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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: treeve1 on January 25, 2013, 11:33:38 PM
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Most people have just about had enough of this and can see the inevitable staring us in the face. I was at VP on Tuesday and the crowd stuck with them, but it felt like a last stand. After tonight and still no transfer activity, will the Holte turn on Tuesday or do we still have the stomach for more? I was there when Houllier finally got it and it was toxic, TSM got it after Bolton. When will lambert get it?
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The crowd needs to turn on Randy. Randy needs to fuck off.
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It will depend on how we are doing.
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I hope not because that is not good for our kids on the pitch. Crowd needs to turn up not turn.
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I can see it being like Bolton last season if we go behind.
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Yes, it going to be ugly.
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The crowd needs to turn on Randy. Randy needs to fuck off.
Absolutely. Lerner and Faulkner need to get it.
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No, because no matter how bad it gets, apathy rules, and no one actually wants to be seen to be rocking the boat.
We can all moan and wail on here, but in the main, people just can't be arsed.
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Yes, if we lose.
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The crowd needs to turn on Randy. Randy needs to fuck off.
Absolutely. Lerner and Faulkner need to get it.
What's the song?
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Always look on the bright side of life?
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No, because no matter how bad it gets, apathy rules, and no one actually wants to be seen to be rocking the boat.
We can all moan and wail on here, but in the main, people just can't be arsed.
I am not apathetic, I will put a hole in the sodding boat.
I will be there whatever and I will tell then what I think whoever is in charge.
We will be here when this shower are long gone whatever division we are in.
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Always look on the bright side of life?
Hahaha
Bit late for that Leeg
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The Isle of Man contingent might ?
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Down, down, deeper and down?
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"I'm a billionaire and I'm OK; I sleep all night an I sleep all day"
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Absolutely. I think the crowd will turn.
We were already pissed off after Southampton, yet put our differences to one side for the Bradford home leg and waved our flags like idiots.
We kept our side of the bargain yet we were let down once again by the management and players.
I fully expect to roll over for Newcastle -we're THAT poor....
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Down, down, deeper and down?
Now you've caught the zeitgeist ;-)
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Another loss and I think vp will be pretty unpleasant. If he goes it's a month too late as we have no time to sign players.
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Absolutely. I think the crowd will turn.
We were already pissed off after Southampton, yet put our differences to one side for the Bradford home leg and waved our flags like idiots.
We kept our side of the bargain yet we were let down once again by the management and players.
I fully expect to roll over for Newcastle -we're THAT poor....
Fair bit of truth in this.
WE put on the show on Tuesday - WE played our part
Then THEY played exactly as we feared they would
This is like the social contract between state and populace - you do what keeps us happy and we will support you. Well that contract has been broken...
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There is also a feeling that if we somehow avoid relegation this will all be forgotten - no bloody chance - the owner/board/manager will still be on trial for the next season at least.
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ive got a feeling that karma is going to bite us on the arse after we humiliated them on the last day of the season .............0-3 >:(
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most definitely.
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The crowd have got every right to turn if we are subjected to yet another inadequate and clueless display. Sometimes the best way of showing your support is by showing your displeasure. The best and only place you can do this to maximum effect is at a match.
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We need a big banner saying 'Lerner- either shit or get off the pot'
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The fact of how far there is of the season to go, just shows how bad it has become. If it was several games to go maybe, 16 takes the piss.
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"You're not fit to own the Villa" (repeat)
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I dearly hope the abuse is not aimed at the players. A long and sustained "wheres the f#cking money?" would be welcome though.
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"You're not fit to own the Villa" (repeat)
I like that - but he wont be there!
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"You're not fit to own the Villa" (repeat)
And for Lambert "Your just a grey haired Michael Madsen"
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Trust me, they got the message tonight.
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"You're not fit to own the Villa" (repeat)
I like that - but he wont be there!
If its sung loud enough, he'll hear it in crystal clear digital surround sound whilst he watches the game in the comfort of his armchair in America.
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deep down everyones knows what it could be like on tues, if things are going wrong.
But the most annoying thing is, and im sure most agree is the pure lack of passion and effort these pricks are putting in.
As fans we can at least appreciate effort if your not good enough, but to be shit and stroll around OUR pitch like they do is a disgrace. And tbh there arn't many of our 1st team that this exempts, even gabby looks like he's had enough.
As much as i dont want to turn on lambert, he is the one that needs to motivate them, and make them tick.
(just look at QPR with Redknapp, same squad as previous managers, yet if you watch them he has them working their bollocks off; and its paying off. He's dropped the mercenaries and playing some professionals that may not be as good but at least show some desire/passion)
As much as i love this club, i think we may be down
UTV!
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The crowd needs to turn on Randy. Randy needs to fuck off.
This. Houllier and TSM were symptoms, so is Lambert. The one common denominator is Randy. Treat the disease, i.e show Randy he can do one.
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I hope not because that is not good for our kids on the pitch. Crowd needs to turn up not turn.
They are not kids. They are mostly in their early to mid 20s, i.e the age at which you know you have about eight to nine years left at the top level.
Sterling at Liverpool, Michael Owen when he burst onto the scene in 1997, Gabby in 2006. That's a kid. Bannan, Clark, Albrighton, Delph are not kids. They are simply not good enough.
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Out of everyone, i blame the players least. They're not good enough as a unit but they've had almost a season of terrible coaching and uncertainty regarding relief. In fact, i'm surprised they're not doing worse. You can berate them for being naive or even incomptent, but only one or two of them deserve abuse for not putting in effort.
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Trust me, they got the message tonight.
Loud and clear. I would love to have heard what they had to say about it.
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Trust me, they got the message tonight.
Loud and clear. I would love to have heard what they had to say about it.
what do you mean? what was said and by whom?
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Trust me, they got the message tonight.
Loud and clear. I would love to have heard what they had to say about it.
what do you mean? what was said and by whom?
I mean the players, the manager and the coaching staff.
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I can see it being like Bolton last season if we go behind.
not if - 'when'
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Trust me, they got the message tonight.
Loud and clear. I would love to have heard what they had to say about it.
what do you mean? what was said and by whom?
I never heard any chanting (there were loads of fans complaining though) regards Lerner. Quite a few fans joined the Millwall chant of 'you're getting sacked in the morning' and there was booing at the end and shouts of 'f**k off'.
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>:(time for randy to go >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I don't think we should get all over Lerner yet.
In any organization, the CEO (Faulkner) is the person who should shield the Shareholder (Lerner) from the harsh realities of business at the working level, and should be able to manage the Shareholder to get the right investment at the right time.
In addition, the CEO should set and control the operational strategy for the enterprise.
That"s what CEO's do. It doesn't matter what the business model is. That's the job of a CEO.
Faulkner is not managing Lerner. This is his job. He is CLEARLY not doing it.
Faulkner is not controlling any strategy..... we have no strategy.
To appoint Houllier, with a strong strategic reasoning (which I accepted at the time but then quickly felt was bullsh*t)
To then appoint McTw*t in complete contradiction of above strategy....
To then appoint Lambert (with no strategy, but we were all too grateful to notice)
We need a strong CEO who can manage the shareholder and strategic direction of the club.
Faulkner needs to be the target. Lerner still has money.
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The crowd needs to turn on Randy. Randy needs to fuck off.
This. Houllier and TSM were symptoms, so is Lambert. The one common denominator is Randy. Treat the disease, i.e show Randy he can do one.
Well said Irish - though none of the three done themselves any good depsite having many media friends
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"Where's all our money gone?"
The board are the ones that need to get grief, not the manager and players.
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I didn't get the sense that the fans had turned on Lambert last night TBH. I must have been the only one in my section directing my anger at him at F/T. It was the players who got the brunt of the dog's abuse from those around me. Having said that, I don't think it will take much to get the fans to spill over on Tuesday. I predict though that when we lose (not if), it won't be directed at one person. Randy, Lambert and the players will all get it.
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"he's taking us down, he's taking us down, randy leaner, he's taking us down"
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Tugby Villan is absolutely spot on, the role of the CEO/board of directors is to run a business to deliver a profit for the share holders (Lerner). The current state of the club is a direct result of allowing MON to recruit too many sub-standard players on grossly inflated salaries. This was shockingly poor leadership by Faulkener which has subsequently been made worse by breathtakingly poor managerial appointments as we struggle to get the business back on an acceptable operating basis. To make it worse an absence of strategic planning means everytime we appoint a new manager we rebuild the playing squad at huge cost.
Should we turn on them on Tuesday? YES!! PL is clearly not up to the job (Bannan and Delph?) and should go but most importantly the board must go as well and be replaced with one of vision and clear purpose. The club needs a new CEO/board of directors......FAULKENER MUST GO!! Time for Lerner to act.
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I don't think we should get all over Lerner yet.
In any organization, the CEO (Faulkner) is the person who should shield the Shareholder (Lerner) from the harsh realities of business at the working level, and should be able to manage the Shareholder to get the right investment at the right time.
In addition, the CEO should set and control the operational strategy for the enterprise.
That"s what CEO's do. It doesn't matter what the business model is. That's the job of a CEO.
Faulkner is not managing Lerner. This is his job. He is CLEARLY not doing it.
Faulkner is not controlling any strategy..... we have no strategy.
To appoint Houllier, with a strong strategic reasoning (which I accepted at the time but then quickly felt was bullsh*t)
To then appoint McTw*t in complete contradiction of above strategy....
To then appoint Lambert (with no strategy, but we were all too grateful to notice)
We need a strong CEO who can manage the shareholder and strategic direction of the club.
Faulkner needs to be the target. Lerner still has money.
Thank you, a very insightful and accurate post I reckon.
One of the smartest things is being able to manage your manager.
Faulkner, clearly has no abilities whatsoever in this respect.
I still think deep down Lerner probably does care, and I certainly think he has the financial resources to support the club properly.
However, he needs support,guidance and council from those around him, rather than yes men and boys who are out of their depth.
Why isn't Faulker steering his boss into spending money?
Why isn't Faulker insisting his boss invests in this transfer window ?
Why isn't Faulkner more vocal, talking about out situation and thereby putting Lerner on the spot, but doing it in a way that he is not accusing Lerner but leading him into doing he right thing?
It's because he does not have the skills or ability to do any of those things, or, simply,he is just scared of his boss.
Lambert is also in this bracket. I think he has been found wanting, and shown to be completely out of his depth. A smaller club like Norwich suited him, a massive club like Villa is just too big for him.
His comment after signing Benteke said so much about his mindset. He said that the amount of money he spent on buying Benteke 'frightened' him. Those are not the words of a big thinking,go-getting manager. They are the words of a small time, small club manager.
In my opinion, Faulkner and Lambert should be the targets of our immediate anger.
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I don't think we should get all over Lerner yet.
In any organization, the CEO (Faulkner) is the person who should shield the Shareholder (Lerner) from the harsh realities of business at the working level, and should be able to manage the Shareholder to get the right investment at the right time.
In addition, the CEO should set and control the operational strategy for the enterprise.
That"s what CEO's do. It doesn't matter what the business model is. That's the job of a CEO.
Faulkner is not managing Lerner. This is his job. He is CLEARLY not doing it.
Faulkner is not controlling any strategy..... we have no strategy.
To appoint Houllier, with a strong strategic reasoning (which I accepted at the time but then quickly felt was bullsh*t)
To then appoint McTw*t in complete contradiction of above strategy....
To then appoint Lambert (with no strategy, but we were all too grateful to notice)
We need a strong CEO who can manage the shareholder and strategic direction of the club.
Faulkner needs to be the target. Lerner still has money.
Thank you, a very insightful and accurate post I reckon.
One of the smartest things is being able to manage your manager.
Faulkner, clearly has no abilities whatsoever in this respect.
I still think deep down Lerner probably does care, and I certainly think he has the financial resources to support the club properly.
However, he needs support,guidance and council from those around him, rather than yes men and boys who are out of their depth.
Why isn't Faulker steering his boss into spending money?
Why isn't Faulker insisting his boss invests in this transfer window ?
Why isn't Faulkner more vocal, talking about out situation and thereby putting Lerner on the spot, but doing it in a way that he is not accusing Lerner but leading him into doing he right thing?
It's because he does not have the skills or ability to do any of those things, or, simply,he is just scared of his boss.
Lambert is also in this bracket. I think he has been found wanting, and shown to be completely out of his depth. A smaller club like Norwich suited him, a massive club like Villa is just too big for him.
His comment after signing Benteke said so much about his mindset. He said that the amount of money he spent on buying Benteke 'frightened' him. Those are not the words of a big thinking,go-getting manager. They are the words of a small time, small club manager.
In my opinion, Faulkner and Lambert should be the targets of our immediate anger.
Lerner wont even be there , i agree lambert and faulkner should be given both barrels.
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I don't think we should get all over Lerner yet.
In any organization, the CEO (Faulkner) is the person who should shield the Shareholder (Lerner) from the harsh realities of business at the working level, and should be able to manage the Shareholder to get the right investment at the right time.
In addition, the CEO should set and control the operational strategy for the enterprise.
That"s what CEO's do. It doesn't matter what the business model is. That's the job of a CEO.
Faulkner is not managing Lerner. This is his job. He is CLEARLY not doing it.
Faulkner is not controlling any strategy..... we have no strategy.
To appoint Houllier, with a strong strategic reasoning (which I accepted at the time but then quickly felt was bullsh*t)
To then appoint McTw*t in complete contradiction of above strategy....
To then appoint Lambert (with no strategy, but we were all too grateful to notice)
We need a strong CEO who can manage the shareholder and strategic direction of the club.
Faulkner needs to be the target. Lerner still has money.
Thank you, a very insightful and accurate post I reckon.
One of the smartest things is being able to manage your manager.
Faulkner, clearly has no abilities whatsoever in this respect.
I still think deep down Lerner probably does care, and I certainly think he has the financial resources to support the club properly.
However, he needs support,guidance and council from those around him, rather than yes men and boys who are out of their depth.
Why isn't Faulker steering his boss into spending money?
Why isn't Faulker insisting his boss invests in this transfer window ?
Why isn't Faulkner more vocal, talking about out situation and thereby putting Lerner on the spot, but doing it in a way that he is not accusing Lerner but leading him into doing he right thing?
It's because he does not have the skills or ability to do any of those things, or, simply,he is just scared of his boss.
Lambert is also in this bracket. I think he has been found wanting, and shown to be completely out of his depth. A smaller club like Norwich suited him, a massive club like Villa is just too big for him.
His comment after signing Benteke said so much about his mindset. He said that the amount of money he spent on buying Benteke 'frightened' him. Those are not the words of a big thinking,go-getting manager. They are the words of a small time, small club manager.
In my opinion, Faulkner and Lambert should be the targets of our immediate anger.
Lerner wont even be there , i agree lambert and faulkner should be given both barrels.
I reckon Faulkner is a Nose who has infiltrated our club with the sole purpose of destroying us. Any takers on that conspiracy theory?
It's a better shot than most other conspiracy theories.
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I think Tuesday will be the tipping point.
There's going to be a lot of smug Newcastle fans, wouldn't even surprise me if they brought banners.
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We should have a sign: Yank Go Home.
Oh, silly me, that's where he'll be.
On a more serious note, I think two cup exits to lower league teams in 4 days is the final tipping point. And EVERYONE responsible...and, yes, that includes the players, should get it both barrels.
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I think Tuesday will be the tipping point.
There's going to be a lot of smug Newcastle fans, wouldn't even surprise me if they brought banners.
The tipping point should already have been reached.
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I reckon Faulkner is a Nose who has infiltrated our club with the sole purpose of destroying us. Any takers on that conspiracy theory?
It's a better shot than most other conspiracy theories.
Agent Faulkner?
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We should have a sign: Yank Go Home.
Oh, silly me, that's where he'll be.
On a more serious note, I think two cup exits to lower league teams in 4 days is the final tipping point. And EVERYONE responsible...and, yes, that includes the players, should get it both barrels.
It really saddens me to say this, but, i agree with this post today. It is about time they all knew how we feel. Another sad day.
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I reckon Faulkner is a Nose who has infiltrated our club with the sole purpose of destroying us. Any takers on that conspiracy theory?
It's a better shot than most other conspiracy theories.
Agent Faulkner?
Dark glasses and one of those memory erasing pen thingy's ? :o
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I think we should all cut those scarves in half and send the 'Bright Future' half back to Villa
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I hope not because that is not good for our kids on the pitch. Crowd needs to turn up not turn.
They are not kids. They are mostly in their early to mid 20s, i.e the age at which you know you have about eight to nine years left at the top level.
Sterling at Liverpool, Michael Owen when he burst onto the scene in 1997, Gabby in 2006. That's a kid. Bannan, Clark, Albrighton, Delph are not kids. They are simply not good enough.
Soton's Shaw is a kid at 17 years old and made our players look hinckley Utd quality.
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Song? Based on:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
And the lion rampant banner in defeat shall wave
O'er Lerner and Lambert who dug Villa this grave.
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I think its a distinct possibility, 1 goal at the wrong end and its Bolton all over again i reckon.
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I think Tuesday could turn like the Bolton game did last season under McLeish.
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It will turn nasty on Tuesday and deservedly so.
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Let's hope Lambert's family aren't in attendence like McLeish's were during the Bolton game.
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It will turn nasty on Tuesday and deservedly so.
I quite agree, enough is enough. They don't care about us so they can have it back with two barrells
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I think we should all cut those scarves in half and send the 'Bright Future' half back to Villa
That's not a bad idea.
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I think we should all cut those scarves in half and send the 'Bright Future' half back to Villa
That's not a bad idea.
Great idea, I would go with that.
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The crowd needs to turn on Randy. Randy needs to fuck off.
This. I won't be there but there's no point berating players because they're not good enough. Blame the idiots who have got us into this situation over the last few years.
By all means have a go at oxygen thieves like Stephen Ireland though.
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I think Tuesday will be the tipping point.
There's going to be a lot of smug Newcastle fans, wouldn't even surprise me if they brought banners.
Good point and you can't blame them. If you're going to dish it out, you've got to be prepared to take a bit back.