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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2013, 09:21:16 PM
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Could be for the start of the season, could be longer.
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Probably did his back picking up a a cheque for a months none activity that we would have to work 2 or 3 years for,
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A shame. Became useful second half of the season and seemed to be happy with his role in the squad knowing he could be called upon and be effective. Goal against West Ham could arguably have been the most important of the entire season, so I cut him some slack for that.
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A shame. Became useful second half of the season and seemed to be happy with his role in the squad knowing he could be called upon and be effective. Goal against West Ham could arguably have been the most important of the entire season, so I cut him some slack for that.
Me too. He was excellent against WBA aswell and also Fulham at home although typically for him that performance divided opinion on here.
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Not good news. I think he could've done well next season. Hope it's not too serious.
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Good luck in your recovery Charlie. Became an important role player towards the end of the season and chipped in with a couple of important goals. Accepted his place in the squad under Lambert which is a big change to the attitude we thought he had.
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I hope he get's well soon.
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So he may miss the start of the season or may not; may miss the first month; or may be out longer.
That's precise!
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Maybe he fell over trying to shoot with his right foot rather than cutting in to use his left. Harsh? Probably. True? Yep
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Would have thought that means we won't be selling him this summer.
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
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"unspecified injury". That could quite literally be anything.
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Frustrating in as much as we probably won't be able to flog him now. I don't think he offers anywhere close to enough for his wage. Plus when he has played, even in his better games, our shape didn't look right. We seemed more like a 4-2-4. Okay that's down to Lambert not sacrificing one of Gab or Andy, but still, I can't see where he fits into Lamberts game plan in all honesty. He doesn't work hard enough to play one of the wide roles. Playing off the striker means fiddling with our system or sacrificing one of our CM players. We look far better when we play 3 in the mid, with Sylla, Delph and Westy.
He's one of our few sellable, and expendable assets. 5 mill for him and 50k a week saved on wages could have got to 2-3 Lambert specials. Looks as if we'll have to wait till Jan to flog him in all honesty, unless he's fit by late August. In which case he's that sort of player you could see going to somewhere like Hull, Fulham, West Ham etc on deadline day.
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"unspecified injury". That could quite literally be anything.
Think tendons.
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CNZ is fortunate that Stephen Ireland exists otherwise he would justifiably be getting a lot of grief for being an (the) under-performing money grabbing not-often-do-well.
Ooo Eck signed so fair dos not going to fit in to a 7-2-1 formation as one of the seven but he had a lot of chances last season to be the main man and was woeful.
A waste of space at Villa. Heal quickly Charlie so we can ship you on.
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"unspecified injury". That could quite literally be anything.
Think tendons.
Any particular ones
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Showed signs second half of last season that he is a player. Still not shown enough to justify his fee or wages yet mind.
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"unspecified injury". That could quite literally be anything.
Think tendons.
Any particular ones
He has been seen in the USA on crutches, so knee or ankle most likely.
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Next season's Richard Dunne?
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"unspecified injury". That could quite literally be anything.
Think tendons.
Any particular ones
He has been seen in the USA on crutches, so knee or ankle most likely.
Possibly had an op to remove splinters from arse ?
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Do we still have to pay his wages if it was his fault like when DanLanza sliced his toe on a tile the other day?
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Do we still have to pay his wages if it was his fault like when DanLanza sliced his toe on a tile the other day?
Why are we paying DanLanza's wages?
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Cue an Andrew Castle "claims for you" type ad
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
How about that it actually might be an accident and you don't revel in it.
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
How about that it actually might be an accident and you don't revel in it.
I doubt that we've just signed five players and counting. Some need to leave, he's injured himself now till allegedly after the window closes how convenient.
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
How about that it actually might be an accident and you don't revel in it.
I doubt that we've just signed five players and counting. Some need to leave, he's injured himself now till allegedly after the window closes how convenient.
You think he deliberately injured himself so he could stay?
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
How about that it actually might be an accident and you don't revel in it.
I doubt that we've just signed five players and counting. Some need to leave, he's injured himself now till allegedly after the window closes how convenient.
You think he deliberately injured himself so he could stay?
He's got a picture on his twitter throwing hand signs with a grown man called Baby, I wouldn't put it past him tbh.
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
How about that it actually might be an accident and you don't revel in it.
I doubt that we've just signed five players and counting. Some need to leave, he's injured himself now till allegedly after the window closes how convenient.
What you have suggested is so ridiculous it defies belief. Yes, I can just imagine he woke up in the morning and decided to blow out some ligaments or tendons so he can remain at the club. That might be the most ludicrous conspiracy theory of all time.
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
How about that it actually might be an accident and you don't revel in it.
I doubt that we've just signed five players and counting. Some need to leave, he's injured himself now till allegedly after the window closes how convenient.
What you have suggested is so ridiculous it defies belief. Yes, I can just imagine he woke up in the morning and decided to blow out some ligaments or tendons so he can remain at the club. That might be the most ludicrous conspiracy theory of all time.
I'm sure danlanza could find a better one.
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I think he'd be quite keen to leave so this would be a blow for him as much as it is for us.
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It's probably hypothermia, he was out for a night on the town and ended up collapsed in the gutter after 90minutes of wandering down blind alleys, his friends tried to show him where to go but he didn't seem to notice anyone else was around.
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Didn't the Zog tweet a receipt pic of a grand worth of booze bar-bill when on hols the summer he joined-us? Nice pre-empting of his signing-on fee.
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So he sits here happy owning a fortune
Seems convenient , when he can see that the other mickey takers are falling by the wayside .
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He's under contract. He doesn't have to injure himself to pick up his wages.
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Maybe he watched Richard dinner and Steven Ireland do sweet fuck all ,maybe Habib be ye .
Injured no preseason training .
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Maybe he watched Richard dinner and Steven Ireland do sweet fuck all ,maybe Habib be ye .
Injured no preseason training .
Seriously this is unfortunate. Charles could benefit from a lot of conditioning training. Its got to the point where even if he plays a good game he cannot last more than 45 minutes. I understand being used as a sub has impacted him a lot but... really he is out of shape.
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What an idiot. He always makes the wrong decision 90% of the time when playing. Looks like he made the wrong one again. I'm guessing he misjudged the step when getting into the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder.
How about that it actually might be an accident and you don't revel in it.
I doubt that we've just signed five players and counting. Some need to leave, he's injured himself now till allegedly after the window closes how convenient.
You think he deliberately injured himself so he could stay?
That's the kind of commitment we need. Never mind signing a new contract Chris, tread on a roller-skate.
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99.9% of footballers want to play football. It is all they have done since being a kid. That includes non professionals too. Being injured is a nightmare and frustrating and I should imagine he is absolutely gutted.
All the best Charles.
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If it is tendons then unless we know exactly what the problem is in my experience it can be anything from a week or two up to my longest lay-off with tendons which was 8 months. it was just an innocuous stretch for a ball, a pop in the knee and chronic tendon strain and that was it. Frustrating.
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Has been a total waste of space and wages since we signed him! Another one who will look back on his career and say "IF ONLY"
He will be even fatter now.
Shame he is injured I was hoping he would be gone in the summer.
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Can't say i'm a massive fan of him to be honest but that's a shame for the bloke.
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Can't say i'm a massive fan of him to be honest but that's a shame for the bloke.
This, exactly.
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Shame for him and for PL's pre-season plans which may well have involved moving him on. So - he misses the start of the season, then gets 2 or 3 months to shape up and prove his worth or get shipped out in January
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Shame for him and for PL's pre-season plans which may well have involved moving him on. So - he misses the start of the season, then gets 2 or 3 months to shape up and prove his worth or get shipped out in January
Depends on the injury, if it's Tendons as suggested he might not be fit before the end of the January window, they really can be anything from a few weeks to 8-9months depending on exactly what has happened.
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I kind of expected CNZ to step up this season to prove himself, given the new signings and the competition for places, so I feel a bit sorry for him.
Those who think he's got injured on purpose, seriously what planet have you just come from?? That's an absurd and stupid thing to think.
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It's probably hypothermia, he was out for a night on the town and ended up collapsed in the gutter after 90minutes of wandering down blind alleys, his friends tried to show him where to go but he didn't seem to notice anyone else was around.
Very good, very funny.
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I like him as an impact sub. I know his wages are a consideration, but whilst not wanting to go back to the MON days when big money signings on high wages were totally out of the picture, I think we should be happy to pay if players are going to be in the match day eighteen.
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Another crap signing to be filed in the bin marked "waste of time, effort and money" alongside Ireland, Curcic, Balaban etc.
Over the years I hate to imagine how much cash we have squandered on time wasters.
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Of course, this could be an injury sustained whilst trying to keep himself fit in his spare time in preparation for pre-season training. The players are contracted not to turn up for pre-season badly out of shape. Dunne was fined for such was he not?
It's not un-common for players to be seen keeping fit in their 'off-season'. A lot of people having a pop could have the wrong end of the stick. His attitude last season appeared to be much better than the year before.
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Didn't the Zog tweet a receipt pic of a grand worth of booze bar-bill when on hols the summer he joined-us? Nice pre-empting of his signing-on fee.
I've heard a few stories about his boozing exploits in the Arcadian. Ordering crates of champers.
I actually thought he would be a good player as always looked ok for Newcastle. A few decent performances last year but not good enough IMO.
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My thoughts on Charlie have always been that he looks good as an individual but not as part of the team. He's a great example of a player you can see youtube clips on and think he's amazing but the reality is far less impressive. I'm surprised he didn't do well under TSM though as he's perfect for that style of game. 4411 with him being in the hole with no responsibility other than to make things happen.
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Didn't the Zog tweet a receipt pic of a grand worth of booze bar-bill when on hols the summer he joined-us? Nice pre-empting of his signing-on fee.
I've heard a few stories about his boozing exploits in the Arcadian. Ordering crates of champers.
I actually thought he would be a good player as always looked ok for Newcastle. A few decent performances last year but not good enough IMO.
Living up to the title "Champagne Charlie" then
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Makes it hard to shift him off the wage bill if not fit by the deadline , i doubt he would have made the starting line up in August so from a playing side its no great loss to us.
Strange player, clearly has the ability but not delivered anywhere near enough considering his wage and transfer fee.
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Annoying. Hard to know what to make it all until we know exact injury, length of time out.
Still think CNZ has something to offer us. His problem is, he's best (IMO) either wide left or right, in those roles occupied by Gabby and Weimann. And those two will be hard to shift.
Tonev's chances of getting some decent game time have just increased significantly.
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Annoying. Hard to know what to make it all until we know exact injury, length of time out.
Still think CNZ has something to offer us. His problem is, he's best (IMO) either wide left or right, in those roles occupied by Gabby and Weimann. And those two will be hard to shift.
Tonev's chances of getting some decent game time have just increased significantly.
Disagree - he is a big time Charlie, not a team player and his vision and decision making are poor. He is also on a big fat contract which he doesn't earn.
He can go to Hull or Palace and be a big fish in a small pond.
Move on - nothing more to see here.
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Never get the impression he's a big time Charlie, not at all. What's he done to demonstrate that, while he's been playing for Villa? He hasn't been a consistent performer, I agree, but that's what you get sometimes with attacking players. He drifts in and out of games a bit, as many winger types tend to do. But I don't see an attitude problem, a refusal to play, any evidence of falling out with the manager.
As for the salary.... he's one of many, many, many PL footballers who earn too much money. Far inferior players than him earn as much, if not more. I can't use that as a stick to beat him with. It's the way it is.
Didn't see him as a starter next season but a more than useful option from the bench, or for certain matches. Shame if he'll be unavailable for months.
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I have no idea where he comes across as a big time Charlie. I'd like to see some evidence of that. He's played for Newcastle, Wigan and us in the PL, so he obviously wasn't above moving to mid lower or mid table size clubs. As for his contract, is it his fault that's what was offered, or should he have told us "you know what I don't want to come across as a big time Charlie so give me less".
Nobody on the planet in any profession ever turns down a salary offer for less.
And for those of you who think he caused himself a serious injury to avoid being sold. You are utterly fucking bonkers.
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I have no idea where he comes across as a big time Charlie. I'd like to see some evidence of that. He's played for Newcastle, Wigan and us in the PL, so he obviously wasn't above moving to mid lower or mid table size clubs. As for his contract, is it his fault that's what was offered, or should he have told us "you know what I don't want to come across as a big time Charlie so give me less".
Nobody on the planet in any profession ever turns down a salary offer for less.
And for those of you who think he caused himself a serious injury to avoid being sold. You are utterly fucking bonkers.
2 seasons of non performances - sometime wholly abject - helped form my opinion. Someone sited a lack of stamina which doesn't suggest a wholly professional approach to fitness.
He is lucky we have a complete twunt in Ireland still here & Bannan to a lesser extent or else he would have been the recipient of much more stick.
To clarify he isn't a big time Charlie because he is receiving stupid money I'd just rather some mug punters from another club were paying said money to him.
And I never suggested he deliberately injured himself as have no access to his innermost thoughts and/or didn't see the incident. Just hope we have a decent insurance policy to cover his some of his wages.
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He had something of a reputation for being a bit of a moody sod at Newcastle I recall. Possibly Wigan. I don't think he worked hard enough last year. Never looked really interested. His effort increased under Lambert I'll give him that, but he still offered not nearly enough. A handful of okay performances around Jan-Feb time aren't enough to justify a 9.5 mill player on 50k a week (at least).
Don't think his type of game will suit our style. He's too much of an individual and unless he's gonna score 10 goals a season, which was his best at Wigan, there's no point in him.
I'd also agree that he didn't seem fit enough for us either. He used to have pace to burn but he looked a couple of yards short of his full speed last season. Sometimes I'd expect him to roast a fullback but in comparison to his pomp at Wigan, he seemed like he was wading through treacle sometimes.
I think Lambert would be looking to sell him. We have few players we can cash in on, who we'd want to lose. We won't get much for some of our younger lot like Bannan, or for Holman. Zog we could probably get 4-5 million for from someone. And again, that would be enough to fund a couple of new players who fit the Lambert critieria, and still save on wages.
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Won a penalty and scored a great free kick to kick start our run in v West Ham so I will cut him some slack.
He is a an edge of you seat player as he runs at the opposition. Doesn't always come off but he makes things happen. I still think he is a player worth persisting with and I'm hoping Lambert still wants to work with him.
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Won a penalty and scored a great free kick to kick start our run in v West Ham so I will cut him some slack.
He is a an edge of you seat player as he runs at the opposition. Doesn't always come off but he makes things happen. I still think he is a player worth persisting with and I'm hoping Lambert still wants to work with him.
I think he's a great option to have coming off the bench or depending on the opposition. It's taken us the best part of 2 years to figure out that his best position is behind the center forward in a central roll. Okay, because of the form of the current front 3 his chances are limited but a dip in form from any of them or when we need a change he's the ideal player to come on and offer something different.
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Was quite happy when he signed but he has failed to live up to the price tag.
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Can't say NZogbia ha sever ha dme on the edge of my seat. More head in hands than anything.
He scored all of three league goals last season and played a part in a couple of others. Lowton probably made a greater attacking contribution.
In fact I'd back Bennett to do better in the position NZogbia was played in. He'd probably put a few tackles in too.
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Can't say NZogbia ha sever ha dme on the edge of my seat. More head in hands than anything.
He scored all of three league goals last season and played a part in a couple of others. Lowton probably made a greater attacking contribution.
In fact I'd back Bennett to do better in the position NZogbia was played in. He'd probably put a few tackles in too.
Agree - far too expensive a luxury to have on the bench. An expensive punt and another who was given a 5 year contract by the dullards in charge at the time.
Ship on if we can get half what we paid for. He should have contributed far far more than he has done.
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As I say, didn't see him as a starter next season as Lambert clearly doesn't rate him enough to start him regularly. Which is probably about right. He plays in fits and starts, capable of something special (won that game for us v West Ham, wonderfully taken goal v Fulham) but fades too much.
If someone offered us a decent proportion of the £10m we paid for him back, all things considered, I think we would and should sell, with Helenius, Tonev and Bacuna joining, and Albrighton hopefully fit again. The worst outcome for us if to have him on crutches for months though, so we get neither the benefit of his cameos from the bench, nor £££ coming back into the club. Which is what appears to have happened. Which disappoints me the most.
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from the beeb
Aston Villa's Charles N'Zogbia suffers an Achilles tendon injury while keeping fit on holiday in Miami.
The 27-year-old attacking midfielder underwent surgery in the US and will return to Birmingham next week to continue his rehabilitation programme.
Roddy MacDonald, the club's head of sport and exercise medicine, has travelled to the US to be with N'Zogbia and will accompany him back to the UK.
"The priority is to ensure that Charles receives the very best care and he has done and will continue to do so throughout his recovery period," Villa manager Paul Lambert told the club website.
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Shit. That's most of his season done, if he's ruptured it. And an op sounds like he has.
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Shit. That's most of his season done, if he's ruptured it. And an op sounds like he has.
Shame, as sold he could have been.
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Shit. That's most of his season done, if he's ruptured it. And an op sounds like he has.
Surely six months absolute tops which means he should be fit around Christmas. The great Curtis Davies was out around that length of time when he did the same injury whilst our player.
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I think in his head he wants to play up front, sort of like Gareth Bale/Ronaldo.
He's always going to suffer in comparison to A Young, because for all his diving, over hit crosses
and general facelikeasmackedarse Young always worked hard to win the ball back.
Its a nice weapon to have, being able to send on the Zog when we're chasing the game.
But like Bent he's a very expensive player to have, just as an impact sub.
Hopefully we'll see him back fit soon.
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Another crap signing to be filed in the bin marked "waste of time, effort and money" alongside Ireland, Curcic, Balaban etc.
Over the years I hate to imagine how much cash we have squandered on time wasters.
WhaAnother crap signing to be filed in the bin marked "waste of time, effort and money" alongside Ireland, Curcic, Balaban etc.
Over the years I hate to imagine how much cash we have squandered on time wasters.
What happens when he signs for Everton?
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Another crap signing to be filed in the bin marked "waste of time, effort and money" alongside Ireland, Curcic, Balaban etc.
Over the years I hate to imagine how much cash we have squandered on time wasters.
Every club has made signings they wish they could do over. Where we have wasted our fair share, there are numerous clubs that have spent way more in fees and wages than us. It's shit I grant you but we will have dud signings in the future to.
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Havent read the thread, but have to say I had high hopes when N'Zogbia signed and he actually did ok last season for us IMO, not good enough but massive improvement on first season
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He's shit, move on.
Sorry to be so blunt.
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I think in his head he wants to play up front, sort of like Gareth Bale/Ronaldo.
Yep, I think he sees himself as playing that "number 10 role" and isn't really interested in playing anywhere else. I still think his best position would be wide right in a three up front formation, but he doesn't seem to want to play out wide and his effort levels drop when he's moved out there. All in all, a bit of a luxury player who doesn't work hard enough off the ball and isn't really enough of a match winner to warrant being carried by the rest of the team.
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He's shit, move on.
Sorry to be so blunt.
I think he is far from shit
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For £10m he's been desperately disappointing.
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He has been disappointing Eamonn, but he is not shit. He didnt join the noses cos of McLeish, it was a worry when he joined Villa and true to form, N'Zog was right in worrying that he would not let him express himself. I think he has done okay under Lambert, but agree he does not justify his alleged 60k figure especially when we are now begging Benteke to sign something like 40k, ffs get a grip, even if we pay Benteke 100k for another year, that is an extra 3 million, he will be worth far more than that after his world cup. He is a world beater
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He's not shit, far from it. The nadir of our season, away at Millwall and Bradford, he was the one player not afraid to get the ball and look to do something with it. I forgive the blind alleys and impetuousness he shows, there's quality there. Fantastic free kick against West Ham, wonderful trap and shot for his goal at Blackburn last season. Very unlucky to hit the bar with a thunderbolt against Newcastle when Cabaye had scored with a similar shot moments before (or was it after?). He just hasn't shown enough of that quality. Like Ireland, it's in him but for whatever reason it doesn't come out enough.
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Still think Lambert can get more out of him. Anyway, get well soon Charlie.
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Charlie Can't Surf.
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Charlie Can't Surf.
Bad taste. That's a serious injury. Can't see the funny side myself.
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There's certainly a player in there but we've only seen him in fits and starts. He's certainly nowhere near the level of general uselessness of Steven Ireland, I hope he makes a full recovery from the op.
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We need an alternative to him in the squad now. Is this Popov similar?
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He's shit, move on.
Sorry to be so blunt.
I think he is far from shit
Yep, he could only dream of being as good as shit. ;)
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That doesn't sound good with the injury. I've known a coupla of people who had it and it takes a while to recover from. 6 months if he's lucky. Even then once it's fully healed he's got to get back into serious training. I don't see him being full fit for another 1-2 months after full recovery. That said, I don't think he's in Lambo's plans anyhow. We may see him leave for next to nothing next summer.
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Charlie Can't Surf.
Bad taste. That's a serious injury. Can't see the funny side myself.
Someone's woken up in a shitty mood this morning... pass me my #7 handbag...the big one with the metal clasp.
I'm glad we signed Tonev and Helenius before this happened, you get the feeling Charlie was one of the players earmarked for the off and we might not have got both in if Randy knew he'd still be on our books.
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He's shit, move on.
Sorry to be so blunt.
I think he is far from shit
Posting after a few drinks is never very smart, so maybe I overstated it. But, when I made the comment I was referring to his attitude and overall impact on games: he may be a fantastic footballer, but his output is rubbish.
In fact, even at Wigan and Barcodes his overall output was pretty limited (bar one half-season at Wigan).
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Charlie Can't Surf.
Bad taste. That's a serious injury. Can't see the funny side myself.
In the interest of balance I think "Charlie can't surf" is pretty funny. It also goes without saying I obviously wish Charlie a full and speedy recovery
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I don't think he's been shit either, but he hasn't been worth 10m that's for sure. Then again he didn't put that fee on his own head
Last season when he actually started to shine he got dropped which must've been a kick in the teeth for the lad. The fact we improved without him was down to the system change as much as anything i reckon
He can still be a match winner i'm sure
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Charlie Can't Surf.
Bad taste. That's a serious injury. Can't see the funny side myself.
Bloody hell, he's not going to die! He'll still be raking in thousands a week and will play again before the season is out, lighten up.
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I'm obviously going against popular opinion, but I hope he gets fit and available as soon as possible.
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I havent read comments, but hope he gets fit asap as is a talented player, albeit inconsistent one
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Could be for the start of the season, could be longer.
In other positive news, Zog is getting better. He may not be in Germany (injury) but he will be bouncing on the side of the pitch, warming up, when Villa start next season.
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Is there some news about him Lou? He's a mate of Benteke's isn't he? Might look even moodier once he goes.
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Can't have been his Achilles done if he's going to be back that quick?
Just said in another thread I didn't expect him back until December so looking a bit silly!
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Sorry didn't mean to lead anybody astray. Forgot the nature of the injury and thought he'd be ready for September. However, he is a secret weapon ready to be unleashed ...a bit later on.
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Ruptured achilles, if it was that as reported, is at least a year.
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Oh.
It's difficult to say. Curtis Davies did his at Arsenal in March 2008 and actually played in the first game of the next season.
That was an exceptionally quick recovery and that was five months so difficult to see him playing before xmas imo.
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I'm obviously going against popular opinion, but I hope he gets fit and available as soon as possible.
Same here. He could shine next season. Shown signs of his potential last season. Got loads left in his preverbial locker yet.