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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 06:08:36 PM
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just a quickie which i will delete after, but Brian Doogan, our press man, is on WM now
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It's cringeworthy.
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He is slime.
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What's he saying?
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PR machine in overdrive here
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It really is toe-curlingly bad to listen to.
Utter denial, and missing of the point.
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He's a press man, of course he's slime. Honest men don't go in to PR.
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Being in exile I don't have access to the interview. What is he saying?
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just a quickie which i will delete after, but Brian Doogan, our press man, is on WM now
Does he work part time?
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Being in exile I don't have access to the interview. What is he saying?
You can listen on website thats how i have it on
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wm
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Never mind getting knocked out of a 2 legged semi final against a team 3 leagues below us, we just have to look to the future.
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Being in exile I don't have access to the interview. What is he saying?
It's young players, we're not that bad, it's a vision for the future, blah blah blah.
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This guy is a joker
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not a single question about buying players this window.
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From what I can gather, the message from the club is 'Stop complaining, chin up, in a few years it'll all be alright'.
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
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Franks asked if he could speak to Lerner next time as he finished the interview and was met with silence.
Says it all really.
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I thought it was DD coming back from the other side.......would be of more interest if you ask me
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
He didn't actually answer any questions, though, that's the problem. He just spouted out the line about building a young team, how we have ups and downs and side stepped anything raised about the fact we've won four or five league games all year.
It's one thing to point at Anfield as evidence of the ups and downs of the game, but another one to then skim over the following 8-0, 4-0, 3-0 losses.
He also seemed to think that taking a two goal lead at Albion but then ending up with a point was a show of great hope. We need to win matches, not draw them.
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
Doogan did what mitt Romney did, answer questions without actually answering them!
The message was simply, transition, belief in youngsters and they 'work hard'
Load of pr bull
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
Doogan did what mitt Romney did, answer questions without actually answering them!
The message was simply, transition, belief in youngsters and they 'work hard'
Load of pr bull
What else did you expect?
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
He didn't actually answer any questions, though, that's the problem. He just spouted out the line about building a young team, how we have ups and downs and side stepped anything raised about the fact we've won four or five league games all year.
It's one thing to point at Anfield as evidence of the ups and downs of the game, but another one to then skim over the following 8-0, 4-0, 3-0 losses.
He also seemed to think that taking a two goal lead at Albion but then ending up with a point was a show of great hope. We need to win matches, not draw them.
I'd say that he's just reiterating a club policy that we already know.
Of course he's going to be optimistic, I mean he's hardly likely to say 'yep we're fuc*ed'
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I can kind of sympathise on that front, I mean what could he say to that, really? "Yeah it's not good enough, Lambert better get his shit together"? He either tries to empthasise the very few positives we have had over the course of the season, or all of the headlines will be about the club speaking out about the manager.
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He's a press man, of course he's slime. Honest men don't go in to PR.
No offence taken.
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That's a shame, plenty was intended!
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
He didn't actually answer any questions, though, that's the problem. He just spouted out the line about building a young team, how we have ups and downs and side stepped anything raised about the fact we've won four or five league games all year.
It's one thing to point at Anfield as evidence of the ups and downs of the game, but another one to then skim over the following 8-0, 4-0, 3-0 losses.
He also seemed to think that taking a two goal lead at Albion but then ending up with a point was a show of great hope. We need to win matches, not draw them.
I'd say that he's just reiterating a club policy that we already know.
Of course he's going to be optimistic, I mean he's hardly likely to say 'yep we're fuc*ed'
There's optimistic and there's being woefully out of touch with reality.
It's all very well going on and on about their plan (whatever the question was, that's all the answer ever was) without touching on the fact that we're looking at grave risk of relegation.
Building a young team with class like Benteke is what he referred to several times - does he seriously think Benteke will be here if we get relegated? Not to mention a few of the other better players.
Of course they won't.
I totally understand how these things work, I get that he's not going to say "everything is shit", of course he isn't, and I didn't want him to, but I was hoping we'd hear something to suggest they're more in touch with reality than they seem to be.
We didn't, and to be honest, personally, I think they're even more out of touch than I previously did.
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
Doogan did what mitt Romney did, answer questions without actually answering them!
The message was simply, transition, belief in youngsters and they 'work hard'
Load of pr bull
What else did you expect?
Didnt expect anything! Don't expect anything from any of them.
The fact out chairman couldn't even be bothered to turn up at VP for a major cup semi final, speaks volumes of the 'true' interest
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Didnt expect anything! Don't expect anything from any of them.
The fact out chairman couldn't even be bothered to turn up at VP for a major cup semi final, speaks volumes of the 'true' interest
He skipped around that one.
"Was Randy at the match on Tuesday?"
"He watched the match, he sees all the matches"
"Was he actually in the stand, or at home in America"
"He watched it at home in America, he always does"
Maybe that's what we should all do, to demonstrate our similar level of support - just watch the matches at home.
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Didnt expect anything! Don't expect anything from any of them.
The fact out chairman couldn't even be bothered to turn up at VP for a major cup semi final, speaks volumes of the 'true' interest
"Was Randy at the match on Tuesday?"
"He watched the match, he sees all the matches"
"Was he actually in the stand, or at home in America"
"He watched it at home in America, he always does"
Maybe that's what we should all do, to demonstrate our similar level of support - just watch the matches at home.
Maybe randy can suggest a decent stream (in a private message of course) ;-)
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We've been complaining about the lack of communication and now we've had someone on from the club for nearly 30mins answering our questions. Surely this is what we wanted, isn't it?
Doogan did what mitt Romney did, answer questions without actually answering them!
The message was simply, transition, belief in youngsters and they 'work hard'
Load of pr bull
What else did you expect?
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From what I can gather, the message from the club is 'Stop complaining, chin up, in a few years it'll all be alright'.
If we're to improve, maybe this is true.
I'm sure Everton were shit under Moyes for a while.
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Doogan seemed very sure that their were enough green shoots shown to indicate we'd stay up. Call it total denial if you will, but he seemed very clear about it.
No matter how hard our fans press, he's not going to realistically talk about relegation. Are they in denial, I don't know, but Doogan seems to have a lot more confidence in the team than us.
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Doogan seemed very sure that their were enough green shoots shown to indicate we'd stay up. Call it total denial if you will, but he seemed very clear about it.
No matter how hard our fans press, he's not going to realistically talk about relegation. Are they in denial, I don't know, but Doogan seems to have a lot more confidence in the team than us.
Randy should make him manager then.
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Just another in the long line of yes men.
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Doogan seemed very sure that their were enough green shoots shown to indicate we'd stay up. Call it total denial if you will, but he seemed very clear about it.
No matter how hard our fans press, he's not going to realistically talk about relegation. Are they in denial, I don't know, but Doogan seems to have a lot more confidence in the team than us.
Who was that fella in Iraq?
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Doogan seemed very sure that their were enough green shoots shown to indicate we'd stay up. Call it total denial if you will, but he seemed very clear about it.
No matter how hard our fans press, he's not going to realistically talk about relegation. Are they in denial, I don't know, but Doogan seems to have a lot more confidence in the team than us.
Who was that fella in Iraq?
Ahhh Comical Ali...... I can neither deny or confirm that he was like him.
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Doogan seemed very sure that their were enough green shoots shown to indicate we'd stay up. Call it total denial if you will, but he seemed very clear about it.
No matter how hard our fans press, he's not going to realistically talk about relegation. Are they in denial, I don't know, but Doogan seems to have a lot more confidence in the team than us.
Who was that fella in Iraq?
Chemical Ali/Comical Ali???
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Doogan seemed very sure that their were enough green shoots shown to indicate we'd stay up. Call it total denial if you will, but he seemed very clear about it.
No matter how hard our fans press, he's not going to realistically talk about relegation. Are they in denial, I don't know, but Doogan seems to have a lot more confidence in the team than us.
Who was that fella in Iraq?
Ahhh Comical Ali...... I can neither deny or confirm that he was like him.
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Did people really think they're gonna say anything different?
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Ooops sorry, trigger happy there.
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He did seem to strongly suggest without saying it directly that there would likely be no business done in the remaining days of the window. He strongly suggested that it was the managers intention to see out the rest of the season with what we have got. If that is the case then we really have to hold PL to account at the end of the season not now.
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Put Doogan into PR at HMV, Jessops or Blockbuster and in the past few weeks he'd have come out with the usual corporate line until the unthinkable happens.
Well the unthinkable happened to HMV, Jessops & Blockbuster and the unthinkable is fast becoming a dangerous reality for my team.
You can understand the club wanting to reach out to the fans but to do it in such a half-arsed way with a total lack of substance does not sooth any worries.
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Comical Ali-Perfect.
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That's a shame, plenty was intended!
We're not all that bad.
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Just another in the long line of yes men.
Doogan was brought in by O'Neill.
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Oh dear, am listening to Doogan on WM right now and no wonder the club is in the mess it is ,if he is any thing to go by .According to him everything at VP is not really so bad,we just have to be patient.This bloke should be on Question time the way he actually fails to answer anything.
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Just another in the long line of yes men.
Doogan was brought in by O'Neill.
Good mates.
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I didn't hear the interview but would be interested to know, was he wheeled out to placate things following the questions being posed by the mail this week, or was he due to be on anyway?
Because, if it WAS in response to the mail questions, at least it means the article registered with the club, which must be good...mustn't it?
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He was Midlands reporter for the Express when MON was at Leicester, later went onto the Sunday Times and then left journalism to join us.
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Just another in the long line of yes men.
Doogan was brought in by O'Neill.
Good mates.
He wasn't happy when his mate waltzed off and left him.
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I didn't hear the interview but would be interested to know, was he wheeled out to placate things following the questions being posed by the mail this week, or was he due to be on anyway?
Because, if it WAS in response to the mail questions, at least it means the article registered with the club, which must be good...mustn't it?
In response to the Mail front page not the questions.
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My theory is that he was wheeled out in a hurry because the club (ie probably him) realised that this week in the biggest local newspaper, we have had two stories about Villa.
One was the manager saying how the owner had told him his job is safe, even if we go down.
The other was the manager replying to "are there any irons in the fire?" with "nope", and "are you confident of getting people in?" with "not really".
Those two stories, which might not be particularly noteworthy on their own, combined in the same week to produce a view of the club which was really not very impressive.
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Utter gash from media man at Villa, pr spin at its best.
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Has it become normal for clubs to send out PR men for interviews? Have I missed something, as I can't think of an analogous situation with another club? Surely it is normally the owner, chief executive, manager, or member of the coaching or playing staff that deals with these things.
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Perhaps he couldn't come up with any responses that would reflect terribly well on Lerner or Villa.
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Blimey shows how much I keep track of that side of the club, I thought Phil Mepham still did the PR!
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Heard him on tom ross earlier, utter tosh he was coming out with...
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I'd like the twat to try and spin the positives out of that.
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Has it become normal for clubs to send out PR men for interviews? Have I missed something, as I can't think of an analogous situation with another club? Surely it is normally the owner, chief executive, manager, or member of the coaching or playing staff that deals with these things.
Not on the night of a match.
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If the club thought things were so bad why wasn't PF brought up to the plate.I can see a double sacking taking place.
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During the WM thing today, Doogan was arguing that the current run isn't quite as bad as people are making out.
He pointed out that last week, we went to Albion and got a point, "and we took a two goal lead".
What he doesn't seem to realise is that the Albion match was an absolute text book demonstration of the weaknesses that have got us where we are.
Decent first half? Check.
Got ourselves in with a chance? Check.
Concende early goal in second half? Check.
Go to pieces after, eventually end up hanging on for a point? Check.
The very fact that getting a point at Albion is lauded by one of the senior management of the club as evidence that, actually, we're all wrong, it's not so bad, speaks volumes.
It's like they think a point every now and then is enough, that you don't have to actually WIN matches.
I understand the thinking behind Doogan going on air and answering questions, but for me, all he did was demonstrate just how much of a reality distortion field the upper management of the club are operating within.
It'd be laughable if it wasn't so utterly depressing.
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He is not a football man,that is why he talks a load of shite.
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It's here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0135lmn) from about six minutes in. Toe curling stuff. It's up there with Damon v Ed.
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It's here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0135lmn) from about six minutes in. Toe curling stuff. It's up there with Damon v Ed.
Dear god. Against my better judgement i'm listening to it. We've got a club totally populated with mini-Lerners. Yes-men every one of them.
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Pissing hell (7.06 mins) "you pick yourself up" Its bloody catching
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Just listened to it. We are in real trouble. That was a horrible piece of defensive shite.
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At West Brom “we actually did very good football” and I listened to this three times to make sure that was what he said. He comes across as Martin O'Neill's guileless little brother.
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I wouldn't listen to it on principle. The principle that it would be unmitigated shite.
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At West Brom “we actually did very good football” and I listened to this three times to make sure that was what he said. He comes across as Martin O'Neill's guileless little brother.
Just got to that. reminds me of that twat who's just got sacked from MOTD.
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Sounds like DOL
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Just listened to it and I'm so depressed, Lerner is our Ken Wheldon.
This guy Doogan is talking complete and utter shite and yet again sums up the state of affairs. They put out a PR person (who doesn't sound very good by the way) instead of a football person to answer fans questions.
His logic is akin to that of an 8 year old. We're completely fucked.
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Throwing logs on the fire.
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You can hear the incredulence of the supporters that are calling in in their voices - you just cannot reason with idiots and this is a very good example.
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Spinnin' and spinnin' and spinnin' around
(I'm) out on the town I'm never coming down
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I thought the callers generally were good, albeit not allowed to get into a decent argument with robot man. The most telling moment is at the end... 'maybe next time we will do it again with Randy Lerner' ... no answer... 'oh, he's gone'.
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Is there a single person at the club who doesn't sound incompetent?
It appears it doesn't matter than we've only won 3 home league games in 12 months or got knocked out by a 4th division club or conceded 18 goals in a row or have conceded more than 60 goals from corners or crosses in 2 1/2 years. No, it's all ok because we won at Anfield.....
This father dougal guy needs fucking sacking aswell, add him to the list.
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Doogan has been wheeled out before at times like this. I have not spoken to him but have been nearby and found him to be a big head, swanning around like he owns the club. I suppose he gets away with that as Lerner is never here to swan around.
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He sounds very condescending. As someone said on the first page, pure slime.
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The very fact that getting a point at an understrength and struggling Albion is lauded by one of the senior management of the club as evidence that, actually, we're all wrong, it's not so bad, speaks volumes.
Fixed.
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He also mentioned missing 'experienced' players like Petrov, Dunne and Vlaar for a big part of the season. That just shows the lack of depth in the squad, especially seasoned pros. Doogan is as useless as Lerner and Faulkner. Come to think of it, why hasn't the other coward Faulkner made any statement on this severe crisis?
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Has it become normal for clubs to send out PR men for interviews? Have I missed something, as I can't think of an analogous situation with another club? Surely it is normally the owner, chief executive, manager, or member of the coaching or playing staff that deals with these things.
Not on the night of a match.
Fair point, Dave.