isn't saying much and I'd still put him behind Benteke, Helenius, Gabby, Tonev, N'Zog, Weimann and Albrighton for one of the 3 forward roles, so again I dont see much point in keeping him. He's probably on quadruple Bowerys salary as well.
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Be chuffed if we can get a couple £m for either before deadline's out, but I've a feeling we'll be stuck with them until their contracts run down (which I believe is end of this upcoming season, making it all the less likely we'll be getting any noteworthy offers for either). C'est la vie.
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If i had to pick between Delfouneso and Bowery as a forward i'd pick Delfouneso EVERY single time
I'm not sure why he gets so much flak. Decent player that's never had a proper run in his favoured position. But he certainly looks a better bet than Bowery in front of goal to me. You could say that's not saying a lot, but i think Nathan's got something to offer.
But I was told once that his main problem is a lack of self belief, and that was from folks at Bodymoor
The fonz ATTITUDE seems the sticky point JB has so much potential and will progress again this season I d rather have Bowery every single time
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Simple offer Bannan and Nathan, (one of those three from Ireland, Given, or Hutton) for Luke Murphy or someone similar.
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Paul Ince is crying out for players at Blackpool. The Fonz and Bannan have both played there on-loan, maybe both parties would be keen. Likely involve us subsidising the bulk of the wages though, I imagine.
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Simple offer Bannan and Nathan, (one of those three from Ireland, Given, or Hutton) for Luke Murphy or someone similar.
Hasn't he just signed for Leeds ?
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Didn't know he left for Leeds. But a young upcoming player in midfielder we need to replace Bannan :)
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Didn't know he left for Leeds. But a young upcoming player in midfielder we need to replace Bannan :)
McEachran or Chalobah!! at chelsea Will Hughes!! or Shaqiri on loan from bayern or Sergi Samper Barcelona loan to replace bannan
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Cool your jets, lad. I'm not sure Bannan needs to be replaced given we already have about fifty midfielders as it is.
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Sorry , but Bannan in my opinion gets a bad rap, his disheveled demeanor does him no favors , there is something there , a little like Maloney .
He works hard , but I am sure once he crossed the line as a young professional the Villa will demonstrate that is not we expect and a poor example
, I think Carruthers had the same warning , then he was rewarded by captaincy ....... after he knuckled down..
The demon drink had may of our heroes , but today is a more testing time for the kids with more money than was ever on offer to Mcgrath and Robson at 21, agents, off the field attractions , only the dedicated succeed .
Lambert will find these people , internally and externally
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Bannon and Delfounso have both had there chances under more than one manager, disappointing that two more juniors couldn't step up.
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Paul Ince is crying out for players at Blackpool. The Fonz and Bannan have both played there on-loan, maybe both parties would be keen. Likely involve us subsidising the bulk of the wages though, I imagine.
I'd pay the remainder of their contracts as long as they give us Ince in return. I suspect that would not reach the previously agreed value of 8m though.
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Lambert probably knows somebody as good as Ince playing in sub-Saharan Africa who he could get for 200 gumbo beans.
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Lambert probably knows somebody as good as Ince playing in sub-Saharan Africa who he could get for 200 gumbo beans.
And the people of the sub-Saharan Africa would say actually he's shit and only worth 50 gumbo beans.
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If i had to pick between Delfouneso and Bowery as a forward i'd pick Delfouneso EVERY single time
I'm not sure why he gets so much flak. Decent player that's never had a proper run in his favoured position. But he certainly looks a better bet than Bowery in front of goal to me. You could say that's not saying a lot, but i think Nathan's got something to offer.
But I was told once that his main problem is a lack of self belief, and that was from folks at Bodymoor
I ran out of patience with Delfouneso, who seemed to have one great season in the Youth /Reserves. I thought it was that he thought he had already made the grade and couldn't be arsed anymore.
I am interested in the view from Bodymoor Heath that you raise. I guess the test of it all will be where he eventually ends up in about 5 years. My personal view is that he will disappear but I hope that I am wrong.
Regarding Bannan. We know that he was taken to one side last year and told he was surplus to requirements. That may have been a shot across the bows. They may want to see him fight for his place.
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Watching Fonz over the years, I've come to the conclusion that whatever talent he has in his boots is being nullified by the shortcomings in his head.
I couldn't say if it's a confidence issue or not, but I saw him come on as a sub for the England U21s a few weeks back, at a point where the side was crying out for a creative spark up front. Someone who would demand the ball and make something happen.
So Nathan came on, hid behind the nearest central defender and stayed there for the rest of the game. I'm not sure he even touched the ball as he seemed determined to never be in a position to receive it. Unless anyone can get in his head and sort him out, he won't make the grade unfortunately.
As for Bannan, from the stories I hear of his social 'activities', he's the classic case of a young man getting too much money too soon. I hope the kick in the nuts he'll get at being dropped by Villa brings him to his senses.
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I wonder, sometimes, whether the Fonz's Villa future would've panned out differently if he'd buried the chances he had at Fulham in TSMs first game.
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I can't believe the Fonz is still with us - surely a Championship club will come in for him soon?
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I hope it is not just a lack of self belief that is holding The Fonz back. I think with a bit of professional help, in the same way we might employ a dietician, and something like a bit of lack of confidence can be trained out. Do we have a head coach? Someone who can get the best mental performance from our players.
I think being a bit of a twat and thinking you are billy big bollocks might be a little more difficult to iron out. So I am far less bothered about what has happened to Bannan.
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I wonder, sometimes, whether the Fonz's Villa future would've panned out differently if he'd buried the chances he had at Fulham in TSMs first game.
Wrong match I think, it was the previous season's match at Fulham when he missed a hatful, under Houllier, Bannan played a blinder, Albrighton scored a cracker , Hangeland scored a last minute equaliser and Fonz missed a hatful.
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Did someone really post that Bowery has 'so much potential' ???
Based on what ?. Certainly nothing he's shown since being at Villa that's for certain
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I wonder, sometimes, whether the Fonz's Villa future would've panned out differently if he'd buried the chances he had at Fulham in TSMs first game.
Wrong match I think, it was the previous season's match at Fulham when he missed a hatful, under Houllier, Bannan played a blinder, Albrighton scored a cracker , Hangeland scored a last minute equaliser and Fonz missed a hatful.
I was behind the bench Houllier was doing his nut at the Fonz for his generally running off the ball and positional sense , it was quite an eye opener
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I would also have Fonz ahead of Bowery at this point. That said, I think we're fine without either going into the new season. Fonz should be sold, Bowery loaned out. I think JB would benefit from playing in the championship. The one thing that worries me about Bowery is that you never ever fancy him to score. No matter the game, whether pre-season or what. When Fonzy first broke through his goals to minutes ratio was actually quite good. He looked quite lively and looked like he could finish, but obviously he's just not had the mentality to really push on and establish himself.
At the moment I'd like to see Burke, Grealish and Carruthers ahead of JB in the pecking order for front 3 spots.
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Bowery looked poor when he came on on Saturday. Offered very little except hustling their centre backs, mostly with his elbows. The chance he had was decent but he reduced it to a header in the general direction of the goal that went yards over.
A loan out at Championship level at best would seem the best option.
Pity about the Fonz. I always thought he would make it as our next local hero.
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I wonder if Lambert sees Bowery as someone who can come on and hold the ball up in games. Maybe that's his long term plan for him because I can't see many goals in him at all.
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I wonder if Lambert sees Bowery as someone who can come on and hold the ball up in games. Maybe that's his long term plan for him because I can't see many goals in him at all.
I agree, and beyond that he seems to pick Benteke to do specialist job and carry out precise instructions.
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I would also have Fonz ahead of Bowery at this point. That said, I think we're fine without either going into the new season. Fonz should be sold, Bowery loaned out. I think JB would benefit from playing in the championship. The one thing that worries me about Bowery is that you never ever fancy him to score. No matter the game, whether pre-season or what. When Fonzy first broke through his goals to minutes ratio was actually quite good. He looked quite lively and looked like he could finish, but obviously he's just not had the mentality to really push on and establish himself.
At the moment I'd like to see Burke, Grealish and Carruthers ahead of JB in the pecking order for front 3 spots.
As cover for Gabby and Weimann's wide positions I think Callum Robinson should be ahead of Carruthers and Burke. Carruthers should be eyeing up playing as the more attacking one of a midfield 3, I don't think he'll make it further forward but he's got a very good chance as an attacking midfielder. Burke I'm not convinced by not big enough to play central and not sharp enough to play wider (both pace and movement). He will probably do a good job as a 10 going forward but I'm not sure he'll get the opportunity with us.
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I wonder, sometimes, whether the Fonz's Villa future would've panned out differently if he'd buried the chances he had at Fulham in TSMs first game.
Wrong match I think, it was the previous season's match at Fulham when he missed a hatful, under Houllier, Bannan played a blinder, Albrighton scored a cracker , Hangeland scored a last minute equaliser and Fonz missed a hatful.
I was behind the bench Houllier was doing his nut at the Fonz for his generally running off the ball and positional sense , it was quite an eye opener
Fulham aways are generally a bit of a blur! I remember a league cup game when he was being constantly yelled at, too.
I seem to recall people who'd watched him through the ranks fair raving about his finishing, but without positional sense and knowing where and when to move off the ball, he'll never live up to his promise up front at top-division level
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Still think Dutch football would suit Barry Bannan to a tee.
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I think the ''what could have been moment" for Fonz was in January 2011 when we drew at Blose. He came on as a sub and swivelled and struck an absolute thunderbolt which had Ben Foster beaten but crashed down off the bar. It was a tight game and that likely would have been the winner. Could have been just the confidence-boost he needed.
O'Neill raved about him like no other youth prospect when he was here. He scored on his debut at 17 in the Europa Cup and had that flair about him on the ball that got you excited. A real pisser all-round that it's fizzled out the way it has for him with us.
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I wonder, sometimes, whether the Fonz's Villa future would've panned out differently if he'd buried the chances he had at Fulham in TSMs first game.
Wrong match I think, it was the previous season's match at Fulham when he missed a hatful, under Houllier, Bannan played a blinder, Albrighton scored a cracker , Hangeland scored a last minute equaliser and Fonz missed a hatful.
The Fonz scored in the next game anyway against Blackpool. He was then dropped for the next game at home to Man. United where Gabby had a stormer and ran their back 4 ragged for 70 minutes. Fonz came on and we barely crossed the halfway line cue the inevitable comeback.
10/11 should've really been his breakthrough season especially as we had a ridiculous number of striker injuries in the first half but he couldn't quite grasp the opportunity and we then signed Bent.
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I wonder if Lambert sees Bowery as someone who can come on and hold the ball up in games. Maybe that's his long term plan for him because I can't see many goals in him at all.
I think we'll just see him against the physical sides again, he did fine at Stoke and o.k against West Ham and at least is another big unit to bring back for set pieces.
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I would also have Fonz ahead of Bowery at this point. That said, I think we're fine without either going into the new season. Fonz should be sold, Bowery loaned out. I think JB would benefit from playing in the championship. The one thing that worries me about Bowery is that you never ever fancy him to score. No matter the game, whether pre-season or what. When Fonzy first broke through his goals to minutes ratio was actually quite good. He looked quite lively and looked like he could finish, but obviously he's just not had the mentality to really push on and establish himself.
At the moment I'd like to see Burke, Grealish and Carruthers ahead of JB in the pecking order for front 3 spots.
As cover for Gabby and Weimann's wide positions I think Callum Robinson should be ahead of Carruthers and Burke. Carruthers should be eyeing up playing as the more attacking one of a midfield 3, I don't think he'll make it further forward but he's got a very good chance as an attacking midfielder. Burke I'm not convinced by not big enough to play central and not sharp enough to play wider (both pace and movement). He will probably do a good job as a 10 going forward but I'm not sure he'll get the opportunity with us.
On tonights showing. I agree. Robinson looked very good. He and Grealish look a bit special. Johnson too looks a lot livelier and industrious in mid than KEA. KEA slows everything down too much. His passes just trickle along the ground and not always with the accuracy you'd expect either. He can't tackle worth shite either.
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Delfouneso has signed for Blackpool on a permanent one year deal.
They now have twelve players.
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He must have been on loan there at least three times in the last few years.
Can't see him scoring that many in their inevitable relegation season tbh. On the downside one less relegation spot for SHA to worry about.
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The catch this time is that he's going to play in goal.
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Delfouneso has signed for Blackpool on a permanent one year deal.
Doesn't sound that permanent to me (whistley emoticon)
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Good luck to Fonz he will need it at Blackpool :-X
Thought he was a decent sub for us and had promise, but over the years his chances have just tried up. I think there is talent there, but right now the Championship is the right level for him.
Bannan isn't bad, but wouldn't have him in the Villa team right now. He needs to settle at a club for awhile instead of floating about.
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I wish Delfouneso all the best and hope the permanent deal (although it is only 1 year) gives him the confidence to play to his potential. He has the talent but seems to lack self belief.
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He could always double up on one of the piers in the summer in Happy Days!