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Title: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2013, 10:35:59 PM
A simple yes or no, will these 2 inexperienced players be enough to help the team stay in the league?

Personally feel like Lerner has lost the plot and told Lambert he can have £2 million and a loanee to keep Villa up.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: EmileHefty on January 31, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
No
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: myf on January 31, 2013, 10:37:06 PM
nope. we're gone and will finish bottom
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 10:37:16 PM
No
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 10:37:32 PM
No
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 10:38:11 PM
No, bottom, under 30 pts.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:38:58 PM
Nope not their fault but they can't help.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 10:39:49 PM
No we are down
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Ian. on January 31, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
No. We need some quality, experience, strength, guts and belief. I see promise, but have seen glimpses of that all season. It's not enough.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 31, 2013, 10:40:27 PM
No chance. Why not have a poll instead.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 10:40:38 PM
Yes. I'm a rebel.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Fergal on January 31, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
Not a fecking prayer unless they can defend set pieces at the same time as they boss the midfield and set up a few chances for the forwards to miss.
God I am so down...
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: flybo on January 31, 2013, 10:41:38 PM
no
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 31, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: j66acd on January 31, 2013, 10:41:55 PM
No, but they'll do great job on the car park at the leisure centre.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: mita copier on January 31, 2013, 10:42:12 PM
yes
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:42:25 PM
I think they weren't signed to keep us up or are people still ignoring the evidence before our eyes?

Randy seems to think it is worth going down.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 10:44:32 PM
Poll added.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2013, 11:48:16 PM
No.......
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 31, 2013, 11:50:33 PM
No chance! Although they will set the championship alight next year
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Villain1874 on January 31, 2013, 11:52:30 PM
Not a chance, were going down....
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: KevinGage on January 31, 2013, 11:53:32 PM
Fuck no!

All the defenders in the world, and Lambo couldn't acquire an upgrade on Clark, Baker or Bennett-  even on loan.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2013, 11:53:49 PM
Will they even play?  I can't see them being any better than what we currently have.  The lad in central midfield might feature, but is Dawkins going to be better than N'Zogbia, Gabby or Weimann?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 11:55:33 PM
Well, it's possible I suppose but given their lack of Premier League experience you have to say it's unlikely.  I can't believe Lambert thinks more youngsters are the solution to our problems.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
They might help but not enough to give us real hope. Relying on signings like that to keep us up is like a blind man being given one dart to hit the bullseye. He can't lose anything by throwing it but can't really expect any success either.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Apyadg on January 31, 2013, 11:58:25 PM
No, they won't keep us up, and Lambert can pick himself up and go again to any other club, the useless fuck.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2013, 12:06:55 AM
Lambert has constantly said this month "There's no point bringing someone in if he's not better than what you've got". How do you square that with bringing in two more young guys who have never played at this level?!
I really hope they can hit the ground running but Lambert has been talking through his fucking hoop.

A fucking, embarassing disaster of a month finishing on a joke of an ending.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 01, 2013, 12:08:01 AM
Poll added.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Californian Villain on February 01, 2013, 12:17:38 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Bigmelonface on February 01, 2013, 12:19:41 AM
Wank
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: mark1968 on February 01, 2013, 12:24:32 AM
No! Let's just roll over and die shall we Randy?

Villa needs Obamacare! :P

Piss off Randy..
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Bigmelonface on February 01, 2013, 12:25:31 AM
Its all wank
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 01, 2013, 12:33:51 AM
I formed a very clear opinion that we would be going down after the Wigan game, and nothing that has happened since then to change my opinion.

Welcome back Bigmelonface.

And sharrap. :)
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Bigmelonface on February 01, 2013, 12:34:54 AM
yo sharrap :-)
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 01, 2013, 12:44:45 AM
Short term they have more chance of making us worse.  If that is possible.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Bigmelonface on February 01, 2013, 12:47:29 AM
oh yes that is very possible.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Ducksworthy on February 01, 2013, 01:43:07 AM
I think if we'd got Robbie Keane until the end of the season (I know it would never have happened) we'd be comfortably away from this nonsense. As it is, we've got what we've got and we have to work with that. If we stay up, something I still hold hope for, it will be by 1 point or by goal difference.

I'm realistic, however, and don't think it is likely.

It's sad. Sad, and if anything reflective of Birmingham in general. Tired, spent and accepting it. We need to rediscover some pride, some panache and some fight or we'll be regretting it for a long time to come, and not just in football.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 01, 2013, 02:19:40 AM
No they wont help keep us up. But thats not why they were signed. They were signed as part of our squad for next season. (is my guess anyway)
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 01, 2013, 07:07:13 AM
No.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: AV82EC on February 01, 2013, 07:11:49 AM
No.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: wolfman999 on February 01, 2013, 07:18:22 AM
Hell no. Can we start another poll, do you think we will survive in the championship?

To start the ball rolling, No.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: frank black on February 01, 2013, 07:25:01 AM
The game will pass Cilla by. With his impact being on our discipline leaugue table position.

The other chap? Can he defend corners?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: tim on February 01, 2013, 07:39:25 AM
Nope - it's too late I think.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 01, 2013, 07:51:26 AM
Dawkins is a 25 year old I have never heard of? Crikey. I despair with this lot at times.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on February 01, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
Willing to give them a chance. But what shite ambition
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 01, 2013, 08:10:30 AM
I doubt they'll even play. Sylla might get on the pitch at some stage. But no, they won't help us stay up.

The words "managed decline" come to mind.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: UK Redsox on February 01, 2013, 08:11:43 AM
They won't be a factor (not, that that's their fault)
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: robbo1874 on February 01, 2013, 08:12:35 AM
I think if we'd got Robbie Keane until the end of the season (I know it would never have happened) we'd be comfortably away from this nonsense. As it is, we've got what we've got and we have to work with that. If we stay up, something I still hold hope for, it will be by 1 point or by goal difference.

I'm realistic, however, and don't think it is likely.

It's sad. Sad, and if anything reflective of Birmingham in general. Tired, spent and accepting it. We need to rediscover some pride, some panache and some fight or we'll be regretting it for a long time to come, and not just in football.
It won't be by goal difference.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: prmort on February 01, 2013, 08:17:55 AM
No, no they won't.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: supertom on February 01, 2013, 08:19:54 AM
So I've spent the last 2-3 weeks ill, unable to get out of the hotel I was in to vent my spleen about how shite we've been. Now I return to England and my laptop just in time for the window's end and find we've done chuff all. A spurs cast off and a French second division player. Sylla actually rang a better because I think I signed him for my Pro Evo master league side a few years back. That's about all I know of him.
Is it enough? No.
We desperately needed 2 or 3 inspirational signings. Some quality, some eperience, some leadership. We've got none of that.

Frankly (spleen explosion...) Lambert and Lerner need to go ASAP. Lambert's just becoming clueless. He's as bad, if not worse than McLeish. McLeish did the same things when he signed. He talked the talk, he vocally addressed problems we'd had from the previous year and said he'd address them. He didn't of course. Lambert to me, has made more promises and failed in all counts.
Teams around us have done business. Newcastle have made some potentially brilliant signings. QPR have strengthened and if the add a cutting edge to the new resoluteness, they'll stay up. Wigan always seem to escape. Maybe they won't this year who know's, but we're in trouble.

Bon Voyage Premier league football.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: DerHammer on February 01, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
Why is yes even a choice? >:(
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Jimbo on February 01, 2013, 08:45:02 AM
This pair have been bought in preparation for the Championship, not in the hope of avoiding it.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2013, 08:46:26 AM
as others have very eloquently said.
Its not who they are, its who they are not.

No for me.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: TheMalandro on February 01, 2013, 08:47:41 AM
a 25 year old, unproven crock and a player that will take three months to adjust. (Who will probably turn out to be a mixture of Heskey and the Green Mile guy who is scared of the dark)

Down.

Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: ktvillan on February 01, 2013, 08:52:13 AM
I've no idea but it's highly unlikely given the levels they've been playing at previously.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 01, 2013, 08:58:39 AM
Best of luck to them is all I can say.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JB1811 on February 01, 2013, 09:04:38 AM
Have I been i a coma for several weeks, and missed these new players playing several game & stinking the place out?
 
How about giving someone a chance before writing them off as being useless.

We may still go down, but i would rather we had bought these two than spent £12.5m on Samba @ £100,000 per week and could still go down and heading towards going bust!

FFS give them a chance!
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: DerHammer on February 01, 2013, 09:10:32 AM
Have I been i a coma for several weeks, and missed these new players playing several game & stinking the place out?
 
How about giving someone a chance before writing them off as being useless.

We may still go down, but i would rather we had bought these two than spent £12.5m on Samba @ £100,000 per week and could still go down and heading towards going bust!

FFS give them a chance!

The Metro made me laugh this morning when they described Arry as the master wheeler dealer!! Master what?!?!?! Am I missing something here? What Master Wheeler Dealer spends £12.5m on an ageing defender & gives him £100k a week? He's done the equivalent of going to a sweet shop & buying a small bag of penny chews, handing over a £50 note & saying keep the change!! Master wheeler dealer? Master bellend more like
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: rutski on February 01, 2013, 09:13:11 AM
no, they wont help as we arent going down anyway! 
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JB1811 on February 01, 2013, 09:15:13 AM
Have I been i a coma for several weeks, and missed these new players playing several game & stinking the place out?
 
How about giving someone a chance before writing them off as being useless.

We may still go down, but i would rather we had bought these two than spent £12.5m on Samba @ £100,000 per week and could still go down and heading towards going bust!

FFS give them a chance!

The Metro made me laugh this morning when they described Arry as the master wheeler dealer!! Master what?!?!?! Am I missing something here? What Master Wheeler Dealer spends £12.5m on an ageing defender & gives him £100k a week? He's done the equivalent of going to a sweet shop & buying a small bag of penny chews, handing over a £50 note & saying keep the change!! Master wheeler dealer? Master bellend more like
I'm sure 'Arry must have said to Odenwingy something along the lines of "come on down, once you are here they will have to let you go, I'll get it sorted for you."
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 01, 2013, 09:15:50 AM
Have I been i a coma for several weeks, and missed these new players playing several game & stinking the place out?
 
How about giving someone a chance before writing them off as being useless.

We may still go down, but i would rather we had bought these two than spent £12.5m on Samba @ £100,000 per week and could still go down and heading towards going bust!

FFS give them a chance!

The Metro made me laugh this morning when they described Arry as the master wheeler dealer!! Master what?!?!?! Am I missing something here? What Master Wheeler Dealer spends £12.5m on an ageing defender & gives him £100k a week? He's done the equivalent of going to a sweet shop & buying a small bag of penny chews, handing over a £50 note & saying keep the change!! Master wheeler dealer? Master bellend more like

Completely agree. I'm looking at it now, it actually says he "works his magic". Presumably that's the kind of magic Portsmouth fans will be thanking him for in League 2 next season.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2013, 09:22:03 AM
At least this Sylla should add some balance to the side. Hope he's got a head like a concrete paving stone.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Brian Taylor on February 01, 2013, 09:26:28 AM
Scylla and Charybdis ..between the old rock and the hard place!
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: peter w on February 01, 2013, 09:28:21 AM
They'll try but we're gonners whatever Sylla and Dawkins do. Well, not 'whatever'.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 01, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
Lambert has been talking through his fucking hoop.



Yet another Villa manager who seems to specialise in this.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2013, 09:32:48 AM
I don't think deep down any of us expected the club the spend £15-20m on players in Jan but we should have brought in more and better than we have. I bet even the players were sat around watching SSN waiting for players to come in and they're probably as baffled as the rest of us.

When you lose to the likes of Bradford, Millwall, Southampton and Wigan then alarm bells start to ring. For Lambert, they obviously did'nt ring loud enough.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Mark H on February 01, 2013, 09:34:29 AM
No they will not - but we are building a great team for 2015 season
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: DerHammer on February 01, 2013, 09:40:03 AM
No they will not - but we are building a great team for 2015 season

I like you're thinking, unfortunately it doesn't help our present situation.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: jonzy85 on February 01, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
No, if we stay up it will be because some of our abysmally, under-performing current players will remember how to play with the round thing at their feet and that occasionally goes flying through the air in the direction of their heads. That, or else, they will realise the personal financial implications of going down and all of a sudden, give a s***! (Hoping there is relegation clauses in most of our players' contracts.)

But back to the original question, if Sylla does perform to a level that makes such an impact that the team starts winning matches, it will have been one of the best signings in a January window...ever. I just can't see it. Too big a job, for someone with so little experience and who has never shown he can even perform in the French 1st division.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on February 01, 2013, 09:42:10 AM
Not expecting much to be honest - but good luck to them .

Why weren't these players bought at the start of the window though ?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2013, 10:03:42 AM
Im sure Dawkins will provide assists for Bowery in the championship .
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Brian Taylor on February 01, 2013, 10:08:11 AM
Randy is totally borassic..simple as that. He, simply, cannot afford The Villa anymore. Not until his US investments recover, anyway! Who is coming in to take us out?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: ktvillan on February 01, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
They should both have the nickname "God", Sylla for God-Sylla and Dawkins for the irony.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: frank black on February 01, 2013, 10:11:31 AM
Not expecting much to be honest - but good luck to them .

Why weren't these players bought at the start of the window though ?

Because we only had thruppence to spend. Agents tell players to wait until the last moment before committing to relegation threatened teams.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: The Left Side on February 01, 2013, 10:59:54 AM
No, we could all see it happening too... but sadly the powers that be could not.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: 5ft811st2 Durham on February 01, 2013, 11:11:33 AM
As many will recall back in 87  there was serious speculation that we might sign  David Speedie  as a last throw of the dice albeit with Tony Dorigo going to Chelsea in part exchange.

In the end we bought Warren Aspinall a chubby 19 year old Everton reserve inside forward  who had never started a top flight game or scored any goals.

We all knew the game was up if that was the best we could do and  not surprisingly Aspinall made no impact at all, although in fairness he did pretty well in the 2nd division the following season.

Twenty six years on and history appears to be repeating itself and we are hoping for miracles from a couple of players who we have no way of knowing are even good enough to play at this level.

With these signings Lerner has placed his cards firmly on the table, and for reasons known only to him and his inner sanctum he sees the preservation of his long term stategy as far more important than avoiding relegation. 
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2013, 11:37:34 AM
As many will recall back in 87  there was serious speculation that we might sign  David Speedie  as a last throw of the dice albeit with Tony Dorigo going to Chelsea in part exchange.


I was thinking about that the other day. Speedie did'nt come and Birchy was sold to Wolves on the same day. I was gutted.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2013, 11:41:06 AM
I've voted yes mainly becuase I refuse the adopt the "we're already down so might as well stop caring" attitude which is gripping the site.  We don't look good but 1 lucky win from nothing could turn our season around and at the moment we're not adrift, if in 10 games time we're still down there and struggling then I'll start to change my tune but for now there's too many points to play for.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: eastie on February 01, 2013, 11:43:16 AM
As many will recall back in 87  there was serious speculation that we might sign  David Speedie  as a last throw of the dice albeit with Tony Dorigo going to Chelsea in part exchange.




I was thinking about that the other day. Speedie did'nt come and Birchy was sold to Wolves on the same day. I was gutted.

Speedie went to coventry and was a huge success there - i agree it was a bad mistake to miss out on him.
Please clampy could you tell me when you first began watching villa ?

Birchy didnt leave in 87 - he was with us when we won promotion.
I think  he left in 90/91?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Richard E on February 01, 2013, 11:47:48 AM
IF we stay up and they have played then in one sense they will have helped, yes. Are they the difference between us staying up and going down? Doubt it very much. 
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: glasses on February 01, 2013, 11:48:17 AM
Sylla might. Just.

A bit of stability in our midfield could really help out at both ends of the pitch. I've always believed that the centre midfield is the most important part of the team. It needs to be able to help with the defence when it's under pressure, and support when we are attacking.

Sylla in there with an improving Delph, and Westwood might give us a more solid core. Emphasis on the word might.

It's more hope than anything. We'll see.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2013, 11:51:56 AM
We have 2 points from the last 21 available, it will take an absolute miracle to turn us around.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
As many will recall back in 87  there was serious speculation that we might sign  David Speedie  as a last throw of the dice albeit with Tony Dorigo going to Chelsea in part exchange.




I was thinking about that the other day. Speedie did'nt come and Birchy was sold to Wolves on the same day. I was gutted.

Speedie went to coventry and was a huge success there - i agree it was a bad mistake to miss out on him.
Please clampy could you tell me when you first began watching villa ?

Birchy didnt leave in 87 - he was with us when we won promotion.
I think  he left in 90/91?

I don't know why i have it in my head that Birch left the same day we failed to get Speedie. It was a long time ago but yeah, Birch would have left early 90's.

Anyway, my dad first took me around 1983-ish. I started properly going around a couple of years after.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: eastie on February 01, 2013, 11:54:45 AM
As many will recall back in 87  there was serious speculation that we might sign  David Speedie  as a last throw of the dice albeit with Tony Dorigo going to Chelsea in part exchange.




I was thinking about that the other day. Speedie did'nt come and Birchy was sold to Wolves on the same day. I was gutted.

Speedie went to coventry and was a huge success there - i agree it was a bad mistake to miss out on him.
Please clampy could you tell me when you first began watching villa ?

Birchy didnt leave in 87 - he was with us when we won promotion.
I think  he left in 90/91?

I don't know why i have it in my head that Birch left the same day we failed to get Speedie. It was a long time ago but yeah, Birch would have left early 90's.

Anyway, my dad first took me around 1983-ish. I started properly going around a couple of years after.
.

Good to hear my old friend, maybe you are thinking of the time we were linked with him before he joined liverpool - that would be around the time birchy left?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
As many will recall back in 87  there was serious speculation that we might sign  David Speedie  as a last throw of the dice albeit with Tony Dorigo going to Chelsea in part exchange.




I was thinking about that the other day. Speedie did'nt come and Birchy was sold to Wolves on the same day. I was gutted.

Speedie went to coventry and was a huge success there - i agree it was a bad mistake to miss out on him.
Please clampy could you tell me when you first began watching villa ?

Birchy didnt leave in 87 - he was with us when we won promotion.
I think  he left in 90/91?

I don't know why i have it in my head that Birch left the same day we failed to get Speedie. It was a long time ago but yeah, Birch would have left early 90's.

Anyway, my dad first took me around 1983-ish. I started properly going around a couple of years after.
.

Good to hear my old friend, maybe you are thinking of the time we were linked with him before he joined liverpool - that would be around the time birchy left?

Possibly.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2013, 12:07:50 PM
I've voted yes mainly becuase I refuse the adopt the "we're already down so might as well stop caring" attitude which is gripping the site.  We don't look good but 1 lucky win from nothing could turn our season around and at the moment we're not adrift, if in 10 games time we're still down there and struggling then I'll start to change my tune but for now there's too many points to play for.

Same for me.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: supertom on February 01, 2013, 12:11:11 PM
We have 2 points from the last 21 available, it will take an absolute miracle to turn us around.
And the trouble is, it could easily be 2 points from our next 21 available, and the same for the last 21 available. I can't see us making 30 points.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: mr woo on February 01, 2013, 12:12:16 PM
Well, a bloke of Syllas build is what we've been crying out for all season.
Whether he turns out to be Yaya Toure or Isaiah Osbourne is another question...

Regardless, we'll still go down. With a whimper.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2013, 12:40:48 PM
Yacouba Sylla has been backed to bring much-needed "steel" to Villa's midfield after completing a deadline-day move from Clermont Foot.

Manager Paul Lambert insists Sylla is raring to go in claret and blue - and he has backed the French midfielder to adapt quickly to the rigours of the Barclays Premier League.

Lambert says the 22-year-old - who is eligible to make his debut against Everton on Saturday - will provide the "bite" in the central ground that his team have been lacking in recent weeks.

"He is a strong lad that we think might add a bit of bite in the middle of the pitch," said the Villa boss.

"We needed someone like that in there and hopefully he can adapt quickly.

"The lad will come in and give us something we don't have - a bit of steel there.

"He is someone who I think is raring to go and do it.

"As I say, he will give us something we haven't got in the middle."

Sylla, who was tracked by a host of clubs while playing in France's Ligue 2, has been labelled as a 'midfield destroyer'.

However, Lambert is reluctant to place unnecessary pressure on the Frenchman by comparing him to other players.

"I don't compare - it is an unfair judgement saying he is going to be like somebody," added Lambert.

"He will be his own player and his own man, which is all I want him to do - just be yourself, don't be anybody else."
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: eastie on February 01, 2013, 12:45:09 PM
Paul Lambert reckons new signing Simon Dawkins has the potential to "surprise a lot of people" during his loan spell at Villa.

Dawkins is ready to go straight into the squad for Saturday's clash at Everton after joining on a temporary basis from Tottenham Hotspur.

The 25-year-old arrives in B6 as something of an unknown quantity, having played all of his competitive football over the last couple of seasons in the MLS with San Jose Earthquakes.

Having tracked the attacking midfielder's progress during his stateside spell, Lambert believes he can be a surprise package for the claret and blues.

"He is a good player, Dawkins," the Villa chief said.

"If you look at his story, it is a great story, going from Spurs to San Jose.

"For the last couple of years he has been excellent over there and the MLS I think is a very underrated league when you look at it. "He will give us something a bit different.

"Dawkins will be a surprise to a lot people - just the way he plays the game.

"I think he will create things that can happen.

"He can play anywhere, which is good. He has had a spell out in America where he has been incredible.

"The lad is on loan and an unknown is sometimes a good thing because a lot of people won't know him."
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2013, 12:47:23 PM
He can play anywhere ?    Is that center back Paul ?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Simon Ward on February 01, 2013, 12:48:37 PM
Sylla can juggle a football! Surprise, Surprise!
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: eastie on February 01, 2013, 12:51:21 PM
A great story said lambert ?
He was at spurs 6 years and never played a first team game, was a flop on loan at orient and went to america where even lichaj looks good - whats so great about that story paul?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: DerHammer on February 01, 2013, 12:51:51 PM
Paul Lambert reckons new signing Simon Dawkins has the potential to "surprise a lot of people" during his loan spell at Villa.

Dawkins is ready to go straight into the squad for Saturday's clash at Everton after joining on a temporary basis from Tottenham Hotspur.

The 25-year-old arrives in B6 as something of an unknown quantity, having played all of his competitive football over the last couple of seasons in the MLS with San Jose Earthquakes.

Having tracked the attacking midfielder's progress during his stateside spell, Lambert believes he can be a surprise package for the claret and blues.

"He is a good player, Dawkins," the Villa chief said.

"If you look at his story, it is a great story, going from Spurs to San Jose.

"For the last couple of years he has been excellent over there and the MLS I think is a very underrated league when you look at it. "He will give us something a bit different.

"Dawkins will be a surprise to a lot people - just the way he plays the game.

"I think he will create things that can happen.

"He can play anywhere, which is good. He has had a spell out in America where he has been incredible.

"The lad is on loan and an unknown is sometimes a good thing because a lot of people won't know him."

Does that include Lambert?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Damo70 on February 01, 2013, 12:52:40 PM
Hopefully in years to come, as mid season signings they will be bracketed with Dennis Mortimer and David Platt. Also, after helping to kickstart a wonderful march up the table, next season they will be part of an entertaining young team challenging the top four whilst QPR are in the championship and in administration. Well, we can hope, can't we?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2013, 12:52:52 PM
Havent got a problem with signing Dawkins , as long as it was the 5th signing after a CB , experienced midfielder and even a LB.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2013, 12:53:51 PM
Hopefully in years to come, as mid season signings they will be bracketed with Dennis Mortimer and David Platt. Also, after helping to kickstart a wonderful march up the table, next season they will be part of an entertaining young team challenging the top four whilst QPR are in the championship and in administration. Well, we can hope, can't we?


The thing is , if we go down , it will probably keep QPR up.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2013, 12:53:52 PM
It's not a great story it's a pretty standard one for players who don't succeed at the top level. He will however be part of the story of the demise of Aston Villa under Lerner, he'll be last the player we signed before we were relegated.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 01, 2013, 12:56:29 PM
Only reason we will not end bottom is if some other club gets points deducted. Then we will maybe finish 19th
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Summers on February 01, 2013, 01:01:04 PM
Well they'll try. S'all we can ask of them.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Doorbell on February 01, 2013, 01:05:43 PM
I've voted yes mainly becuase I refuse the adopt the "we're already down so might as well stop caring" attitude which is gripping the site.  We don't look good but 1 lucky win from nothing could turn our season around and at the moment we're not adrift, if in 10 games time we're still down there and struggling then I'll start to change my tune but for now there's too many points to play for.

My sentiments exactly and why I voted yes also.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: neo_Villan on February 01, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
I doubt they'll even play. Sylla might get on the pitch at some stage. But no, they won't help us stay up.

The words "managed decline" come to mind.
I'd be extremely suprised if Sylla isn't thrown straight in. Dawkins will probably start off as an impact sub.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Boz on February 01, 2013, 01:58:43 PM
On their own, they can't keep the club up, but as a part of a squad willing to fight for every ball and give their all they could be a factor in Villa escaping relegation, but as a straight yes/no answer, it must be NO
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2013, 02:06:20 PM
A great story said lambert ?
He was at spurs 6 years and never played a first team game, was a flop on loan at orient and went to america where even lichaj looks good - whats so great about that story paul?

I think the great story thing is a reference to the injury troubles he had, from the summer of 2008 until March 2011 he pretty much never had a run of more than a month or so when he was fit, which led to him losing his contract with Tottenham and missing out on a number of trials with other sides.  Most comments regarding it seem to reflect that he worked his arse off training with tottenham for free in an attempt to prove he could stay fit and make it, earned a new contract for 2 years and went on loan to be very successful in the US.

You have to give him some credit for that level of determination.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: sonlyme on February 01, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
A simple yes or no, will these 2 inexperienced players be enough to help the team stay in the league?

Personally feel like Lerner has lost the plot and told Lambert he can have £2 million and a loanee to keep Villa up.

Gotta love this referendum question. 'A simple yes or no'?

Alec Salmond will be wanting you to word the Scottish Independence question given this form.  And should Cameron get into difficulty over Europe - you can expect a call from his lot too.

It's democracy, but not as we know it.

So tell me - when did you stop beating your wife?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2013, 02:55:14 PM
Just to clarify nearly 80% of this site think we're already relegated, when we're only in the bottom 3 on goal difference and have 14 games left play, is that right?

I know Lambert has said fight a lot recently but for fucks sake we could all do with showing a bit of spirit.  It's all well and good saying you're just being realistic but accepting relgation already is taking the piss.  Worry about it, look at the table and feel sad that things have come to this by all means but give up and go into mourning for the rest of the season, fuck that, I'll wait and see.  I just don't see all the other sides down three going on this run of wins that sees us cast adrift with games to spare, I certainly don't see why everyone thinks reading, wigan, qpr, southampton are all going to get some unlikely wins but we don't stand a chance.

Worry about it, sure accept; with over a third of the season to go, no fucking chance.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2013, 04:09:26 PM
Just to clarify nearly 80% of this site think we're already relegated, when we're only in the bottom 3 on goal difference and have 14 games left play, is that right?

I know Lambert has said fight a lot recently but for fucks sake we could all do with showing a bit of spirit.  It's all well and good saying you're just being realistic but accepting relgation already is taking the piss.  Worry about it, look at the table and feel sad that things have come to this by all means but give up and go into mourning for the rest of the season, fuck that, I'll wait and see.  I just don't see all the other sides down three going on this run of wins that sees us cast adrift with games to spare, I certainly don't see why everyone thinks reading, wigan, qpr, southampton are all going to get some unlikely wins but we don't stand a chance.

Worry about it, sure accept with over a third of the season to go, no fucking chance.

A-fucking-men, brother.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2013, 04:43:57 PM
Sylla will be in the team tomorrow I guess.  Not really holding out much hope, so please surprise me.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: django on February 01, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
Too right, we're not down yet, I wasn't expecting us to sign anyone so I'm pleasantly surprised. Get a point or more tomorrow and we might get a bit of belief back.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: monkeyboy on February 01, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
I feel like lobbing my John Thomas onto the dining table and attacking it with a carving knife, and when i've finished i'm going to pick it up and go again

this is level of frustration i feel.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse ......

Lambert is either the most stubborn human on the planet or has not got a clue - as for Lerner, guessing he thinks we'll get the first round pick it the draft if we finish rock bottom

Beeeeelllllllleeeeeennnnndddddsssss

UTV !!

Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: N'Zimidy on February 01, 2013, 05:47:15 PM
I feel like lobbing my John Thomas onto the dining table and attacking it with a carving knife, and when i've finished i'm going to pick it up and go again

this is level of frustration i feel.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse ......

Lambert is either the most stubborn human on the planet or has not got a clue - as for Lerner, guessing he thinks we'll get the first round pick it the draft if we finish rock bottom

Beeeeelllllllleeeeeennnnndddddsssss

UTV !!

Stubborn or hasn't got a clue? The man had about 50p to spend and got us a DMC and a winger we were desperately in need of. They might be shite but he's working with peanuts here.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2013, 05:49:45 PM
I feel like lobbing my John Thomas onto the dining table and attacking it with a carving knife, and when i've finished i'm going to pick it up and go again

this is level of frustration i feel.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse ......

Lambert is either the most stubborn human on the planet or has not got a clue - as for Lerner, guessing he thinks we'll get the first round pick it the draft if we finish rock bottom

Beeeeelllllllleeeeeennnnndddddsssss

UTV !!

Stubborn or hasn't got a clue? The man had about 50p to spend and got us a DMC and a winger we were desperately in need of. They might be shite but he's working with peanuts here.

Speculation by this dude:

http://hereisthecity.com/2013/02/01/ld-whats-going-on-at-aston-villa/?
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2013, 05:53:33 PM
No.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on February 02, 2013, 12:05:08 AM
If nothing else it will lift the the squad a tad. And with Sylla and KEA in front of the defence might make a difference. Also Dawkins has pace so might get the ball out quicker to Benteke-Weimann so a defiant yes ........
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Louzie0 on February 02, 2013, 12:19:27 AM
Our Sylla and our Simon will certainly make a difference. One defending the other one attacking.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2013, 12:26:18 AM
No. However it's up to all of them to get us out of this grime.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
I've had another article published about Villa's transfer window action. The rest is after the link:

http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/01-02-2013/villa-doomed-after-jan-transfer-disaster/815324

"It wasn't much, was it? A chortle at the neighbours and two signings so low-key, it probably came as a shock to their mothers when they were born. It's certainly not what Villa fans needed or wanted to see on the first of February. The day was always going to be dominated by 'Arry Redknapp and his driver's elbow, but outside the circus there should have been action at Bodymoor Heath. A heck of a lot more..."
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: martin o`who?? on February 02, 2013, 02:31:57 PM
Dunno about Sylla & Dawkins, you`d have to be Steven Hawkings to figure out a way of keeping us up at the moment.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: johnny from donny on February 02, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
no
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 02, 2013, 06:24:09 PM
I feel like lobbing my John Thomas onto the dining table and attacking it with a carving knife



Do it Reggie!

Then put it on youtube.
Title: Re: Will Sylla & Dawkins help Villa stay up?
Post by: martin o`who?? on February 03, 2013, 04:08:43 PM
I feel like lobbing my John Thomas onto the dining table and attacking it with a carving knife



Do it Reggie!

Then put it on youtube.
Actually, if he did that, he`s more likeley to put it on Redtube!!..... ;D
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