Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 06:47:13 PM
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Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall, Jean II Makoun and Simon Dawkins head the list of players leaving Villa.
Dunne, Lichaj and Marshall are all at the end of their contracts and have been released.
Makoun is set to be signed by Rennes after the Ligue 1 side took up the option to buy him.
Dawkins, on loan since January from Tottenham, will return to his parent club after the completion of his five-month deal.
Alan Hutton returns to Villa after finishing his spells at Real Mallorca. *cries*
The contracts of Graham Burke, Derrick Williams, Michael Drennan, Samir Carruthers and Daniel Johnson are set to expire but all five have been offered extensions.
Please find our official first-team retained list below:
Gabby Agbonlahor
Marc Albrighton
Nathan Baker
Barry Bannan
Joe Bennett
Darren Bent
Christian Benteke
Jordan Bowery
Samir Carruthers
Ciaran Clark
Nathan Delfouneso
Fabian Delph
Karim El Ahmadi
Gary Gardner
Shay Given
Brad Guzan
Chris Herd
Brett Holman
Alan Hutton *cries again*
Stephen Ireland *sobs uncontrollably*
Matt Lowton
Charles N'Zogbia
Benjamin Siegrist
Enda Stevens
Yacouba Sylla
Ron Vlaar
Andreas Weimann
Ashley Westwood
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Lichaj hasn't been retained.
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Stephen Ireland >:(
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Lichaj hasn't been retained.
I took it from the OS. Smeg knows why in an announcement saying he is leaving they left him in the current squad list.
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Regarding Hutton, is there any hope for redemption?
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Lichaj hasn't been retained.
I took it from the OS. Smeg knows why in an announcement saying he is leaving they left him in the current squad list.
It's good professional stuff!
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Regarding Hutton, is there any hope for redemption?
We can only beg the footballing God's forgiveness for employing him.
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Regarding Hutton, is there any hope for redemption?
Yes, as long as he finds another club.
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The reason Hutton and Ireland are still there is so we can get get money from their transfers, it's not like they're getting back into the team.
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I cannot for the life of me imagine Ireland and Hutton being here come the end of August. They have been told in no uncertain terms they are no longer part of the club. Bent and Given will be sold to the highest bidder, and Brett Holman I'm also pretty sure will need to find a new home. After that there's a good chance that Enda Stevens will be out on loan or sold. I reckon Fonz might be given another shot.
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Alan Hutton returns to Villa after finishing his spells at Real Mallorca. *cries*
Dabbling in voodoo over there, was he?
Scotland's very own white witch doctor.
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The reason Hutton and Ireland are still there is so we can get get money from their transfers, it's not like they're getting back into the team.
LOL! Actually it's because we haven't found anyone else willing to pay their ludicrous wages.
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Does a loan player qualify for this? Surely his contract is with spurs not us?
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I think that squad list is a lot more interesting than it first appears.
28 players.
Lichaj is an error
Seigrist is 21
Carruthers is 20
The rest all have to be registered, and there are 25 places.
So we currently can't buy anyone over 21 without having to sell someone/leave someone out of the squad.
It's a sell to buy situation, the press will have a field day!
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I think that squad list is a lot more interesting than it first appears.
28 players.
Lichaj is an error
Seigrist is 21
Carruthers is 20
The rest all have to be registered, and there are 25 places.
So we currently can't buy anyone over 21 without having to sell someone/leave someone out of the squad.
It's a sell to buy situation, the press will have a field day!
I don't think that's true is it? Aren't all homegrown players counted in the same way as under 21 year olds? We've got tons of them.
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I think that squad list is a lot more interesting than it first appears.
28 players.
Lichaj is an error
Seigrist is 21
Carruthers is 20
The rest all have to be registered, and there are 25 places.
So we currently can't buy anyone over 21 without having to sell someone/leave someone out of the squad.
It's a sell to buy situation, the press will have a field day!
I don't think that's true is it? Aren't all homegrown players counted in the same way as under 21 year olds? We've got tons of them.
Nope, you can register 25, up to 17 of which can be trained abroad and the rest have to be home grown. On top of the 25 you can register as many U21 players as you like, with U21 defined as anyone who doesn't turn 22 until after the 1st of January in that season. Siegrist, for example, is ok because he's 22 at the end of January.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8858634.stm
Come on guys, think about it...
We can buy who ever we want, you don't have to register every player, we could have a squad of 50 if we want, but just won't be able to play half of them.
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I think that squad list is a lot more interesting than it first appears.
28 players.
Lichaj is an error
Seigrist is 21
Carruthers is 20
The rest all have to be registered, and there are 25 places.
So we currently can't buy anyone over 21 without having to sell someone/leave someone out of the squad.
It's a sell to buy situation, the press will have a field day!
True, but the registration isnt until September 1st which gives us plenty of time to offload players.
You can then loan any players to lower league after that.
I make 10 players in that list that probably wont be here next season.
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I cannot for the life of me imagine Ireland and Hutton being here come the end of August. They have been told in no uncertain terms they are no longer part of the club. Bent and Given will be sold to the highest bidder, and Brett Holman I'm also pretty sure will need to find a new home. After that there's a good chance that Enda Stevens will be out on loan or sold. I reckon Fonz might be given another shot.
I'd love it to happen that way, but it sounds extremely rose-tinted to me. It makes no odds if Hutton, Ireland, Given etc have been told they have no future here. We will only get them off our books if someone wants them enough, and they are prepared to go.
Hutton has two years of 40k a week level wages to claim if he wants. Given has three years of even more money, and Ireland has a year of more money than the two of them. I wish it was as easy as telling them to find a move and then away they go, but our recent history shows it is way, way more complicated than that.
In the case of Ireland, he's only 26, he could quite easily rake in the 65k a week for another year - costing us over £3m - and then move on a free, where he'll get both a fat signing on fee and more wages than he would do otherwise (on account of there being no fee) .
Having a history of paying big wages is going to continue to bite us on the arse for a while yet, I suspect, and whichever route gets taken to get shot of those three, it's going to cost us money, whether through paying them off, paying part of their wages once they've moved on, or not getting a sell-on fee for them.
We might shift Hutton on to two more seasons on loan somewhere, which will move some of the wage burden, but he's also a player we stumped up a £4m fee for. Yet more money pissed away.
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The contracts of Graham Burke, Derrick Williams, Michael Drennan, Samir Carruthers and Daniel Johnson are set to expire but all five have been offered extensions.
Worth sending some of these out on loan early next season? Williams played in one of our league games earlier this season and seems to have a taste for it now while Carruthers surely needs to be played some league football?
That said Johnson went to Yeovil and he didn't last long there...
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The legacy of the high wages of the "unwanted few " is what it is. I am sure the club is aware of this. I don't see this as a massive to problem to PL. The wage bill has been cut massively and the TV money goes up next season.
It shouldn't stop PL bringing in 3/4 decent PL type signings this summer.
Had my doubts about PL originally . But he can't be that stupid not to bring in some decent defenders???
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In the case of Ireland, he's only 26, he could quite easily rake in the 65k a week for another year - costing us over £3m - and then move on a free, where he'll get both a fat signing on fee and more wages than he would do otherwise (on account of there being no fee) .
Who would want to pay him more wages?????
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In the case of Ireland, he's only 26, he could quite easily rake in the 65k a week for another year - costing us over £3m - and then move on a free, where he'll get both a fat signing on fee and more wages than he would do otherwise (on account of there being no fee) .
Who would want to pay him more wages?????
Not more money than he gets here now, more money than he'd get if he moved with a fee.
That's why it is good for players to leave on a free - there is no fee to pay, so they kerching it through screwing more money out of the buying club in wages, or a signing on fee, or both.
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In the case of Ireland, he's only 26, he could quite easily rake in the 65k a week for another year - costing us over £3m - and then move on a free, where he'll get both a fat signing on fee and more wages than he would do otherwise (on account of there being no fee) .
Who would want to pay him more wages?????
It means that a club may pay, for arguments sake, 40K a week if they have to pay £5mill for him. If they get him on a free then they could well pay him £50-60K a week.
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I cannot for the life of me imagine Ireland and Hutton being here come the end of August. They have been told in no uncertain terms they are no longer part of the club. Bent and Given will be sold to the highest bidder, and Brett Holman I'm also pretty sure will need to find a new home. After that there's a good chance that Enda Stevens will be out on loan or sold. I reckon Fonz might be given another shot.
I'd love it to happen that way, but it sounds extremely rose-tinted to me. It makes no odds if Hutton, Ireland, Given etc have been told they have no future here. We will only get them off our books if someone wants them enough, and they are prepared to go.
Hutton has two years of 40k a week level wages to claim if he wants. Given has three years of even more money, and Ireland has a year of more money than the two of them. I wish it was as easy as telling them to find a move and then away they go, but our recent history shows it is way, way more complicated than that.
In the case of Ireland, he's only 26, he could quite easily rake in the 65k a week for another year - costing us over £3m - and then move on a free, where he'll get both a fat signing on fee and more wages than he would do otherwise (on account of there being no fee) .
Having a history of paying big wages is going to continue to bite us on the arse for a while yet, I suspect, and whichever route gets taken to get shot of those three, it's going to cost us money, whether through paying them off, paying part of their wages once they've moved on, or not getting a sell-on fee for them.
We might shift Hutton on to two more seasons on loan somewhere, which will move some of the wage burden, but he's also a player we stumped up a £4m fee for. Yet more money pissed away.
There's nothing rose tinted about what I said. I don't think any of those players will be here come the end of August. How that happens isn't the point. And at no point did I say we were getting out of this scot free. We'll be taking a bath on a number of those contracts. I'm sure until those contracts have been paid through in whatever capacity it will hurt us financially. So I'm not painting a pretty picture and never intended to. I just don't think physically any of those players will be with us when the window closes which is all I said because like Makoun the club will subsidise their move out of the club.
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Well, how it happens kind of is the point - what I meant was, the figures might be hard to work with, as per Ireland. There's every chance we won't be able to just take a bath and get shot of him.
He could very easily decide to sit out the year for the reasons above, if it makes financial sense for him, especially at his age. What do we then do? We've not got much choice in the matter. That's precisely what has happened with other players in the past.
I don't think we can assume they'll be gone because we want them out at all.
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Well, how it happens kind of is the point - what I meant was, the figures might be hard to work with, as per Ireland. There's every chance we won't be able to just take a bath and get shot of him.
He could very easily decide to sit out the year for the reasons above, if it makes financial sense for him, especially at his age. What do we then do? We've not got much choice in the matter. That's precisely what has happened with other players in the past.
I don't think we can assume they'll be gone because we want them out at all.
Sorry it was your rose tinted comment that I took exception to like I somehow was living in some magical make belief world that all of this was going to happen without any difficulty. It came across as rather patronizing. I don't disagree with you that there is the chance that Ireland, as an example is so toxic that whatever we try and do to move him he ends up at the club. I just think that they will do whatever they can to rid themselves of him and the other influences that are negative. Whether that is loan or permanent transfer he's likely knows for a while now he has no future at the club. Now, if he decides to milk it for the next three years and just suck on his bong then what choice do we have? I would find it amazing as a professional that won't want to play somewhere else. I could be wrong.
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Wouldn't it be nice if professional pride made players like Ireland seek another challenge even if it meant lower wages?
It's not like he will ever want for money is it?
But no, he'll leech off us doing fuck all until his contract runs out or until we pay him off.
Reasons to hate modern football #3588
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Wouldn't it be nice if professional pride made players like Ireland seek another challenge even if it meant lower wages?
It's not like he will ever want for money is it?
But no, he'll leech off us doing fuck all until his contract runs out or until we pay him off.
Reasons to hate modern football #3588
Couldn't the club just ban pink bentleys from the ground and then sack him on a technicality?
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Old Sparky will be calling for Mr Ireland soon enough I reckon.
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Even so, he won't be going without us taking a massive haircut (no offence to the weavy bald twat).
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God its depressing to think Ireland is only 26 - what a waste that someone with obvious talent is a complete write-off. Club would be best not giving him a squad number, live with the fact we're paying him for one more season and then let him go. I honestly think the club would let him go on a free if someone would pay his wages but i'm not hopeful. Given we might as well use as back-up if we can't shift him. At least he has some purpose. Hutton. I'm not sure he's that bad apart from the hospital tackling at times - seemed to be trying too hard at one point and became rather an anti-mascot for the anti-TSM lot. He's an average premiership defender and i could imagine a club taking a punt on him for a reduced fee.
Of the rest, N'zogbia i'd like to see leave. Just not consistent enough and for what we paid probably the biggest transfer disaster of the post-MON era. Whats the point of a player who plays ok once every 15 games? Bent, again wages will be the sticking point to getting him off the books. I'm still convinced he can do a job but there's obviously some sort of issue with him and Lambert.
Overall, still a very weak squad apart from up front to my mind, but hopefully we're going to rectify that in the coming weeks
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I just don't agree n'zogbia has been as bad as people say. In the last third of the season he was crucial in games v: west ham, QPR, Fulham, Everton, west brom.
He's contributed more in those games than Holman did all season and albrighton has done in the last 2 1/2 years combined. I dare say in a strict goals and assists basis he probably contributed more than Weimann since January? Certainly on a per minute basis.
That's not to say I wouldn't want someone who can play the no 10 role without also giving us more shape and stability.
But There's plenty more to sell before we reach n'zogbia I think.
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I just don't agree n'zogbia has been as bad as people say. In the last third of the season he was crucial in games v: west ham, QPR, Fulham, Everton, west brom.
He's contributed more in those games than Holman did all season and albrighton has done in the last 2 1/2 years combined. I dare say in a strict goals and assists basis he probably contributed more than Weimann since January? Certainly on a per minute basis.
That's not to say I wouldn't want someone who can play the no 10 role without also giving us more shape and stability.
But There's plenty more to sell before we reach n'zogbia I think.
He was better I agree, but for every game you can list where he played well since Christmas you can give a game where he was completely anonymous. On top of that we were a better team in that period when he wasn't playing.
Like Bent there is a player there who could have been useful for us in a different system but how we play now he isn't worth what we paid to buy him or what he's being paid to stay. For that reason if there is an offer to get him off the wage bill and get back £5-6m we should, and probably will, take it. The good thing is I can see 2-3 clubs being interested. I expect him and Bent to be fairly easy to offload and to bring in around 15m between them, still a big loss but better than writing them off completely.
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If we're going to play N'Zogbia, he needs to play as part of a front three with a midfield three behind him. When he was on the pitch with Weimann Gabby and Benteke, it left us very short in the middle. Personally i don't think he's done enough so far in the time he's been here.
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I thought it was a bit harsh that NZogbia lost his spot, he was playing really well and got dropped for no reason. He did then struggle to get back into the side as everyone else was doing so well and he wasnt when coming on from the bench.
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I thought it was a bit harsh that NZogbia lost his spot, he was playing really well and got dropped for no reason. He did then struggle to get back into the side as everyone else was doing so well and he wasnt when coming on from the bench.
We played better after he was dropped, so that is the reason.
The problem is you have to give him a free role to get anything out of him. Our shape with 3 up front means he could only have that free role playing in one of those 3 spots, if he plays behind we look short on numbers in the middle. If he'd be happy playing wide left or wide right it'd be fine but he wants to be central.
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Think its important that the young-uns who have been offered new contracts,are loaned out to clubs who play at a fairly high standard and a style of football that is beneficial to us. Maybe even abroad.
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God its depressing to think Ireland is only 26 - what a waste that someone with obvious talent is a complete write-off. Club would be best not giving him a squad number, live with the fact we're paying him for one more season and then let him go. I honestly think the club would let him go on a free if someone would pay his wages but i'm not hopeful. Given we might as well use as back-up if we can't shift him. At least he has some purpose. Hutton. I'm not sure he's that bad apart from the hospital tackling at times - seemed to be trying too hard at one point and became rather an anti-mascot for the anti-TSM lot. He's an average premiership defender and i could imagine a club taking a punt on him for a reduced fee.
Of the rest, N'zogbia i'd like to see leave. Just not consistent enough and for what we paid probably the biggest transfer disaster of the post-MON era. Whats the point of a player who plays ok once every 15 games? Bent, again wages will be the sticking point to getting him off the books. I'm still convinced he can do a job but there's obviously some sort of issue with him and Lambert.
Overall, still a very weak squad apart from up front to my mind, but hopefully we're going to rectify that in the coming weeks
I disagree on Hutton. The problem is that he's very average in most aspects but then tackles like an idiot on top of it. He was the definition of a TSM player, fairly steady, does his job ok but with no flair or excitement. Holman is similar. We'd have ended up with a squad full of them if TSM was still here. Not bad players but not good either, and very dull.
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The legacy of the high wages of the "unwanted few " is what it is. I am sure the club is aware of this. I don't see this as a massive to problem to PL. The wage bill has been cut massively and the TV money goes up next season.
It shouldn't stop PL bringing in 3/4 decent PL type signings this summer.
Had my doubts about PL originally . But he can't be that stupid not to bring in some decent defenders???
Don't know about that. I'm thinking Lambert will be looking at vlaar now as the "seasoned veteran" and bringing in a new, green defender from somewhere as back up to vlaar and baker.
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Well, how it happens kind of is the point - what I meant was, the figures might be hard to work with, as per Ireland. There's every chance we won't be able to just take a bath and get shot of him.
He could very easily decide to sit out the year for the reasons above, if it makes financial sense for him, especially at his age. What do we then do? We've not got much choice in the matter. That's precisely what has happened with other players in the past.
I don't think we can assume they'll be gone because we want them out at all.
Ireland's a tough one. I get the impression he's not a football man. It's a job for him. He's not one of these players that wants to be on the field week in week out. He could very well be happy sitting on a bench as long as he gets his pay packet. Sitting it out for more money when he goes for a free transfer. Don't think he's the player like say Darren bent who will be saying either play me or sell me on
N'Zogbia I want to see still at the club too. He hasn't been inconsistent. When he's been played in his proper position he's been very good. But he doesn't offer the support defending that gabby and Weimann do
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Rumors say that Ireland is to be freed of his contract without further payment as soon as he's back from holidays, on the grounds of breach in contract at his end. Without being more specific *cough*abuse of dr*cough*.
It's one thing after another with this twat.
I mean despite them charging to sign pass ports and spending most of the week on medical industry jollies or the golf course, it's still not on abusing your GP.
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I quite like N'Zogbia, and still think he's probably got something to offer. That said, if he goes and we get a decent transfer fee, plus the loss of his wages, and we are then able to buy a replacement who is just as effective and at half the cost, well, that sounds like decent business to me.
No idea who that replacement might be, mind. But I imagine N'Zogbia's wages would be tempting to, say, Younes Belhanda.
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It would be a nice get out of jail card for the club if they want to get rid of Ireland and he really has been a naughty boy.
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It would be a convenient escape for us.
Either way, I think it looks like Ireland is not going to be any kind of use for us, and so although it's plenty of money to do so I'd say the club would be best served paying up his contract and getting him off the books.
Easily Faulkner's worst signing ;-)
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It would be a convenient escape for us.
Either way, I think it looks like Ireland is not going to be any kind of use for us, and so although it's plenty of money to do so I'd say the club would be best served paying up his contract and getting him off the books.
Easily Faulkner's worst signing ;-)
Let's not be overly critical of Faulkner over this one, check all the fans forums from that summer and you'll see a lot of people thinking we got a very good deal and that Ireland was going to be a great signing.
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Yeah, I was just kidding, hence the winky thing! I was one of the ones who thought it was a good signing! I may even have used the phrase 'missing piece of the jigsaw' at some point...
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Yeah, I was just kidding, hence the winky thing! I was one of the ones who thought it was a good signing! I may even have used the phrase 'missing piece of the jigsaw' at some point...
a lot of people thought he was a good signing. All of that money plus Stephen Ireland looked a decent deal. Off course losing Milner was a disaster, but the possible upside was Ireland and seeing if he could find again the form that a couple of years or so prior had seen him emerge as one of the games future stars. He looked superb for man City when he first broke on to the scene. Unfortunately the game isn't as important as the other things his money has got him which is a crying shame.
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Wouldn't it be nice if professional pride made players like Ireland seek another challenge even if it meant lower wages?
It's not like he will ever want for money is it?
But no, he'll leech off us doing fuck all until his contract runs out or until we pay him off.
Reasons to hate modern football #3588
to be fair to Ireland he was given that contract by the club. He will be advised by his people to have the best deal possible for him and if a transfer that doesn't offer both him and villa suitability he ll just be shipped out on loan... Then released end of season. I see him moving stoke west ham hull norwich thesee managers would be a good fit for Ireland
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Not the Fonz :-( he's shite, move him on nothing to see here, sane goes for Bannan, Ireland Hutton
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I would be happy to see Stevens stay as I think he will turn out to be the best of the three at full-back. I think he will do well for a longer loan spell and develop into a good player.
Lichaj was good cover and usually soild (think I'll leave that typo in), but seem to have moments of madness and was unlikely ever to replace Bennett who was better going forward-which suits Lambert's style.
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Not the Fonz :-( he's shite, move him on nothing to see here, sane goes for Bannan, Ireland Hutton
He is not shite-but he has never looked good enough whenever I have seen him-despite the Vassel-like quality of scoring eye-catching goals out of the blue. I never forget the game I saw him against Brighton a couple of seasons ago-he looked like he had all the talent but his head-down attitude reminded me of Collymore on one of his bad days.
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Wouldn't it be nice if professional pride made players like Ireland seek another challenge even if it meant lower wages?
It's not like he will ever want for money is it?
But no, he'll leech off us doing fuck all until his contract runs out or until we pay him off.
Reasons to hate modern football #3588
to be fair to Ireland he was given that contract by the club. He will be advised by his people to have the best deal possible for him and if a transfer that doesn't offer both him and villa suitability he ll just be shipped out on loan
Yes I know that. But I was talking about professional pride. You know, wanting to play football, it's what his job is supposed to be after all. It's not like he really needs more buckets of cash is it?
Ireland is a complete waste of undoubted talent. I'd like to think he will look back on his career later in life and think the same but he'll probably just laugh at how easy it all was.
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Yes professional pride though there is a combination of factors in securing a move and getting game time. There is also a combination of factors in a player wanting a move as well as professional pride - that said Ireland would be better served if he transfer out.
Id say bye bye to following players and get around £20m - £25m in fees aswell as in cases of Ireland Hutton Nzogbia Bent real aid in decrease wage bill. If buyers can't be found would loan them out though i feel these 4 and the other 2 ive listed can find clubs to move onto
Hutton 2m
Holman 2m
delfoneso 2m
Ireland 3m
Nzogbia 5m
Bent 8m
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Not the Fonz :-( he's shite, move him on nothing to see here, sane goes for Bannan, Ireland Hutton
He is not shite-but he has never looked good enough whenever I have seen him-despite the Vassel-like quality of scoring eye-catching goals out of the blue. I never forget the game I saw him against Brighton a couple of seasons ago-he looked like he had all the talent but his head-down attitude reminded me of Collymore on one of his bad days.
He was a bit head-down when i saw him in Mothercare in Solihull a couple of weeks ago but to be fair so was I - havn't women heard of the internet?
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Is there anyway the club can cut loose players like Ireland. I mean in NFL if the player is unneeded the team can cut him much easier that english football. Can we just release him on free transfer ? if we don't want to keep him.
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Is there anyway the club can cut loose players like Ireland. I mean in NFL if the player is unneeded the team can cut him much easier that english football. Can we just release him on free transfer ? if we don't want to keep him.
No he is under contract and if we want rid of him we would have to pay him to terminate the contract .
We can't just say we don't need you anymore and show him the door , thats the security of a contract .
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Do we know who gave the go ahead for the Ireland purchase?
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Do we know who gave the go ahead for the Ireland purchase?
man city. They offered him in player and cash deal for milner. Its easy to forget where Ireland signed from as he was by all accounts not doing much at man city. I remember though and other may too he had a nice season a few before he was signed to us in the exchange and cash deal he has never reached those heights since.
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Not the Fonz :-( he's shite, move him on nothing to see here, sane goes for Bannan, Ireland Hutton
He is not shite-but he has never looked good enough whenever I have seen him-despite the Vassel-like quality of scoring eye-catching goals out of the blue. I never forget the game I saw him against Brighton a couple of seasons ago-he looked like he had all the talent but his head-down attitude reminded me of Collymore on one of his bad days.
He was a bit head-down when i saw him in Mothercare in Solihull a couple of weeks ago but to be fair so was I - havn't women heard of the internet?
Where is the Mothercare in Solihull ? I've lived here for 30 years and never seen it ??
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It used to be on the road that lead to Mell Square, where Argos is.
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Retail park is the one we used to use
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Do we know who gave the go ahead for the Ireland purchase?
man city. They offered him in player and cash deal for milner. Its easy to forget where Ireland signed from as he was by all accounts not doing much at man city. I remember though and other may too he had a nice season a few before he was signed to us in the exchange and cash deal he has never reached those heights since.
I think he had more than one good season for them tbh. As much as I didnt want Milner to leave, I actually thought Ireland would be a good replacement. Has not turned out to be the case, but that is not Faulkners fault surely. Ireland has so much talent, but has not shown it and has been nothing short of a disgrace footballing wise. I have heard he has done great charity work and applaud that, but he is a professional footballer and he has been piss poor
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Do we know who gave the go ahead for the Ireland purchase?
man city. They offered him in player and cash deal for milner. Its easy to forget where Ireland signed from as he was by all accounts not doing much at man city. I remember though and other may too he had a nice season a few before he was signed to us in the exchange and cash deal he has never reached those heights since.
I think he had more than one good season for them tbh. As much as I didnt want Milner to leave, I actually thought Ireland would be a good replacement. Has not turned out to be the case, but that is not Faulkners fault surely. Ireland has so much talent, but has not shown it and has been nothing short of a disgrace footballing wise. I have heard he has done great charity work and applaud that, but he is a professional footballer and he has been piss poor
No he had less, he had about 25games under Hughes where he looked world class, before and since he looked an average/below-average premier league player who could be good if he didn't have serious mental problems.
By all accounts he does a lot of charity work, you can see he always represents the club on the acorns days etc, he just doesn't seem to like playing football. I liken it to someone having a job they don't like but they go every day and do the minimum because they like the annual conference and they're paid well enough to not be bothered to look elsewhere.
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Hutton in daily record mentions along with 7 others were told they are not part of villas plans. Is this a wages issue? He asays he is in no rush to leave as he has a year left but ideally he wants a permanent move away. Hutton expects villa not to ask for a fee - he says they can't really when he's been told his services aren't required. Though i like to think we are holding out for some transfer sum. Fair play Hutton is okay with Lambert and understands that its club decision but just wants to be playing
I think this is similar to Ireland taking his time to get out of villa- the player wants to make right move away from club now they are told not figuring in clubs plans.
Of course Hutton comments makes me wonder who the 8 were as villa is going in different direction:
I understand the club is going in a different direction but think need to get some money on for players including a fee for Hutton and others rather than free transfers. I can only think 7 players warnock, Ireland, bent, Hutton,dunne, given makoun... ?
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Warnock left in January.
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Hutton in daily record mentions along with 7 others were told they are not part of villas plans. Is this a wages issue? He asays he is in no rush to leave as he has a year left but ideally he wants a permanent move away. Hutton expects villa not to ask for a fee - he says they can't really when he's been told his services aren't required. Though i like to think we are holding out for some transfer sum. Fair play Hutton is okay with Lambert and understands that its club decision but just wants to be playing
I think this is similar to Ireland taking his time to get out of villa- the player wants to make right move away from club now they are told not figuring in clubs plans.
Of course Hutton comments makes me wonder who the 8 were as villa is going in different direction:
I understand the club is going in a different direction but think need to get some money on for players including a fee for Hutton and others rather than free transfers. I can only think 7 players warnock, Ireland, bent, Hutton,dunne, given makoun... ?
well to look at it sensibly...
Hutton
Dunne
Lichaj
Marshall
They're all obvious
Bent
Ireland
Given
are fairly safe bets
leaving 1 of
Bannan
Holman
Nzog
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The Daily Record say there's a secret seven? Reminds me of 3 summers ago when MON had to apparently shift 9 which was apparently the start of his downfall and our demise. This time round we should be far better equipped to cope regardless if we manage to shift any/all/most of the seven or not.