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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2013, 10:52:38 AM
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3220055,00.html
Villa have completed the first phase of goalline technology installation in B6.
Working alongside British-based company Hawk-Eye, IT chiefs have overseen the addition of fourteen cameras and extensive cabling on the various stands across the stadium.
There will be seven cameras trained on the North Stand goal and seven cameras on the Holte End goal.
The work was completed in four days with the second phase comprising extensive testing scheduled in mid-late July when the Villa Park pitch is laid-out in readiness for the start of the season.
Hawk-Eye is known for providing tennis and cricket with ball-tracking technology.
Its football system - using high frame rate cameras in order to find the ball when it is close to the goal - detects if the ball has crossed the goalline via a triangulation signal which is then sent to the referee's watch within one second from a Broadcast Truck on-site.
Hawk-Eye says its system is "millimetre accurate, ensuring no broadcast replays could disprove the decision".
The video footage of each incident can also be used on the big screens at Villa Park and also for replay purposes on shows such as BBC's Match of the Day and Sky's Football First as well as AVTV's post-match highlights package.
The continued use of Hawk-Eye in B6 will be overseen by the company's skilled staff.
As background, the Premier League voted to introduce goalline technology from the 2013-14 season.
Top-flight clubs voted to adopt the system during a meeting of the 20 Premier League chairmen.
Hawk-Eye were awarded the contract to provide the system.
Nick Finney, Multimedia Operations Manager, said: "We have worked very closely with Hawk-Eye since the Premier League decision to introduce goalline technology for the coming season.
"All cameras have now been installed in the ground so what's left is testing by a third party to verify the workings of the state-of-the-art technology within B6.
"We're happy that this will be signed-off and the new system will be fully-operational by the time Liverpool visit on August 24."
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About time for this. I think it will add a bit of extra fun to the day, as long as it never goes against us of course.
Seriously, this is needed. With the amount of cash involved in relegation- Title winning etc there has to be no doubt if a goal is a goal or not. A good move forward.
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About time for this. I think it will add a bit of extra fun to the day, as long as it never goes against us of course.
Seriously, this is needed. With the amount of cash involved in relegation- Title winning etc there has to be no doubt if a goal is a goal or not. A good move forward.
Indeed !
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It's a joke that they do something like this but have nothing in place to rule on offside goals like the , er, three at Old Trafford and , of course, the continuing scar on the game of diving.
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Do you think it would be possible to use this to stamp out diving? It would slow the game down something rotten, nut could be hilarious when Bale et al take flight!
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Would love to see them cut diving out but think the only way to do it is to impose retrospective replays followed by 3-game bans
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Diving would be eradicated by making it a straight red card
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They should be made to wear a big with 'cheat' written on it for three games.
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It's a joke that they do something like this but have nothing in place to rule on offside goals like the , er, three at Old Trafford and , of course, the continuing scar on the game of diving.
Good. I don't want the game halted by some incident every 5 minutes, nor do I want a robot for a referee.
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Kind of serious question.......
Presumably the stuff is installed and calibrated for where the goals are now. What if we move them? I don't mean down the road or anything, but for example, weren't Stoke moving their goals for European games a couple of seasons ago? How can you guarantee you move it back to the exact same spot again? Do Hawkeye send technicians out to calibrate the system before every game?
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Kind of serious question.......
Presumably the stuff is installed and calibrated for where the goals are now. What if we move them? I don't mean down the road or anything, but for example, weren't Stoke moving their goals for European games a couple of seasons ago? How can you guarantee you move it back to the exact same spot again? Do Hawkeye send technicians out to calibrate the system before every game?
Well the rules have changed in the Prem to mean that Stoke have to have a proper-sized pitch now and not just in European games I believe. So they shouldn't change pitch size.
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Kind of serious question.......
Presumably the stuff is installed and calibrated for where the goals are now. What if we move them? I don't mean down the road or anything, but for example, weren't Stoke moving their goals for European games a couple of seasons ago? How can you guarantee you move it back to the exact same spot again? Do Hawkeye send technicians out to calibrate the system before every game?
They didn't move the goals. Just moved in the touchlines.
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And how are we to believe the calibration at Old Trafford?
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And how are we to believe the calibration at Old Trafford?
Fergie's left so no longer an issue ;)
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It's a joke that they do something like this but have nothing in place to rule on offside goals like the , er, three at Old Trafford and , of course, the continuing scar on the game of diving.
Good. I don't want the game halted by some incident every 5 minutes, nor do I want a robot for a referee.
This, I personally would not be in favour of any form of technology being introduced.
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Good. A step in the right direction. Would also like the technology to include lasers to shoot down Phil "Complete Bastard*" Dowd, hopefully next season.
* no, I couldn't be arsed to think of a witty nickname.
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It's a joke that they do something like this but have nothing in place to rule on offside goals like the , er, three at Old Trafford and , of course, the continuing scar on the game of diving.
Good. I don't want the game halted by some incident every 5 minutes, nor do I want a robot for a referee.
This, I personally would not be in favour of any form of technology being introduced.
Pair of Luddites.
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Kind of serious question.......
Presumably the stuff is installed and calibrated for where the goals are now. What if we move them? I don't mean down the road or anything, but for example, weren't Stoke moving their goals for European games a couple of seasons ago? How can you guarantee you move it back to the exact same spot again? Do Hawkeye send technicians out to calibrate the system before every game?
Given that all grounds and stands are different I imagine the kit works by detecting the goal line based on the goal posts - for every ground the distances and angles between the cameras and goals will be different and it would be a complete ballache to have to individually calibrate each one, whereas getting a camera and computer to pick out a goalmouth from any image would be a piece of cake.
If it works that way, moving the goal posts shouldn't make a difference, although as has been pointed out already, all Premier League pitches are now required to be identical and are a size which is compliant with UEFA so there's no reason to move them any more.
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And how are we to believe the calibration at Old Trafford?
It will take 8 minutes to transmit the message to the ref.
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About time for this. I think it will add a bit of extra fun to the day, as long as it never goes against us of course.
Seriously, this is needed. With the amount of cash involved in relegation- Title winning etc there has to be no doubt if a goal is a goal or not. A good move forward.
Tail wagging the dog there. Once money becomes the motivation then all hope for the game is lost. There are far more damaging elements in football than the extremely rare instances of whether or not the ball crossed the line. When's the last time there was one in one of our games? Struggling to think of one other than Les Sealey v Sheffield Wednesday and that was 20+ years ago though I'm surethere must be a more recent example.
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About time for this. I think it will add a bit of extra fun to the day, as long as it never goes against us of course.
Seriously, this is needed. With the amount of cash involved in relegation- Title winning etc there has to be no doubt if a goal is a goal or not. A good move forward.
Tail wagging the dog there. Once money becomes the motivation then all hope for the game is lost. There are far more damaging elements in football than the extremely rare instances of whether or not the ball crossed the line. When's the last time there was one in one of our games? Struggling to think of one other than Les Sealey v Sheffield Wednesday and that was 20+ years ago though I'm surethere must be a more recent example.
Dippers at VP this year.
The one that sticks in my mid was WBA a few years ago, the Ollie header that went in, came back out and wasn't given.
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Struggling to think of one other than Les Sealey v Sheffield Wednesday and that was 20+ years ago though I'm surethere must be a more recent example.
Chelsea - where Westwood looking to have cleared the ball from just behind the line but no goal was given.
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Thank you PWS and Dave for highlighting just how shot my short term memory is.
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Sad that I immediately thought of West Brom away and Chelsea at home.
Didn't we score one years ago against Spurzzz that wasn't given? Mabbutt may have cleared it from just over.
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The "Oh, we haven't got time to check whether the goal was offside, we've got to get on with the game," is pure bullshit. Check the next time you see a team score a goal, and note that there is up to a minute's gap before the game restarts. Plenty of time to ask someone with access to technology -that's right, the same technology used every week to slag the officials off when they get it wrong -whether the goal was 'good' before we proceed. Time lost? Minimal.
As for diving, I would suggest modifying the existing laws on violent conduct, not seen by the ref but caught on camera. In a case where a player blatantly dived to gain an advantage, beyond the argument even of a Nigel Adkins, the player concerned would receive an automatic one-match ban. Future transgressions of the same nature by the same player would see the ban doubled on each subsequent occasion.
The problem would soon sort itself out.
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Agree on both counts, Dave. I'm not sure Man Utd would agree though. Speaking of the Plastics, can I add any player giving the ref the verbals should automatically be booked too. Some teams must train every week on bullying the ref.
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Where has this business about all pitches in Premier league being the same size come from?
This link gives the sizes at the start of 2012/13 season and they are different.
http://www.openplay.co.uk/blog/premiership-football-pitch-sizes-2012-2013/
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I always thought when it came to pitches that there was a minimum and maximum limit and you could have anything within those.
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I always thought when it came to pitches that there was a minimum and maximum limit and you could have anything within those.
According to FA Rules that is the case.
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I think the English rules allowed a greater degree of flexibility than in Europe until last year, when the Premier League's rules were changed to match UEFA's. Good thing I reckon if it benefits football teams and hinders shite like Stoke.
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Where has this business about all pitches in Premier league being the same size come from?
This link gives the sizes at the start of 2012/13 season and they are different.
http://www.openplay.co.uk/blog/premiership-football-pitch-sizes-2012-2013/
It's in the Premier League Handbook - Here (http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2012-2013.pdf)
Go to page 129, section K.21.
I believe UEFA still allow a range of sizes but it's more restrictive than the FA's.
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I think the English rules allowed a greater degree of flexibility than in Europe until last year, when the Premier League's rules were changed to match UEFA's. Good thing I reckon if it benefits football teams and hinders shite like Stoke.
The Premier League's are now more restrictive than UEFA.
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Villa Park is currently undergoing changes as the stadium gets set to fall in line with new Premier League broadcast guidelines.
B6 will now boast forty-one camera positions - an increase of eleven - for the upcoming 2013-14 term.
That adds up to thirty-three standard points and eight of 3D capabilities as well as 120 new cables, totalling 24km in length.
As well as that, the broadcast studio often used to host programmes such as Sky Sports Super Sunday and boasting pundits like Graeme Souness, Jamie Redknapp and Dwight Yorke will be moving.
It is currently located in the building between the Holte End and Doug Ellis, underneath the control room which monitors antisocial behaviour on a matchday.
But Doug Ellis Boxes 1, 2 and 3 are currently being ripped out and transformed into two sparkling broadcast studios - one for the host broadcaster of each particular game and the other for specified broadcasters from abroad.
In addition, the area around the tunnel will also include seven pitchside broadcast positions to cater for the new style of presenting made famous by the likes of ITV Sport, with pundits like Adrian Childs, Marcel Desailly, Roy Keane and Gareth Southgate giving their opinion in the open air.
The press and photography rooms are also being equipped with dedicated wired internet connection, meaning no need to connect remotely to the Wi-Fi system.
Nick Finney, Multimedia Operations Manager, said: "It's a big undertaking but an important one. These changes ensure that all top-flight clubs are uniform in what they provide to the media.
"Regardless of what ground you go to, whether it be Villa Park, Old Trafford or KC Stadium, broadcasters, reporters and photographers will know that facilities are the same.
"It is extensive and can only be good for coverage of the top-flight worldwide."
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Where has this business about all pitches in Premier league being the same size come from?
This link gives the sizes at the start of 2012/13 season and they are different.
http://www.openplay.co.uk/blog/premiership-football-pitch-sizes-2012-2013/
It's in the Premier League Handbook - Here (http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2012-2013.pdf)
Go to page 129, section K.21.
I believe UEFA still allow a range of sizes but it's more restrictive than the FA's.
Thanks - so unless a club is promoted and the ground infrastructure prevents it they all have to be the same. Thanks Ad@m.