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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: VillaAlways on January 23, 2013, 12:23:00 AM
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Anyone else having problems keeping their children interested? I've been taking my girls down for 7 years now,and I am now literally having to drag them down by their hair "Mommy they always lose"they say. Tonight was the final straw I'd stupidly guaranteed goals galore to be given the I told you so look. Anybody else struggling to keep your offspring's interested and have they ever threatened to support another side?
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Having problems motivating myself never mind the kids
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My 6 year old lad said to me after Wigan scored the 3rd goal... "Dad, why do our players not stand by their players to stop them scoring? We're a bit rubbish aren't we?"
My 6 year old son can see it. Shame Rab C Lambert can't...
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Nah, my 13yr battled the tears leaving the lower north but he's got the bug that I have, daft fucker! ;D
vtid
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Fair enough.
Encourage 'em to stay at home doing the cooking, cleaning and ironing.
Everyone's a winner,
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
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My Grandson still loves us. He can't wait for his Freddy 5 kit that his Grandad is going to buy him for his Birthday. The poor, poor lad.
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Neither do I. I wish I did.
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Anyone else having problems keeping their children interested? I've been taking my girls down for 7 years now,and I am now literally having to drag them down by their hair "Mommy they always lose"they say. Tonight was the final straw I'd stupidly guaranteed goals galore to be given the I told you so look. Anybody else struggling. To keep your offspring's interested and have they ever threatened to support another side?
are you joking, dont make your kids do anything they dont want to do. all the woe is me is going to start now isnt it, take them dancing if they dont want to come. simple!
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Why don't you do one? Aston Villa is bigger than a bad spell an horrific event, If I had a 100 kids I'd make sure everyone was claret and blue!
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my 8 year old and 6 year old are oblivious to the depths we are in...last 2 games they have seen have been 2-1 wins againts ipswich and bradford...don't know what all the fuss is about ;)
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Anyone else having problems keeping their children interested? I've been taking my girls down for 7 years now,and I am now literally having to drag them down by their hair "Mommy they always lose"they say. Tonight was the final straw I'd stupidly guaranteed goals galore to be given the I told you so look. Anybody else struggling. To keep your offspring's interested and have they ever threatened to support another side?
are you joking, dont make your kids do anything they dont want to do. all the woe is me is going to start now isnt it, take them dancing if they dont want to come. simple!
Well yes,that means I can't go either then :(
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Why don't you do one? Aston Villa is bigger than a bad spell an horrific event, If I had a 100 kids I'd make sure everyone was claret and blue!
I don't have any children either. My Grandson is Villa through-and-through. What is your point?
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Why don't you do one? Aston Villa is bigger than a bad spell an horrific event, If I had a 100 kids I'd make sure everyone was claret and blue!
Why should he "do one"?
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Not making the slightest effort to interest my kids in Villa, and I certainly wouldn't pressure them to go. If they develop an interest I will encourage them, same with music, art, or whatever. However if they develop an interest in any of the sky 4 / CL elite they are leaving home pronto.
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Why don't you do one? Aston Villa is bigger than a bad spell an horrific event, If I had a 100 kids I'd make sure everyone was claret and blue!
Why should he "do one"?
He's not gonna bring his kids up as Villa fans because of this? Suffering fuck were at rock bottom but we always gonna be Aston Villa.
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Anyone else having problems keeping their children interested? I've been taking my girls down for 7 years now,and I am now literally having to drag them down by their hair "Mommy they always lose"they say. Tonight was the final straw I'd stupidly guaranteed goals galore to be given the I told you so look. Anybody else struggling. To keep your offspring's interested and have they ever threatened to support another side?
are you joking, dont make your kids do anything they dont want to do. all the woe is me is going to start now isnt it, take them dancing if they dont want to come. simple!
Well yes,that means I can't go either then :(
your kids are important, if they dont want to go dont take them, if you want to go just fucking go, man up you pussy!
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Look, you have no choice. This could well be the alternative, child cruelty is unforgivable.
(http://www.thebeestees.co.uk/images/user/thumbnails/ptshirt_ds_birmingham.jpg)
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Why don't you do one? Aston Villa is bigger than a bad spell an horrific event, If I had a 100 kids I'd make sure everyone was claret and blue!
Why should he "do one"?
He's not gonna bring his kids up as Villa fans because of this? Suffering fuck were at rock bottom but we always gonna be Aston Villa.
If I ever have kids and they support villa I will be thrilled! I'm just not going to 'push it'. If they find villa, great, but I would want it to be organic and not something I pushed on them especially with it being something that can be more torture than pleasure.
Where's the problem?
I can't believe I am debating the parenting of kids I don't even have!
Edit. I took my new girlfriend to the pub to watch that tonight. We started going out in October and by the end she was encouraging me! Right until the end she was saying stuff like 'They might get a penalty or something', 'at least they can focus on the league now'....She's definitely a keeper!
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I am bringing my 54 year old dad to his first villa game on 10 February and am already €80 down on the flight because the fixture was changed to the Sunday.
We are mad, aren't we?
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I am royally fucked off and just got home. Following ill timing texts straight after match from my wife about put in context the overpaid Villa players don't love you as much as your girls do etc etc!
I have just been into to kiss Bella (7) and Sienna (4) goodnight and tell them i love them like I always do and Bella woke to say I know the Villa lost but don't worry I love you more than the Villa or anything in the world and gave me the biggest squeeze before falling back into deepnsleep.
I have dragged them both down the Villa - both first games aged 3 vs WBA like mine was but not sure I will ever get them hooked like I hoped. Cest la vie but who can argue my first game was 1977 and I had things to look forward to
Anyway I have never been so down as a Villa fan as I am tonight but boy did that little moment make me feel that bit happier and remember that no matter how much it hurts i have them.
Tonight I hate you Aston Villa but im afraid will always love you
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No, you're exemplary.
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I am royally fucked off and just got home. Following ill timing texts straight after match from my wife about put in context the overpaid Villa players don't love you as much as your girls do etc etc!
I have just been into to kiss Bella (7) and Sienna (4) goodnight and tell them i love them like I always do and Bella woke to say I know the Villa lost but don't worry I love you more than the Villa or anything in the world and gave me the biggest squeeze before falling back into deepnsleep.
I have dragged them both down the Villa - both first games aged 3 vs WBA like mine was but not sure I will ever get them hooked like I hoped. Cest la vie but who can argue my first game was 1977 and I had things to look forward to
Anyway I have never been so down as a Villa fan as I am tonight but boy did that little moment make me feel that bit happier and remember that no matter how much it hurts i have them.
Tonight I hate you Aston Villa but im afraid will always love you
This is amazing. I really wish I could have experienced similar.
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my two boys are villa through and through. there isnt one iota of me that hadnt wished that from the day they were born.
No matter where they are in the world, no matter what time it is, whether i have spoken to them for a week or a month, i know that at final whistle time we will be thinking about the same thing! THE VILLA!
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I've had to resort to telling my 7 year old daughter that Kate Middleton is a Villa fan to keep her interest!
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I've had to resort to telling my 7 year old daughter that Kate Middleton is a Villa fan to keep her interest!
I hadn't thought of that.Do you think Miranda is a Villa fan?
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I've had to resort to telling my 7 year old daughter that Kate Middleton is a Villa fan to keep her interest!
I hadn't thought of that.Do you think Miranda is a Villa fan?
She is shit enough and unfunny enough to be a first team player never mind a fan.
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Why don't you do one? Aston Villa is bigger than a bad spell an horrific event, If I had a 100 kids I'd make sure everyone was claret and blue!
Agree. If my kids don't support Villa they can start looking for an orphanage.
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When he is with me, my son (11) is as big a Villa fan as I am, when he is out with his friends or at school he has so many other things going on that he might not even know that they are playing.
On nights like tonight it is really good that he is not a grumpy git like his old man and he helps distract me from the Villa and enjoy other things.
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Nah, my 13yr battled the tears leaving the lower north but he's got the bug that I have, daft fucker! ;D
vtid
Fair play to you and your kid, mate.
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Anyone else having problems keeping their children interested? I've been taking my girls down for 7 years now,and I am now literally having to drag them down by their hair "Mommy they always lose"they say. Tonight was the final straw I'd stupidly guaranteed goals galore to be given the I told you so look. Anybody else struggling. To keep your offspring's interested and have they ever threatened to support another side?
Anyone that "guaranteed goals" before a trip to VP should either know better or hasn't watched many games in the last three years.
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Believe me I've watched lots of games Californian Villain. It's called blind optimism
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My 9 year old daughter said last night "Why cant we mark people at their corners, and why are ours always so rubbish? why dont they practice them?" I may get her to apply to be the next manager!
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Anyone else having problems keeping their children interested? I've been taking my girls down for 7 years now,and I am now literally having to drag them down by their hair "Mommy they always lose"they say. Tonight was the final straw I'd stupidly guaranteed goals galore to be given the I told you so look. Anybody else struggling. To keep your offspring's interested and have they ever threatened to support another side?
Anyone that "guaranteed goals" before a trip to VP should either know better or hasn't watched many games in the last three years.
I dunno, I think watching Villa does guarantee goals. That's why Sky have picked us for more games. It's just a shame the goals are going in the wrong end.
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My Lad still loves it.
He reenacted the Bradford game on his FIFA 13 and said to me
'It's ok Dad, we've beaten them 3-0.'
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My two were born down here. They are 7 and 9. The youngest supports Villa but isn't really that interested.
My 9 year old loves football and we have this ongoing battle....he supports Chelsea and Villa. Last night he was in bed and was listening to the football and as soon as we scored he ran downstairs celebrating.
I think good has overcome evil - the problem is that I genuinely think he is too embarrassed to say he supports Villa to people he meets.
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My old boy, who occasionally posts on here, apologised to me for his inheritance this morning. "It's a bit like the Johnny Cash song 'A Boy Named Sue'" was how he described it. I cordially accepted his apology and pointed out that he was quite right to do so as I've already had to apologise to my lad, who is four, numerous times as a result of passing on the Villa gene.
That said, he had his AVFC hat on as usual when I took him to playschool this morning. UTV!
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I've had to resort to telling my 7 year old daughter that Kate Middleton is a Villa fan to keep her interest!
I hadn't thought of that.Do you think Miranda is a Villa fan?
She's tall enough to play in central defence and would probably do a better job than Vlaar or Clark.
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I don't have kids.
I always dreamed of having a son as a villa fan. After tonight (and the past two seasons), I don't think villa is ever anything I will 'push' on any children I may or may not have in the future.
Why don't you do one? Aston Villa is bigger than a bad spell an horrific event, If I had a 100 kids I'd make sure everyone was claret and blue!
Why should he "do one"?
He's not gonna bring his kids up as Villa fans because of this? Suffering fuck were at rock bottom but we always gonna be Aston Villa.
If I ever have kids and they support villa I will be thrilled! I'm just not going to 'push it'. If they find villa, great, but I would want it to be organic and not something I pushed on them especially with it being something that can be more torture than pleasure.
Where's the problem?
I can't believe I am debating the parenting of kids I don't even have!
Edit. I took my new girlfriend to the pub to watch that tonight. We started going out in October and by the end she was encouraging me! Right until the end she was saying stuff like 'They might get a penalty or something', 'at least they can focus on the league now'....She's definitely a keeper!
I've got two boys and they don't give a shit about Villa (or any other team to be honest). They both played the game but now occupy their time with other interests. Their choice, I would never push them into liking something just because I do.
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Having problems motivating myself never mind the kids
This.
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My little girl (6) supports Charlton, and I take her a few times a year.
Obviously, I've told her about Villa and taken her to see us play. My ex (not her mum) was Mancunian and tried to turn her into a Cockney Red. One day my daughter came home from school and asked me which was the nearest team to us and I told her it was Charlton
"I'll support them, dad. We can watch them together" she said. And she's not given up on it. She got so into football she got offerred a trial with Arsenal's girls team.
But even though it wasn't Villa, I was really proud she chose a team for the right reason.
Going to Charlton with her is a lot more pleasant than Villa Park right now!
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Lambert also has trouble motivating his girls
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My Lad still loves it.
He reenacted the Bradford game on his FIFA 13 and said to me
Exactly what my youngest does. He murdered Bradford last night on his DS. He thinks the real Villa loose every game
I feel sorry for him, living down here, having the piss taken out of him by the Chelsea and Arsenal supporting kids in his school. The only kids that don't tease him about Villa are the Millwall fans in his class. And that'll probably change by next week.
It's a shame that he suddenly "gets" Villa now, just as we're in the middle of a full blown crisis.
Fuck off Lerner and Lambert
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To be honest it's more the other way around at this point. I'm starting to have to drag my Dad who's supported Villa for nigh-on 30 years to games now.
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Anyone else having problems keeping their children interested? I've been taking my girls down for 7 years now,and I am now literally having to drag them down by their hair "Mommy they always lose"they say. Tonight was the final straw I'd stupidly guaranteed goals galore to be given the I told you so look. Anybody else struggling. To keep your offspring's interested and have they ever threatened to support another side?
If your taking your kids down the Villa I'm callling childline!
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My youngest is Villa through and through and he will have a terrible day today as his best mate is a Bradford fan, but will it deter him no way! His elder brothers are another thing entirely as they are both Bradford fans and will no doubt rib him mercilessly! Oh well at least he will get a trip to Wembley with the Bradford supporting half of the family!
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I started taking my oldest lad when he was 5. He gave up his season ticket at the age of 16 (we'd got a bit boring), and then when he was 18 he moved on to uni and 'fled the nest'. He's 26 now and still comes to games with me when he's home. He still supports Villa but now prefers lower/non-league football (in fact over Christmas our best game was watching Kiddie beat Dartford 5-1). At one point, watching more comedy defending against Wigan, we just looked at each other and laughed. A refreshing change from me venting my spleen! There's no better feeling than going to a match with your son
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We went for a pre match curry, and sat by a table where there was about 4 young kids sat (with adults obviously). As soon as they saw the claret and blue and the football tops etc, they all went mad, and started singing, Villa Villa Villa... Warmed the cockles of my heart.
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My eldest in 18 and for the very first time last night we stood & enjoyed a beer together before the game, i was reminiscing to myself about how proud i was of him and thinking about all the games we'd been together .... That was the highlight of the evening!! Ive also got a 7 year old who i've never encouraged to watch football ...i think over the next 80 years ( God willing ) he will enjoy way more Saturdays than i ever have !!
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My lad is 30 and he drags me down the Villa!!
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Thanks for the read, some lovely stories.
Not sure if this will work but this is my daughter at her first game -
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150886994755103&set=a.10150886989635103.771254.690735102&type=3&theater
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"My girls"
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150886991280103&set=a.10150886989635103.771254.690735102&type=3&theater
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supporting the Villa certainly keeps you grounded. In an era where everything is instant and on tap is hard to get the kids to appreciate that you have to work hard with time and effort to achieve something.
The easy root would be to be a glory hunter of which I will not tolerate or take any abuse from. I just wish my daughter had the slightest interest in football so fair play to the kids that keep going
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"My girls"
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150886991280103&set=a.10150886989635103.771254.690735102&type=3&theater
*like*
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I live in Sussex and have two boys 7 and 4. We are in the catchment area for Brighton (new Ground, cheap tickets, nearby, family friendly) and the glory fans go up to Chelsea (European Champions, top players, pernennial top 4). I have taken my 7 year old to (last season):
Fulham away (they score injury time equaliser)
QPR away (they score injury time equaliser with 10 men)
Arsenal away (we go 2-0 up and lose 3-2
and both boys to (this season):
Fulham away (abject late defeat)
Chelsea away (say no more but we stayed to the end)
Just one question, how the hell do i convince them to be Villa fans?
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I posted on this last week. My two nephews aged 9 and 10 who I converted from Brummie reds about two seasons ago are getting cheesed off with the stick they are picking up at school. After watching the Wigan and Spurs thrashings they were both "not available" to go to the Southampton game. However after watching the good first half on TV v West Brom they were both back on the phone to me excited about semi and Newcastle game. Not sure how they feel now after last night.
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I live in Sussex and have two boys 7 and 4. We are in the catchment area for Brighton (new Ground, cheap tickets, nearby, family friendly) and the glory fans go up to Chelsea (European Champions, top players, pernennial top 4). I have taken my 7 year old to (last season):
Fulham away (they score injury time equaliser)
QPR away (they score injury time equaliser with 10 men)
Arsenal away (we go 2-0 up and lose 3-2
and both boys to (this season):
Fulham away (abject late defeat)
Chelsea away (say no more but we stayed to the end)
Just one question, how the hell do i convince them to be Villa fans?
Bribery.
It is the same with my 2. I do think that when they see you happy and excited due to gootball they want to become part of it. The sad thing is it just doesn't happen very often.
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Hi All,
I have been reading this site for years but I have rarely been inclined to write. The recent trials and tribulations have cajoled me to dig deep and rejoin my brothers during one of our darkest hours. Posted to Cyprus I have had to suffer from afar but BFBS and local bars have meant that I have seen the majority of our games :-\.
I have two beautiful girls aged one and four. I swear I nearly ruined their Christmas after watching the Chelsea, Spurs and Bradford games. They nervously edged around me as I switched from anger, outrage and dispair - poor souls. I fear even at their tender age it may be a case of Pavlov's dogs, always associating Villa with negativity - flip me, I know I Do! When I get posted home I dare say I may drag the innocents along with me even though I love them dearly. UTV (Always darkest before the dawn).
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Don't have children but when I do, I'm not sure I will make them support Villa either. As long as they don't support Small Heath I don't think I'll be that bothered.
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Hi All,
I have been reading this site for years but I have rarely been inclined to write. The recent trials and tribulations have cajoled me to dig deep and rejoin my brothers during one of our darkest hours. Posted to Cyprus I have had to suffer from afar but BFBS and local bars have meant that I have seen the majority of our games :-\.
I have two beautiful girls aged one and four. I swear I nearly ruined their Christmas after watching the Chelsea, Spurs and Bradford games. They nervously edged around me as I switched from anger, outrage and dispair - poor souls. I fear even at their tender age it may be a case of Pavlov's dogs, always associating Villa with negativity - flip me, I know I Do! When I get posted home I dare say I may drag the innocents along with me even though I love them dearly. UTV (Always darkest before the dawn).
I know what you mean, Tayls, my two are the same age as yours. I've taken the more phlegmatic route though. For example, I was following the Chelsea game on the BBC website from afar, while we had guests in the front room with us at the time. When I saw the score tick over to 4-0 I just turned the laptop off, without a word. Everyone was oblivious to it. I didn't know the final score until about lunchtime of the following day. As a result, our kid is still unaware of the current state of things. It's a bit like Father Christmas. He'll find out for himself soon enough!
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Hi All,
I have been reading this site for years but I have rarely been inclined to write. The recent trials and tribulations have cajoled me to dig deep and rejoin my brothers during one of our darkest hours. Posted to Cyprus I have had to suffer from afar but BFBS and local bars have meant that I have seen the majority of our games :-\.
I have two beautiful girls aged one and four. I swear I nearly ruined their Christmas after watching the Chelsea, Spurs and Bradford games. They nervously edged around me as I switched from anger, outrage and dispair - poor souls. I fear even at their tender age it may be a case of Pavlov's dogs, always associating Villa with negativity - flip me, I know I Do! When I get posted home I dare say I may drag the innocents along with me even though I love them dearly. UTV (Always darkest before the dawn).
I know what you mean, Tayls, my two are the same age as yours. I've taken the more phlegmatic route though. For example, I was following the Chelsea game on the BBC website from afar, while we had guests in the front room with us at the time. When I saw the score tick over to 4-0 I just turned the laptop off, without a word. Everyone was oblivious to it. I didn't know the final score until about lunchtime of the following day. As a result, our kid is still unaware of the current state of things. It's a bit like Father Christmas. He'll find out for himself soon enough!
Christ on a stick buddy. The level of control you must have displayed would put a bomb disposal expert to shame. Talking of bombs, I would head down to your Doctor and have your underlying stress levels monitored :) Some of the stories have been heart-warming though. My first game at VP was against Everton. I remember Peter Withe heading against the crossbar from about 80yds. Mostly I spent the match staring in awe at the old Holte. What a sight that was.
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I agree that we shouldn't force our preferences onto our kids but, thankfully my son and daughter are both staunch Villa. I am blessed to have six grandchildren (five boys and one girl) three here in Ireland and three in Wolverhampton and if I were still living at home I would make sure that any of them that wanted to, would have the opportunity to sample the atmosphere that only Villa Park can generate; and I have every confidence that my kids will do their best to keep the tradition going. At the moment only the eldest (eight) has experienced matchday. Whatever their persuation they will be supported in their choices and the only thing I ask in return is that they realise and respect just exactly what Aston Villa means to Grandad.
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Just picked my lad up from his football practice after school - he has been close to tears all day - after being teased all day by what felt like the whole school .
He was angry , frustrated and most of all - heart broken.
These kids have never seen their teams play once - Fin is 9 , a season ticket holder from birth and has been to the away games of west ham, Fulham, man city and Bradford alone this season .
He got into trouble with his teacher today because his work was unusually sloppy - as he couldn't concentrate.
That's how embarrassing , inept and gutless performances affect the fans - the players wouldn't give a toss though.
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If if wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to a match, he told me he's really happy and proud to support Villa but they are rubbish and they are going down. I suspect he's correct.
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The problem over here is that the so called IOM Premier League is really on a par with pub football, played on little more than school pitches, so it's not like I could even get the kids interested in watching a decent lower division side.
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If my two support another team then they are out of the door! Actually I'll probably waiver if it is Brentford but not for any other of the bloody West London teams. Even Fulham.
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I truly hope that the children of anyone who comes out with such complete bollocks as "If my kids dare to support anyone other than Villa then they are out of the door!" become utter little shits and decide to support West Brom or Small Heath just to annoy you.
Obviously most people who say this sort of bullshit don't actually mean it, and anyone that does has lost all sense of perspective and should never be allowed to have kids in the first place.
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I truly hope that the children of anyone who comes out with such complete bollocks as "If my kids dare to support anyone other than Villa then they are out of the door!" become utter little shits and decide to support West Brom or Small Heath just to annoy you.
Obviously most people who say this sort of bullshit don't actually mean it, and anyone that does has lost all sense of perspective and should never be allowed to have kids in the first place.
Oh for God's sake. It was a flippant remark.
"Should never be allowed to have kids in the first place." Are you for real?
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Did you miss the bit where I said "Obviously most people who say this bullshit don't actually mean it"?
And how come you are allowed to make flippant remarks which appear to make it look like you've lost all sense of perspective but I'm not?
Ironic that.
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My daughters now 18, she's been going to watch the Villa with me since she was 7, she was close to tears leaving Valley Parade, and again on tuesday night. She'll never give up on them and she'd kill me if I went without her.
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My 4 kids aged from 33 to 16 have all been brought up to be Villa supporters in the same way that I was i.e. This is what you are by birth for better or worse and there's nothing you can do to change it, end of story. Accept the fact that there will be highs and deep lows like the rest of your life and enjoy the highs whilst remaining proud to support the club that represents where you come from during the lows
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Did you miss the bit where I said "Obviously most people who say this bullshit don't actually mean it"?
And how come you are allowed to make flippant remarks which appear to make it look like you've lost all sense of perspective but I'm not?
Ironic that.
[/quotDid you miss the bit where I said "Obviously most people who say this bullshit don't actually mean it"?
And how come you are allowed to make flippant remarks which appear to make it look like you've lost all sense of perspective but I'm not?
Ironic that.
Pobably because my flippant remarks weren't an unprovoked personal attack. Plenty of other flippant/"bullshit" remarks on here and the other games thread for you to comment on.
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"My Girls ... mad at me"
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Hi All,
I have been reading this site for years but I have rarely been inclined to write. The recent trials and tribulations have cajoled me to dig deep and rejoin my brothers during one of our darkest hours. Posted to Cyprus I have had to suffer from afar but BFBS and local bars have meant that I have seen the majority of our games :-\.
I have two beautiful girls aged one and four. I swear I nearly ruined their Christmas after watching the Chelsea, Spurs and Bradford games. They nervously edged around me as I switched from anger, outrage and dispair - poor souls. I fear even at their tender age it may be a case of Pavlov's dogs, always associating Villa with negativity - flip me, I know I Do! When I get posted home I dare say I may drag the innocents along with me even though I love them dearly. UTV (Always darkest before the dawn).
I know what you mean, Tayls, my two are the same age as yours. I've taken the more phlegmatic route though. For example, I was following the Chelsea game on the BBC website from afar, while we had guests in the front room with us at the time. When I saw the score tick over to 4-0 I just turned the laptop off, without a word. Everyone was oblivious to it. I didn't know the final score until about lunchtime of the following day. As a result, our kid is still unaware of the current state of things. It's a bit like Father Christmas. He'll find out for himself soon enough!
Christ on a stick buddy. The level of control you must have displayed would put a bomb disposal expert to shame. Talking of bombs, I would head down to your Doctor and have your underlying stress levels monitored :) Some of the stories have been heart-warming though. My first game at VP was against Everton. I remember Peter Withe heading against the crossbar from about 80yds. Mostly I spent the match staring in awe at the old Holte. What a sight that was.
Ha ha! Mate, I've got two young kids, my underlying stress levels must be through the roof by default! As I'm sure you can well appreciate!
To be fair, I manage to remain calm, to a degree, only if I watch a result come in in text format. A bit like following the goals going in on teletext in the past. If I'm actually watching the match it's a completely different matter and perspective tends to go out the window. It's been years since I had a season ticket, but when I think about the poor souls who are going down there week in, week out at the moment...well, my heart goes out to them. It must be really hard work at the moment and I imagine many a weekend has been ruined of late.
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I'd love my little one to be a Villan when he/she is born, however, he's with a wide who is an ardent Blade and living a couple of miles from Bramall Lane means I'm going to lose. Which is fine.
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I truly hope that the children of anyone who comes out with such complete bollocks as "If my kids dare to support anyone other than Villa then they are out of the door!" become utter little shits and decide to support West Brom or Small Heath just to annoy you.
Obviously most people who say this sort of bullshit don't actually mean it, and anyone that does has lost all sense of perspective and should never be allowed to have kids in the first place.
If I still lived in the Midlands and my kids decided to support another of the local teams I'd be disappointed but, as long as they weren't doing it just to spite me, would try and accept it on the basis they did it for the right reasons. Yes even the Blues though God help them if they did. I really admire Greenwich Villan's daughter for choosing her local team in Charlton. That's a proper football fan whoever you support, and he should be proud of her. There's a big difference between that and your sprog deciding to be a glory-hunter.
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
It's inevitable as kids get older they do less with their parents and more with their mates, girlfriends etc. It's therefore, in my view, important to have things that you can do together. Of course, it doesn't have to be football but in our case it's just the way things have developed.
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
Amen.
Despite the utter shittery of this season, i've enjoyed taking my Son down there and watching him get into it and cheer them on.
The one bright spot of a dismal campaign.
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
Amen.
Despite the utter shittery of this season, i've enjoyed taking my Son down there and watching him get into it and cheer them on.
The one bright spot of a dismal campaign.
Yep there's nothing better than celebrating a goal with son or singing away and turning and seeing your lad singing his heart out too.
This season I've looked at him a few times and felt guilty, apparently I kept saying sorry to him on Tuesday night on the way home :(
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
Amen.
Despite the utter shittery of this season, i've enjoyed taking my Son down there and watching him get into it and cheer them on.
The one bright spot of a dismal campaign.
Yep there's nothing better than celebrating a goal with son or singing away and turning and seeing your lad singing his heart out too.
This season I've looked at him a few times and felt guilty, apparently I kept saying sorry to him on Tuesday night on the way home :(
Thing is MON, it's not so bad when they're really young, they enjoy the occasion more than anything.
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
Amen.
Despite the utter shittery of this season, i've enjoyed taking my Son down there and watching him get into it and cheer them on.
The one bright spot of a dismal campaign.
Yep there's nothing better than celebrating a goal with son or singing away and turning and seeing your lad singing his heart out too.
This season I've looked at him a few times and felt guilty, apparently I kept saying sorry to him on Tuesday night on the way home :(
Thing is MON, it's not so bad when they're really young, they enjoy the occasion more than anything.
Yeah although I do remember taking my nephew to a game when he was 4 maybe 5 he enjoyed a burger and loved watching the mascot (this is before the 3 of them appeared) so much so he cried for 45 minutes till it reappeared for half time.
My boy is 13 now and very good player as well so its more to do with the football now but your right it's lovely when they are younger and just enjoying the drama of it all.
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If I ever have kids, I'll never pressure them into following Villa, but I'll certainly make it hard for them to support anyone else. Living in the North East, I couldn't argue if they wanted to support a local team, assuming I still live here, if / when I have kids (that said I'd have great difficulty stomaching it, if they decided to follow Newcastle). I would however take them to Villa Park at the first opportunity, and make sure they understand that being a Villa fan is part of our family history. They'd learn that when they get together with my side of the family, the first topic of conversation will be, how the Villa are getting on. They'll learn that all their uncles and cousins go to the games all the time, and that if they wanted they could too.
I would also do anything possible to avoid them becoming 'Glory Hunters'. I'd really struggle buying them red shirts / merchandise, no matter how much they begged or cried for it too! It does sound childish to say that, and to be honest I hope I never get put in that situation, but it would be a real dilemma.
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One of the first things I did for my 2 was to get a paver with their names on it outside The Trinity, very close to where the McGregor statue is now.
Every time we go to Villa Park we spend half an hour trying to find their stone. They love the thought of their names being at Villa Park
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One of the first things I did for my 2 was to get a paver with their names on it outside The Trinity, very close to where the McGregor statue is now.
Every time we go to Villa Park we spend half an hour trying to find their stone. They love the thought of their names being at Villa Park
I did that when my daughter was born and gave her the middle name Aston.
She asked ifa few years ago whether the paver can be removed and if her brother would like her middle name instead.
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I live in Sussex and have two boys 7 and 4. We are in the catchment area for Brighton (new Ground, cheap tickets, nearby, family friendly) and the glory fans go up to Chelsea (European Champions, top players, pernennial top 4). I have taken my 7 year old to (last season):
Fulham away (they score injury time equaliser)
QPR away (they score injury time equaliser with 10 men)
Arsenal away (we go 2-0 up and lose 3-2
and both boys to (this season):
Fulham away (abject late defeat)
Chelsea away (say no more but we stayed to the end)
Just one question, how the hell do i convince them to be Villa fans?
All three of my kids were born in Eastbourne and we lived in Sussex for several years before heading to Aus and NZ for 13 years. We've now come back to the UK and are moving to Worcester so we've already got back into the swing of things and been to a number of games this season. I even got myself a half-season ticket and, whilst the fare on offer is crushingly depressing at present, I still get a buzz every time I go to watch the Villa as do the kids. That feeling has usually well-and-truly dissipated by the end of the game, but we pick ourselves up and go again! ;)
Despite our distance from B6 during my kids' formative years and our "patchiness" over the last 20-odd years (although admittedly we were a lot better when my kids were growing up than we are now!) there was never any question they would be Villa through-and-through. They're now 22, 20 and 18 and if you cut them in half, they bleed claret-and-blue!
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I'm trying to shield my kids from the worst of it. The worst of it being the way I behave after we've had a bad result.
My littlest wore his Villa kit to bed last night. It made me feel happy and sad at the same time.
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I blame my Dad for getting my involved with Villa, if he hadn't surely I wouldn't be as miserable and as pissed off as I am now. FFS. Thanks, Dad. Thanks for nothing.
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I'm trying to shield my kids from the worst of it. The worst of it being the way I behave after we've had a bad result.
My littlest wore his Villa kit to bed last night. It made me feel happy and sad at the same time.
I can empathise with that. My lad wearing his Villa hat to playschool elicits the same response.
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I've got to the point now where I'm beginning to think my 10 year old son goes to the match to indulge ME these days. He's either very thick skinned about it or he has just accepted that supporting Villa just inevitably means being disappointed in the end. I asked him yesterday morning if he was OK and he just said 'yeah why not' in an almost resigned kind of way.
I've subjected him to a life of misery!
We do have another common bond now though....the worst result in both our lifetimes.
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I bought my son his first season ticket when he was six years old and we haven't missed many games in the 12 years since - it's the one thing we've always done together. He's far more passionate about the club than I ever was, and if I'm honest, he's the only reason I've bothered renewing in recent years.
It's been a wonderful way to watch him grow up though. Watching him laugh when we won, and analyse and search for the reasons when we lost. I'd hate to calculate the number of hours we've passed discussing what went wrong on the way back from the game - me trying to keep his head up after yet another abject performance and so on....
But, I had a tear in my eye the other night at the final whistle when I turned to see him booing our players off the pitch. I thought son, you're a man now and you can bloody well suffer like the rest of us.
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Our 15 year-old wears my old Mita Copiers, AST Computers and Müller shirts for lounging around the house. My wife wears an old Rover top sometimes(it's like a dress on her)
I was going to get the glow-in-the-dark one for all of us (I wear them for cycling) but they both said, nah! just get yourself one.
I think they are afraid of getting too far in and ending up depressed like me.
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
Amen.
Despite the utter shittery of this season, i've enjoyed taking my Son down there and watching him get into it and cheer them on.
The one bright spot of a dismal campaign.
Yep there's nothing better than celebrating a goal with son or singing away and turning and seeing your lad singing his heart out too.
This season I've looked at him a few times and felt guilty, apparently I kept saying sorry to him on Tuesday night on the way home :(
Thing is MON, it's not so bad when they're really young, they enjoy the occasion more than anything.
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Did you miss the bit where I said "Obviously most people who say this bullshit don't actually mean it"?
And how come you are allowed to make flippant remarks which appear to make it look like you've lost all sense of perspective but I'm not?
Ironic that.
[/quotDid you miss the bit where I said "Obviously most people who say this bullshit don't actually mean it"?
And how come you are allowed to make flippant remarks which appear to make it look like you've lost all sense of perspective but I'm not?
Ironic that.
Pobably because my flippant remarks weren't an unprovoked personal attack. Plenty of other flippant/"bullshit" remarks on here and the other games thread for you to comment on.
How could it be an unprovoked personal attack? I was only having a pop at those who truly believe that they really would chuck their kids out if they supported another club, you said that in your case it was a flippant remark and therefore you wouldn't really do that.
Ergo, the post wasn't aimed at you and therefore could not be a personal attack on you could it?
Sensitive soul aren't you?
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
It's inevitable as kids get older they do less with their parents and more with their mates, girlfriends etc. It's therefore, in my view, important to have things that you can do together. Of course, it doesn't have to be football but in our case it's just the way things have developed.
I did just that Chris, but in the end peer pressure at school and, almost inevitably, a chance to annoy me immensely meant that Coops Jnr decided against being a Villan and chose the stripey darkside.
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No. Not really. Not taken offence at any other post before. I assumed that when you said "I truly hope that the children of anyone who comes out with such complete bollocks as "If my kids dare to support anyone other than Villa then they are out of the door!" become utter little shits and decide to support West Brom or Small Heath just to annoy you", which both quoted me and appeared below my comment was in fact aimed at me.
How stupid of me. Anway round here it's Chelsea I worry about. While the Albion would be a strange one I could live with it.
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Bringing my sons to the Villa was something I looked forward from the moment they were born. My eldest, who's 18, loves Villa as much as I do and even though he's off to Uni in September I know he will always be a Villa fan wherever he settles. The youngest one has no interest in football, which is his choice.
I've had some of the best times in my life following the Villa & nights like last Tuesday, whilst painful, won't stop me. I've seen us win things other clubs / fans dream about; the only problem is that they were so long ago it seems like a dream.
UTV
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No. Not really. Not taken offence at any other post before.
And yet you do take offence at a flippant reply to your flippant remark?
Can't have it both ways, either you meant what you said, in which case I despair, or it was a flippant remark in which case it was pretty obvious I was replying in kind.
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Not sure who the sensitive one is here.
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Not me, it's the internet, I take very little on here in any way seriously.
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My grandson, whos eight and has a season ticket, has missed the last two premier home games because he didn't want to go to see them lose again! How can you answer that, when both me and my son are so depressed at the state of our once great club! To cap it all I watched Arsenal the other night and drooled over that second half performance. The truth is that I don't enjoy watching us anymore, the atmosphere and the occasion is great but the meal is rubbish.
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My lad is now 14 and I took him to his first game when 3. He was a seaon ticket holder for 6 years travelling with us old timers on the 7 hour round trip from Dorset and to many away games. I have recently moved further west in Dorset and decided not to renew either of our season tickets. We are now 'part timers' but still make the trip up five or six times a season. Obviously with no local premiership team, all his friends support the usual suspects, although quite a few are season ticket holders at Yeovil. He wears his Villa shirt with pride and no matter how s..t we are, I know he will always support the Villa.
We came up to the game on Tuesday and had a terrible journey back in the snow not getting back until 3AM. The poor lad was knackered for school the next morning and then had to endure plenty of piss taking. Despite all this, it still didn't deter him from wearing his Villa shirt to football training last night. I think he realises that Villa are a proper club with proper supports who stick with the team whatever.
As an aside, I met three Villa fans in a petrol station at what must have been 2AM on Wednesday morning trying to make there way back through the snow to Weymouth. The roads were absolutely atrocious and many closed. Hopefully they made it home safely!
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My grandson, whos eight and has a season ticket, has missed the last two premier home games because he didn't want to go to see them lose again! How can you answer that, when both me and my son are so depressed at the state of our once great club! To cap it all I watched Arsenal the other night and drooled over that second half performance. The truth is that I don't enjoy watching us anymore, the atmosphere and the occasion is great but the meal is rubbish.
He'll (probably) be back. believe it or not we are not the only club who are shite. 95% of football clubs are shite, very few have sustained success or even a sustained spell at the top end of their respective part of the pyramid. Maybe some of our supporters could take a little step back at these awful times and remember that.
More difficult for the nippers of course, piss-taking at school, a weekend ruined because Dad insists on taking them to the Factory of Sadness etc, but the thing to tell them is to stick with it, we'll be back, we'll have great wins again, and they will be all the sweeter for the bad times.
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I took my five year old for his Villa debut against Everton when we lost 1-3 and had Clarke sent off earlier this season. It was a memorable trip.
Anyway, terrible performance, and his conclusion after ten minutes when we were two down, was something along the lines of "Villa can't win, because they are not big enough".....
Quite a lot of truth in there i think.
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No. Not really. Not taken offence at any other post before. I assumed that when you said "I truly hope that the children of anyone who comes out with such complete bollocks as "If my kids dare to support anyone other than Villa then they are out of the door!" become utter little shits and decide to support West Brom or Small Heath just to annoy you", which both quoted me and appeared below my comment was in fact aimed at me.
How stupid of me. Anway round here it's Chelsea I worry about. While the Albion would be a strange one I could live with it.
Chelsea are a big problem for me as well :) So far I have kept him on the rightous path...... where are you?
After aforementioned debacle against Everton :
"daddy, I was born in Chelsea, all my friends support Chelsea, they always win, so why do I support Villa?" - its going to be a battle to keep him on the righteous path.
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No. Not really. Not taken offence at any other post before. I assumed that when you said "I truly hope that the children of anyone who comes out with such complete bollocks as "If my kids dare to support anyone other than Villa then they are out of the door!" become utter little shits and decide to support West Brom or Small Heath just to annoy you", which both quoted me and appeared below my comment was in fact aimed at me.
How stupid of me. Anway round here it's Chelsea I worry about. While the Albion would be a strange one I could live with it.
Chelsea are a big problem for me as well :) So far I have kept him on the rightous path...... where are you?
After aforementioned debacle against Everton :
"daddy, I was born in Chelsea, all my friends support Chelsea, they always win, so why do I support Villa?" - its going to be a battle to keep him on the righteous path.
South Ealing. In theory Brentford territory but all the kids seem to be in Chelsea tops. They saw the league table on the TV on saturday before I could turn over. I think they were a little shocked.
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Newcastle will be my nine year old's fourth game. Her record so far is three losses and three managers. She already has a resigned expectation that we will lose and says she doesn't like second halves. I told her she doesn't have to come to the game but she says she wants to. I think she realises its something I am into and she wants to take part, even although she finds it pretty boring.
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All this let them support who they want stuff means that you miss out on the shared experience of following the same team. As my kids have got older and started living their own lives the Villa is the one thing that we always still do together, along with my brother and his kids.
It's inevitable as kids get older they do less with their parents and more with their mates, girlfriends etc. It's therefore, in my view, important to have things that you can do together. Of course, it doesn't have to be football but in our case it's just the way things have developed.
It's a fair point and I have to say some of my most treasured memories of my late father and grandparents are of going to games with them from the age of 6 onwards, especially the old third division away days when I was about 10 and the trip to Rotterdam with my Dad and brother. In my case, since I live on the other side of Europe, the opportunities to bond with and share experiences with my kids around Villa would be limited anyway. I'd hope I can find other ways of bonding with them.
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I live in Dundee and have 2 girls 7 & 4. My wife is a DUFC supporter. The oldest first game will be a Junior game (Blue Square level), hopefully next month so that if they lose interest i havn't wasted any money at the gate.
The oldest is keen on football, no choice really, and is quite happy wearing Villa or DUFC colors, BUT, she knows on a saturday by either my wifes or mine moods if the results are good or bad, and has said "Not sure if I want to be a football fan".
At the moment she is wearing the claret & blue mohican type hat and loves it.
I do wonder if I want to put her through what i have gone through, and going through at the moment with being a Villa fan.
love the stories though boys and girls,