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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on February 02, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
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Forgetting how we threw the game away today, I think wins at Liverpool and Sunderland, draws at Newcastle, Swansea, WBA and Everton are 'on paper' decent results.
Even under McLeish we seemed to play better* away from home.
*still not very good.
I don't really enjoy going to home games and haven't enjoyed them for a while.
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Don't know about Villa Park being part of the problem but our home form certainly is.
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I think it went downhill when we stopped playing Hi-Ho Silver Lining. Seriously, I thought we had it when we did well under MON then stopped playing it after, and we've done shit.
Bring back Jeff Beck I say.
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Absolutely.
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Our football is too agricultural for the smooth surface and wide open expanse of the Villa manor.
That, and our players are shit-scared that the crowd will call them nasty names if they lose the ball.
Our away record will be better this season again. Season ticket holders have been shortchanged since MON's second season.
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They need to bring back 'Escape'. On numerous levels.
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No, the problem is that we're not very good.
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Since the start of last season our home record in the league is
W6 D11 L14 F29 A43
Whatever the reason, it's not a record that is going to keep a club up year after year.
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And I dread to think what it's like since the Norwich game last season. I'm too scared to look it up.
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I've thought for some time that it is part of the problem.
The amount of moaning and groaning and f ing and blinding at players is seriously demoralising.
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defo. this side can't deal with any kind of pressure and its exacerbated playing in front of home fans
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It ain't good son. 3 wins at Villa Park since bonfire night, 2011.
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It just isn't good enough we really need to start getting wins on board at home.
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Last person to score from open play at villa park was weimann against man ure. THAT is the problem
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Another "let's state the bleedin' obvious" thread ?
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Well we seem to be losing at home and drawing / throwing away wins away, so it does look like playing at VP is an issue. I think it's because our forwards get a bit more space to operate away from home so they are more likely to offset the goal haemorrhageing at the other end.
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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Might be a bit more intimidating to teams in the Championship? Or will they just raise their game?
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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And we lost that one! The team needs to raise their game. We are paying to see them, they are being paid to play in front of us!
So there!
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I think Lambert and players were aware of this when he was first appointed. Hence the moving of the dug-out and talk of 'getting fans on baord', getting the ground 'rocking'.
It's like there's a palpable sense of dread around the club.
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Our home record has been poor for years. We have only won over 10 home games in a season twice in the last 10 years. That is a terrible stat.
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The biggest worry for me is that our main attacking threat comes via counter-attacks.
So while on paper, Everton away should be much tougher than West Ham at home, the game today suited us in an attacking sense (see also recent away games at West Brom and Swansea) as our game plan was pretty much to soak-up home pressure and break with pace when possible.
When we have to take games to the opposition - i.e. at home against most sides when the onus is on us to attack, we struggle to create due to the lack of space (see Newcastle game during the week where we dominated possession for the second half but only had a goal from a penalty to show for it).
This was true even going back to MON but we were lethal at set-pieces in those days which won us a lot of games at VP. Now, we're awful at defending and attacking set-plays and the counter-attack is still our only real weapon to hurt teams which can't be used so much at home.
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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And we lost that one! The team needs to raise their game. We are paying to see them, they are being paid to play in front of us!
So there!
You know what I mean! It was a good performance. The whole reason playing at home is seen as an advantage is because the fans can spur the team on. As I say, the atmosphere at VP is just drab and uninspiring.
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I've never understood why teams think they have to play different home and away. These are highly paid professionals, who should be able to go about their job in the same manner regardless of their surroundings.
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Last person to score from open play at villa park was weimann against man ure. THAT is the problem
That is quite frankly terrifying.
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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And we lost that one! The team needs to raise their game. We are paying to see them, they are being paid to play in front of us!
So there!
You know what I mean! It was a good performance. The whole reason playing at home is seen as an advantage is because the fans can spur the team on. As I say, the atmosphere at VP is just drab and uninspiring.
Well bloody change it then ffs. You lot pay your money to watch the games live so back the fucking team then and create some sort of atmosphere. There is more atmosphere in my local!! 2000 fucking miles away. Get behind the team and the club and stop fucking moaning when you could be part of the fucking problem. Back the lads on the fucking pitch for 90 mins and you will see a big difference. Get a fucking grip and support your team like life depends on it. Rant fucking over. UTV
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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And we lost that one! The team needs to raise their game. We are paying to see them, they are being paid to play in front of us!
So there!
You know what I mean! It was a good performance. The whole reason playing at home is seen as an advantage is because the fans can spur the team on. As I say, the atmosphere at VP is just drab and uninspiring.
Of course I do Neo - but I wish these highly paid blighters would show some passion and professional pride.
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Might be a bit more intimidating to teams in the Championship? Or will they just raise their game?
We're not down yet - and we won't be gong down full stop if we can sort out our home form. Would a galvanised Villa Park help? Yes - we need to make it a fortress over the next couple of months.
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Well bloody change it then ffs. You lot pay your money to watch the games live so back the fucking team then and create some sort of atmosphere. There is more atmosphere in my local!! 2000 fucking miles away. Get behind the team and the club and stop fucking moaning when you could be part of the fucking problem. Back the lads on the fucking pitch for 90 mins and you will see a big difference. Get a fucking grip and support your team like life depends on it. Rant fucking over. UTV
Would if I could mate. Live too far to make it regularly. But always get behind the players during my rare forays to VP.
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Well bloody change it then ffs. You lot pay your money to watch the games live so back the fucking team then and create some sort of atmosphere. There is more atmosphere in my local!! 2000 fucking miles away. Get behind the team and the club and stop fucking moaning when you could be part of the fucking problem. Back the lads on the fucking pitch for 90 mins and you will see a big difference. Get a fucking grip and support your team like life depends on it. Rant fucking over. UTV
Would if I could mate. Live too far to make it regularly. But always get behind the players during my rare forays to VP.
Fair play neo. Keep it up and we will make a difference, even me shouting at a telly miles away. We need to back our lads and just hope.
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Our home fans are very passive (other than the obvious parts of the Holte End). Think the safe standing would help.
Now I am going to be controversial - singing 'Shit on the City' does not, has not and will never help our team on the pitch. It is a distasteful song which is misinterpreted by many opposing fans and those who sing it are as small minded as the Neanderthals 5km or so away. Yes they are.
Singing 'In the Bar' about the greatest player I ever seen in a Villa shirt constant battle with alcoholism does not, has not and will never ever help our team on the pitch. It could be modified slightly without reference to alcohol and could be a great song.
Singling out specific players for harsh treatment does not help - I remember Alan Wright (a solid journeyman) getting berated one season whilst Star Signing Stan Collymore was lauded for his non performances which made Wright's contribution look ok. Even Ireland who I hold in utter contempt would never be booed by myself during a game.
Booing prior to final whistle. Tom Ross used to bang on about this (he may still do I don't listen to him) so even a broken clock is right twice a day. Do it at the end of the match by all means not during or even before.
Finally the whole Stan thing. Yep we support him, yep we are 'great' for doing it but at the end the day he is well, very well looked after as is his family and I hope he continues to gets better. He is a multi million pound footballer with the best Healthcare so is in good hands.
On the pitch we have missed him the last year. But please stop this Dianaesque tribute to him every game - he knows we are compassionate but I think at the moment it reinforces to the current crop an unfulfilled gap in the squad. It doesn't help.
Villa Park is a Great Football Stadium (previously Ground) - it always has been, it always will be. Even our nearest and not so dearest neighbours from Small Heath, Sandwell and Wolverhampton would readily admit that. Most fans I have known of other teams and outside the West Midlands be they Spurs, Hammers, Liverpool, Sheffiled clubs etc.. concur almost to a person.
We need to make it a pro Villa fortress again. Not anti others.
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Our home record has been poor for years. We have only won over 10 home games in a season twice in the last 10 years. That is a terrible stat.
Jeeps that is terrible
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Posted a few weeks ago...
Season, wins and ave attendance
11/12 4 wins 33873
10/11 8 wins 37194
09/10 8 wins 38573
08/09 7 wins 39812
07/08 10 wins 40029
06/07 7 wins 36214
05/06 6 wins 34112
04/05 8 wins 37354
03/04 9 wins 36622
02/03 11 wins 34975
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There's a collective tension from both team and crowd at Villa Park now. We're all under a cloud.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Let's make it good for our team first and then sort out the away teams. At the moment it is neither.
I remember a game way way back in 1995 and we played Arsenal and we sung Boring boring Arsenal to them as they passed it between their back 5 and their fans cheers and clapped us in an ironic manner. Platt them scored for them. And there was a constant repetiiton of Brian Little's Claret and Blue army for 10-15 mins - the Holte End in full voice - I was sitting in the recently refurbished Lower Witton Lane near the Gunners and the noise was brilliant.
Yorkie promptly equalised.
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I can not remember a season since 95/96 where we have been dominate at home. Even the 3 6th place fishes under O'Nail were based on lot of away wins with home games mostly draws. (i await someone with stats to put me right?)
So may be VP is a problem.
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With one of the widest pitches in the EPL we probably should be making more use of wingers at home, even if as an early substitution tactic.
but it's been a problem for several seasons.
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We have been a better team away in recent years , we seem to struggle badly at home and this should not be the case .
It should be a fortress like goodison but we seem to get turned over far too easily.
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Our home fans are very passive (other than the obvious parts of the Holte End). Think the safe standing would help.
Now I am going to be controversial - singing 'Shit on the City' does not, has not and will never help our team on the pitch. It is a distasteful song which is misinterpreted by many opposing fans and those who sing it are as small minded as the Neanderthals 5km or so away. Yes they are.
Singing 'In the Bar' about the greatest player I ever seen in a Villa shirt constant battle with alcoholism does not, has not and will never ever help our team on the pitch. It could be modified slightly without reference to alcohol and could be a great song.
Singling out specific players for harsh treatment does not help - I remember Alan Wright (a solid journeyman) getting berated one season whilst Star Signing Stan Collymore was lauded for his non performances which made Wright's contribution look ok. Even Ireland who I hold in utter contempt would never be booed by myself during a game.
Booing prior to final whistle. Tom Ross used to bang on about this (he may still do I don't listen to him) so even a broken clock is right twice a day. Do it at the end of the match by all means not during or even before.
Finally the whole Stan thing. Yep we support him, yep we are 'great' for doing it but at the end the day he is well, very well looked after as is his family and I hope he continues to gets better. He is a multi million pound footballer with the best Healthcare so is in good hands.
On the pitch we have missed him the last year. But please stop this Dianaesque tribute to him every game - he knows we are compassionate but I think at the moment it reinforces to the current crop an unfulfilled gap in the squad. It doesn't help.
Villa Park is a Great Football Stadium (previously Ground) - it always has been, it always will be. Even our nearest and not so dearest neighbours from Small Heath, Sandwell and Wolverhampton would readily admit that. Most fans I have known of other teams and outside the West Midlands be they Spurs, Hammers, Liverpool, Sheffiled clubs etc.. concur almost to a person.
We need to make it a pro Villa fortress again. Not anti others.
Couldn't agree more.
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I heard back in the autumn that the manager and players didn't like playing at home due to the moaning from the crowd when players misplaced a pass and that they preferred away games.
It is true that we can moan with the best but as I said to the source of this rumour at the time, Villa isn't Norwich and if the manager can't hack it he best fuck off. Managing big clubs brings it's own problems and one of those is winning over the crowd, and the best way to do this is to get results. He isn't so we aren't.
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I've thought for some time that it is part of the problem.
The amount of moaning and groaning and f ing and blinding at players is seriously demoralising.
Yeah, blame the supporters.
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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And we lost that one! The team needs to raise their game. We are paying to see them, they are being paid to play in front of us!
So there!
Exactly.
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I've thought for some time that it is part of the problem.
The amount of moaning and groaning and f ing and blinding at players is seriously demoralising.
Yeah, blame the supporters.
It doesn't matter how much someone earns, it doesn't stop them from being human, of course the moaning and groaning affects them. I'm not saying the sole responsibility lies with the fans, but we do have an impact.
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We always struggled to dominate teams here, even with a decent O Neill side. It's very rare we dictate games, even against so called lesser opposition. We've probably been more effective away from home for the best part of 6 years, maybe more. Frankly I can't be arsed to find O Leary's stats, but I don't remember VP being a fortress by any means.
Sir Grahams second stint we were far better at home than we were away. Not exactly a fortress but it was our home form which ultimately kept us up. Ultimately it'll be that which sends us down this season.
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I've thought for some time that it is part of the problem.
The amount of moaning and groaning and f ing and blinding at players is seriously demoralising.
Yeah, blame the supporters.
It doesn't matter how much someone earns, it doesn't stop them from being human, of course the moaning and groaning affects them. I'm not saying the sole responsibility lies with the fans, but we do have an impact.
The thing is that the team has to lead with this. It might just be that because the team has been so shit at home for so long that the fans' patience is very thin. And I agree with Nev, if Lambert and the players can't hack it they should do one.
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I've thought for some time that it is part of the problem.
The amount of moaning and groaning and f ing and blinding at players is seriously demoralising.
Yeah, blame the supporters.
It doesn't matter how much someone earns, it doesn't stop them from being human, of course the moaning and groaning affects them. I'm not saying the sole responsibility lies with the fans, but we do have an impact.
The thing is that the team has to lead with this. It might just be that because the team has been so shit at home for so long that the fans' patience is very thin. And I agree with Nev, if Lambert and the players can't hack it they should do one.
Agreed stu.
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I've thought for some time that it is part of the problem.
The amount of moaning and groaning and f ing and blinding at players is seriously demoralising.
Yeah, blame the supporters.
It doesn't matter how much someone earns, it doesn't stop them from being human, of course the moaning and groaning affects them. I'm not saying the sole responsibility lies with the fans, but we do have an impact.
The thing is that the team has to lead with this. It might just be that because the team has been so shit at home for so long that the fans' patience is very thin. And I agree with Nev, if Lambert and the players can't hack it they should do one.
Then we're essentially at a psychological Mexican stand off and the only loser will be the club and the fans. If we blame the players and manager, they blame us, then someone has to be the bigger (wo)man, take a step back nd do the right thing and I say that the fans are the bigger person. Sing, party, happy shiney people, lets all have a disco, cry two tears in a bucket, fuckit, lets take it to the stage...
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No it is not.
Systems and players are the problem.
If we can get Benteke, Gabby, Charlie and Andi playing and in a system that lets us use their pace with genuine width, then we will stretch sides, get more ball in the box with a greater chance of squaring up the opposition back four and more than likely square goals.
If Gabby and Andi play wide against West Ham, with Charlie in the hole, then I guarantee (Crocodile from the Racoons stylee) that we will beat West Ham.
That attack is top eight.
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With no disrespect to Stan, but clapping every game on the 19th minute doesn't help, its like you brother telling you your moms ill and might die every week end I think it causes depression at Villa Park.
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Perhaps it is the size of the pitch as there aren't many as large as VP. Perhaps the club should look into it as there is definitely a problem.
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Perhaps it is the size of the pitch as there aren't many as large as VP. Perhaps the club should look into it as there is definitely a problem.
I think somebody posted measurements at the start of the season and it turned out most pitches are in fact the same size.
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With no disrespect to Stan, but clapping every game on the 19th minute doesn't help, its like you brother telling you your moms ill and might die every week end I think it causes depression at Villa Park.
Completely agree - it is an absolute nonsense.
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The thing is that the team has to lead with this. It might just be that because the team has been so shit at home for so long that the fans' patience is very thin. And I agree with Nev, if Lambert and the players can't hack it they should do one.
The team has taken the lead in away games. And the fans respond with chants of 'how shit must you be, we're winning away'. If they do it at home, there'll be 30,000 fans singing 'how shit must you be, we're winning at home'.
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The thing is that the team has to lead with this. It might just be that because the team has been so shit at home for so long that the fans' patience is very thin. And I agree with Nev, if Lambert and the players can't hack it they should do one.
The team has taken the lead in away games. And the fans respond with chants of 'how shit must you be, we're winning away'. If they do it at home, there'll be 30,000 fans singing 'how shit must you be, we're winning at home'.
I'm sure that chant does nothing for the team at all. It may wind up the home fans but is just like singing that we are crap.
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I've thought for some time that it is part of the problem.
The amount of moaning and groaning and f ing and blinding at players is seriously demoralising.
Yeah, blame the supporters.
It might be demoralising but there have been plenty of games over the last three seasons where long, loud and sustained support hasn't had the opposite effect.
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The Villa Park argument might have legs if grounds like Goodison Park, Old Trafford, The Emirates, Stamford Bridge and Łastland$ were bear bits with constant walls of noise throughout 90 minutes, intimidating the away support and players alike. But, that just isn't the case is it? They just have good players, good management and organised teams.
In fact, I can't think of any ground, bar Stoke about 3 years ago, when I I've thought "bloody hell, these are noisy buggers"
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Has anyone ever looked at the stats for Tony Barton's reign? Our home form was absolutely amazing, yet our away form was utterly woeful.
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With one of the widest pitches in the EPL we probably should be making more use of wingers at home, even if as an early substitution tactic.
but it's been a problem for several seasons.
Or if Lambert knew he would be playing narrow he should have requested the pitch was reduced to the minimum allowed size.
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what a load of bolocks its got nothing to do with the crowd,its becourse the manager and team are shit
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The thing is that the team has to lead with this. It might just be that because the team has been so shit at home for so long that the fans' patience is very thin. And I agree with Nev, if Lambert and the players can't hack it they should do one.
The team has taken the lead in away games. And the fans respond with chants of 'how shit must you be, we're winning away'. If they do it at home, there'll be 30,000 fans singing 'how shit must you be, we're winning at home'.
I'm sure that chant does nothing for the team at all. It may wind up the home fans but is just like singing that we are crap.
Its basically saying we are shit and yet we are beating you - no point to it at all, similar to the ludicrous empty seats my lord.
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So we have to get behind the team no matter how poor the fare?
You mean like last Tuesday then when the end of the first half was met with a rumble of disapproval and as soon as they started coming forwards in the second half they were roared on but didn't get a point? Then at the end there was applause for their effort if not the result.
We are playing our part - we are still there.
VP has always been an odd beast noise-wise but all you complaining about not singing/supporting must be tucked away in the Upper Holte then?
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what a load of bolocks its got nothing to do with the crowd,its becourse the manager and team are shit
Yup, the loudest grounds I've ever been to were Ayresome Park and Elland Rd, they've both stopped paying big wages and are in the second division.
The atmosphere against Bradford was incredible, it didn't do much good, you get a good team by paying shit loads of money to the players. No more no less.
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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And we lost that one! The team needs to raise their game. We are paying to see them, they are being paid to play in front of us!
So there!
You know what I mean! It was a good performance. The whole reason playing at home is seen as an advantage is because the fans can spur the team on. As I say, the atmosphere at VP is just drab and uninspiring.
Well bloody change it then ffs. You lot pay your money to watch the games live so back the fucking team then and create some sort of atmosphere. There is more atmosphere in my local!! 2000 fucking miles away. Get behind the team and the club and stop fucking moaning when you could be part of the fucking problem. Back the lads on the fucking pitch for 90 mins and you will see a big difference. Get a fucking grip and support your team like life depends on it. Rant fucking over. UTV
Somebody should do something then eh?
You try getting excited about the shite we've been served up the last few years.
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Our home record has been poor for years. We have only won over 10 home games in a season twice in the last 10 years. That is a terrible stat.
Have a look here to see how bad we've been at Villa Park over the last 20 years. It's mostly certainly not 'Fortress Villa Park'.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=44478.0
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The problem is not the fans.
The problem is that our squad is still largely made up of players who prefer to attack space and high defences like Gabby and N'zogbia. Stands to reason the opposition are more likely to play higher up the pitch away from home than at VP.
For years now we've been pretty much clueless at working out how to break down mass defences at home, this was a problem under MON of course but now teams are still playing deep defences to negate Gabby yet they are pushing their midfields on as ours is so woeful.
I think if we are to win some home games to give us a chance, we need to keep faith with N'zogbia in a central role. He's starting to play well consistantly now and I think with the extra space he gets in the free role rather than stuck out wide, we have more chance of creating and scoring goals that way.
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I think the only team who can justifiably claim they'd rather play away from home would be Wigan tbh.
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A question for the finest minds on this site: when was the last time we were unbeaten at home for a whole season?
I have been going down since the late 60s and even when we were very strong and on our way up we would often get a silly defeat at home ( yes I mean you Torquay in 1970) or a drubbing a la Burnley in 1973, Man City in 1977, even 1-4 to soon-to-be-relegated Leeds a month or so before winning the European Cup.
Villa Park was usually a fortress under Ron Saunders but I can't remember an unbeaten campaign at home.
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A question for the finest minds on this site: when was the last time we were unbeaten at home for a whole season?
I have been going down since the late 60s and even when we were very strong and on our way up we would often get a silly defeat at home ( yes I mean you Torquay in 1970) or a drubbing a la Burnley in 1973, Man City in 1977, even 1-4 to soon-to-be-relegated Leeds a month or so before winning the European Cup.
Villa Park was usually a fortress under Ron Saunders but I can't remember an unbeaten campaign at home.
Dunno about a season, but didn't we go a calendar year where we won every home game, early eighties? Came to an end either with the Tony Woodcock battering, or man yoo putting three past us, or the sickener against spartak?
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Without doubt for me. The atmosphere at VP is just mundane. Seldom even 90% full too. Obviously it isn't the main reason for our shocking home form, but as we saw against Manure, a good atmosphere rubs off on the team.
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And we lost that one! The team needs to raise their game. We are paying to see them, they are being paid to play in front of us!
So there!
You know what I mean! It was a good performance. The whole reason playing at home is seen as an advantage is because the fans can spur the team on. As I say, the atmosphere at VP is just drab and uninspiring.
Well bloody change it then ffs. You lot pay your money to watch the games live so back the fucking team then and create some sort of atmosphere. There is more atmosphere in my local!! 2000 fucking miles away. Get behind the team and the club and stop fucking moaning when you could be part of the fucking problem. Back the lads on the fucking pitch for 90 mins and you will see a big difference. Get a fucking grip and support your team like life depends on it. Rant fucking over. UTV
Somebody should do something then eh?
You try getting excited about the shite we've been served up the last few years.
Pain felt and understood, very much so.
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A question for the finest minds on this site: when was the last time we were unbeaten at home for a whole season?
I have been going down since the late 60s and even when we were very strong and on our way up we would often get a silly defeat at home ( yes I mean you Torquay in 1970) or a drubbing a la Burnley in 1973, Man City in 1977, even 1-4 to soon-to-be-relegated Leeds a month or so before winning the European Cup.
Villa Park was usually a fortress under Ron Saunders but I can't remember an unbeaten campaign at home.
It was indeed a fortress under Saunders. We only lost 4 home games in his first three seasons.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Every time this comes up I say the same thing - the players tunnel is at the wrong end of the ground, it should be by the Holte; so the away team does not see or hear a friendly voice until they have run the length of the pitch.
Unfortunately it probably cannot be changed.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Every time this comes up I say the same thing - the players tunnel is at the wrong end of the ground, it should be by the Holte; so the away team does not see or hear a friendly voice until they have run the length of the pitch.
Unfortunately it probably cannot be changed.
That is a good point or as near to the Holte End as possible. Even indoors make them walk 100m to the other corner of the Trinity and come out next to the Holte in full voice singing.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Every time this comes up I say the same thing - the players tunnel is at the wrong end of the ground, it should be by the Holte; so the away team does not see or hear a friendly voice until they have run the length of the pitch.
Unfortunately it probably cannot be changed.
Doesn't help that these days they have to walk out slowly, then do the fatuous line-up and handshake. Been on the pitch five minutes before they get near The Holte
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Big clubs with big support, a big ground and expectations higher than a relegation battle are all the same. I remember when we went to Sunderland earlier this season I was glad we were playing them at their place as they had been under pressure and getting stick at home.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Every time this comes up I say the same thing - the players tunnel is at the wrong end of the ground, it should be by the Holte; so the away team does not see or hear a friendly voice until they have run the length of the pitch.
Unfortunately it probably cannot be changed.
That is something I've never thought of before. If you think about it, the first thing you would see as a player coming out of the tunnel would be the away fans. I really like the idea of the players coming out by the Holte end, I'm not sure if it could be done though.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Every time this comes up I say the same thing - the players tunnel is at the wrong end of the ground, it should be by the Holte; so the away team does not see or hear a friendly voice until they have run the length of the pitch.
Unfortunately it probably cannot be changed.
That is something I've never thought of before. If you think about it, the first thing you would see as a player coming out of the tunnel would be the away fans. I really like the idea of the players coming out by the Holte end, I'm not sure if it could be done though.
What about moving the away section nect to the Holte? More tickets would be sold in the Holte End and "banter" between sets of fans would increase.
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Every time this comes up I say the same thing - the players tunnel is at the wrong end of the ground, it should be by the Holte; so the away team does not see or hear a friendly voice until they have run the length of the pitch.
Unfortunately it probably cannot be changed.
That is something I've never thought of before. If you think about it, the first thing you would see as a player coming out of the tunnel would be the away fans. I really like the idea of the players coming out by the Holte end, I'm not sure if it could be done though.
Can't move the tunnel - so why not move the away fans? Maybe to the other end of the Witton - would make banter between them and the Holte 'interesting'!
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We need to make the place as nasty and hostile as we can. It's not nearly as horrible for away teams as it should be.
Every time this comes up I say the same thing - the players tunnel is at the wrong end of the ground, it should be by the Holte; so the away team does not see or hear a friendly voice until they have run the length of the pitch.
Unfortunately it probably cannot be changed.
That is something I've never thought of before. If you think about it, the first thing you would see as a player coming out of the tunnel would be the away fans. I really like the idea of the players coming out by the Holte end, I'm not sure if it could be done though.
Can't move the tunnel - so why not move the away fans? Maybe to the other end of the Witton - would make banter between them and the Holte 'interesting'!
Would not be popular with the rozzers. Away fans stuck between the Holte and the rest of the Witton.?
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Finally the whole Stan thing. Yep we support him, yep we are 'great' for doing it but at the end the day he is well, very well looked after as is his family and I hope he continues to gets better. He is a multi million pound footballer with the best Healthcare so is in good hands.
On the pitch we have missed him the last year. But please stop this Dianaesque tribute to him every game - he knows we are compassionate but I think at the moment it reinforces to the current crop an unfulfilled gap in the squad. It doesn't help.
Agree with your all of your points but this one in particular. It's great that we did it to start with and that we've continued to do it for so long, but he's well on the mend now and I don't think people will stop thinking of him because we stop the 19th minute applause. I remember against Reading, Stevens (I think?) got injured in the 19th minute. It looked quite nasty and the lad had to come off a few minutes later but everyone was clapping when he was lying on the ground. How disconcerting must that be for the player and the team as a whole?