Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine

Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: curiousorange on February 24, 2013, 06:44:29 PM

Title: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: curiousorange on February 24, 2013, 06:44:29 PM
On the BBC Sport feed, they mentioned thirteen years ago, almost to the day, Swansea City were beating Chester 2-1 and Bradford were in the Premier League. Leon Brittan, the Swansea player, also mentioned that ten years ago, Swansea were on the cusp of dropping out of League football altogether.

Today, Premier Leagure Swansea City beat League Two Bradford City at Wembley. It begs the question, where do you think Villa will be in ten years, or more accurately, thirteen years? Will we have forgotten this terrible three year period, or will the club have sunk lower than you ever thought possible? Post your predictions here.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2013, 06:45:01 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: eastie on February 24, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

Yes but not in the premier league- league one maybe?
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 24, 2013, 06:48:58 PM
Probably in the Premier League, but I expect to have spent at least one season out of it in the meantime.

Lambert will be back at Livingston.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: eastie on February 24, 2013, 06:50:46 PM
Probably in the Premier League, but I expect to have spent at least one season out of it in the meantime.

Lambert will be back at Livingston.

He will probably be at Livingston mowing the grass.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Des Little on February 24, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

Nurse!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2013, 06:53:50 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

Nurse!

Sorry, is that not what we're meant to say?
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 24, 2013, 06:54:07 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

Nurse!

The franchise will be relocated to China.

Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: TopDeck113 on February 24, 2013, 06:54:48 PM
Probably still looking back wistfully to the occasion when we had a two-legged semi-final against a fourth division team to make a Wembley final.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 24, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Finishing somewhere between 6th and 10th in the Premier League.

Or, if a European league is in place, then we'll be looking to win the top league in England.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 24, 2013, 06:58:46 PM
Championship. But it obviously won't be called that.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: pooligan on February 24, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
If we still owned by the clueless Yank ,along with the Wolves in League 1 i fear
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2013, 07:11:44 PM
It's a pointless question really because none of us know what league we'll be in 3 months time never mind what will happen in the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 24, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
It's a pointless question really because none of us know what league we'll be in 3 months time never mind what will happen in the next 10 years.

Ironically, it is the lack of points which has precipatated this thread and others like it.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

Not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2013, 07:23:10 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

Not a chance in hell.

Yes there is.

It's unlikely, but I've seen it before, more than once.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Des Little on February 24, 2013, 07:25:53 PM
Lets re visit this when we know where we are in August
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: UK Redsox on February 24, 2013, 07:26:44 PM
In another ten years time
Who can say what we'll find
What lies waiting down the line
In the end of twenty-three
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Des Little on February 24, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
In another ten years time
Who can say what we'll find
What lies waiting down the line
In the end of twenty-three

Ah, a lovely bit of Abba on a Sunday night
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: not3bad on February 24, 2013, 07:38:21 PM
It would be nice to see a league where more teams can compete for trophies in ten years.  I suppose you could argue that today was a step in the right direction.  Although the FA cup will probably be won by one of the usual suspects.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: DB on February 24, 2013, 07:38:33 PM
If we find a super-rich oil tycoon like City then we it will be very different to now - if we don't, probably treading water in the PL like all other clubs who are 'have nots'.

In ten years, I hope the powers in the game make it more of e level playing field, and not about buying sucess. If it carries on like it is, then I can't myself watching football in ten years.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 24, 2013, 07:40:06 PM
It would be nice to see a league where more teams can compete for trophies in ten years.  I suppose you could argue that today was a step in the right direction.  Although the FA cup will probably be won by one of the usual suspects.

The only way that will happen is via the introduction of playoffs.

EDIT: sorry misread that and thought you were just on about the league title itself.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: brian green on February 24, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
Bumping along in the top third of a premiership from which the top five will have left to join the Euroleague.   Villa will be owned by one of my sons, the other will be CEO and I shall be brahn bred.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 24, 2013, 07:42:02 PM
If we find a super-rich oil tycoon like City then we it will be very different to now - if we don't, probably treading water in the PL like all other clubs who are 'have nots'.


That's the most depressing thing of the plot. You used to hope you could find a great manager (Ron Saunders) or one who could spend money wisely (BFR). Now you hope for a multi-billionaire to pick you as his latest pastime.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Chris Smith on February 24, 2013, 07:45:51 PM
We'll be PL Champions bemoaning that Lambert has been poached by Barcelona.

In reality, given that ten years ago we had a different owner and were managed by Graham Taylor, and the changes since, then I think it's impossible to guess where we might be in 2023.

Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on February 24, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

This!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2013, 07:47:54 PM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

Not a chance in hell.

It was a somewhat flippant post.

Basically, it's yet another thread where we're all supposed to say how fucked we are.

I agree, we are fucked, especially with the long term outlook of our witless owner, but really, honestly, do we need yet another thread to say how fucked we are? It's not like we haven't spent weeks and weeks on numerous other threads already saying this.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2013, 07:49:35 PM
We'll be PL Champions bemoaning that Lambert has been poached by Barcelona.

In reality, given that ten years ago we had a different owner and were managed by Graham Taylor, and the changes since, then I think it's impossible to guess where we might be in 2023.




That's a good point.

Look at how we felt in 2003. Fast forward 10 years, and here we are, and look at all the stuff that has happened in the intervening decade.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 24, 2013, 07:52:50 PM
Hopefully we'll stay up by the skin of our teeth, Lerner will come to his senses and start reinvesting from next season. 10 years time we'll be top 6 in the PL. We can but dream.
Meanwhile back on planet earth........
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: remy on February 24, 2013, 07:53:31 PM
The way our great club has declined, been ridiculed and exploited by mercenaries, bad management and stubbornness in the last 3 years, I can only see us yo yo-ing between the 2nd & 3rd divisions of English football. A once proud club brought to its knees.

I understand the rate of spending could not have been allowed to continue and yet simply buying ONE expensive defender could have made a difference. The breathtaking arrogance of sticking to the new policy will leave us relegated. The Lerner-Faulkner double act will be mentioned in the same vein as Steve Hodge.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: eastie on February 24, 2013, 07:55:05 PM
Having glimpsed the tealeaves -

Chris smith will be defending the manager , clampy will still be waxing lyrical about martin o neill , myself and the gnasher will be calling for the manager james milner's head and dave woodhall will have the new north stand named after him.

Villadroid will be the new poet laureat , and paulie will have eloped with karren brady in a boat steered by danlanza , while risso will be counting sprouts in a kitchen in small heath.

Dc5 and pauline will be touring europe as john gregorys backing singers with legion on tambourine.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 24, 2013, 08:01:05 PM
We'll be PL Champions bemoaning that Lambert has been poached by Barcelona.

In reality, given that ten years ago we had a different owner and were managed by Graham Taylor, and the changes since, then I think it's impossible to guess where we might be in 2023.




That's a good point.

Look at how we felt in 2003. Fast forward 10 years, and here we are, and look at all the stuff that has happened in the intervening decade.

Yes, it's all changed.

In 2003 we had an owner who increasingly seemed to have lost the plot, everyone kept moaning about the team and we had gone seven years without a major trophy.

Now it's 2013 and the situation is totally different. It's been seventeen years!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Ron Manager on February 24, 2013, 08:05:23 PM
In ten years time we will  still be above SHA ,Wolves Baggies and....I hope Walsall . Doug at the age of 99 will have returned as Chairman and to celebrate his 100th birthday there will be glorious celebrations at stately Doug Mansions with free drink for all loyal supporters

Richard Dunne will hopefully be fit for season 2024 so reports suggest.

Barry Bannan will have relocated to the USA.  Hollywood I believe the location is.

I shall be in a care home....if the good lady has any say in it.

Nurse.... Nurse!!!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Legion on February 24, 2013, 08:05:47 PM
Apostrophe alert...
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: johnny from donny on February 24, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
club owned by a south asian tycoon with links to the local area and major clout in one of the strongest economies in the world. At least 2 home league games played in the aforementioned south asian country in front of 120000 locals, many planning to call their next child Ciaran, Andreas, Jack or Lewis after their favourite member of the world league title winning squad. Villa Park now holds 80000, SHA have merged with cov due to new fifa rules stating one franchise per city and we wouldn't take them. As a by product of this, Manchester United finally concede that they play in Salford. Villas only realistic rival for world domination is St Mirren
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 24, 2013, 08:17:01 PM
We'll all be living on colonies on other planets. And robots will be our servants.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 24, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
Difficult to say, depends on if Wandy and Carbon Neutral are still here.
That's unlikely, so we could well be top 6 again by then.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Stu on February 24, 2013, 08:24:14 PM
I hope that there will be more lasers. We definitely don't have enough lasers around now, I feel cheated after growing up watching Star Wars, etc.

EDIT: FIVE THOUSAND POSTS! WOOHOO! And my 5000th I wasted talking nonsense about lasers. God bless the internet.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Chris Smith on February 24, 2013, 08:28:24 PM
We'll all be living on colonies on other planets.

I get the impression that many of us already are.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: ktvillan on February 24, 2013, 08:51:58 PM
I've no idea, but [pedant alert] it does grate with me when people use "begs the question"  when they mean "raises the question"  or "invites the question".
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: rob_bridge on February 24, 2013, 09:07:10 PM
I've no idea, but [pedant alert] it does grate with me when people use "begs the question"  when they mean "raises the question"  or "invites the question".

KT - does it annoy you when so many football writers and commentators use 'ironically' when they mean 'coincidentally'?

It does me
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Legion on February 24, 2013, 09:10:44 PM
The misuse of the word 'literally' does my head in more.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 24, 2013, 09:12:18 PM
The misuse of the word 'literally' does my head in more.

I literally knew u were going too write that. I shud of had an bet onit.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: rob_bridge on February 24, 2013, 09:17:51 PM
The misuse of the word 'literally' does my head in more.

Should of - that is frippin annoying.

Back on topic - haven't a clue. 9th in PL after 2 years in Championship a few seasons back. Big 4 may have a newer member by then replacing the Arse. 1 Cup Final
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: TheMalandro on February 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
The FA will be testing new linesman technology after Villa are robbed in the FA Cup final
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Fernando Partridge on February 24, 2013, 11:25:56 PM
I was thinking with the crux of these villa players there's potential to win a cup within next 5 years let alone 10!  and be in the upper echelons of league. However continued sales of players will see us flirt with relegation and mid table obscurity  but still a potential cup win.. I mean we virtually got there this season and in seasons past been close!  UTV 
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Steve R on February 24, 2013, 11:37:46 PM
Competing in the North Sea section of the European B-League along with clubs from Holland and Belgium.

If we're lucky we'll play in a qualifying group with winners of other regional leagues for the right to play the bottom team from the European Premier League for a place in next year's competition.

Fortunately, thanks to the marvel of 4-d television, we will already be watching the following years fixtures, safe in the knowledge that we will have won our way through.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: tomd2103 on February 25, 2013, 01:13:23 AM
I think we will see a major change in the football landscape over the next decade.  I can definitely see the formation of a European Super League (foreign TV rights will be the issue that paves the way for it) leaving behind a more competitive if not as high profile top flight in England. 
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 25, 2013, 02:09:18 AM
Same as for most of the last 30 years or so.  Middling team in the top division, making up the numbers.  Occassional glimmer of a top 6 league placing, and a cup run here and there.


Or Randy could lose interest completely, we're in constant relegation crises, we sack Lambert, appoint someone like Tim Sherwood who somehow keeps us up and gets us to an FA Cup Final (which we obviously lose); we have a promising transfer window where we buy loads of young French-based talent, but also some over the hill English players looking for a last payday, like Micah Richards and Joelon Lescott.

This doesn't go well,  we sack Sherwood and appoint a low energy French manager  - maybe Remi "Chocolate Fire" Garde and then get relegated.  Lerner sells us to a Chinese billionaire who sounds like a supervillain, who likes tweeting cryptic messages about our transfers. He appoints someone like Roberto DiMatteo who doesn't last long, then maybe someone like Steve Bruce who will give some brief stability then get to a playoff final and lose.

This Chinese billionaire turns out to be a conman, and not getting promoted means we're now going out of business. That is averted by a last-minute sale to an Egyptian billionaire and his American business partner.  They sack Bruce, and appoint a Villa fan as manager.  Weirdly, Jack Grealish comes back from an injury and emerges as a superhuman, super-consistent player, and we win a shitload of games to take us from near relegation to the playoffs.  We'll probably beat some wanky team managed by Frank Lampard, and thus return to the Premier League after about 3 seasons in the wilderness losing to Brentford and Millwall.

Our first season probably won't go well, but we'll stay up by the skin of our teeth even though we haven't got a striker for most of it.  We'll probably get to a League Cup Final and lose to Man City; though everyone will immediately forget about it because there's bound to be some massive world wide disaster, which though bad for the world works out in our favour, as we'd probably be getting relegated.  We'll probably get the odd break like the only recorded failure of goal line technology going in our favour.

The world disaster will mean a interruption to the season, but it has to be played without fans, which means no one will see us batter Liverpool 7-2, and go on to have an otherwise boring midtable finish. The next season doesn't start so good, and after a few bad games our Villa fan manager will get sacked and replaced by an England footballing legend; who isn't quite as a good at managing as he was at playing, having no man management or tactical skills.  He also "slips" up and costs his favourite team another title on the last day.

After some rousing speeches to stir the players and fans like "we can't expect to come to places like Chelsea and win", it'll prove another wasted appointment, another ex-player who can't coach. 

Then someone will have a brainwave, and do something that no Villa Chairman has considered doing for awhile.  They could appoint a manager with a long track record of success, who is also a serious coach, tactician and manager.  This amazing alchemy has the effect of achieving amazing results, and in around 11 years time, we'll probably be back in Europe, and challenging for a Champions League spot, with our best squad of players since 1982.

Wild speculation, I know.

Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Mister E on February 25, 2013, 07:25:12 AM
I think we will see a major change in the football landscape over the next decade.  I can definitely see the formation of a European Super League (foreign TV rights will be the issue that paves the way for it) leaving behind a more competitive if not as high profile top flight in England. 
I agree that this is a strong possibility. Villa can then re-emerge as a strong domestic club, albeit  selling its best to the Euro-dollar League teams.
Maybe the EPL and the Scottish Premier will have merged by 2023, too, to offset the loss of the "Sky Five" to Europe.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: NiiLamptey on February 25, 2013, 07:56:06 AM
We may go down, Randy decides to cut his losses at the start of summer and we are purchased by a billionaire with money to burn and a desire to compete with the best in the world... we bounce back gunning for the champions league

As a statement of intent he signs the likes of Messi, Xavi, Ronaldo and  Van Persie to join us in the championship

BTW Dont see the point in this thread
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 25, 2013, 08:39:27 AM
I don't see why people are so convinced a European super league will happen. The domestic leagues now are still a big enough cash cow, particularly for those countries without collective rights. The powers that be at Man Utd etc don't want competitive fixtures week in week out. They want to spend most of their time smashing weaker and poorer opponents so we can marvel at the talents of RVP, Rooney et al with perhaps 5 or 6 genuinely competitive tussles a season on Sky super duper Sunday. Never underestimate our appeal as an also ran. Someone's got to be.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Ads on February 25, 2013, 08:57:23 AM
Top flight, mid-table.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: UK Redsox on February 25, 2013, 09:17:08 AM


BTW Dont see the point in this thread

This is the internet, its meant to be mostly pointless.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Ads on February 25, 2013, 09:19:22 AM
Within the next three years, we'll be in the top six again, under Lambert.

So within ten years we will be 16th again for a season or two!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 25, 2013, 10:31:11 AM
I don't know why people continually go on about a European super league being the future when for all intents and purposes we have one already called Champions league. 
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 25, 2013, 11:12:45 AM
This was always a fairly pointless thread (with respect to the otiginal poster of course) as it was always going to be a split between the pessimists (League One at best) and the optimists (Premier League and back where we should be), which is going on in just about every single thread in HD at the moment.

Carry on if you like but I'm getting mightily bored with thread after thread of "We're shit", "No we're not".
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2013, 11:23:12 AM
We seem to think of ourselves as a 'mid-table', top half club. But if you look at our history since 1987 it is very odd! We tend to either challenge at the very top (today's top six) or struggle against relegation. We can be second one year, relegation strugglers the next, escape artists one season top four the following year. We have rarely been a genuine 'mid table' team that finished 12th to 8th. We've either been very good or very shit. We'll also have about three to four European campaigns every decade or so with a couple of cup finals thrown in.

Therefore, let me predict:
By 2023 we will have played in Europe again a few times and will have flirted with the top four for a few seasons. We might add a cup (probably a League Cup). We will also come very close to the drop a couple of times (and may even drop for a year or two) but because of our size recovery will happen organically. Our average league position for that decade will be about 11th but, as with the pattern of the past 25 years, the reality will be more complex as there will have been more 6th and 16th placings than actual 11th.

Does that make any sense?

Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Jimbo on February 25, 2013, 11:27:20 AM
I don't see why people are so convinced a European super league will happen. The domestic leagues now are still a big enough cash cow, particularly for those countries without collective rights. The powers that be at Man Utd etc don't want competitive fixtures week in week out. They want to spend most of their time smashing weaker and poorer opponents so we can marvel at the talents of RVP, Rooney et al with perhaps 5 or 6 genuinely competitive tussles a season on Sky super duper Sunday. Never underestimate our appeal as an also ran. Someone's got to be.

Is the correct answer. The lesser clubs are needed to top up the brand, because otherwise people would get bored of seeing Arsenal and Man City looking ordinary in the European Super League every week.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Drummond on February 25, 2013, 11:48:18 AM
I don't think I'll be bothered, I'll have a nine year old who will probably be a Sheffield United fan and I'll have lost the will to live following Villa for all those years.

We will probably have been relegated and won our first piece of silverware (the Championship title or Play-Off Final), we'll have a season where we dare to dream and then fall off and finish 9th. Then a season where we thought we'd be relegated and finish, 9th. Then a season where we think we'll finish 9th and finish 9th. And we'll all be arguing the same old shit on here for days, weeks and months on end.

Plus we'll remember the 40th anniversary of having won the European Cup, which will have returned as a splinter tournament run by the teams that haven't defected from their own countries to form the Blatter Trophy sponsored by Ford/Amstel/Continental.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 25, 2013, 12:09:09 PM
In answer to the original post, here is my summing up.

'It's 5 O'Clock, time for Sports Report.' Der der der der der der deedeedede etc.

'And we start as always with the classfied football results, read to you by James Alexander-Gordon.' 

Four minutes in.

'Uniform Dating Vauxhall Conference, Aston Villa 1 Altrincham 1'.

Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 25, 2013, 12:13:36 PM
Four minutes in.

'Uniform Dating Vauxhall Conference, Aston Villa 1 Altrincham 1'.


No chance.

Altrincham are cack, they'll not be in The Conference.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 25, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
I like them. Can anybody guess why?
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 25, 2013, 12:36:57 PM
I like them. Can anybody guess why?

Beating that lot is not a sign of greatness.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 25, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
I think it's impossible to tell, but I suspect we'll be in top division.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 25, 2013, 01:45:38 PM
I like them. Can anybody guess why?

I like Kidderminster too.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: placeforparks on February 25, 2013, 01:50:25 PM
there is a probably a thread on a leeds united message board from 2004 asking the exact same question.

and i bet none of them were right.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Ads on February 25, 2013, 01:51:44 PM
We've spent most of our history in the top division and we will continue to stay there.

Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: ktvillan on February 25, 2013, 04:53:43 PM
I've no idea, but [pedant alert] it does grate with me when people use "begs the question"  when they mean "raises the question"  or "invites the question".

KT - does it annoy you when so many football writers and commentators use 'ironically' when they mean 'coincidentally'?

It does me

A little but, for no apparent reason, not so much as some other misuses. An awful lot of people, not all of them American,  don't seem to know what irony or ironically really means.

Back on topic, I think there is now such a lack of genuine competition in the Spanish league, where it's a two horse race plus cannon fodder,  and the English league where it's at best a 3 horse race plus cannon fodder,  that unless the mega rich branch off into their own euro league, interest will seriously start to wane.   Personally I'd love to see Manyew, citeh and oligarch fc feck orff into the sunset with Franco FC and Barca, and then we can have a proper competitive league again where any of a reasonable number of clubs could, if well run and managed, realistically challenge for the title.   I think that's where it's heading, and I'll be happy when it does, as long as what's left is run in such a way as to keep the playing field fairly level.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2013, 05:27:10 PM


Back on topic, I think there is now such a lack of genuine competition in the Spanish league, where it's a two horse race plus cannon fodder,  and the English league where it's at best a 3 horse race plus cannon fodder,  that unless the mega rich branch off into their own euro league, interest will seriously start to wane.   Personally I'd love to see Manyew, citeh and oligarch fc feck orff into the sunset with Franco FC and Barca, and then we can have a proper competitive league again where any of a reasonable number of clubs could, if well run and managed, realistically challenge for the title.   I think that's where it's heading, and I'll be happy when it does, as long as what's left is run in such a way as to keep the playing field fairly level.

I think you've highlighted the reason why there won't be a Euro-League. Apart from Real Madrid, Catalan Albion & one, maybe two italian clubs, the rest of Europe doesn't offer anything to our top three in the way of increased revenue that the Premier League doesn't already give them.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: supertom on February 25, 2013, 05:45:17 PM
We'll be MK Villa, playing in in the lower reaches of non-league Football.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2013, 05:55:48 PM
There's about to be a Euro league for 40 years now. Didn't Shankly say there'd be one within 10 years and we'd be in it when we were in the 3rd division? The Champions Cheats Cup is the closest it will ever go to happening. 
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: TopDeck113 on February 25, 2013, 06:11:38 PM
We will probably have been relegated and won our first piece of silverware (the Championship title or Play-Off Final), we'll have a season where we dare to dream and then fall off and finish 9th. Then a season where we thought we'd be relegated and finish, 9th. Then a season where we think we'll finish 9th and finish 9th. And we'll all be arguing the same old shit on here for days, weeks and months on end.

Probably about the most depressing - and accurate - prediction on here. 

Some days I just wish the answer to "Dad, dad, dad... When will you take us to a Villa game?" had been, "Listen, boys, you know I'm not that fussed about football and can't really be bothered to take you, stand on an open terrace and waste my Saturday afternoon. "
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: darren woolley on February 25, 2013, 06:58:29 PM
We will be a mid table team in the Premier League with a few good cup runs thrown in.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 25, 2013, 07:10:30 PM
We will be a mid table team in the Premier League with a few good cup runs thrown in.
That's progress from where we are now.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 25, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
Tell you what, i really hope I still support the Villa in ten years' time.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Legion on February 25, 2013, 08:54:29 PM
You will.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: brian green on February 25, 2013, 09:01:24 PM
I will not let you stop.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: danlanza on February 25, 2013, 09:07:22 PM
I will be still wearing my Villa top with pride, and every fucker else can kiss my arse.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Legion on February 25, 2013, 09:08:32 PM
I will not let you stop.

Great parenting there.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: tomd2103 on February 25, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
I don't see why people are so convinced a European super league will happen. The domestic leagues now are still a big enough cash cow, particularly for those countries without collective rights. The powers that be at Man Utd etc don't want competitive fixtures week in week out. They want to spend most of their time smashing weaker and poorer opponents so we can marvel at the talents of RVP, Rooney et al with perhaps 5 or 6 genuinely competitive tussles a season on Sky super duper Sunday. Never underestimate our appeal as an also ran. Someone's got to be.

Finances could dictate it.  I can see the issue of foreign TV rights becoming a big one in England over the next few years.  Surely it's only a matter of time before the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea start to question why they receive the same amount of foreign TV money as every other club in the league (though I guess they still receive money through their own respective channels) and look at other options.  Money runs the game these days plain and simple.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 25, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
I don't see why people are so convinced a European super league will happen. The domestic leagues now are still a big enough cash cow, particularly for those countries without collective rights. The powers that be at Man Utd etc don't want competitive fixtures week in week out. They want to spend most of their time smashing weaker and poorer opponents so we can marvel at the talents of RVP, Rooney et al with perhaps 5 or 6 genuinely competitive tussles a season on Sky super duper Sunday. Never underestimate our appeal as an also ran. Someone's got to be.

Finances could dictate it.  I can see the issue of foreign TV rights becoming a big one in England over the next few years.  Surely it's only a matter of time before the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea start to question why they receive the same amount of foreign TV money as every other club in the league (though I guess they still receive money through their own respective channels) and look at other options.  Money runs the game these days plain and simple.

Personally I think in that scenario the rest of the prem, us included, will bend over and accept anything they suggest for fear if them quitting rather than them actually doing it.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2013, 10:28:12 PM
I don't think I'll be bothered, I'll have a nine year old who will probably be a Sheffield United fan and I'll have lost the will to live following Villa for all those years.

We will probably have been relegated and won our first piece of silverware (the Championship title or Play-Off Final), we'll have a season where we dare to dream and then fall off and finish 9th. Then a season where we thought we'd be relegated and finish, 9th. Then a season where we think we'll finish 9th and finish 9th. And we'll all be arguing the same old shit on here for days, weeks and months on end.

Plus we'll remember the 40th anniversary of having won the European Cup, which will have returned as a splinter tournament run by the teams that haven't defected from their own countries to form the Blatter Trophy sponsored by Ford/Amstel/Continental.

Yeah it'll be the same as it's every been in my liftetime following the villa. I'd imagine they'd be a couple of flirtations with relegation (although I do actually think we'll go down at some point) and a couple of flirations with the top 4/6 before we finish 6th-9th like we usually do when we have a decent team.

One thing's for certain we're not going to win the league (and probably not the FA cup...).

10 years ago we were about to lose at home to SHA on 03/3/03 and were in a relegation battle. Dunno if things are worse now or then which is pretty poor given we actually had the long awaited takeover.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2013, 10:46:08 PM
Ten years from now ?
We will be debating about getting rid of Lambert. Despite winning the treble in 2020, we haven't won a major trophy for the previous two seasons. A poll is opened on H & V about who should be brought in - Stiliyan Petrov is the run away favourite having carved out such a great managerial career with both Celtic and the Bulgarian national team.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: olaftab on February 26, 2013, 12:19:10 AM
Regular Champions Leaguers!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: martin o`who?? on February 26, 2013, 08:16:44 AM
I honestly fear for us if RL stays for much longer, i do believe he has the clubs interests at heart, but, as weve seen, he just makes dodgy decisions, Championship mid table jobbie i reckon, however, if he were to sell to someone with a bit of ambition, which he has plainly lost, it could be Premiership also-rans, but i cant see us being a serious threat anytime soon - Very depressing.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: ktvillan on February 26, 2013, 09:27:33 AM


Back on topic, I think there is now such a lack of genuine competition in the Spanish league, where it's a two horse race plus cannon fodder,  and the English league where it's at best a 3 horse race plus cannon fodder,  that unless the mega rich branch off into their own euro league, interest will seriously start to wane.   Personally I'd love to see Manyew, citeh and oligarch fc feck orff into the sunset with Franco FC and Barca, and then we can have a proper competitive league again where any of a reasonable number of clubs could, if well run and managed, realistically challenge for the title.   I think that's where it's heading, and I'll be happy when it does, as long as what's left is run in such a way as to keep the playing field fairly level.

I think you've highlighted the reason why there won't be a Euro-League. Apart from Real Madrid, Catalan Albion & one, maybe two italian clubs, the rest of Europe doesn't offer anything to our top three in the way of increased revenue that the Premier League doesn't already give them.

Thinking about it a bit more, you're and a few others above are probably right.   I suppose the impetus for a super league is unlikely to come from the bigger clubs as they are no doubt  content with being perennially at the top of the food chain, making mega bucks and only having 2 or 3 clubs to beat domestically, and about 6 or 7 across Europe, for regular trophy wins.   Any impetus for a super league should come from the cannon fodder, fed up at just making up the numbers and having little or no chance of competing at the top level.  In a sane world they should demand equal TV income and prize money or withdraw their participation.  However the recent vote on the spending cap indicates that the cannon fodder are content to be just that indefinitely, as long as they can partake of the riches of the Premier League.   Sad that clubs are more interested in generating cash than being competitive, especially when very few of them even manage to make a profit in the process.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 26, 2013, 09:27:36 AM
I think the key fact is whether Lerner is still in charge, I can't really see any hope of improvement if he is.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: tomd2103 on February 27, 2013, 12:05:41 AM
I honestly fear for us if RL stays for much longer, i do believe he has the clubs interests at heart, but, as weve seen, he just makes dodgy decisions, Championship mid table jobbie i reckon, however, if he were to sell to someone with a bit of ambition, which he has plainly lost, it could be Premiership also-rans, but i cant see us being a serious threat anytime soon - Very depressing.

Or if he brought someone who actually knew how to run a football club then we might be OK.  I mean look what Swansea have achieved in ten years. 
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2013, 09:00:39 AM
In ten years time, I wager Swansea will be a "remember when they were in the top flight?" club.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Irish villain on February 27, 2013, 10:25:19 AM
Had a nightmare last night....

Yup, we went down. I was with Fergal in the dream as we watched Wigan beat Man City as we could only draw with some non-descript shit team. It was horrible and so vivid.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: tomd2103 on February 27, 2013, 04:09:26 PM
In ten years time, I wager Swansea will be a "remember when they were in the top flight?" club.

It happened to them before, so could well happen again.  What I meant was that in ten years they have gone from staying in the Football League on the last day of the season to where they are now and have done it through a bit of forward thinking when it has come to managerial appointments, the way the club is run and the style of football they play.  If we could apply a similar approach (if we had done it when Lerner first arrived we wouldn't be in this current mess) then we could be in a decent place in ten years.     
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 27, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
In the prem . After dropping to Division two in 4 seasons and then working our way back up with Guardiola as manager  and Bill Gates as new owner since 2017 .
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on February 27, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
It is impossible to know, I mean we might see King Williams and Prime Minister Cameron do a deal with one of super rich businessman to buy Aston Villa in return of the right for some new fad invention. He might have the wealth to outspend Chelsea and Manchester City.

I don't even know what I will be doing in 13 years time. I mean if you told me I will be dancing with lot of pretty ladies and travelling a lot and work as postman in 13 years time when I am 27 I wouldn't believe you.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: eastie on February 27, 2013, 06:20:55 PM
It is impossible to know, I mean we might see King Williams and Prime Minister Cameron do a deal with one of super rich businessman to buy Aston Villa in return of the right for some new fad invention. He might have the wealth to outspend Chelsea and Manchester City.

I don't even know what I will be doing in 13 years time. I mean if you told me I will be dancing with lot of pretty ladies and travelling a lot and work as postman in 13 years time when I am 27 I wouldn't believe you.


You will still be dancing the night away Michael,  you old rascal!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 21, 2024, 02:36:58 AM
SUPERBUMP

I wouldn't normally bump a thread this old, but this is now just over 10 years (nearly 11) since the start of the thread.

Did anyone guess that we'd be owned by and Egyptian and American billionaire, and managed by a Basque genius; currently in The Top 4 and winning an FA Cup tie?
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 21, 2024, 07:35:34 AM
Irish Villain, Fergal and me are in tears right now, thinking of the lack of January business and the new badge. Salt tears.

Come for the scoops, stay for the friendly atmosphere and lively banter. Biscuits.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2024, 11:52:01 AM
Salsa Party Animal! What a frickin' legend. Hope he made it to Blackpool Tower Ballroom.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2024, 12:01:17 PM
SUPERBUMP

I wouldn't normally bump a thread this old, but this is now just over 10 years (nearly 11) since the start of the thread.

Did anyone guess that we'd be owned by and Egyptian and American billionaire, and managed by a Basque genius; currently in The Top 4 and winning an FA Cup tie?

All that, yes, would have been totally guessable.

Beating Man United at home, though......
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Mellin on January 21, 2024, 04:38:43 PM
I don't think I'll be bothered, I'll have a nine year old who will probably be a Sheffield United fan and I'll have lost the will to live following Villa for all those years.

We will probably have been relegated and won our first piece of silverware (the Championship title or Play-Off Final), we'll have a season where we dare to dream and then fall off and finish 9th. Then a season where we thought we'd be relegated and finish, 9th. Then a season where we think we'll finish 9th and finish 9th. And we'll all be arguing the same old shit on here for days, weeks and months on end.

Plus we'll remember the 40th anniversary of having won the European Cup, which will have returned as a splinter tournament run by the teams that haven't defected from their own countries to form the Blatter Trophy sponsored by Ford/Amstel/Continental.

Great shout in the middle paragraph.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 21, 2024, 05:08:39 PM
Actually, reading back - it's incredible how much I got right.   :o

Page 4!
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Bad English on January 22, 2024, 05:55:30 AM
2034. I will be retired and singing 'ten times we've won it...'
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Scratchins on January 22, 2024, 09:09:20 AM
Actually, reading back - it's incredible how much I got right.   :o

Page 4!


Ha brilliant. I was impressed until I saw the edit date.  ;D
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2024, 10:39:39 AM
In ten years time, I wager Swansea will be a "remember when they were in the top flight?" club.

Spot on there
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2024, 11:20:47 AM
In ten years time, I wager Swansea will be a "remember when they were in the top flight?" club.

Spot on there

Said 3 days after they won the League Cup. Which makes today 11 years after the semi-final.

Next up in 2034, Brentford. I'll be glad to have forgotten that sub-Pulis Stoke garbage.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2024, 11:32:35 AM
At that time, Luton were in the Conference.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Dave P on January 22, 2024, 11:00:35 PM
Did anybody predict back then that our next trophy is likely be a European tournament that didn’t even exist then?
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 22, 2024, 11:17:08 PM
Did anybody predict back then that our next trophy is likely be a European tournament that didn’t even exist then?

I did.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 23, 2024, 12:23:04 PM
10 years from now.
There will be some form of International super league. Or more than 1.
Games will be played in multiple countries. Middle East , USA, Far East.
We will be on our way out of Villa Park if we haven’t moved already.

Blose will be intergalactic overlords.
Title: Re: Where will we be in a decade's time?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2024, 12:32:07 PM
With the Randy Ski Instructor long since sacked.
SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal