Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: old man villa fan on January 27, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
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I have read a lot in the papers and on here about how we were humiliated in the match on Friday.
Having just seen the end of the Leeds v Spurs match, the commentator summarised the match as a FA Cup shock. He made no mention of Spurs being humiliated by the Championship team. Considering Millwall are two places ahead of Leeds and we are light years behind Spurs, so why the difference in reporting.
Also, what about:
Norwich
QPR
and almost, Chelsea.
In my opinion, before the game the result was always on the cards, we did not play well and more agony was heaped on the supporters but were we really humiliated?
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More a combination of that & the Bradford mess.
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Claptrap- lambert said we dominated the game , are you saying hes wrong?
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I'm sorry, going out to a lower league team will always be humiliation in my book.
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More a combination of that & the Bradford mess.
So, what had gone before was used to comment on the match on Friday. Hardly a factual based view of the game then.
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This season is a humiliation. Maybe I read the wrong paper and listen to the wrong station but I haven't heard the Millwall defeat described as a humiliation but have where QPR are concerned.
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It has been a cumulative thing - Christmas plus both cups - and those other FA Cup results do give it proper context. Our defending for both Millwall goals was humiliating for our players.
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Claptrap- lambert said we dominated the game , are you saying hes wrong?
Different question, don't change the topic.
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The Millwall result would have probably happened even if we were top 6. It's the fact that we lose practically every game we play and look like relegation certainties ,is why we are attracting so much attention at the moment
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More a combination of that & the Bradford mess.
So, what had gone before was used to comment on the match on Friday. Hardly a factual based view of the game then.
We have gone out of two cup competitions to teams in divisions below us.
It's humiliating.
To add to this; the teams we lost too weren't even good teams.
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I think the season as a whole has been pretty humiliating.
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I can understand what OMVF is trying to say. Friday was more expected than humiliating. Bradford was the other way round.
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No we were not however in the context of what's been going on it was another nail....
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we weren't humiliated. both teams were poor.
i don't think it could be described as a shock either. a hostile ground and a team with no bollocks never bodes well.
journalists are going to stick the boot in. the demise of a big club makes a good story. it was the same with leeds united and when newcastle went down a few season ago. get used to it, it's only going to get worse.
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Personally I didn't view at as a humiliation but I wish Lambert hadn't bothered with his "we deserved a draw" stuff. When you've been beaten by a lower division side the thing to do is move on quietly.
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So, the current thinking is that because we have had a crap season and the team/club imploded since Chelsea, it is ok to use another defeat as fuel for the bonfire that is Aston Villa. Is that right and fair. I do not want people saying that my club was humiliated when it was an exaggeration to a defeat just to make a headline. Or should I just curl up and accept it like others.
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So, the current thinking is that because we have had a crap season and the team/club imploded since Chelsea, it is ok to use another defeat as fuel for the bonfire that is Aston Villa. Is that right and fair. I do not want people saying that my club was humiliated when it was an exaggeration to a defeat just to make a headline. Or should I just curl up and accept it like others.
Im not worried what people describe it as , it was a humiliating week rather than night - more worried about tuesday now , that game is gone.
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In isolation the Millwall game wasn't a humiliation. Far better sides in far better form have gone out of cups to sides a lot worse than Millwall. I remember us going out the LC under BFR to Grimsby, a full strength 80-82 side went out to Cambridge (who might have been a Div 4 side at the time). And so on.
What makes a difference now is that it came 3 days after Bradford and on the back of the really shite month we've had.
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After crashing out to Bradford in completely humiliating fashion, instead of coming out against Millwall and showing we were Lions we once again came out looking like Lambs and were beaten by another team that shouldn't be able to beat us.
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Sorry to sound pedantic but it depends on what you mean by humiliated.
I found it humiliating because it was so predictable. I did not expect us to beat Bradford and we did not. I did not expect to beat Millwall and we did not.
I find so many of our games humiliating because they are winnable and we just panic and run up the white flag.
I find the fact humiliating that only Ron Vlaar had the guts to come and face fans who had frozen their nuts off in a vile and hostile environment to witness yet another feeble performance. All the others, including the manager turned their backs on us and slunk off. the pitch.
I find it humiliating that an average player like Danny Shittu towered above our attack and our defence like Franz Beckenbauer.
The humiliation is cumulative.
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Sorry to sound pedantic but it depends on what you mean by humiliated.
I found it humiliating because it was so predictable. I did not expect us to beat Bradford and we did not. I did not expect to beat Millwall and we did not.
I'm guessing you meant you did not expect us to get through because we did beat them, just not by enough.. In a similar vein to the OP, I do wonder though if that result would look as bad if Swansea lost to them and Bradford won the cup. Yes it would be bad for us, but in the record books we would be one of 4 premier league teams to lose to them. Not that I see it happening though, Swansea should have the run of Wembley with their passing.
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Sorry to sound pedantic but it depends on what you mean by humiliated.
I found it humiliating because it was so predictable. I did not expect us to beat Bradford and we did not. I did not expect to beat Millwall and we did not.
I find so many of our games humiliating because they are winnable and we just panic and run up the white flag.
I find the fact humiliating that only Ron Vlaar had the guts to come and face fans who had frozen their nuts off in a vile and hostile environment to witness yet another feeble performance. All the others, including the manager turned their backs on us and slunk off. the pitch.
I find it humiliating that an average player like Danny Shittu towered above our attack and our defence like Franz Beckenbauer.
The humiliation is cumulative.
Brian, you are right in most of the things you said.
My thoughts are based on hearing "another humiliation for Aston Villa" after the match.
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For me it's been a cumulation of events since we were soundly thrashed by Chelsea.
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For me it's been a cumulation of events since we were soundly thrashed by Chelsea.
Agreed. Don't forget that that was our first game after that great week where we thought everything would be fine. It's so clear that the impact of that scoreline on their confidence has killed our season.
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I look forward to us being good again. I hope it's not a long time off.
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Getting knocked out by an U14s girls team would be humiliating, but losing to 11 other professional footballers isn't. it's all part of the magic of the cups and everyone gets to suffer it at some stage.
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The word 'humiliation' is an easy soundbite when describing a Premier league team being knocked out by a side in a lower division.
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The word 'humiliation' is an easy soundbite when describing a Premier league team being knocked out by a side in a lower division.
Liverpool humiliated by little Oldham. I do not expect to see that headline.
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Norwich
Liverpool
Tottenham
Any others this weekend?
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Oh, QPR.
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Millwall are the poorest excuse for a football team with played in uears. Percentage football donkeys to a man. So to be just as bad as them was indeed humiliating.
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Bloody Hell! We played a pretty strong team. We didn't create one clear-cut chance (goal came out of nothing from Weimann). Our only tactic was to pass back to Given who in turn hoofed it straight to Shittu. And people don't think that was a humiliation??
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Millwall are the poorest excuse for a football team with played in uears. Percentage football donkeys to a man. So to be just as bad as them was indeed humiliating.
I thought Bradford were really shit, to be honest.
Yes, they went through, but we didn't half make it easy for them. First half on Tuesday, they barely got out of their own half, we were so much better, it was almost embarrassing to watch.
Second half, they score, we go to pieces, and put them under absolutely no pressure whatsoever.
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Will Millwall be humiliated by Luton?
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That's why, for me, relegation seem probable: teams just don't have to play that well to beat us.
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It was the manner of our second half performance that's embarrassing more than the result.
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More a combination of that & the Bradford mess.
and the previous month.
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All set up for Man Pooh or Chelsea, it seems.
The magic of the FA Cup.
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The result and other recent results are disgraceful not humiliating. Our defending from corners or anything that's chucked into the box is disgraceful and humiliating.
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Think we can take a little consolation from some of the other results this weekend.
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It is the bl**dy Cup..Oldham and Leeds? Brentford draw...They all want it. Their moment of glory against overpaid, privileged, primadonnas of the PL!!
Oldham get less as a team than Gerrard does a week.
get on with the ultimate humiliation of relegation. Get Robbie Keane back to pull them together!
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Just be glad that we got Millwall and not Oldham! That Oldham side would have had a hatfull against our lot. They defended with everything they had at the end and kept their nerve through six minutes of stoppage time. Oh for commitment like that in our ranks in the coming weeks! But no, the Millwall result wasn't humiliating, the worst thing about it was that it wasn't a shock at all!
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It was not worse than losing 3-0 to Donny in 2005 as they're having a decent season in the championship and it's a horrible place to go.
But yeah so soon after Bradford which will probably never be beaten as our worst cup result it feels twice as bad.
Still nice of Norwich to lose to a non league team since 1989 so at least we can't attempt to break that record next season.
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Surely this is more a case of "how-are-the-nearly-mighty-fallen"?
The media circle like sharks when they sense blood. They tend to like the other relegation-threatened teams because of their savvy managers/owners who will give a quote unlike our mob who appear silent and sullen.
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I'm sorry, going out to a lower league team will always be humiliation in my book.
Although I see what you're saying, I think what Brian's pointing out is the the way media report it.
How can Millwall - Villa be a humiliation, yet Leeds - Spurs only a shock?
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Because Spurs are on the way to Wembley, Ossie's knees have gone all trembly...oh.
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I'm sorry, going out to a lower league team will always be humiliation in my book.
Although I see what you're saying, I think what Brian's pointing out is the the way media report it.
How can Millwall - Villa be a humiliation, yet Leeds - Spurs only a shock?
Because Leeds are a "massive club who belong in the premier league".
Thats not my view, but its a stock line for any number of people in the media.
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Away to an in-form Millwall on a Friday night is a tough tie no matter how well you are doing in the league.
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Away to an in-form Millwall on a Friday night is a tough tie no matter how well you are doing in the league.
If you call winning 2 of their last 7 league games "in form"
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I'm sorry, going out to a lower league team will always be humiliation in my book.
Dod you say that when it happened to O'Neill? Or just about every other manager?
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I'm sorry, going out to a lower league team will always be humiliation in my book.
Although I see what you're saying, I think what Brian's pointing out is the the way media report it.
How can Millwall - Villa be a humiliation, yet Leeds - Spurs only a shock?
Because Leeds are a "massive club who belong in the premier league".
Thats not my view, but its a stock line for any number of people in the media.
Surely that's irrelevant?
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Norwich
Liverpool
Tottenham
Any others this weekend?
Whitley Bay, favourites for the FA Vase and have won it in the past two years, were knocked out by Brantham Athletic.
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To be honest I wouldn't call it humiliation. It's a blessing in disquise. I think we could do without any extra games right now.
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I'm sorry, going out to a lower league team will always be humiliation in my book.
Although I see what you're saying, I think what Brian's pointing out is the the way media report it.
How can Millwall - Villa be a humiliation, yet Leeds - Spurs only a shock?
Because Leeds are a "massive club who belong in the premier league".
Thats not my view, but its a stock line for any number of people in the media.
Surely that's irrelevant?
I think it has some bearing on how the results are reported.
Leeds have also had some pretty close run games
with Arsenal over the last few years and knocked Man Utd out a few years ago.
That may be another reason why them knocking out premier league opposition is reported
as an upset rather than a humiliation.
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And Millwall have been to an FA Cup final during this century
So Why the humiliation tags
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I think its a perception thing.
Leeds are almost expected/fancied to get a few decent results and have a cup run.
Milwall by in large aren't.
Although I'm sure anyone who has watched us this season, probably did fancy Milwall
to give us problems.
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These posts underline how sensitive many have become over the state of things at B6. Call it what you like, but any way you look at it this was yet another result that isn't acceptable.