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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ads on February 01, 2013, 07:13:52 AM
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A simple question here, but if you are a current season ticket holder, will you be renewing for next season in the Championship (MML)?
If no or not sure, what is that based on? The fact we will be in the MML? Depends on the price? Will you be buying your first season ticket?
With the accounts due soon it will be good to take a snapshot of how many season ticket holders we will lose and whether they will pick the odd game or stop going altogether. It might aid in working out the financial implications of our relegation.
Would a kind Mod add a poll with some options such as yes/no/not sure? Thank you.
(MML =Mickey Mouse League)
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After 25 years plus, not a chance.
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I really can't be arsed... but then I'd hate people to think I was like a Blose/Olbiyun/Weasels fan who only watched the team in the Premier League so probably, yes.
Would look to go to loads of aways finances allowing.
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Of course I will.
It's not over yet either. we footy fans always think we know best but I'm clinging on to the hope that our Cambridge graduates and Champions League winner know more than me and it all will come good in the end!
I will have a different description of them if it doesn't.
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I am not sure. I always do normally, after lots of agonising but might just do the aways if we are down.
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Yep, even though its possible that Villa could be playing Yeovil or Brentford in the league next season :o
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Come renewal time ; probably . But this will be the closest I have ever come to not renewing .
3 years ago we were looking forward to walking out and COMPETING against Manchester United at Wembley .
Now we're looking forward to Brentford away - cos there's a pub on every corner of the ground.
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A simple question here, but if you are a current season ticket holder, will you be renewing for next season in the Championship (MML)?
Have we been relegated then?
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I know what I will do but it doesn't pay to look too keen. We will expect prices to go down next year but they won't of course.
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Yes
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Of course. anyone expecting a price reduction can forget it.
You will be told you are getting more games for your money
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A simple question here, but if you are a current season ticket holder, will you be renewing for next season in the Championship (MML)?
Have we been relegated then?
i know, so defeatist from many on here, i will renew whatever league in!
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YES. The Club needs more support not less.
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Renew ? absolutely ! I love the Villa whatever league their in.
UTV
The Doc
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50 years watching the Villa - 45 as a season ticket holder - categorically NO whether they stay up or not - have just about had enough of football in general with the overinflated salaries and admission prices it does not justify me spending £1000+ for the shit that is served up. My passion for the Villa has now dropped to the level of the players who pull on the famous Claret and Blue shirt - non existent. I knew for certain that it was the end when I came out of Villa Park after the Bradford game and I had no emotion or upset. In times gone by I was gutted if we lost any game never mind one of such importance. Villa has always been a large part of my life (Wedding Vows - until death or Villa do us part lol!) and I have travelled many miles and spent £1000's of pounds to away matches from top league to Div 3 but to quote from a famous song - It's time to say goodbye. (Proud History - Bleak future) Thank you Mr Lerner for losing interest it will save me lots of money in the future as I become part of your cost-cutting exercise. Rant over.
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Yes, stretched personal finances permitting. Not been watching premier league football for most of three seasons now, don't see why I should treat next season any differently.
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Re: Premier League football. One, albeit small, advantage of relegation will be that when we watch televised top-flight games we can cheer for who we want.
I always feel dirty having to hope, say, Man Ure beat Reading or Spurszzzz beat Wigan.
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Yes. I'm a Villa fan.
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I haven't go a season ticket this year, but I will get one next season regardless of the division we are in.
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At this point I don't know. It's not dependant on if we go down or not. I'm self employed and work Saturdays. But when the villa play I finish early losing out on earnings. The past few years I've just stopped enjoying it. I don't look forward to trips down the villa like I used to. Even if we stay up I will still be feeling the same. Me renewing is not based on whether we stay up or not. It costs me a lot of money every Saturday I go and since I'm not enjoying what I see I have some serious questions to answer. It's not even like I'm being entertained. The football being served up is so poor. If we were at the games watching good football but still in this predicament i know I'd feel different.
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The renewal will be based entirely on money available. If i can afford, I will renew
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After 35 years as a fan, 27 years going regularly and 20+ years as a Season Ticket holder it has never been more tempting to throw in the towel but come August against my better judgement I will no doubt still be there. I'd only be glued to the radio/internet following what was happening if I wasn't at Villa Park anyway.
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Good luck trying to find our games on the Internet next year!
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Good luck trying to find our games on the Internet next year!
I meant more from the point of view of scores updates on the Beeb website that live streams (which of course are naughty anyway ;-) )
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At this moment in time my honest answer is "Not sure". It's killing me to see the club I've supported for 35 years being destroyed before my very eyes. The whole experience of matchday is no longer as enjoyable as it used to be. I'm disillusioned with modern football on a whole so come next season I'm really gonna have to sit down & think hard about giving my hard earned money to the fools running my great club!!!!
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A lot will depend on whether those friends I only see on match days renew, and also I'm getting increasingly disillusioned with modern day football, but in all likelihood, Yes, regardless of what league we're in. Money is tight but it's just what I do and I can't imagine Villa having a home game and me not being there
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As far as I'm aware, we're still in the PL and have every chance of staying up.
Why not ask "will you be renewing when we finish 15th?"?
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If I can afford it then yes.
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As far as I'm aware, we're still in the PL and have every chance of staying up.
Why not ask "will you be renewing when we finish 15th?"?
how about because its not going to happen? why not ask "will you be renewing when we sign Messi" Worse GD, bottom of the form guide, 2nd bottom, lost at home to three rivals in a row, squad devoid of confidence, every team around us picking up points, every team around us strengthening in Jan transfer window, another set back in Richard Dunnes injury, about to go away to everton (1 loss in 12). Please, please CBBB, convince me otherwise.
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Bit early for this sort of question isn't it?
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The Division we are in (top flight, conference, whatever) has no influence on whether I go to the match or not. In fact the top flight is so numbingly predictable in many ways. It was more exciting when half the teams in the division started the season thinking they could win the title. I remember Forest winning the League straight after getting promoted - no club will do that again unless lots of money is involved. I don't want us to go down but it will make a change starting a season and knowing we could finish the season in any position (yes top, or bottom the way things are going!).
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I don't have a season ticket this year but I can safely say I will go to MORE games next season if we get relegated, especially away from home. It's not easy to explain but the shitter we get the more I feel the need to lend my support.
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The last two season have been shambolic but in a weird way may be more chance of me renewing in the Championship.
Get back to basics away from the limelight, develop a team spirit, a sense of pride in the shirt.
One thing's for sure, there's no value for a fan in being where we are now, getting humiliated and let down every week.
Yes, if we go down, we may fall further but we may also clear out the shit, get away from the tabloid jizz and just figure out who we are again as a club.
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I know what I will do but it doesn't pay to look too keen. We will expect prices to go down next year but they won't of course.
Your cheap seats in P8 probably won't DC5 but if they don't reduce the prices elsewhere then ST holders will leave in droves I suspect. What do we have now around 22K ST holders? That will probably go down to 15 absolute tops if we go down with average home gates around 24K I would suspect if we are in the Chumpionship. On a personal not my own seat in Trinity lower would have to be no more than £400 tops for me to renew. I think that's a fair price for that level of football.
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50 years watching the Villa - 45 as a season ticket holder - categorically NO whether they stay up or not - have just about had enough of football in general with the overinflated salaries and admission prices it does not justify me spending £1000+ for the shit that is served up. My passion for the Villa has now dropped to the level of the players who pull on the famous Claret and Blue shirt - non existent. I knew for certain that it was the end when I came out of Villa Park after the Bradford game and I had no emotion or upset. In times gone by I was gutted if we lost any game never mind one of such importance. Villa has always been a large part of my life (Wedding Vows - until death or Villa do us part lol!) and I have travelled many miles and spent £1000's of pounds to away matches from top league to Div 3 but to quote from a famous song - It's time to say goodbye. (Proud History - Bleak future) Thank you Mr Lerner for losing interest it will save me lots of money in the future as I become part of your cost-cutting exercise. Rant over.
Agree with that. After the last 3 years of incompetence I'll not renew, especially as Lerner won't spend to help the club out in it's most desperate need for years. My money won't be wasted again and I'll only start to go when these muppetts have left the club. Bright Future eh Randy??
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Its work for me , busiest day and I can not afford to get staff in to replace me ,it would cost me double the ticket to go.
The problem is my son is 7 now and we have been talking about getting him one but I think I might wait another season yet.
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I don't have a season ticket this year but I can safely say I will go to MORE games next season if we get relegated, especially away from home. It's not easy to explain but the shitter we get the more I feel the need to lend my support.
My feelings exactly.
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I don't have a season ticket this year but I can safely say I will go to MORE games next season if we get relegated, especially away from home. It's not easy to explain but the shitter we get the more I feel the need to lend my support.
This is me too, I will renew next season whatever happens. If we go down I will also probably go to the numerous away games that are local to me.
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I don't have a season ticket this year but I can safely say I will go to MORE games next season if we get relegated, especially away from home. It's not easy to explain but the shitter we get the more I feel the need to lend my support.
My feelings exactly.
Mine too , I don't get to many games distance and money reasons.But if we go down I will do my best to go to more to do my bit to get the club back up.
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I didn't renew this year.
The Mrs had, at that point, the threat of almost certain redundancy hanging over her, and things were a bit touch and go for me at work, too, so while we were having to cut back on lots of things, it seemed unfair of me to invest the hundreds of pounds in the season ticket, plus the rest of the money involved in going to 20 odd football matches a season.
Given how horrendous the year before was, and the fact it had given me pretty much zero entertainment, it wasn't a tough decision to make. I have only been down a few times this season, and don't really regret not renewing.
It is easy to get out of the habit of attending matches if you haven't paid for them all months and months in advance.
Bizarrely, if we are relegated, I too would go to more matches, as finally, we'd have a chance of winning some of them, and it could actually be an entertaining season, in which we get to play different sides.
They need to be super realistic with the prices, though, certainly no putting them up, and I'd expect them to cut them significantly. I bet they don't, though.
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A couple of my mates asked me this morning how I would feel about life in the Championship and I responded by saying that over the last few years I’ve really lost the will to get to Villa Park. I mean what’s the point of driving 9 hours to see your team lose and not compete in any way shape or form.
Should we go down however, we will instantly become competitive once more and I’ll have some very convenient away games locating near the Channel Tunnel to boot. So in a perverse way (and a selfish way too), I’m looking forward to next season in the same way I did last time around.
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I will renew whatever league we are in. Firstly, I didn't stop having a season ticket when Doug turned the champions of Europe into a second tier side in five years so I won't give up now if Randy has turned a top six side into one. Secondly, I've given loads of stick to noses I know who have given up their season tickets after going down.
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Because of where I live and personal circumstances I can’t make many home games but I love going away and will make every attempt to get to as many as possible relegated or not. Running a supporters club helps as I feel obliged to go as I’m ordering tickets anyway. As Malcolm said I left the Bradford game feeling void of emotion but it’s been like that for a while, I treat games now like some social event where its good to have a few beers and meet some mates winning is a bonus…..actually scoring a goal is a bonus.
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I'd look foward to all the northern games on offer in the 2nd tier. Always more fun watching away than at home. Re the season ticket; not sure TBH.
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One more thing, I started going down the Villa in 1986 and of all the seasons since then the one I look back on with the fondest memories is the season we spent in the second division. The camaraderie at the away games that season was something that I've not experienced in the Premier League.
Forget about Lerner and Lambert. This club is not about individuals. We will still be here long after they have gone. To all those saying they won't bother next season, you will miss out on something special and in years to come you will not be able to look back and say you were there in our hour of need.
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It seems that a lot of those who are inclined to renew in the Championship are planning to do so because we'll be competetive. If the current cost cutting exercise continues I can only see us doing a similar thing in the Championship, any useful players will be sold and we'll probably look at signing young League 2 players. I don't see any good coming from being relegated under this ownership.
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As far as I'm aware, we're still in the PL and have every chance of staying up.
Why not ask "will you be renewing when we finish 15th?"?
how about because its not going to happen? why not ask "will you be renewing when we sign Messi" Worse GD, bottom of the form guide, 2nd bottom, lost at home to three rivals in a row, squad devoid of confidence, every team around us picking up points, every team around us strengthening in Jan transfer window, another set back in Richard Dunnes injury, about to go away to everton (1 loss in 12). Please, please CBBB, convince me otherwise.
I don't mean to convince you. I'm merely pointing out that his statement was written as a given that we'll be in the Championship, and its not.
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YES
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It seems that a lot of those who are inclined to renew in the Championship are planning to do so because we'll be competetive. If the current cost cutting exercise continues I can only see us doing a similar thing in the Championship, any useful players will be sold and we'll probably look at signing young League 2 players. I don't see any good coming from being relegated under this ownership.
I think it'd quite nice to play different teams and visit other stadiums (though obviously I'd rather not have to see them!).
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Stand by your team, as Tammy Parton once said.
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Yes. Going to football on a Saturday is simply "what I do"
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Yes. Going to football on a Saturday is simply "what I do"
It is as simple as that for me.
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It seems that a lot of those who are inclined to renew in the Championship are planning to do so because we'll be competetive. If the current cost cutting exercise continues I can only see us doing a similar thing in the Championship, any useful players will be sold and we'll probably look at signing young League 2 players. I don't see any good coming from being relegated under this ownership.
Agree. Plus we'll have high ticket prices for watching more shit. No thanks.
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It seems that a lot of those who are inclined to renew in the Championship are planning to do so because we'll be competetive. If the current cost cutting exercise continues I can only see us doing a similar thing in the Championship, any useful players will be sold and we'll probably look at signing young League 2 players. I don't see any good coming from being relegated under this ownership.
Wolves are the prime example of selling your best players after relegation and not re-investing. They're now in danger of relegation to League One. Lerner needs to go before even more damage occurs, although for this season it's already too late.
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Not sure, but will make a fist of it by attending some Away games to grounds that I haven't been to before
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YES! Watched them in the Third, Second, then First, then Second again, now Premisership - I'll watch them anywhere.
Once you get past the idea that the owners of your football club give a shit about you as a fan it all becomes alright ;-)
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Will Randy come more due to difficulties seeing the games shown in America?
Will we be the first team from the second tier to win the FA cup since 1980?
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Yes. Going to football on a Saturday is simply "what I do"
It is as simple as that for me.
Except it could be on a Friday. ;)
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Stand by your team, as Tammy Parton once said.
Don't you mean Dolly Winnette? :D
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Yes. Going to football on a Saturday is simply "what I do"
It is as simple as that for me.
Agree. Let's face it, what else would you do with your time that would intrigue you as much?
I bet everybody that doesn't for whatever reason, cost, work, distance, but still monitor our clubs fortunes via match threads or TV (Less chance of the latter if we go down) would still much rather be present at every game than doing what they're doing.
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I very much doubt that prices will fall when we go down. Firstly, our prices are already lower then quite a few Championship teams. Secondly, missing out on the TV money means attendence money will become even more important. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if they even increase prices for cup games.
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For all those who think they can give up their season ticket and football I can only relay my tale. It nearly killed me giving up my season ticket at Villa at the end of the 2007-08 season; not that I had a choice given where I was moving to. I thought that I could supplement the loss with the trips to Eredivisie matches now and then and watch us on the telly at every opportunity. It worked for a while, but then I began to miss the atmosphere of the stadium, the sounds of the players over the crowd and the sight of floodlights on a cold day. I bought a season ticket to my local club this season and have not looked back since.
Yes its bloody awful right now, but were I still in Blighty I would not even contemplate giving up my season ticket, as live football is hard programmed into me and I don’t cope very well when it’s taken away.
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I gave up going on a regular basis some years ago, work on a Saturday and all round disenchantment with the game were the prime movers. If anything I feel even further disconnected with the game in it's current state, one glimpse of the tidal wave of bollocks on SSN yesterday only served to re-affirm this.
However, my love for Villa remains untarnished. From the hours spent on here, following our trials and tribulations on the 'net, to launching ever more desperate rebuttalls to cackling Albion fans in the pub and never hiding my allegiance. I follow every game as closely as I can, kicking and heading every ball, roaring in delight and sighing in resigned disapointment.
Like many, relegation may well increase my attendance record and for those old enough to recall the last time, the pain of May '87 was washed away by the joyride of the following season, still my favourite in 25 plus years, cup wins and european joints and all.
Don't let incompetance and intransigence, misguided management and constant piss taking put you off. There are, and will always be, great times following Villa, regardless of the football.
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On the plus side, you'll have to attend if you want to properly watch the games and not just a small segment on the League Cup show. Lower league games can't be streamed. Bad news for armchair fans like me :(
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I gave up going on a regular basis some years ago, work on a Saturday and all round disenchantment with the game were the prime movers. If anything I feel even further disconnected with the game in it's current state, one glimpse of the tidal wave of bollocks on SSN yesterday only served to re-affirm this.
However, my love for Villa remains untarnished. From the hours spent on here, following our trials and tribulations on the 'net, to launching ever more desperate rebuttalls to cackling Albion fans in the pub and never hiding my allegiance. I follow every game as closely as I can, kicking and heading every ball, roaring in delight and sighing in resigned disapointment.
Like many, relegation may well increase my attendance record and for those old enough to recall the last time, the pain of May '87 was washed away by the joyride of the following season, still my favourite in 25 plus years, cup wins and european joints and all.
Don't let incompetance and intransigence, misguided management and constant piss taking put you off. There are, and will always be, great times following Villa, regardless of the football.
Now we know the real reason for our current situation. You are kicking and heading every ball for us.
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Yes. I go to see Aston Villa, not the opposition.
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Will they be a lot cheaper? I like a bargain and also Randy should pass part of the massive wage savings to the fans.
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Regardless of whether with finish in the bottom three or not this season, I will renew for next.
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I stopped my season ticket when Barry fucked off, I still come down but can't justify the cost of the ticket and travel etc any more.
I'd be interested to see the results but can't view them without voting for some reason and don't want to skew the results by voting.
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Having a season ticket gives you the advantage of being in the away scheme, thereby guaranteeing tickets to all away league games.
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Yes. Going to football on a Saturday is simply "what I do"
It is as simple as that for me.
Agree. Let's face it, what else would you do with your time that would intrigue you as much?
I bet everybody that doesn't for whatever reason, cost, work, distance, but still monitor our clubs fortunes via match threads or TV (Less chance of the latter if we go down) would still much rather be present at every game than doing what they're doing.
Absolutely. Otherwise why do we spend so much time on here?
I've been a ST holder since my dad brought me my first one in 1991. I was 7. I'm now 29 and have been going every year since.
Going to football has become programmed in me.
To the extent, if we have a free weekend, I find myself going to watch other teams with friends of other supporting teams. I now live in Manchester so we have a big catchment area. I work next to Old Trafford so I find myself going occassionally to midweek games.
Even my holidays tend to consist of going around Europe going to tournaments or watching European teams.
I love football. So to take that away from me, would be a big blow. I couldn't not go. Doesnt matter how bad we are.
I've had the most amazing experiences either through watching The Villa or other teams. And wouldnt swap it for the world.
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Yes. Going to football on a Saturday is simply "what I do"
It is as simple as that for me.
Agree. Let's face it, what else would you do with your time that would intrigue you as much?
I bet everybody that doesn't for whatever reason, cost, work, distance, but still monitor our clubs fortunes via match threads or TV (Less chance of the latter if we go down) would still much rather be present at every game than doing what they're doing.
Absolutely. Otherwise why do we spend so much time on here?
I've been a ST holder since my dad brought me my first one in 1991. I was 7. I'm now 29 and have been going every year since.
Going to football has become programmed in me.
To the extent, if we have a free weekend, I find myself going to watch other teams with friends of other supporting teams. I now live in Manchester so we have a big catchment area. I work next to Old Trafford so I find myself going occassionally to midweek games.
Even my holidays tend to consist of going around Europe going to tournaments or watching European teams.
I love football. So to take that away from me, would be a big blow. I couldn't not go. Doesnt matter how bad we are.
I've had the most amazing experiences either through watching The Villa or other teams. And wouldnt swap it for the world.
Amen to that. Doesn't matter what division we end up in. I'll always renew.....
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It is a sense of duty isn't it?
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YES! Watched them in the Third, Second, then First, then Second again, now Premisership - I'll watch them anywhere.
Once you get past the idea that the owners of your football club give a shit about you as a fan it all becomes alright ;-)
Yep, spot on.
I will renew cos I support the Villa, simple as that
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I'd be interested to see the results but can't view them without voting for some reason and don't want to skew the results by voting.
29, 29, 9 at the moment.
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
I feel for you mate, very sad indeed. What would it take to feel the love again or is that it?
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Very sad post, PGW. I hope something happens to make you reconsider. Tearing yourself away from the club is a tough thing to do after all these years. They are your club, not Lerner's, even though he has a piece of paper saying he owns it.
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I truthfully dont know..........me win a £300 mill Euro lottery and i'll buy the club off Lerner.
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My Daughter and I will renew and hope we will see some decent football if not at least we will see the end of Lambert and Learner and hope some of these mega millionaires who are suppose to love Villa turn up and buy the club off him
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I truthfully dont know..........me win a £300 mill Euro lottery and i'll buy the club off Lerner.
That's the spirit.
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
My dear wife would tell you.... It's only a game. To be honest even she daren't say that at the moment. We are all suffering.
I just hope things will change and you will be part of it all again.
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My dear wife buggered off in 2000 realising that she couldn't compete!!!!!
Might be a bit late to try and get her back!!!
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I had decided at the start of the season that I wouldn't renew again and said so at the time. It's not due to the whole Lambert/Randy thing, just other commitments.
Not that that helps this debate at all, but there you go!
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Same reason as last that I won't be renewing. The arrival of junior glasses has meant that I go to the odd game when I can afford it. I'll return, hopefully with my boy in a few years time, genuinely in whatever state the club are in.
If I could have afforded it this year i'd be there, and whatever the outcome of this season, I'd be there next year.
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
I feel for you mate, very sad indeed. What would it take to feel the love again or is that it?
You do know that the failure of our club and the fortunes of the Swan and Mitre go hand in hand. I even said the same to the Landlady (Ann) on the Tuesday night.
The division we're in will affect attendances will affect number of customers going to the pub will affect their survival. Ann had a concerned look on her face. The pub only exists because of match day and your taste for cider, mine for the very good Guinness they serve. You might well fall back in love with your club in time but your match day pub could well be gone by then.
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Having a season ticket gives you the advantage of being in the away scheme, thereby guaranteeing tickets to all away league games.
Fair comment but haven't most away games gone past just ST holders this season and become generally available to anybody with a booking history. On top of this I would have thought that at a lot of Championship grounds there would be more away availability than at most Prem grounds looking at attendances so ST won't probably be as vital next year to securing an away ticket. Final thought even if away tickets are in short supply you would certainly be able to travel to most of the matches on the day and just walk in to the home section to watch the match.
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The other thing about relegation is that staff numbers at VP will no doubt be cut meaning that a number of people will lose their jobs.
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Brilliant post PGW. Of all the posts I have read on here recently, alongside Brian Greens on Saturday morning after Millwall , yours is the one that has most struck home to me.
When the core support such as you feel the situation is hope less - as I do - then the club is bang in trouble.
The last thing my lad , who is 9, said on Tuesday night after getting home from the game was '' When we go down, I don't think I will want a season ticket Dad'' .
Broke my heart - and I couldn't argue with him.
They have ripped the life and soul out of B6.
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I will do yes, at least there'll be some new teams to face and teams to no doubt develop a hatred of. Loads of away grounds that I haven't been to either, only 3 in the Premier League.
Also we might win as many games as we lose, which would make a nice change.
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I didn't renew this year.
The Mrs had, at that point, the threat of almost certain redundancy hanging over her, and things were a bit touch and go for me at work, too, so while we were having to cut back on lots of things, it seemed unfair of me to invest the hundreds of pounds in the season ticket, plus the rest of the money involved in going to 20 odd football matches a season.
Given how horrendous the year before was, and the fact it had given me pretty much zero entertainment, it wasn't a tough decision to make. I have only been down a few times this season, and don't really regret not renewing.
It is easy to get out of the habit of attending matches if you haven't paid for them all months and months in advance.
Bizarrely, if we are relegated, I too would go to more matches, as finally, we'd have a chance of winning some of them, and it could actually be an entertaining season, in which we get to play different sides.
They need to be super realistic with the prices, though, certainly no putting them up, and I'd expect them to cut them significantly. I bet they don't, though.
Exactly. It's the entertainment I want back at villa park. I'm bored at the moment every time I go
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It's football that we're interested in, not the money.
I think that the lower down the league ladder you go, the more pure the football experience is. It's definitely about going to the pub with mates, talk football, go the match, have a pie, enjoy the game (hopefully) and go again. It's not the glitz and razzmatazz and 'experience' of the Premier League and it's football fans that go.
However, I'd rather that was the experience in the top division.
p.s. thanks Chris for the stats.
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After missing most of 2012 due to health issues there is no way I'm going to voluntarily give it up now that I'm starting to improve. So I'll be another one supping Guinness in the Swan and Mitre next season.
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After missing most of 2012 due to health issues there is no way I'm going to voluntarily give it up now that I'm starting to improve. So I'll be another one supping Guinness in the Swan and Mitre next season.
Glad to hear it - we need you !
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
There you go Randy - hope you read that. Even through all the Ellis years I doubt fans have felt so despondent as this wretched season. As the current custodian, Lerner is a disgrace to Aston Villa.
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
That's brought a tear to my eye.
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I didn't renew this year.
The Mrs had, at that point, the threat of almost certain redundancy hanging over her, and things were a bit touch and go for me at work, too, so while we were having to cut back on lots of things, it seemed unfair of me to invest the hundreds of pounds in the season ticket, plus the rest of the money involved in going to 20 odd football matches a season.
Given how horrendous the year before was, and the fact it had given me pretty much zero entertainment, it wasn't a tough decision to make. I have only been down a few times this season, and don't really regret not renewing.
It is easy to get out of the habit of attending matches if you haven't paid for them all months and months in advance.
Bizarrely, if we are relegated, I too would go to more matches, as finally, we'd have a chance of winning some of them, and it could actually be an entertaining season, in which we get to play different sides.
They need to be super realistic with the prices, though, certainly no putting them up, and I'd expect them to cut them significantly. I bet they don't, though.
Exactly. It's the entertainment I want back at villa park. I'm bored at the moment every time I go
2 seasons without a season ticket, and I am much more excited about the idea of going down to game in the Champ, with a young side rebuilding the club that I have been recently. I believe, honestly, we have the nucleus of a really decent side at the minute, and with the right direction they can become a really good one. I will go down a lot more next season, and take my little one with me if the cost is right for the first time. Hopefully I can introduce him to it when we are winning!
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The problem is that if you switch off fans of PGW's vintage, there are not enough younger fans coming through to replace them (not saying your replaceable mate) It's a tough sell to people my age (35) whose best memories are a couple of league cups 20 years ago, but the biggest problem is the lack of younger lads going down. It's not just Villa who are suffering in this way, most clubs are, but when you add that generational downturn to the economic depression in the region, and our rather unique fall from grace on the pitch, it's a big worry.
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
I feel for you mate, very sad indeed. What would it take to feel the love again or is that it?
You do know that the failure of our club and the fortunes of the Swan and Mitre go hand in hand. I even said the same to the Landlady (Ann) on the Tuesday night.
The division we're in will affect attendances will affect number of customers going to the pub will affect their survival. Ann had a concerned look on her face. The pub only exists because of match day and your taste for cider, mine for the very good Guinness they serve. You might well fall back in love with your club in time but your match day pub could well be gone by then.
I agree with what you are saying about the pub the fortunes of the Villa and the S&M go hand in hand. Over the last few years have got to know Ann very well indeed (and Chris by the way) i am generally one of the first in there and one of the last supporters to leave (22:33 train) well worse for wear.....i will miss those days as well.....i'm not saying i will NEVER go again but it will be a select few.
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I agree with what you are saying about the pub the fortunes of the Villa and the S&M go hand in hand. Over the last few years have got to know Ann very well indeed (and Chris by the way)
Ooh kinky!
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I agree with what you are saying about the pub the fortunes of the Villa and the S&M go hand in hand. Over the last few years have got to know Ann very well indeed (and Chris by the way)
Ooh kinky!
Quality - i hadnt noticed - i will re-iterate 'Swan & Mitre'
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No i will not be renewing - if relegation is confirmed. Come next August i will be knocking on the door of my 60th birthday and i will have been going down the Villa since 1961 call it 52/3 years and for 50 of them i have lapped up every minute of it. There are posts on here in regard to 'if it happens,i can see some different grounds'....Great for you youngsters i've done all that, there are a few i probably havent been to and that will remain. Some of the seasons late 60's and early 70's were absolutely fantastic,like many on here the third division days were possibly my favourite. I just do not enjoy it any more...on Tuesday night i shed tears,truthfully, because i left at half time - i have never been even close to doing that. I even had a row in the Upper Witton by the stair way to the exit with a lad in his late 20's early 30's who pleaded with me not to leave saying the club require our support, they do, but i just could not stay and watch any more. RL and to a lesser degree PL have ripped the heart out of me. I got through the exit turnstile and tears flowed....i'm a grown man who is basically falling out of love with the 'absolute' love of my life.....my house is a shrine to AVFC but currently i feel like ripping everything down and hiding it away in the garage. I am distraught that i feel this way, cost has never been a factor in the past but it is now - i certainly think that the cost of a season ticket will not go down - and that isnt the deciding factor - i rely on a pension now but i know that i would go without a holiday or whatever to find the money for my season ticket....but i just feel that i just DON'T WANT to......that is what upsets me so much. When i left on Tuesday my heart wouldnt let me just go home i went to Swan & Mitre sat in my usual seat and waited for the end of the game and the return of the fans. There werent many 'Smiley happy people' among them. i sat there listening to their comments in virtual silence supping my Cider and caught the last train home to Selly Oak still in virtual silence. I just feel there is NO HOPE!!!!
What a heart-felt post that is, made me feel really quite emotional has that.
Can we send it to the club?
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I recently found out that the Liverpool and Man City games had been moved. Which meant I could get to both, my reaction should have been that of joy.. but it was actually 'oh, for f**ks sake, do I have to go now!'.. I probably still won't attend one of the two and when it becomes a chore it's time to give it up until the love comes again which in time I hope it does. So after 8 years in the this Season Ticket block, it's a goodbye from me.
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It doesn't make any different as I have lost the desire to go to Villa Park and watch football. I only went two games this season (Everton/Swansea) prefer to use money for salsa holidays aboard.
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I want too, but the club don't show as much ambition as I do.
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You support Villa through thick and thin and it's been all thin for the last three years and yes it's been embarrassing and humiliating and very frustrating but I will not desert the young lads who are trying their best.don't despair use your anger and frustration to challenge the management.i had the cane at school in 1969 (Holte Grammar)for trying to deliver a petition to the old board of Norman Smith during one lunchtime, now that did bring tears to my eyes.Now is the time to stand up and be counted-keep the faith!
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I will be without hesitation. Not a hint of doubt.
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If I can get a deal like this year I will renew . But if I have to pay full whack for our 2 seats (£1200) then I will be giving it a miss and will pick and choose games and tickets off Viagogo . Plus will do more away games if we go down as there's some new grounds to tick off
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I will never turn my back on the Villa. I like most of us are not enjoying going to games but I will never turn my back on the Villa.
they say there is one born every minute.
I am happy to say I still love the VILLA.
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If I can get a deal like this year I will renew . But if I have to pay full whack for our 2 seats (£1200) then I will be giving it a miss and will pick and choose games and tickets off Viagogo . Plus will do more away games if we go down as there's some new grounds to tick off
Why not get the Barclaycard deal - Interest free over 12 months. I buy season tickets this way and pay back over 10 months.
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I'm sure we all do.
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If I can get a deal like this year I will renew . But if I have to pay full whack for our 2 seats (£1200) then I will be giving it a miss and will pick and choose games and tickets off Viagogo . Plus will do more away games if we go down as there's some new grounds to tick off
Why not get the Barclaycard deal - Interest free over 12 months. I buy season tickets this way and pay back over 10 months.
I have done this for years. I do not think it is possible to open a new one, though.
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I neither would ever turn my back on the club. No matter how bad it gets or how far we fall.
I love the club.
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If I can get a deal like this year I will renew . But if I have to pay full whack for our 2 seats (£1200) then I will be giving it a miss and will pick and choose games and tickets off Viagogo . Plus will do more away games if we go down as there's some new grounds to tick off
Why not get the Barclaycard deal - Interest free over 12 months. I buy season tickets this way and pay back over 10 months.
Don't the club do an installments deal ? This season we got a great deal but I doubt it will happen again ??
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I neither would ever turn my back on the club. No matter how bad it gets or how far we fall.
I love the club.
Well said!
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As an ex pat my choice is around AVTV. And yes I will renew. It will actually become my primary way of watching Villa goals/games because the championship is not covered very well over here in the US.
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As an ex pat my choice is around AVTV. And yes I will renew. It will actually become my primary way of watching Villa goals/games because the championship is not covered very well over here in the US.
How much does avtv cost. It comes free with a ST but I don't really use it much.
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As an ex pat my choice is around AVTV. And yes I will renew. It will actually become my primary way of watching Villa goals/games because the championship is not covered very well over here in the US.
How much does avtv cost. It comes free with a ST but I don't really use it much.
45 quid a year. Very good value imho.
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4 extra home games innit.
I think there's a justifiable excuse for people who don't live in the west midlands, plenty more midweek games in the championship.
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Are we likely to have more Saturday 3pm KO s in the championship ?
That would be 1 positive at least
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There are no positives.
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People are already voting with their feet. Just over 1000 tickets sold for tomorrow and 900 sold for Arsenal(so far)
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Yeah interesting thread.
Reminds me of a Wolves fan I know. This time last year he couldn't wait to get relegated and actively celebrated it when Man. City sent them down last April as in his words "it's more fun and more chance of winning games in the championship" So far Wolves are in the bottom 6 and I think have won 4/14 at Molinueux.
Am meeting him next week so will ask for an update....
The championsip will only be fun if we're winning most weeks. I said last season I'd take relegation if we could romp the championship and then re-establish ourselves in the prem like Newcastle did and I guess that still stands.
My guess is we'd string together an o.k squad to get into the play offs and knowing us probably lose in the final to Millwall or someone.
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Are we likely to have more Saturday 3pm KO s in the championship ?
That would be 1 positive at least
On balance I'm not sure. 23 games but as I've already said probably about 6/7 of them will be midweek fixtures.
Also take a look at Newcastle and West Ham year's in the championship and a lot of them were moved for tv as there's always a 5.20 game on Sky on a saturday so given we'd be the biggest name in that division, I would imagine Sky would show some of the games.
Great posts by PGW and also MalcolmP on the first page btw.
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People are already voting with their feet. Just over 1000 tickets sold for tomorrow and 900 sold for Arsenal(so far)
Not surprising though is it? Most people now accept we are down, this stems primarily from the club openly telling us we are going to be relegated when they didnt sign the players required to make a fight of staying up.
The club has given up, its hard to see why fans should make the effort and expense in the final run of the season to go and watch us lose all the time.
Maybe next season things will pick up again. Its a shame because as the Bradford game showed, Villa fans are just waiting to show up in numbers given any kind of hope , but the club has been adamant that in the league its about cost cutting in preparation for the championship not trying to go up or compete for anything.
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Aston Villa.....Aston Villa.....We'll support you evermore !
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I think we will stay up, there I've said it.
I'm sure I'll get shot down but I genuinely do. Call it blind faith, ignorance, denial or whatever, I just do.
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Definitely renew if we stay up definitely not if we go down its that simple - will pick and choose games to go to as should be plenty of local derbies and plenty of seats to choose from !
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There's a few bullshitters about. Not referring to the previous post, by the way, just some earlier ones.
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The last two seasons have been dismal - I can count the number of games I have enjoyed on one hand - that`s not good . Going to the game should be fun not a chore. The 200 mile round trip has not been worthwhile for quite some time - stopping on the way home for a decent Balti softens the blow a little.
Will I renew ? With the rising costs of fuel etc I don`t think I can longer justify the outlay - so probably not.
The away games (North West - Burnley, Bolton, Blackburn etc) will probably the only way I get to see the Villa "live"
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There's a few bullshitters about. Not referring to the previous post, by the way, just some earlier ones.
Can you expand ?
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There's a few bullshitters about. Not referring to the previous post, by the way, just some earlier ones.
Can you expand ?
No. You'll have to make your own mind up. I saw it on the Millwall thread and it is here again.
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The most rewarding part of a trip to B6 at the moment is on the way home. When you get to J17 of the M6, they have new cats eyes in the road, so when you put your foot down, its a bit like being in Tron.
Bad times.
I'll be renewing come what may. I just hope drug crime or something increases in Cheshire so they have to spend money on that instead of collaring motorists at 1am.
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I will renew. Going to Villa Park- its just something I do.
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What was the bullshit on the Millwall thread?
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What was the bullshit on the Millwall thread?
Have a snoop around.
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Cant you past a link?
Its hard to faff about on a phone when you're watching a daft Tom Cruise film.
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Cant you past a link?
Its hard to faff about on a phone when you're watching a daft Tom Cruise film.
Will deal with it next week. The main thing is the bullshitters know who they are.
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Cant you past a link?
Its hard to faff about on a phone when you're watching a daft Tom Cruise film.
Will deal with it next week. The main thing is the bullshitters know who they are.
Lost on me but would like to know ??
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Cant you past a link?
Its hard to faff about on a phone when you're watching a daft Tom Cruise film.
Will deal with it next week. The main thing is the bullshitters know who they are.
Lost on me but would like to know ??
It ain't you or Ads.
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Ok cool, was a bit concerned. Will have a scout around
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Cant you past a link?
Its hard to faff about on a phone when you're watching a daft Tom Cruise film.
Will deal with it next week. The main thing is the bullshitters know who they are.
Lost on me but would like to know ??
[/qCant you past a link?
Its hard to faff about on a phone when you're watching a daft Tom Cruise film.
Will deal with it next week. The main thing is the bullshitters know who they are.
Lost on me but would like to know ??
It ain't you or Ads.
It ain't you or Ads.
Very kyripric!
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Said it before and I'll say it again.
At least 95% of all football clubs are shite to some degree, either you support them anyway or you are not really a supporter.
Give up because they aren't as good as you would like if you want, but (without trying to make this into a "better fan than yow" debate) what does that make you?
Look, just support that the best of your ability, finances or circumstances allow, but don't abandon your club because they aren't winning. That's just poor.
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I truthfully dont know..........me win a £300 mill Euro lottery and i'll buy the club off Lerner.
That's the spirit.
And you will be the next target for the fans to complain at for a lack of commitment to the club.....
This is the perversity of football and why so many are falling out of love with it
Once fans dreamed of a millionaire owner...now even a billionairre owner isn't enough
Football is eating itself in so many ways due to money and the excesses and abuses money brings
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If I can get a deal like this year I will renew . But if I have to pay full whack for our 2 seats (£1200) then I will be giving it a miss and will pick and choose games and tickets off Viagogo . Plus will do more away games if we go down as there's some new grounds to tick off
Why not get the Barclaycard deal - Interest free over 12 months. I buy season tickets this way and pay back over 10 months.
I do this but surely it won't apply in the Championship as they don't sponsor it?
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Said it before and I'll say it again.
At least 95% of all football clubs are shite to some degree, either you support them anyway or you are not really a supporter.
Give up because they aren't as good as you would like if you want, but (without trying to make this into a "better fan than yow" debate) what does that make you?
Look, just support that the best of your ability, finances or circumstances allow, but don't abandon your club because they aren't winning. That's just poor.
Similar sentiments in a recent F365 article.
Wanting to see a big club relegated isn't some crime against Villa fans specifically, it would be the same if it was any other long-established top-flight club. Villa fans might think they'd had it tough for a few seasons but really, you dine off the cream of unimagined wealth and luxury unavailable to 90% of all other football clubs. You are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, you are simply not as rich as a tiny few other clubs, that's why you feel skint and hard done by. But you are not skint or hard done by, you are just a rubbish football team and by god, that first half against Newcastle you were an exceptionally rubbish football team.
But you see, while you were having your dozen top-ten top-flight finishes in the last 20 years, the rest of us football supporters have been up and down more times than a girl I knew whose nickname was 'yo-yo knickers'. We have lived outside the rarefied elite, we are the groundlings, the scruffy poor, condemned to be forever hanging on in quiet desperation. We know nothing of your top-six Premier League finishes. Welcome to our world.
The possibility that a club which has had more money put into it than 90% of other league clubs can be cast out of the top flight is a rare instance of a kind of democracy where the one with the most money doesn't win. It feels good to know that it is possible to cock things up so mightily that you can lose your top-flight status. There is always hope for change and Villa is illustrating this perfectly.
I recall Manchester United being relegated in 1974 and Spurs a couple of years later. It was brilliant, rather like seeing a rich Tory landowner made bankrupt through arrogant, self-indulgent spending. The masses love nothing more than seeing the elite take a kicking, especially a complacent elite who, because they mix with even richer, more wealthy people, mistake their own wealth for poverty. There's no fun in seeing a small, relatively poor club like Wigan or Norwich being rubbish. That's like kicking an asthmatic boy and stealing his dinner money, by contrast, Villa are the big strapping jock who gets all the girls and man, you just want them to take a kicking to the soft dangly bits so badly, don't you? This is why we shall dance of Villa's Premier League grave.
We also know that it usually isn't long before the elite reassert their hegemony, so this is our rare and brief chance to celebrate and celebrate it we shall.
And to all Villa fans who feel so desperate, let me tell you, relegation is under-rated as a pleasure. Going down is not at all bad. You get to play worse teams than you a lot and win much more. It's fun and it's real. If the Premier League is the plastic glamour model, the lower divisions are more plain girls but with lovely real breasts. This is all good.
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Yes.
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I will re-new, mainly because I go to Villa Park to watch the Villa, not the opposition, so whether it's Southampton or Northampton it makes no odds to me.
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Said it before and I'll say it again.
At least 95% of all football clubs are shite to some degree, either you support them anyway or you are not really a supporter.
Give up because they aren't as good as you would like if you want, but (without trying to make this into a "better fan than yow" debate) what does that make you?
Look, just support that the best of your ability, finances or circumstances allow, but don't abandon your club because they aren't winning. That's just poor.
Super post
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I keep saying bollox to it, but i usually do.