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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on May 27, 2013, 05:34:23 PM
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Is this a credible rumour?
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Hopefully
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Dunne and Given gone? Going to be some pie shops going bust in Brum
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What rumour?
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This rumour....http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22679633
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Has he?
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I don't really understand the animosity towards Given, he has been pushed into number 2 keeping position by some great performances from Guzan. It isn't his fault he is picking up a big pay packet.
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I don't really understand the animosity towards Given, he has been pushed into number 2 keeping position by some great performances from Guzan. It isn't his fault he is picking up a big pay packet.
I agree. In his first season he was our best player.
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Is there much animosity towards Given? Can't say I've noticed it. What I do hear are fans saying that having a reserve on £50k a week isn't helpful financially and if he's not going to be 1st choice we'd be better off getting rid of him.
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Hopefully
Why 'hopefully'? He hasn't moaned once to my knowledge. It isn't his fault he is well paid and only a backup now.
I wish him well but recognise that for both our sakes (i.e. his and the Villa's) he needs to go.
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Hopefully
Hardly been a disaster.
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He's not been a disaster at all, but the 5 year deal was an error.
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I thought he was an excellent signing and to start with was awesome. I think the change in fortunes came during the Euros where he looked a spent force. Guzan has been outstanding and deserves to be our current number one.
(Modified for sheer stupidity)
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I actually thought the torn groin against Man. United in the December was a turning point.
It's restricted his movement and suddenly some of the shots he was getting to early on (Cabaye which was going into the top corner) he just can't reach anymore.
Don't think he'll leave permanently, I think a season long loan somewhere with wages split is realistic.
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I don't really understand the animosity towards Given, he has been pushed into number 2 keeping position by some great performances from Guzan. It isn't his fault he is picking up a big pay packet.
It isn't his fault, no, but like a lot of players before him in recent history, we could do with not wasting a huge amount of money on him.
He was excellent for us last season, but Guzan is a better all-round keeper. We can't be spending the sort of big money Given will be on for a second choice keeper.
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we cant afford him on the bench that includes the like of ireland etc too
Be a great goalie for Stoke
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Like Dunne, he was carrying an injury at the Euros and really shouldn't have played. Both could easily have been fit for this season and be looking at prolonging their careers with us now.
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Tough choice in fairness as both in the 30s and given ROI's record, the last major championship they'd play in particularly when you've toiled in all the other unsuccessful qualifying attempts over the previous 10 years.
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Guzan's remarkable form and command has a lot to do with how Given is perceived. He was very good when he first got here, but his form slumped along with the rest of the players during the season that must never again be mentioned. He also represents a lot of the Villa that we are trying to shed. Not saying that we won't again have high ticket players, but hopefully they will be worth every penny as opposed to now being seen as a massive hole in the club books.
I assume he'll be provided with a sweetener to help him move because nobody is going to pay him as we did for the balance of his career. A bit like Bent, he never had a bad word to say about us, but he needs to play, so good luck to him. I hope he gets to play somewhere we can catch glimpses of what a top keeper he once was.
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Helped keep us up under McLeish, that save at the Borethorns was vital. However, considering his age and wages I would be delighted if he left, but unlike some players he would go with my thanks and best wishes.
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I wish him all the best with his future career. I think the terms given to him, as a 36 year old, increasingly injury prone player were ridiculous but that was hardly his fault. He played well for us in his first season and when he lost his place he hasn't been a disruptive influence and in fact everything I've heard in terms of rumours suggest quite the opposite with him being a good presence around the club. I have no animosity towards him, I'd just be happy to see him leave. I think he'll be happy to leave as well.
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Fair play that man.
No doubt he'll be adequately compensated but he had us over a barrel with that contract and with his best days behind him, no international place to compete for you could see him taking up a senior role in the reserves and seeing it out.
I do wonder where he'll go though. Suppose one of the newly promoted sides are a possibility. Celtic have a fine young 'keeper. And the rest of this seasons Premier League bottom half seem to be sorted in that position.
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Always liked Shay. Total pro. But yeah best for both parties if he leaves to get the first team football he deserves.
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It's always a bugger signing a second choice goalie though. I wonder who we'll look at, whether it'll be an obvious number 2 or someone to compete with Guzan. I think the latter, but I suppose it depends on resources.
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I actually thought the torn groin against Man. United in the December was a turning point.
It's restricted his movement and suddenly some of the shots he was getting to early on (Cabaye which was going into the top corner) he just can't reach anymore.
Don't think he'll leave permanently, I think a season long loan somewhere with wages split is realistic.
Wouldn't be a bad outcome to send him out on loan with a recall option if we can't shift him permanently. Would be a nice option to have to recall if brad was injured etc.
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Hopefully he values playing more than money, and then he might move on and cost us nothing.
Always comes across as a decent bloke, but for the money he is on, i first expect him to be in the first team, and expect him to be one of the best in the league.Hes neither.Good Luck to him, go and get a good young keeper.
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Helped keep us up under McLeish, that save at the Borethorns was vital. However, considering his age and wages I would be delighted if he left, but unlike some players he would go with my thanks and best wishes.
Wasn't there one camera angle that actually showed the ball was over the line for that?
There was a similar one he did in the 1-1 at Anfield a few weeks before when he saved from someone on the line and one of the replays showed the ball was just over but at that speed very hard for the linesman to be 100%.
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http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1461926/given-confirms-villa-exit?cc=3436
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Dunne and Given leaving, there's about £125K a week freed up. Fill your boots Paul.
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Helped keep us up under McLeish, that save at the Borethorns was vital. However, considering his age and wages I would be delighted if he left, but unlike some players he would go with my thanks and best wishes.
Wasn't there one camera angle that actually showed the ball was over the line for that?
There was a similar one he did in the 1-1 at Anfield a few weeks before when he saved from someone on the line and one of the replays showed the ball was just over but at that speed very hard for the linesman to be 100%.
Nah, it was against the Bitters so was a fantastic save. Never in a million years was it over the line.
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Probably on loan, but with us paying a share of his wages. Can't see us being lucky finding a permanent move for Given or Ireland.
Can't blame the players, I wouldn't want to take a pay cut.
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Some players might made enough money to accept a pay cut for more football action. Not everyone want to be no 2 all the time.
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Always liked Shay. Total pro. But yeah best for both parties if he leaves to get the first team football he deserves.
Agreed. Seems a really decent sort and I'll wish him all the best wherever he ends up.
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Some players might made enough money to accept a pay cut for more football action. Not everyone want to be no 2 all the time.
Ireland seems happy to be number two most of the time.
I'm dead mature.
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Dunne and Given leaving, there's about £125K a week freed up. Fill your boots Paul.
Add in Bent, that's almost £200K all told. Throw in Hutton, Ireland and a couple of other perifery players, it's near enough £250K. Give some more deserving lads a bump, the net saving will be around £100-125K.
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Some players might made enough money to accept a pay cut for more football action. Not everyone want to be no 2 all the time.
Ireland seems happy to be A number two most of the time.
I'm dead mature.
edited ;)
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Some players might made enough money to accept a pay cut for more football action. Not everyone want to be no 2 all the time.
Yes. Let's not forget Given could've easily seen out his career with Man. City and won a few medals but wanted to play.
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Some players might made enough money to accept a pay cut for more football action. Not everyone want to be no 2 all the time.
Yes. Let's not forget Given could've easily seen out his career with Man. City and won a few medals but wanted to play.
And didn't he take a pay cut to come here?
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I think so.
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He took a bit less but over a longer time, so sort of but not really.
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Paycut from 60k a week from 80k for 5 years.. What a top pro. We could have had Ben Foster for half the wage and he is 10 years younger. Another Feckin Faulkner Fiasco.
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Given was ten times better at the time.
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What a crazy contract decision that was. Hope we're not having to pay him off to get shut, although I suspect we will.
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Has he gone then?
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Is it a given that Given is gone? And will folks give Given grief for going?
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Has he gone then?
no........
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Only hinting at a Summer exit because he wants to play more, fair play in my view. Bloody good keeper and would walk into any other Prem side.
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/given-confirms-villa-exit-595714.html
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He's a decent keeper but on far too much money for a second choice keeper at a club who are trying to cut costs. If he leaves, I suspect we'll have to contribute sonething to his wages, but I'd wish him all the best as he's been a good pro and not moaned while he's been out.
Boaz Myhill as back-up might be a reasonable, and cheaper, replacement.
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Paycut from 60k a week from 80k for 5 years.. What a top pro. We could have had Ben Foster for half the wage and he is 10 years younger. Another Feckin Faulkner Fiasco.
You think our directors should tell the manager who to sign?
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Only hinting at a Summer exit because he wants to play more, fair play in my view. Bloody good keeper and would walk into any other Prem side.
WAS a good keeper, not anymore, overall a stupid signing, should have just given Friedel the 2 year deal he wanted.
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Faulkner should just do one.
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Faulkner should just do one.
yep, the season must be over and some of the nuttier natives are getting a little restless. We've now had rumblings of lacking ambition and now Faulkner should do one. Happy days
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Faulkner should just do one.
Why?
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Faulkner should just do one.
Should he do one because of Lowton, Guzan, Benteke, Westwood and so on as well?
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Only hinting at a Summer exit because he wants to play more, fair play in my view. Bloody good keeper and would walk into any other Prem side.
WAS a good keeper, not anymore, overall a stupid signing, should have just given Friedel the 2 year deal he wanted.
Two years ago Friedel was every inch the reserve keeper he'd perfomed like.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
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Hull struggled with keepers last season for many reasons, so if Potato Head can stump up the wages, he'd go a good job at Hull.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
Maybe McLeish really wanted him and that contract was the only way to get him. So with the stick he was getting from the off the board decided to back him. Or maybe for the latter part of the contract the plan was for a coaching role. All pure guesswork on my part I should add.
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I always thought the long contract was compensation for the pay-cut he took joining us. To be fair 'keepers can go on well towards their 40's. so in that respect the contract made a bit more sense, and at the time Guzan was not that highly rated by the majority of us as he is now.
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Your point is?
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Good luck to him. He did well for us last year. In all honesty we probably survived because of some of Givens performances. But he's not as good as he once was and he's on too much money. I'd love to have him stay on as a number 2, but he's good enough to be playing in the top flight regularly still. I expect a number of clubs to come in for him.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
It won't suit everyone but maybe it proves that it was a sellers' market and Villa were just as desperate for a top goalie in July 2011 as they had been for a top striker in Jan 2011 and they didn't have much of a choice other than to offer the long contract.
If Rafa's assessment of Given was correct; that he was a good goalkeeper but didn't command his area enough to allow a team to play a high line, then McLeish's decision to play his back-line a few yards nearer to their own goal-line than seemed reasonable is more understandable.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
It won't suit everyone but maybe it proves that it was a sellers' market and Villa were just as desperate for a top goalie in July 2011 as they had been for a top striker in Jan 2011 and they didn't have much of a choice other than to offer the long contract.
If Rafa's assessment of Given was correct; that he was a good goalkeeper but didn't command his area enough to allow a team to play a high line, then McLeish's decision to play his back-line a few yards nearer to their own goal-line than seemed reasonable is more understandable.
It's just ironic that the good keeper we were looking for was sat on the bench and McClueless couldn't see it. Nothing against Shay, he's kept his head down and not whinged to the gutter press. The bloke is getting on, if he still wants to pla then he best find a new club, in the best interests of both parties, I'm sure he will get a handsome pay off.
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I don't think we're backed into a corner for a payoff as many of you suggest.
Its a 2 way street, he wants to leave so he can spend a couple of years playing first choice somewhere before retiring. We want to get rid to save money. If the pay off is near the money he would earn during the remaining term of his contract then theres no point in us shifting him as hes a more than capable back up.
So its common sense for him to move one without demanding a pay off as we could just as easily say no and make him sit on the bench until he retires.
So it's in his best interest to leave without a big pay off if he wants to play first choice somewhere
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But that assumes he can find a club who will pay him what he's on at the Villa which will be a struggle I think. That's how it could cost us to shift him.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
It won't suit everyone but maybe it proves that it was a sellers' market and Villa were just as desperate for a top goalie in July 2011 as they had been for a top striker in Jan 2011 and they didn't have much of a choice other than to offer the long contract.
If Rafa's assessment of Given was correct; that he was a good goalkeeper but didn't command his area enough to allow a team to play a high line, then McLeish's decision to play his back-line a few yards nearer to their own goal-line than seemed reasonable is more understandable.
It's just ironic that the good keeper we were looking for was sat on the bench and McClueless couldn't see it. Nothing against Shay, he's kept his head down and not whinged to the gutter press. The bloke is getting on, if he still wants to pla then he best find a new club, in the best interests of both parties, I'm sure he will get a handsome pay off.
To be fair to McLeish, though, I don't remember lots of us shouting for Given to be replaced by Guzan at the time.
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Only hinting at a Summer exit because he wants to play more, fair play in my view. Bloody good keeper and would walk into any other Prem side.
WAS a good keeper, not anymore, overall a stupid signing, should have just given Friedel the 2 year deal he wanted.
Of all the crazy deals we have done in the past few years, Given in in place of Friedel was one of the few upgrades. Brad had been showing signs of decline in 2010/11, Given was our best player in 2011/12.
I don't think Given's form in the Euros's showed him to be a spent force either, he was clearly injured.
He was ropey in the opening home match v Everton, but I'd have thought his form from last year would have bought him more time. Lambert felt differently, and in fairness to Baby Brad, he seized the opportunity.
That happens. If we had that level of competition for all positions we'd be in good shape (though having back up left backs on 60k per week wouldn't be the way to go).
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That happens. If we had that level of competition for all positions we'd be in good shape (though having back up left backs on 60k per week wouldn't be the way to go).
Absolutely, especially as we've only just got rid of Habib Beye!
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Only hinting at a Summer exit because he wants to play more, fair play in my view. Bloody good keeper and would walk into any other Prem side.
WAS a good keeper, not anymore, overall a stupid signing, should have just given Friedel the 2 year deal he wanted.
In hindsight we should've just given Friedel a 5 year deal when he signed although I feel his standards were slipping near the end.
We gave Brad a 3 year deal thinking he was going to retire at the end of it and of course he was nowhere near so we had to offer him another one, I've always thought that was part of the thinking behind Given's 5 year deal but a) still a mental length and b) it's fair to say Given isn't as reliable fitness wise as Brad.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
It won't suit everyone but maybe it proves that it was a sellers' market and Villa were just as desperate for a top goalie in July 2011 as they had been for a top striker in Jan 2011 and they didn't have much of a choice other than to offer the long contract.
If Rafa's assessment of Given was correct; that he was a good goalkeeper but didn't command his area enough to allow a team to play a high line, then McLeish's decision to play his back-line a few yards nearer to their own goal-line than seemed reasonable is more understandable.
It's just ironic that the good keeper we were looking for was sat on the bench and McClueless couldn't see it. Nothing against Shay, he's kept his head down and not whinged to the gutter press. The bloke is getting on, if he still wants to pla then he best find a new club, in the best interests of both parties, I'm sure he will get a handsome pay off.
To be fair to McLeish, though, I don't remember lots of us shouting for Given to be replaced by Guzan at the time.
Not at the start of the season but Guzan played well over the xmas period and didn't deserve to lose his place once Given was fit again.
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But that assumes he can find a club who will pay him what he's on at the Villa which will be a struggle I think. That's how it could cost us to shift him.
Not really, its not a written rule that you have to be on the same money as your previous club.
At his age, I'm sure he realises he's not worth £50k/w anymore.
There'd be plenty of clubs he could do to for £20k/w if he's willing to take the cut to play for a couple of years before retiring.
Option A) stay at Villa effectively retired for £50k
Option B) take a pay cut and be first choice and not regret it for the rest of your life.
I know what i'd choose if i was an already multi-millionaire couple of years from retiring.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
It won't suit everyone but maybe it proves that it was a sellers' market and Villa were just as desperate for a top goalie in July 2011 as they had been for a top striker in Jan 2011 and they didn't have much of a choice other than to offer the long contract.
If Rafa's assessment of Given was correct; that he was a good goalkeeper but didn't command his area enough to allow a team to play a high line, then McLeish's decision to play his back-line a few yards nearer to their own goal-line than seemed reasonable is more understandable.
It's just ironic that the good keeper we were looking for was sat on the bench and McClueless couldn't see it. Nothing against Shay, he's kept his head down and not whinged to the gutter press. The bloke is getting on, if he still wants to pla then he best find a new club, in the best interests of both parties, I'm sure he will get a handsome pay off.
To be fair to McLeish, though, I don't remember lots of us shouting for Given to be replaced by Guzan at the time.
Not at the start of the season but Guzan played well over the xmas period and didn't deserve to lose his place once Given was fit again.
Some of us were adamant that Guzan should have kept the shirt, especially after being a breath of fresh air in the Stoke away game.
Given did ok, but in all honesty was never the keeper I thought he was. I thought he was a much better player than he was last season. I hope someone takes him on. As said above, he asks for a big pay off I would refuse and just let him sit it out. In his interests to go and play, so he should take the financial hit.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
It won't suit everyone but maybe it proves that it was a sellers' market and Villa were just as desperate for a top goalie in July 2011 as they had been for a top striker in Jan 2011 and they didn't have much of a choice other than to offer the long contract.
If Rafa's assessment of Given was correct; that he was a good goalkeeper but didn't command his area enough to allow a team to play a high line, then McLeish's decision to play his back-line a few yards nearer to their own goal-line than seemed reasonable is more understandable.
It's just ironic that the good keeper we were looking for was sat on the bench and McClueless couldn't see it. Nothing against Shay, he's kept his head down and not whinged to the gutter press. The bloke is getting on, if he still wants to pla then he best find a new club, in the best interests of both parties, I'm sure he will get a handsome pay off.
To be fair to McLeish, though, I don't remember lots of us shouting for Given to be replaced by Guzan at the time.
To be fair to us we weren't taking training everyday.
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Im not saying directors should dictate who we buy, but the contract handed to Given in times of austerity was madness.
It won't suit everyone but maybe it proves that it was a sellers' market and Villa were just as desperate for a top goalie in July 2011 as they had been for a top striker in Jan 2011 and they didn't have much of a choice other than to offer the long contract.
If Rafa's assessment of Given was correct; that he was a good goalkeeper but didn't command his area enough to allow a team to play a high line, then McLeish's decision to play his back-line a few yards nearer to their own goal-line than seemed reasonable is more understandable.
It's just ironic that the good keeper we were looking for was sat on the bench and McClueless couldn't see it. Nothing against Shay, he's kept his head down and not whinged to the gutter press. The bloke is getting on, if he still wants to pla then he best find a new club, in the best interests of both parties, I'm sure he will get a handsome pay off.
To be fair to McLeish, though, I don't remember lots of us shouting for Given to be replaced by Guzan at the time.
I was delighted to get Given as were most on here. Handing him a 5 year deal was nuts mind you, and for me, he lost confidence as did those around him as the season went on.
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Hopefully
Why 'hopefully'? He hasn't moaned once to my knowledge. It isn't his fault he is well paid and only a backup now.
I wish him well but recognise that for both our sakes (i.e. his and the Villa's) he needs to go.
I think you've just answered your own question: hopefully he'll go because he needs to, for both parties.
I don't sense any animosity.
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What a crazy contract decision that was. Hope we're not having to pay him off to get shut, although I suspect we will.
If he asks to go we don't have to do we?
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What a crazy contract decision that was. Hope we're not having to pay him off to get shut, although I suspect we will.
If he asks to go we don't have to do we?
Well it's all just a basis for negotiation really isn't it? Under the contract, we have obligations and so does he. We'll no doubt meet somewhere in the middle, and a lot will depend on the offers he gets. The better they are, the better it will be for us.
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He's has to be on around £3mill a year. If he accepts 18 months pay off we'll still be better off. Scary numbers.
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Get Brad no2 as cover for a year and bring a cheap 3rd keeper in as cover
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Wiki says Villa paid £3.5m for him and has appeared 34 times.
The Daily Star say he's on £60k a week (£6.24m in wages over two years), and that he will accept £5m to leave rather the £9m his contract entitles him to.
So if he is kind enough to offer to leave for only £5m he would have cost Villa £14.74m.
He's played 34 games for Villa, which means every appearance will have cost Villa £433,000.
Good business?
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What a crazy contract decision that was. Hope we're not having to pay him off to get shut, although I suspect we will.
If he asks to go we don't have to do we?
Well it's all just a basis for negotiation really isn't it? Under the contract, we have obligations and so does he. We'll no doubt meet somewhere in the middle, and a lot will depend on the offers he gets. The better they are, the better it will be for us.
I don't see the point. Given is not going to sit on the bench until the end of his deal, he just is not the type.
As such, if he gets a couple of offers, as long as we allow him to go without a fee, I think he will go without a payout, professionalism will take over from him. If it doesn't, sit on it for 12 months. He will then. And we still have a good back up. Simple choice, go, play etc without payout, or sit on your arse. A bit of backbone from the club should see it though.
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We're not going to have to pay him off. Someone will come in for him. He'll have enough takers. We don't have to look for a big fee, maybe a million. Just getting those wages off our books is the main thing. I also think Given will happily cut his wages substantially to play regularly for the last 2-3 years of his career.
He'll get signed up before the window closes. He's too good not to be playing, either top flight, or a top end championship side.
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We won't get a fee for him or Ireland - their wages are far too prohibitive for most clubs and any suitor knows that. If we don't have to pay either off we will be doing very well. Neither move worked out for various reasons, chalk it up, move on. We go again. At least with Lambert's low-risk strategy we're not likely to get burnt again financially for a while.
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http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/story-19112608-detail/story.html?#axzz2UaQKCKki
There you go. Read down just a little.
Bye bye, shay.
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Whilst I agree that Given doesn't seem to be the sort to enjoy sitting out a contract, if he's on £60k a week as has been reported that's worth £3m a year to him. He must realise that his next contract has every chance of being his last so if someone wants to halve (or worse) his wages he might decide that it's just too much money to lose. He's also quite happily spent the last 12 months on the bench without complaining so who's to say he won't be happy to spend the next 3 years to sit on the bench.
I think it's naive to think we'll be able to move him on without it costing us anything.
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Whilst I agree that Given doesn't seem to be the sort to enjoy sitting out a contract, if he's on £60k a week as has been reported that's worth £3m a year to him. He must realise that his next contract has every chance of being his last so if someone wants to halve (or worse) his wages he might decide that it's just too much money to lose. He's also quite happily spent the last 12 months on the bench without complaining so who's to say he won't be happy to spend the next 3 years to sit on the bench.
I think it's naive to think we'll be able to move him on without it costing us anything.
I think the reality is somewhere between the 2.
It's his last chance to earn money in his playing career but it's also his last chance to have a meaningful playing career. If he gets an offer of 20k a week for 3 years and we offer 2-3m on top I'd be amazed if he didn't accept, he seems like someone who'd rather play than sit tight and earn more. I'll be very surprised if this isn't what happens during the summer.
As an aside - Andy Marshall - I can understand his playing contract ending and not being renewed as he's getting on now but I'm fairly sure he's part of the coaching team, has there been anything about that side of his role? I've not seen anything.
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I've got no problem with Shay, he played well the season before last and hasn't complained. Good luck to him when he goes.
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I've got no problem with Shay, he played well the season before last and hasn't complained. Good luck to him when he goes.
This.
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Wiki says Villa paid £3.5m for him and has appeared 34 times.
The Daily Star say he's on £60k a week (£6.24m in wages over two years), and that he will accept £5m to leave rather the £9m his contract entitles him to.
So if he is kind enough to offer to leave for only £5m he would have cost Villa £14.74m.
He's played 34 games for Villa, which means every appearance will have cost Villa £433,000.
Good business?
About as good as Heskey, who cost us around £1m per goal scored.
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Wiki says Villa paid £3.5m for him and has appeared 34 times.
The Daily Star say he's on £60k a week (£6.24m in wages over two years), and that he will accept £5m to leave rather the £9m his contract entitles him to.
So if he is kind enough to offer to leave for only £5m he would have cost Villa £14.74m.
He's played 34 games for Villa, which means every appearance will have cost Villa £433,000.
Good business?
About as good as Heskey, who cost us around £1m per goal scored.
Where Emiles concerned that's actually quite a good deal!
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You could possibly argue that he has been worth the money - we could have got relegated were it not for his performance against West Brom. Depends if you think another keeper would have kept a clean sheet in that game. It was a point that kept us up in the end, right? I try to blot out those bad times.
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Wiki says Villa paid £3.5m for him and has appeared 34 times.
The Daily Star say he's on £60k a week (£6.24m in wages over two years), and that he will accept £5m to leave rather the £9m his contract entitles him to.
So if he is kind enough to offer to leave for only £5m he would have cost Villa £14.74m.
He's played 34 games for Villa, which means every appearance will have cost Villa £433,000.
Good business?
About as good as Heskey, who cost us around £1m per goal scored.
And significantly better value than Habib Beye.
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If Mark Hughes gets the Stoke job, I hope Given goes up there, to replace Mignolet. If Mignolet gets sold. The Bluenose they've signed as his replacement is useless.
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I think you mean Bergovic (sp). Im with you though that Hughes may try and get Given, was supposed to be after him last summer.
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It's all a misunderstanding. Lambert was shouting give and go, give and go and Shay got the wrong idea.
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I think you mean Bergovic (sp). Im with you though that Hughes may try and get Given, was supposed to be after him last summer.
Sorry, quite right. Mignolet is the Blunderland keeper? Begovic was supposed to be off to Manu or Arse, I think I read somewhere!
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I think you mean Bergovic (sp). Im with you though that Hughes may try and get Given, was supposed to be after him last summer.
Sorry, quite right. Mignolet is the Blunderland keeper? Begovic was supposed to be off to Manu or Arse, I think I read somewhere!
Think Liverpool may also be interested, cant see Man U being an option for him. Think I also read Mignolet was wanted by Arsenal, we are very lucky to have got Guzan back
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Stoke have already signed Butland from Small Heath so I doubt they'd go after another keeper.
As for Mignolet at Sunderland, I've not seen an awful lot of him, however he was absolutely woeful at our place in the 6-1.
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The one thing that distinguishes Given from the likes of Heskey, Beye and other contract-run-down players is that Given is actually still easily good enough to get a starting berth at another PL club.
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Given has never said a bad word about the situation or the club also, must have been difficult season for him, but the fact is Guzan was excellent. Fair play to Lambert for having the balls to make the decision
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I said during pre season I thought Guzan would start at West Ham, given Ruddy was the first choice at Norwich Lambert clearly prefers athletic and imposing keepers which Given isn't so I was surprised he started the season as number one. Suppose Lambert didn't want to rock the boat too early but the Everton performance made it a much easier decision.
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I said during pre season I thought Guzan would start at West Ham, given Ruddy was the first choice at Norwich Lambert clearly prefers athletic and imposing keepers which Given isn't so I was surprised he started the season as number one. Suppose Lambert didn't want to rock the boat too early but the Everton performance made it a much easier decision.
Given deserved to be first choice at the start of the season but he was poor against Everton when he didn't look fit, after that I don't think Guzan has ahd a game like that where you'd think he deserved to be dropped. No ill feeling it's what should happen with goalkeepers, if they're doing the business they keep the shirt. One of my biggest criticisms of TSM was him dropping Guzan after some very good performances, it wasn't fair and very nearly cost us a top class keeper.
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The Daily Mirror say that Steve Bruce is trying to get Shay Given at Hull.
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Shays fee is one million according to the Beeb.
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Shays fee is one million according to the Beeb.
Where did you see that? Sounds like it is actually going to happen if that's the case.
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Shays fee is one million according to the Beeb.
Where did you see that? Sounds like it is actually going to happen if that's the case.
I'd guess on the Beeb?
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Shays fee is one million according to the Beeb.
Where did you see that? Sounds like it is actually going to happen if that's the case.
I'd guess on the Beeb?
I meant where on the Beeb, It's a pretty large website nowadays, Perce.
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Shays fee is one million according to the Beeb.
Where did you see that? Sounds like it is actually going to happen if that's the case.
I'd guess on the Beeb?
I meant where on the Beeb, It's a pretty large website nowadays, Perce.
To be fair to paulie on the beeb in the gossip link means little, on an actual article written by them is significant.
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It's strange how a million pounds is now effectively a nominal fee.
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Shays fee is one million according to the Beeb.
Where did you see that? Sounds like it is actually going to happen if that's the case.
I'd guess on the Beeb?
I meant where on the Beeb, It's a pretty large website nowadays, Perce.
Yeah I know, soz paulie.
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Interesting - he was in our carriage on the train back from Wigan to Euston last week. He still had his Villa tracksuit on - looked like he'd left in a hurry. He acknowledged us when we said hello but made it pretty clear that he didn't want to be disturbed ( headphones on, staring down constantly at his phone...)
We were wondering why he wasn't travelling back with the team. Maybe something happened?
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Shay is too good to be a number 2 keeper and at this stage of his career he needs to be playing - he would be an excellent signing for hull and I wish him well if he goes there.
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He needs to play first team football and we need to not have a second choice keeper as one of our highest paid players.
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Snap their hands off, 1 million and the loss of his wages would be great.
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Shays fee is one million according to the Beeb.
Where did you see that? Sounds like it is actually going to happen if that's the case.
I'd guess on the Beeb?
I meant where on the Beeb, It's a pretty large website nowadays, Perce.
Not in the BBC, but it has been reported elsewhere that it might be that much
Shay Given for a mil (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-shay-given-1918293)
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From that Mirror article: "Keeper-hungry [Steve] Bruce..."
The tabloids really are an abomination. Keeper-hungry? Jesus. Keeper hungry is what Ariel Castro did and look where he is.